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Harris coming to you from North Carolina. I am a tyed to turn in the twelve the Universal Laws of Success and other books and just honored to be here. It's great to know what everyday black men are talking about. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. But thank you so much for taking time out of your day for us. We refinitely appreciate that here with everydy black man, Doctor Herbert, I wanted to know more about your law degreen kind of some
of the things that you saw. I know, in the legal field, sometimes black men don't have as nice relationship with law as they'd like to. But what did you see during the time that you practice? You know, money is always the key, you know, justice and America is about how much money can do you have finance your own your own vindication. That's pretty like that. So what is definitely true and I'm sure it's true for most poor people, but if you don't have the money to hire a competent lawyer,
and justice may not come to you in proper fashion. From a Black perspective, very often many of our folks don't have the money and have to rely on legal aid and you know other paid for representation. And the challenge that that is the legal aid folks are paid for paid by the same folks that you know pay the district attorneys. Pretty much that's coming out of public
funds. So I won't say that they're not independent, but I'm just saying that many of the legal aid lawyers are overworked, and it's just a when you look at the case load, it's like I just can't of a client that type of attention that their case may warrant. And then you know,
the court system embraces all the prejudices that exist in America. You know, so a white, young white kid would come before a judge and a white judge and there's a good possibility, you know, judge look at him and you'll see a certain similarity, and the judge may take an attitude of let's give him another chance. And a black kid will come before the same judge, and based on that whole paradigm of America, the judge may say,
hey, let's teach this kid a lesson. So all of those things are together in judicial In the judicial system, one of the key things is money. Have the money to represent high competent counsel. That is probably the most important thing of all. Excellent, thank you, I really appreciate. Oh New York New r Wow. Wow. Yeah, I'm sure you saw a
lot up there. You know, the New York law can be one of our most tricky just because you've got so many people living in one state, You've got a lot of different Oh yeah, oh yeah, a lot going on in the economy. So he also mentioned that you write. You wrote a books. He said, what made you want to go into that field. I've always been a writer. I a writer and a teacher, and
I wrote the book my most I've written a number of books. My first book was actually written some time ago as a book called how to Make Money in Music, because I was in the music industry for a good number of
years. And I've written a couple of other books in between. But my most popular book is a book of the twelve Universal Laws of Success, and that one has been through over three hundred printings and about nine languages, and it's been a transformative book many of the young people and older people, people who are interested in creating a new life for themselves and want to avoid the
pitfalls. Twelve the Universal Laws of Success is the book for you, people who've been through life and maybe even at that retirement age, and who are wondering what to do with the rest of their lives. Tweld universal laws and successes for them also. So the premise of the book is it living is a skill. Success is a skill. You have to learn, practice and master that skill to give yourself the rest opportunity to create the life you want.
That was an interesting workle You didn't I didn't have any idea that you did music. A lot of those who are former artists are current artists with music, and that's interesting. What in music did you participate in, like what I spect of it? Was it the legal side or or you're an actual musician. Oh, I actually played. I play now play guitar and play piano. I played the apollo and I worked in the old days. My office was in the same building with the eys Lip Brothers Buddha Records,
Little Richard, sixteen fifty Broadway in New York. That was that was the spot for music and then the air when people were running into a record company and play a song on the piano and the producer would say, hey, man, let's go ahead the studio and work. I have a couple of records that were decent hits, a group called the Finishing Touch and the Top Shelf. We also had group we co produced out of the Groove. You know when they hold Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff and that whole group. This
is the air like the seventies of music before before hip hop. I was a matter of fact, I knew the Furious Five, one of the early rap groups, and the actual DJ Hollywood and he started out on Wednesday nights damning at the Apollo Theater. So I've been around in music from the old days added up to the present. That's cool. I was watching a documentary recently with a lot of documentary. It was just a couple of interviews with Lionel Richie what's the other guy's name, I can't think of his name.
That to the fruity guy, Hastle, Richard, Richard Fruity or Rudy. Yeah. Yeah, we're talking about like light standing people in and like music back then and like the different things that. It was a weird documentary offshoot. But that's interesting. Uh before hip hop? Wow? So you mentioned your recent book, What are something to take away? As you would like? People don't know one of the key things. The first chapter of the book he deal with the topic of how to study, and most people never
really learned how to study. How to really approach your book or an article or anything you want to learn. And so we actually give a systematic approach. We call it SQ three R study method survey the material. You may be reading an article, a book, even taking a class. A survey is s Q is set up certain questions. So if you survey an article, you know that you're reading an article about let's just say cars, and so ask what questions you think that article is going to answer about cars?
And then our one is to read it, our two is to review it, and our three is to recite it. The part of that technique is to develop competence. You know, in this age, people can google stuff. So you ask a personal question, they'll google it and give you the answer and going about their weight, but they may or may not retain it in their minds. They'll just google it again and they want to know again.
