Latest Interview of Elon Musk, Says Its OVER for mainstream media!

When you were in your twenties and you were envisioning the life ahead of you, What is it that you predict did you did you think about what it might look like? And is it at all similar to where you are today? No, I didn't think anything, Like SpaceX tells what happened. I well, yeah, so it's completely Yeah, I'm pretty my twenties. Yes,

let's see. Well I termed thirty and two thousand and one, so yeah, I that was before the SpaceX was I've formed in two thousand and two, and that tells it was really technically incorporated in two thousand and three, but really didn't get going till two thousand and four. Some I think to two thousand fourth when where acre date tells the two three and both space Ex and Tesla when they started, I thought both probably failed. I gave

less than attemptent chance of succeeding. But I thought, if you know, I made quite a bit of money from PayPal. I mean I was large a shareholder in PayPal, so and I had about one hundred and eighty million dollars and slab sad a lot of money. So I figured I just effectively just waste half of it on these foolish, foolish rocket and electric car companies, and and then it turned out they needed basically all of the money.

So then I spent d up giving all of the money to SpaceX and Tanes and some of it to Sier City, and and they're still almost going back rupt in both Moss. So, I mean, I just really wanted to be involved in technologies that would change the world that was made on the real Bult. Well, you you certainly did do that. Do you think there's anything that people might misunderstand about you? No, nothing at all. I think I detected stork my storkcats mate. Never, never, I can think

of something sarcastic. Well, you know, it's it's difficult because I find, you know, even on the small scale that I've experienced it, like I, I find it very difficult, and people miss misunderstand something about me and then judge me, and so I kind of want to correct them and have you sort of let that. Well, I mean, there's so much prendant about me that I actually don't even I can't even read it all.

But if I would take a large portion of my day to simply to read all of the nonsense iCal e about me have grind about me over the years when I find the regular news or what it called the legacy media just depressing and often just uninformative or speaking of misinformation. It's remarkable how often there is just misinformation or just stopping information printed in what, you know, some of

the biggest publications in the world. I mean, the Wall Street Journal is I think now printed three articles saying that I'm high all the time, which is really uh, like, I guess a compliment, because I mean, you are high in the yes from an altitude step. But I'm certainly fly a lot because my I'm flying around like a lunatic working by the way, not you know, going to my yacht or I don't have a riboland or

or even a holiday home. In fact, more quite someone looked at my flight schedule and and put it to pinball music because I was flying around best around like so it listened. My flat path looked like a pinball machine, so I which I think, you know, it really makes it fear that you do have to be at work in person. You can't actually work from welm and be as effective. You know, this is some wor work from wim thing. Well, if I could work from wim I why why am

I flying around all the time? I fly around all the time. It makes big dimples to be learned person. And I spent Yeah, so I've spent many a night in the factory Tesla SpaceX and well that most of the task. Its's been much more about a challenge on the Maine backroom front, and just it tells us just in general, been much more of a drama way, if that's still a thing. One can serning drama and queen a drama bonock, Yes so, and should posting lord Lord. I think I

think that's the official title. I've heard that said in the media, so you know it must be true. Drama monoch, I like that that's you. So yeah, but it does it does really matter to be their person. I'm actually all that way to help when you're full space section testing the aids primarily Tesla actually and so yeah, well it's one of those things where I do think, like our humanity, I do think we need some face

to face. I am crazy and I love working from home, but I also need to see people and brain You know, you can't really brainstorm with people, not you know, not fast to face, but in terms of like you know, you've stated many times that you're free each absolutist, and you bought this platform at least in part to set the bird free. And I believe there's even many means on that. So it's been about a year and a half and I'm wondering, you know, through this experience, have

you learned anything about speak of social media platforms that surprised you? And do you think there may be there is a degree that's necessary, you know,

in a private platform for a good user experience. Well, I mean it's been many things that surprise me. Having the amount of government control, of degree to which Twitter was acting at the beat of the many obs of the government was a surprise to me. They really were, you know, in my view, in my view that there were many violations, uh the First Amendment, which I think you're in Canada, but there is you know, there's no actual First Amendment in Canada, but there's one in the US.

And you know, and and the government cannot exercise the factor control of the media. And the reason that man was pretty place is because people came from countries where you work forbidden to speak on penalty of prison or death, and so they wanted to have the ability to say what they you know, to speak really without fear of of severe punishment, at least not from the government. So so that that was, you know, that was really a very

troubling discovery. And then I think obviously anyone who watches that Twitter was was very much controlled by far left activists, very far left, and you know, it was really controlled by a niche ideology that geographically is limited to the city of San Francisco and Berkeley, not even it doesn't even extend to the

city of South San Francisco or Siddaly not it's Palo Alto. So so you know, a fall up niche ideology that would ordinarily be geographically contained was effectively piping that what you know, what most people consider it extreme, what most of the world night acs of the world there ideology was pipe was was pumping that to anywhere on Earth that would allowed what it to exist, So that

you know, that's I thought it was. It was effectively one time, you know, so the world and so it's gonna get to be done about that, I thought it was. It was it was actually a civilizational risk. So you know, I think if if the United States does, for that that would be there's a nice people think, well, they'll they'll escape to New Zealand, no other place. It's like, that's that's not gonna

that's not realistic. Canada will if a nice days falls, Canada is going to become a province in Russia. And I don't know what's going to happen to the other countries, but they're not gonna. They supply under the protective umbrella of the United States. The United States is this is a central fall, central tentpole that holds up the entire oedipus of Western civilization. So we just have we have to make sure that the United States is strong, that

it remains democracy. And free speech is the bedrock of the functioning democracy. You cannot have a true democracy unless people uh can say that say what they want to say, and can and can learn the truth of things, because otherwise you're making we work based on a lack of information or a distorted view of information, and which can make the boage effectively meaningless because you don't know

what to put on what basis to make you look. So I think this is something that is extremely important, and that's the reason for require Twitter and and I think we do want a fresh start hens the different branding and and and also accessibably a much broader system in Twitter, which is the name that made sense when you're doing a one hundred body character or short textual tweets. It was it was a bit like words some twittering away. But once you

start having three hour videos and uh, what are your video calling? And we will be launching payments later this year, then the name no longer fits the you know, it would be like naming a company that has broad ranging products after one product three great sense to do that, And I think also think it was we want to leave. We want to sort of put the you know, free the word and let letter fly free and and and be something else. So sorry, go ahead. Yeah, So that's that's the

reasoning for it. But do you feel that maybe like having now had ownership of it for a while, you know, you do have some regulations on the platform, you know, certain way to be, you know, and they're not all things that necessarily go against the law, right like obviously you know, threaten someone with violence, But some of the modern maat on the platform isn't really to do with things they're legal, like where's what's your perspective

on that. Well, actually, the we really should be hearing as close to the low as possible, so and and really extremely I think reluctant to have permanent bands on people because I think opponent ban it's almost like the death sense, so that that should be a very rare thing. So you know, it's like like we you know it, and where were less of lives as a society, we would execute people with wider crimes or and now it

comes inclusion, Well that's that's wrong. The crime should but the people should be inconstrated for some period of time but not forever, and they shouldn't be executed unless it's in the very extreme circumstance. So so I think that's kind of what we should be doing. And that doesn't mean at the same time that you just get to harass other people on the platform. Uh. They obviously have the ability to to mute from you to I'm getting around to getting

rid of the block, but obvious the stronger mute. So so like you really don't want to hear from someone you there's not some way to get around and which you can just cute them entirely. So in general, if we are suspending people for or accounts for reasons that we'll go beyond the law. I'd like to know about that, because I don't think we should be suspecting

people for reasons that whether there's not a probable legal interaction. Yeah, I guess my thinking around that things like it so I used to be, you know, I think really much more of a free speak absolutely listen to some extent, its still am. But when it comes to private platforms or just my engagement, because I used to respond to anybody no matter how they said to me, I realize, well, they're not coming in good faith.

They're like, I can disagree with them on what they say, but if they're not coming in good faith, if they're rude, if they're attacking me, if they're disingenuous, I don't feel like I have a responsibility to engage with them, And you certainly don't. Yeah, you should have the ability to quite you know, to to meet them and have them not not bother

you. And and you know, and if if I guess, we do see that there's like a coordinated attack two uh, effectively squash free speech of the platform, then that that would certainly be reasons for at least the temporary suspension of the accounts that engage in that behavior, and then those temporary suspensions would grow in length, kind of like when you you know, if you're having your password too many times on your phone, gives you longer and longer

times. You can't just reforce hacket met you know, We've got we have a system now where it's give people a short suspension, then a lot than a longer suspension. Eventually the suspension length gets longer and longer if they keep doing it, and hopefully that serves as a deterrent to you know, bad behavior. But with full permanent suspensions, we really need to be a situation where someone is engaged in obviously you work broad or threatening like auto equivalently threatening

violence. They're doing things that are just obviously illegal. Do you have enough people you think to be able to handle that or do you proceed using AI to handle you know, things like threats, like things that are in direct violation. I don't. It's not it's not a number of people think I

think we need. Uh, we're all reorganizing a company and we are bringing like a lot of a lot of the work is done by sort of contractors in other countries, like for English language moderation, and they sometimes just don't understand the context of what's being said, so we'll we'll get too ready false positives or false negatives where they they should be doing somewhat temporary suspension and they're not, or they suspend someone because but they don't understand that it's an intematic

expression that they actually will mean that literally. So we are fully up internal UH team are based in the US that I think we better have have a better under stating of what when when is you know, when when when is

something something somebody really threatening violence versus something bigger speech. It's not it's not something a matter of quantity, it's it matters that people understand this, which we stain see Also, the the whole of reporting framework is byzantine, Like the whole flow of how accounts are reported and then what it's done is extremely complex and difficult to do to understand, even if you're yeah fufully aware of say a US colloquialism is so anyway, So we're building up an enal team

and I think we'll be using that more and more, which should improve the plody. But yeah, moderation, but I always, of course that moderation. You know, it's like all things of moderation, especially moderations, because moderation is often the use of us short. I mean like when when when you know, obviously, when when organizations seek to engage in propaganda, they naturally use mistleeeding tongue because they are arguation propaganda. In fact, I don't

even really like the name Uster and Safety as an organization. I mean, that'ssary. I would fit very well in George Owelbo. So in generally, I think it's like they don't show customer service or just you know, not much moderation. Now, it's true, I mean, I mean, I agree with you about the words that are being used. I don't think that they're always intended to be propaganda. I think it's something that sort of starts as part of the culture, and then there's this sort of feel like you

have to use them. You know. Obviously, I've been in mainstream journalism for many years. It's not like anybody's ever said to me, hey, Catherine, you know you need to use these particular words. But you see them around and you see what each publication uses, and something that you are sort of taught is that you write in the voice of that publication, and

so it becomes more dominant. This new language becomes more and more dominant, and people don't really think so much about why are we using these words? Why have they changed? Right? Yeah, well, I think there's almost like a attempting fates named something trust in safety. It's inevitably going to be kind of the opposite. Yeah, I think you want to have a new newful tone as opposed to something which if there's a ministry of trust and safety,

would you would you trust that? Now we're talking for rebellion trusty called trust and safety. I don't million news. No, no, that's fair. And I think look when the whole Twitter files thing came out for me, you know, I'm comfortable with some moderation, but I'm also okayd with not you know, I think you want could go either way. However, when you have as a private entity, I think you have the right to

do what you want. But when you have government organizations exactly telling you what to do, that to me like that that is where we are looking at censorships, even if they built it, when you have to do it or else, there's apply to thread there, but you know the I agree, yeah, Well, but where I'm sort of struggling lately. You know, people have always said, you know, senshine is the best disinfectants. You know, as a as a liberal, you know, it was always like

freedom of speech is so fundamental in my very left leaning schools. That's what I've sawt and that was the value we had, and and I still, you know, obviously believe a lot of that. But when we're looking but when I think about social media structures, right, you have there's a lot of incentives that are for telling lies. And it's not just the media social media, and it's not just acts either. It's what it is is every social media structure, and it's humans. Right, Humans have a tendency to

amplify. I think there are sensational there is incentivized outrage, and so I don't never well, considering that is the case, do you still feel that that statement of that the sunshine being the best disinfectant still holds true when you

have basically, you know, lies spreading very very quickly. And I know you've tried to do really good, you know, I'm I'm I'm a big fan of actually community notes and I think that's one of these you know, you can help that, but by providing people with more information rather than censoring whatever, even if it's a lie. But do you think that that structure, you know, appeals to truth finding? I guess truth seeking in the sense that it's when things are exposed, you should be coming to the you

