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Welcome to Ever Be. Welcome back everybody today. We have a wonderful guest, uh, the wonderful Beth Davis from blessed is she, uh, on the podcast to discuss the topic of hope, which is so fitting for advent. So Beth, welcome to ever be. Hi, thank you so much for having me. I'm really, really overjoyed to be here. Yeah. Well, tell us a little bit about what do you do? What are you about?
Um, and share a little bit about blessed as she, I'm sure so many of my listeners probably already love blessed as she, but in case there's some who maybe it's new to them, can you just share a little bit about what you do with them? Sure. Yeah. I'm Beth Davis. I'm the director of formation for blessed as she, and I live in sunny Phoenix, Arizona.
Um, and I love Jesus and it's my joy to be able to share that love of Jesus and help women enter into a personal and loving relationship with Jesus through our ministry. Um, so blessed is she just celebrated 10 years. Um, kind of hard to believe I've been full time about seven years and was a writer for maybe a year and a half before that.
So, um, it feels like a lot of my adult life has been poured into this ministry and to watch it grow and become, uh, what God desires in many ways, kind of just a purification of what it's always been, you know, has been, um, really a marvelous thing to watch. Um, yeah, so I, I took over book projects and, and my title changed and I was able to begin to, um, form and really pray into content just in the past couple of years.
So this is the first advent devotional that I, um, You know, worked on and spearheaded that project. So it's a real. Yeah, it's a moment I've been waiting for, for a long time, because I've read this Advent devotional probably 10 times. Um, and it's, I'm just so eager for women to read it for themselves, to pray with themselves, because it has changed me. Literally every time I read it, even just preparing for this conversation, I'm like, I want to kind of refresh.
And I was like converted all over again. It's really that powerful because of the witness and, um, the beautiful charism of writing that Liz Kelly has. And she's the sole author of this devotional. Beautiful. I love it. Well, let's get into it. I, you know, we said that the, the theme of the devotional is hope and it's called a thrill of hope, which I found very interesting. Like I don't really feel like I pair, Hope with like it being like a, like a thrilling emotion.
And so I really do want to just ask you more about that theme. How does, um, how did that theme come about? And like, what all does that theme of a thrill of hope encompass? Why did you guys choose? Yeah, I'm sure you've made this connection, but a thrill of hope is a lyric. From the Christmas hymn, Oh Holy Night, A Thrill of Hope. I did not make that connection. No way! Yeah, that's where it came from, I guess. Yeah, A Thrill of Hope. Oh! The world rejoices. Oh, beautiful. Okay, I love that.
Yeah. But I, I like that word, thrill. I think it's really evocative. Like, because, As you expressed, I don't think we, our experience of hope is typically very thrilling, but if you enter into that moment of the incarnation, you know, at the nativity of our Lord, like it is so thrilling. There is kind of a swelling in our hearts and Um, hope rises up, maybe even despite ourselves or despite our circumstances, that things are going to be different because Jesus has come.
And we wanted to capture that in the title and with the content of this book. Oh, I love that. And I mean, hope is The theme we are pressing into in the season of Advent anyway, so obviously it is very fitting. Um, so talk to me a little bit more about that. Advent is a season of anticipation and waiting. So how would you describe your role of hope in truly preparing for that moment you're talking about? The birth of Christ, this moment of nativity when we know that everything changes.
Yeah, well, um, I'm sure your listeners are familiar, but each week of the Advent season has a theme. And so we dedicate in the church an entire week to the virtue of hope. But as the devotional really gets into, we kind of have um, We have a misunderstanding of hope. Uh, at least for me, I can say I have a complicated relationship with hope. And I think in many ways, that's because we don't really know what it is. We have a more secular definition of an experience of hope.
We equate hope with, um, wishful thinking or with everything kind of turning out the way that we want. And that's actually not the definition of hope as the church describes it, as the saints have called it. written about it, that hope is a virtue. Um, in fact, it's one of the three theological virtues. And in that sense, it is a gift. Uh, we are infused with hope.
It's not something we work toward or make happen or like think ourselves into, but that it comes to us divinely from God himself, who is the source of all hope, who is hope himself. And so I, it was important. To me just for personally to have kind of a Renewed and purified sense of like what is hope actually?
Because that complicated relationship I mentioned really has more to do with disappointment And discouragement than it does with god And so I kind of wanted to like define the terms like what is hope actually what is the role of hope? actually and just as we started, um There's one other woman on our team who's Just loves the Lord. And we have a beautiful friendship and we were just kind of talking through, you know, themes and like seeking the Lord, we were just praying together on the phone.
