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IM Algebra 1 Unit 5 Lesson 14

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Episode description

An AI-generated short discussion of an Illustrative Mathematics lesson to help educators prepare to teach it. 

The episode is intended to cover: 

  • The big mathematical ideas in the lesson
  • The main activities students do
  • How to make it interesting for young people
  • Possible misconceptions and how to deal with them.

Transcript

Speaker 1

Okay. So today, we are diving into Yeah. Percentage change.

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Right.

Speaker 1

And this is something that I think Yeah. We probably all have to deal with at

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some point

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in our lives.

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A lot of the time.

Speaker 1

Whether it's sales or taxes or tips or whatever. It's like these percentages are always floating around out there.

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Right.

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But, I think what's really interesting is that there's, like, a lot more really interesting math Absolutely. Behind the scenes of all those percentages.

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Absolutely.

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So today, we're gonna be looking at a lesson plan

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Okay.

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That's designed for teachers.

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Okay.

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But I think, honestly, this is something that, like, anybody can get something out of.

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Absolutely.

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And it's called recalling percent Change.

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Recalling Percent Change. Okay. Yeah.

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I like it. So what I think is so cool about this

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Okay.

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Is that it, like, really breaks down all these, like Totally. Core concepts in a way that, like, makes it make sense.

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That's the key. Yeah. You know? I think so often people get caught up in, like, just trying to get the answers, and they don't understand, like, why Right. Why they're doing what

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they're doing. Exactly.

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And so I think this lesson does a really nice job of breaking that down.

Speaker 1

Yeah. And it's not just about, like Right. How to calculate. Like, here's how you get a percentage.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But it's, like, why that matters and, like

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Why does it matter? What are the implications?

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Right. Exactly. Like, where do we even see this in the real world?

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Totally. Totally.

Speaker 1

And they actually have in this lesson plan

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Okay.

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All these different activities that cover, like, everything from, like, the price of scooters Just to, like, the mysteries of exponential growth.

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Right. I'm in. I'm in.

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So it's like

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Yeah.

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It runs the gamut. So our mission today is to kind of Okay. I don't know. Crack the code Yeah. Of these percentage changes

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I love that.

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And hopefully give you guys listening. Moment. Some

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I like it.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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So good.

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So they start off with this activity called wheels.

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Wheels. Okay.

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And they're like, okay. Picture this. You're in the market for a new scooter.

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Right.

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And you find one for a $160.

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Okay. A $160.

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But then you see this bike that you like Mhmm. And it's 20% more expensive than the scooter.

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Gotcha.

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So the question is

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Yeah.

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How do we figure out the price of that bike?

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Okay. So, I mean, the intuitive way to do that would be to just take 20% of the 160 and add that on.

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Right? Right. Exactly.

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But I'm guessing this lesson is gonna give us some sort of, like

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Well, so they shortcut? Or

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They do that, but then they're like Yeah.

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But, also You could just multiply it by 1.2.

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Okay. There we go.

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And I'll be honest. If I were, like, on the fly trying to figure this out Yeah. Yeah. I would 100%.

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For sure. Add and subtract.

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Add and subtract.

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Totally.

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But I guess my question is, like Yeah. Why is this multiplication thing

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Why is that important? Why do we care?

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Why do we care?

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Besides just speed. Right?

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Besides just speed. Right? Like, why is this important at all?

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Right. Right. Right.

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And what they say is that, like, it all has to do with this distributive property.

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Okay. The distributive property. Right.

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So, basically, instead of adding that 20%, we can just multiply that scooter price by 1.20.

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By 1.20 and get that bike price directly.

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Right. Right.

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So I get that.

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Yeah. I'm also a little bit like Okay. Why does 1.20?

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Yeah. Why does that why does that work? Yeah. Help me understand. Okay. Okay. Because,

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like, where does that come from?

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1.20, essentially, what we're doing there is we're saying a 100%

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Okay.

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Plus 20%. Right. Because 1.20 is just, you know, that as a decimal.

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Right.

