Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. I have with me today, Neal Thorne part of our team. And today, we're going to be talking about the upcoming testing of this Starship, super heavy vehicle and the orbital flight test, that could be coming in the next month or two. Are you doing you good? How are you doing? Well, I'm doing fantastic. Thank you very much. Awesome. So we have some, some really exciting things happening down at Starbase Texas with the the
Starship super heavy vehicle. There's on Going testing ships, been stacked. On top of booster seven recently. Oh, I love that video to see the Drone video of that SpaceX. Put out of that. Yeah, I cried. I cried a little bit. That was amazing. A is insane. I'm so the cool thing is Ilan has been tweeting about, you know, the Starships going to launch soon. Starship launch next. Couple months over the last like
four or five months. He's been saying those things and he's also said last year, but now SpaceX actually tweeted. Something and said, hey we're getting ready for this launch and that's a pretty good indicator that SpaceX is Twitter account. You know, they said that. And I mean are you suggesting even for a moment that Elon
might exaggerate timelines? I would never I would never say that Ilan. The I think it's very optimistic with his predictions but as an engineer I can see where he would think that things were moving fast and that things aren't going to go wrong. Wrong. And if everything goes well, you know, things are just going to move straight forward and things are going to fly like the
Starship is going to fly. So now that we have sort of confirmation, I guess from SpaceX that that's going to happen, maybe late February, March ish, according to SpaceX is, you know, a tweet, which they said they have to do a 3300, static fire, and they also have to do some more cryo testing, and tank testing and things like that. So we'll see what happens. You know, in my research, just to what we're going to talk about on this show and how it's going to go. It was amazing.
All the different things that are going to have to happen. Before this thing go much, it's quite a complex process. Yeah. There's a lot of moving parts and yeah, the thing that's the thing that's really important that Elon is mentioned in the past is the the orbital launch Mount and how important that is to the whole thing, like the stage zero stage 0 and if anything happens to that thing.
So Oh, they're going very cautiously and they're working hard to get everything in place with the, you know, the testing schedule that they have right now. So I think overall we need to everybody needs to remember that. This is just a test vehicle, right? It's a test vehicle as much as the launch mode is everything. It's never launched anything
before. Everything is a test right now, man, if anything goes wrong, hey, it's part of the testing, you know, and they expect things to go wrong. There's In numerous times, that a line has said, it's going to be cool if it leaves, you know, leaves the pad and actually clears the tower. And if yeah it's the most dangerous part of this whole thing. Yep. And not only from just the engineering of how it in the physics of getting this rocket out of this, you know, beyond the towers range.
Getting it off the ground to begin with is the hardest part. But also, if anything does go wrong it will destroy that Tower and set them back months and months. Yeah. And you know the FAA is part of that hole. Process to because they'll have to report everything. The FAA, even though it is a test vehicle and the FAA is aware of that.
Next, we'll have to make sure that the FAA is aware of what happens in why that's ship, you know, write it on the pad but lets you want to talk about what's going on like at Starbase right now, before we get into the actual launch itself. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, let's let's go over, what's happened? I think the ultimate goal is to not read on the Launchpad so we'll talk about what they're doing to prevent that. Yeah, that's right.
Now, we've got stacked Starship, we've got before on top of booster 7 sitting on the launch Mount, what's next? Well, they're doing cryo tests today. There's been numerous tests, starting today. In, there were some yesterday, there were some very, very small initial tests yesterday, which only lasted if somebody yesterday might have been to the ground ground level stuff that they were testing, yet the ground system, making sure ground systems. Making sure all the valves and
all the cryostat. Duff was working on the ground before they started working on the ship. Yep. And today they're they're filling the thing up but fill it up. It looks like they're filling up the booster booster 7. I haven't seen any condensation on the ship quite yet today, so it looks like they're testing the internals of the booster and filling it up and doing some cryo test with that.
So yeah, pretty much, I think most likely using liquid nitrogen as opposed to methane to just to test things out. Yep. Get it cold. Get it right cold? Yeah exactly. And moving on. From here, I mean, they're going to have to do, they might even do numerous cry at like, different cryo, tests every single day, this show is brought to you by backblaze, I use back place to back up my podcast.
