Really really interested in this, and I just have one quick question for you. This has been the hell of a week based on what I've seen on X But what was the high point as far as you're concerned with the with with with what happened this week and whatnot, apart from the fact that you know you released it, which which thing really Yeah, I mean, this is our biggest product release in quite a while, and I mean the sol
cyber truck is you know, probably the most revolutionary product. So I've for to actually reach production and to deliver liver the first our production articles to people, you know, which means has passed all of the regulatory tests and and it is reliable and something, you know, something that can be out there on the roads. Was was extremely difficult. I've often said that, you
know, prod prototypes are easy, production as hard. With a small team, you can make a prototype of almost anything within maybe six months with one hundred people, but to actually create a production system you need ten sort of ten thousand people and two years or three years. But actually two or three years most people can't even do that. So I may not know this, but I take Tesla as working at the speed of thought, not not like
what everybody else does, you know, committees and whatnot. You guys seem to be able to spot something that should be done, and maybe other people have spotted it as well, but you actually get it done. And that's where like self driving. I'm really I've driven it. I'm very impressed with that. I did give one suggestion now, taking this the first time into
a great, big, giant parking garage, that winding dudead. I've asked the guys whether or not there's this is something you can do about putting a little like a bar on the bottom so I can see where the hill my wheels are. And they said, software done, and I think they may have implemented it already. And that's what I mean by speed of thought. So I like that kind of stuff. This episode of Monroe Live is brought to you by the Three Dimensional Services Group. Hey, boys and girls,
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I've got a question for you. How difficult was it to move from twelve to forty eight? Because I know when the s came out, I wasn't or the plaid came out, I wasn't happy. I thought you were going to do it on that. I was looking for that big giant weight reduction and cutting all the wire and whatnot. But this one you've got it in.
So how how difficult was it to get that to happen? Well, it's very difficult to change the bus voltage from twelve to forty eight because all of the peripheral items, everything that connects to it has to interface with forty
eight vaults or you've got to step down to twelve volts. Yeah, so you know there are there are hundreds of things that interface to the low voltage bus, and that's everything from you know, the electronics in the car, the window, yeah, the window motor, the airbags, you know, the think the seat adjustment mode. Everything is set, the headlamps, everything's set to twelve vaults. So the entire supply chain, the entire design infrastructure
is set for twelve volts. This is why it's been stuck at this absurdly low number for a long time. And I think, I mean it's people that know a little bit about electrical electrical engineering. You don't even know a lot, but just a little bit. We'll understand that you you actually want to hire voltage in order to reduce the resistance losses. So the heating in any wire is the current is ice squared r, you know, so it's
the square of the current. So if you're trying to get a particular power rating through then as you are as you as you increase the voltage, you can decrease the currents that voltage times average use, your powers will whold power consonant. But the heating is proportionate to the square of the current. So you want to raise the voltage in order to lower the current, thus lower the heating in the wire, and the net effect being that you can have
much thinner wires. Then as you raise the voltage, you can you can drop the thickness of the wire, so you can have much you can use much less. In a nutshell, you can use much less copper, and the wire harness weighs much less as you raised the voltage, but you did even more because it went to the new bus system. And you know, in the eighties when I was still working for Forward, I did everything I could to try and get us to go to the It was a bus system
that did that failed and we couldn't get that to happen. And once it failed, that's it. We can never go back again. It's failed. It'll never work, it'll never work. But you guys made it work. And I heard a couple of different numbers, but somewhere between in in a percentage of waiting was sometimes something around seventy percent of the communication wire disappeared forty eight bold who cares it's gone? And this is another thing that you know.
Multiplexing was that's the name that it used to be called. But anyways, multiplexing was really good. But it was it was too slow, and you've got it to work, and I just maybe you could explain who came up with it, When did you decide that you were going to go in that direction? Was it part of the forty eight bolt discussion? Or how did that work? Well, there's there's actually a couple of things happening.