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So when we multiply by that, we're multiplying by the original 100%

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k.

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And the extra 20%.

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Gotcha.

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All at once.

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Okay.

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It's kind of a cool little shortcut.

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Okay. You

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know? It's more elegant, I think.

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I mean, it is it is pretty elegant.

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It's slick. I like it.

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Yeah. It's slick. So it's not just about speed then. It's about, like, this is like

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It's about the structure, man.

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The structure of it.

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It's about the underlying structure of what we're doing. Yeah. It's It's deep, man.

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So I'm starting to see why this is called recalling percent change

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Okay.

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Because it's like Yeah. It's not just about, like Great. Here's the formula, plug in the numbers.

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It's not a formula. It's like Effectively. Concept. Understanding. Yeah.

Speaker 1

It's a concept. How this works. That's right. How it

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works.

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Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. And then this multiplication mindset. Yeah. I love that's what they're calling it now.

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Yes. The multiplication mindset.

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The multiplication mindset. Okay.

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It's really important.

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This is huge for understanding exponential growth.

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Yes.

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This is, like, setting the stage. We gotta understand this now.

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Right.

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So I'm excited to see where they go with that.

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Yes. We'll get there. Right. But before we do

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Okay.

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Let's move on to the next activity in the lesson Let's do it. Which is

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taxes and sales. Taxes and sales. Okay. Now we're talking.

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Which I know is something that

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Real world real world, we actually have to deal with.

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Come on. Now so they're like

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So what's the scenario?

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Okay. So say you wanna buy a car. Okay. And it's $12,000.

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$12. Right?

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But there's sales tax.

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Yeah.

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Of course. Right? Gotta have sales tax.

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It's 8%.

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8%. Alright.

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So they're saying there's 2 ways we can think about this.

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Okay. Hit me.

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We can do the whole, like, 12,000 Mhmm.

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Plus Plus 0.08 times 12,000.

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Times 12,000.

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Right. The classic one.

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Or we can just do 1.08

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I see where you're going.

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Times 12,000.

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Times 12,000. There it is again.

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Right. So we're seeing this, like, pattern here.

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Okay. So, like, we were saying that multiplication mindset.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Right? So, again, I'm like, okay. But Yeah.

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So what's the big deal? Why? Why is that one multiplication so important?

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Why is this important?

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I mean, obviously, it's a little bit faster.

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Right.

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But why else? Why do we care?

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Why we care?

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What does this allow us to do? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think I see where they're going with this.

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Okay.

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This is really important because what if we have multiple percentage changes? Mhmm. What if we have you know, what if they tack on, like, a dealer markup

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Right. Exactly.

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On top of that 8%.

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Like, what if

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What if there's also a discount?

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Right. Yeah. Yeah.

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Suddenly, we're talking about multiple percentage changes.

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Right.

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And if we're thinking about it this way, it's just multiplication, multiplication, multiplication.

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Yeah. Right. So it becomes like a chain?

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Exactly. It's like a chain.

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Okay. It's

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like a chain reaction.

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Gotcha.

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You know? And I think that's where this idea of exponential growth is gonna come in.

Speaker 1

Right.

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Right? Because we're talking about things changing Uh-huh. As a percentage over and over and over again.

Speaker 1

Okay.

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I'm picking up what they're putting down now.

Speaker 1

Yes. Yes. I think I am too. Alright. So this is really setting the stage for

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Yeah. Big things to come. Yeah. We've got scooters.

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Or bigger ideas.

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We've got taxes. We've got cars.

Speaker 1

Yes.

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I mean Yeah. Come on. This is exciting stuff.

Speaker 1

I know. I'm excited. Alright. Let's take a quick break Okay. And then we'll come back.

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Sounds good.

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And talk about more. Alright. So before we get too far into, like, the exponential growth stuff

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Okay.

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Let's talk about something a little bit more, I don't know, down to earth Yeah. A lot more fun, which is discounts. Okay. Everyone loves

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a discount. Come on. Who doesn't love a good sale? Exactly. So remembering back to our wheels activity with the scooter Okay. Yeah. And the bike.

