Thank you. And we're back with Everything Changed in Avatar The Last Airbender rewatch podcast, Netflix edition. Episodes two and potentially three, but definitely two, Warriors and Omashu. Carl, what is good? I don't know. I like some of the stuff in these episodes. What's good with you? We're not getting into the episodes yet. Are you all right? I'm good. All is well. over here. How are you? You just bitched at me for like 45 minutes. Now say something nice about yourself, Katie.
Well, I didn't bitch about myself. I have lots of nice things to say. Yeah, I'll get over here as well. Busy and good and fun. I had a fun night out on Friday night at a new club in Chicago where I danced the night away to some disco. So I'm feeling good. Disco never dies. Disco never dies. it's near dead but yeah no yeah you can't it's like it's like a movie villain monster you can't quite ever really kill it at the end of the movie it always comes back and claws out of its crate
It does. It does. And then it just grows and grows, you know, as more and more white girls put on sparkles and head into the city to drink champagne and dance with their friends. all right so let's just hop right in i want to start with a bone to pick with you i'm a little upset with you i think that you let your watch of all the episodes at once cloud your judgment on the first episode
How so? I think that you, and honestly, I kind of have a bone to pick with myself. I want to say that I've done a 180 on Sokka. I think he's everything of the sort. I think he's carrying the show on his shoulders, but I did not think that in the first episode.
Okay. Well, you may be right. I don't know. I'm trying to think back to what Sokka did in the first episode. I don't know. I may have let future episodes... affect my judgment i think you did um but also i think that you're still wrong about katara i think she's lovely
Really? Even after watching, I mean, we'll do two and then three, maybe split them into separate episodes. But even after watching two and three, you still like Katara? I do. I think she's missing a little spice, but not as much as you... I think you're dead wrong, but that's fine. Okay. Well, let's talk about the Warriors. You're allowed to be wrong. Okay, Carl, give us like a five sentence synopsis of the Warriors or Warriors. Sorry. Five sentences. Okay.
And Katara and Sokka need to learn more about the Avatar State, so they go to Kyoshi Island. Zuko needs to track down the Avatar, so he goes to a Fire Nation port and meets Zhao. Sokka and Suki train together, even though there's nothing between them. There's no character. There's nowhere for the characters to go. ang contacts kyoshi and learns about the um the incoming attack on the northern water tribe and how he has to get there quick and zuko and
Zhao both go to Kiyoshi Island and they get into a bit of a bit of a tiff with each other about miscommunication. Boom. Five sentences. Well, yes, but then like. they attack kiyoshi island and the kiyoshi warriors are fighting them and then for some reason ang takes on the Well, Katie, I would have loved to add more detail, but you gave me a specific amount of sentences. I had to do a lot of condensing there, you see. You did. You understood the assignment, but I'm going to fill in the gaps.
Aang senses that there's danger. Well, Kyoshi tells him that there's danger right there on Kyoshi Island at the moment. And he kind of goes into the Avatar state and takes on the visage and powers of Avatar Kyoshi. goes and saves kiyoshi island and all its people from the fire benders um which is really really strange and then at the end they're like wow we need to really go to the northern southern
Water? Northern Water Tribe? Where are they headed? Oh, Jesus Christ. They're going from the south to the north, Katie. They're going from the south to the north. They're going to the Northern Water Tribe. to you know help are you even a fan of the show who are you who is who am i podcasting with here that's the joy of it is i haven't seen it as much as you um
So they're headed to the Northern Water Tribe. And you're like, oh, maybe Suki's going to go with them. Because the whole thing is her, you know, she's never left the island. Like, we should be out there fighting for justice or whatever the hell. But she doesn't go. she stays behind no and that's and that let's talk about that for a bit um that's one of like my biggest disappointments with this episode
It's very Suki-focused, and the epic character that they introduce for the series of Suki's mom, who does nothing. She's a set-up character without a payoff, right? She's like, we don't leave the island. you don't understand you're too naive suki you don't understand these people from the outside are coming here and you you want to help them because it's the right thing to do but it could be it could backfire on us and then at the end of the episode nothing happens
Like you said, I kind of assumed like, oh, Suki would go with them. Or what I assumed was in the original animated show, when they revisit Omashu in season, or not Omashu, when they revisit Kiyoshi Island in season two. They find out that Suki and the rest of the Kyoshi warriors were inspired by them and they left to go and join the war. And I thought that we'd get a scene after the gang left the island where Suki's like, you know, mom, I'm going to go and join the war.
yeah and her mom would would encourage her but no yeah maybe that scene is coming up later in the season um i hope that this isn't the last that we see of suki because i feel like that would be a really missed opportunity they spent all episode building this up
and I really found myself caring about her. I really liked the actress who played Suki, and I liked the romantic tension between her and Sokka. It worked for me. I... completely disagree i think in the original show they did something um really good really clever which was like it's really one scene where she's fighting
Zuko. We should have a segment on this show called like the one scene, the microcosm scene of why the shows are different because we had the Zuko one in the first episode. Yeah, that's a good idea actually. Yeah, this is like Sokka and Suki. In the animated show, when they're training together...
Sokka is like learning the skills and he beats Suki. She's like, you know, you're not going to learn this all in one day. Here, let's spar together. And he beats her and he bests her. And it turns out, you know, Suki's like, yeah, I let you do that on purpose to make you feel better. And we learn in that one scene, just so quickly, that there's more to Suki than what was originally proposed to us, which is that she's a warrior and she's a woman and whatever.
There's more to her. She is like this character we've come to know, Sokka. She's arrogant and prideful. And then we can kind of transpose all of Sokka's characteristics, not all of them, but a lot of them onto her just subconsciously because she's deeper than what we were first led to believe. And in this show...
There's really no moment like that because there's no moment of Sokka being humbled by her and having to learn and having his worldview challenged. There's fewer places for the characters to go.
weaving their arc in this episode it's just kind of like Sokka like Suki and Suki for some reason I didn't understand this she's like horny as hell even though there are on her island okay so i feel i agree with you like it still worked for me i wasn't as annoyed by it i think that if you hadn't watched the original you would be fine with it but i think that the big thing missing here
is Sokka's sexism. And like you said it perfectly, his worldview isn't really challenged at all. And like, I feel like they've tried to replace his sexism in the series with his like mentality of like, I have to be a warrior like my dad. I have to be a warrior like my dad.
But he had that in the animated show as well. He did, but they've amplified that and they've gotten rid of the sexism aspect, which is kind of annoying because I think that they kind of go hand in hand in this world, or they're supposed to.