So that's one of the key points of how to study. And then we deal with the laws of success, how to how to use the laws to work for you. For example, the law the first law of success is the law of thought, and it's a scriptural basis says, as a man thinketh in his heart, so as he So we teach people that you need to have positive thoughts. Whatever you think and you feel about that thought,
that has a vibration to manifest in your life. So if you think bad things, if you think lack and limitation, you think, oh how bad it is, and you say it with such feeling that yeah, man, it's really bad. I'm busted, disgusted and can't be trusted. Then that becomes your reality. But then if you change your thinking and say, hey, man, I'm prosperous, I'm good looking, I have a lot of energy, i have great potential, I'm going to do good things in
the world, that gives you a whole nother vibration. So the law thought, and we go through the law the man three laws, the law thought, how you think, the law of change that you can change your life by changing your thinking. If you think a new thought, you can create a new reality. And then the third law is the law of vision, that if you can see it, you can be it. And you know, one of the things about the early music industry, so many of those
guys just wanted to sing. You go back to the days of Frankie Lyman, the Rhinetts, the the I mean, these are groups I'm sure be before your time. But these are folks that sold millions of records, and their thoughts that was they just wanted to sing. They just wanted to sing. And they never made the money that the rappers make today because the rappers came through a new mindset when the when the music industry did not embrace them,
they said, well, let's create our own. I know, if you remember back in the really back in the late nineties early eighties had street music. The record companies wouldn't buy the lay records and the radio stations wouldn't play I Am. So that you had a whole bunch of DJ's developing around the country and they could literally break a record right in the different clubs,
and that gave the music industry a whole other cut on the music. And so when the rappers came through from the earlier guys like Flash and the Furious Five and the actual real DJ Hollywood, when those guys came through, they had a different paradigm the record with working with the record companies. The older artists thought that they could the record company was everything. If you don't have
a record, you're never gonna make any money. The new artists, the rappers say hey, we got the goods, and so it's just a different mindset. And then that law vision, if you can see it, you can be it. So many times we see ourselves based on our present condition. We see ourselves we may be broke, and so you don't have to see yourself broke. If you broke, that's your condition, but that's not your potential. So you can see yourself rich. You can see yourself prosperous.
And once you see the vision, you can set goals to take you there. Once you set goals, you can make a plan to execute those goals. And if you follow through and don't quit, you can be a Tyler Perry, you can be a Beyonce, you can be anybody who wants to create success in their lives. Back, no problem. Hey, I do have a question. You said something about the idea of positive thinking. Let me ask you a question. So that's like a common trope amongst like
anyone who says, you know, positive thinking can change your world. But you know, let's say you're a kid growing up in the inner cities of Houston and you have to go to a terrible school every day, and like, when does that positive thinking end? Where you're just like man this life sucks. I feel like they tell you often now that you can change your life whenever you want, just positive thinking, and you're just like, dude,
I'm hungry. I can't positively think anything while I'm hungry. So how would you recommend it in that situation, you know, change their life? Well, I guess we're talking about adults right now. Right, So let's say you are nine to five and you are working what they call it paycheck to paycheck. You got more a month at the end of the money, correct, the end of the money. You know, you got more a month at the end of the money. So you got twenty five days worth
of life. Twenty five days worth the money and thirty days worth of life. Oh, okay, you're gonna have You don't have this down or no one. I know. He said it perfectly. He said it perfectly. He's saying, I have this amount of resources, and you got this amount of time, and your resources that match the time you have. Okay,
you run out of money, I mean many of us have. You know, you may be making that thousand dollars a week, that's like four thousand dollars a month, but if your expenses are five thousand dollars a month or five. Yeah, at the end of the month, you run out of money. You run out of money in the third week of the month, and so from that point on you have to finance your life on credit cards,
borrow money, and do some outside side hustling. So effectively do you think do you think people are poor because they run out of money or are they poor because they make poor decisions? Well, you know, money is just like a way to keep score. Poverty. Poor can be a mindset. Poor can be assing over opportunities repeatedly. Bad. Yeah, assing over opportunities repeatedly. I can keep you poor. You can be the working poort.
Like I said, poor, It's just it was a mindset. The amount of money you have is just as this, like a state of funds. It's like your your bank account. Maybe a great person that's one thing that's your mindset, which you have in your bank is something different. Question you asked about the positive thinking. I want to just get back to that because that's a profound tool. How do you think flex where you're going? But a positive thought, a thought is like a seed. Okay, it's
not enough just to have the thought at seed. You know when they had a chance to go to Egypt, and I went in King tuts tomb. When they opened King tuts Tomb after three thousand years, found seeds, those same seeds, and they took them and put them in good soil and put water on them. They would grow. A positive thinking is like a seed. For you to really benefit from it, it has to put be put in the proper soil, example, the soil of somebody who cares about you.