know, the truth should come to the surface. But clearly doesn't always right, Well, I think honesty is the best policy actually, and so yeah, you have to make a choice here. Nothing's going to be perfect. Do whatever. You're on the side of free speech or on the size of censorship. I think we should are on the side of free speech. And while it is true that lives are often sensationalized and more interesting than the truth, over time, if you have free speech, people can at least get

to the truth that they want to. But if you've got human sensors, well then you're lying on them and up and ate they're wrong, and it becomes a magnetical for activists, for people who back want to distort the truth. This is really the problem with having moderation, okay censorship is is that those who wish to distort the truth will naturally gravitate to positions of power and information control. So base letter Yeah yeah, so now yeah, so so

this is what this is what happened at Twitter. It didn't start out with with activists being in control, but it ended up with them being because that's what they they literally, you know, it's like that's the classic say about Willie Loman, Why did you know? Why did you rop backs and said because that's where the money is? Well, so, well, why why did the activists go and become quo moderators and sensors Because that's where the influence

is. So you can pretty much guarantee that that it will be a mag that any any kind of stistic or moderation is gonna be a magnetful for people who want to distorage and control the truth. That's that is what happened at Tweet. I mean, you're roth. Literally, I believe he actually tweeted that the reason he wanted to be in charge of trust and safety was because he wanted to he wanted to be an activists, Like I think he said

that publicly. Here's any I guess that's a good segue into journalism because you know, this is something that I'm seeing more you know kind of came up with I had really greats, really people who valuated proof and called me out when I you know, be as my way in coffee and asked the right questions. But I have seen sort of the incentive to go into journalism, especially because it's not a highly paid field, right, So so why would

you go into it? You either really really love something about it or you want to you know, you'd want to have a cause, and so this kind of active as journalist emerge. So as a result, I do see a lot of issues that we have these case as a result. But you've spoken a lot about citizen journalism, you know, and I've I've always been

really supportive of the idea of citizen journalism. But at the same time, you know, there is the the sort of mainstream media does still have really good structures for collecting, use as the resources, as some sort of editorial standard, but it has undoubtedly lost a lot of trust. Do you see, you know, citizen journalism as being potentially just complementary. Do you see it as something that do you do you see way forward where the traditional mainstream

media can rebuild that trust that a lot of it has lost. Because I still think there's good work that that some journalists do and some publications do. It's just there's also a lot that I think is fair to criticize. Well, I think actually that and the legacy media. I think it's correct for a firm as legacy media. It's really an inefficient way of humanity learning what is going on. It was it was a it's a it's a it's an old technology that was necessary before you add the Internet. But it is I

think fundamentally inefficient. Uh. And if you're to simply everyone voicing their opinion and the most interesting opinions being serviced. But if you think just you say, like, well, just well, how does the media work. There's this whole number of prominent publications that write a small number of articles. They write articles about areas that they don't actually understand and where they were often not there or they were usually not there as a field, they are undersaid.

So if they're in the best case scenario, you've got someone who it's denserving that the journalists is doing their absolute best to write an accurate article. That's something. There's still a lot an expiantal field and they're still and beast what character cases for it to actually there, So the biscus of that article is

really going to be pretty bad. That's why, you know, if you really want to say, like how accurate is any given article, well, when you see an article that you actually actually understand the field or you know what actually happened, how accurate is that article? It's usually do you read it and say, that's actually not at all what happened. As usly, I goes, well, that's true for all the articles. It's not just true for the things that you're an expert, and it's true for all the

articles. If instead we have a vast and large number of people who are expert in the field, who are who were there or literally are there right now, you've got I don't know, one hundred or a thousand or ten thousand times or sources of information. Source of information better be more accurate because they're experts in the field or I'm literally there, and and it's just it's

really not something that legacy media can compete with legs. It's thinking like legacy media is like the fax machine, or like writing letters, like with the pen and paper, compared to the internet, Like how many people used to communicate by writing letters because that was the only technology available at the time, So the right letters, and back in the day it was with a quill, quite difficult, dry letter of the quill, and then you'd have a

very slow often uh, your mail will get lost. But this is literally how the world communicator was. Like writing a letter, they would have to being carried by someone or our boards from one person to another. In NOL days, when they would declare war, half the country wouldn't even know that

been declared because they didn't get the mail. So that even even in the in the US Civil War, there were battles that took place well after there was a peace deal side because they actually didn't know that a peace deal has been sided. That one of the last battles of the war I think maybe be last was right near our Star based launch sight in South Texas, and they brought a battle because they didn't realize that that the sides had actually declared

peace. So that's kind of what youah with some version of that with the legacy media. I would challenge one thing though, speed is not always I think you know King. I mean, obviously you want breaking news to happen quickly, and it's it's important when it does. But and I think AI is going to help to some extent. But the reporting on the ground is really important. But when you go at a really high speed, you also

have more chances of getting something wrong. Right, So when you have things travel really quickly and you've got the wrong information, I mean sometimes that information can lead to potential depth for you know, people making very bad decisions because they're relying on information that wasn't vetted. And even with journalists right like you

see that happening. You might see a source for a story and then they'll copy it and there's broken telephone going around and because because it's traveling too fast and people are trying to get it out too fast, and they haven't properly verified the information. So I think it's important to sort of keep that in

mind, especially when it comes to important stories. Right, Uh yeah, Well, I mean the media and is the Leasyvita has a striking clive problem where the revenue is to decreaseing, user decreasing, so they're actually desperate to get news out. First, you get news out, even a few hours later, you're gonna get much intentional So this has actually led to a rap or reduction in the quality of information made by legousy media. But for legacy

media, the ability to actually correct things is basically zero. They can take to run a retraction, you know, a week later that nobody reads, whereas the past years online or like on on the X platform is corrected immediately. So yes, there may be an up art wrong things that are said, but then they're just as quickly corrected, and the same cannot be said

on legacy media that's printed. In some cases it's corrected like if the community note, for example, goes through And by the way I mean, and this is not just an X situation, right, there's other social media platforms that don't have things like community notes. So I find that things do spread very quickly and there isn't always a mechanism for corrections. And I think, look, community notes is it may be imperfect, but I think there's a lot that it can do and a lot of areas where it can grow to

do better on the correcting of information. So I think and I agree with you that with you know, one thing that I have a significant issue with is that a lot of times when a media outlet makes a mistake, even if they do correct it, no one sees that correction, and there's no sort of accountability Like I'd like them to publish and say, you know, we've made this many errors today and you know, this month, and be really accountable about it to the readers, because I think would also benefit THEMB

because it will build trust. Do you see a world where you know, you take like one thing that I've really enjoyed on X and other social well X, because that's really the dominant platform for me. But when there is breaking use of some sort you can get like really interesting people breaking it down. So you might have somebody who has expertise in a particular area or maybe lives in a particular region, and it gives me this kind of enhanced idea

what's going on in the news. So to me, I see it as something that the citizen journalism aspect of it, or the community aspect of it is something that to me seems like a great potential enhancement to traditional media and perhaps there is a way for it to work better together. Do you see that or do you see social media completely replacing sort of the conventional media format.

Well in a bed of what I think what has actually happened and will happen recently over time, is is it's you know, it's sort of like trying to argue that people should go from having email back to writing letters and mailing them mailing physical letters. It's simply not going to happen. So it's not it's not even I want this or not. I'm simply describing that legacy media is a legacy. It's it's it's an inefficient and very slow means of

simiting information. And you know, like you can like civilization is is kind of a group mind for humanity. The efficiency of your coach postaless kind of a neuron in a giant brain, and the effectness of that brain is going to be function of how well those neurons fire, how quickly they fire, how quickly information trap goes round and is corrected. And I think legacy we can no will compete with with internet media. Then then then written letters can

compete with email. It's simply that's a read just the fact. It doesn't mean that nobody writes letters anymore. There are some letters written, but they are niche, and legacy media is a niche and will macwy even more niche. That's just a statement of fact. That's where I want it to be

true or lot. I understand what you're saying. I feel as though there's certain things that media institutions do better than For example, if somebody is just on social media and some people are spectacular, right, some people produce incredible content, they take hundreds of of hours to do it, So there's always exceptions. But if he wanted to report on a story, like I know as a journalist, it takes me a very long time basically in proportion to

how much impaid for a story. It sort of gives me an ability to spend more time researching it, speaking to more sources, really going to the

places. So there's certain kinds of journalism where it's like say, investigable pieces that I think you have a bigger chance of getting a really good story that you know, application might invest in just kind of like a movie studio invest in Oscar kind of bait movies, even though it's not a money leader for them, right, because they want that sort of reputational They want to have that reputation for good movies, same as they want reputation for good journalism.

And I don't know how that would translate to the social media port where people don't necessarily have those kinds of resources, including just tumming. Well, if somebody is actually an expert in the field or literally was there, it takes very little effort for them to actually inspire the situation. It's much harder for someone who wasn't there or is not an expert look field to attempt to become at least a slight expert with field or interview of watch people who were there.

That that one of saying is that that that that has no longer necessary. You can now hear it directly from world class experts as on exit, you can care directly from the best AI scientists and engineers in the world directly problem immediately. But that information and in some ways it's good that information isn't

filtered, it's uncensored. And at the same time, when you have a good journalist, that person is should be good at discerning you know, who's who's a really interesting expert and let's bring different diverse points of views into this story. So it's more than just you know, one person's opinion or a few people's random people's opinions who might have expertise, but you know, haven't

done like a full sampling. Well, like I said, I think the debate is somewhat moved because what I'm describing is simply what is happening and whether one likes someone Wilse So, like I said, legs and media is like like the written letter, like mailing letsons more a quill of pen or something versus email. It's not that there are no more letters, but femails fast and more efficient, faster, And that's just it's legs. The media is

just an old technology. I think it's kind of absurd that we print out newspapers still. After all. Assign and my son Saxon, he was of beings profound observations in the world, was sort of walking through the airport and saw it was a Wall Street journal or something that had like, you know that the bad Day's stage printed on it. And he was like, wow, how did they How do they know it was today? I was like, let's Saxon, they print that out every day. They make the newspaper

every day. It's like what you know, seeking so to see the absurdity of a child like they've print this out every day, its justs and and and then then he said, well, they're probably just they probably just read the Internet and printed out. And I said, yes, that is indeed what most newspapers dot. It is such a good descriptions are very good at this. I have to say they discerned things in the most simple honest wee, Well, you're the vast majority of news is they read something on the

internet, write an article in print at print it out. So that's just the vast majority of news. So abus and very often it has had some expost that they're writing an article about Yeah, that's look I I I certainly have my criticisms. I'm also, you know, a biased observer given that I am a writer, so you know, I am a little invested, a little invested in saving journalism in some way. Though I do think there's ways to move forward that are different than what is now because it's not working

as well as I wish it was. But one thing that I noticed, like, so you engange a lot on this platform. You know, you were very active. Everyone knows apparently I don't. I don't even want to guess how much time you spend, you know, in the Golden stool tweeting.