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Mhmm. Let's say that scooter is now on

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sale for 35% off.

Speaker 1

Okay. Okay. So my inner bargain shopper is, like, perking up right now.

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How are you gonna figure that out? What are you gonna do?

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Well, I mean, I would probably figure out what 35% of a $160 is and then subtract it from the

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total sick. Right. The old school way. But remember that multiplication mindset.

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Here we go. Here we go.

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We don't have to subtract.

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Okay.

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We can multiply that 160

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Okay.

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By, in this case, 0.65

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Hold on.

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To get our answer.

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Where'd that come from? Okay. Where'd you get 0.65?

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So if it's 35% off

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Right.

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That means we're paying 65%. Exactly.

Speaker 1

Okay.

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So we could just multiply by 0.65.

Speaker 1

Gotcha. Gotcha.

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Right? Okay. Instead of doing 2 separate things.

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It's so funny because I I never would have Yeah.

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It's not intuitive. Right?

Speaker 1

No. It's not intuitive.

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It's really not.

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But it's like yeah. Of course. That makes sense.

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Once you see it

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Yeah.

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It's like, oh, okay. Okay.

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Like, I get it. I get it.

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It makes sense.

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So this is, again, not just a shortcut.

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This

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is, like, tying into this bigger picture.

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The bigger picture. Yeah.

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Right. Yeah. So we were talking about earlier

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This is where the exponential growth comes in.

Speaker 1

Okay. Okay. Tell me more.

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So, basically, any time Yeah. We're multiplying by the same factor over and over again.

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Okay.

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Like, 1.20 for that 20% increase or 0.85 for a 15% decrease. Mhmm. We're essentially modeling what's called exponential change.

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Yeah. Okay. So we've gone from

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I know. Right?

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Scooters to exponential growth.

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It's a big jump.

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It's wild.

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But it's all connected, man.

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It's all connected.

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It's all connected.

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Okay. So, like, how? Give me an example.

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Okay. So think about compound interest. Right? It's like the magic of finance

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Right.

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Where your money is making

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Money on money.

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Money on money. Exactly. Yeah. Because it's growing

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Right.

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On the interest that it's already earned. Mhmm. That's exponential change.

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Okay.

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Or what about, like Okay. Population growth. Right?

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Right.

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Like, let's say you have a population of rabbits. Okay. And they're growing by I don't know.

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Like, 10% a year?

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10% every year. Okay. That's exponential.

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Gotcha.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Because it's 10% on top of the previous year's 10%.

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So it's like It

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just keeps building.

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It builds.

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Yeah.

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Okay. So we're seeing this

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And that's the key.

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In the real world.

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Yeah. This is real world stuff.

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Like, this is actually how things change.

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This is not just some abstract math concept. Right?

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This is, like, how

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This is life.

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This is life. This is how things work.

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Wow.

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It's pretty cool.

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It is really cool.

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Yeah.

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But Okay. Let's be real. Yeah. This lesson plan isn't all sunshine and rainbows.

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No. Of course not.

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It's not just like

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What are they what are they what are they missing?

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Right.

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What are they not telling us?

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Because they do mention Yeah. That there are some common misconceptions

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Right. Right.

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That students and, honestly, probably all of us For sure. Have about percentages. Totally. So what are some of the stumbling blocks?

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Okay. Well, I think one of the biggest ones

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Okay.

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Is knowing when to add or subtract

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Okay.

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Versus when to multiply.

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Right.

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Right? Because it's easy to fall into that trap of thinking And that's

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all, like

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Oh, it's a 10% increase.

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Just add 10%?

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I'm just gonna add 10% to this thing.

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Right. Exactly. Right. But as we've seen, like

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Not so fast. Not so fast. Right.

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It's not always we gotta think about it multiplicatively.

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Right.

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You know?

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Like, with that car and the sales tax

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Exactly.

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We weren't adding 8%.

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Right.

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We were multiplying by 1.08.

