Hello, listener friends! We’re delighted to share with you our most recent conversation with our dear friend and mentor, Francis Weller, psychotherapist, soul-activist, and author of the life-changing book The Wild Edge of Sorrow, as well as a newly released book of essays which we discuss in this interview. It is titled: In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty and is available for free or by donation on his website. https://www.francisweller.net/store.html In this episod...
Jun 11, 2020•57 min•Season 2Ep. 15
We had such an enlivening conversation with Steven which we’re so excited to share with you! In this conversation we talk about Steven’s history - which included leaving civilization as a young man to live in the wild and forage to sustain himself. He eventually felt called to returned to civilization, pursued higher education and eventually growing food and medicines in new/old ways. He offers a beautiful short exercise on how to listen to plants. We also talk about the habit of gratefulness an...
May 29, 2020•1 hr 3 min
Friends, I had such an inspiring and useful conversation with Jan Dworkin! I loved her unique and powerful definition of embodiment. We spoke about human relationships in so many ways - what makes a “successful relationship” (hint - not just one that lasts forever.) We spoke about relationships as ground for profound learning, and that “learners can never be losers.” Of course we spoke about quarantine and responses to the pandemic and how that can show up in so many ways in our relationships. W...
May 07, 2020•57 min
We had such a lovely and enlivening conversation with beautiful Brooke McNamara, who is a gifted poet, dance-theater artist, zen monk, teacher and mama, and whose poetry we ADORE. In this conversation, we talk about embodiment as a line between suffering and wellbeing. We explore many topics including ensoulment, the importance of creative process for its own sake, about parenting during this time of climate crisis, and so much more. And of course, we asked Brooke to read poetry from both of her...
Feb 07, 2020•1 hr 12 min•Season 2Ep. 12
Oh friends, this is such a rich conversation that I’m thrilled to share with you. I (Erin) had the great pleasure of speaking with award-winning writer, Dr. Sharon Blackie, whose written work and online courses I’ve adored over the past several years. She’s the author of several books including If Women Rose Rooted, The Enchanted Life, and her latest, Foxfire Wolfskin. She’s an internationally recognized teacher whose work sits at the interface of psychology, mythology, and ecology. You can find...
Jan 28, 2020•1 hr 5 min•Season 2Ep. 11
In this episode, Carl speaks with Erwan Le Corre. Erwan is the founder of MovNat, which is a system of movement and embodied learning that helps people to grow the movement skills, physiological preparedness, and mindsets for practical, adaptable participation in the world. In our conversation we explore what Natural Movement is, and why it is so valuable in these times. We look at the challenges that arise from the lack of movement in modern life, and the benefits of reclaiming some of the ways...
Jan 10, 2020•1 hr 13 min•Season 2Ep. 10
In this episode, Erin speaks with three trainers of The Work That Reconnects: Mutima Imani, Molly Brown, and Constance Washburn. We explore an overview of this pioneering body of work that includes Deep Ecology, Systems Thinking, and Buddhist practices, developed by root teacher Joanna Macy. We explore the three stories of our times: Business as Usual, The Great Unravelling, and The Great Turning, and how we can choose which story we’re carrying. We explore how spirituality and activism support ...
Oct 21, 2019•1 hr 12 min•Season 2Ep. 8
In this episode I speak with my dear friend, Sunny Rose Healey, Ayurvedic practitioner and teacher. In this episode we talk about: • a basic introduction to Ayurveda • 4 wise questions to ask to know if a particular regimen is good for you • tuning into natural rhythms in our days and through the seasons • the importance of digesting not only our food and drink, but every experience that comes our way • the importance of tending the digestive fire, “the mother fire,” and ways to do so • the esse...
Oct 21, 2019•1 hr 9 min•Season 2Ep. 7
In this episode we speak with Stephen Jenkinson. Stephen is a teacher, author, storyteller, spiritual activist, farmer and founder of the Orphan Wisdom School. He has written several books, including Die Wise: A Manifesto For Sanity and Soul, and Come of Age: The Case for Elderhood in Times of Trouble. In this conversation we speak about Stephen's Nights Of Grief and Mystery tour that is coming to our home, Salt Lake City, November 16th, and is touring through North America during the fall of 20...
Oct 02, 2019•1 hr 9 min•Season 2Ep. 6
In this, our second conversation with Francis Weller, we once again have a wonderful, deep conversation covering many soulful topics, including: Letting go of searching for an answer, and instead leaning into our own unique response to these times. We talk about the cognitive and soul dissonance of information overload. Francis describes The Five Gates of Grief (if you haven’t been introduced to these yet, prepare to have your heart cracked open!) We explore what it means to create a safe contai...
