#117 Daniel Vasku, Complete Interview Fall 2024

It's easy to forget because I'm in such a low , low EMF environment and it's easy for me to think that I'm , that I'm good till till I'm not , you know . So today I'm , I'm very good and happy to see you .

But you know , being Dutch , coming to this kind of weather is actually still pretty , pretty amazing .

Yeah , so I pulled a little piece out of your letter and posted it as a note , and it was when you were talking about forgetting that you're sensitive because you're living in a more or less pristine area , and then you go to town and you really realize how much the world is being poisoned and it just yeah it just makes me wonder about everybody else who

doesn't have a a pristine area .

They feel like hard and and pressurized and and it's , it doesn't feel good , it's , it's , it's , it's a bit of a scary feeling , I must admit , uh , when I really , um , you know , tune into it . Uh , it's the part I I like least of being exposed , that it feels somewhat permanent yeah , hopefully it'll stop before cataracts oh , dear , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .

That is , it still has about 60 microwatts of exposure on that beach and it feels very different if I have my head towards the mountain range where the cell towers are on or if I use my skull basically as a blocking .

But if my eyes are directed to that I can start to feel it quite quickly within you know , five to ten minutes it starts to um , yeah , leave it , leave an impression .

And then he went on and he mentioned the one test animal , a dog that they wereadiating , turned to face the radiation directly , you know , because it's being emitted from a horn , you know a directional RF horn , and he noted that the dog turned towards it .

And I've if it , if that was just to avoid the discomfort of sort of heating one side and and not the other , and so he was , the dog was just trying instinctively to to minimize it or what was going on there .

As I was walking up the hill , I could feel it on the opposite side of where it was coming from , because I felt a heating patch on my skull . It was just slightly warmer and that made me realize , oh , this is maybe my water lens of the brain is actually focusing the bundle on the other side .

It was all the opposite of where I thought and once I started to pay attention to that , I could notice that while driving or sitting in a car , I could feel the cell towers doing exactly the same thing on the opposite side . So , yeah , we can't really feel maybe the radiation in itself , but we can feel the effects if you tune into it .

That subtle elevation of temperature , that little bit of heating , is something you would totally easily miss unless you are , you know , tuning into it .

What do you feel like talking about today ?

I could talk a bit about my experience with Starlink this week , because it's been an ongoing saga and I think there's maybe some relevance for people that are living more rural and having to find a way to be on the internet , like like myself . Um , that's maybe , maybe something that that I can add something useful to it .

I want to hear your thoughts first and then I'll share , because you had some experience , like really relevant experience , in the last little while , and so why don't you tell people what what you've done there ?

And for people who haven't seen our first interview , you are had the courage to leave behind what most people would consider to be a normal life and sought out a place where you could live comfortably in a pristine electromagnetic environment and have been enjoying living in that remote place and feeling better while you're there .

And yet there is this hunger for community that's difficult to satisfy , and there's a hunger , and your part , a big part of your artistic expression is through technology , right , and so why don't you pick it up from there and talk about how you get on the internet ?

But I wasn't happy with how much um energy scatter it would create , like even though I had it um sealed in a , in a sort of a dish , a directional dish , so that the most of the energy would go towards the cell towers , and I thought that that could work .

But I realized it was scattering a lot on the leaves and the trees in in the pathway , so I was just basically polluting my own sanctuary here . And so for the second option , I went to .

So this radiation is being projected in an area where then it bounces back in the leaves , and just that amount that's bouncing back is enough to make you sick . Is that , yeah , what you were experiencing , yeah absolutely .

They can go pretty much through it , except metal and water have more reflective qualities and and the water itself is also a bit absorbent , uh , so it's like pretty much everything looks like a jellyfish , I think to to .

If you could see in that spectrum of , of uh , of the , the radio waves that we're using to beam over data , and you know , in some ways I would be better off not to bother with this whole Internet thing and just not use technology . And , like you said , it is part of what I really enjoy doing . I love the whole tech .

Sometimes I feel sorry for myself that I can't use all that new stuff , including the AR and VR and the drones and all that , but yeah , it just makes me really sick . So I'm in my quest to find a way to be able to connect with with the world , like with you here now .

Um , I've been trying to find different ways , how to how to connect to the internet and you know , ideally I would just have a cable that I plug in and it's all sweet and it's good and there's not much extra EMF fields coming from it , and that'd be the end of the story .

But in this case there is no cable coming to this rural property , and so I had two options .

One is to try 4G modems , and that , like we just discussed , that created too much of a dirty environment , as in there's more electric or radio frequency fields being scattered around , basically made it impossible for me to be outside and have the modem on at the same time , so I would have to switch it on , go back into my caravan and then be sort of safely

shielded . So with my second experiment was with starlink , and that that was a bit scary , because I know that starlink is operating at a frequency that I can't measure .

Um , so for people to know that a lot of the basic measuring tools that we use , like the Safe and Sound Pro , are up to 8 gigahertz and the Starlink is actually communicating with the satellites at 12.8 , I believe , and so that also doesn't get picked up by the millimeter wave meter . So it falls just right in between .

But I've placed it on the property in a space where it's optimally aligned to the sky so that it can pick up the satellites properly . It's on a long pole and it's away from where I am . Generally , when I walk past it I can feel it like within a couple of minutes . I've forgotten about it a couple of times .

Then we were standing up there with other guys talking blah , blah , blah , and then I started to feel nauseous . Quite quickly I realized , realized , oh , hold on , uh , the antenna is there . So a I was hoping that the dish , how it's , how it's designed , it , should be only emitting the signal up straight to the sky , to the satellites .

So my , my hope was that if that is done properly , it should just only beam upwards and not scatter to the sides or down . But I don't think they've done a very good job on that and yesterday I went into a deep dive trying to improve the situation .

Because not only do we have to deal with the signal going up to the sky in that range that we can't measure and it is affecting me , it is also incredibly noisy , as in dirty electricity noisy device , the Starlink is putting out so much dirty electricity . Starlink is putting out so much dirty electricity it's absolutely horrendous .

So I have a static meter , a dirty electricity meter , to see how the grid power which is powering the Starlink , how it is with and without the Starlink . And when I don't have the Starlink on it , it's about 380 millivolts . When I don't have the Starlink on it , it's about 380 millivolts , which is kind of normal to be expected from a grid power source .

And if I put a filter onto it , a static filter , it goes down to 11 millivolts . I personally still don't like AC at all . I can't really be with it for too long .

But if it's a clean ac or clean ish , I I can , you know , use a power tool for maybe an hour , two hours and I'm , funny enough , more capable to work with that than with rf exposure from wi-fi or bluetooth . But as soon as I plug in the starling it goes up to 2700 and even beyond the measuring scale of the .

The static meter goes beyond 3000 millivolts and even with the filter it still stays up , you know , around the four or five hundred millivolts . It's an incredibly nasty noise that comes from it .

