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Elon Musk said; We're all alien!!!

Apr 11, 202440 min
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Elon Musk said; We're all alien!!!
Elon Musk talked about the starship and Mars plan.

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So what I was, what I'm gonna go through to tonight is the overall, overall sort of path to making life multiplanetary. So we're doing a lot of good things at SpaceX. I mean, Starlink is incredible providing connectivity throughout the world and also you know, paying for a lot of what we're doing here. And Falcon nine is the primary left launch vehicle for Earth, just doing more non SpaceX launches than anything else. And but Starship is what is

well Starship. Starship is the first design of a rocket that is actually capable of making life multiplanetary, where success is one of the possible outcomes. Uh, no rocket before this has had the potential to extend life to another planet. And and I'll sort of wax esoteric here for a minute because this may sound sort of unusual, but when you think about the question of where are the aliens, which I get asked a lot, this is like the Fermi

paradox, where are the aliens? And I've not seen any evidence that there are aliens on Earth. A lot of people think there are aliens on Earth, and I'm like, great, I'd like to meet one, you know. For a while there, when I was getting my green card and never gets an alien registration card. I'm like, okay, but this question of where the aliens, I think a very profound one because I'm aware of no

evidence of aliens whatsoever, which means that I think we're probably alone. And if you look at the history of Earth, like how long has Earth been around? Assuming that physics is correct, the universe is about thirteen point eight billion years old. Earth is about four and a half billion years old. When you think about how old is civilization, I think the right measuring point for civilization in my view, or a good measuring point, would be the

advent of writing. So the first writing is generally considered to be the ancient Sumerians. Where are they now? They died out, but about fifty five hundred years ago was archaic pre cuneiform. In fact, I suggest it's like an interesting rabbit hole to read about the history of writing. So if you consider, say, like, okay, civilization, I think if you don't

have writing, you kind of need writing for civilization. So it's only been around for like a little of a five thousand years out of four and a half billion years that Earth has been around. And the thirteen point eight billion years of the universe, so we're all of human civilization is basically the blink of an eye. It's like it's a fraction, it's almost it's nothing. And I think that that probably means that that consciousness is incredibly rare and perhaps

fleeting. It may not last for very long, because otherwise we would I think we would have seen aliens, some kind of sign of aliens. I think the most likely explanation is that consciousness is so rare that and does that consciousness actually extend to another planet? Does that consciousness extend to another star system?

I mean, ultimately, if we're able to become a space bearing civilization, a multiplanet species, and ultimately a multi stellars species, and go out there and explore all these star systems, I think we may find that there are many long dead one planet civilizations. And as you've heard me say before,

we don't want to be one of those lame one planet civilizations. I mean, we want to be a multiplanet civilization, ultimately, be a multi stellar civilization, be out there among the stars, like you know, make science fiction not fiction forever, kind of make star star trek real. That's

uh. So, that's why I think that there's actually there's this high urgency to making life multiplanetary because this is the first time in four and a half billion year history that it's been possible to extend life or consciousness beyond Earth, and we've got to do that while civilization is still strong. So that's the overarching goal of the company is extend life sustainably to another planet. Mars is the only option, really, and to do so ideally before World War three

or some kind of bad thing. The key thing is that we need enough people and enough tonnage on Mars such that Mars can survive and continue consciousness even if something would happen to Earth. Now I still think obviously we wouldn't. I'm not talking about abandoning Earth or anything like that, and we want Earth to be as good as possible for as long as possible, but there are

certain things that may be outside of our control. So we want to just get Mars to be a self sustaining civilization as quickly as possible, and I think this can be done in around twenty years. So and this this giant starship factory that we're building is obviously key to that, and the launch sites that we're building here and at the cape and elsewhere in the future will be key to that. Oh, it's wild that that this uh, this strange

spot. This we're basically on a sand spit by the Rio Grande near the beach, and that is actually the gateway to Mars. Has to be like if this was a movie, you'd be like, no way, come on, too implosible. But it's it's real and it's due to you guys. Congratulations. This is the side by side of the three flights. You can

see our thrust a weight improved significantly. So we've made tremendous progress from flight one to flight two to flight three, and we got flight four coming up in about a month or so. And with flight four we should if we get you know, if fate smiles upon us, we will get through the high heating regime and smash into the ocean at a controlled spot and the hopefully be able to also do this with with the booster uh land on essentially a