Oct 02, 2019•54 min•Season 2Ep. 5
Oh, what a shimmering, gorgeous, living, and enlivening conversation with one of the great embodied thinkers of our time! We loved interviewing David Abram and know you’ll enjoy this episode in which we explore, through David’s unique and gorgeous way with language, ways to be embodied and fully alive in our over-civilized world. We explore ideas about our use of language and the possibilities for “wielding our words” in ways that hold our senses open rather than shutting them down. We speak abo...
Jul 19, 2019•1 hr 15 min•Season 2Ep. 4
Loch Kelly, M.Div., LCSW, is an author, meditation teacher, psychotherapist, and founder of the non-profit, Open-Hearted Awareness Institute. Lochteaches in a non-sectarian human being lineage using an adult education style based in the earliest non-dual wisdom traditions, modern science and psychotherapy. He is the author of Shift Into Freedom, and most recently The Way of Effortless Mindfulness. In our conversation we explore the connection between embodiment and waking up in the world. We loo...
Jun 20, 2019•1 hr 10 min•Season 2Ep. 3
In this episode we share a deeply nourishing conversation with Daniel Foor, PhD, author of Ancestral Medicine and creator of the Practical Animism course. We explore embodiment as inter-relationship and indebtedness to the other-than-human world, about the intimacy of eating other bodies (whether plant or animal.) He says there are no environmental problems only human behavior problems and we explore how an animist, embodied worldview can help heal many current issues, including racism, sexism, ...
May 27, 2019•1 hr 5 min•Season 2Ep. 2
In this lively episode, we take a conversational wild ride as we speak with author, filmmaker and iconoclast, Jeff Brown, of soulshaping.com. We speak about embodiment (of course!), consumerism preying on the uncentered, conscious armouring, the way embodied humans have a certain quality of gravity, the way he thinks anyone who calls themselves a spiritual teacher is full of shit, how to not throw the holy man out with the bathwater, a new model of yoga or somatic practice, and so much more. Enj...
Mar 10, 2019•55 min•Season 2Ep. 1
In this episode, Erin speaks with Jungian analyst, dreamworker, and originator of MQ (embodied intelligence), Robert Bosnak. We talk about what embodiment means, about learning from dreams, about animism, about the necessity of taking a multiplicity of perspectives, and toward the end of the episode Bosnak guides us in an embodied exercise working with a memory. We hope you enjoy! If you're inspired to take his course 10-week Course: Going Out Of Your Mind: Get Into Your Intelligent Body and Bec...
Dec 14, 2018•58 min•Season 1Ep. 17
In this powerful conversation, we speak with Charles Eisenstein. Charles is a teacher, author, speaker, deep-thinker, and a good-hearted human being who asks great questions. His work challenges many of the deep stories and narratives that modern culture holds around economics, the environment, masculinity and more. His books include Sacred Economics, The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible, and the recently released Climate: A New Story. In this conversation, we cover a wide terrai...
Dec 01, 2018•55 min•Season 1Ep. 16
In this episode, we playfully explore the territory of embodiment and creativity with Karen Wallace, M.Ed. BCATR. We speak about trauma, creativity, play, making things, and so much more. This conversation was so personally enriching for me! Karen has a wealth of knowledge and experience in working with people of diverse backgrounds and ages. She’s written a gorgeous book called “There is No Need To Talk About This: Poetic Inquiry from the Art Therapy Studio.” Many of her poems are simply stunni...
Nov 22, 2018•52 min•Season 1Ep. 15
In our conversation we talk about embodiment, and "lunar knowledge ," and the many different ways of bodily knowing. We explore the importance and challenges of ritual practice in modern culture and how " ritual is creative work and not necessarily, repetitive work ." We look at what it means to have a "mythic sense" of the world. We talk about the innate genius each of us carries, and, as Michael says, "The way we respond to the crisis in our life, hopefully, is to awaken the soul further, and ...
Sep 17, 2018•53 min•Season 1Ep. 14
In this episode (our longest yet, and worth every minute!) we have the great pleasure to speak to the inimitable Stephen Jenkinson. Stephen is a teacher, author, storyteller, spiritual activist, farmer and founder of the Orphan Wisdom School. In this conversation, we explore topics such as how to strengthen your "wonder muscle," what it means to be a good ancestor, the importance of dwelling in not-knowing, what learning actually is, the etymology of the word "belonging," the importance of rites...