With another meter it says it's more like a radio meter , it's a german e-smog meter which doesn't have , like it doesn't have uh like a um , uh , very nice working scale . It's a bit uh , just with lights . I mean it's . It's a good indication , but the sound of it is very sensitive and very precise .

It has helped me a lot with figuring out where something was coming from . So I noticed that that same sound signature with the starlink machine itself is actually traveling over the ethernet cable . And uh , it's . It's about 200 meters away from here with a router and a switch point in between .

So I've done a lot of things to make sure that it was done properly . But all the way down at the end of the line , this nasty it sounds almost like a Star Wars fighter or something . It's really nasty .

It's different than your normal AC sound , and that nastiness travels over the Ethernet cable , goes into my dongle , goes into my laptop , then from my laptop goes onto my keyboard , which both are electrically shielded and grounded with a mesh , and it just suddenly puts all that energy still on there .

It's in fact so bad that if I uncouple the Ethernet cable , my grounding sheet in the caravan picks it up , even when it's not connected . I don't know exactly what kind of nastiness it is , but there's not a single device that I possess that is putting out these kind of fields , like whatever they've done with Starlink .

It is amazing how it catches all the data , how it can communicate with the satellites whizzing over at 17,000 kilometers an hour . It is an absolute marvel of engineering . But what they've done with the dirty electricity and what it puts out , and the fact that it puts it out on an Ethernet cable , a Cat6 cable , is inexcusable .

I think I don't know what kind of corners they've cut or they just really don't care about that part , but it makes it almost impossible for me to use it , which is a . You know , I do want to be on the internet , but it's the one thing that I'm struggling with trying to uncouple . I've put it sorry I'm on a rant here , but I've .

I've tried to put um even a media uh converter , which is an optical uh fiber setup , to uncouple this , this dirty electricity , from reaching me . But that had a whole another set of problems in itself with with high frequency rf um , um emitting from from these things . So I'm back to square one and I'm , yeah , I'm not quite sure what to do with it .

The , the static filter , has helped a bit , I mean , has helped a lot to bring it down the ac , but it hasn't done that much for all the energy that is coming down the ethernet cable . So , yeah , that was a bit of a run around .

But , yeah , I've got good internet , but it's the one big dirty source in my life right now that I am struggling , struggling to get rid of . Because , uh , yeah , I , it does affect me . Um , to a point where , yeah , if I , if I'm not around computer , not around that ethernet cable , I feel a lot better .

I mean don't get me wrong , still better than wi-fi , you know by a lot .

But , um , I wish that engineers would understand that there is a biological effect from non-thermal , that there is a non-thermal effect from these kind of frequencies , and if they would take that into account , I don't think it would have to cost a lot to make technology a lot more safe a lot more safe .

But there is this effect around the square , you know , sort of block antenna that you get with the Starlink and you can't be near that and one of the big challenges is that you can't measure that particular frequency range of radio frequency radiation .

So you can't go , for example , and take a Safe and Sound Pro 2 up to this square antenna that comes with a Starlink and see how safe a distance is , because it won't read at all and yet the millimeter wave , uh , meter , is too high , so it's sort of hiding .

The starlink radiation is sort of hiding between these two instruments ability to see and therefore you you can't know how , what , what the safe distance is .

And what I think is tragic is people are putting these things on their homes and on their rvs and uh yeah , they're just not aware and people generally uh feel like it's a , a curse , be poisoned , electrically poisoned to such a degree that you can feel , and not in a good way , but feel the synthetic radiation all around you , including , as you just mentioned ,

ac electricity . However , it does give you and I a benefit when we are in a casual situation and then we , we begin to feel those symptoms . For me , brains , the brain fog , or a difficulty with speech , or heart palpitation , something like that is is like the first to manifest , and I know you have some similar , but maybe not the same symptoms .

Anyway , that that causes you or I to look around and say , well , this is a problem around here , I gotta leave . And it isn't a matter of looking at something and then seeing , uh , you know the nocebo effect . It's more like well , I'm where . Oh , okay , that's what's making me sick . So , just just so that people might understand that .

And then there's the whole issue of okay , how do you get the Internet data to and from that Starlink antenna module ? You know you can place it far enough away from where you're going to be using your computer to be safe , but how do you get it then connected to your computer ? Of course you don't want to use Wi-Fi , which is the default to your computer .

Of course you don't want to use wi-fi , which is the default . But you can now , um , as I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong you , you can disable the wi-fi and hook it up to ethernet .

But what people don't understand is that all of that dirtiness , um , and and when I say dirtiness I'm talking about the radio frequency radiation that's being , uh , freely liberated in the environment of that thing it does follow that cable all the way back to the computer and the electronics .

How it is using the alternating current or ac power to power that device . It has to be changed from alternating current to direct power to power that device . It has to be changed from alternating current to direct current to power the circuitry and whatever's going on in there .

It creates a huge mess with regard to dirty electricity that then gets coupled along your electric power cord all the way back to your house and then corrupts everything on the house .

And then , um , daniel has tried , uh , what would be a great fix if it , if it had worked , which is , you go ahead and you break the um ethernet cable not break it , you just don't bring it all the way back to the house and you put it to an optical coupler , so it's now turns into light energy that goes across a non-conducting cable .

So it it doesn't allow that radio frequency radiation to travel along the Ethernet cable anymore and go into your home . But these devices on either side are problematic in and of themselves because they produce a bit of the same effect . As you know , that hash that you're getting , that travels along the wires and the last factory is the dirty electricity .

How do you mitigate that ? And it it's it really copious . I've seen the oscilloscope readouts for what that will do to the , the power system . So have I got all that correct and including the part about now you can disable the Wi-Fi and use Ethernet and whatnot . Correct me if I'm wrong .

I wonder , maybe they had too much problems with that same sort of dirty signal on it and maybe that's why they thought , oh , let's not bother with it and just omit that . And then by popular demand they did bring it back , but just didn't really complete the job properly .

So , yeah , oh , and to understand , if you want to make proper use of the Ethernet , you actually have to switch out or switch off the whole router part of the Starlink . So when you do that , you're basically back to square one where you can only use one device on the Starlink .

So you have to add a router , an external router , that then can give out the addresses so that you can have multiple devices on the Ethernet . That's the only caveat that there is now with it .

But , yeah , yeah , including the whole optical coupling , which was a real sad moment because I thought , yes , yeah , I got it right , this is gonna work yeah yeah , yeah , yeah , and you know it might work for some people who are not profoundly sensitive .

Nowadays it's a lot more people that are starting to catch on to it and I compared a little bit to the moments like in the 90s when you know , everybody was smoking and there would be one person going like it's bad for my asthma , or you know , and the rest of us were like , well , I don't know , it doesn't affect me , I can smoke as much as I want .

And yeah , maybe if we smoke two packs then , yeah , you might feel not too great . But you know , my granddad became 80 or 90 . So there's a enough examples of how we can just dismiss any , uh any health effects from smoking from that perspective . But does that mean that smoking in itself is not causing any harm ?