virtual tower. If the landing on the virtual tower with the booster works, then we will actually try with flight five to come back and land on the tower. No, that's very much a success oriented schedule, but it is in the realm of possibility. But I would say, like the odds of us actually being able to catch the booster with the me Gozilla arms this year, I think, I don't know, I don't want to tempt a fate knock on wood, but I think the odds of actually catching the booster with

the tower probably like eighty ninety percent this year, which is insane. Like actually, when we first talked about it, it sounded so bat shit crazy. We're going to have a giant it's like literally bigger than me Gozilla from the movie that you would catch like the like the biggest flying object ever made with mechanical arms out of the air. But we're going to do it, so let's get Yeah, it may not work, you know, necessarily the

foot time, but you know it will work. So really, Starship is really the key to making life multiplanetary and preserving the light of light of consciousness. That's what it's all about, and it may end up being the most

important thing that that we have a do. I think that like the light of consciousness is like this this tiny candle in a in a vast darkness, and that candle has only been lit for a very short time, and it could easily go out, So we obviously want to preserve that that the tiny light of consciousness on Earth but extended to Mars and then ultimately to the rest of the Solar System and then start going to other star systems. And I mean, I won't be allowed to see that, but unless I'm like frozen

or something other. But but you know, I think at some point we'll discover many civilizations that maybe lasted a million years or two million years or ten million years, but a civilization that lasted a million years, which would be you know, vastly longer than our civilization has lasted. I mean, that's only the third decimal point, so like thirteen point eight billion something something years.

If you're if your civilization lasts a million years, it's only goes that third digit past the decimal point goes up one and that's a million years. So I mean, i'd say, like we should think of, like how do we make civilization last a million years? You know, we often get caught up in like the day to day things, but we want them to have at least a million year civilization, if not one hundred million year civilization

or a billion year civilization. So absolutely crucial to that goal is becoming a multiplanet species. People and people often people often ask why why Mars. Well, there's not a lot of options. Frankly, so uh, Venus is a superheated, high pressure acid bath, so not not what you don't don't want to go to Venus. And then the Moon is close, but it doesn't have an atmosphere, the gravity is only one sixth out of Earth, and it's missing a lot of key resources. So also the the the the

insulating value of the Moon relative relative to Mars is much less. So if there's something that takes out of like let's say there's a World War three global therm and nuclear warfare, they're probably throw a few nukes at the Moon, so whereas it's way harder to shoot Mars with with nuclear and Mars would see

it coming and probably have some time to stop the inbound missiles. So that the value of Mars, the difficulty or the distance and time required to get to Mars, actually has an insulating benefit to the for the continuation of consciousness, even if there's something terrible happens on Earth. And and then once we go beyond Mars, there's there's some asteroids like Cerus, some of the moons

of Jupiter. Starship would ultimately be capable of uh of reaching anywhere in the Solar System, and then we'll need something so a new level of technology to go to other star systems. But if we can at least get to Mars, then other star systems are hopeless. I mean, it's a fixer upper

of a planet. Okay, need some work, but it is. It's really the only option for becoming multiplanetary and long term, we can warm up Mars and we can there would be we can densify the atmosphere and there'd be a liquid ocean on about forty percent of the surface, so we could make

it an earthlike planet long term. So let's see, we've learned a tremendous amount from when we started the company and at first could we're unable to get even a small rocket or of it to now where we've done three hundred and twenty seven successful launchers, almost three hundred landings. In fact, you know, give it a few weeks and we'll have done three hundred landings two hundred

and sixty one reflights. So I many times I was told that reusability was it was impossible, and even if you did it, there would there will be no point because nobody would want to fly rockets that much. But now we routinely fly and land the booster and we recover the fairing. So we've learned a tremendous amount from the Falcon program that is then feeding into the Starship

program, and Falcon and Starlink all what obviously keep the company going. So I just like to give a hand to the Falcon team for the incredible work that they're doing. And then Dragon, well forty five launches a Dragon. It's amazing, and we've flown fifty crew members to orbit forty six to the space station and everyone has come home safely, which is the most important thing. So you know, incredible work by the Dragon team. So Skim the

hand that was couldn't ask for a better outcome. And Starlink actually, if you look at the sort of the plot of the all the satellites going around Earth, this look kind of scary actually, but there's six thousand satellites in operation, over six thousand and ten thousand lasers, almost three million customers.