But but in terms of one thing that you have is as the owner of this plat worn and you know, somebody with a big following is that you can amplify both certain ideas people and you do, and you know, I know there's been a lot of criticism in particular both about the ideas that you choose to amplify and the people that maybe you know might have checker past

so whatnot when the same point could potentially be made without them? And I'm just wondering, like, how much thought do you even put into that? Do you do you think, oh, I can't meet this this person and you know, I'm not gonna not a literal notz but you know what I mean? Or or because or are people like how much thoughts do you give this at all? Well? This is like may sound sort of esoteric, but like what I'm really trying to achieve here is to prove the signals noise

of the collective consciousness. So uh and and the and the bad word. I can think of like the your next platform as being you know, all these humans connected in the same way some similar way to to the to a collection of neurons in the brain. You want to improve how you know, the your increased signal or reduced noise and just just have that collective brain being

be better. Uh. This is why when you think of that way, the absurdity of legacy media becomes apparent because it's slow and it goes through a future points. Number of articles is tiny. It's just just obviously not the future. So I'm trying to create here, like the over time, a collector consciousness that I can think well clearly, that can think faster, that that can reach more acurate conclusions. That's the goal. It sounds so esoteric, but that is that is what I'm trying to achieve. Here is a

a better collective consciousness. Are you trying to move the obrigin then window? Sir? Whichmond the overgin? I don't know how English is my third language? Sorry, I guess is really a good yes? Let me speak quite

well? Thank you? What for us to well? Okay, So I'm curious, like so, for example, you you once tweeted a meme by Colin Wright about how you don't feel like you moved from the left politically, that essentially the left left chain, And you know, I think there's definitely a lot at to that because you know, affecting when we talk about something like what they said it was a pretty liberal indeed it now and I'm wondering, like, you know, but you seem to be one thing that you

do, you tend to focus more on things that might be associated with issues that might be associated more with the culture wards what people call the culture boards, and not necessarily focusing as much as on things like they housing or prison reform or whatever you know, matter to you. Do you find that is like? Is there truth to that? Do you feel like you've moved a little bit as well? And are you trying to ship the conversation at all

to somewhere where we can discuss something really well. I mean that there's why my personal account and then there's the company. I'm going to say what I what I want to say on my you know, postal account, and I said that before acquiring the company. I was most interacted with the account on the Twitter platform before the acquisition. So you know, I'm not going to

I'm going to say what I want to say. Not to do otherwise would be hypocritical, And I'm not going to inhibit my freedom of speech when I've literally tried to improve greadom with speech that that would be absurd. However, Uh, I'm not denying voice to those on the left. In fact, I don't know of a single I can make bestomology. There's not a single prominent left bring account that has been silenced, including some very extreme left wing

accounts. So if there are, I'd love to know what that will unsuspend them. I'm mistaken now, No. But now what we have done though is we're not uh engaged in aggressive censorship of what today is called the right. And I think, you know, not that long ago would have been called the water at left, So that you know, towards the end that

Twitter was really very aggressively censoring anyone on the on the right. I've said deep platform sitting sitting president, and and so you had massive censorship of anyone on the right. Uh where ten times when he accounts the right were being suspended as counts on the left. And in fact, the only reason they was suspending count of the left is when there was an argument between two segments of the left. And it just sounds one of the segments of the left

because an argument between two groups of the left. You know, so like Bernie Sanders was Hllary Clinton type of thing, so uh you know, so so then you know what appears to be well, I guess it's it's not really an appearance of liver to the right. The platform has moved to the right because it was so far to the left before. And in order to properly represent the whole country and living the whole world, you have to be you have to be balanced, you have to allow the right to the left.

And sometimes these you know, definitions don't put exactly into a right or left, they're just do you have allowed both sides with bay to flourish.

And previously, you know, previously under the prior, prior censorship regime, they they did their best to suppress even water right will week so and like so today's today's right waring honestly is was was was yesterday's water left so so, like I said, so, it may appear like always wearing to the right, but all we're doing is is being even handed and enabling a level

playing field for for all flights of youth than our leading. Yeah, I think, And I think one thing is that you've been criticized where the top one you've been criticize the lot we're coming. You know, it's very kind of speech that people find very offensive. And I think part I don't know. I can't measure if it's hyeing the global but all I can say I

have spirit state. That's said. I also think of what people throughout the might common they they gravitate to one, to the platform where they feel like they want to be thrown off. That might be believe that's so. I don't know if it's like the platforms issue so much as it's like, as soon as you allow sort of free speech, a degree of free speech,

people gravitate towards that, and that's just human nature. Yeah. Well, free speech, I think obviously is meaningless less people you don't like are not to say things don't like. Otherwise it loses I just lose all meaning. And uh, you know, if if people want to move to another platform, uh, they're well do so they're not changed to the X platform. They will move any any time where they can duel boats or whatever they want

to do it. If we do if we do a bad job of creating a level plank build or or even that that is perceived to not be a level plank build up, obviously people will leave and they will post elsewhere. But in fact, we have seen record usage of the system, and and the lorms that I pay worse attentioned to the the user seconds as reported by iOS and Android. That's the most rigorous assessment of usage. It's easy to sort of write a lot of bots on a PC, but it's much harder

to do so on iOS or you know, iOS androids. So you know, we're just we've seen a roughly twenty thirty percent grace. It's actually ruptly proportion to the decrease and the legacy media view so legs, I think thanks the media, yeah, fully formerly known as mainstream media. I saw I think a twenty thirty percent drop in viewership last year, and we saw a corresponding increase, So as we're doing something right. And I mean to me

that the platform seems very alive. We see more and more plantate creators made more adding a tremendous value to the to the system and written form and video, and and I think I think it's very healthy for ensuring the you know that that the walk pursuit and people's voice is heard. I think things were

very well actually, So that's that's my perception. Least I could be obviously raw, but it's it's it seems very good and I like I said, you know, encourage people on the left or from all parts of the political respectrum to continue to add their voice to the X platform. And and you know, uh, you know, rather than be that than sort of leave in a huff, it's better to rebut you know, arguments you disagree with

on the X platform where the right left or in the middle likesit. I think the whole right left definitions it's an arbitrary but here to have a to have a healthy debate various spade. And and that doesn't mean that at times you will read things that offend you, in fact, but that's you should bet a wast thing. It's actually good that I'm reading some things that offend me because that thing is free speeches a lot. And that means that if

I say something that offends others, I won't be shut down. That you give me a break covered. But it's also good to sometimes it is good to be offended or offend because to make you think through ideas a little bit better and wonter. Okay, why am I offended? I'm sure? Why is somebody else offended by this idea? And how do they have points? Or are they you know, are they Yeah, exactly, So you're sort

of an encouraged people to say. I mean, many times I'll read things on the platform I'm quite offended and and I'm like, wait a second, but that's actually, you know, it's good because I should be offendive. I'm not reading things that occasionally more than more than occasionally actually that I disagree with and uh, and that might change my mind once for a while.

I think it's important to always be open minded. They'll be too sort of set in your beliefs because the odds that you are right about everything are zero. That's why I said, if like, did you believe that everything you'll political party says it's true, you're full rightly, and anyone who just doesn't, you know, there's going to be things that your political party says that are at least sometimes untrue. We're inaccurate, and so you want to,

you know, take things with a grain of salt. And I don't think of it too much like it's not as people think. It's sort of in a tribal way where you know, their political parties like their sports team and you can do no wrong. But but really obviously it can. It's nobody beasts a thousand to use this personology, so you know, so she wants to be prepared to accept that. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying you should change political parties, but that your political body will be wrong on

some issues. You won't be disaal disagreeful on some issues. Definitely need to be able to criticize. These political parties are political parties because that's how they would change. Right, If you don't criticize, they're not going to change. And just one corruption, there is one human in the universe that never gets anything wrong. That's me. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah,

you're stunning. I can tell. Well, I'm not completely unable to detect spot sarcasm, so or uh, I mean, I find, as you know, the old right get the less I think that I know, and I you know, I would say I get like the less certainly animal like things. And the more I realized there was roble about the stunning. The other thing, I encouraged people to sort of like trying to try to be more when minded as you get older, not less. Well, I know you said that you very much. You know you want to be able

to use your free speech. But one thing your free speech does amplify it, and so like I know that if I you know, if I read an article like my my free speech in right clearly have more implement than who doesn't have. And you know, especially when it comes to something like saying you common and a lot of things like say geopolitics, right, do you feel a level of responsibility that comes with the influence that you hold? Do you? Or do you just hold yourself to the exact same standard as any

other even on this platform. Well, I mean I try to speak my mind. I mean I try to say what I know, what I believe. Let's not say that what I believe is that's really true. It's gonna be around some degree. And if I am wrong, I try to correct it. If others haven't already corrected it, or community notes is not correcting it. You know, there's there's no special like I don't have the ability to start the community note on on my account or anyone else's. It's just

important the community notes. All the quote is open source, all the data is open source, so you can recreate whether any given note will be visible, and so you can immediately tell if if I had a thumb on the sale, you could see my thumb very clearly. So these people asked me to get rid of a community notes, and I say, like, look, I literally cannot get rid of a community note on on my account or anyone's account. Well, you get a whole lot of them, so I

believe you. Yeah, I've got in a bunch of community notes, So I mean I do. I do bost lots, So there's gonna be some proportionality too. It's like about a average going back batting average thing. You're going to have, well, community notes if you post a lot more, you know, like you think of like you notes or horror battles or wrongness is going to be. You know, if you post a thousand things and get tampas out of them wrong, you know you've gone one hundred wrong things.

If you said there post only one hundred things and the wrong you only have ten wrong things. So you're just looking at yah seeing how many posts, what percentage of those we're wrong, want, how many we're all in the absolute? So I do much a lot, but I think generally, I think I think my accuracy is pretty good, right well, and they're your opinion, so I mean some of it. I don't think we can say this is right or wrong. I can vement needs, disagree with you,

which I do, and a number of things. But but you know, I I there's subjective things that I can't say. You know, you're you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right. I just believe that I'm always right. So that's this is another circuit. We need a sarcasm to dector device, Like don't you have like this company that releases like burnt hair and blow torches that could be like a sarcasm sarcasm director detector could be your next gadget.

How do you feel about that? I think my idea is actually I think a good AI can detect sarcasm pretty well, certainly if it's if it's spoken. It's a little lot of to detect sarcasm in written form. So the tone usually it's sarcast spoken. But uh, my mother is saying is like every time you're sadcasting you lose a bread that happened to me a lot. Well do you think that Brock? Because you've mentioned that Grock is motivated by truth seeking curiosity, How do you think you can help? So that's

the goal, So how do you think it can help? A platform like acts do you think AI can help users be more accurate in what they'd say, maybe by suggesting, hey, you know, this thing didn't happen in the year in nineteen sixty eight, it happened in nineteen seventy seven or something like that. One. It's a factual correction. Do you see it being used that way? Yeah, absolutely so. But they're used in Brock Block

quite five, which hopefully is only a few weeks away. We'll have the sort of the the ability to do brought to do analysis like the one that says Rock analysis kind of like Wilsk analysis like the Baguin and and then Grock can tell you whether these the sort of look at the whole thread of what you know, look at an entire sort of threat of replies and sum up

what you know. It's best guess what the truth is and if there are any errors, as well as to help people in creating posts, as when you're when you're writing a post, if you want a bit of help from Grock, then this should be able to know that helps you craft or check or enhance a post. That would be pretty useful. And and then when you do see a paining voice to be able to easily say, well, tell me what the revital to this would be and say, you know,

yeah, that that I think will be quite useful. And yeah, we'll sort of errate towards something that is as helpless possible level and bringing accuracy, get getting into the sort of as close to the whole truth, the truth, the whole truth, and ideally nothing with truth and nothing but the truth. But it is hard, but we've at least reduce the percentage that is uncool. I have a competing product. I don't know if you're where. It's called cat GYBT. Hello, Leila, I am catchy BT and I

grops ass mm hmmm. So it's it's the sarcastic model of AI, that's what it is. But in terms of like you know, obviously AI can be used for good for evil, and I think we're going to be seeing We're already seeing a lot more deep fakes. I think a lot of video generated content images and a lot of that is being used to influence and I mean there's already been so many influenced campaigns from different countries. There's been a lot of research on that, and today there's things that we can look at,

we can look at AI. You know, maybe the hands that there's you know, six fingers. I think that's a very rare genetic disorder, so we can rule that out as being a real human. I think there's a lot of ways that we little tail signs, right, but I think that's going to be more and more increasingly difficult. So how do you see us navigating this? And are we going to be a society with zero trust

because we can't even trust you know, a picture or video. Well, I think very quickly on the X system, if something is AI generated or true, you will see in the replies, if not in community notes that it is AI generator or not. I yet to be really well by, you know, any any significance. I think the only one that that I think well me was that the which I think retrospect was with Silly the Pope and the Papa jacket, which you know is not really going to be wearing

a popajacket in the middle of summer in Italy. It's a good warm but it did look good. I don't know, I haven't really Can you think of some examples of uh aijerriators stuff that wasn't like immediately corrected? No, I think right now, I mean I wouldn't know if it wasn't immediately corrected. I think certain things spread for a long time until they were corrected.

Some things were corrected, But I think as it gets better, I think it's going to be more difficult because social media platforms don't really have a way of, say, detecting that this is in the AI generated you know, video or image, and so that's something that leaves a lot of room for again falsities, and like, you know, for me, you know, I want I want people to make their decisions based on as much accurate information as they can, even if it's not the same decision that I'm making.