Like, God, what do you want? And this phrase, a thrill of hope, like. Came thrillingly to mind for me. Like this is it. We, I want to want to bridge that gap between our experience of hope in the natural world and this supernatural hope that really is thrilling. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That resonates so much with me. I think that I've learned a lot about hope as well in the past few years. And I think that.
It has been a confusing path because I feel like normally, and especially in this Christmas season, we equate the word hope with like joy. Like we see these paired together so often. Hope, joy, and love, you know, like how, how celebratory, how cheery hope, joy, and love. And when you're really in a season where you're pressed.
To hope and to really like, uh, like you said, like rely on it being a gift because you come to a point where you realize like, this isn't something that just comes naturally to us. It really is a gift received by the Lord. Then you start to wonder like, why is it always paired with joy and love? And is it, is it always really that joyful? So, um, can you just talk to me a more about that?
Just like, What has been your experience of learning about hope and like, what does the Lord taught you about what hope really is? Yeah. Wow. Great question. Um, I think for me more often I find faith, hope, and love together, but almost like in a cliche way, like on a coffee mug and it's like, Oh, that's sweet. Faith, hope, and love. Yeah. But really joy and joy is the same. We have this kind of saccharine, sweet, understanding a surface level understanding of what these words mean.
Joy is a gift of the Holy Spirit or a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Faith, hope, and love are infused virtues, like supernatural virtues. And so when we really get into them, faith, hope, love, joy are actually pretty gritty. They're deeper than a feeling. They're on the level of choice, um, really the level of our will. And Sometimes our will does not line up with our experience. Certainly our feelings don't line up with our experience.
Um, a couple of years ago, I was in the Holy land and I was at, um, the place of the visitation in Judea. And we were just visiting this small chapel, which historically, traditionally is the place where Mary encountered Elizabeth. And as you walk into this little chapel, kind of beneath the church, Um, there are murals up all around the chapel of that moment, and then the moments following, you know, Elizabeth and John fleeing into the wilderness.
But if you pay attention, when you walk in, um, there are two murals kind of arched right over the entryway, and you could almost miss them because they're really stark. One woman is, is dressed in purple. Her eyes are closed and she's carrying a cross in one hand and a chalice in the other. And she's very placidly kind of standing with her eyes closed, but she seems very peaceful. And on the other side is a woman just draped in green in a barren desert and her eyes are wide open.
And she, it's like, she's looking right into your soul and her hands, are, are clasped and her feet are bare. And I, I just recognize them immediately as faith and hope that this is really a personification of hope. It's like your eyes are wide open. Um, you're not ignoring the hard things, but you have your gaze fixed on the Lord and your hope is in him. And that mean, that might mean you, you have nothing, but you have hope. It really is.
What it means is, is this deep reliance on God's goodness and his reality with those hands clasped and even like shoeless in a desert. Like, no, I choose to hope so that if I'm honest for me personally, that's where hope really got a hold where I'm like, I don't think I know what hope is because I don't feel that way. And I don't know that I even want to feel that way, you know? Wow. That is really beautiful. I, uh, do you know what the image is called? Is there a name for that?
I would love to look it up. I've never found them, but I'll send you the pictures if you want to put it like in your show notes. Yes. I think that would be so, so beautiful. I love that. Um, Okay. I do have more that I want to ask specifically about this devotional. Um, I was through the description and it was talking about how it kind of walks through the life of different women in the Bible. And so it focuses on Eve, Sarah, Ruth and Mary.
So what do you feel like drew you guys to these particular women as examples of hope? How do they reflect, um, facets of hope in their stories? Yeah, well, I think we love scripture. It's, it's central to our mission and our ministry at Blessed Issues. The core value for us is the irreplaceable value of the word of God and really that we only come to know him and ourselves through the His word through his, what he reveals about himself in his word. And it's the same for Liz.
Liz Kelly has, um, she's a spiritual director. She's a writer. She's just saturated in scripture. She like speaks just so naturally what her understanding of the world and her life is all kind of through the lens of scripture. And so we knew like all of our devotionals, we wanted it to be rooted in scripture.
And I think if you don't, um, If you don't root a conversation on hope in in the real practical lives of women, you run the risk of it being that like saccharine sweet or theological, esoteric, and it's like out there and abstract versus this is how it looks lived in a real life, you know, in a woman's life.