So Starlink is doing a lot of good people for people on Earth who don't either don't have Internet access or it's very expensive, and so it's doing doing a lot of good, you know, on Earth, because when I say we want to be a multiplanet species, i'm you know, we obviously want to Earth to be as good as possible and Mars to be great. So Stallink is doing a tremendous amount of that, and we're learning a lot by having this big fleet. Stalling will also be very important for high bound width

communication to and on Mars. So from it from a tiny rocket to Falcon nine, which is a much bigger rocket, many iterations of Falcon nine and then Falcon Heavy and then Starship as Starship will get bigger obviously, you know this this year, if things go according to plan, SpaceX will do probably ninety percent of all Earth Master orbit, and then China will do about six percent, and the rest of the world will do about four percent, which

is pretty wild. And then once Starship is flying, we'll be doing over nineteen nine percent of all Earth master orbit. What you kind of have to do in order to build a city on Mars, and I should say we'll also build a lunar base as well, so it might as well along the way so you can see the actually Falcon one was really yeah, half a ton to orbit ling grief slight error on the slide there, so Falcon was

about half a ton to orbit. Falcon nine, depending on inexpendable mode I would do probably twenty five tons to orbit, and yeah, Falcon Heavy probably seventy. Anyway, these these are just obviously rapidly increasing numbers, and Starship in its final configuration or its final form, we'll probably do well over two hundred tons to orbit with full reusability and be able to fly multiple times a day. So and then there's recovering and reusing the ship. The ship will

take longer, so the ship. I think we will want to have at least two consecutive successes of a given design that's land at a specific point in the ocean or smash into a specific point of the ocean before we try to bring it back to the launch site, because we do we do not want

to rain debris over Mexico or the US. So my guess is probably next year is when we will be able to reuse Starship, but I think it's I think it's highly likely that this year we will bring Starship to or the ship the ship side of it to a controlled point in the ocean and have it basically land on a virtual virtual tower in somewhere in the in the Pacific

or the Indian Ocean. And we've already proven that we can do the final phase of landing, so coming from sort of a belly first position to rotating the ship and landing vertically, we proved that right here. So what we just really we just need to be confident that we can get through the high heating portion of the app of re entry reliably, and then we will bring

the ship back and we'll land on the tower as well. And we're going to build more mechazillas, so there's going to be two launch towers here and I think and then two launch towers at the Cape as well, so well have four launch towers for uh for Starship, probably you know, by sometime next year. So we're aiming to have the first Cape launch tower and launch system operational around the middle of next year, and that'll be important for launch

azimuths that are sort of fly overland. So I think what we should probably expect is that we do the kind of the development launches here, test anything new here, build the build the rockets, and then probably most of the operational launches would be from the Cape. So this year we're planning to build another roughly six UH boosters and shifts, and that production rate will increase a

lot next year. That's why we're building the Giant factory. Ultimately we'll need to build a lot more shifts than boosters, especially for Mars, because it's the you'll actually want to use the ship, take apart the ship and use it for raw materials on Mars because the ship materials will be so valuable. Most of the shifts you wouldn't want to bring back. You do want to

just use them for raw materials. Eventually, we will want to bring shifts back, and I think we want to give people the option of coming back because they're more likely to want to go if there's some option of coming back.

But I think most of most of the people that go to Mars will probably never come back to Earth. So and we'll need to ramp production to pretty high numbers, like I think ultimately probably a ship every like multiple ships per day basically, and then next year we're aiming to demonstrate ship to ship propellant transfer. It's hard to make this not look a little bit norty uh because it's two ships connecting and doing a fluid transfer. Just what it is,

but it is this is actually a very important uh. This is a very important step on going to Mars because you need to put to get the ship to orbit and then do orbital refilling kind of like aerial refueling, and and that's that's really you need about about five or six uh refilling missions for every one mission that goes to Mars, so roughly five to one. So and this will also be very important for the Otomis program for the Nest to