No , I don't think so , and I think it's the same with EMF . The only problem is that it's even less visible . Sometimes I feel a bit worried because I think that if you haven't experienced it .

I feel a bit worried because I think that if you haven't experienced it , if you're not feeling it or you haven't picked up what it is doing to you , it's a really hard thing to convey to people because they're kind of like , well , I don't see a problem , I don't feel it . But I think I agree with you , it is affecting each and every one of us .

It's just you know when is it going to catch up with you ? Maybe it takes 10 , 20 or 30 years before you really start to feel it . I mean I spent at least 15 years deep , deep in tech and really enjoying it . I mean it was glued to me . I would be using it all the time .

I loved it , I could do all sorts of stuff with it , and then suddenly the body was just nah , I loved it , I could do all sorts of stuff with it , and then suddenly the body was just not done . I can't handle this anymore . It's too stressful .

She's just married to me and therefore living in a shielded house with me , and the odd thing is now that she can feel when she's sick . In other words , somehow she didn't recognize that she was being harmed before and now she does . And I don't know exactly how that works , but I've heard others explain the same thing .

Spouses are those of those who became electrically sensitive , who went into pristine environments and then , when they go back into the burn what's considered to be normal now in society , they really feel the difference . So it's just an interesting thing . So here's a question about Starlink . Let's imagine that you could get it working to your satisfaction somehow .

What about the moral implications of Starlink ?

How much elevated levels are we getting in full coverage on everywhere , on everywhere ? And the estimations from what I got from that is somewhere between 0.1 microwatts up to 30 microwatts , and both numbers are still worrying to me that it is blanketing the planet with this radiation .

The only reason why I went for it , because it seems to me that having an RF connection between the satellite and my module has less life in its pathway than you know .

Going vertically seemed like a less intrusive way than going horizontally , where everything in its path is being blasted , and I don't think we can underestimate the amount of energy that's being put out by all these cell towers and all the individual modems and phones on on land .

I think both situations are incredibly worrisome and , yeah , if you talk about the moral , it's like I feel . Indeed , just by using this Internet connection , it's just as bad , as I don been wondering why can't we just have more harmonious ways of data communication and maybe through optical wires ?

I mean , if we would take this seriously as a collective , as a humanity , I'm sure we could figure ways out for it . But as it is now , I'm sure we could figure ways out for it , but as it is now , it's a very dirty business .

And every satellite that gets put up there partly because of my funding , personally putting money into the coffers , shooting up another satellite . But if I put that money into the 4G , then there's another cell tower popping up . Both ways are really undesirable .

But at the same time do I then just let go of any form of communication and not have internet and just basically be silenced ? And I think it's my duty , as somebody who is basically a canary in a coal mine , to use this medium , like you're doing , to bring it out there , because if we stay silent , people won't know what hit them .

It just becomes the new normal . We get sicker and sicker and gosh , no idea what's going on . I mean , that is basically what , what , how it is being approached . Right now it's like oh yes , fertility rates are going down . No idea what it is . Could be the chemicals , who knows , and that emf oh , it could be . Maybe you stress of where emf ?

You know they're not hearing us and it's so obvious once you , you pick up on it , it is not even a I . Yeah , that boggles me . And like what , what do you think of that ?

Like how , how is it possible that people just will not register on that level , while once you feel it , it it's so obvious , yeah , yeah um , and I'm going to answer that , but I think I need to change .

Starlink is radiating the surface of the Earth with anywhere from 0.1 microwatts per square meter to what was the upper number you thought 30 , which would be quite a lot .

And so there are people around the world right now who even know what a micro square meter is and they're thinking , that's no problem , I have a million , or I have , you know , a thousand , yeah , hundred thousand . Um , so , my friends , where you need to be is between zero and one .

I mean , if you had a , my meter just needs to be looking at between zero and one . That's where life might be able to exist . And , more to the point , I think maybe you and I agree that . Um , you and I agree that where I want to be is 0.0001 . You know , I want to be a thousand times , 10,000 times less than one .

So , although the number sounds small , we can't overlook what's being talked about . I've often said the only long-term sustainable protection any of us have against terrestrial radiofrequency radiation is terrain , because you put a mountain or a couple of mountains between you and civilization , and up to this point it's been great , and up to this point it's been great .

But if Starlink is indeed radiating the entire surface of the Earth , that means there are no more safe zones , and clearly it can't radiate the entire surface of the Earth all at once , but in an effort to provide service if you have somebody within three miles of you .

It's going to be radiating your little corner of paradise from above yeah and well , sure , you can put a metal roof on your home and that's probably going to protect you while you're in your house , but what about when you want to be in the garden ? What about when you want to be on the seashore ? So there are profound , I believe , moral implications .

Who are they to decide they can radiate the surface of the entire earth without consent , of the entire earth without consent . I mean honestly that this is , this is egregious violation of morality , and there's there's a lot of research that indicates that if you took it down , even 10 000 times less than what I would prefer , bacteria are still affected .

So you've got to ask is the existence of Starlink what caused the decimation of that insect population in that huge lake in Ireland ? I don't know if you saw that story on Arthur Furstenberg's website .

Yeah , it's one thing for a human to feel uncomfortable , and of course , daniel and I and the people that we help , we don't want that but what's it doing to the birds and the bees , right ? So that's part of the moral issue as well , and it's a good conversation about .

Like , if there's a cell phone tower sitting here , that isn't good , okay , but if you're over here and you can work out a directional antenna and have 4g lte broadband service so you can get on the internet . And , by the way , that's what I'm using right now . So I'm not . I'm not innocent here . There are people and animals downstream from me .

I have a directional antenna , so between me and wherever that 4g tower is , I'm increasing the rf intensity , however minutely . But I think it's the data that really defines the harm the amount of data as well as the intensity . So I'm to that and I don't take it lightly . I don't take it lightly at all .

So I also want to agree with what you were saying , daniel . Which is what , then ? Okay , you and I maybe are among the few people who can understand this moral dilemma . We're also among the very small population of people that understand that this new normal that's being presented is harmful .

If somebody was to ask me can people live in a synthetic electromagnetic environment ? I would say no , or not very long or not very well . But unfortunately , people are either willfully ignorant or they just don't want to understand cognitive dissonance , I don't know .

But , like I say , we not only can feel it , but we know it's harmful and we understand the moral ramifications . So then did daniel and I go without internet access , because we wouldn't be doing this right now . We have no other option . I never would have met you so profound right . I mean , this is not a . This is not a small thing , is it ?

I wonder , if they'd known , maybe they would still drink it because it was well well you know , we all have to die at some point , and it does make it taste sweet .

Now I , I think that a lot of people , um , even when they know , even when you tell them , like I've had some issues here in my community where I moved to be EMF-free , then they were using their phone to stream a movie , actually , and so using their phone as a hotspot , and it was blasting all the way into my space .

And so I went up to them like what the hell ? You know , I thought we were keeping it EMF-free and they were like , oh , I'm sorry , we didn't realize that it would reach that far .