So besides forty eight volts, it's also moving to Ethernet over canvas. So Ethernet just allows for a much higher data rate than the sort of the canvas, which is a sort of typical data bus on a car. The you know, one of the effects of of being able to of having a very high bandwidth bus is that you don't have to have as many points of point
wires because you're not constrained by the data rate. So if your data rate per wire is low, as it is typically with canvas, you have to have many points point wires, whereas if you have a very high data rate like Ethernet, then you can simply attached to the bus and not worry about any kind of latency or or packet loss or you know, date data loss
essentially. So it's so you need far fewer point point wires. So it's both going to four times higher voltage, thus having thinner wires and needing fewer wires because we have a much higher data rate bus. Now, I think, frankly, these things are pretty obvious. They're like, it's simply bringing cars to the you know, you're the twenty fourth century, because we've had
ethanet for a long time. Yeah, there's nothing that's really prevented the car industry from moving to a higher bus voltage and a much a higher data rate system than can bus, which is a very old protocol. And so I feel like, actually, what we're doing is we're kind of doing making the obvious moves. They seemed very obvious to me, like as as opposed to like some you know eureka. It's it's not like is it actually a breakthrough.
Well, we're just trying to bring car electronics to you know, the year twenty twenty three, right, similar to what you'd have for you know, a laptop or a you know, any kind of computer. Well, without sounding like I'm sucking up, because hey, almost never do. I just think it's because the leadership. I work with many different car companies, some of them some of them small, but to make a decision like that usually involves number one a bunch of nbas and number two lawyers, and as
soon as that comes into play, boom. I don't care what what engineer, If you haven't got a leader, that's going to be no, I don't care, just do it. And and that kind of an obvious idea to an engineer is totally oblivious to people who count beans and basically try and make you do nothing, nothing new. I mean, I mean, if somebody is gonna I believe it's important to be good at the have some good
understanding of the field that you are leading. So if you're leading to stay technology company, you want to be I think good at engineering, or reasonably
good at engineering. If you're you know, leading a company which is sort of more marketing based than you, I think being a skilled at marketing is is it is fine, but you know, like you don't want the you don't want your product to be something that you don't understand essentially, so, uh, there's a lot of technology in the car, so I think it's important to have an understanding of technology of engineering in order to make sensible decisions.
I mean, even for something I think as tripical as I squared to our heating. If you ask, I think there won't be that many technology company CEOs who would know what that means. I would say zero. I think like Jensen want a well, a few others, you know, maybe, but at the end of the day, very very few would know.
And and if they did know, it wouldn't make any difference anyway, because again they're going to have to bump in to the same roadblocks over and over again, and then there it's the other roadblock, the roadblock, and you've got basically strewed by wire. Wire is awesome if you actually I don't really spend much time on it in the cyber Truck presentation because it was hard to explain why it's going to be great, But you have to if you drive
the car, it's immediately obvious that's exactly. So the steer by wire means that the the the steering yoke is not mechanically connected to the wheels. So you're now, this is the way that all modern jet airliners so made. Uh yeah, you know, it's the the sort of steering yoak or stick on on a modern airliner is simply a command to the computer. So for
the cyber truck, the steering oak is a command to the computer. So that means is we can adjust the gain, which so uh, I'll try to say this in ways that say an engineering orders would understand, but also
that maybe a general audience would also understand. By variable gain, it's kind of like turning out the if you're going to amplify or something, do you turn the amplifier to a low setting or a high setting, And so you can increase the amplification of the motion of your steering yoke according to what speed you're driving, so that if you're in a parking lot or like if you're low speed driving, then a small movement of the steering yoke results in a
big movement in the wheels, so that you can you can do you know, a U turn with with minimal movement of the steer of the steering yoke. But then if you're on a highway and you're moving very fast, you want the wheels to only move a small amount when you move the yolk. So it's it's it basically moves the wheels the right amount based on the speed
that you're going and what your intentions are. Well, the other good thing too is this has real, real steering, so when I first got into it, it's very I don't know, nerve racking or imposing anyway, first time you get in this thing. It's a very expensive truck. I got like, I got maybe a couple of minutes of like rich Otto made all this stuff happen. Anyway, he said, well, this, this, this, this, and it's hey, gotta go because the you know,
he had a lot of stuff to prepare. So we got out and the very first thing I noticed, very first thing I noticed was I got to get out of this parking spot and with real, real steering along with front wheel steering as well. It's like it turned on a dime. This is not like trying to turn the Queen Mary around. This is a This is a really really in a parking lot. This is going to kick everyone's tail. I mean it turns like a small car even though it's a car.