You know, when I talked to a lot of young people, I've taught in some of the middle schools and we brought our program, our book and whatnot into the middle schools and the high schools. And one of the things we find is that I can give you a positive thought of potential what you can be. But if you sun, if you don't have a guideless counselor if you don't have somebody who believes in you, who is in a position to help you move to the next level, it can be it can
be challenging. You remember in the movie Malcolm X. I don't know if y'all did you all see that movie? Yeah, Denzel, yeah, yeah, when he was in school and he told the teach he wanted to be a lawyer. She said, oh no, no, your kind can't be like you need to be a mechanic. You need to learn how to do something with your hands. So he had a positive thought, it was in negative environment. You imagine how his life would have been different if you know
he had a teacher that said, man, that's a good idea. Your vertality. You were ell spoken here, Let me help you. Let me let me you need to be taken this class, this class, and that class, and maybe your family is poor. Let me see what kind of recesses I can get to help you all out, because I think you have true potential. So it's not just the thought, but it's also the seed,
the fertility of the environment in which the thoughts had. That can then either bring the fraud the thought into fruition or it can put the thought to bed. Okay, all right, So you also mentioned, um, what was the other thing? And in the three cs, what was the last one? And yeah, sqr SQR the three R sq three R is a review, read it, review it and recited excited. So when you say
that, it made me think of this term. I don't know if you ever heard of like google brain, or a generation of people aren't able to tame things that they don't believe or deem it important that they feel like they can google it. Do you think there's a way for people to just like is that just like how it is? Or is there a way to train yourself out of it? If you are familiar with the term google brain or
yeah, I'm the term because that's basically brother. When I was saying that when people can google alway, they don't feel the need to retain it, and so that the r said, when you recite it, you got it in your own brain. You don't have to go ask no body if you gotta go. You got the Google brain it you never have any internal knowledge. And the long term danger that I see is it the brain is just like any other muscle. Muhammad Ali didn't train, he wouldn't be able to
do a good fight. If you don't use your muscles. Many of you sound like very braberant young men. You may go to the gym and build your bodies up, but if you stop going, that flab is gonna come. Simony. If you lose your ability to retain information and memories of skill, you learn how to remember, but you practice memory. If you don't, if you lose that ability to retain information, eventually you won't be able to remember. Dudele and I fear that's what's going to happen with Google Brain.
I agree with it. I just I see too many people who are I guess, for lack a better term, satisfied with Google Brain because to them they see no real merit and learning something that they can just look up. But as you already you know recited, looking up is not retaining. Looking up is not knowledge. That's just saying what you see. Um, if you were dealing with someone, sorry, I apologize, you just gonna just decap that off. One day somebody might turn to computer off. It's
like you go into a macdowns. I was in a club in New York once and my daughter is a singer. She was performing and uh, I was ready to go. She finished her show. I'm ready. I'd like bring me a check, but it can bring me a check. So finally a lady comes up and she said, oh, sir, he said. She said, the computer's not working, Like, so what I want to leave? I said, just figure it up. She said, we don't know how to figure it up. I said, bring me the menu. Okay, I got the menu. I added it up. I said,
what's the tax rain, She's seven percent? At seven percent, I said, that's when I owe you. Let me pay you. She said, sir, we have a bunch of bells over here. Could you could you do that here? So I helped them out. But the point was when the machine went down, they had lost the skills of adding, you know, the basic arithmetic skills. And so with this Google brain, when when
the machines go down, then you out of luck. And then with the Google brain, the answers you get when you ask a queery Google where those answers coming from? In this age today of out official intelligence and people doing be everything, pretty soon somebody can give you an answer that might not make sense. It might even be bad for you. And if you have not if you don't have the ability to think and critically, say, hey, this guy said drink Arsenic, I don't think that's a good idea. It
can be, it can be real problematic in the future. I agree. I definitely agree there they should have gone down to house. I have a question for you. You said you were a lawyer, right, you talked about the biases and law, and you brought up the point of AI. Do you think that AI would serve us better as a judge than an actual person with biases? That is a that's a powerful question, because biases were
positive like biases were negative. A computer will look at case and say, you stole the money, okay, you found the money in your shoe, and you're guilty, and there's no bias, that's just the COHRD facts. And a judge as compassion may say, you stole the money to find the money in your shoe. Why did you steal the money because my mother was sick and needed medicine, because my three baby brothers had no food. I judge with compassion might say, I'll tell you what okay. I'm I'm gonna