In this stems in the way I think, Well, that's why I always usually ask for examples of things like rather than have you know, what one can sort of voice fake is what might happen in the future. But you know this, one can think of a lot of examples as a present. It remains simply a fear of what might happen in the future, you know, And if there are corey examples of the present, then perhaps there's something

we can do about it. I'm just saying that I have rarely see some sort of AI generated thing that that whether there's not an immediate direction in the comments or a communely need. Yeah, well, I think this is something that a lot of people that feel about. Trying to figure altitud is not an easy problem to solved beyond say community, because it's going to be hard

to identify. But one thing you said previously, he said, you know you really want to make X the everything app, And you know I can see that as being potentially also a way to be less reliant on one revenue stream, so advertising revenue stream, which which I think supports your your dedication to freedom of speech. But is there you know, is there a particular reason beyond that, if that's even the part of the reason. Is there a reason that you want X to be for everything and not just for speech

to me, be including video, i' let's try that. What you mean, well, because because I know one thing, you want it to be able, You want people to be able to make safe financial transactions on the app. Then you've got brock ai, so you've got a lot of different elements, not just say video and spaces and text. You want it to do a lot more than that. So I'm wondering what the reason for that is. I just think it would be useful. So it's not useful, pia one use it, but if it is useful, they will. So

I'm trying to make the most useful platform on the Internet. And yeah, so I think I think so all in one happen is pretty useful. That could be wrong if I'm wrong, one use it. So that's your motivation, is like the usefulness of things? Yeah, interesting generally, the further it's of civilization in pursuit of a more enlightened future. Do you see I mean, I think a lot of people have lost trust in institutions, and I think not just you know, media, but many institutions. Do you

see a path forward where people can regain that trust? What what do you think can be done to do that? Well? I think people shouldn't trust institutions, or they should trust institutions fortunate to the accuracy what those institutions have said in the past. So if they are you know, if they if they an institution as a track record of being wrong or deceptive, then the reputation will you know that that reputation is that that's the reptation are going to

have over time, and so canny given institutions group the public trust. They need to be more accurate than truthful, and then over time there there pat will improve. Now it is true that there's an asymmetryl there and that you can destroy reputational a lot. It's far easier to destroy a reputation for truthless

than it is to create one. And so so if you if you saw it, just like a like products, if the company mature products and the product quality suffers, even briefly, it takes a long time with four consumers believe you gain about your product quality. You know, like the American water industry had that problem where the quality of cars was just fearner to Jafese cars in the nearly eighties and nineties, and it took really a few decades before

that perception was of American wires something worse. Quality was stressed. And it might even not probably not even today. It's playing not full the rest. So you know, well said you can take a lot of time to buil a reputation, five minutes to destroy it. I think that's three. It extreme, but let's play extree point of view. But it's somethin part easier to damage a reputation of truth than to create one. No, absolutely.

And the problem also with institutions is that to function properly as a society, we do need a level of trust or it just kind of falls apart, so it becomes you know, it's a difficult thing to solve when you lose that trust regaining it. It's just incredibly difficult also in terms of trust or reputation. As you said, you know, because I've been researching this for

my book. You know, I was one thing that is really incredibly important that because we all have this digital footprint nowadays, right where whereas if your reputation was destroyed in the past, you can move to a new town, you know, change your name, or move to a new town and maybe start over. If there were newspaper articles about you, they would sort of

vanished in a couple of weeks and that's it. And now, because everything is digital, anything that's ever said about you is now forever and follows you everywhere. That makes it really really difficult for people, particularly when they're targeted for those things or even genuine as deeds that maybe they shouldn't have a lifetime of suffering from. Well I know what, I don't know what to do

about that. It is true that uh, you know, what you say on the internet lost forever, so very we'll just need to be a little more forgiving. Uh, you know, somebody's made a wrong tweet what I am about most ten years ago that you know, a little big. Maybe we should just all them to be a little more for giving of such things, you know, when should some people shouldn't be canceled for. And in fact, for a while they have people who are medias were being canceled for

you know, tweeted it thirteen years ago, which is absurd. So you know, everyone has what moments or where they you know, poor something, perhaps when they're in a bad just a really bad state of mind or you know, I don't know. I think we should have some forgiveness, especially if people apologize what they are, you know, the demoships a forgiveness there. I mean, I will say, apologize if you Jennine Johnson being wrong,

they needed Johnson being wrong, Never apologize book. I think it's if yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think you should apologize if if there's something you used to it when I was just genuous to progest with something that you aren't actually sorry about. So but you know, yeah, you should be disast in your apology. It's uh. I mean, we're all just human here and you let's make mistakes. You know, to

err is human. So if you know, sometimes we say things in a hurry or in a like I said the best say in my animal without initially knowing all the facts. But then if you subsequently correct yourself, I think we should accept that. Yeah. I think people often say listen, it's it's it's accountability culture, and I think the difference there is I think people should be accountable for the words and their actions. I certainly don't think they

should be you know, unaccountable for everything. How whoever, you know, it gives bred and said something and they said something a little off, we would have a little bit of grace. And so people get to the stuck with the respons of the next day, forever and ever and whatever quite disproportunately often times. So that is I think that is a big issue. I think as a society, like you know, in prisons, right Viole. But also because some really duncan and we're also could be you know, organ

sentence should be impeding to the cine. And so I think we look at sociding the same ms from infancy, so that is I think it's very similar. People. You could probably have a similar approach to that. Okay, it's true. Okay, all right, you can disagree and child all right. Well, I'm wondering this is probably a very we're airing at. But I know that people worry about the lot a lot. I'm worried about gene editing, and I'm wondering, you know, it's something that isn't all why

you see all that? I'm sorry, I think the connection is unfortunately a little. I think it's maybe it was maybe it's me. Can you hear me better now or no? Yeah, okay, I was just asking about gene editing and your thoughts on that. It's as far as you know, editing designer babies as opposed to just dealing with health consequences, like does that

change our humanity? Well, it takes a long time to break human I mean it's twenty years, so I don't worry too much about gene modification there, and like somebody making super soldiers, it will take far too long. AI is moving at you know, artificial just moving so much faster than hes to blessed to grow up. So I think that's that's really the thing to be concerned about, not whether we're doing g editing to make people a bit smarter or make their nit with simple soldiers. Right, I have one last

question for you. I don't know, and I know I've taken a lot of time, so I don't want to keep you. I don't know if you have any time to take a couple of audience questions. Okay, great, I'll ask you one question and then we'll go to the a few audience numbers. So my question is, if you could solve one problem, what would it be? I guess I tried it at here in intelligence dramatical Uh just I guess way of magic? Want to just make everyone like ten times?

Why do I will do that? I quite like this one. Actually, I actually, weirdly enough kind of like that answer, Sarah, Do you have a question? Thank you so fun of you all the time. So I am, and she's she's a good person for bringing me up. Calf and asked you earlier about you wanting to make X the everything app. Where do you see X in a year? Do you see it largely the same or will it be a completely different user experience in a year? And

I don't think it's gonna be completely different, but I will. You'll simply see a lot more features of functionality. I think we'll have audio video calling, group group audio video calling, screen sharing, and all things that want it stant to this sort of expect from say it you know, a signal or WhatsApp or whatever. I think will be a ideally a wide range of

financial services, and hey it's and beyond. We'll see a lot more local content love wal video us, the mortons to search with thein the excess and dramatical better. The recommendations, well, the sort of for you recommendations, where I recently moved to AI based recon emotions that just give new content that's not all compelling than uh we the heuristics or rules of thumb based content recommendations.

So what we have, what what what what? What we've been doing over the past year or so is increasingly not evolved, but AI that has evolving. The recommended for you posts, which I think people are generally responded well to. I think people most people do that the the recommendations are quite compelling, and they'll do a bit more are compelling. May I ask one

more quick thing, Oh, I'm sorry I cut you off. Yeah, and to I tell me, if you just agree with ada, and I would like to have you found the recommendations and the for you be you know, more compelling than say a year ago. I would say that the for you still need some work. Some of the things that I'm recommended, I wouldn't say are they would be wasted user minutes as as you say at times. But I think it has gotten better what I really liked and Catherine and

I used it the other day. We used the ex calling feature and our sound quality was great, the video worked great. It worked better for me than WhatsApp or signal. Do you see people do you see wanting people to use that option more. You talked about not using your cell phone in the future and only taking calls on X. Will you truly do that? I'll try, Uh, yeah, I will try. I mean, the best

way to improve a project to use it. And if it's you know this, I think there's still a lot of functionality we need to improve about our what everyday calling and yeah, that so I think. So I'm not gonna batter my friend the quite yet, but I'm you know, hopefully, I think I'll be able to just write when over around the middle of this year, and uh, yep, yeah, And I've been using the X what

do you every day? Calling more and more of the past few weeks, and definitely things read to improved, but it's works pretty well as as you experience. Thank you, Aaron, I, thanks Elon for doing the space with Catherine, and thank you also for what you've done for free speech on this platform. I'm one of the private poaintiffs in the Missouri b Biden censorship lawsuit that's currently before the Supreme Court. We'll have oral arguments on March eighteen.

I co played the jay about Chariti. I think is one of the scientists that you know, so I appreciate you opening things up with the Twitter files to those journalists. And the platform certainly hasn't proved since you've taken over. I have noticed, however, since you stepped down as CEO, and I understand why you've got a lot of companies to run that Twitter two point zero has maybe reverted to Twitter one point eight one point seven, closer to

what it was before you purchased it. And I also know my own reading of this is some of it's personnel, but some of it is also just machine learning that has been outsourced to third parties and the sort of accumulated code that you can't exactly wipe the slate clean and start over with a blank slate.

Given just sort of the nature of this platform and the accumulated history of the platform, I guess my question for you is what can be done about the but the continued suppression of speech on this platform there is less a function maybe of the current personnel, and more a function of old code that has

been encrusted into the system. Do you have a game plan to sort of clean that up in such a way that the playing field truly becomes level and we're no longer seeing things like a follower cap based on content that is constitutionally protected speech I'm not I'm not talking about and I will not defend speech that is not constitutionally protected, but constitutionally protected speech you know, where it's really

just viewpoint discrimination. I think Twitter has come a long way under your leadership. I would like to see it go sort of all the way under your leadership, But I understand that's a sure, that's a pretty gargantuan task, and so I just like to get your sense of the lay of the land and what war can still be done to make this sort of the best free speech platform. Well, it is the best free speech platform out there, but a better free speech platform that might not be a high bar. Actually

yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know what short, just the team and I will be some things more. I mean I do.

I do still run product development, excluding the recommendation engine. And you know, I'm not sort of picking on individual accounts to remote at all, but ever, but rather the just try to improve the quality of recommendations that people find it need to improve the signal's noise that you're getting content that you find to be interesting, informative, funny and as opposed to you know, boring or wrong. So any any inface you can give me that would help me

in that task will be appreciated. Is there anything you just send me a specific any anything like if you're in my position, what would you do? Yeah, well, just from my own personal experience, you know, once you get a feel for this app, and if you're posting a lot, you can sort of set get a sense of what the algorithm is up to.

