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Embodiment for the Rest of Us

Chavonne A. McClay, MSW, LCSW (she/her) and Jenn Jackson, MPH, RDN, LD (she/her)embodimentftrou.podbean.com
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) are a HAES®-aligned dietitian and therapist, respectively, who are passionate about dismantling the intersectional barriers to embodiment within the context of the matrix of domination. In this show, they interview professionals and those with lived experience alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer place for those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces. EFTROU is currently publishing season 4 every month on the first Thursdays of each month through April 2025.
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Season 4 Wrap-Up Episode: Words of the Year, Renewed Unmasking, and Season 5 Coming in 2026 - EFTROU: S4Ep12

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 12: Season 4 Wrap-Up Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up season 4 by reviewing their words of the year for 2024 and 2025, renewed invitations for unmasking while recording, re-commitments to anti-oppression, and season 5 coming in 2026! Content Warning: Mention of the multiple genocides occurring globally Trigger Warnings: None for this episode The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/...

Apr 17, 202531 minEp. 48

Deep Dive: Relating Across Difference, Murmuration as Metaphor, and a Sacred Unmasking with Nikki Haggett - EFTROU: S4, Ep11

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking. Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse Trigger Warnings: None for this episode The captions for this episode ca...

Feb 20, 20251 hr 38 minEp. 47

A Clinically Fat Ass and Passion Projects, Part 2 with Dr. Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep10

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!) Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and ...

Dec 19, 20241 hr 42 minEp. 46

Fat Embodiment as in Living a Whole Ass Fat Life, Part 1 with Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep9

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs) Trigger Warnings: This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped. The captions for this episode can be found at https:...

Dec 05, 20241 hr 33 minEp. 45

Deep Dive Part 3: The Political is Personal is Professional with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep8

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics Trigger Warnings: None for this episode The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-...

Nov 28, 202451 minEp. 44

Deep Dive Part 2: Intertwining Stories, Parties Not Lectures, and Blanket Forts as Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep7

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies. Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia Trigger Warnings: 1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/seas...

Jul 18, 20241 hr 20 minEp. 43

Deep Dive Part 1: Capitalist Mythology, the Comfort of Power, and Depth + Clarity as a Container for Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep6

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies. Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia Trigger Warnings: 44:33: Lindley mentions death threats The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashlin...

Jul 04, 20242 hr 15 minEp. 42

Deep Dive Part 1: Attending and Attuning to the Body, Unconscious Contracts with the Systems that Affect Us, and Loving Accountability with Michelle Phillips - EFTROU: S4, Ep5

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability. Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time Trigger Warnings: None in this episode The captions for this episode can be...

Jun 06, 20241 hr 9 minEp. 41

Embodying Self-Care Beyond Bath Bombs, Disability Access and Community, and the Isolation of Embodiment with Imani Barbarin - EFTROU: S4, Ep4

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey. Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last...

May 09, 20241 hr 28 minEp. 40

Energy is Precious, Limitations as Embodiment, and Unlearning Categorization with Niyera Hewlett - EFTROU: S4, Ep3

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey. Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com . They work from an an...

Apr 04, 20241 hr 29 minEp. 39

Deep Dive: Identity, Sex Positive Families, and Kiddos as Embodiment Teachers with Tiana Dodson - EFTROU: S4, E2

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children. Content Warning: discussion of sexuality Trigger Warnings: 1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions A few highlights: 7:06: Tiana discusses how childre...

Mar 07, 20241 hr 52 minEp. 38

Season 4 Intro Episode: Acknowledging Disability, Slowing Down, and Continuing with Intention - EFTROU: S4, Ep1

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 1: Season 4 Intro Episode Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) introduce Season 4! Content Warning: None in this episode Trigger Warnings: None in this episode The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-1-season-4-intro/#captions A few highlights: 2:02: Jenn and Chavonne share their words for 2024 20:27: Chavonne and Jenn discuss exploring disability and neurodiversity in Season ...

Feb 01, 202446 minEp. 37

Season 3 Wrap-Up Episode - EFTROU: S3Ep13

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 13: Wrap Up Episode Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up Season 3! Content Warning: None in this episode Trigger Warnings: None in this episode The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-13-season-3-wrap-up-episode/#captions A few highlights: 2:13: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how processing and practicing rest changed and challenged them in 2023 13:14: Chavonne and Jenn disc...