And then we learned that actually there are all kinds of ways to be a warrior. Gender is irrelevant in terms of like having the warrior spirit and all that. But that was a lot of the, I don't even want to say sexual tension because these are like children, like that is disgusting.
romantic tension i suppose is that suki challenges his world view and it kind of shakes him to his core and makes him like reevaluate everything and like there's nothing more impressionable than that um that is obviously missing here but i still liked them like i thought they were still really cute i was weirded out with her long
gaze at his nude chest it was so long carl that i thought he was like naked completely and i was like weird like again who is the audience here and then they show us that really it's just just you know waist up And then I'm thinking, oh, my God, are there is this like a women only island? And then I see that. No, it is not. I'm just weird. I'm confused about the nature of this island. That would have been a fun.
change that they that easily could have been made like kiyoshi island was like a training center for women warriors it was like a um uh an abbey for like none like not nuns but people who women who chose to devote their life and then that would have made sense that her mother was like don't leave the island don't join distracted yep yes don't like this boy because you've taken that would have been so compelling
And then it would have added even that layer of like, like forbiddenness of their, their like love, you know, or not their love, but their like for each other. And like, that would have been even more romantic. Yeah. And then it would also have challenged Suki's worldview as well. Like I would have loved. Oh my God. Yeah, that's great. I would have loved to have, have that had been an element and like, maybe they were taught that like.
men were dangerous or men were bad. Like maybe there's something about that where, you know, or they're just a distraction. They're useless. I don't know. Something negative about men. and then suki meets one that's actually really lovely and ang is really lovely and then she's like hold on maybe what i've been taught here isn't actually how everything is you know
Right. Yeah. My worldview is being challenged. Yeah, that would be great. I like how we're like, we're going to rewrite this fiction here. Yeah. Right. But Suki was taught that like her way of being a warrior was like exclusive to.
women like their style of fighting only women could do. And then Sokka is able to do it and, and, and beat her and not like beat her, but you know, get a move over on her like in the original show and now her worldview is challenged as well and oh no okay i'm gonna leave the island and i'm taking some people with me and
that would have been great you're right that was that was we're we're good that was pretty good right there yeah i don't really know what happened in the writer's room i mean but the thing is like it's the show is fine like it is serviceable but it is There are so many missed opportunities. And again, I just, there are moments where I'm like, what's the audience? Who is this for? Like that scene with her like leering at his body. I was like, this is.
really weird and honestly if the genders were reversed this would be disgusting oh yeah 100 and i think you i think you hit the nail on the head like the original show is a timeless classic you know i would say a masterpiece And this show is fine. And you also said, if I hadn't seen the original, this would have been fine. I agree. But I have seen the original and it's fucking great. And it does so much with so little. And now you have all of this.
additional stuff. And it really adds nothing. You have all this budget and all this guaranteed audience and all this creative capital that you can mine into. Like they can add things from later seasons or other lore. And yeah, it just it's like it doesn't add anything to the show ever or the original. It doesn't doesn't. I don't know. It feels it's giving lazy. It's giving lazy.
creatively lazy and i think that like we are actually in a very creatively lazy like culture right now um it's why we continuously see remakes upon remakes upon remakes every single remake is worse and worse and more and more watered down um there's a rare occasion where a remake will be quite good or a spin-off will be quite good but it is
and far between. And normally it happens because they've really like twisted something or they've totally set something um in like a whole different realm or a different world that's the only way that it works and it is interesting the writing continues to be like my biggest problem and i think that the actors i was ragging on the actors in episode one mostly because of grand grand and i saw somebody on a reddit thread um like standing for grand grand and i want to know who you are
Reveal yourself. You're wrong. Grand Grand was horrendous. I think you're unfamiliar with the nature of Reddit, Katie, because that very much sounds like a troll job. It had to happen. But a couple other people came out to agree. There's a lot of trolls on Reddit, Katie. Wow.
who posted that uh you know troll troll master eight eight seven is that did you check the username by any chance troll master no i might still have it up let me have a look but it was it was so bad grand grand and you know every episode grand grand's not in is an episode that i like you know like that set the bar for me extremely low all right we we've got we've got suki do you have anything else to add about suki about suki um
Not really. I liked her. Okay. Well, they added three new characters to this episode. So Suki was the first one. Let's talk Zhao. What did you think about... xiao daddy xiao zaddy xiao if you will um xiao um i liked him a lot in the animated series uh he was just like the worst you know um and i we don't we don't get like a ton with him in this episode but but i like him you know you could tell right away he's like a villain of the villain um he was fine You? You know, I...
Since we've both seen episode three, I guess I can expand on this a little bit more. So when I first saw the show, I was like, okay, it was sort of my first, the first change that I... enjoyed um or that i saw potential in rather like oh xiao and zuko have to work together and xiao is kind of like an underling i liked i like the original show better where he's like
he serves as an example of what suko is to the fire nation which is like a disgraced prince who no one respects and is on a fool's errand to capture And Zhao treats him as such. But this is an interesting change where it's like, oh, they're going to have to work together. And, you know, not to anyone's surprise that that doesn't affect anything or change anything later in the season.
spoil that a little bit but again no hold on this but again you've just described another big missed opportunity i really think that they should have stuck with the original attitude that zhao has towards zuko because it builds empathy for us for zuko that's true that's true um but so far i don't feel interesting things with someone betraying zuko behind his back um someone who is working with him
betraying him behind his back. There's something you could do there. I see the potential in that idea. I agree with you. It's really important to make Zuko sympathetic so far as an antagonist is concerned. But I see the potential in this idea. But it also makes me feel like Zuko's now very stupid. Like, why would you try, like, you know, why would you go, why would you partner up with somebody if you're Zuko?
Because he needs the intel. He doesn't have the resources that Zhao does. The dynamic that they need to foster, and now Zhao knows because he got fed intel from Zuko's ship, that the Avatar is out there. So Zuko kind of has to work with him. Otherwise, Zhao is going to spill the beans about the Avatar. So it makes sense. Wouldn't you assume that he's going to no matter what? Like, I guess I would just be like, well, now, you know, now it's out there. All right. The race is on. Yeah.
i don't know you got to take that i can see i can see either way i can see either way yeah so yeah at the end of the episode zhao sends somebody mysterious letter to let them know that the avatar has returned So, you know, now we're going to get another player in the game, as it were. So we've got Suki, we've got Zhao, and then who's the third person we're introduced to? Avatar, Kiyoshi.
Madame Kiyoshi. Carl, I know you've got strong opinions on this, so I'm just going to let you go for it. What did you think of the long tête-à-tête that Aang and Avatar Kiyoshi had in her... Shrine. So they got Kyoshi wrong. They got the fan version of Kyoshi correct. She's very angry at Aang for no reason at all.