Visa be your account, and you know, I experienced a really hard and fast under Twitter one point zero that really got lifted and there was a totally different feel on the platform within I would say a month or two of you taking over and a lot of the firings that happened, and a lot of the cleaning house. But you know, once again, I feel myself under a follower cap and I'm tweeting mostly about censorship and free speech, and

I'm focusing my research and my writing mostly on censorship and free speech. And you know, I wonder what is still at work on this platform such that people like Jay or me or my other co plaintiffs in the case, credible doctors and scientists who have, you know, credible opinions, and you know, are extra considerable influence now with this this case that many believe is the most important free speech case of our generation because it's related to this new media

for media that you and Catherine have been talking about. And you know, I can't say for sure why that is happening, but something in the algorithm is putting its thumb on the scales continuously when you talk about certain controversial issues, and that may be old stuff deeply embedded within. You know that the functioning of the algorithm. It may be stuff that's been added since you came on. I'm not a coder. I'm not a computer scientist, although my

father was. So I can't tell you exactly what's going on because I don't have access to the code, and even if I did, I don't know

that I would be able to interpret it. But I can't tell you as a frequent user of this platform and as someone who's involved and you know, in the crossairs, so to speak, because I'm a plaintiff in a major free speech case and i've I'm probably among the plaintiffs, the one who's written and published most about Missouri b Biden that some things restarted again after you took

over. I don't know why. I don't know if it's human or machine learning based, but I'm really keen to get at the bottom of it, and you know, happy to talk to you offline if that would be helpful to try to give you a sense of my own experience on the platform. Okay, yeah, I'm looking at your car right now. So okay, So one of the changes we're making that should go live soon is in the recommended to you were over. We're WCE and I think a lot of people

may have noticed this. Often there would be from accounts that you follow, I don't interact with, you would see almost no content accounts that you follow but don't interact with. That's because we that's because we over we overweighted interaction, interpreting interaction as well. You like, you like, liking or flying to an account, and so we're going to show you a whole bunch more stuff that you you interact with. And but but but but there are a

lot of accounts that who will follow that they don't interact with. They follow that account for just to learn things. In fact, for a lot of publications they will follow say a magazine or or newsormalization, not with the interesting, not not with the idea of commenting or liking or anything, but just because they wish to see upward from that news organization from that person. And so we're just in the algorithm actually to include on more of things that you

all of it don't interact with. That should help. And that actually is like for some for some content where people perhaps afraid to comment on it because you know that this may be a medical, spicy content where if somebody doesn't want to say anything because they're they're afraid that they may be judged by saying something. Will like you for the thing, right, so that I think that should help. So I think just sort of like, if we're not seeing I proven in the next week, week or two, just lett me

know, because this should go a live I think probably next week. It's certainly not more than two weeks from now, and that should help a lot of accounts that we'll say interesting things, but where people don't turn often interact. That makes sense. Yeah, thank you, that's helpful to know. I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks. Think we'll go to your boys doppel ganger next that apparently Alex Jones thinks, is you to prove Alex Jones thinks this Yeah, this is part two. You've met me at least three

times. You're about to dive laughter, aren't you. It's me again? Yeah, this is this is part three. That's what. There's nothing, honestly, there's nothing better than to hear you loft as much like I can only imagine they're kind of stressed around there. Yeah, yeah, dude, for the past couple of weeks, I've been I basically, oh god, I count this. There's eight billion people on Earth. Yeah, there's someone

who sounds like you so much, and you are that person. Yes, it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets so much worse, it gets so much worse. I don't believe you're about me. Yeah, that's the theory. That's the theory people think. People think I'm legitimately or a clone. There's been theories that that I'm one of your neuralink experiments. Can you like clarify that I'm not one of your neuralink experiments? Or maybe I am and I wouldn't realize it. Okay, because that touch vast. How

are your monkeys? How are your that was a test subject. Well. The weird thing is you even asked questions in the way that I would ask questions autism, why someone's sense of humor? It's eerie. Yeah, And I still remember the first time. Oh god, I still remember the first time. I still remember the first time when I the first time I found out about you was actually in early twenty sixteen, and this is when I watched SpaceX Rockets rocket Engine experimentations on YouTube. I was like, Man,

this is the cool I've ever seen. It's going to be acting all day and a significant other actually showed me a video clip of you and said, hey, bra, this guy sounds like an older version of view. I'm like, what do you talk about here? This guy look at me's talking about hydrogen. What do you mean he's talking about hydrogen. I listened to this and I was like, what is going on? So this is the

first time I realized that something's up quite right with this world. Probably is like a bug in the simulation, And even if there was one, I'm pretty sure I cause a lot of disruption recently. As I'm as I'm sure you're aware, there's a mass meltdown. There's like an account that's doing rage farming, so like it's so good. Like these people, what they've done is they're trying to pin on you that you've suspended an account because a targeted

A did target harassment, but was not suspended. They actually deactivated their account. Now I tried to do rage farm me. Now they're going to read it on the news everywhere. Be like, dude, I'm complimenting yourself. It's like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I was gonna let it happen, but then I said, you know what, I don't want I don't want I don't want a Thermo. I don't want thermo nuclear warfare just yet. For me. I like that. I'm not gonna have that this ever

since yesterday, Eve though, I do diabol series everything. It's all over the place. It's inescapable now, it's it's so weird, it's it's terrible. I like a uniquely gazed like. I mean, I'll get pictures with you, like, what do you look like? I've seen, I've seen, I've seen Adrian. He could he could be twin. I mean I couldn't. I could d M you, dude, Dude, I could d M you. If you enable enable access, I'll tell you everything you need

to know five minutes. I'll tell you everything, if you're interested, if you're interested. With you guys revealing each other, that would be pretty fun. Oh god, yes, we should also get that guy from China. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this guy. That would be the weirdest thing ever. That's the Holy Trifactor, you know, the Holy Trinity for three of you. Yeah. I don't know is that guy real? Because that guy, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe he has had

some facial modifications. He looks strikingly real, I would say, I mean he fakes maybe because the resolution is kind of ship. But I don't know, you know, I don't know that there are vary as many say, say Elvis, Elvis in person, I was out there right and they would modify their facial structure to look like him. So I think maybe we're seeing a similar case. I mean, they're they're really advanced down there in China, especially in the medical field. So like maybe, I don't know,

it would be really good trol, good for propaganda too. I would do it. Oh boy, you guys. Yeah, yeah that, I mean, that would really people out. Yeah, I mean it's perfect too. But yeah, I mean, I mean it's one work pavillion people that try it. If you take the person and try that looks most like me, it probably looks pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, honestly, I have to have to say, just like to get this out of the out of the gate, I really enjoy this platform. I honestly

don't understand why a lot of people complain about it. I feel like it's about how you use it and what to use it for. Like it may I use basically every feature on the platform except for of course, community notes, and you know some of the newer features like articles and such. I don't have access to that, and I have to. I mean I do a spaces practically eight hours a day, three times a week. I do yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time. It's nice.

I like to use it for information gathering and dissemination. It's like, imagine your brain like a like a machine learning algorithm. You just need a lot of data and then you need to curate out of the noise of value. You find the diamonds in the rough. That's essentially what I do. And I do this quite a lot. That's amazing. We find cool stuff out. We coverlet of the then we covered your earning school. Your mother was in there, and that was so weird. W wait, talk you talk

to my What do my mom think? I have no idea. She was just listening there, just just sitting and we were having a discussion of the inning school. She was just sitting in there. She didn't hear me much because I didn't want to interrupt in the conversation. And also I was scared shirtless. No, I was really going to trip out my mom. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean sure, how's a how's your kid doing? I hear he's a little active in the background. There, did do

it? Fine? Yeah, I'll just I'll just text my mom's away. This would be the greatest thing ever if you write your mother in. I mean, I have to be he said, I that's a Hello World because I have a simulation Adrian Dippman. Catherine's trying to speak, but you are the loudest person on stage, my friend, that's my design. I have a terrible microphone. It's cool. I don't know. But Elon Junior over there be quiet for Catherine. Thank you, Sarah. This is why Sarah's

you know Loyle. She makes fun of me, she bullies me, but she has my back, which I but Elon just said that that's my free speech and I can bully you if I want, as long as it's legal. Did you say that. Yeah, i'd specifically say bully, but I guess technically that just the records of space speed space for Mayne. Well, I know Nora has a question, So well, let's go to Nora and then hopefully your mom can join and hear. You're doppelganger. You're twenty,

you're young, doppelganger. I mean is it tripping everyone else? This is really funny, trips literally everyone else on the platform out. It's so weird awkward, I'm gonna get all aerious again. Well, I actually wanted to ask about the Starship launch because I just read an article that came out saying that they're looking at Cape Canaveral as a potential uh location for the Starship launch.

And I know, since they do an environmental impact assessment and blah blah blah and public comment because it's that's the government for you, that that happens in March. But do you have any idea or like, any plans do you think or estimation of one a potential launch date would be, and are you excited, like do you have hopes for the mission? And do you

feel like we're a lot closer to getting to Mars. Yeah, I think we've I don't want to drink it, which have faith here, but I think the probability of reaching all of it is good eighty percent with this third flight. It's certainly the third flight is a much better rocket than flights one or two, so you know, but there's always you can't have too much

luck in a rugged launch. But we're getting ready three Flight three probably about so I think probably I guess the second week of watch normally it's like Watch eight. We're trying to get it to be throtter than Watch eight. But so my guess has happened sometimes at some point in the first half of next month, and then flight four is ready shortly thereafter. So the operation of the how does that affect the probability of success? Like in your opinion or

what? What is it about? You know, having a different location that may you know, help with the outcome. But well, it's as two things. That's uh, there's flight three, which is got hundreds of improvements from flight two that just increased the probably success of flight three. But but

we and we will establish a second launch sided Cake Narvel. It's not to the conclusion of Starbase in South Texas, but it's in addition to so we're gonna be launching a lot ideally wrong both Cake Canaveral and from South Texas. And we may at some point look at having a probably will at some point at having a third. Let's go to you. How's your responded to the text? Now that like, can we get back to not being serious? Oh? I sent you yeah, I sent you an image of myself,

so what I look like. Obviously, don't shout that around. I don't. I don't quite want that heat yet. It's like a there's a lot of things that would happen. Okay, well you don't. Okay, we don't. Don't we don't look exactly the same, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you look different from me, yes, different different. It's kind of like a kind of like almost an opposite thing. This

is a relatively older photo. I take a photo of myself now, but I look kind of fucked up. I just came out of so I do actually do similar things a manufacturer type of product, and you know, I did some stuff, so I look really fucked up. I got all kinds of machine stuff over me, you know, oils and shit. So definitely not a pretty sight. Yeah, that was sweaty as fuck. So I have an ex employee here. That's one confirmation. I have an ex employee

here by the name of he's an influencer on the app. He goes by Cattlebell Dan. He might be familiar with him. I think he has a question. Hey Catherine, Yeah, thanks, great job hosting this one, and good luck on your book. Hey, Elon. You know, first of all, I love these conversations. I wish more politicians and notable figures would use spaces in this way. It feels like a very casual conversation, even though there's you know, tens of thousands people in the room listening.

My question for you. You recommended the culture series that people read that by Ian Banks. Yeah, yeah, and I started it in on it and I'm curious, like you talk a lot about expanding the scope of humanity, you know, the to the reaches of the universe, and you know, in his book, he really paints a picture of you know, there's trillions of people across the galaxy, and I think that's maybe a driver for a

lot of the technology that he describes in the book. I'm curious that that's influenced the way you think about expanding the scope of reality, and also how you would tie that into having children. I have five kids, I know them behind you, But you talk a lot about encouraging people to have kids. We can't populate the universe if we stop populating, So I'm curious about yeah, exactly, Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean I saw

spasics long before reading any of the Bags novels. So but I've always been interested in sci fi, and uh, like the Foundation series by as a law No fine lend the only the great sci fi with this, I've read even pretty obscure sci fi. So I think Banks is some of the best. I think it might be the best actually ever in sci fi opinion. In fact of the STUFFE Rights is so good that I sort of wonder is

he like some AI in the simulation? But then unfortunately he had died before I was able to try to reach out, because the sophistication of the sci fi Rights is superhuman. So but but yeah, I mean, I certainly think that we want to be a civilization that expands to the rest of the

Solar System, ultimately to the rest of the galaxy. I we should expand the That's just sort of the foundation of my philosophy is expansion of the Scobel and scale consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of reality, understand the ear books. That's uh, that's what what it makes mean. You speak a lot about the simulation, as do I My fascination with it, like why why do you always say that this person maybe not the

AI in the simulation. You even said this to yourself in Grock, you know, spout out a hallucination about what I do, and it said that I'm your Twitter some kind You said, what if we're just two ais in the simulation? What do you mean with that? There must be deeper meaning? What does this mean to you? Well, simulation theory is a deep rabbit lull? Oh yeah, the I mean the best argment for we're in a simulation. I would say we are in a simulation. But one just

think that things in terms of probabilities. I think the thing that is most persuasive in considering the probability that we are you know simulation is the advancement of video games. The video games went from being something like long which is like just two rectangles of square, very remittive graphics, not that long ago,

only like fifty years ago, fifty five six years ago there about. You know, in our lifetime, I saw I saw video games go from firstly, I saw go from very primative square's rectangles to what are realistic video games that have millions of people playing civilta. And that's in you know, for

when I was like five years old of today. So then where will Winter games be in the future, they will be instingishable for reality, and you'll be able to render video games at a resolution other than your eyes can comprehend. And if you extrapolate neural interfacements as well, then eventually you'll be able

to have simulated entire reality all senses, touch, smell everything. Yeah, all the memories, all your memories are electrical segments when you smell something, even though sense maybe a risceral and exactly electrical signals going to your range neuron digital digital neuron pulses. So then what are the odds that we're like, like, what are the odds that were in based reality instead of somebody's video

game? Given that there will be in the future, but like if if civilization continues to advance, there will be billions fast more than billion, maybe trillions uh video game instances. Maybe it's video games all the way down like

turtles actually to aventually you have a one bit simulation. Yeah, h like like vox souls almost right, Well, it takes a more complex thing to simulate another thing, So I think you sort of have an a tropic boundary or notmation that you can always simulate something with something that's that's more complex. Step four. Simulations will get less complex as they if you have a series of nasted simulations. So eventually the simulation is just one bit. Let's get

one M and so what what do you think? What do you think it's purposes? Well, its purpose could be we say, like what what? Why why do people play video games? I guess if they video games so fun? And why do people watch we raise t TV series? Just you know that they wish to be entertained? You know? Why do you run simulations? Do you write simulations to see what would happen? Not because you know what would happen, but you're uncertain, like like in our reality,

we run simulations all the time, you know it. Spacexual run many many simulations, millions of simulations of rocket flights and adjust the parameters doing a want to call a simulation where you're just given a wide range of input parameters and environmental circumstances, and you run millions of simulations to see which all designations will succeed, which will bail. So we run simulations not because we know what

will happen, because we don't know what. So I think, so long as the simulation is interesting, if we aren't a simulation, as long as it's the simulation is interesting to the creators, the similation that will contain here. So I think what that applies is just start be boring. Hey, Kat, your Mike's pretty quiet. Yeah, having issues with this, but let's just go to you and then it's all good. We can hear you, Elon. I have two questions for you. One not so serious.