get back to the Moon. So we want to have a ship that is well, it's going to be a specialized ship for the Moon like this. So the Moon obviously there's no mechazola, so we need landing legs and you don't need a heat shield, and you don't need flaps because there's no atmosphere. So the moonship would be specialized. And ultimately I think we want to build a moon base moon based ALFA and have a permanently occupied base on the Moon like that would be super exciting. And so you'd have a bunch of

ships that are specialized for going to and from the Moon. But they never come back to They never land back on Earth. They just would would dock with propellant propellant tankers to get orbital refell So in terms of performance, we've

made traumatic progress on every level for Starship. It's remarkable that we can see the raptor engines and how it has evolved from, you know, optimistically one hundred and eighty five tons to two hundred and eighty and I think ultimately we'll probably the booster engines will aim to get the booster rangines over three hundred and thirty tons of thrust, which would mean ten thousand tons of total thrust at leftoff. So and then the Raptor of three also will not need a heat

shield. So Rafter three looks looks very simple, and it is actually simplified in a lot of ways, but a lot of the complexity is hidden because we have integral cooling channels in many plots of the engine that don't exist in Raptor two. So in order to not have a heat shield, it has to be very resilient. But that is actually what rafter three would look like.

It looks like Rafter three looks like it's missing a bunch of parts but actually those parts have either been deleted or they've been integrated into the system. And like I said, with integral cooling channels and where you need secondary plumbing, the secondary plumbing has also been integrated into the pump and into the the

chamber jacket. And yeah, so it's much simpler. Well, it's it's it's yeah, it's actually extremely difficult to build rafter three, but that it will be easy to integrate and will have higher performance and lower total mass and be more reliable. So h well, then can go for a while.

So I find it interesting to look at the if you look at the the flame tail on Starship and how long it is, it's a it's a very long flame tail, which is due to the fact that the chamber pressure, well, it's it's just outputting a lot more yeah, a lot more gas at a higher velocity. But I think the flame tail is like maybe a thousand feet long. It's like more than twice the length of the rocket. And that will actually get as as we increase the thrust, that will get

longer. So yeah, and inevtably, the rocket grows in height. So Starship two raiming for like I currently Flight three would be around forty or fifty tons to orbit. So the current design, Starship two will be over one hundred tons, and then Starship three will be over two hundred tons. And yeah, it's gone from around seven thousand tons thrust to over eight thousand.

Nine. I think we'll end up ultimately with more than three more than ten thousand tons of thrust, probably seven or eight thousand tons of leftoff mass, and at least ten meters taller. We'll see tends to grow, yeah, exactly, so it probably grows a bit more than that even Really, so if you look at Falcon nine, it's it's very We're not going to do the length to diameter of falconine. That would be crazy, but uh, Falcon nine is a very long rocket, and so I suspect it will probably

get a bit longer than this. But at two hundred tons per flight fully reusable, that is that is pretty incredible. And yeah, it will be on the order of five hundred feet toll and then we're at this this hundred there's thousands of design improvements here, so I mean, I think maybe the most one of the most profound things is Starship three will cost less per flight than Falcon one. So that's the difference between if you've got a fully reusable

rocket or an expandable rocket. The fully reusable rocket with low cost propellant and or touching this pressurization actually costs less than a tiny expandable rocket. So and it'll do. Like I said, Falcon one is about half a ton to orbit. The Starship three will be four hundred times more payload for less than the cost of a Falcon one. Ultimately, I think we might be able to get the cost per flight to Earth orbit down around two million dollars or

three million dollars. So these are sort of unthinkable numbers from the you know, nobody ever thought that this was possible. But we're not breaking any physics to achieve this, so this is within the bound without breaking physics, we can do this. So the Mars missions are two years apart or twenty six

more. And if you look closely at the Starlink router, you see the home and transfer from Earth over to Mars overit and that's basically to stay to people, the Starlink system that you're buying is helping get humanity to Mars. I think it's pretty cool. So roughly every two years thousands of ships would depart from Earth to Mars. It would look like Battlestar Galactica, but in a good way, you know, hopefully without being chased by the cylons.