give you probation okay. Or maybe even just a judge of real compassion to those just being in the in the judicial system, I've seen judges said, look a man, let me introduce you to a work program, send you over the manpower. Okay. Let me make a referral to so to services. You shouldn't be in here. This is not a criminal. This is a man trying to feed his family. And I don't know that the computer can do that, So the biases work. Broth plays like one judge might
say, he said, issue, send him away forever. Well, I mean, okay, I start to cut you on phone that note. Then do you think that the okay, let's weigh the options of those biases, right? How often do the judge do that right? And do that for a person of color versus yeah, if you're rich, right? So is it really benefiting us to have that option to have like that? Are we just scared of the next level of saying, hey, I'm or take myself out of this because I know that I can't do this properly. And in
my opinion watching different judge shows looking at different cases. I'm no lawyer, right, but I do think that there is something broken in our legal structure and what's broken in it. I think what's broken is the laws. And I think if you bring in an AIDS right, then you can see, hey, these laws are broken, this isn't fair, this isn't right, and then we can start fixing the laws. Because as long as we leave
the system with these biases, I don't think anything's gonna get fixed. Which is gonna be shuffling judges around like a shuffle board with no end in sight right to no avail. Well, we really need to be fixing a broken system, right, and I think that AI judges would help push that a little bit further. I just say this, it's no better the person who
programs how deficient intelligence does not come from God. It comes from man programs with the different algorithms and the same prejudices that people have in real life getting part right into the program. Yes, sure, it's something. It's something
to think about that always. You know, intelligence is created by people, that those programs can incorporate the same biases that people just like you want to get a good judge, John a good program or when it's somebody dealing with with people's lives and people's futures, I feel like that's a candle stick burner on both ends situation. I don't mean that your argument is bad by any
means. It's it's it's accurate. Um. What I do question is, as you said, if we can't question, or if we don't take into accountable account that the person who's making the or working on the AI, even if it's a group, may have nefarious intent, then that could be taken as oh, it's a computer. They only work within the confines they were given. They were given fair confines. So what you feel is unfair, it's not really unfair. That's just you not being able to do with reality.
But as you said, everything made by man was in fact made by man. So if you if you provide the people with this, uh, this artificial feeling of absolution, that at least the computer will be correct then and it'll just give the people in power who are behind the money that's behind the people that program set AI away to control the system, and it may end up just creating the exact same system with more technological steps, but less. You see, I don't know how to program compassion. All judges are
not racist. Have been many judges I can write. I've seen them look at a young man and his potential, a look at a young woman her potential, and say, hey, let me give you another chance, let me give you another shot. I've seen that work both ways and until and compassion is the thing that makes judges in the human beings. When judges lose their compassion, than they act just like computers. I don't know how to program compassion into the computer, and I don't know how you can program compassion
into AI and just this and deal with the court system. It must have compassion. And if you don't have compassion, then all that looks is the facts. You stole it, you broke it, we caught you, and the sentence thing says twenty five delighte goodbye. That's another question. It sounds like you just said that compassion or a court system without compassion it's not a
good court system. Would that be me taking that out of context? You're absolutely right, a court system that's without compassion is not a good court system. Well, I mean that was actually I just want a confirmation that what was in fact what you meant, But you said it plainly there if we look at the court system and this is just you know, obviously um not
can talk if you will. But if there was a way to measure or at least see without a shadow of doubt in a certain time period that the judge was completely without compassion, do you think that there is or should be a way to deal with that judge or is that just kind of part of the game. Isn't know what I mean? I always believe in review process nobody's person, nobody's perfect, and nobody stays the same. You know, there a lot of people start out right and when their conditions change in their
life, they go wrong. They start out on the right, they go left. So I think there should be a review system judges, anybody in a position to deal with people's lives, people's freedom, It should always be some kind of oversight, you know, in the appellate courts. That's what the courts of appeals are all about, that that a judge can make a wrong decision. Hopefully you have a lawyer who files a notice of appeal,
the appeal to a case to a bigger group. And if you notice, when you appeal cases, you go to like a group of judges, which is designed to sort of take it out of me, the one judge format. Like I said, maybe that judge is wrong, maybe that judge is prejudice. Now you go to an appellate court, which is a court to reviews the judges. And so that already exists right now, and the appellate court can review that judge's decision. And you hear this decision was reversed.