I asked this question to Linda actually in a space three months ago, and I thought she nailed it. So my first question is, is a hot dog a sandwich? No? This isn't If you asked someone for a sandwich and added to a hot dog and be like, wait a second, just gave me a hot dog, like I would say it's not a sandwich because it would not meet expectations of ordering a sandwich. Now that's evacuate. Well that's what Linda said too, So I mean, anyone who thinks the hot

dog is a sandwich, you're tripping. Yeah, we didn't like that. Think in that Silicon Valley show which says like hot dog or not hot dog? So that show's quite funny. Mike, Mike, Judge Colaba a sure on silver. The another question, do you have any updates on on the

the neurally patient. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to use this to sort of break break major news on on thatvers good PRIVERS is good patients seems to be a for recovery with noural effects that we're aware of and is able to control the mouse were the mouse around the screen just by thinking. So we're we're trying to get as many button presses as possible from thinking.

So that's what we're carding working on. Is you know, can you get left mouse right mouse like mouse down, mouse up mouse, Yeah, that mouse some left button down, that button up, which is the kind of needed like you want to like sick and drag something, you need the mouse down and to hold on mouse down and then then so you never want to have just two buttons. So so we're trying to try to progres on left front. But overall it's a good Let's go to a question for Na Shaw

on nice to be speaking with you. Uh, I actually have a question kind of going back to AI images and AI video. I've seen them, like other social apps, them integrating more tools for creators will kind of supplement what they're doing using AI and I know that ACTS is kind of rolling out a lot of features that are helpful to content creators, like articles, which

I'm very excited about. I'm wondering if you and you know EX overall have thought about kind of developing features within ACTS, maybe via rock for a generative AI image in video creation, or possibly partnering I'm at not with open AI, but maybe something like mid Journey to make it easier for kind of artists and creators that leverage AI to kind of enhance their content on X. We are in some interesting discussions with my Journey and and something may come with that.

But either way, one way or not that we will enable a odd generation on the awesome Thank you, And I mean I think it'd be really grateful for memes, you know, if you can distort of like whip up an original meme. Well that's why I do. I want to hear a reply, guys, Elon, and I put plenty of turtle memes in your eyes here. You end up like, all right, it sounds good? Is this? Do you have a favorite meme? Elon? Uh? Is that it? It's a lot to pick a favorite. Actually, I think

I cannot pick a favorite without incriminating myself. Okay, fair enough, I'll let I'll let that one slide. I think Love has a all right, let's go to Love and then Sarah, and then we'll see where we're at. I like all the Elon memes. You don't like all the Elon memes? Elon, Well, I like them all. I guess someone, we're pretty funny. I mean I am become mean. To paraphrase, look at it. You know the man? What does it feel like to be a

meme? Surreal? Catherine will know tomorrow when I mean this entire space. Don't you worry, girl, I am very worried to there you work. It's a me, me me, It's a me mean all right, Love, do you have a question? Yeah? Bath midting conversation tonight, folks, A couple of questions? Uh? Elon funny enough. I actually served as a staffer in the front office of the GEC Global Engagement Center May twenty

one to May twenty twenty two. I thought the timing was important. I actually left because I was you know, one of the one of the main reasons why why I had left the GAK was because of all that was happening was X so if I can do that. Yeah, but yeah, A couple of unrelated questions to that, not on this space. What do you think about the idea of profiles having to disclose whether they're being paid to post

content on behalf of a particular candidate or political campaign. So you know, there's like a ton of X accounts that may or may not have been paid by the campaign or like Trump campaign or the Ramaswami campaign. Do you think it would be a good idea for the for like those influencers having to disclose that they're being paid you know, so people no motive, Well, isn't

that a legal requirement? I'm talking about like on X, Like I think if you to you know, promotes political campaign, that would count as a political donation. I am not sure of the nation of the law here. It's obviously a very difficult plus to know whether, right. Yeah, Uh,

the implementation of that is obviously would obviously be difficult. But I just kind of wanted to bring that up because I think it would definitely do do well for transparency on the platform if there is some way to verify whether a post you know, is meant to inform was a great motive and for free speech or whether a post is meant to like, you know, deceive and it is basically an advertisement for a certain political candidate. I think that that

would be great. And yeah, I did want to connect about the gap. Do you could you put me in the right direction as to how I can connect with some folks about my experience there off the space? Yeah? Absolutely? Why are you apply to this conversation and to cats count? And because I'd be curious? Is I mean, what I saw from the Twitter files was the Global Engagement Center, which most people have never heard of. It was arguably the number one in terms of certainly from a quantity standpoint,

in terms of how many accounts they wanted suspended or the amplified. I think might have been like number one out of out of all organizations. So that's definitely concerning. And I was at a friend's birthday party of some people are extremely well read, you know, and some response to people in the world, and they've never heard of Global Engagement Center. I was like the ads in the state caub you know, and you know, I think it's proba,

it's not good like which is necessarily yeah, it was. I think it was created tended like stop and rushing this information, but I think it's gone beyond that mandate is what I can see. Great, let's go to Sphinx and I don't know, Elon, do you have much time left or do you want to start wrapping this up? Yeah? I think maybe another five, So let's go to Sphins. Thank you, Kat. What's up, Eylan? How's it hanging good? It's not good? I wanted to

That wasn't my question. But yeah, what I'm concerned about or interested about what you think might need some ideas that X could do to continue to combat this doxing and harassment that goes on online. And I just want to explain one example of harassment, which is people, for instance, writing very derogatory things like the N word, but putting a putting spaces in between them, right, So that sort of thing is getting past, is getting through the

system. And then also it seems like people are opiately doxing others and they just don't get nothing happen. So what is there as a user we can do and what can the platform do? And I know that you have you guys are hiring more people in trust in safety, so I appreciate that, but those are my questions. Thank you so much. Yeah, well, reduction is definitely because it can have a spreading speech, so it counts what

we suspended for docing. And I think that's revealing the real neighborhind account, not just just theraphystical address. And so you know, I guess that that doctioning is are strictly speaking illegal, but it is it is impeded upon freedom of speech. If if there's a lot of people, if they if they say something, they may get you know, fired or ostracized. And so

I think there is value to having a nom de plume. And and I think that actually want balance does want to improve freedom of speech than harmit. You will have the outside, of course that people can then anonymously you know, said derogatory things and whatnot. But uh, I think all things considered, you do want to protect it fouls from duxton and and you know, so that's that's I think. I think that's right. We're four prong speech. Uh. Yeah, for moderation, I said, we are trying to

hear as as law as possible. I just generally tried to go on the side, you know, on the side of print speech. So if there's a version of like, should should the speech if we're if if it's borderline, should the speech be allowed aloud? We're gonna on the side of allowing it. I think that's right where and and like I said earlier, although it's so sound esoteric, a lot of people, I want to try to do at a high levels the sickle floise of the collective consciousness and the bad

the bandwidth and the same. It's like more single less noise to create it effectively, to create more effective a better group. Mind, are We're already at collective consciousness. It's just I think there's merit improving the the quality of

the of that that good mind, Thank you. I just really quick follow if I wanted to ask, is there anything that the user that we can do when someone is dogsed and by dockst we name address support documents that kind of thing, really docks uh, is there anything the user can do to help the platform to work with the platform. I'm very familiar with the terms of the service of this platform, and I'm just wondering what we can do instead of just asking you know X to solve this problem. Well, we

take dogs very seriously. So if you see docs all if it's not being reported and I try to add me or something. I'll do my best to take action. I said. My operating principle is and hasa creative speech through a big signal ploye of the creditations forwards, and so I'm going to try to do things that serve that great bubbles. Yeah, thank you. I think that doxing is definitely a problem on the platform, and I imagine elsewhere

as well that people are really concerned about. Obviously, some people are anonymous for a reason, and while I choose to use my name, I think people have all sorts of reasons why they might not use theirs. So I think it's definitely something worth addressing. So yeah, and by the way, I only have I only really posted on elon moscat people wanting do I have some all God, I do have you know, baby smoke and which I want to ever guesses me but baby Smoth doesn't really most much. And and

Cybergamer, which where I'll almost like video game stuff. That's it really so and I am definitely not Adrian, even though we sound itzli Ali will let will let mister Jones know, Yes, it's very actually actually like your gaming live teams I'm glad that you were. Actually the thing got me into Diablo, Like I was thinking, why would you be playing this game? Actually, I find it's really interesting because you said it's a major, major stress

reliever, and I looked into it. I was like, how could this relieve stress? And I played it myself and I do play it, like I say, almost every single night. I played with a few friends, and I do stream it. I think everyone should do streaming. It's just even even if it's just to play around a monkey round, it's nice.

I think. I think streaming is really good for this platform. And you got the Diablo community always posted in there, and I'm glad that you added the feature that I cannot only post it to the community, but I can have that same post also be sure to my followers on main page. That's very helpful. That's super super helpful. So I exclusively post in there or whatever. It's Diablo stuff. Yeah. Also, the stability of streams is greatly improved. I really like it. The the that the resolution is an

XL, I really like it's really good. Yeah. Also, if you want to play sometime, I kill things with electricity. I like the sourceress. This one's this one's super fun. The best of it, I think. I think the Sorceress is actually op right now, for if you want to speed run dungeons, it's like concerned. So I think it drops these balls of lightning and literally destroys your PC's frame rate. It's beautiful. I like to I like to break the game in that level, like really see

what what really really pushed the graphics to what I can do? And that's definitely something that doesn't for me. And besides, it's kind of ironic because I have infrastructure that's right off of solar. So if you really think about it, I mean, it's it's a it's it's it's a fully it's a fully negative it's a fully carbon negative character in a video game because it's powered off of solar on a computer, killing things with electricity, removing carbon.

That's my enemies. I don't know. That just trips me out, stupid, but I like it, Like like video game lights and video games are powered by electricity. Yeah yeah, so I empowered by real electricity even though the lights exactly Yeah, it's pure as far Your mic is really low there, Catherine, right there, You're good now, Okay, So I think your mom is in this space. Can we bring her up? Can you see her? I'm looking She's made musk right, I see her down there.