Jul 27, 2018•1 hr 15 min•Season 1Ep. 12
In this episode we talk with Don & Diane St.John. Diane is a somatic counselor, coach and Continuum Teacher. Don is a somatic-relational psychotherapist, Continuum Teacher and author. We explore many topics related to embodiment and relationships. We speak about growing a somatic practice, about cultivating spaciousness, about investing in your own embodied awareness (you have to want to!.) We explore how being more fully embodied impacts our relationships. We speak about the importance of b...
Jul 16, 2018•52 min•Season 1Ep. 11
Chandler Stevens is a somatic coach. He’s developing and organizing a body of work known as Ecosomatics, which revolves around the connections between body, mind, and environment. In his private coaching practice he focuses on helping environmentally-conscious entrepreneurs get out of chronic pain and restore deep connection of body/mind so that they can tackle our world's biggest problems. In this conversation Chandler and Carl talk about many topics, including functional fitness and natural mo...
Jul 10, 2018•53 min•Season 1Ep. 11
In this conversation we speak with Dr. Don St John. Don is a psychotherapist, Hellerwork trainer, and Continuum Practitioner (among many other things,) and he wrote "Healing The Wounds of Childhood: A Psychologist's Journey and Discoveries From Wretched Beginnings to a Thriving Life." Don and his wife, Diane, live and teach in Salt Lake City, Utah. Our conversation stretched through many rich terrains: exploring what it means to embody resilience, how the quality of our tissues reflects our rela...
Jun 29, 2018•46 min•Season 1Ep. 10
In this episode, we speak with the brilliant Bayo Akomolafe about embodiment, non-binary thinking, thoughts on the future of our world, activism, indigeneity, entanglement, and so much more. You're in for a treat!
May 28, 2018•49 min•Season 1Ep. 8
In this episode, Erin speaks with Dr. Leny Strobel about her decades of work in decolonization, as a Philipino-American, as well as in her role as a "settler" in her home in Northern California, and how it all connects with being embodied. We explore issues of race, of choosing to live small, of how to become indigenous to the place on earth we inhabit, and so much more. Leny is truly a wise elder and her kind heart, spacious awareness, and deep integrity, developed over many decades of deep exp...
May 21, 2018•58 min•Season 1Ep. 7
In this episode we speak with Francis about what it means to live a soulful life, about the importance and value of grief, and about the challenges we face living in a culture fixated on constant ascension, growth, and improvement. We also explore how human beings are, by nature, ritually articulate, and discuss the value of rituals and of connecting with what Francis calls "primary satisfactions," the ways that the human soul has been nourished for thousands of years. We also talk about the lon...
May 16, 2018•47 min•Season 1Ep. 7
In this episode, Erin speaks with Lara Veleda Vesta, creator of The Wild Soul School and author of the Moon Divas Guidebook. In our conversation, we explore many powerful topics including embodiment, Lara’s journey navigating life with chronic illness, the importance of growing relationship with our ancestors, and so much more.
Apr 19, 2018•50 min•Season 1Ep. 6
In this episode, Erin speaks with Kinde Nebeker, founder of New Moon Rites of Passage about embodiment, about the importance of modern rites of passage, about the great joy inherent in tending grief, about Kinde’s great optimism in the way the world is shifting, and about the connection between the quality of our relationship with our bodies and how it relates with our relationship with Earth, plus much more.
Apr 19, 2018•49 min•Season 1Ep. 5
In this episode, we speak with Philip Shepherd, author of New Self, New World and Radical Wholeness about his reflections on embodiment and why it matters. After Philip guides us into a brief practice of experiencing our embodied selves (not from our heads), we dive into exploring many topics, including his enlivening definition of intelligence as “grounded sensitivity,” about growing what he calls “axial consciousness,” about our “headist” modern culture, and much more.
Apr 18, 2018•48 min•Season 1Ep. 4
In this episode we speak with Russell Delman, founder of the Embodied Life School and Feldenkrais Method (R) trainer. In our conversation we explore Russell’s reflections on what embodiment means and why it matters in the modern world. We talk about our tendencies to reify life and how being in living relationship with our bodies, minds and world changes everything. We explore the difference between concept and direct experience and how useful it is to return to lived experience in many contexts...
Apr 16, 2018•48 min•Season 1Ep. 3
In this episode we speak with Diane Hamilton, author of Everything is Workable and The Zen of You and Me, as well as a mediator, international trainer in facilitation, and lineage holder and teacher at the Two Arrows Zen Center with locations in Salt Lake City and Torrey, Utah. We speak about embodiment, about the beautiful paradox of both being your body and being more than your body, about meditation, about navigating the realms of politics and personal relationships during these turbulent tim...
Apr 16, 2018•40 min•Season 1Ep. 2