I don't i don't know why it's because they saw the memes of kiyoshi you know i sent you one this week of uh it's like a spongebob meme where plankton is controlling spongebob it's kiyoshi she's about to you you put a muzzle on appa and she's like can fight but in the show you muzzled up oh can i just pause real quick okay i'm not going to say any names but somebody showed me this past week a tattoo that somebody that they know got of oppa on his bicep and it is the most
fuggliest thing I've ever seen in my life. It is like a photo realistic tattoo of Appa. And you'd think it would it's all the way. So it's like a half sleeve of Appa, by the way. So it's huge. You would think it would be like of his back where, you know, it has like.
cool stripe or something or like his face no it is like his teats like it's like the front like it's his teat area it's so weird what that's a bold choice it's really ugly and then the same oh i probably shouldn't say what other tattoos they have in case you know they're too identifiable but if you get a tattoo of oppa don't get it teat side okay
Get a different look. If you get a tattoo of Appa, folks out there in podcast land, you get whatever tattoo of Appa you want. Don't let Katie tell you what you can and can't do. You know what? You're right. You know, as many teats as you wish. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Hopefully that number is zero. You're going to get a sky bison.
on your body. I hope the number that you want is zero, but whatever. But you get the number that you truly want in your heart. And we'll leave that to you. Okay, back to Appa, i.e. Kyoshi.
okay kiyoshi um so she's bad like you said it goes on forever it just like keeps fucking going we get it he needs to go to the the northern water tribe okay gotcha and then it just keeps fucking going But then, then something truly bizarre happens where Aang becomes or inhabits or is inhabited by Kyoshi and goes and saves Kyoshi Island. And then later they explain it that an avatar can like inhabit another avatar when they're in the shrine of that avatar. What?
what did they explain that i don't remember that literally they said that i swear to god unless i made that up and that would be crazy i believe you but okay so instead of going to avatar roku's temple and ang him possessing uh ang on the winter solstice for a few seconds to allow him and his friends to escape instead it's kiyoshi on kiyoshi island
i get the thought process i get the um you know writer's room decision to have it be kiyoshi on kiyoshi island there's a impactful moment where suki sees kiyoshi and maybe um you know, in a, in a better written show, this would have been the, in the incident where Suki decides I need to join the war. I need to leave the Island. I'm inspired by, you know, my sort of a deity here to, to do that.
That doesn't happen. But I get it. I personally, and this isn't an objective criticism of the show. It's just what I feel is more impactful is for firebenders to see Avatar Roku.
for zhao to oh my god like a firebending avatar is here and not approving of what i'm doing like i think that's more impactful but i i get the choice can you remind me though why they even end up on kyoshi island was it just like a random stop they go there because ang in the previous episode ang had gone into the avatar state and they're like i guess they
find information that kiyoshi island's nearby and they're like maybe we can learn about the avatar state there so that i don't accidentally kill you guys again okay okay fine fine but i agree with you i think i think the roku bit would have been way better i think that the kiyoshi bit happened because like you said like it's a fan favorite um it's a meme and it's girl power yes which
Which this episode, if they had done it correctly, you could have had, if they had done this episode like the original show, it would have been an actually, like it's very surface level girl power. Here's a girl who is powerful. Instead of, here's a dynamic character who you like, Suki, who's done really well and done justice.
Here's a bunch of girls who are fighting against the Fire Nation. You know, it's almost like reverse girl power. It's like the girls on this island who are the warriors weren't strong enough to fight off the firebenders. So a man, a woman. It's Avatar Aang, but Kiyoshi is inhabiting his body. So a man has to come and say that. It's almost reverse girl power if you think about it. Are you saying that a man dressed as a woman came in to save the day?
Save all the women. Katie, Katie, Katie. Oh, no. That's not what I'm saying, Katie. I'm saying respect trans people, support Ukraine. Oh, my God. But yes, I agree. But that is like a lot of the problem, I think, with pandering to like the hashtag girl power shit. It's like it's either totally like you're missing the message, you're missing the mark, or it feels like a pat on the head.
and for me this I know that Kyoshi's like everyone's like favorite avatar because she's like a boss bitch this felt like a big pander that long scene where she's like giving ang the business like ang doesn't deserve to be given the business okay first of all he's a child secondly like he's seen everything and everyone he cared about like is now slaughtered like give the a break like give the little boy a break also in this show
It's not his fault. In the original animated show, it was. He literally ran away from his responsibility. But here it's not. It's just he took a break and happened to get caught up in a storm. Carl, he was clearing his head. I remember the show apparently forgot and thought that they were doing the original story at some point.
I thought that's another big miss. So yeah, we just robbed Aang of like his whole story arc, which we talked about in the first episode. This doesn't make sense. This whole conversation doesn't make sense. And I thought. Kiyoshi's story her backstory was different than what they expressed in this episode that she was like a like a maid or like a working like a servant girl for a wealthy family and then found out she was a bender or something.
Yeah, yeah, that's in this show. In the original show, I don't think that we get any backstory, but there are like graphic novels and stuff centered around Kyoshi, because like you said, she's a fan favorite. And I don't know. I'm just speaking from the original program. I haven't read any of those any of those such books. So maybe maybe in the in the graphic novel of Kyoshi, she's just a total bitch.
And so they did her justice here in the show. But yeah, in the original show, there's no backstory for it. But I don't mind that backstory. That's kind of fun. It's fine. Yeah. yeah okay so I'm just looking it up abandoned by her parents she barely survived as a homeless orphan until being rescued by Kelsang who became her surrogate father
A cow what? His name's Kelsang, some man who became her surrogate father. He rescued her. She was not recognized as Avatar until she was 16 and said her friend Yoon was declared the Avatar. Interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, I guess someone else was declared the Avatar. I wonder how that happened. I guess we'll have to read the graphic novel to find out. Okay, I want to say something about Kyoshi.
i have always i always loved that she had a different take on justice than a lot of the um people portray throughout the animated series like i always liked that she was more heavy-handed in her view of what it meant to be just and I feel like we kind of missed that here because we've not really been introduced to other avatars views or like even like other mentors views. I guess we get, what's his face? But barely.
yeah um no no no no ang's teacher yeah yeah we get his take on it and like we know that it's about balance and you know not harming anybody and whatever but like sometimes it isn't about that and what i always like about kyoshi she brought a different perspective i just don't think we get it here yeah she says something in the go ahead no go ahead
She says something in the series finale when Aang's like reconnecting with his past lives. And she says, only justice will bring peace. And that's her philosophy. Her being just angry and yelling at Aang and then taking over his body and fighting the firebenders, she does inhabit Aang in the original show.