Yeah, so that was another thing that has been talked about for years but never implemented. This car has got so many of This truck has got so many applications that engineers have been talking about since I don't know, Moses was a pupp This is this is kind of like everything that everything that I was kind of hoping to see. So I'm I'm very very excited. I also, you know, I haven't been the biggest fan of the Model three and the Model wise backseat. This one year is a monster. I mean,
this is this is really I'm really really delighted with that. When I got in there, I brought it around, showed it everybody. They absolutely loved that back seat. Yeah, so it's very roomy inside. I mean you can five large adults can easily see. Yeah, easily. Yeah. And I mean, like I said, I drove it around. Oh, I love the big So there's there's a bunch of people at General Motors when we're trying to help them out, I said, why we got two win shoe
wipers. Why don't we just put it yours doesn't have it? But I wanted a cam action that would catch both sites. You don't need it. That windshields so huge, and that blade is so gigantic. It never like yeah giants, Yeah yeah it is. And and it works really reasonably well because I don't know how you arranged that we were going to drive in the rain and the fog and the mud, but it worked out quite good because we've got tons of really good, really good footage on how that thing works
and whatnot. So I I I love a lot of it. Your guys told me all about the uh, the illumina or sorry, the stainless steel and it's a three to oo x x whatever but series custom. Yeah. But the big thing for me was when I found out I was pretty sure it be austinitic because you can't have rust. But I didn't know that you take the austinite, work hard in it and now it's sorry Martin site and uh. And hence the reason I couldn't understand the bullets because I've shot through
I do some hunting and I've shot through stainless steel in the past. Yeah, but with martin'side just now chance. So that was that was a big surprise. I've got a question for you, though, what was the biggest hold hold up? I mean everybody's been, you know, holding their breath for at least four years, so what really was the biggest the biggest challenge?
Well, I think people sometimes forget, you know, it's not like we're going to deliver the car, and twenty nineteen we announced car twenty nineteen. I think we sort of expected paths that we're in production in twenty a couple of years later and twenty one or something like that. But you know that there was a worldwide pandemic. Then there was a global chip shortage,
and there were shortages of so many parts. It would be irrelevant for us to bring to market a car for what that we simply do not have parts. To me, Yeah, so that's a pretty good reason. Yeah, I would add parts, we would add complexity, yeah, but we would not show any incremental units. And that's that's uh, it would actually make that make company worse. Yeah, So at the end of the day,
I wasn't going to try and answer that question. You know, a lot of people have been asking, well, first off, we were under an nd A kind of thing, and then and then people were asking me the same question over and over again, and I'm thinking, you know what, this would be a good time for you to shut up, Sandy, and let's find out for sure. And that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah,
it just wasn't there. We couldn't make them. So now for a few years there we we we actually couldn't even make enough of the Model Y Model three. We were actually production constrained because of multiple potch storges, so that the global pandemic shut down massive sections of the global supply chain. Yeah, well it was true for everyone. Nobody. Nobody was immune to that
stuff. So so it was just if we if we can't even make enough of the cars that we have designed, what's the point of bringing a new one to market? Right? So I've got another question, Then, what are you looking at? I've been asked Bloomberg and the I don't know, a bunch of bunch of these different news magazines have been asking me, what's the you know, volume going to be for this thing, say in twelve months? What are you looking at? Well, we have your cautious about
four looking statements. As a public, publicly traded company, this is not and it's also very difficult to forecast the production ramp in the beginning because the production rapp is like this very difficult s curve, which means the production is very slow in the beginning. You're constrained by whatever the least lucky, least
competent thing out of ten thousand items is. So the weak link. Yeah, there's at least ten thousand unique parts and processes required to scale production and whatever the like I said, the least lucky, dumbest thing in the whole system. And it could be something complicated or something trivial that actually sets your output rate. So it's difficult. It's very difficult to predict the slope of that s code. That's why you know it's and even just a few months
difference one way or the other can really change the unit volume. But the cyber truck is not something that will be material to the to Tesla's financials next year, meaning it will not you know, of the vehicles we make, it will be still such a small percentage that it will not be material in twenty twenty four. It will probably be material in twenty twenty five. Yeah.