And so we looked primarily through the Old Testament, um, but kind of wanting to capture because hope ultimately is about like the revelation of Jesus Christ and in particular in the advent season, the revelation of his life and our salvation. On Christmas Day. We wanted to see that salvation history unfold. Um, we wanted to see hope unfold through salvation history. And you can see in the lives of these women that their hope.
Hope grows, hope is purified, and hope is lived more courageously and more confidently the closer we come. And so I think we can learn a lot coming from, like, our first, you know, Eve, like, at the fall, the fall of hope, really, um, she's lost her hope. In who God is and who he says he is and can't we all relate to that?
And then kind of the implications of that I think too something that's really special about this devotional is that you're getting women in different states of life So for example, um, we'll take just sarah and ruth. So sarah is, is barren, but is married, and that's such an ache for so many women. And then Ruth has been widowed, and yet her story of God's ultimate provision and redemption of that story is through marriage.
So, there's kind of a lot of ground covered in terms of the practical experience of women who will be reading it. I love that. I love, um, when we're able to take scripture and really apply it to our daily lives. And I think I love that you guys went into the Old Testament. I think that's, uh, intimidating to a lot of people to kind of like dive into the Old Testament. And I personally have wanted to learn more about the women in the Bible and kind of more about what their stories are.
So I'm excited to dive into this one and, and just learn more from These women of scripture, you describe them as women on their way. That caught my eye. I, I, I just, I love the thought of that. So can you share more about like, what does it mean to be a woman on, on your way? What does it mean to be like a bearer of hope? Yes. Oh, I love that phrase too. To be honest, Mari, the whole introduction just like moves me to my core.
Every time I read it, the way Liz lays out, First of all, her own relationship with hope, which is really compelling. Like she says, I'm full to the brim with it. And that's something I did. It's something God has done for me. It's, it's. That alone gives hope that like, I could be a woman of hope. I could, my hope could be full to the brim. So much so that it's overflowing and now I'm a bearer of hope to a weary world. And, and bring the joy of Jesus.
The, the fulfilled hope of our hearts that is God became man and heaven is open to us. Like, I, I want to, And I think it's really important for us to be able to live with that kind of hope and joy and openness so that other people experience it too.
So, maybe that was the second part of the question about, that's what it looks like to be a bearer of hope, but women on the way, It's such a Liz Kelly way to phrase, to phrase that, and it really captures something so beautiful about each one of those women in scripture. But I think even more than that, it's hope for us because you and I, all of your listeners, we too are women on the way, meaning that we're not there yet. This is a work in progress. Our hope.
Amen. Amen. Is a work in progress and that's okay. Hope grows, um, the virtue of hope in us grows as we seek the Lord and ask him to infuse us with that virtue, because it's not about working harder. It's not about, um, it's not about doing it on our own. And it's really a posture like our lady of receiving. The hope that is already ours. I love that. And I love how you described it. Like it's almost like a journey.
Like hope itself is a journey and it's a place where you arrive and then, and then all of a sudden it moves and you have to go back to it and find it again. And I think that's been my experience in hope as well as like those are the places where you, the Lord has given you this gift of hope. And you're like, Oh, I found it. This is what hope is like, you know, and there almost is.
A little bit of a, of a joy in that even, even if it is amidst, um, waiting for an answered prayer, there's still just like in hope, there's just like the joy of knowing who Christ is and knowing that like our hope is really rooted because we know who he is and that's who we're placing our trust in. And that's why we're able to hope because we know who is behind. Um, just mm-hmm, everything really. Um, but at the same time.
I think with anything in the spiritual life, sometimes you feel like you finally grasp something or you overcame something or you got it. And then a few years later, or a few months later, you're, you're back kind of in the same place. And you're like, what happened? I thought that I already knew what hope was, you know, I thought I already figured it out and you're, and you're like relearning. So I love that you described it as a journey. Cause I think it is.
And, and through different parts of our life and different seasons of our life, it may come and go. And I feel like that's something that maybe the devotional touches on as well, of just like, Hope isn't something that we can just grasp onto a hundred percent of the time. Sometimes it, um, sometimes it flees and flourishes as you, as it says in the devotional. So can you share more about that?
Like what are some of the barriers we feel like that come in between us and really feeling this virtue of hope? How can we overcome? Yeah, I love that question. And actually I'd love to just share it in light of, of what you just talked about, but it seems like.