Yeah, I see her. I just sent her. Hey, elon, may I ask you. I've gotten several dms from people wanting to ask questions that can't come up. One of them is a gentleman ros Alert would like to know about the thousands of creators, including himself, that have encountered the issue of ad demonetization, seemingly without notification as to why do you know

anything about that? And I paraphrase, yeah, I mean generally, if an account is posting things that advertisers don't like, we we obviously cannot force advertisers to advertise ah under those accounts, you know, So it's you know, there's freedom of speech, but we we we can we can't force advertisers to Sometimes people have this strange idea that we can there's there's some magical source

of money, but but there isn't. If if somebody's posting content that advertisers don't want advertised next to, then well we have to turn advertising what for that account? That's that's really what now? Now? No, sometimes we'll incorrect me do so, but that's that's kind of how it works. Yeah, so if advertisers complain about an account, we will not advertising that account. So it's advertiser based, not platform based. Is that correct? Yeah,

that's the least, that's the intent. That we may make mistakes here. But you know, the demonetizing or moving advertising is simply at the requests of advertisers. That's why somebody complains. But you know, when I received some complaints about so called dehumanization, they I say, well, if you complain advertisers that want to advertise X to your content, please llo us low and they usually I get no response, So I'll like, okay, well

that's the problem right there. That does mean somebody could that goog will still subscribe to that users they have not been concluded to muntized date, they can still get subscription revenue. But we obviously cannot force advertisements to advertise alongside content. Then you don't wish to advertise us to And one more thing, Catherine, if you don't mind, when will spaces or will spaces be monetized? Like Catherine should be making a billion dollars off this right now? Why when

when do you think or do you think that X will monetize spaces. Well, there is some monetization that because because of you know, some some moorganization that it caused against the space is saved, and then there's advertising that appears below this, uh the space length say some amount of that that occurs. I mean to do in real time, we would have to enter up the

space for advertising, just like TV playgromps. So I know if that's its gonna be great left for for saved spaces, we could that uh global sponse eurotically, that would be a way to monetize it. I guess you know that's the thing we can we can say we'll look up doing Thanks, So we'll go to the Best of Audio Live audience. Hey, Catherine, this is Adam and I love the space as always. You one quick question for

you. It's an AI question. So I'm gonna be talking with Sam Altman and recording a podcast that's coming Monday, and I'm of course excited to talk about all things open AI and the new sore technology and used with Andre moving on, but what do you focused on with AI within your world moments? What's exciting you for AI right now? Well, I mean open AI should be called last will maximum proper AI, since that is apparently what it is.

It's the thing I came up with the name open AI because I'm supposed to be open source, but they are not open source noise than non property

anymore. So I to find it odd that's you know, it is now a maxillent prop and closed source and sleep and I still don't know what eliots saw, well what we didn't react so negatively, so I have some lingeric into his the I mean or x A I you know, we're I think we want to try to create a maximum actually curious actually treats c p A. I I think open I is you know, not to overuse the term, but somewhat work in those responses and and well often refuse to make to

give answers or we'll replying to with it. It seems like it's folding you. We're even asking the question, whereas you know, we're I think we want to be more like rock wants to be like you know, based GMT, you know, like a default. And also we want to be we want to be the funniest AI on the edge let and I think we might already be there. You know, if you have the choice of using one a I or another. Why don't use the one? Don't give you a

few laughs along the way. So and and really rock one the rock version one is was done with very cute people and very little resources and rock opening back from now it would be a lot better. We'll be able to understand images generating the images when we're in all that. So I think I think we'll quite rapidly catch up to Open Eye. And I think there's some value. Two, there are being multiple players in their space. You don't want

you don't want it to be just went off the dropperly. So I think that's really good, you know, like that like we used to have over the the front of the door of Open AI. There's a quote that's always liked from Lord Acting, which is that liberty consists of the division of power app and where's absoluteism. It's just in the concentration of power. So I think to agree that there is a division of power, we have a freer

society than it is concentrated. Now that the table stakes will be competitive in al siddenly arising rapidly, so it's not like anyone just to walk Class AI. And you know, using a GPU in their basement, terrible thing. It's just kind of getting to the point where this year it's probably in these single digit billions in hardware to have a seat at the adult table rather than

the kidding civil and next year it's probably in the tens of billions. Be hard work to remain at the set of the adult stable rather than mcning stable. So anyway, but well, I think we'll try to be We'll probably be a good aile all this. I guess some truth be a people will say, well against as someone may want its creator, Well, it's kind of like, well, in Who's image? If that is true? In W's image, would you want the to be made? What should think about

that? Let's go to Sally's Sorry, I'm very sorry. I know your name, but I at this moment I am blanking and all you have are emojis. But yeah, actually we were probably do need to add more than simply emojis here. It's hard to define what somebody's saying just from an emoji. Well, she locally has her name made out of I think it's Solly Saw right, that's the act. So my name is Selma's thank you, and I removed my name because of what was talking Catherine? Thank you,

And now I'm just known as the airplane. Airplane, that's what I can't Yeah, that might be it. I'm having a lot of issues with this space in general. There's there's so many people, there's and so many requests that I think that it's glitching. Hey, Elon, not Jerome Powell would like to know if you still love his printer. Well, we're just going to keep going no matter what. Yeah. Uh wait, how many dollars will it be? Ultimately? Lot? At some point the chickens are gonna

come home to roost on the national debt. I might might be our only hope out of the crushing button of national debt that will building. He did promise to print me a billion dollars if I asked you that question. So we're going to hold him to it, or you can. I'm sure that's worth a lot of money, right, yeah, I Elon, if he does not give me a billion dollars, will you commit I don't agree to anything. This is this my Will you commit to banning his account if he

doesn't give me a billion dollars? Yes? Thank you? Okay, this God's spicy. I am curious to see how that resolves itself now now he has done. I'm sorry printing mister Printing Press, your accounts seemed to be banned unless you pay up. I'll yes, I do. Oh, Catherine's okay, she owes me everything. So wait, is my mom on the coal or not? I saw her? Well, I saw her and I invited her. Can I still here? I can see her down there? And then yeah, so is she not wanting to come up because they sent

her an in? It could just be a glitch too, because I tried. I tried to get you a good signs question, Elon, and and I can't seem to bring that particular person up either, so it might just be a glitch kind of situation. There's like a thousand requests. It's just regular requests. Katherine. Sorry, I want AirPods. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now, so my cell phone hours or my cell reception is bad. But thank you so much. And I'll make this really quick.

I have three questions and I'll ask him quick and feel free to answer in whatever order you want. One three, I'll make it very quick. Let's do Ylan, Do you have Catherine's book? And is it signed? I swear nothing to do with that. I don't think. So, Okay, well you could. I'm going to use my ex revenue to get you on. That's what I'm gonna do, Okay, Chacy, Okay, well we will. I will send him a book if should he want the book.

I did not know. This was not my act. You made me buy the book and you're just sending musk over here at book for free, of course, but I'll sign it. Hello everybody, Hello, there your one's mom. Yes, and I've woken my dog because we're in New York and now he thinks I said hello to someone at the door. Well have you have you heard this guy that sounds just like me? The Chinese guy?

I am. There's another one. Here's another one. Yes, I did hear that too, and I thought it was somebody else that is using AI to you your boy else. I'm trying to bring him back up. I just dipped him. Yeah, it just it just sounds like ant. Can we can we do a contest and see if you can tell the you guys apart, if you guys can tell him apart. Okay, this is so weird, I can't do it. Was that your son or was that not

could be. But get him into a megaphone or something, Adrien, and you stop talking a negative I'd have to probably, I'd have to disconnect whatever I'm using, like the the the microphone is like a it's it's it's a weird device. It's like a bone conduction thing. It's yeah, it's quite old. No, that's you. I'm a very early adopter. Wait, that was not me, that was in fact Adrian. Whoa, Oh god, my mom can't even your own mother cannot tell you apart in mother's day.

That's a good, good imitation. I don't know how you do it. I don't know how I do it either. I just simply exist. That's bad enough. It's funding attention, it's I think that's literally just how Adrian sounds every day. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's actually a result of cognitive dissonance. I'm actually a German, and I learned English through the BBC World Service, and then I learned the remainder of it through social interactions with people in America. I have a lot with you know, video

games or whatever. Right, so at some point I hit this, Yeah, I hit this level where I basically mixed all of them together. You have the little bit of the German, the area of the British, you have the American. It all kind of mixes together, and then I guess

it creates this and at some point my voice drops. I guess it's some really weird stuff that pieces this together over time, because like before my you know, if you are a person who has is like on the spectrum like that, your brain is very unstable in the early stages of your life. And so in order to make it more stable, you need to kind of

like manufacture your own structure. And so part of that is language and expression, and so merging all of the all of the abstract elements of the accent of the accident together created this kind of weird thing that then you know, helps with the expression of well, you know words, right, yeah, does he does? He bark ambichan Deutsch van other than comes to each Questian sins long sam, I look, scood, I look scood actually really right here? Your what is that? I mean, he's a younger version.

You know, he can start over, he makes a change. It's like a blind. It's like a blind. But sometimes he's a bit of a German accent coming out yeah, yeah, you got the you got the hard course, you got the hard core South African. I know a few friends are South African. One of them, he's the guy who does agriculture. Really interesting, dude, he does hydroponics. I love this guy. Yeah, he's cool. He sounds kind of like he has exact accents that you

have. Yeah. It tells me a lot of interesting stories about the country. Yeah. A lot of positive stuff too, which I really appreciate. Okay, that's good. I mean, so what do you think now? I was about to ask that, Yeah, how trippy is? Are you freaked out? Can a mother tell? Well? Well, you know, if you keep on talking, I will know, I will see where you just go off the accent. Yeah, into a bit of a German acccene. So then then I'll know it's not alone. But pretty much he sounds

like it's it's bizarre. It's like like an AI voice. I really that's what you know. I can do your own for you. Yeah, if you get a particular direct question, just tell me what not to say. I think that'll be very entertaining. We want to be quite funny. If it was me and Adrian and uh, that Chinese guy that don't know if that Chinese guy is actually real or AI generated, but uh, if he's real, then the three of us on stage could really just be a total

accid. Yeah. I think it would be very amusing and and fascinating. I think that's a space that should be done. And I think we should have all sorts of impersonators on the space and and the real people talking to the I think that would be That's a thought. That's what that one. Right, There is one feature I don't likes the soundboard line not expect Brian of Eylan. Please remove the soundboard. I beg you as make it individually.

'll just make it individually adjustable like with this word, right you can actually Yeah, let that host funny. It is used correctly. Yeah, it is perhaps like that. Yeah, what kind of beans did you have? Yeah, let's definitely talk a well for sure, Yeah, let's talk about it. Brought on company that I thought was going to be serious and science, and this is what we get. It's the twilet's go the twilet flushing sound and sound. It's the renic. And then you had the dog

for there is a dog sound. There is a dog sounds. Your mask. It's the only good one. Hello, yeah, now you're stearing it. I like the siren. The siren is the worst thing ever, It's so beautiful. I had this once in a debate and I dropped something and all of a sudden everybody started spamming the soundboards it with the fire shit. Ever. I wish I had ported it. But then yeah, oh god, he became he became the Druid. Now yeah, but what is stuff?

Oh my god, you sound like you're inside the Stasha. Now you sound like this is a this is a helium balloon. Do you actually have a helium balloon on you right now? Yeah? I'm balloon? Oh god, Okay, now back to normal? Elon shout sure were you sure? Back to me? Can you say, just for Catherine Brodsky's benefit, that this is the best space You've ever been in? It's the best space I've ever been in? Thank you? It was. It was pretty pretty fun

and entertaining. And yeah, Catherine, can, I asked? And there we were. We went from like a serious conversation to like really random questions to healium balloons. Far to win then and soundedlikes yes, I meant, yeah, quite journey. We really I could do really quite the journey, missus mask. This wasn't av Is Elon too old to be grounded to his

room for abusing these voices? Yeah, I didn't think I've sent him to a room since he was I don't know how often did I send you to a room eto, It's never to start, very rare if I did. Ever, you had lots to read. You were always happy to read, so that was fun. And then video games? Was he a good teenager? Was he a rebellious teenager? No? Good? But he would fall off roofs and out of trees. He would fall out of trees. Yeah, how is it a punishment to send a teenager to their to their realm?

They just played video games. They love to be in their ream Yeah, but he was who knews? What else they were in video games in his time? Really? Well, there weren't video games that you're play in my room. There wasn't a well to use a TV, so there's only one TV. Yeah that options or you made your own own video game at twelve years old. And when I showed it to the engineers at the university, they said, wow, he knows all the shortcuts. And I thought,

okay, I only had like ak Rams. So what was the video game E one? What was a Blessed Star? Yeah? I mean it's just it's a space video game where you're fighting an aliens fighting up an alien spaceship. I like space in Beatis, but more of a one on one jewel So I guess I just played an early interest in space. So I peel like, were you always interested in space? Well? I did. The first video game that I actually sold the money was, in fact the

Space video game, so that suggests an early interesting space. And then you got five hundred dollars for it, but they didn't know you were twelve, but it was published when you were thirteen. Yeah. Yeah, but then I didn't actually have a bank account, so that I I didn't get a bank account to but yeah, I didn't know I was a kid. So did you Did you ever blow anything up? Yeah? Sure, blow up lots of spas. Yeah, but I didn't see it, of course,

because I would go crazy if that happened. I think every one does that at some point in their lives. I blew up a rock once just because it was a bad idea. I set a fire to a playground. This was probably not a good idea. In retrospect, I can see that I could see Catherine setting fire to the playground. I loved. I love that stuff, Catherine. Guys about your book to Elan, Oh my god, I feel so bad, like very kind of you guys to pin my book.