Well, I when we went down, they were dry cycling the machines and went on, and you know, I'm a pretty good guesser, and it looked like this thing could be produced at sixty well when every sixty second, sixty jobs an hour, whatever you want. It seemed to be somewhere in there and your other ones. When I went through year before the model, why I was doing about forty three seconds and I got exactly the same number when I went through. When I went through, what do you call
it Berlin. So I think at sixty sixty jobs per hours, kind of like where everybody else is, nobody's at forty three nobody, so that you're unique. That that's that's great for the for the three and the and the why. I'm just hoping this thing will ramp up quickly. I know that I talked to Oh, we missed you at the party last night. I'm sure you had other things on your mind, but there was a there was about two thousand people there and or Becks had this party anyhow, it was
really kind of cool. But if you could have been there or maybe just been a fly on the wall to hear what everyone had to say, I mean, there was plenty of cheering and plenty of plenty of people anxiously awaiting their their delivery on this. So I think that I think that this is, without a question of a doubt, the most brilliant product that I worked on. We worked on the Mini, but not the original one. So
is Agonus brought that out. That was a big deal. And then they and Danger Danger I don't know, I have no ideas, but anyways, on this one here, I think that this is the most iconic vehicle that we've seen in at least forty years. Thirty or forty years. This is this is I specifically to make something that looked like the future. Wow. So yeah, it's like, I mean I think that the really really it's
like if what car would blade run or drive that way? Yeah? Yeah, so that's that's kind of like what I was like, I mean, astal carrier from the future exactly. And quite frankly, I wanted to do something like this when I was working at we were working for uh Land Rover and they, you know, there was a thing called Judge Judge dread. Yeah, judge read reread or drive this car for sure exactly, and that's
what we wanted to do. I wanted to buy the frames, ship them over to the States, and then I would put a Judge Dread body on it. They wouldn't go for it, Oh no, no, that'll never work. This, on the other hand, is just absolutely phenomenal. When we were driving, there was fog and muck and whatnot. The wing mears were continuously fogging up, but it didn't matter once I found out that I could, so I just turned a turn signal and I could see what was
going on. If I needed to see something else. Flip on the turn signal, the camera comes up as clear as day, perfect, perfect, And then I find out that you also can wash the wash the glass like the lenses off. Brilliant. I mean, I just don't understand why it is that no one else has kind of like jumped into this everybody else at all? Is the regulation? Well that means that we we just got to stop right there, and that's that's the stupid part. But I got a
chance to see all the stuff. I mean, I'm really kind of impressed. From an engineering standpoint, this is like, this is like nothing, Nobody's got anything quite like this. So I'm like, I say, I know you're pressed for time, but I have just one other thing I'd like to talk about a little bit. So we have this iconic vehicle and it'll be it'll be great. I'm hoping, hoping I can get a couple of them, so I know that this is going to be a great vehicle.
But there's the other guys that are also dying to get a Tesla, the twenty five thousand dollars Tesla, and so I'm wondering, where where is that exactly where where are you with that. Yeah, Unfortunately, because you're a publicly traded company, I kind of comment on things that would have a material impact on our financials. Okay, well there you go. Yeah, But
anyways, I'm hoping that that's not too far down the line. I really really would like to see something where we can where like this one here. I'm told that the one that I'm looking for, the beast, the tri motor and everything. Yeah, and i'd like to get two of those in that vehicle is like one hundred plus grant. I think that I think that that's the right price for this, but it's not the right price for the
for the kid that wants to take one to college or whatnot. So that's why I'm kind of anxious to find out what it is that can be done and for those others that want to get into electrification but can't. So if we can't do that, then let me shift gears. And what do you think about that? You can say a little bit. I just can't tell you, you know, unit volume in dates, because that has a mask
that then that is a that is projecting the financials. Yeah, so we obviously are we are working on a low cost electric vehicle that were made a very high volume. We're quite far advanced in that work. The you know, I review the production line plans for that every week, and I think the the the revolution in manufacturing that will be represented by that car will blow people's minds. It is not like any car production line that anyone's ever seen.
