You don't need college to learn and learn stuff. Okay, everything is available basically for free. You can learn anything you want for free. It is not a question of learning. There is a value that colleges have, which is, like, you know, seeing whether somebody's is can somebody work hard at something including a bunch of sort of annoying homework assignments and still do their homework assignments and kind of soldier through and get it done. You know. That's that's
like the main value of college. And then also you know, if you probably want to hang around with a bunch of people your own age for a while instead of going right into the workforce. So I think colleges are basically for fun and to prove you can do your chores, but they're not for learning. But there is a requirement of evidence of exceptional ability, like you just can't if you're trying to do something exceptional, they must have evidence
of exceptional ability. I don't consider going to college evidence of exceptional ability. In fact, ideally you dropped out and did something. I mean, obviously, you know, we just look at like, you know, Gas is a pretty smart guy. He dropped out jobs pretty smart. He dropped out you know Larry Allison, smart guy, he dropped out like obviously not needed. Generally, you want education to be like as close to a video game as possible, like a good video game. Like you do not need to tell your
kid to play video games. They will play video games on autopilot all day. So if you can make it interactive and engaging, then you can make education far more compelling and far easier to do. So you really want to disconnect the whole grade level three the thing from the subjects, allow people to progress at the fastest pace that they can, or interested in in each subject. It seems like a really obvious thing. I mean, I think like most teaching today is a lot like vaudeville, where's
and as a results, just not that compelling. It's like somebody's standing up there and lecturing to you, and they've done the same lecture several years in a row. They're not necessarily all that engaged or in doing it. Do you agree with Peter Tiel about the unnecessariness of university
higher education? A university education is often unnecessary. That's not to say it's unnecessary for all people, But I think you've probably learned about as much for the vast majority of what you're gonna learn there in the first two years, and most of it is from your classmates. Now. Now, for a lot of companies, they do want to see the completion of the degree because they're looking for someone who's going to persevere and see it through to the end,
and that's actually what's important to them. So it really depends on what somebody's goal is. If the goal is to start a company, I would say, no point in finishing college. So I think that's how it should be, and it shouldn't be that you've got like these grades where people move in lockstep, and so everyone goes through you know, it goes like normally we'll go through English, math, science, and so forth, from like fifth grade to sixth grade
to seventh grade. Like it's an assembly line, but people are not objects on an assembly line. That's a ridiculous notion. So how would you educate your five boys? Actually? I created a little school. Yeah, what kind of school could you describe for that? Sure's I mean it's small. It's only got fourteen kids now and it'll have twenty kids in September. It's called ad Astra, which means to the stars. That's maybe a bit different from from most other schools
is that there aren't any grades. There's no like grade one, grade two, grade three type of thing, and making all its children go in the same grade at the same time, like an assembly line. I know, you know, because some people love English or languages, some people love math, some people love music, and different abilities at different times, it makes more sense to cater the education to match their
aptitudes and abilities like That's one principle. Another is that it's important to teach teach problem solving, or teach to the problem, not to the tools. So this would be like, let's say you're trying to teach people about how engines work, or you know, you could start by a more traditional approach would be to say, well, we're going to teach you all about screwdrivers and wrenchers, and you're going to have a course on screwdrivers, a course on wrenches and
all these things. And it's this is a very difficult way to do it. A much better way it would be like here's the engine. Now let's take it apart. How are we going to take it apart? Oh, you need a screwdriver. That's what the screw drivers for. You need a wrench the wrenches for and then a very important thing happens, which is that the relevance of the tools becomes. It seems to be going pretty well. I mean the kids really love going to school. I think
that's a good sign, you know. I mean I hated going to school when I was a kid who was torture. So the fact that they like, they actually think vacations are too long, like they want to go back to school. Yeah, exactly. I know if you think, like what is education, Like you're basically downloading data and algorithms into your brain, and it's actually amazingly bad in conventional education because like it shouldn't be like this huge chore. Like the more you
can gamify the process of learning, the better. And I think unfortunately, like a lot of education is very bored brilliant. You've got someone standing up there kind of lecturing at people and they've done the same lecture of twenty years in a row, and they're not very excited about it. And that like enthusiasm, you know, is conveyed to the students that they're not very excited about it. They don't know why they're there, Like why are we learning this?
Stuff we don't even know why. In fact, I think a lot of things people learn it probably there's no point in learning them because they never use them in the future.