um for a moment she doesn't fight she doesn't show up and kill all of the earthbenders or you know blast them back and show her power she shows up she goes yeah i killed that guy and i stand by why i did it yes okay that's what i'm remembering that whole scene where she explains to him her her brand of justice and why she enacted it that's what i'm remembering okay yes i loved that because i think but it only works in the season finale because we have to see that ang is so reticent to
show violence, that he is so anti-conflict throughout that at the end, he has to have his worldview challenged, even something like as important as being a nonviolent pacifist. you know some there is a time to be a pacifist but there is also a time where you have to you have to you know get involved and that might you know that might have a sacrifice to it that you don't like and that's your burden as the avatar like you have to carry that burden too right that's your responsibility
Yeah. Which is what Aang ran away from. And now he has to face, which works in the season finale. Yeah, I agree. You don't get that here. No, I don't even, does she like, they make such good use of time. in the animated show where it's like you know a message is delivered really quickly remember when ang like this episode kind of apes off of um the avatar roku episode i remember when he goes and talks to roku and roku's like look a comet's coming
You need to master all four elements by the end of the summer if the world is to maintain balance. If you don't, the world will be out of balance forever and no avatar can fix it. You got to go and do that. And it's like, I'm scared. I don't know what to do. And Roku's like, I know you can do this. Because you've done it before. And then, you know, we see that all of that is communicated in, I think, less than a minute of screen time. Maybe two minutes of screen time.
you get a sense of who roku is you get a sense of the dynamic between ang and roku it's like a mentor relationship but roku's a very calm measured guy he was an old man avatar he understood the job he's articulating to ang what he needs to do in a very concise but character uh influenced way kiyoshi and ang talk for about 27 minutes in this episode i i it's so i don't even know what she says she's like hey you got to get to the northern water tribe
she talks about that for like five minutes it's just such a bad use of time and i get that they needed to pad this episode out a little bit but i mean my god no they didn't no they didn't They have a ton of episodes to fit into a six-episode series. They didn't need to pad a single thing. At all. You can't just... They couldn't... Add any other episodes to this. So they did need to pad it out. They needed it to be.
you know, content, they needed it to be a certain length for content. And you can't like have 40 minutes on Kyoshi Island. And then the first five minutes of the next episode here, you need to stretch it out a little bit. it should have been 20 minutes on kyoshi island and 20 minutes in omashu this first episode of omashu it should have been the same episode
Especially with what happens between Katara or between Sokka and Suki and then Katara and Jed, which we'll get to in a second. Like that would have been a perfect episode for them both to have had this like thing. That brings up another good point with Roku. The mentorship relationship that Aang has with Roku is so important because it also shows us that not all firebenders are bad.
That is really important because right now we've only met evil firebenders. And the whole show is about the fact that we are all more complex than we seem. Most of us, anyway. another opportunity to show that and the fact that like ang is fighting the fire nation and the fire lord throughout the entire series but yet his mentor was a firebender like is from the fire nation like that i think is really important yeah but you know why this show is for kids katie why oh wait a minute
Wait, who is this show for again? Okay, I will say a couple compliments on this episode. So I thought that the tone was a little bit more consistent. Like, I wasn't as confused as I was in the first episode of who this is for. It kind of settled into itself, I felt. Like I said, I thought Sokka started to shine for me a little bit more in this episode. I can still feel your criticisms of Katara. I don't really start warming to her as much until episode three.
In spite of Aang having to be in that long scene with Kyoshi, he's kind of warming on me too. Like, I like his voice. I think he's a really good casting choice for... ang and i like to have more fun i want him to have more fun he has a little bit more in this episode though a little but not much i i just have him ride an animal just have him ride one animal please for the love of god yes um we also had it wrong we meet um what's his face in this episode a fourth character that we
that will be very important it's it's very it's at the very very end i guess we could talk about how the fire lord uh what did you think i don't know why they're showing him to me me neither I like his choice. I like his look. Yes. Good casting. I think that's like the one casting choice that I've got, you know, no notes about. Good job. Do you have notes about Iroh?
Iroh's fine. He needs to be more fun-loving. He's not... fun loving it's the same thing it's like nobody's fun loving like that is like that main i still have that criticism in this episode it was better than episode one but where is the heart exactly yeah um ozai gorgeous looking man, really great voice. I don't know why I needed to see him this early on in the season. He should not be seen until the final episode of the season.
Yeah, if you're gonna show him at all, yeah. Yeah, save it for the very end. What should have happened here is, you know, he gets the thing and we pan up to his face and right before we see him, boom, end of episode. You have to do it. Do it that way. If you have to do it, do it that way. I totally agree. And then don't show us him for a while. Yeah, maybe hear his voice or something, have him say things. But yeah, I really like the, you know, the not.
the the hidden aspect of him it really he's he's not a great villain like the one criticism that the show the animated show really gets is that you know, Ozai is kind of a lame villain. And I agree with it. He's just an evil for the sake of being evil villain. But, you know, the way that they go about building him up as a threat is really good.
Very theatrical. Like, that's gone. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't have much else to say. Again, my take is that Warriors and Omashu could have been one episode. So, should we head into Omashu and just combine this? Yeah, sure. Let's do it. All right, Carl. Give me the five sentence summary of Omashu. Oh, no. Okay, I'll try. So our gang is up on Appa and they think they see it.
Another airbender. Nope. It's not another airbender. It's just the earth city of Omashu. Carl, there's no way I can do this in five seconds. I can't believe I tasked you with this. I did it. I did it. You didn't even get to the... Carl, you didn't even get to the climax of the story! I did the job, Katie. You did not. You failed. Terrible at summarizing. I nailed it. I gave a five-sentence summary. That was a summary, Katie. I can do it. I can do it. How many sentences do I have left? Three?
You've already used two, and we haven't even gone to Omashu yet. Okay, let me start over. The gang gets into Omashu with the help of a mysterious kid named Jet. They meet... uh an artificer what is he a mechanist what the hell is his title a mechanist and his son and they are suspicious that the mechanist is helping the fire nation by giving them information and technology
They find out that actually, no, it's Jet and his gang of little boys, you know, going kind of rogue justice around town and they want to stop it. at the same time iroh and zuko have shown up because they heard that there is the avatar and then everyone ends up doing what they need to do in the end and our gang leaves and Jett's not Jett uh Zuko's on his own yeah yes that was like such a
Okay, five sentences is not enough. Let's just start. Let's go beat by beat from the beginning. You're the one who set the rule, Katie. You're coming down on me like I made up the rule. You're the one who set it. Carl, your rules are completely unfair. I'm ruling this podcast. I must be stopped. Like how at the beginning of this episode, people try and overthrow Ozai, but actually Azula is part of the day. What do you think?