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there. So it shows that they're going to be testing between like 8 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. yeah 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. a whole 12 hour test schedule so they could possibly do numerous tests in a day but we're not going to see a static fire any time soon. Not at all no ice. And as far as I'm aware, I think they're done with status firing as 24. I think they're they've finished with that unless they prove me wrong of course. But say It seems to me that this next month is month and a half.
Two months is all sort of my guess is that they're doing a lot more recording of the tests and and documenting of the test so that they can formally submit something to the FAA to get this thing off. The ground, sort of going through a process more than just going through tests. Yeah, I believe so too and ship 24. Like you said, was it's been tested since July June June or July of this year like that? Yeah, yeah.
And and s24 before that, like it's I think they've done so many cryos on these vehicles, that there's really no point in doing them, except to make sure that they've got everything documented in their got all their T's crossed. And there's I doubted. Yeah, and after the booster seven static fires, they've done. Fuse, different static fires with booster 7. So they have to make sure that the internal still work before they, you know, have a stack of ship 24 on top of it.
And also, you know, they got to make sure that those things work. So when they actually do a full wet dress rehearsal and then they move on to the static fire and they'll have to do a wet dress, a full wet dress rehearsal before the static fire to make sure everything was absolutely ship and the booster And so I think, I don't know. I the timeline here is kind of it's It's kind of rolling, right? So we don't know exactly what
they're testing right now. We know they're doing cryo testing, we're going to be testing the internals. Yeah, we can physically see what's being tested by the fact that something is getting Frosty or not Frosty or you know, it's foggy here or not foggy there but there's also probably a lot more going on behind the scenes that we have no idea. Yeah there's a lot of data collection going on.
On and start base headquarters and at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne and lot of data data analyst kind of processes going on right now in once all that happened. Like once the cryo stuff, seems okay. Like what those what's all those tests are done. They're going to do the full wet dress rehearsal, basically getting the ship, and the booster ready for flight, and then just not hitting the button to go. I guess what? It seems like right now. That seems like the next possible stage.
That's right. Yeah, once they've done all the cryo so maybe wet dress is next might as well. Make sure everything's running the engines Prime up and start spinning and and then canceled last second before you hit the fire button, right? And that's the important part, right? Yeah. The launch the sharing have it clamped down to just? Yeah, well, having them down. Yeah. And they have a clamp down for sure. And that's what they were testing.
I guess last week, or week before, they had the huge amount of weight on those clamps. To test that the weight that they are, the forces that they may encounter during a static fire and actually the firing of the the rocket. So just testing to make sure that those are strong enough to withstand 33 engines doing a static fire. Yeah. And so I'm will get into this a little bit later but that's the 3300 static fire is going to be impressive but first they have to remove the ship from the
booster, right? They have to take the ship off. I had thoughts about Boat that. I mean they probably will they probably will remove s24 from the top but I wonder whether they leave it in place to see what, what happens, what kind of vibrations, they can feel and how does that? How does the the connection point? The fueling Point, all that stuff. How does that actually interact with the vibrations that are coming from Below? I wonder if they leave it on top
for a static fire. Maybe maybe not 33 engines, but perhaps some there would be a would be a because they haven't done that yet, right? They haven't actually seen, I'm sure they've they've monitored the vibrations that are happening throughout the booster, but they haven't done it with a ship on top. Yeah, that's true. You know, they could do and if I were putting something door, but I'd certainly want to know how it's going to react before you do that. Yeah, I agree.
I agree with you, so what? There's a few different theories here is one is the they leave it on for a few engines. If you had just had a fire maybe like a 10 or 15 engine static fire and you know just like you said, the vibrations make sure everything stays in place, ten or ten or fifteen like they've ever done more than a life. Like no big deal. Nobody does filmmaker 1520. Who knows, throat? Yeah, whatever. Whatever number they feel like.
But they have 33 engines. So they have to kind of get a feel of what it's going to be like to Forecast a ton of engines, you know? Like the 33 engines is going to be an insane, insane sight to see. So in here it here. Yeah. That's going to be another thing. It's going to be loud and it's going to be possibly destructive to the to the pad but we'll also talk about that a little bit later. Yeah. That mean they certainly tried to tried to reinforce the pad.
I think we saw a video or photo yesterday about SpaceX looks like they're testing concrete testing engine block. X just to see what kind of concrete might be able to withstand these forces better. So yeah, they're certainly certainly anticipating some damage to the tower. Well every static fire before this from from the booster there's been some sort of damage to the to the pad to the can already see new things, added new shields added to the the still little legs and different things.