They sent it back for a new trial. So that process is in place, but you know, I think it can definitely be improved. Okay, So let's say that person got that confession and I'm out and I get your book, you know, and it's time to change my life because I was given a choice. What will be the first steps you recommend for a person like that? That would just before any person, and the first steps to change a lot. I'll tell you a lot of my books. I did
a workshop yesterday using the twelve. My book is called the twelve Universal Laws of Success. Is on all the platforms, so on my website Herbert Harris dot com. This book has been very popular in prisons incarcerated persons, and so I've got a few letters on my desk right now. When I wasn't a right, I sent him a book. Many times they buy the books. And I just got a notice to come and do some on digital ready
called online training. But to just show you how a young man who got the book in prison up and I don't know what prison he was in, but the book turned his life around. Now he's very successful. He told a lady here in North Carolina about the book. She saw an event right
that I was speaking, so yesterday she showed up at the workshop. And so with a person coming out a prison, a person, let's just say, a person who needs to make a big overhaul on their lives, a drastic change, then our book is perfect for that because it's written on a very simple format. In other words, the book was written so that anybody can read it. You don't need degreeds, you don't need a whole lot
of education, And it's written in a like a recipe book. You know, if somebody tell you go and make a cake, start from scratch, most of us couldn't do it. But if somebody say, here's a recipe, just follow the recipe, you can make a cake. And so the book the twelve Universal Laws of Successes. They often call it the recipe Book for success. So when people come out, they can take that book, and that book tells Hayden, look at your thoughts. There's a chapter on
relationships. It says in relationships, if you're coming out, you know, a returning citizen, and you need to look at a new playground. You don't want to go back to the same playground you will end where you got in trouble. You may want to look at the new play mates that maybe some people that you need to cut ties with because otherwise you're going back to prison. You need to look at some new play things. You leave that
coke alone, need these whatever. And so when you come out with that mindset, then now you look at the chapter on vision and says, hey, let's create a new vision for yourself. How do you want to see yourself you're coming out of You've been in jail fifteen years. Where do you want to see yourself? Say, man, I'd like to see myself in a job. I'd like to see myself with a family. I'd sit and see make it. Whatever that vision is, the book helps you formulate that
vision so that now you can break that vision down into goals. What's the first thing I gotta do, the second thing I gotta do? And so that's why the book is so powerful anybody who's looking to make a change in their lives, whether it's when you might see a small change, I said, look, my life's going pretty good. I just need to make a few mid course corrections and I'll be fine. A big change. I need to stop everything I'm doing, man, and do something different. This book
can help be help you there. I think everybody wants to make a change in their life. But oftentimes, especially when you're young, do you think you have so much time and then that time become less time and that time becomes less time? Doesn't work for That's called procrastination. Do you think there's a time that's too late to change your life or tomorrow's there's another opportunity. It's never too late. And Mary Pickford was a silent movie before movies.
I know this look way before your your time, but there was an actors named Mary Pickford and she said this said, you can never create a new beginning, but you can always create a new ending anywhere you are right now, you can always make a change. Crastination. Now you just hit on something. Procrastination. It's one of the things we deal with in the book because procrastination, how to overcome procrastination. Procrastination can steer your dreams. Procrastination
can take you out so that you don't get anything done. So we have a whole section on overcoming procrastination. And I'm just going to touch a point with you from page one eighty eight to see what I'm talking about. How a person can take this book and says, how do you overcome procrastination. Number one. Realize that it's a main cause of failure. Number two.
Recognize that when you let procrastination take over in your life, you waste time, you lose money, or do this going performs your misengagement, your life slips away. If you want to get around procrastination. Number three half a definite schedule. Stick to it. You know, there's a reason why they tell you to come to work nine to five because it works. So if you want to change your life, you need to have a definite schedule.
You need to stick to it. Number four. It says, make a list of the things you have to do or the things you want to do, and set the time limit on when these things should be done, how long they take. Number five. Make a definite commitment to all always be on time. Number six. Planned to handle one activity at a time. Number seven. If you're confronted with complex activities, break them down into simple forms. Okay, I need I need four thousand, eight hundred dollars by
the end of next year because otherwise I got a problem. Well break it down into twelve months. That means you gotta make four hundred, you gotta save four hundred dollars a year. Break it down into the first month. There's four weeks. That meets you gotta now save one hundred dollars a week. Breaking down in the days, there's five days. That means you gotta save twenty dollars a day. Now you've taken a four thousand, eight hundred
dollars goal and broken it down. So now the question is how do I make twenty dollars a day extra and on top of what I'm making sick and set it aside. So that made mean, hey, let me take a little job here at wrong lines. Let me let me do a little waitressing job. I did a training for some waitress and waitresses, and many of them had other jobs. They said, they're doing that job because on the weekend and a good restaurant they can make two or three hundred thousand two days
and tips. Okay, And girl said, I'm saving half of my tips to take myself and get myself a new place. So these are the kind of things that we have in the book. Back, That's what I said as I read that to you. This is exactly how the book is written. Step by step. Do a do b doc. Another one that says under overcoming procrastination. Do not let the fear of criticism or the fear of failure cause you to be slow in making decisions. Dog decide and then take
action. Do it now. And so you know, when you start making a change in your life, your friends are gonn the man you know, hang out with us anymore. You know you used to be dying. Now you're not cool. You don't want to chill number okay, guys said, well, hey, fine, I don't want to chill anymore because I want to move from point to eight to point B. So don't let that bother you. Even the fact you may fail. Don't let that bother you.