Nov 06, 202326 minEp. 36

The “Rest” in the Rest of Us, Being Our Whole Human Selves with Clients, and the Laughter Between Hard Topics with Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool - EFTROU: S3, Ep12

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 12: Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lisa Daughters (she/her) and Fawn McCool (she/her) about their embodiment journeys. Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all ne...

Oct 12, 20232 hr 7 minEp. 35

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria, Nuances of the Pandemic, and Safe Space with Friends with Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters - EFTROU: S3, Ep11

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 11: Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Fawn McCool (she/her) and Lisa Daughters (she/her) about their embodiment journeys. Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticit...

Sep 28, 20231 hr 44 minEp. 34

Social Justice, Equitable Care, and Navigating a Field That is Still Unlearning with Whitney Trotter - EFTROU: S3, Ep10

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 10: Whitney Trotter Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Whitney Trotter (she/her) about their embodiment journey. Whitney Trotter (she/her) is dually licensed as a Registered Dietitian, Nurse, and yoga instructor and is currently working on her doctorate degree to become a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Whitney has over ten years of experience working as a registered dietitian serving various communities such as the HIV/AIDS commun...

Sep 14, 20231 hr 29 minEp. 33

Placefinding and Placeholding as the Marginalized Among the Marginalized with Mikey Mercedes - EFTROU: S3, Ep9

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 9: Mikey Mercedes Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Mikey Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey. Marquisele (Mikey) Mercedes (she/they) is a fat liberationist writer, creator, educator, and doctoral student from the Bronx, New York. As a Presidential Fellow at the Brown University School of Public Health, she works at the intersection of critical public health studies, fat studies, and scholarship on race/ism, examini...

Aug 31, 20232 hr 14 minEp. 32

Body Hierarchies, Disability, and the Ongoing Pandemic with Marquisele Mercedes - EFTROU: S3, Ep8

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 8: Marquisele Mercedes Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Marquisele Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey. Marquisele (Mikey) Mercedes (she/they) is a fat liberationist writer, creator, educator, and doctoral student from the Bronx, New York. As a Presidential Fellow at the Brown University School of Public Health, she works at the intersection of critical public health studies, fat studies, and scholarship on race/is...

Aug 17, 20231 hr 40 minEp. 31

Divesting from Urgency Culture, Embodied Authenticity, and Coming Home to the Truth with Wednesdae Reim Ifrach - EFTROU: S3, Ep7

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 7: Wednesdae Reim Ifrach Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Wednesdae Reim Ifrach (they/them) about their embodiment journey. Wednesdae is a trans/non-binary art therapist, fat activist and artist whose work focuses on body justice, intersectional social justice and eating disorder treatment equity access. They also co-own and operate Rainbow Recovery where they support people through the gender affirmation process, complex trauma ...

Aug 03, 20231 hr 30 minEp. 30

Liminal Spaces, Collective Trauma and Care, and Workshopping Our Own Humanity with Neathery Falchuk - EFTROU: S3, Ep6

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 6: Neathery Falchuk Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Neathery Falchuk (they/them) about their embodiment journey. Neathery Falchuk (they/them) is a queer, trans and non-binary, white Latinx, fat, and neurodivergent therapist, licensed clinical social worker and supervisor, certified group psychotherapist, certified Body Trust® provider, and certified meditation teacher. Neathery is the founder of Ample and Rooted, an inclusive ps...

Jul 20, 20231 hr 48 minEp. 29

Thinking Beyond Textbooks, Thriving with Diabetes, and Inclusive Travel with Esther Tambe - EFTROU: S3, Ep5

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 5: Esther Tambe Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Esther Tambe (she/her) about her embodiment journey. Esther Tambe is a Registered Dietitian and Certified Diabetes Care and Education Specialist based in Long Island, NY. She is the founder of Esther Tambe Nutrition, LLC. She received her master’s degree in Nutrition with a concentration in Exercise Science from Long Island University. She also received her bachelor’s degrees in Nu...