And then the next time , again using the phone , and then , when it really came down to it , we sat down and had a real discussion about it and they were like , yeah , yeah , it's all fine that you need an emf free space , but you didn't really expect us to not use our phone , right .

And then suddenly it sounds like incredibly unreasonable and I , I think it will be very unreasonable for most people , like you can't expect me not to use my phone , you cannot expect me not to use wireless . Like what , what ? What do you think this is ?

And and then then came the second part it's like yeah , well , I have a mate who's who's been dealing with electronics for decades and he's doing fine , so can't be that bad , right ? Yeah , that's back back to square one so I have a question about that .

It's my little patch where I'm in my little caravan , just safe . So when just on the edge of that somebody is using a device and it penetrates that last bit of space , yeah , that did cause some anxiousness . Like okay , so where am I safe ? And honestly , I also really don't like to have to walk around with my meter .

You know I don't want to carry $500 to $1,000 of equipment with me all the time when I go to the outdoor loo or pick up something on the land . Wherever I go , I have to have a meter with me because I cannot trust the people around to actually have it switched off .

And and please understand , these are wonderful friends that totally understand what , what , what it does to me and they are well informed of how it affects and when , at what point . But because they don't feel it themselves , it's still , yeah , theoretical , it's not real . They haven't had this visceral experience of it .

So it's yeah , yeah , of course I won't use it , but you know , when I do use it I have to use it and and so that keeps me on my guard all the time , which is not great for the nervous system because the whole vagal system gets triggered by this constant potential threat .

Would say in the past , like , oh , why do you have your meters with you all the time ? Because that surely must stress you out , and that is actually part of the problem . Maybe you should just leave the meters and be fine to walk without it and just relax . That will be better . And I absolutely agree .

If we have a relaxed system then , yeah , things get less bad . But what they don't acknowledge is that this is a neurophysiological effect . I can't even think my way out of it because it is happening on a layer deeper . The body's response on that vagal nervous system level is autonomous . I can't even think about it .

Even when I'm not aware of it , my body can still be triggered by the radiation that's being emitted by this phone call that somebody's making not too far away from me . So , if anything , the meters help me to feel relaxed , because I know well , at least the meter will warn me and I can move out of harm's way .

At least the meter will tell me before I start to feel it , because if I start to feel it , it's already too late . I need the meters and yeah , your thoughts on that ?

Or are you always going to have a situation where , yeah , okay , everybody here is electrically sensitive and nobody wants to have any RF , you know , and then everybody feels it and it's great . Oh , but my son-in-law came to visit . I guess he brought his cell phone .

Do you think it's possible to live in community with others and and enjoy a normal electromagnetic environment ?

These are all things that we can agree on , and then , if somebody would be smoking out on the deck with a beer in his hand , it's very easy to go up to them . Hey , this is , this is not what we do . If you want to do that , do that in your private space .

The funny thing , though , is that if you smoke and drink in your private space , you wouldn't harm anybody , but if you're using your phone in your private space , you're still affecting at least 450 , maybe 100 , 150 meters around you quite directly , and possibly even further . To your question do I think it is possible ?

Um , to your question do I think it is possible ?

I I've I've gotten quite a bit more skeptical on it , because I've been dealing with this for five years now in in different forms of community , and , um , the only ones that I have seen that it really that you really can rely on it are the ones that actually deeply feel it that are are utterly harmed by it , that have felt the pain , that have know what it

means to . You know we call it innocently brain fog , but it's just . You know , the capacity of being , of thinking of , of existing , is , is a threat , and at that moment then then we can talk and have a serious discussion like are we going going to make this EMF free ? Yes , and down to what level ?

But everybody else I'm going to say maybe that not everybody will recognize , but I grew up in Amsterdam in the 80s and it was a bit of a seedy city like New York , a lot of drug use in the streets .

I saw as a kid how heroin addicts behave and later in life I realized that the most similar social interaction that I saw from those heroin junkies was the same with smokers . With tobacco smokers they get sort of whiny .

And if they don't , if they've got their , their drugs , if you've got your cigarettes or your heroin , you would find a hard time to spot the addict because their , their needs are being met . So they could seem quite normal and happy . But take it away .

Then this , yeah , I just , you know it's a sort of energy that is really easy to spot and funny enough , I see that with our internet connection , our digital technology yeah , yeah , no , it's fine . Fine , I don't need my phone , no , I don't . Oh , yeah , you know , we can do it EMF-free . Oh , no , no , no , no problem .

But you take away the internet and suddenly this oh , give me , I want it . It's an aggression . I have had so many aggressive conflicts basically with people that saw me as the reason why they couldn't get their internet fixed , why they couldn't get their social media fixed . So , yes , it is . If we're going to talk , can you be in a community without that ?

Well , you have to be with people that really want it themselves , not just doing it for me . But if that means that they can't have internet access or that they can't have their phone on them or just no , that's one step too far .

So I'm pessimistic , because even when I've put up like internet cables so that you can have your internet fixed , just not wireless , okay , here's your internet , your internet fixed , just not wireless . Okay , can we , can we ? Here's your internet , it's just not wireless . Still not good enough , you know people still .

Yeah , but I , I need my phone , I need my phone , I need to be able to be called and there's some , some notifications and things . So can you have a a heroin addict or a cigarette addict in a situation where there is some availability , when there are some people sometimes smoking or using drugs ? Probably not . Yeah , yeah .

So let's imagine now that there was a small population of people who were profoundly damaged such that they would not permit well , they would never use a smartphone or wireless anything , of course , but that they would not allow their family members who might come to visit . Imagine there were a community like that and it was successful , right .

Would it be allowed to stand ? Huh .

People could go camping , and that's pretty much it . Now the entire world has become a service area , you know , except for a few very remote places , it's . I don't think it's too far-fetched to imagine that everyone on Earth is affected by now .

It's just that they're not seeing it , because everyone has insomnia , everyone has brain fog , everyone has memory fog , everyone has memory issues , everyone has behavioral issues , and it's quite normal to die of heart disease , diabetes or cancer . Do you know what I'm saying ?

I mean , the very fabric of reality has been altered so that if there were an easy way to establish a contrast , wow , these people over here are doing great . I'm just not sure that that would be allowed to stand .

Maybe that lovely community that we're both imagining , that has a bunch of damaged people in it , so much so that they know better than to use wireless technology .

And they've cleaned up the other three factories as well the electric , magnetic and and uh , dirty electricity , and they're they're so , uh , severely damaged that their family members wouldn't come and mess that up . Would they find a cell phone tower parked inconveniently a quarter mile away ? You know what I'm saying . Am I overly pessimistic ?

I'm just dealing with so many broken people all the time , and I see the pattern over and over again .

I mean , it reminds me of how long did it take for us to sort of embrace organic food Like I've been brought up on organic food by my mom 40 years ago , organic food Like I've been brought up on organic food by my mom 40 years ago , and the resistance , and still ongoing resistance in Holland , to like by majority of people on that .