I don't remember how we're introduced to Azula in the animated series in spite of her being my favorite character, but it wasn't like this, was it? Would you like me to remind you? Yes, please. I feel like I need to watch the animated series as I watch this. You should, except she's not introduced until season two. So it's the first episode of season two. She's on her ship. She's lightning bending. So we establish, boom, immediately. She's a very scary threat.
And her mentors are like, oh, that's pretty good, except he got one hair out of place. And we hear the Azula thing, like the Azula bell, right? Yeah. And then we zoom in on her face, her eyes widen. She's like. one hair isn't good enough almost isn't good enough like she's she's ready to go and then the next time we see her
Her people or her captain is like, we're ready to bring the ship in, but we can't because of the tides. And she's like, bitch, you bring this ship in or I'll fucking kill you. And that's our introduction to Azula. The way it's all coming back to me makes me angry because that should have been the introduction to Azula. This has been such a disappointment.
maybe it's for the best that i'm not watching the animated series you know it like the back of your hand i've watched like twice once with you when you were like 11 and then when we were doing our podcast a few years ago um now i'm really upset though Yeah. What another big missed opportunity. That scene is iconic.
I don't know what they're trying to do here. I guess show us that Azula doesn't mind betraying people, that she's very smart and cunning. Yeah. She's doing her daddy's bidding. It just... I don't care. I don't care. It didn't tell me enough about her. You know what I mean? I don't know if she's powerful with firebending. I don't know. Where were her two friends? This episode kind of makes it seem like she's not a firebender. Yeah. She's doing this. She's using her resourcefulness. And then she.
is shooting arrows like why would she need to be shooting but the thing is it doesn't make sense for azula to have infiltrated a group of people trying to overthrow ozai because she's not a good actor we know that about her like she's not good at putting on an act how could she ever play this part she is herself through and through all the time she does pretend to be um a kiyoshi warrior at the end of season two so she is able to go undercover but yeah pretending i i i will
I will praise it a little bit. It does show us that Firebenders are sick of Ozai and even the Fire Nation citizens are sick of the war and they're inspired by the Avatar. So that's that's fine. But as an introduction to Azula. I would have liked to see more ferocity. I would have liked to see more character from her. It's very strange to introduce a character as a...
when they're playing a character, when they're playing a different person, we get a false perception of them. And then she never has the moment where like the mask comes off and aha, I'm Missoula. She just walks. Fire Lord Ozai is like, I had a person in your group the whole time, and here she is, Azula, and she just walks out. We never get that moment of reveal. This is who I truly am.
You know what? This could have been a really good introduction to that character. We just needed that moment of killer instinct from Azula that tells us who she really is. we didn't get a hundred percent yeah no it was um underwhelming to me and the actress who plays azula and maybe i'm being too harsh because she's my favorite character but she feels miscast i'm gonna wait and hold my judgment though um
I guess I pictured Azula and Zuko to be a little taller, a little older, a little more angular. I don't know. There's something missing. I get the desire to cast children because they're children in the show. But I, one change I wouldn't have mind is if they went. okay we're gonna cast a 15 six like a post teenager borderline post puberty version of the yeah like they're good yeah they could have been aged up she looks she looks like she's gonna date ang
Yeah, she looks Aang's age. And in the show, it's easier to, you know, because it's animation, right? She's 14 in the show, but she looks like, you know. She's not intimidating in this new version because she looks so young. I think they're going to have a really hard time selling her as a scary villain. Yeah, I agree. And even like May and Tylee look really young to me as well.
Yeah, I thought Ty Lee was good. I didn't care for May, but Ty Lee captured that Ty Lee energy for me. Yeah, I guess she can also be played a little bit younger because she's so bubbly and perky. but i agree with me i was like where is your like dryness was aubrey plaza booked why could she not come in she's like 40. we have the technology to de-age aubrey plaza
And also do we care that she's probably not, you know, the right sort of ethnicity? I think if the casting is perfect enough, it's fine. We'll forgive it. Carl, I was going to ask you your opinion. So I've started to watch House of Cards starring Kevin Spacey. Should I be watching this?
I don't know. Does he get kickbacks from it? I don't know. Is it ethical? Because, I mean, there's a lot of people that work on productions. I will say this. I hate to say he's very good in it. I'd not watched it before. I just was like. Looking for like a new series to start. But I'm like, oh, I don't know. I don't know what, you know, is this? By breaching the bounds of ethics by watching a Kevin Spacey vehicle? Something to think about. Something to think about.
I'll rattle that one around in my brain for a while. Rattle that one around. But other people work on these kind of shows and productions too. And like, they probably get some sort of royalties. I don't know how it works. You know what? I'm going to leave it to the fat cats in Hollywood to sort out. There we go. There we go. Back to Avatar. So yes, we meet Azula at the beginning of this episode. You know who they did give props to is the Cabbage Man.
Yes. And I want to talk about that. I want to talk about the NPCs, the non-player characters, the background people that kind of added... some depth to the world of Avatar. We haven't really gotten a lot of that. And of course they had to make, they had to make mention of the cabbage merchant. You have to do that.
right you can't can't have an avatar show and not okay have a reference i was annoyed because his reference was so strong and i felt like our main players didn't even get that much of like a moment when they came on the scene like the first moment of like Iroh should have been like an iconic moment of him playing his games or like having his tea like we just didn't get these big moments for the people that matter
but then we got one for the cabbage merchant who cares right he's the big katie in this they're gonna take some artistic liberties and in this version he's the avatar oh my god could you imagine yeah if we're gonna like redo it produce being the fifth of course yeah um okay but that like comes later so you know we're trying to get into omashu there's a long a long queue if you will and People aren't being let in. They don't take kindly to people who aren't.
from there i guess and we meet this handsome young lad who takes a shine to katara and he's like oh don't worry i'll sneak you in put on these sacks these these produce turnip sacks i believe and they get in and then they go find the quote-unquote airbender and actually it is um a little guy what's his name teo zach teo And his dad sigh. Zach, he's flying around on his glider. He's drinking some Mountain Dew. He's got a backwards hat on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cowabunga.
Zach and his dad fell. It's kind of amazing because Psy, I believe is his name, is amazing at inventions. He's a mechanist. He's an engineer. Which we find out that Sokka is quite skilled at being an engineer as well. But something's a little bit off about Sai. He's a bit shifty and shady, even though his son, Tai, slash... zack teo zach wants to like stick it to the fire nation he's a bit more ready yeah i like i like cy i like uh the casting of danny poody i like him in anything
yeah he was really good i and i like here's here's kind of my um this weird dichotomy in my head i i like the idea of the mechanist working for boomy But not this version of Bumi, as we'll find out in a later episode. I don't mean to spoil it, but the original version of Bumi, I mean, we hear about it in this episode.