Failure to address rehearsal for success. Anybody who's not failing anything probably not doing anything important. Back to you, Yeah, so you mentioned you're on your plan. You're doing it, You're in it. So okay, so you're doing it. But you say you have a goal. But like you go back to money where you started it when it came to your profession as a lawyer, Like, what do you consider there's being rich and then there's wealthy. What is wealthy? Is that to the individual or how does that is
that explain? In your book. In chapter eight we talk about the law of value. He said, there's four things, and you operate in your life to create Number one it's called the earning principle. The earning principle says that you should make as much money as you can doing what you do eagerly, something with honor, but earn as much as you can. Where you earn more money is to have more value. If you have more skills, you can make more money. That's one of the things that we'll cut across
racism. You know, the one thing that the big world realizes. If they can make money on what you do, then they're gonna pay you that money. And so number one is the earning principle, to put yourself in a position to earn as much money as possible. Number two is the spending principle, to control your spending to operate from a budget. A friend of mine said, man, I ain't making a two hundred dollars a week. I don't need a budget. Yes you do. You really need a budget
if you want to, because now every penny counts. Then you have the saving strategy that earn as much as you can spend this little that you have to and save as much as possible. And the saving principle says, hey save a hundred dollars, save a ten dollars, say save something. And then the fourth is the investment principle. Once you learned the savings principle and you stash enough money to cover yourself and maybe three months or six months now
you can take and start in investing. And so we deal with that. You know, it's really a mindset. You know, a lot of people think you got to have a lot of money. You can get a lot of money if you have a plan to get it. You know, there was a black woman down in Mississippi, and if you read her life, you know it seemed like, I mean, if you can take all the terrible things that can happen to a child, it happened to her or her mother. And she became what you call a washer woman in other ways,
she washed white people's clothes, white people's sheets, and ironed them. She did that for forty years. She never made more than two hundred dollars a week. But at the end of that time, and she hit around seventy five eighty years old, I think she actually did that fifty years. They looked at her bank account, and this woman had hundreds of thousands of dollars.
He had enough money to provide for herself and take a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and set up as a scholarship month fun the black girls who didn't have the money. So it's money can be gotten if you have a plan to get it, and we teach that in the law VAT. Yeah, I know a lady with a similar story. I don't think she made it over ten dollars her whole life. Forty years come late, she dies unexpectively,
and they looked at her bank account. The lady had over seven hundred thousand dollars and if they owned a home, had three kids, she was married of course, so I don't know if it all came from one place. But I don't think he made much money either, But still it was a lot of money. The kids were just so surprised that she was able to do such thing just without even any kind of formal training. We're talking about middle school to graduate. Yeah, yeah, you know, like you
can create wealth a lot of times. Yet yes, it's I call it Michael Way wealth. You gotta make money overnight. You're like I'm want to get rich by next Thursday. I'll give it ninety days. If ninety days it doesn't work, and I'm quitting. If you're gonna when you look at the people who really make money, you'll find that they hung in there. I mean, Michael Jordan went to the same school I went to, of Carolina buch younger than I am. But he was not a great basketball player
in school, but he worked hard his parents. Now he had great parents who supporting them, and everything he did okay. But he didn't happen overnight. It took him a few years that he went through the whole process for high school college, so it didn't happen overnight. Anything you do takes time. But if you do it with deliberation. I mean, if you have a plan, then you can create anything you want. Without a plan,
the Bible said, where there's no vision, the people perish. If you don't have a vision of what you want to be doing, have the chances how you're just gonna spend your right chilling until one day you just freeze. Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Now, are you a fan of people crazy? Uh? Vision boards? I ain't go let us sound like witchcraft of me. So I'm not gonna be one behind that. That's all right, okay, okay, um, excellent, but plack libertarian,
I think you had a question. Go ahead, are you referring to me your question? Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I didn't want to travel down the rabo hole. So I just so if you've got something to doctor Herbert here, so go ahead and ask anyway. I just sorted to go back to the book. The book has been very helpful. I don't know if my assistant sent you copies of the book now, yeah, we'll love to have it. Okay, bro, I'll make sure that have her
reach out and get your addresses and send copies to you. Man, haven't any whether it's four of us on here, whatever, I want each of you to have a copy of the book now. If you prefer digital, Like I said, I'm still old school. I need paper. If you prefer digital, I can have her send you a digital right away or whatever works. Man, I can read it away. But I have a reading about her book. Um. So I hate to make this about race,
but we already Everyday black Man podcast coming from whatever Day black Man. All right, so look, let me ask you a question everyday. Black man, all right, he wants to change his life. There are a lot of sits out there that just aren't true. They say black men don't make no money. They do. Black man don't take there to ji they do. Black men on this, black men of that. You know what, those narratives that aren't always true? All right? Will your book be able
to help them on? Like? Ignore those details are out there. I know what I'm saying. Anybody else can found on it. I mean he said it already, He said to ignore any criticisms or the field or failure. And that's really all those are alway to try and box black men into thinking that they are failures before they actually do anything to help become help them become a self fulfilling prophecy. Sorry, and you know there are two areas.