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Right. To get that total amount.

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Right. Right. Right.

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Right. So it's not

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It's a little bit counterintuitive sometimes.

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Right. It's a little tricky.

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It's not what you would think at first glance.

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Okay. And then what else? What other pitfalls are there?

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Well, I think another big one is just, like Oh. Not understanding, like, why

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Right.

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The multiplication shortcuts work. Yeah. You know? Like, we kinda glazed over that a little bit.

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I'll be honest. I'm still a little Right. Early on it.

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It's like we're just accepting it as truth. Right. We're like, why?

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Right.

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Why does it work?

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Tell me why.

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And it all comes back to that distributive property.

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Okay.

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Which, you know, again, we could easily just be like, okay. Here's the rule. Just memorize it.

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Right. Right. But if

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we don't understand why it works

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Right.

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Then we're not really learning.

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Then what are we even doing here? Yeah. Exactly. We're just robots at that point.

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Okay. So how do we avoid these pitfalls?

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Okay. That's the $1,000,000 question. Right?

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Right.

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I think it's about asking why.

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Okay.

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Like, don't be afraid to ask why.

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Yeah. Just be curious.

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Be curious. Explore.

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Right.

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Test things out. You know?

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You'll just take things for granted.

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Exactly. Yeah. Don't just accept the formulas.

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Like, really try to understand.

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Run around with it. Yeah. See what happens.

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Okay.

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You know?

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So it's about fostering that curiosity.

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Yeah. And that's what makes learning fun.

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Right.

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You know? Fun. When you're like, oh, that's cool.

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Right. Like that moment

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I get it now.

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Where it finally clicks.

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Yes. Exactly.

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Yes. Yeah. It's so satisfying.

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It is. It really is.

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When you finally, like, get it.

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Like, yes. Yes. Light bulb moment.

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Totally. So And this lesson plan doesn't just, like, leave us hanging with all these formulas and, like

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Right.

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Concepts.

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Yeah.

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They actually wrap it up with this really cool challenge.

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Right. I like it. I like it. Hit me with it.

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Okay. So imagine a school Okay. Where the student population grows

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Mhmm.

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By 8% every year.

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8% a year. Okay. That sounds

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Yeah.

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Sounds pretty good.

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On the surface. Yeah. Yeah. Like, more students, more funding.

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Right. More teachers, potentially.

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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But then they're like

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Okay.

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Is this sustainable forever? Oh,

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good question.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Like, it makes you think.

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So it's not just about the math. Right. It's about the real world.

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Like, what are the real world implications?

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That's yeah.

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Because in the real world

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Right.

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You can't just have Unlimited growth. Unlimited growth forever.

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Right. Exactly. It makes you think about things like

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Right. Like, there's only so many

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Rim sources.

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Resources. Like, how many kids can you fit

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Space.

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In a classroom?

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Exactly.

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Right. Yeah.

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Like, at some point

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Gotta factor all that stuff in.

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Mhmm.

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Right? It's gonna level off.

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Yeah. Yeah. The real world is messy.

Speaker 1

The real world is messy.

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It's not as clean as our math equation.

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It's true. Unfortunately. That's a good point.

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But I think that's a good I'm some go It's a good reminder.

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Reality check.

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Yeah. Reality check.

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That, like

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That the math is only part of the story.

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Right. Exactly.

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Like, it's a good starting point.

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Right.

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But it's not the whole story.

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What are the other factors at play?

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Exactly. Yeah. Well, I think that's a perfect place to maybe

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wrap it up.

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Wrap things up. So big thank you Yes. To the authors Absolutely.

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Of illustrative math For creating this awesome lesson.

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For this awesome lesson plan.

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Yeah.

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And to you guys out there listening

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Yeah.

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Thanks for joining us

Speaker 1

As always.

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On this deep dive.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Thanks for diving deep with us.

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Into the world

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Into the world.

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Of percentage change

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Of percentages.

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And exponential growth.

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It's more exciting than it sounds.

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It is. It really is. Until next time.

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Until next time.

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