Yeah. So it's going to be an interesting thing to say, It's gotta be wild. Nobody's ever shot a rocket this power. Pull up. Yeah. So so so the when you were saying the static fire of the ship, you know, ship 24 on top of the booster so going back to the theories that are out there right now. There's one well do 10 to 15 engine static fire with the ship on top but also if they do that, the May remove the ship and move it to the side. Remove the lift points on the
ship. And then fill those in with thermal protection, which right? You know, which is probably one of the things that they're going to do anyway, you know, so everything yet. So the lift points being where they would lift the, the ship of the Kareem res opposed to using the Chopsticks, right? Right. And then they put it back on top and then they would do an actual 33. Static fire 3300, static fire with it on top and that may be an FAA ruling, you know, they
may have requirement. Yeah, it may have to do it will be full, static fire because they do, It with every other ship, you know, Falcon heavy, they do it. They do with Falcon 9, they do with every other. Rock it out there, they do quick static fire. It doesn't have to be long. It's just like just like Falcon boosters landing on chips. This will all seem s, you know, old hat and before you know it they'll still have a booster
rocket on top of a booster. They'll they'll fire up thirty three engines in the next day off, they go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's gonna is gonna be quite excited. Yeah, the next 10 years of space. Slater going to be absolutely wild. Did you see that? They did the Falcon heavy static fire? The other day, two are for the
no, I missed that. Yeah, they have a Department of Defense Mission coming up, but that was a that's kind of an indicator because it has, you know, Falcon few Falcon 9's attached to it. Yeah. That's 27 minutes right there and they have to stand in fire all those so 33, even though they are the most powerful engines in the world, you know, the more than likely have to static fire, everything with everything attached. To it. So, yeah, I'm assuming that's
what's going to happen. I mean, we think of these things as two different pieces, the the booster and the ship. But if you look at a falcon 9, they're attached already, right? Update? They come pre-attached. The top being priest, priest attic fired somewhere else and then they attach it like it's really one rocket. We have start thinking of it as a Starship, as opposed to a booster in the ship. You know, that's how they're
going to come. Yep, it's they may be in different pieces but it's all one. Yeah, in the manufacturing process is a little bit different, you know, the they mate the fairing of a falcon 9 differently than they do with the Starship. The Starship has the chum sticks and the Falcon 9 they, you know, it's a different process. So, but at the end, like you said full rocket. When you're done, when you're ready to launch the thing, it's not to Pieces.
It's one big thing. Until of course you get to the place where you do separate them on the way up. Yeah, which happens with every other rocket out there as exactly. So, Nova single stage to orbit does not work very well. Yeah. So everybody has two stages at least. Yeah, exactly. So the I mean, the will they leave? Will they leave this ship on top probably? That's what we're guessing right? I think that's weird.
I would think that certainly for certainly for one of the static fires of the booster, they leave the ship on top. Yeah it's my guess maybe for the first 33 engine set a fire they'll take it off because they haven't done that. With the booster yet and then maybe it goes back on and leave another. I'm not sure. Yeah. And the 33 engine static fire of the booster could possibly be you know one of the one of the pieces of this whole thing that sets them back a little bit.
Who knows who knows what's going to happen with a full 33 engine? Static fire and they're going to have to go through all the data make sure everything works right if everything works absolutely perfect they'll make the ship back on top. And then do possibly, you know they may do another wet dress rehearsal in another cryo after that just to make sure everything works but and then just get it ready for flight you know. Get do another static sighs. Yeah. Absolutely.
I think it's important to note that you and I and all other space enthusiasts are in a hurry. A star Starship SpaceX is not in a hurry. No, they uh they don't certainly the certainly they want to get this up in the air as soon as they can, but if something makes them stop and pause and start over Over then they're going to do that. If there's too much at stake to
be rushing this. Yeah. And even though we love to see these giant tests happening, you know, this this whole test schedule is amazing and it's just cool. I can steer a rocket like I could just stare at a rock and watch it frost over four hours.
I have a second Monitor and I have one of my windows open over there and I have it cued into two different YouTube channels that have live footage of the Starship test facility and I watch All the innocent, it literally just a rocket that's getting Frosty or like you know, a semi truck rolls down the highway with some propellant in it and I get excited.