It's just going to have the basically unbossed system or would this be too much of a question as the thing, the thing that's most interesting about this is a production system. It's a level of production technology that is far in advance of any automotive plant on Earth. I can early wait now, it's
gonna be cool. It's going to be very yeah, I think, you know, And I should point out the uh that that we will be making that the first production line will be here in the Giga factory in Texas, in this facility, that it's going to be in Mexico or something that will be the second place. Mhm oh, that's way cool. It would takes you long to complete the factory in Mexico. Well, this place here seems to be growing every time I come here. It seems to get bigger.
We're adding a significant extension on the south and adding more buildings on on. We have two thousand acres, so this is really just a small part of the property. Yeah. Well, also, I kept hearing phase one. This is phase one. So this is phase one. I can't imagine what all the other phases must be. So yeah, this building is uh is three times the size of the Pentagon. Yeah, well the Pentagon I got
lost in as well. Yeah, it's easy to do that, but this, this building is so unique in that everybody has ever since alber Khan showed us, hey, let's have a flat building and gobble up a whole bunch of property and then we don't have to go up and down we building that we do have flows this building, and yeah, I know, this has got plenty of floors, and and what's nice about it is I start with the light stuff and I move it down to the heavy stuff, and then
I've drive it out the door. This what's that thing right over there? The seat system, that's a that's a great example of I mean, people have talked about doing that. Nobody had the guts to do that. And and by the way, I don't know, I don't know if you know it, but my my office chair is a model model wise seat that I put little rollers on. Well, I have a bad I have a real problem with my back. And and that's the only thing. I mean,
I don't I don't need to have a chiropractor. I mean I had gone to the chiropractor in over a year, a year and a half, I guess now, because that's thet I have no idea. You know, we've taken them apart and one not. But I'm not a seat engineer. That just seems to be perfect for everybody that I know of that sits in the
front seats absolutely loves them. So but having those and popping them in and I mean all the all the glorious stuff you did with the with how manufacturing should be done, it drives me wild why other people haven't done anything. But again I I I don't know. I hate to start drooling all over you, but I think it's just great leadership. I really, I really appreciate that. Yeah, I mean I pushed things very hard on engineering front.
So we would have been more adventurous actually with you know, with a Model three or a Model Y, but we couldn't take a chance on a on being too radical because if those were bet the company cars, so you know, with with the cyber truck, it's no longer a bet the company situation. So we have the freedom to be adventurous here. H So let me ask an adventurous question. Okay, So I made a lot of noise
about what I think the future is going to look like. And one of the things that I've said is that probably the biggest car company on the planet will be by A d And then I'm putting Tessela in on second simply because dyd's got such a head start. I've heard plenty of people, you know, criticizing that. But who do you think is going to be the winners and losers in the car industry? Well, I think it's too early to
say for sure, but I mean the future is definitely electric. So yeah, companies that are not making a significant investment in electric electric vehicles are basically consigning themselves to the fate of the horse and buggy market. You know in the nineteen twenties, Yeah, you know, there are companies that were double down on the on horse carriages and actually you know so so you know you
don't want to be the buggy what manufacturer in the age of water? Yes, yeah, exactly right, so but there for me, there's two giants, three giants that I think are going to come down real hard and and one in particular. But I just decided I don't want to go down that path. So what I want to do is basically basically just tell you that
this has really been phenomenal. I I'm really hoping that somehow I can make something happen for us to well for me, first off, to drive something around and then secondly something that we can we can tear down and enlighten the rest of the planet on and by the way, I forgot, I even have a gift for you. So there you go, so the all you can open it up. It's got a little flap in the front. Here
you go and there you are. So so anyways, I gave him owner, Yes if so, and you can glue it to the fridge too, So there you are fridge magnet. Yeah, yeah, well you're welcome. I it's not much, but I I really think that it's the least I can do for all the stuff that you've done for Monroe. I mean, you put us on the map I had. You know, it's been a rough first half of this year, this part of the year seems to be going a whole lot better, and I, like, I say, I
want to be cognizant of your time and consider it. So I'd like to thank you. By the way, I've got one other thing. Both of us are we're aliens, okay, both of us. You came from Canada and before that South Africa. I came from Canada, and I found that that Americans have kind of lost their way a little bit thinking about history. And there's this Guyed Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Jefferson used to say. He used to say, in matters of fashion, go with the flow. In
matters of principle, stand like a rock. I'm going to end this with shaking your hand, thanking you, thanking you for standing like a rock when you're sitting on a stage and someone is trying to humiliate you. I I told everybody I won't go into this and I'm not going to get all, you know, emotional and everything. But to me, I've watched that one clip that people have been putting out to me and putting up against forgotten their
name, Disney or Land or whatever. At the end of the day, I will never take my grandchildren ever to that place, ever, And I think you have to wonder what would Walt Disney think of the company that is his namesake. Today, I'm telling you what I think, Walt Disney turning in is gveray faster than the growbit. I Well, I'm telling you what I believe that. I believe that it won't. It won't take too much longer before somebody goes, hey, you know what, this is bullshit.