One of the things in the first chapter in the low thought, one of the most profounds that you have is the thought you have about yourself and those narratives you was sharing, narratives perpetrated by somebody who may not like it, who may not care about us, and based on their mindset, the law what says, see yourself intories. No matter what they tell they may
tell your dumb as a box of rocks. See yourselves smart, okay, know that you have the potential, and so the book would be very helpful in helping redefine yourself image that if that's what they're telling you, that's not what the truth of you. So now you decide who you want to be and what you want to be, and then you proceeded on those lines. Versus hard working I'm sorry to that you offer. Which one do you think
it matters more? I think they're both equal. A lot of intelligent polks that are broke, intelligent folks that are lazy, and I know another hard working people who don't have any sense who're just working to maintain need them both. You need intelligence and you need hard work. Let me ask you a question about success. Now, we talk a lot about successes. If it's a good thing. Success has a lot of negative actibes, longer, jealousy, a lot of things that are hard to deal with the side of getting
for success, most people may not even walk to success. You mentioned Beyonce earlier. I imagine how life is a living hell, right, you know what I mean? Paparad see people always on your in and out in and out, and we never talk about that part of success. Success feels like an extrange relationship with everybody who own everybody who's ever done business, and becomes a lonely hole of destitute feelings toward life. And I just wonder do we
really need to push people towards success. Success is a looking a lot more at the material side of it, But success is a continuous realization we're worth while purpose and I mean, you know a lot of times we have created with dollars extens There are a lot of people who are successful because they're happy. You know. I think success without happiness is short lived. And that's why a lot of times people make a lot of money but live very,
very miserable lives. And so the main thing is what is it that brings you joy? What is it that brings you happy? Success has its down its downsides in a sense that I got like, you know where Beyonce and jay Z lived. You know, I know the property is a pain in the butt, but I know that they have a magnificent, beautiful house overlooking the park with a beautiful view, and and you know they don't have I don't know if they I don't think they have any money worth, so that's
not a bad thing. I think the idea is to create a life for yourself that provides the material things you need to take care of you and your family, that provides the amount of satisfaction and what you do to make the money, and provides a legacy. You know, I believe in legacy, in other words, the fact that I've lived and we have children. I would love for my children to have a better shot than I have, so I would like to make sure that they have some money going forward. You
know, I'll take it very interesting. Very often we as black folks looking insurance to pay the burial and pay the bills, wherein white people looking at insurance is a way to replace the income of the person who died. Just say it's the father of the husband. And that's a big difference. That's a big difference. And I'm not it's not absolutely they allowed black folks to really plan for that. But the idea, have a happy life for yourself,
to provide for your kids in the future. Well, you know, I used the data girl who who made her first few millions off of the death of a family member from insurance money, and I thought it the way she described it was the most evil I've ever heard of a life. But everybody should do that, even though it's very terrible, praying for someone's death so that you could gain wealth. But I guess overall, I just always heard more money, more problems, And in my life I've understood that to
be true. And I just wonder, like, is that where where are the topics where we discuss what it's like to make money or be successful in the pitfalls and the stress and the helm of that existence. You know what I mean? When I see a crackhead on the street, he's as happy as he could be, got his crack's running down the street, but naked, he's just in zest. You know, he's happy, elated, Gabe, he's gay as he could be. But when you look at somebody who's
really wealthy and miserable, they got this to do. Their schedule is NonStop things to take care of them when it get hold. I look at all the successful men who are not happy in the relationships with that. I mean, successing more like a murden than anything. What would you say to people who feel like dog success is like a knife. You can use that knife to carve out a beautiful statue to carve out a beautiful life for yourself. You can use that life that same knife to kill somebody. It's all a
matter of perspective. There are a lot of people with money that are very happy. Don't generally hear from them because one of the things I find about having money that the best you do is be quiet. Don't run around showing how much money you have. You know, because money is kind of like dog poop. It can attract flies. And so there are a lot of people who have money and very happy, very self contains of content, and most of them are very quiet about the money that they have because they know
that other people have different attitudes about their money. Guy I knew hit the lottery man and went to Las Vegas and hit the machine for five million dollars. You got about two point eight millions, and his life was hell. People that didn't know and man relatives showed up. Somebody sued him because one day he said, Hey, I'm gonna send your child to college. This is my grand nephew. I'm gonna send him to college. The mama. When he didn't do it, the mama want to sue him because he said
four years ago he was gonna send him to college. So the money brought him nothing but grief. He's back working on a job, the money's gone, and he's probably happy than he was before. So it goes both ways. If you get the money without consciousness, it's all about mindset. If you get the money without the right mindset, people who hit the lottery very