We finally understand hope and we've like kind of put a put a stake in the ground like yes I'm gonna have hope i'm gonna believe god and then suddenly it's like wait what and I would where I think I don't want to say challenge But actually where I would encourage you and all of us is that actually hope doesn't leave but hope grows so you the hope that you Have received from the Lord and that you've believed in him for in certain situations, um, in the words of C. S. Lewis, like further up and
further in. So then another situation comes up and we need a fresh infusion of hope, kind of like that daily manna for the Israelites in the Old Testament. They were fed yesterday. That hope was enough for yesterday. It didn't go away, but it's not enough for the next day. There's more and always with the Lord, there's more. So you have more hope than you think, but we do have to keep seeking the Lord because he just desires.
Even as I'm like explaining this, I just have this sweet image of like a little baby bird, you know? And when it's been, um. When it's been hatched, like without its mother, maybe it's sick, like a baby bird is fed, like with a dropper. And that's kind of what it's like with the Lord. And I think most things with most grace, it's like their little stomachs can only handle so much. And so God only expects of us.
As much hope as he's given us, and then we have a new situation there, there's a new need. There's a new urgency or fear in our lives. Well, we need fresh hope for that. So again, you have hope, you have lots of hope, but there's even more with the Lord. I love that. The thought of that, of just, it's not really that it goes away, but it's just. You, you constantly like your heart expands almost and is in need of more like in the spiritual life.
I love what you said, like further in and further up. Is that what, is that the quote from C. S. Lewis? Yeah, further up and further in. Yeah, further up and further in. Um, yeah. And I mean, just like, wow, that's so true. Like the, the more we come to know the Lord, the more we're expanded, the more our faith is deepened, the more our relationship with him is deepened. And I loved also the analogy of the little bird because it. He's got to be fed by someone, right?
He's not going to seek the water on himself because he can't yet. And so that just as a reminder of like, to be able to grow more in this hope, to receive more of this hope, like we have to be so closely fed by the Lord. We have to be so closely seeking him. Cause again, we talked about how It's, it is a virtue and it is a gift. Like it's truly a gift that is received by the Lord.
And it's not like something we can just manufacture ourself, which, which means we have to be like closely following him closely, like developing that relationship with him and. really continuing to nurture that virtue of hope. Um, and so a little bit about that. Like, especially I feel like when we're feeling distant, maybe we're feeling distant from God, maybe we're feeling discouraged.
Like what are some practical ways that maybe we can share with our listeners of how to nurture that virtue of hope? Goodness. Yeah. There's so many thoughts coming to me because the truth is we need hope every single day. We don't only need hope for these. I mean, I don't know if you're like me, but like hope in my experience for many years was around one thing and it was vocation. I didn't really see hope as relating to Just the ins and outs of my daily life.
But that was again, a narrow, a limited view, a human view of hope. Um, it was really more in line with that definition of like, I want this thing to happen. Not actually what the virtue of hope is. So, um, yeah, I, I would say, first of all, and this is probably so simple. Many of us don't even think about it. We have to ask for the virtue of hope. We have to ask the Lord to give us hope. And there's nothing wrong with saying my hope is really weak.
Like I glory and saying to the Lord pretty much every day. I'm so weak. I'm so little. I'm a mess. And that's not something to be ashamed about that because that place of poverty is actually a place of capacity where God can come and fill us with what we need, give us what we need. So to just say, I need hope. I don't have any hope. And live. Very beautifully again in this like opening epistle.
I just love that she called the introduction and opening epistle because it's a letter from her heart to ours. She extends her hope in the same way that God gives hope as a gift. She speaks about how we're connected as a body of Christ. And because she's full to the brim with hope, we can borrow hers. And so I've, I've prayed that. And actually the Lord even.
Um kind of calibrated that a little for me because I remember after reading this I was just very Hungry for hope and like convicted that my hope was really natural and human and limited And I remember thinking like yeah, I want to take her up on that thought I want to borrow some of her hope and then I thought wait a second I could, you're telling me I could borrow the hope of the Blessed Virgin Mary who has perfect hope. So I started praying in that way too.
So, I would say, like, at a baseline, the best and simplest thing that we can do is ask God. Like, I don't have a lot of hope. Um, Please give me hope. Infuse me with hope. And then I would say related to that is to be honest in prayer and to say my hope is lacking because, um, I'm having a hard time hoping God because I'm mad at you because I feel like you let me down because this person let me down because I'm still waiting for this.
Um, so that honesty in prayer as well, just kind of opening up when we open up the conversation, really we're opening up our hearts. That's, that's the gift of vulnerability and, and God comes in not only with hope because he's not primarily about solving our problems like, Oh, you're in pain, here's some hope.