Well , there's really no difference between organic food and sprayed food . There's no proof of that and I think these days we do understand , or a larger part of the population does see the benefit of having organic foods and sees it as a single malign entity trying to push it upon us .

But it definitely is a force that keeps on going and maybe at the core there's profit-driven .

It saddens me to think that we have options and solutions and ways of living that could make paradise on earth for everyone and yet we want to stick and stay with this glitz in a way , and I understand how attractive it is and yet at the same time , you it's , it's the beautiful white interior , but if you really look , you know of a house and and and the

the convenience that comes with it , but at the same time , if you just squint you can see it's actually the gray from the borg . You know it's actually sucking the life out of you and everything around you ? yeah , I don't know .

And while the other part , which is actually the abundant , the natural , uh , the , the , the giving part , looks scary because it's like , oh , it's not , it is .

It is kind of strange and dirty , the , the off-grid life seems scary to a lot of people , while once you embrace it and have less electricity and technology around you , the happiness and the zest for life that comes with it , you can't compare that to any anything . But yeah , yeah , I do hear you so I don't know the answer .

There's something nice to it and I noticed that feeling when I was um still using my phone . I could feel the painful effect it had on me and literally quite painful . Sometimes I just couldn't bear to watch the screen , but I would still use it and I I noticed that same sort of pain stimulation I don't understand the mechanism of it .

I don't understand why we could still want to use what ? What is bad for us from smoking , drinking sugar ? Well , sugar , I mean , that's hard to see , but you know , um , yeah , why , why we keep being drawn to something that is actually physically feeling bad .

So when I was at my lowest point , which is I'm living in this beautiful homestead in a beautiful area , very remote , very few neighbors , and I realized that I had 33 years at that point of living with electromagnetic poisoning and how much it had taken from my life or diverted my life , and I knew I couldn't live in that house anymore because it was alternative

energy and by that point I'd lost everything . So I had no resources to be able to do the kind of a significant restructuring that it would take to make an off-grid home livable restructuring that it would take to make an off-grid home livable and it was a very , very difficult time .

We ended up selling the house and we didn't have the next place to go , but we thought what could happen ? We'll just take what we get from the house and we can easily find a piece of ground here in this county where we live and we'll build the house ourselves , and it all sounded great . That was the fall of 2019 .

And I think everybody knows what happened after that and the world went crazy and we began to be flooded with people seeking refuge coming into this area , and so we were stuck in this rental home up on a goat trail in the middle of nowhere , on a goat trail in the middle of nowhere and the electric power was so bad up there and I couldn't fix it because I

didn't own it . We were renting , so the whole house was turned off . I didn't have any electric power at all . It was okay , we could live that way . I had mantle lanterns , propane-powered gas lanterns for light that makes beautiful light . I got a propane powered refrigerator okay , that was good . We had a wood stove for heat .

It was wintertime , great , and I so I made some green tea and I'm not saying green tea is good for you , I think it's better than coffee . But it's got this theanine along with the caffeine .

I don't know if you ever tried it and so it gave me a lot of time to sit there and think , while I couldn't go out and work or do anything else about how did we get in this mess that we're in right now with regard to the reckless spread of harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation everywhere ? I mean in the adoption rates of things like smart tech .

Nothing in the world has ever had 90 , whatever percent adoption rate in a short period of time . If , if it were anything else , that didn't give something to people , there would be more questioning about it . So , with all of that as a preamble , I sat down to think about how we got in this mess . And people are uniquely vulnerable to three things .

People are uniquely vulnerable to three things Convenience , amusement and stimulation . So convenience is represented by the power grid . You know , first of all , you didn't have to have oil lamps or candles , you could flip a switch and you had to have light . You didn't have to carry water in a bucket , you got an electric motor for a pump .

Know , very simple things like that . And amusement oh , by the way , that brought all the disease of modern civilization , nothing more than the power grid . And then you have amusement . So think of the radio . You know , the am radio first , first of all , and the fireside chats with the president in the united states and all that business .

So that's at in the war of the worlds broadcast , which was just this great psychological operation , you know , and that was all centered around amusements . Right in the modern day , right now , that's maybe more like YouTube Watching cat videos or whatever it is you enjoy watching . And then the last factor is stimulation .

So think pornography and think social media , and both of these have this dopamine-driven response kind of thing going . It is very , very , very addictive . And so now in one device , in a smartphone , you can talk to anyone anywhere , access the internet anywhere , anytime .

So you've got all the convenience to do your banking , your community texting , you know whatever you want to do . You've got all the convenience to do your banking , your texting , you know whatever you want to do . You've got the ability to access , you know , cat videos or whatever on YouTube and then the social media and whatnot .

So what a perfect way to bait a trap . What a perfect way to bait a trap , like if you sat down and explained to people I want you to carry this radiation-emitting device with you and keep it near you 24 hours a day . Rational people would say , hey , no way .

There is far more scientific data indicating that there's cause to be concerned , some of it going back 50 years or more . We're not going to carry something emitting radiation in our pockets , are you crazy ? But you start delivering convenience , amusement and stimulation through this thing and , hey , this looks pretty good . So that's the idea .

That's the sort of brief outline of how did we get here ? and uh , how do we encourage every living person to carry a radiation device with them and keep it near them at all times ? So anyway , your thoughts on that .

I get so much more out of this medium now than I used to as a kid , from television , for example , where basically if you look at the , the quality comparison , it's absolute garbage what we would get on tv , with a few nuggets here and there of of stuff . Now it's just an .

The algorithm really understands me very well and gives me exactly that , and I'm pretty proud of my feed . It is high-quality stuff , but still it's a lot of high-quality stuff that is keeping me away from living a life and actually doing stuff and creating my own thing .

It is still , uh , an addiction and even though I've managed to squeeze out the wireless part of it , I'm still being , you know , affected by the electric fields just of my laptop and of the ethernet cable .

It's still not particularly healthy , um , and I I keep thinking about that moment that's etched in my memory of , like scrolling on my phone while covering up one of my eyes because it was hurting so much . My head was in pain and yet I would keep scrolling because , well , it's better than just being with the pain .

Better than just being with the pain and the way you describe it how it ? Yeah , it's like an ultimate drug , because it's useful , it's handy , it makes a lot of convenience , but we also project a lot of goodness onto it . That really doesn't you know . If I explain to somebody , you know , I use my phone the other way around than most people .

My phone is always on flight mode and if I need to , I will flick it on just briefly for a couple of minutes to send out a text . You could do that too . You can just flick it on when you need to call somebody and switch it off again and have bluetooth and wi-fi and data off all the time by standard .

That would save you from 98 of the radiation in a day from this device right here , and just even that idea is blasphemy . That is like oh , but I , but you mean , I know , I . Oh , I don't know , I don't know , I don't know .