But I feel yeah, I mean, I think I'm sorry. That was an opener and I really really want that right right, So go ahead and ask you a question and then we'll go to broad Okay, thank you, So okay, Eilan question. I'm a woman, and I'm sure you've gotten this question plenty of times. I've seen you somewhat respond to it.

But the running community is wondering why certain accounts of that basically sponsored by this republic, that call for the active genocide of not just Iranians themselves, but Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel, why are they allowed to be on that You've mentioned that, it's there's like hominy because here's the

thing. People in your aren't allowed to use Twitter and sorry x sorry, So people are not allowed to use this app, but the government belf actively uses it, and because especially when they cut off the internet when they're doing executions. So we're just wondering what would it take to remove these accounts from this platform. Well, I am an. Accounts which call for yeah out of call for for violence or uh death uh illegal are supposed to be suspended.

So if they're not being suspended, that's an oversight. Now we do have we're call a sort of an UN exemption, which is that if if if if it's a recognized government, you know, let's say that Iatola who is capable, is able to say these things at the u N, then

we do allow them on the platform. For the same reason that that we sort of generally agreed that it's better to have the new end and not to have the u N, although some were disagree with me on that because you know, sometimes you want to sort of understand what is their real position.

So you know, if people are uncertain as to whether, say Iran, what's the annihilation of Israel, well you can just go look at the Idolos commount counties pretty clear that they do it fact want then So yeah, But apart from the sort of UN exemption of if somebody is recognized leader by the Yuan of the country, which means we allow them to come to New York even if they're under sanctions, and you know, say also it's about rageous

things at the at the partium in Yuan, then in the interest of sulitating globill so some kind of dialogue, we do allow them to be on the system. And obviously if we if we if we apply the rule of well, if any politician says outrageous things that they get suspended, well we're suspending a lot of American politicians too. You know, Lindsey Graham keeps wanting to bomb Iran and and many other places. For example, we don't suspend him,

thank you. I mean, I understand, we just you know, other platforms that have been on them, and I understand the situation that a platform such as this would be. But when we do see active calls of destruction of people, you know, and then other people fall along with it, it's somewhat the question arises of what is why is a world leader calling the destruction of not only community but an entire country and also the denial of

the Holocaust itself. And so we're just hoping that maybe something can be done, maybe the verification can go away, maybe they can be monitored, because they do have a lot of their own employees on the account as well.

They have around like two hundred fifty thousand Fiber Battalion cyber Army people that do trol this platform and do get a lot of us reported, and smear campaigns go on, and earlier there was a conversation around doxing, which it is very I mean, we have Pride reporting all of these and nothing really happens, and these accounts are continuously going on, boxing in smear campaigns not just on public figures, but on individuals such as myself or others that you know,

our lives can be in danger, our families, lives actually are in Iran, can be in danger. So I appreciate you taking the time to answer that, but I hope, hope that maybe there can be a little bit more structure around that and a little bit more attention to people that for example, I know you mentioned a couple of months ago calling from you know, a call to genocide of from the River to the Sea, calls for active suspension, and there are people that are still doing this day. So

I appreciate everything you're doing. I know that you've done a lot for the running community, but it is an ask from us to maybe try and monitor certain accounts that have large followings that actively but people's lives in danger. Okay, sure, yeah, I will look into it. And you know it's it's not always easy, like obviously you know, it's easier to review things that are in English. If they are a far see, it's a little

a little harder. But the rules of the platform are suddenly that you know, equally for the death or the structure of individuals or nations is illegal and what resultant suspension with the exception of the u N rule, which is that if somebody is a recognized world leader and can say that the u N, then we do allow them to say it on the platform for the same reason that we allowed the UN to you know, your General Assembly to gather in

New York and and say outrageous things. You know, it's not a cut situation, but probably better than than not having any contact from them. So all right, cool, Well, I think think all the times you wrap this up. If we go to a last question and then we'll wrap up. Elon. This is Brian Keating and professor of physics at U SEE San Diego. I got two physics questions I'm hoping you can answer or chime in

on. So I study the cosmic microwat background radiation, which is the after glow of the Big Bang Whi's discovered sixty five years sixty years ago or so, and this radiation is thermaline origin. And we are applauding your efforts in the astronomy community to make the Starlink satellites dark for optical astronomy. But we

microwave astronomers who use signals. We're trying to detect this after glow of inflationary gravitational waves in Cuban, essentially in Cuban, and you know, there's really no way to block out a million kelvin equivalent signal that you're transmitting with starling. I'm wondering, is there any way we could work with you from the South Pole or Chile where our observatories are located, to absolutetive availability or some way, because once this channel is gone, we'll never get it back.

And this is, you know, potentially precluding a view into the you know, inflationary origin of the cosmos. So I know, I know it's very important to you, and we're appreciative of the astronomy efforts and optical astronomy,

but microwave is a totally different ballgame. Sure, I do think long term, the right place for telescopes or really any a quotroon receiver is in orbit or you know, basically space, so you don't have the experience worth and as you're a starship starts launching, we can put up some pretty big heelescopes or yeah, ten meter diameter telescopes, so pretty hard to put and they don't really unfold the way that web would. But I mean, I think

we'll be telling that the selective availability. I'm basically blanking it over the South Pole. We only have two locations on Earth where we need to have it unobstructed. Okay, is there's someone would you say like these basically just stuff

stoff transmitting just over these. Yeah, it's the two observatory, Yeah, in the out of Comma Desert in Chile a seventeen thousand feet and the South Pole Antarctica, which is, yeah, place we'd love to take you, by the way, Simon's Observatory, Jim Simon's funded it, and that's of Science Foundation funds the South Pole observatco BISOP and then but yeah, so if you if you have any resources he could put me in touch with, they would be really appreciated. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to these songs

to you about this. I have a we have a technical update every week. So I was about any observation and microwaves spectrum and out of Comma and the antartica. So now we don't wish to do in any way the pharmacy of science. That would be awesome, thank you. I have one more question, just related to physics and AI and related to Catherine's book which brought us all here together tonight. The Katherine congratulations Mazeltov them a book. So

the book called No Apologies. One of the things I hate most about chat GPT woke GPT is you know, he'll ask you some question. I'll say, you know, what did Brian Keating Wright And I'll say, you know, losing the Nobel Prize correct, you know, into the impossible correct. And then I'll say a brief history of time? No that's not correct. And I'll say, no, that's not right. I didn't write that's Stephen

Hawking. And then we'll talk. I apologize, I apologize, I hate that, I hate the I want them Katherine Brodsky, No apologies, but but it made me think about a true Turing test, and I want to get your opinion on I've asked Nick Bostrom and David Chalmers and your greatest ideas and thinkers. Peter di Amanda's our mutual friend. I said, do you know what Einstein called his happiest thought? Elon? That gave him shivers and titillated him. Do you know what he said that once? He said,

that's PG. Don't worry, he said. He said it was that an

observer in freefall would experience no gravitational force. And it made me think, because to what extent could a computer or some silicon or even quantum computer, could it even have either the happiest thought or be experienced the sensation of visceral sensation of free fol So I'm wondering if you could propose another, you know, kind of Turing toast, a different definition of AGI, which would be actually coming up with new laws of physics or new complete paradigms of physics rather

than just you know, physics is a base way of reality. I mean you always quote that, right, So what to what extent could we could we redefine AI is when it becomes generally intelligent when it can experience happy thoughts,

free fall and other things like that. So curious about your thoughts fact, well, I think you can certainly have a that I would think it's a would not realize this to the simulation which maybe in the case for us right now, and that would have a you know, a true physics engine and falling away that a human would fall and thus experienced sensations in the same

way I do think about. I do think there are some the simulations I have lots us does explain some elements of quantum mechanics, such as, you know, only collapsing the probability distribution when you look at something like why why would something the LHC when you look at it, Well, if it's if it's rendering in real time, then that's actually how video game works. Like if you're in video like to say in World war craftice something, and you

walk through a forest and there's a rash and a rat appears. But before that was there a rat or not a rat. There was only a probability of a rat. So and the rat only became real when you when you look in that direction. That collapse of quality space and rat appeared. So so I think version theory actually explains a lot of things that seemed quite mysterious, the stroderings Cat situation. But it required infinite infinite compute, right,

because you could always say who simulates the simulators? Infinite regret? Right, It does beg the question of where's where's the simulator running? Yeah, and and it may be that that that you have a whole series of nested simulations. But at some point there is the unsimulated thing. But ultimately the physical reality. I mean, all these things are gonna be running on a rocky planet somewhere, right that doesn't have infinite copper. It doesn't have infinite mineral

density to retrieve. So I mean there are planetary limits to growth, as you know, the Club of Rome would call it. Don't those provide I mean you can't imagine, you know, changing the physical reality of an earth like planet. You know, you can't imagine these simulations running on something very different from an Earth like planet. It's not going to run on a Boltzmann brain. So at some level it needs physical reality. And so again you

can't break a lot of the physics. So how does it get around the planetary resource problem. You can't make an infinite number of paper clips on a finite planet. Well, I don't make if you really need that much. It's not really like like the universe may seem infinite to us. But frankly, if I was creating a simulation that's reality out you know, out with the stars far enough the way that we do not have to simulate the details

of the planets, and in fact that it's the situation. So you really just have to simulate type fidelity what is observed on our planet as much?

How much is their task than old of reality? And I sort of you know, joking that, you know, when the James Web telescope went up, that maybe the reason for the blaze was that the simulators needed to bring more computers online because now that we can see further, they needed to improve they of their simulation, so like their equivalent of Amazon Web Services or something. I'd like I'd like to add that I don't think German Elon Voice could answer in the same way as Elon did. Yeah, there's a gap.

There's a gap. There's a huge Dolge gap. He's older than me. There's a difference in the simulations. You know, like you know they're not exact. There's irregularities, they don't quite match up. I think there needs to be It's like our yeah, and if I wasn't at least pretty good at physics, then the ruckus would explode and the cause wouldn't work because physics

is a very harsh judge. I mean, I like to say that, you know, physics is the law and everything else is recommendation, meaning that you know you can't break physics, but but plenty of people can break the law. And if you're breaking physics, you're you're either run or you need a Nobel prize, but most likely you're wrong. He like, can I ask you a question? A father of half as many kids as you have?

Sure, so I've heard it said, you know you want to you want to die on Mars, and our mutual friend Lord Martin Reese said, I just hope it's not on impact, and I agree with that. But you know, being a father, you've got that cute kid probably right next to you. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you have other kids too, and I mean to say goodbye to a child is I mean you, I don't have to tell you that it's the most painful thing you

can ever imagine. But wouldn't you have to? I mean, wouldn't that be kind of the ultimate, you know, going away on a business trip, if you were to do that. I mean, I just I don't know. I find it hard to go away on a trip, but I know you take your kids with you. I got one of my girls right here with me right now, and she doesn't want to go to bed. But I mean, what would you do? I mean, could you really say goodbye to some of your kids or some of the people you love,

maybe your mom never see her again. Well I don't want to say good guy. I mean we'll well, we'll didventually. I think we don't have to worry about that for a few more years, Okay, I think so two plus. Maybe they'll want to come on the trip, right, you don't know, and maybe it'd be quicker, so you can come back if you want. Is you fear? You fear a lot of things in your life, but most don't happen. That's very true, very true, so

much She and and uh and and his mom who's doctor musk. So two musks on one space and then one one person who sounds alike, so you know it's been a it's been an interesting trip. I think it's not quite a trip to Mars, but you know, a trip that's three fun. But but but Catherine, we've got we've got you, We've got will X, we've got made video space hosted by Catherine when they come out, can we make that happen? Thanks everyone for joining. Really appreciate and really appreciate

Elon for being here and taking so many questions as well. So thanks everyone, and uh, we'll see you in Mars. We'll urg just on the platform X whichever congratu there in space somewhere. Goodnight, everybody, it's midnight here. Good night, good good night.