He answers with himself and he is hope, uh, so hope comes, but he's coming first and foremost to be one with us, to be in relationship with us, to comfort us with his very presence, with his spirit. Um, and then I would say, too, not just because the book is really all about Scripture and walking us through the story of salvation history through the lens of hope, but I think hope, like most things, is a beam throughout all of Scripture.
And so anytime, You pick up God's word and you have an intention or a desire and you begin to read scripture through the lens of hope, the Holy Spirit will unveil connections, stories, um, versus he'll highlight words for you to help bolster and build that hope again, the hope that you already have, but grace builds on nature, right? As the church says, so we may have a very natural.
Sense of what hope is and god says, okay, let's level that up And I think that's what scripture does it elevates it because god's word is living and active It's affecting something in me as I read it.
Gosh. Yeah, that is so beautiful I so resonate with just that honesty and prayer and just really do um Just like bury bury yourself to the lord and just be so real, you know, and I think a lot of times we You know We shy away from that and we feel like either the Lord, you know, doesn't want to hear that, you know, doesn't want to hear our appointments or, um, or, or, or that it's just rude to do so.
And I think like, there's obviously a way to be respectful to the Lord while still really just honestly and blatantly sharing, um, whatever it is that it's on your heart. And even like, just like desperately asking like, Lord, like, Come to me as hope, please, you know, come fill me. Yeah. Um, I think one more thing that I would yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Well, I was just going to say, I actually think it's respectful to be honest with the Lord.
Um, even in our more unpleasant emotions, you know, we might be afraid of coming as ungrateful. Um, we might kind of know in the depths of us, like I, I don't really have this right.
I, I have a sense, like, I know who God is, I know that he's good, but he doesn't feel very good, so instead I'm going to pretend, like, and there's something to be said for making an active faith and, like, cooperating with the grace, making an assent to what we know to be true, but I actually think It moves God's heart when we bring him our unpleasant emotions because what we're saying to him is I trust. I trust this relationship enough that I can be honest with you.
Even when it's ugly, even when I'm a mess, I trust. That your commitment to me, that you're not going to leave just because I'm angry or I'm grateful or because I don't understand. So I think it's profoundly respectful actually to be honest with God in all of its forms. Yeah. I so second that. I love that. The other thing I was going to say that came to mind as we were talking about like, what can be helpful for someone that's, you know, Um, just like struggling to find hope.
Um, I think something that's been helpful for me too. And it's funny that I talk about this in the season of Advent, but it's honestly praying, um, post crucifixion. And so, I mean, we can pray with the nativity and be like, okay, the Lord is born and there's just this hope.
And you just imagine the people then like, there's this hope of like the Messiah and like, It's almost hoping the unknown, like they know they were promised a messiah, but they're not really sure how that's supposed to play out and how they're supposed to be saved. Um, but we know the story. So we, it's like, like I said, like, we know who we're hoping and we know what we're hoping and truly we're hoping in the resurrection. Like, we, we see, we, we know the story of the Lord is born.
He goes through his ministry goes through the passion. He's crucified. He goes into the tomb and then he rises and something that I feel like the Lord always promises us, right? Is that there is always glory behind the cross because there's always a resurrection. And so, in those moments, when we find a lot of difficulty in hoping might be those moments where we just feel like. Either we know the Lord is here and we just don't really know what the, what the plan is.
We don't really know how it's going to go. It's hard to find hope. Or maybe you're in, um, you're relating to the Lord in the crucifixion where like, you feel like you're laying your life down and you're not really sure. Maybe like, like why, right?
Like why this crosses in your life, or maybe you're just in the tomb and you're waiting and you're really like waiting for, uh, yeah, for the Lord to, to, to bring you your answered prayer or to just show up in your life in different ways, but when we hold on to the resurrection, I feel like that's, that to me has been so helpful because that is the Lord, right? That is the hope of the Lord of like, post this cross, there is a resurrection. And I think that.
It's almost like, it's funny to bring it up while we're talking about Advent and the Lord being born. But in the end, I mean, you, in the beginning, you talked about like this, this whole salvation history and like, how blessed are we that we like, we have the full picture. Um, at least this is first coming and how that played out and the promise that we have of a resurrection in our life too, and that we can hold on to hope through that. Wow. I'm, I'm really moved by that.