Jul 07, 20231 hr 13 minEp. 28

Community Building, Body Trust, and Podcasting with Aaron Flores - EFTROU: S3, Ep4

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 4: Aaron Flores Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Aaron Flores (he/him) about his embodiment journey. Aaron Flores is a registered dietitian nutritionist and Certified Body Trust® provider. With over 10 years of experience, Aaron has worked with eating disorders in a variety of settings over his career, including the VA Healthcare System and Center for Discovery. He currently has a private practice in Calabasas, CA. Aaron uses Int...

Jul 06, 20231 hr 44 minEp. 27

Deep Dive: Reclaiming the Black Body with Alishia McCullough - EFTROU: S3, Ep3

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 3: Alishia McCullough Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Alishia McCullough (she/her) about her somatic embodiment journey of reclaiming the Black body. Alishia McCullough (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Therapist, Somatic Healer, Writer, and Culture Shifter supporting BIPOC folks to holistically heal their relationship with their bodies. She specializes in somatic therapy, trauma healing, and eating disorder treatme...

Jun 08, 20231 hr 52 minEp. 26

Deep Dive: Stepping Stones that Support Neurodivergent Embodiment with Kymber Stephenson - EFTROU: S3, Ep2

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 2: Kymber Stephenson Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about re-embodiment, the stepping stones that support neurodivergent embodiment, and what’s next in her embodiment journey. Kymber Stephenson (she/her) is a registered dietitian nutritionist living & working in Fort Collins, Colorado. As the Clinical Director at Side by Side Nutrition, she supports clients and clinicians in their exploration of ...

May 25, 20231 hr 46 minEp. 25

Season 3 Intro Episode: Embodiment Evolutions, Life Updates, and Deep Dives - EFTROU: S3, Ep1

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 1: Intro Episode Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss what’s coming up for them, and for you, in Season 3! Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of death of a family member Trigger Warnings: 39:50: Jenn discusses trichotillomania and dermatillomania The captions for this episode can be found at https://EmbodimentForTheRe...

May 11, 20231 hr 20 minEp. 24

Season 2 Wrap-Up: Looking Back on Embodiment and The Rest of Us, and Forward to Deep Dives in Season 3 - EFTROU: S2, Ep12

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 12: Season 2 Wrap-Up Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) review season 2–all they learned and unlearned–and plans for season 3! See you in 2023!! Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia, mention of eugenics Trigger Warnings: 42:23: Jenn misgenders Michelle Phillips (they/them/theirs) and apologizes 1:14:21: Chavonne says the beginning of an ableist word The captions ...

Oct 20, 20221 hr 40 minEp. 23

Embodied Pregnancy, Travel, and Podcasting while Plus Size with Jen McLellan - EFTROU: S2, Ep11

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Jen McLellan Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jen McLellan (she/her) about her embodiment journey. Jen McLellan, CBE, is a published author, founder of Plus Size Birth , and host of the Plus Mommy Podcast . She helps people navigate the world of plus size pregnancy, shares tips for embracing your body, and laughs her way through the adventures of parenthood. With over 7 million page views, Plus Size Bith is the premier plus s...

Oct 06, 20221 hr 9 minEp. 22

Embodiment for Real People in Real Life with Kymber Stephenson - EFTROU: S2, Ep10

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Kymber Stephenson Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about her embodiment journey. Kymber Stephenson is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist living and working in Colorado. Her experience began with a love of food which led her to pursue a degree in Culinary Arts from Johnson & Wales University. As her love of science and helping people wove with that initial path, she continued on to a Bachelor o...

Sep 22, 20221 hr 33 minEp. 21

Creating Community and Fat Acceptance with Dr. Joy Cox - EFTROU: S2, Ep9

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 9: Dr. Joy Cox Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Dr. Joy Cox (she/her) about her embodiment journey. Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 39 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 8+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and sk...

Sep 08, 20221 hr 10 minEp. 20

Systemic Racism and Dehumanizing Diet Culture with Shelby Gordon - EFTROU: S2, Ep8

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 8: Shelby Gordon August 25, 2022 Shelby is a retired world-champion, professional dieter who broke the chains of restriction, excessive exercise, and body hatred by embracing Body Trust®. She now works with helping professionals and organizations to ignite and elevate their awareness of the intersection of fusion of systemic racism and dehumanizing diet culture. She is an awesome daughter, prolific social media disrupter and future puppy owner. I...

Aug 25, 20221 hr 35 minEp. 19
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