But it would be an incredible thing to see these thousands of ships departing every twenty six months from Mars. What this diagram is basically saying is that for getting to Mars, we would essentially create a kind of a propellant depot ship. The propellant depot would look more like a hot dog than like a spear. Surely, just mix a long ship with a lot of insulation and we'd

fill that chip up. And then shortly before or as they're going to Mars, the ships would take off with a couple hundred tons of payload from Earth, reach or of it with very almost no propellant, and then get refilled by the tanker and then go to Mars and land, go all the way to Mars with over two hundred tons of useful payload. Then on Mars, in the beginning, we would, I think we would simply reuse the ship materials, so most of the ships wouldn't come back. But then over time

you'd want to bring the ships back so you could reuse them. And for that we would need to create methane H four and oxygen O two on Mars, which you can do with a T and CO two. So the atmosphere is CO two and there's plenty of water ice H two and so it's kind of like tailor made for well. Actually, the reason we have a methane oxygen system is because you can make methane and oxygen on Mars fairly easily, like not that's not a total walk in the park, but the ingredients are

readily available to create methane and oxygen on Mars. So so you build a propellant depot and bring the ships back and build out as quickly as possible a self sustaining civilization on Mars. And we want to get that. We want to get the cost of going to Mars such that almost anyone could afford it, so like if somebody were to just work hard on Earth, save up and that they'd be able to go to Mars. So it's like anyone. Ideally, almost anyone could go to Mars. And I think you'll see a

lot of governments also sponsor people. And ultimately we want to get so there's a kind of an optimal landing zone on Mars where you have resources, so you've got access to water or frozen water that you're not too close to the poles, so you can use solar power. It would it would be nice to use nuclear. I don't know if we'll get the approval, but nuclear would be very handy on Mars because you can use the heat and you can

generate electricity. So and then you kind of want to be about two kilometers below sea level, so if Mars did have an ocean, you'd actually be quite deep in the ocean, at least at first. And yeah, so let's see that's Mars. Kind of you kind of want to land about halfway between the pole and the equator in a kind of a deep area of Mars. If the deeper it is, the more you can use the atmosphere to break and the atmosphere density is higher. So these are all the things that

would have to be developed soon. As people ask me are we developing these things, I'm like, not yet, because this is the cart, and we need the horse first. So the rocket is the horse, and then this is the cart. But ultimately we'll need all these things. Less of power generation mining in general, ice mining, propellant production, long duration life

support, construct, a lot of construction, and the global communication. So I think this would open up a lot of opportunities for entrepreneurs that want to create any to create things on Mars. Whether that is a propellant well,

I think we'll have to do the propellant depot. But whether it's like iron ore refining or a pizza joint or a bar, you know, there'll be an opportunity to do all the things that we like on Earth on Mars, like a Mars bar would be yeah, great, So I think I think probably a rough order of magnitude guess for what you need, how many people do you need for a self sustaining city is about a million and several million tons of cargo. So yeah, which we can do, and we can

do this in twenty years. But like I said, in order for it to be self sustaining, you actually need the entire base of industry. You can't be missing any element. So that's that's really what's going to take take a while, is do you have everything you need to survive on Mars. At that point, the future of consciousness is asshired. So if you do ten launches a day at two hundred tons per launch, uh, a million

and a half tons to Leo per opportunity. You net that out to a quarter million tons to Mars per opportunity, So that means you can get to a million tons in about eight years, since the opportunities are two years apart. So I think it's pretty doable, and I'm like, we're actually going to do this. We get well, you know, we are actually going to do it, which is insane to think. So millions of tons to Mars. Yeah, wow, we're going to build a lot of vehicles.

So yeah, several thousand vehicles per year that's what we'll need, which really quite quite doable. Actually it sounds like a lot, but it's very doable. Yeah, if you're compared it to sort of car production, there's a small number. Of course, this is much bigger than a car, but even if you look at the total tonnage the it's still very it's very doable to build several thousand vehicles a year. So that's what we need to do, and we're gonna do it, and then long term will probably have some

offshore launch lights. You can just imagine all of these starships waiting a otverit for the planets to align, and then this gigantic starfleet taking home from Mars. All right, so we're actually gonna do this. And when you think about where this started out, this was literally just like a sandbar where we're

standing right now. And now look at what we've done here, and that we've gotten three flights off of starship and we've got a fourth, fourth one coming up, and we're building a gigantic factory that we'll be able to output a massive number of ships. So it's surreal, but but it's real. So we're actually gonna do this. We're gonna take humanity to Mars, and I have confident you can do it, so

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