I think there's a lot of mental or cognitive acknowledgement of of the uh addiction with people , but it doesn't change the behavior . You know it's like , yeah , I shouldn't , but , ah , netflix , ah well , I just want to relax . Oh yeah , I just got a little bit and and it's good that there's uh , these , these apps and monitors that show how many hours .

I mean , look at it this way the amount of people that know how many hours they spend every day and every week on it is is is high . You know , school kids know that they have a problem . They , they can tell you from stats easily how many hours they spend today on their device . They know it . We all know what is happening .

I think that that has been closed down , um , and I don't know if you would agree with that or not , but that that was what inspired me to come up with my strategic initiative number one , which was emf challenge facilities . So if you suspect that you are , uh , intolerant of wheat , some people will stop eating wheat and find out if they get better .

You know it isn't rocket science and you know that's a type of a medical challenge . There's another medical challenge where you deliberately give somebody something .

I don't know if they still do it this way , but a long time ago I had a friend who thought she might be becoming diabetic and so she told me she went in and they made her drink this terrible sugary solution and then they looked at her blood sugar later and and decided whether she was or she wasn't . So that's that's that would have been .

I'd like I say I don't know if it's the current way of doing it that would have been a medical challenge . You know , to a provocation study . But my idea was what if we had facilities ? Short-term vacation rentals are a thing , airbnbs are a thing , vacation rentals are a thing .

Airbnbs are a thing and in a few select areas that might be pristine from an EMF perspective or could be altered to be pristine , what if we had the ability for people to check in , no matter where they lived , to be able to conveniently drive you know 100 kilometers or less and get to a facility where they could go , spend a weekend or a week and see what

might happen , living in , not living in , a synthetic electromagnetic environment ? There's been a lot of interest in this idea and I actually have a friend and a client who already has a short-term vacation rental and he is very interested in and he understands the risks of synthetic EMF .

So he was already in the process of cleaning his whole house up , getting rid of all the wireless , and his house is in a place where there is no cell phone reception . There is one little spot about this big in the kitchen for some reason that picks up a signal , but other than that I can't even get a signal .

Anyway , he loves this idea of having a EMF challenge facility and so he's moving towards that , that vision , and I think how exciting would it be if we , because there's financial incentive for people who have vacation properties .

You could probably get a lot more per night in an emf challenge facility than you could get just an ordinary night or a week in a vacation home . So there's a and it's a decentralized approach , right , it isn't . It isn't this kind of centralized . We're going to do one clinic here and in a vast area . No , what if they were all over the place ?

Yeah , I think that it might be a really cool replacement or at least an adjunct for legal action and advocacy , because I don't think we're getting anywhere anymore with legal action . I think that's a well-guarded front and the advocacy guarded front , you know .

And the the uh advocacy , you know , telling people this stuff is bad , you get the same reaction that you would from the heroin addict saying you know it's bad . So anyway , your your , uh , your thoughts on that we haven't had a chance to to talk to each other about yeah , yeah , I .

the land and with good food and habits habits not just on a physical level , but also on a mental and spiritual level , where you know we learn to shed some of the bad habits from society that you know , the selfishness and the way of going forward and I've been trying to integrate the EMF part for the last good five years and seeing the challenges that come

with it , but also the incredible advantage of people actually experiencing it Because , like you said , it's not something we can just tell . You have to feel it yourself .

And even the people that think that have no , that they're convinced that they're not feeling it , if they would enter your a challenge facility , like you describe it , there there could be a click . So , yeah , I , I , I love the whole decentralized let's , let's get on on onto that .

Um , it would almost need a certification kind of way of , like a way of how , how well is this place rated ? How good is it doing on the rf , how good is it doing on the ac ? And it's also a place that I mean .

I think it's absolutely necessary to help people with that , because if you would just say , go , stay somewhere where there's no radiation and see if you feel better , but they're're not realizing that their AirPods in their pockets are still radiating them , well , I spent three nights in a tent and I feel just as shitty . So I don't think it's the EMF .

It's like well , did you have actual , proper measuring ? Do you know that there was no radiation ? Or that the person in the tent next to you didn't have their 4G going ? Oh no , but I don't have any reception . Yeah , but your phone is still emitting and your Wi-Fi is still on and your Bluetooth is still on .

So there's a lot of education that needs to go around it and some hard numbers , because , especially if it becomes interesting for people like oh yeah , yeah , we've got EMF-free . So how low is EMF-free ? Oh well , we've measured it and it's only 200 microwatts which is way lower than on the street .

It's like , yeah , okay , well , yeah , I mean it reminds me of my aha moment after being sick for more than 10 years and knowing that it was EMF .

Being sick for more than 10 years and knowing that it was EMF , I didn't realize how profoundly big the difference can be by just that last little bit , because I had my space , and then we spoke about it last time .

I had my space down to 0.1 and I thought this is good , and it was only when I was in a triple zero , when there was really nothing around , that my brain started to be so much clearer , like dramatically that I didn't realize okay , okay , this is where it's at .

That's what drove me to go live in a small caravan on a little patch in a little damp valley , because anything to help me get to that zero state is like worth it , absolutely worth it .

One isn't good enough , 10 isn't good enough , 100 , no , no , you gotta be with an appropriate meter with the right level of accuracy and sensitivity over a defined frequency range , and then , in my opinion , with third party testing , you got to get out to three decimal points . You want zero , point , triple zero , and we don't have meters that go beyond that .

I mean , I wonder what life would feel like with 0.60s at a 1 .

But , yeah , I can do well , I've recaptured my ability to think and to write , which I had lost for gosh , I don't even know how long , but it's only happened after living in an area where every night , like in the middle of the night last night , I got up at two o'clock in the morning or whatever , and I went over to my meter and , just for fun , took a

look Triple zeros , I mean all the way . I think that is best , and I think the two , what you ? I think that's , um , that is best . And , uh , I think the two measures not medical measures , just Keith's measures are are you increasing your resilience and decreasing your sensitivity .

So my benchmark is , um , my faith is incredibly important to me and going to church was incredibly important to me . It was the very last thing I was willing to give up , and when I was at my worst I had to give it up , and that meant a lot to me as a person of faith not to be able to gather with others of similar it was .

It was , um , it was crushing that . That was a very difficult thing and it yet it took me , the reason I had to quit going . It took me an entire week to recover for two hours spent in my church , and if it takes an entire week to recover , you're not recovering , and if it takes an entire week to recover , you're not recovering .

No , so you're just sinking lower and lower and lower , and that's so like in a pristine . Anyway , now I can go to church , and have been able to for years , and it takes me at most maybe a couple hours to recover , and I'll take that . I'll take that , no problem . So that's what I call decreasing sensitivity and increasing resilience .

I love to be able to take my wife out to lunch , you know , on occasion , just to really enjoy it , and I couldn't do that either , and so now I can . I can , I mean , every restaurant has poison in it as a side dish for the meal that they're serving , because they can't imagine not offering a service like wi-fi . And everybody has their idiot slave devices .