We we aren't we we we shouldn't be having to shovel down our throat any longer, and then there'll be a big change. But it isn't going to happen. It isn't going to happen next week, that's for sure, and that's unfortunate. But I love the first step for me. Right now,
I think that people have gone completely stupid. I think that that I'm not supposed to talk about this either, but I think that people have fallen into that same trap as what Nazi Germany had, where mass hysteria took over and created a real giant mess and it took a World war to quell that. Those incredibly bad thinking and stuff like that. So I'm hoping that it won't take a third World War to make something like that change the way we're thinking
and whatnot. But I do believe that somebody, somebody has to start looking at what's going on in the education system because listening to people talk just I have to get up and walk away. It's very difficult for me to hire people because if I hear that kind of stuff. You know, we both
chose this country. It wasn't that we got born here. We came here because this was this was the land of opportunity and and for measly, a country where you know you're you're you make progress based on on your skill and your ability to work and how Yeah, if you're able to do you know, very useful things, then you get ahead. And uh, I feel like we're starting to lose that starting. I'd say that we're getting real close to a watershed. And when that happens, it's very very difficult to make
to make the water go uphill. So I'm I'm very, very very nervous. I I don't know why or how this has happened. That's not my area of expertise, but I do know what I see. I want to try to figure that out. Like I think some of these things started probably earlier than people realize. I'm thinking. I think when they started with the politically correct philosophy and whatnot, I think that that tipping that was starting, that that's kind of like where it started. And then and now it's gotten
so ridiculous that it even funny. And I don't know how that's like. It's like, it's really just another way of saying, like you have to lie to fit in exactly, and then how and then more and more you have to lie to fit in more and more light to fit in. And eventually that that that sort of housive cards of lives will collapse. It always does and it always has. But when it collapses, who gets crushed? And and is there any recovery from something like that? How? How?
Uh how how damn dumb can people be? Well, we've watched it happened in the past. People who read history have watched the Roman Empire collapse, the Greeks, the Egyptians. I mean, show show me a nation, show me a civilization, I should say, and I'll show you, hey, that collapsed. And why did it collapse? Well because the people went stupid or they spent more time watching watching what's going at this circus as opposed to watching what was happening in their backyard. I mean, yes, very
few empires collapsed simply due to external forces. They first defeated themselves from within exactly. Yeah. The only way to lose in the United States would be if we if we tear it down from the inside. And it seems to me anyway that there's a lot of that stuff going on right now. So yes, I think, I think, I suspect things will come to a head and the not too distant future. I hope you're well. I hope you're right and it moves in the right direction, but that there's going to
be something else. Yeah, now that's that's the truth too. Yeah. So anyway, I know your son needs to get to bed. Yeah, and I pee quite frank. We were at that last night and I'm fading fast. I had about six cups of coffee. It was a lot of fun. But anyways, thank you so much, thank you. I really
appreciate it. You're welcome. Yeah, and thanks very much everybody for watching, and Elon for for giving up his time, and and really I don't know what time it is, but if you've got to go back to work for another two hours, i'd say you