often within five or six years the money's gone. But then you get people who generate money hit the lottery and they have the right mindset that those lottery winners that you never hear from, those are the ones that are pretty happy with their money. A lot of the people who work can make very successful you never hear from him. You know, one day you see them in somewhere and you go like, man, I didn't know you had that kind of money. They are the only very happy. So I think it's not
money, it's the attitude that people have towards it. It can be a blessing or it can be cursing, but it depends on your mindset. All yeah, good. I guess, not necessarily to summarize, but my thoughts of what you've said so far is that when dealing with money, you should look at it or treat it as a tool, and then when using properly, you know, you can cut yourself. But I mean, I work
in a kitchen and uh, I can't stand the dull knife. So I think it's a matter of when you have a sharp knife, do you use the knife and then put it away, or do you wave it around and tell everyone you have a sharp knife and then invoke feelings of jealousy in them. If you can just be happy and content with what you have and keep it within that notion, you know, maybe cut things for your friends, right, then everything's fine. But when you start trying, yeah, show
it off and whatnot. Look at this. I got this that Japanese still people get jealous of you, and we know that jealousy breeze contempt and whatnot. So maybe one of the better things could be that you should not just chase success, but also chase a successful mindset. Exactly, Yes, perfectly, I definitely agree. I definitely agree. One of the people I know
who got fired from a job. When we next song him, he was super happy, and it's because he had so much stress and letting go of the job, he found something better, and I was more in line with him, so he was very happy. I'm complete, man, I just I thank you guys for sharing and you know, giving us an opportunity to talking. So what you're doing dread together, a group of brothers together talking stuff, ideas and meaningful stuff. And so I'm you know, just thankful
and honored to be on your program. I do have one question before you go. It's gonna be a little bit off the wall. You didn't mention it. You kind of like scowed it over it as a lawyer, Um, how do I say that when it comes to politics, Um, how do you think that equates to like success on the black bass? B do black people need to get more involved in politics? Or you don't even mention it in your book whatsoever? Or and now I don't mention any politics anything
personal growth development? Yeah great. I don't care for politics in general. I have an opinion, but I don't think they're important because I think it's more about money than anything. As I get older, who knows money is important? Ideas are important to you know? Politics represents different ideas. Yeah, you know, so many different ideas on the landscape, and and some people believe one idea, some people believe another. So whatever, whatever the
program. If you got money, you're in the battle situation like that. Okay, money, money, money, any money, all right, So we thank you for coming to our show. Here. I actually learned a lot. And well you learned something every day. And let's see what if we take down knowledge and use it and don't procrastinate to use it tomorrow, use it today, right, anything else you want to say to the audience. Absolutely, when I say to the artists, thank you for having me
on. I know there's people of colors, black folks have to do. I know when I was a child, I was taught you had to you had to work harder to get less. You gotta always work harder. We'd love you to go out and get our book. It's on Amazon, twelve Universal Laws and Success by Doctor Herbert Harris. It's on our website Herbert Harris dot com. Of the things that we've been really working to do, we find it many times when people want to make changes in their lives and sincerely
make changes. We put together a program called the Success Toolbox, and the reason we put that together was to give people an opportunity to have all the tools. So you have a copy of the twelve Universal Laws of Success e book. But you also have the audiobook over six hours because a lot of folks, we have to respect people have different learning styles, so a lot of people have to hear it rather than read it on a book. So we have the audiobook and then we have a home study course called new U
the New Uth Course. And what that does is it gives you a chance to I think he was saying a little earlier. There's four parts in the course. It's like assess your situation because if you're not happy, if things are not going the way you want to, then you need to look at what's going on. Assess your situation. Part two is make some necessary changes. Once you know where you're going. Once you know where you're at, it's like a GPS. You can't go anywhere until you know where you're at.
Once you assess your situation, whether you when good, your finances, your relationships, your emotions, your thoughts, then you can make new thoughts, new emotions, new relationships, new habits. And so we say assess address. Then the fourth section, the third section is on to set new goals. Once you see more, you can be more. So once you get a good vision of your life you want to live, then lay it
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there's a nice little tab there success tool box. Click on that and read some of that and may be something very helpful for you. So once again, thank you so much for being on here, and keep up the good work. Hey, I'm in this with a little scripture Jeremiah twenty nine to eleven, for I know I have plans for you, declare the Lord. Plans to prosper and not to harm you, plans to give you hoping and a future. Everybody, thank you've gotten the Harris from coming to the podcast.
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