You know that they're radiating themselves and their babies and all the creation with , but no problem , I can go in any restaurant , take my wife out to lunch , enjoy a leisurely meal , not a problem . And yeah , if you're not gaining ground while the whole world is is increasing and increasing and increasing the radiation levels , that's just in my personal opinion .

That's . That's not where it's at . So since I mentioned babies , I need you to tell the United States audience , who might not know what is a pram .

And I'd just love you to tell that whole story if you would , beginning with this definition you .

I was very reluctant to go up there because I just don't want to be around people full stop because there's always phones , there's always , and it takes quite a bit to deactivate and talk through . And no , yes , I know you've got it on flight mode , but it's an iPhone , so the Bluetooth is still on and the Wi-Fi is still on .

You know , in 10 , 15 minutes I can wreck myself and then be done for the day or the next day even , and I have headaches .

But I went up there anyway with a friend and they were really interested in hearing more about my EMF side of things , because they themselves had already taken endeavors of reducing EMF exposure and asking people not to bring their phones to the festival , and so there was a lot of awareness around it .

So I thought , okay , I might as well give it a go , because you know how much better than that is going to be and I would love to be up there in the mountains beautiful , pristine nature , and it's a festival that I really enjoyed in the past when I wasn't so sensitized and there's a lot of community and beautiful energy going around .

So I went up there and I actually had a headache because I went through town and I didn't expect to do very well because I got a headache , but I held my talk and I just let it be led by the people that were there , held my talk and I just let it be led by by the people that were there .

But I thought you know what I'm gonna bring my big speaker , which is like a , a bluetooth speaker , but if I plug in the auxiliary cable it actually deactivates the bluetooth part , which is not common anymore . All the bluetooth speakers have bluetooth on all the time , but this one still allows to deactivate the Bluetooth . It has amazing sound .

It's pretty loud and I plugged that into my Safe Sound Pro 2 because I thought , well , you know , people should hear what they bring to the device and to my surprise , there was actually nothing going on except one device I could hear clearly oh , there's only one device on Knock , knock , knock , knock , knock .

And because it was going through this amplified speaker , everybody was just parked up because they were waiting for me to do the talk and they were all sitting there and you know , with with expected eyes , come and tell us at the talk . I'm like okay , first we're going to have to figure out what is going on here .

There is still one device on and everyone's like no , no , no , no , I've I it in the car ? No , I haven't got it on me . No , mine is switched off . So I went zigzagging through the audience and found it and it was in a pram . What did we call it ? What's the American version of it ? Anyway , it was in this baby carriage .

And it was pretty shocking because I could tell that the mother was shocked . First of all , she's one of the aware people . She really doesn't want to be around wireless and she has a meter herself , she told me , and she wasn't aware that it was emitting .

So , right next to her baby , her less than one-year-old baby , she has a phone that is active and emitting a pulse signal of more than 15,000 microwatts continuously Right next to her baby . Her best she can , trying to protect her own life and blood of a small child , can still make that mistake .

It's so insidious , it's so difficult , so that really opened up the audience to like okay , well , wow , it's everywhere , it's even when we're like so aware of it . And that also shows the real challenge of how to how to deal with it in a day to day life .

You wrote to me a lovely letter , and this is an old thing that our ancestors used to do we would write letters to each other and they would be long . You gave me that story , and I really appreciate that that in that mass of humanity everybody was radiation-free , except the poor baby , yeah .

And then , of course , in what's normal society now they don't even think about it they put a baby monitor which constantly emits radiation right next to the poor infant . Poor infant .

People don't associate that with their own phone . They associate it with that device that I have in my hand . So they're like switch that off it . It's annoying me , I don't like that sound . And I can tell them like no , that's your phone , actually that's picking up . So the source of this annoying sound is in your pocket .

It doesn't really work , but as soon as I plug it into that bigger speaker and it's not any more confined to this little device , but it's in the space , it's all around them Then they realize that is my phone , this hellish noise is my phone , and they don't know how quickly they have to switch it off . Then suddenly it becomes a visceral thing .

So I think it's a mixture of offering spaces where they can feel for themselves what it means to be without and also finding ways to show what it is , what is what it is doing and I , I do think that you know it needs to go a little bit beyond numbers . Numbers are , oh , you tell me , ten thousand , a million , one , I yeah , numbers .

I don't know , I don't know what to say , but have squawking , annoying sound . That is grating and annoying . Yeah , I can see how that is not nice for my body because it annoys me , yeah , and it annoys your cells on a cellular level , and maybe there is a technical solution in that way .

I mean , if we would compare what the difference is between noise and , let's say , harmony music , maybe at some point our technology can play music to each other to communicate , instead of being this dim , this modulated signal . That is just a sawtooth sound . It's it's harsh , it's abrasive , it's's sharp , it's too hard on us .

But maybe , like you know , fm modulation used to be that there is more of a smooth way of communication . I don't know if it's even possible , because maybe the amount of data that we're trying to push through is just too high of a frequency . Anyway , I don't know , but I think we can do better . I mean , we need to yeah yeah , that's for sure .

That's why I'm also so keen on making this whole internet thing work , because I've been able to help people from a distance that were in in severe danger , like literally struggling to to be able to keep functioning and and carry responsibility for for , for their offspring .

So , yeah , there's there's a deep , deep in that , but it has also solidified my , my approach to keeping it real in a way , because I've I've been so open to solutions because , you know , there's not much guidance out there in the world to how , how to deal with all this stuff , and so everybody brings forward these things try disorganized .

Have these discs , take these cards , this , this , this , this harmonizing kind of quantum scalar , whatever thing . Take these droplets , take these medicines , like they're . I mean , it's an endless slew of of things that can help . And if you're , you know like we've been suffering and it's painful and it is severely limiting .

I mean , I've tried a lot of different stuff and I've kept an open mind to it , even though I'm , you know , very scientific and skeptical .

In a lot of ways , I'm also being brought up to be incredibly open-minded and look beyond the confines of what is right in front of us answers and gadgets that are being sold for incredibly high amounts , sometimes even thousands of dollars , just to sort of give people the sense of like , this will make things safe and now you can use your devices without an

issue . And I take offense to it . Yeah , it is offensive , it's hurtful , it's painful and it's putting people in danger and deep , deep harm . Anyway , sorry , I just went off there .

First of all , and secondly , like I mentioned much earlier on this conversation , becker found a generation ago that most well in his time he stated it categorically no animals or humans can feel this . You and I know different , but most people can't feel the damage in real time . No , different , but most people can't feel the damage in in real time .

So it's not very nice for people to prey upon the people that I am trying to serve with legitimate and you're trying to serve with legitimate assessment and legitimate physics-based remediation strategies that actually result in a measurable reduction of intensity of exposure .

And yeah , it's egregious , and y'all who are involved in that you ought to be ashamed of yourselves . So is that putting too fine a point on it ?

That's oh well , yeah , I'll , I'll have a quick look and surprisingly , his , even though he had solar panels in a inverter , the ac was kind of well , well encapsulated , I think it's because of the double metal walls , and they were grounded , so it was actually pretty , pretty reasonable .