Bumi's had gone quiet. He doesn't want to join the war. He's tired. It's like, what? That's not the Bumi I know and love. But the original Bumi and the Mechanist, they would have been fast friends. They would have, as you like to say, they would have taken a shine to each other. Yeah. Yeah, they would have because the Boomi that I recall from back when we watched it loved A Wild Time. Yeah, he was all about it.
he's a crazy guy the fun he could have gotten up to with the mechanists inventions yeah he he was a big fan of of inventions and wacky things he he figured out how to use the package delivering chute as a roller coaster.
it's silly you know that is so silly and quirky so and i haven't watched the next episode so no spoilies but um am i remembering correctly from the animated version that teo's father actually is like blackmailed or forced to make inventions he did he makes the zeppelins for the fire nation and okay that does happen so i feel like they're kind of laying the groundwork here that like that he will become a traitor but like not
Because he wants to later on. He even has a line of something like, I'd do anything to protect Teo. Yeah. Yeah, I like... Man, there's so many people in Omashu, Katie. It's crazy. We've got The Mechanist and Bumi and Jet is in Omashu. And I don't hate it. I don't hate that this is the hub. I don't hate it. Yep.
I actually liked what they did with the whole Jet being the one that brings them in. He's the one that pulls Katara. Katara gets roped into this nice and early. We meet Jet. What's his merry band of people called? What are they?
the jetpack the jetpack the jetpack oh that would have been great the jetpack um the freedom fighters did you just come up with that that's katie that's pretty good katie how are we not writing this carl okay everyone that's listening all five of you one time carl and i wrote like a pretty decent series and then carl deleted it It was, I'm still not over it. And when we're face to face and there's no one else around, I will confront him. No, we get over it. Bygones be bygones. It was so.
good like it was on its way to being something so great we had like crafted artwork carl had put so much effort into building this world we were drafting an amazing thing and then carl deleted it why did you do that it wasn't it was it wasn't that good katie okay but it wasn't that bad okay it was better than this yeah i mean yeah it was on its way to being better than this
I mean, you know, we didn't have gold like the jet pack in there. But not yet. Who knows? We were just starting. It was a decent first draft, but now it's gone. It's gone with the wind, Katie. Do you even remember what it was called? I don't. It was called Altus of Arcalia. I still remember. because i loved it lame ass board game name i can't uh it is it is the name could have been workshopped but my point is people
We could produce something amazing. Carl just has to not delete it. That's not going to happen. I can't believe this. Anyway. back to avatar okay if avatar the last airbender can be a thing altus of arcalia can be a thing okay but the last airbender is all words you can't have a title that has two fake things. An avatar is a thing that you can look up. It's a spirit inhabiting a human body or it's humans reincarnating. It all makes sense. It's not nonsense.
the title we're not talking about our our failed ventures into the creative world we're talking about we have a lot of failed ventures i'll admit Carl and I have a lot of failed ventures into the creative world, but this podcast was not a failed venture. We did this one. And we're back to doing it again. Anyway, back to it. I liked the whole Jet of it all. I liked the actor who played Jet. I liked the little flirtiness with Katara.
liked her kind of being brought into his world them fighting together we meet pipsqueak and the duke and all those guys um and i like that we get this we get it right away with jet that he's like i will do what has to be done and this is why this would have been a great episode in correspondence with warriors because kiyoshi's philosophy is much the same as jets yeah you could have yeah that could have been like the um
the theme of the episode. And then Katara is, you know, going off with this guy and, you know, she kind of gets burned by him. She has like a love interest and Aang's doing his thing with Kyoshi. So that's separate from the rest of it. But then Sokka and Suki are having them. Yeah. It would have meshed together really well. And instead of having a long, boring conversation with Kyoshi, cut that dialogue by 80%.
and instead insert the Jet thing. And yeah, it could have been different. Like Jet's Band of Merry Warriors is all boys. And Katara goes and meets them. And Suki could have had an island of female warriors. And Sokka goes over there. Whoa, whoa, I'm in a different world. Yeah, that could have been interesting. Look at the juxtaposition.
I wasn't as in love with the Jet Katara thing as you are. I got the sense in the original show, I got the sense that like Jet kind of knew what he was doing. Like he... He was using Katara to fulfill his own desires here. He's a bad guy. He'll betray anyone to get what he wants.
He knows what he's doing. I didn't really get that sense here. And I don't like how Katara's ability to water bend is directly tied to her memories of her mother. I don't understand what they're going for with that. And I don't really like it. Yeah, I didn't really like that either. I don't feel as strongly about it as you, but it was unnecessary and strange.
I'm with you. I do wish that like, you know, I didn't get that from Jet either that like he was using Katara purposefully or I think that he would have been playing a longer game.
than he did i mean it's it's over pretty quick that he reveals who he really is and like his overall goal um and i think that that again is kind of a misstep because i actually really really cared about what happened to jet like in the animated series no in the animated series and i wonder if they're gonna take the same path that's like lake lao guy right yeah where he gets brainwashed or whatever tortured um
That really got me. I was really sad about that. And I really felt for him. And I wonder if we're going to really see much of him. I don't know what their plan is. You probably know because you watched the whole series. But I hope that they don't just dump him. I hope we get a longer. I could go for almost like a reconciliation with Katara and then a betrayal. I'd love to see Jet, like, again, a character development moment where he does fall for Katara and, like, she almost convinces him.
to like kind of change his path and then the pull of vengeance is just too strong And that'd be the lesson. That would have been a great change as well. And you have all this extra fucking time to do it. And they don't. It's really insane. Like you think about this episode. I think it was like 50 minutes. This is.
Two normal, like two, the length of two episodes of the animated show. Think about all they do. Remember the two-parter episodes of the animated show? Like when they cross the Serpent's Pass, they go from... Kneading away across the Serpent's Pass to getting there. They fight the dragon that's in the water. They get across. Then the drill. They get to Ba Sing Se. The baby's born. They go up on the wall. They fight the thing. They go inside the drill. They fight that.
They fight Azula outside the thing, and then they're finally at Omashu. That's two episodes. All of that happens in the same length of time that they went to Omashu, and they discovered that the Mechanists... might be working with the fire nation and is under attack. Like it's crazy how much time got away from them and making the show. Truly. And I can't imagine this is only six episodes. Like I'm already halfway done. Where are we headed?