You're introducing something to me because I think when we look at salvation history, We're looking at it from a human perspective. So we're watching it unfold linearly, but God is outside of space and time. So that little baby born in the nativity is the same one life that suffers and dies and is resurrected. And so I almost feel like. You have really discovered something powerful. I don't, I'm kind of at a loss for words because what you're suggesting is, is praying with hope fulfilled.
So when we're struggling to hope, we actually do get to, this is so cheesy, but it's like we do get to skip to the good part. Like, we do know the end of the story. There is a fulfillment of all of our hope. At two. And again, because we're on earth and in space and time, even that is like a shadow, that's, um, a precursor, right. Of the beatific vision, but we know that it's true because he rose.
And so to meditate on hope fulfilled when we're struggling with hope, I think is a really beautiful practice. Well, thank you. That truly is just the Holy spirit in my prayer life. I'm glad I rested with you. Hopefully that's something that. Yeah, we can all take away and continue to pray with, but, um, yeah, I guess just to wrap it up. Do you have any other words of encouragement for our listeners as they enter into this season of Advent?
And, um, really, how can they practically invite Christ to restore their hope in this season? Oh, wow. Yeah, you know, I just not, I, I'm always a little shy to say this, but the truth is I want every single woman to read this Advent devotional because I know how it changed my life. It changed my relationship with Jesus. It changed my relationship with hope because of the anointing on Liz's life and, um, the courage. that she exudes.
Liz Kelly wrote this Advent devotional while she was in the midst of chemotherapy for a second round of breast cancer. And so for for Liz, she called it her chemo recovery project. And she speaks about how the word actually affected in her what she wrote about. He leveled up her hope. As she wrote about it and that the power of that comes through on every page of this devotional, she lived it first.
And she said to me recently, like, if this Advent devotional was just for me, it would have been enough. Like it has that eternal significance for. And now for mine, so we're two for two. And I hear that again and again from women who have already read it, who we shared the devotional with because honestly, I just couldn't keep it to myself.
Because I think no matter if you're aware of a poverty of hope in your life or not, the truth is we have one, because we're, we live in a fallen world, and we desperately need help to hope, and the way, the stories that Liz told us, tells, um, not only from her own life, but she shares, um, the stories of other women in her own life, women in scripture, stories from spiritual direction from her own prayer. There's so much in here about identity.
For me, it was a great, um, relearning that hope is about everything and hope is for everything. So particularly, I think as I was preparing for For this conversation and revisiting it, I really felt the Lord highlight, um, just his desire. To deepen our understanding of our embracing of our identity as, as his beloved daughters.
And I think even, even as I say that, I know we can kind of be numb to that language, but until we know, like in every cell of our body and, you know, in the depths of our bones that we belong to him and that he loves us.
Um, we still have, we still have further to go, you know, so yeah, I just particularly for someone who is not only kind of obviously in need of, or struggling with this idea of what hope is, but for wherever you are on the spiritual journey, I would encourage you to embrace this need of hope again, because we have those weekly themes in Advent, um, and even though it's. It's kind of a slower season. We understand that the truth is it does move quite fast between those four themes.
And so I think taking this time with a single author to just prayerfully focus on this theme of hope, my relationship with hope, my relationship with hope himself, I think. Yeah, we'll change every, every woman's heart. I love it. I'm excited to go through it myself. Oh, good. Me too. Me too. And I'm just so glad that we were able to have this conversation. Um, just cause like I said at the beginning, I feel like hope is, is so elusive sometimes.
And it's a little bit looked over as to like what it truly is or, um, almost seems like a fluffy word. Sometimes when really. You get into it and there's density in that. It is not a fluffy word at all. So, um, thank you for coming on and chatting with us and helping us grow in this virtue. Where can we find this devotional more about you and Blessed Is She? Oh, thank you so much for having me. It truly is my joy to, Talk about the Lord. Talk about this devotional. Um, so it's been my joy.
Thank you. Um, You can find Blessed Is She Anywhere and everywhere online blessedishe. net or on any social media platform.
I'd love to connect with you In fact this year this advent we're offering even virtual small groups If you like want to go through this with someone which I would highly recommend Um, whether that's just texting a girlfriend, doing the devotional with your small group, um, but to kind of go again, go all in on hope in the context of community will deepen the graces and multiply them for others. Beautiful. I'm so happy to hear about those virtual small groups.
That's something I talk about all the time at communities. So needed in the journey of faith. So highly recommend looking into those. Well, thank you so much, Beth. This has been such a wonderful conversation. Oh, gosh. Thank you so much.