I would have expected a lot worse , until I came up to the sleeping space and there were two of these organite pyramids that are obviously being put there to keep good energy , but they had little lights on them . with USB charge , with an AC adapter on it , they were putting out this huge field , completely polluting and poisoning this whole bedroom , you know .

So it's like , yes , I've got these beautiful organized pyramids that cost I don't know how much to make good energy , but actually on the physical level , you're poisoning yourself .

So , yeah , I think it does pay for people like us to just cut through the bullshit and and and and look at where it is , because it is actually dangerous to just let it be , you know , because there's a big tendency of people to just , you know well , we don't know if it could be helping , right .

So why are you so negative and why are you dismissing something that you maybe don't understand ?

And so that has kept me in a state of like , yeah , maybe you're right , but after helping that kid and really seeing this disabled kid with real issues from radars , from the ships going by , that there , like that there is no , and they tried all the shungite and all the kind of stuff and it did not help .

What helped was this pure practical remediation , getting him in some as much of a safe space as possible , that that that worked and everything else , I'm kind of like , wow , yeah , sure , like you said , the placebo effect will help a lot of people like , oh , I do feel better .

Yeah , because your mind and you could also just do a breathing exercise and you probably would feel better . Do a bit of yoga and you probably would feel better .

It's just as much as this whatever $200 , $500 , $1,500 gadget , and maybe there are some active electric field outputting devices that could work because they're sort of suppressing , pushing out what is going . But in the end , uh , people report that they have a real hard fallback from that .

You know it works for a while , but then your body gets used to it and then you realize how much extra uh electric field you've been exposed to .

So you know , I'm , I'm , I'm , I'm , I'm unapologetic to that Like , let's call out the stuff that is that is snake oil , that is just preying on that , and I understand that people are really convinced of it because they've seen positive effects of it , but that doesn't mean it's working .

It just means that you , you've given somebody something , a whole , a bit of a , and maybe , like you said , if they pay a lot for it , surely it must work and that that'll give you a bit of . But I , I think , I think it's not .

It's a lot clearer with the people that I hate to say , that actually feel the stuff that are are actually uh , in in such a far state that they are getting joint pains , tinnitus , that are feeling the bodily harms of it . They don't take the bullshit because they know like , well , yeah , I tried , it doesn't work .

It's it's mostly the people that are just on the edge or not feeling it quite yet that that seem to be , you know , and trusting a lot of this stuff because , well , they don't have the the bodily experience of it .

But I , I might be overstepping , but but , like I said , I want to be less apologetic about that because I think it's too dangerous to just let it slide in such a sense and I personally have suffered too much to just put up with it anymore .

And some of us and I think I've admitted this to you before I bought a harmonizer a long time ago , before I really got into the assessment and remediation stuff , and it cost a thousand bucks and it was at a time when I had lost everything .

I didn't have a thousand bucks , I'd spend it anyway wow and um , yeah , so I'm , I'm sympathetic , I understand I think there's this cultural thing and we pick it up from television and media and and from , uh , physicians and whatnot which is is you can get yourself in trouble medically and then there's just going to be a magic pill that you can take and

everything's going to be all better . It's not exactly that , but it kind of rhymes with that the idea that you can have this horrific electromagnetic environment and I'm going to put a little tiny pyramid over there and it's going to make everything better , and I'm going to put a little tiny pyramid over there and it's going to make everything better .

And I just deal with people all the time going into their homes and look at their degree of disability and it's taken a number of years and it's taken everything that they have away from them and now they've got this condition and now they're no longer able to work and they've got a $5,000 Hoffie table size harmonizer .

That's the big brother of the little $1,000 one that I , in my foolishness , bought years back and it just breaks my heart , that's all . It just breaks my heart . I hate to see . I understand , I think , all the factors and how that works , but it just breaks my heart to see people not get real help when they need it .

So , speaking about help when they need it , how can people get in touch with you ?

It's like there's people making lots of money on selling this snake oil and when we come to the other side it's it's a lot harder to make the money because the people that are really affected generally are at the end of of what what their financial means are , because they've already the life has broken down .

So I I don't want to put the barrier in in that . So I have some people that gift money because they've been helped and that helps me , and there's people that that really can't give anything , but they need help help too . So you know , I just try to do what I can .

I also have a limited amount of energy and time per day that I can do , but till now it's been very rewarding because the people that have contacted me are the ones that are really in a bad situation and they've been benefiting the most from what I can .

I I don't think I have the the energy to be like a full-time advocate and and and set up a business and to make it all work and do it .

I'm just doing what , what I can , while I'm trying to figure out how to improve my situation , because it's an ongoing process of you know , of trying to make things better , to , to find a way to work with technology and have some forms of of of comfort and convenience and , on the pathway , help help other people with it . Um so yeah , it's not . It's not .

It's not a perfect business pitch as such . You know so , and I don't think I really could could do that , but what I can do , I do try to help people where I can in in improving your situation , but maybe we should just get into selling amulets and things .

It would be a beautiful silver core and a copper spiral around it and I would tell an enchanting story about scalar vortexes or whatever and sell it for $ thousand dollars each , and because it costs so much I could make um a hundred times more than I do as a emf consultant yeah all of this , of course , is in jest .

It's like really nice , nice design , um , and the prices are uh , I thought they were a bit low because they were two , three hundred euros , so that's about same in dollars , because if I look at that , I know what the material costs are . That that's pretty much the material cost . You know the materials are incredibly expensive . So I contacted her .

It's like how do you do it ? How do you ? Because I look at the material costs and I think you probably spend 200 , 300 euros just on the materials and so you should actually be selling it at probably 600 to 800 euros .

And her answer was , yeah , that's what it should be , but most people that really need it at that level they can't afford that and it's bespoke clothing .

So I just make it and do it because I want to inspire people that they can protect themselves , and I put it out there and make it available to people , and she basically has a little trickle of money coming in that she just barely survives on .

But you know , here's somebody who's a great designer , does the right thing but really has to keep keep the price low . And then there's another one who is , I think , a dj or um ex-rapper in england .

Great woman puts out this amazing brand of 70 different kind of apparels , beanies and things and clothes , but openly states to reduce the cost , to keep it affordable , we only keep the patches on the where it's most , uh , most useful , above the heart or above the groin , and that's it which I think you would agree is actually the worst thing you could do is

like you're putting a mirror in front of your heart and if somebody has a phone behind you , you're actually blasting it twice as bad into into your heart it is . It is making a situation more dangerous . But obviously they've got their whole sales pitch right . They've got the prices right . It looks really good .

And even for the skeptics that say , oh , I don't , you do harmonizers , I want real , uh , factual , protection . They look at it and go like yo , those are good , good clothing items . They look hip , they look nice , the brand is good , the logo is good , everything's fantastic , except no , it's not .

It's actually dangerous , it's not protecting you and so where's that , that balance between knowing what is right and doing what is right ? It's a tricky one .

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