Where do they meet? Do they meet Jet at Ba Sing Se? In the animated? They reconnect with him there, but in the original...
when they first meet him, he's in the woods. And how they meet him is also important to my theory that Jet knows what he's doing and he's just using Katara because they stumble upon firebenders and Katara uses her waterbending to... like help the freedom fighters fight the firebenders so jet sees an opportunity here he just helps them out of the goodness of his heart which i don't mind if what happens like what you
said would be interesting to happen if that's what happens if he's deep down he's a good guy but he's got like a lot of trauma and a lot of past issues that are informing his poor decision making um but I don't know. You know what would actually be the best scenario for Jen Katara is if he is using her. He sees the opportunity that she could be a good asset to his crew.
he is using her he finds out the avatar perfect even better we're gonna get vengeance and then he actually does fall for her and like starts to change his way and then in the end he just can't get past it and chooses vengeance over love like i feel like that would be a really good story so like it's almost like sandwiched like he goes in trying to use her falls for her
That's exact. See, oh my God. See, that would have been perfect with the original Suki arc because it's like they start one way, they go a different way, they come back to a different way, but with a different view on it. It's like twisted. That's like... it's character dynamics changing and shifting and it's, it's engaged. And instead it's just kind of, it's a lot, the, the entertainment quality of this show is a lot like reading a synopsis for an episode on Wikipedia. Yeah.
agreed and i would have loved that moment too of jet like the pain of jet having to choose between vengeance and katara like i would obviously feel bad for katara because we know he's going to choose vengeance but i would love to see like him almost have to break his own heart to like fulfill what he feels is his destiny like oh like that would have been so good and then you could have done something a contrast with zuko and ang maybe this is the episode instead of
Zuko and Iroh going to Amashu and chasing down Aang. Instead, Zuko or Zhao gets captured by the Earth Kingdom and Zuko has to choose. And so we see the dichotomy. We see that a firebender is actually more noble.
than an earth king person and he chooses to go save iroh instead of tracking down ang so it's like different character dynamics even like the theme of the episode of like what are you going to choose saving the person you love or um getting vengeance that would oh that would have been so great that would have been so good and then it kind of runs in the theme too of like who is the traitor who actually is the traitor here
And, like, I just think that there's so much. I'm really curious to see what happens in the next three episodes. I can't believe we're already halfway down. Like, I'm already halfway done with the season. Like, what? Like, there's, I thought we'd be so much further along in the story by now. It's really just got to a show. That's really crazy.
And I would love, yeah, that perfectly fits in with that Zuko arc. So let's talk about Iroh and Zuko in this episode. They hear that there is a, okay, can I also just say, how are people not like, oh my God, it's. An airbender. I don't know. Again, NPCs don't really exist. Wouldn't everybody see Aang and be like, oh my god, I've read about airbenders.
are you the only one oh my god are you the avatar like right he doesn't disguise himself i don't know yeah i mean he's flying around on his thing so how much can he be disguising himself Okay. Well, then word's definitely going to get back to the people that matter that there is an airbag running around. Anyway, so Iroh and Zuko... Hear that there has been an airbender spotted in Omashu. They roll up to Omashu and Iroh's hungry and enjoying.
the delicacies. Zuko is shitting on Amashu being like, oh, this is the best the Earth Kingdom has to offer. He is such a sour puss. I know, right? Jeez, what's his deal? His father burned him and banished him, sending him on a wild goose chase. why is he in such a bad mood he's in a bad mood he also i just really want to love zuko he should be the best character and right now my favorite character is saka yeah there's there's just so
much less going on with all of the characters. It's like all of the changes that they've made to all of the characters make them... subtly less interesting in very important ways. Like the depth of each of the characters is significantly... less deep than the animated show. I was very bored with the Zuko, Iroh part of the story. Yeah, and then they come face to face with Aang and Zuko and Aang fight.
hand-to-hand combat first nairo warns duko you know it was very boring uh you know keep your fire bending under control the earth kingdom guards will be a big problem if you don't and what do you know He can't. He ends up lighting the cabbage merchant's wares on fire. Can you imagine the insurance policy that this cabbage merchant has to take out at this point? Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
And then there's a big fire and someone's going to be arrested and Iroh, you know, sacrifices himself for the Fire Nation, I guess, and lets Zuko get away. Well, it's for Zuko. But that could have been, again, that could have been something great. Hey, you can't use your firebending, Zuko. And how about this? Instead of let's just walk into Amashu.
Zuko, the Avatar's in there, but we can't touch it because we're Fire Nation and they'll spot us. They know the Fire Prince and the Dragon of the West, the guy who laid siege to Ba Sing Se. We're going to have to wait for the Avatar to come out. And then Zuko, how about a character decision? Zuko goes, I'm not waiting.
And he goes and gets a mask. He grabs a mask off a cart somewhere outside of Omashu and sneaks into the city, maybe in the underground sewer that they come in in season two that Aang and the gang sneak into Omashu through. loving it he gets through there and he's sneaking around and he's trying to find ang and then he has to try and capture ang
without taking off the mask and without using his firebending. So we see his resourcefulness again. Maybe he's got like some airbender tendencies where he's like using his environment around him. Maybe he's studied airbender techniques because he's been tracking down the air. Nomad avatar. So now he knows how to use those.
And we see like his skills as an infiltrator that are so often shown and really are kind of like his biggest strength in the animated show. Like he's not an especially talented firebender, but he's so good at being a sleuth. And that would have been great. That would have been something for him to do. And another big contrast to Azula, who is not a good sleuth. She would be like, I'm just going to blow Omashu up until the Avatar comes out and faces me.
Yeah, you could have contrasted that with the beginning of the episode. Have Azula go undercover and someone recognize her or she'd slip up. And then once that's done, she's like, ah, fuck it. And then she kills all of them with her fire. You could have contrasted that. 100%. And then actually Zuko is actually very resourceful. Zuko is all the things. His father was just too blind to see it.
which we know to be true and guess what if he took a mask maybe we learn about his penchant for mask work yeah exactly maybe he keeps that mask and it's the blue spirit maybe this holiday is the blue spirit holiday Oh, we got masks. They really should have hired us on. It's really nuts how...
how easy it is to come up with like themes for these episodes because they're already in the show. And this show doesn't really have, like, what's the theme of this actual episode? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. It seems like they're just trying to like push, I guess, plot along without really much of anything else around it. But this show is plot heavy, which only works because it's thematic.
or else it's just like who cares it's just watching people go on like a storyline who cares that's a million other shows that's any other any other show you can watch anybody do anything and go on a storyline but if if nothing it's the difference between
It's the difference between fine, like you said earlier, and great. And this is fine. And it is crazy that they miss so much because... like you said the themes are literally baked in like most of the time in the animated episodes they explicitly tell you they're like right essentially like what we learned today you know like without getting that basic they
tell you what the theme is but it's almost like did they bring people into the writer's room that like hadn't really watched the animated series i think so i i don't know how familiar you are with like um netflix's um I guess, practices. But on The Witcher, I know you said you watched The Witcher and thought it was fine, but they were following the original source material really closely for like the first couple of seasons and people loved it.
and then the writers were like we actually don't even really like the original books so we're just going to do our own thing and then after that the show kind of dropped in quality and henry cavill left the show Because he was like, I joined because I was a big fan of the books. And now you're like, oh, we're better than the books, even though you're getting worse reviews than when you just followed the books. So I do wonder if these writers, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to.
speak out of line and i'm i'm sure you know we're we're talking a big game here but writing is actually really difficult and i'm sure they tried their best and they wanted to do a good job and if i had to work from scratch fixing stuff is way easier than writing it and if you had to work from scratch it'd be way difficult way more difficult but
I do kind of wonder if they were like, ah, this is a kid's show. We can do it better. I do wonder if there was some arrogance in that. But I didn't understand why people loved the original so much. Yeah, you're probably right. And again, it is hard to write stuff. We know that. And that's why Carl deleted our entire body of work that we spent hours upon hours on.
But I don't like the arrogance and I can feel it in the show. And again, it just goes back to, and I think that this third episode actually was my favorite of all three so far. I thought that the pacing actually was decent comparatively. And again, like the. the best i can muster up for this is that it's fine like i find myself watching it and it's mildly entertaining there are times where i do gravitate to my phone and then i have to rewind and go back and that's not a good sign
No, it's not. That's a pretty bad sign. My little baby enjoyed the fire scenes for obvious reasons. Like you said, he's probably a fire prodigy, but it's more likely that he just likes the loud music and the bright. lights um okay i think i ragged a little bit on the music in the first episode they really i'm up to their game in the second and third episodes the um sound was really nice
They did a nice job. Really? I didn't notice it. I mean, I guess that's the biggest praise you can really give for sound design. Was it intrusive?
yeah it wasn't intrusive it fit if at the moment um i might have noticed it more just because i was watching with archie and like when the music would get like dramatic or swell like he'd focus up you know so i was kind of maybe more aware um and again i really like love the the physical world building that they've done with the show i do um it's detailed it makes sense there's a lot to take in did you catch iroh pick up the uh the gaming chip
The pie show thing. Yeah. That was a nice little moment. The white Lotus. The white Lotus. So there's some really, some really cool, interesting moments in there, but overall, what would you give these two episodes? Warriors, what did I get? Like four and a half out of five I gave the first episode. Warriors, I'll give that. Wait, that seems really high. Four and a half out of five?
Sorry, four and a half out of ten. Sorry. Yes, okay. I was like, oh. I prayed. Nine out of ten. Jesus. Warriors, I'll give four out of ten. I liked it a little bit less than the first episode. uh omashu i'll give four and a half out of ten about the same quality of the first episode i i kind of liked the first episode more uh than this one i'd say slightly more okay
I liked both of these more than the first episode. It was so much exposition for me and I can't get over Gran Gran. Um, so I would give, I would give Warriors like a five and I actually really enjoyed Omashu. I, I'd give it like a six. okay wow wow jesus high praise six out of five wow i have to compare them to each other now so like my scale has shifted my scale shifted um anything else that you want to add
I'm trying to think through the Omashiu part. You know, one thing that I will say is if I was watching this for the first time, I would have dropped off by this point. If I wasn't a fan of the original show, I would have left. And they'll never release this, but I'd love to see the viewership numbers by episode. Well, they just renewed for a season two and three.
I know, but that's because it was like the number one streaming show in the world and there's a built-in audience. Here's what's going to happen. I will never get confirmed this, but I guarantee what's going to happen is this show got... X amount of viewers and season two is going to get half as many viewers and season three is going to get, uh,
not half as many viewers as that, but like 40% of season one viewership. It's going to drop off because the diehard fans are going to stick around, but the casual fans are completely gone. And so I'm not looking forward to season three and that increasingly reduced budget. But whatever.
Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm watching this from an interesting view, too, because I'm really excited for Archie to be a little older and to watch Avatar with him. And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know if I would let... like I don't know what age this is for still like with there's like a little bit there's almost like too much violence for it to be for a kid like a little kid but yeah it's
not adult enough to be entertaining enough to watch when you're older so like what age range is it for like 11 year olds specifically Yeah, it's sort of backwards of the original show, like from six to 99, you can enjoy the OG show for this. It's like if you are 15 and a half and a guy. You'll be dumb enough to enjoy the dialogue and you'll like the cool death scenes because they're badass.
Yeah. Exactly 15 and a half. So show him the original show when he's like nine-ish. Six? Oh, wow. Even younger. I think younger. Yeah. It's cartoony. All right. Yeah, indoctrinated early. That's smart. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, like this is not necessarily something I'd show. Like I was so excited. i have like little nieces and nephews and when they were growing up i watched avatar with them this i would not be excited to like show like i wouldn't be like oh my god you have to see this
So you're right. I would I would have dropped off by now to be a big waste of my time. But we've not dropped off. Here we are. And no matter what, it's still better than the M Night Shyamalan. That's true, but that's, you know, I'd rather watch a dog turd dry out than the M. Night Shyamalan.
version oh not me i had a fun time watching that with you that was really funny yeah it was it was fun to make fun of i'll i'll give it that but it was also infuriating legitimately the first time that i watched it this last thing i'll say the first time that i watched it I was so angry. I was literally pausing it like every five seconds. I was so mad. I'm like a devout religious person when it comes to this. And it's like somebody was insulting my religion. I was so angry.
you can't stand for that carl only justice will bring peace that's right that's right okay so that's up of avatar you watched blue eye samurai yes i binged it and you loved every minute of it i thought it was fine maybe at least a little better than mine but i i wasn't in love with it that's crazy it it was the best thing that came out of tv last year
That could be true, but I stand by what I said. It was a shit year for TV last year, Katie. That's crazy to me that you weren't like obsessed. It's so good. I love the name. Great name. Very clever. Very good name. Great characters. Lots of peaches. Lots of peaches and pumpkins. Peaches and pumpkins. Well, I loved it. I'm hoping that our audience also loved it. I'm very excited for season two.
chomped up that show within like two days and thought it was excellent all right that's playing up for today anything else you want to add or are we are we good to go I think we're good to go. All right, then we will see you all next time on Everything Changed.