So yeah for sure like I was when they were doing some work with cranes, back in the day maybe building the tower, the launch Tower. I stopped and thought to myself, this is just a crane lifting, a piece of metal. Yeah. What am I? Am I watching this? Yeah, but see, it's exciting. I think it's, it's exciting. That the end result of that. We know what? What it's for and what it could potentially end up doing and being and I think that's what excites us. Yeah, it's the whole process.
You know, once we have this whole thing is complete and once they actually figure out the whole process of launching these things catching them, relaunching them. There's going to be sending people to filling in space.
They're going to be sending people to the Moon, you know, with this rocket and also eventually sending people and things to Mars with it. It's Exciting just to watch any part of it. And that was, you know, I, you know, when I went down to Texas to cover this for 10 months, it was basically because I was super excited about it. It wasn't like, it wasn't a business move or anything like that. It was more sir. Yeah, exactly. I still covering it.
But, you know, I moved down there because I was so excited about everything. And I like every day, I'd wake up and cover this thing and it some days were just like torrential downpour you know, but I'm like what do they do? In a Starbase and I would go down and check it out, but every day it's exciting and it's still exciting, you know, just watching the cameras. So I think it's an incredible thing that we're able to watch it. Yeah, exactly that. It's that's happening in the
open. It's, you know, they're building rockets in the air which is outstanding to me. It always seemed when I was a kid. It always seemed like something that would happen in a climate-controlled room with cycled are and everybody. And, you know, the old NASA pictures of in the current NASA figures of people. You know, dust suits and decontamination suits and that sort of thing around these satellites that they send up there.
That's that's was always growing up my impression of what the industry was and here we are, they're building it out in the open air middle of the welds that you can click clearly see and you know, they get better at those every time they do it too. But it's just rather amazing to watch the iterations happen. Yeah. And it's not even, you know, it's a brutal environment down there too.
So you see it, you see it on YouTube or, you know, wherever you see the footage and you don't realize how hot it is. It's like 100 degrees every day Fahrenheit. And there's sandblasting everywhere because it's next to the beach. There's, you know, there's just humidity, that's ridiculous. But they're doing this all out in the open for everybody to see and it's it's a wonderful thing and it gets people excited about space flight and excited about
the future. So I'm I'm as excited as anybody else. Else you know watch all the videos and watch all the updates and also produce videos and updates and make podcasts about it. Like we do it because we love it you know. So I'm excited about the next phase which is moving over to Florida which with this thing you know they're testing it in Texas now but they're going to move over to Florida. Yeah, I think it's still up in the air how they're going to get
Rockets over there. I think I saw some where there was a potential what would you call it? Like a basket that would fit in the back of a truck to transport these boosters and Rockets horizontally by road? So that's certainly one way. They could also fly them over. If I get good enough, there's no reason you can't fly a booster or rocket over 2 or just the cape and land it down. I know that they're certainly getting ready over there that
the towers built. And I think that I think I saw, yes, Say that the Chopsticks were on their way over to the tower. So they're going to be installed in the next week or two. So that's pretty exciting too. Yeah that's that's a huge building. A secondary Tower launch Tower over there. The same as the one in Texas. Yeah.
And now that once they had the the Texas Tower kind of flushed out and built in, they know what to do which is pretty cool that they use this as a test bed for just the tower, you know, most of these towers. That are already built kind of use knowledge that somebody else had in the past like somebody like NASA built a launch Tower. So somebody two years ago. Yeah, exactly. So, but now this is a whole new
thing. You know, the the Chopsticks brand-new, no one's done it before so that no one has ever caught a rocket before before certainly, especially a rocket of like 400 feet tall like that. Yeah, it's insane. You know, like the the booster itself is what 225 feet tall, somewhere around there, something like that? Yeah. Yeah. In the ship is, you know, 150 ish feet tall. So it's about 400 feet tall, it catching each one of these things separately. It doesn't make any sense like
the booster not. Not, ya know, like boosters and again, Landing what? He's doing your boosters on a on a ship at Sea didn't make sense either? At one point the boosters like an apartment building. It's 20 stories tall you know? It's huge. Yep. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, and the can't wait to see you that I can't. Yeah, I hope it's. I hope it works. I mean, they're going to plug in have to test it in Florida. Are in the Texas. I don't think they'll let them test that in Florida.
Not at all know that Florida. One is a working Tower, I think. Yeah, I don't think that that's a test Tower. I haven't had a really good look because because of the distances away from it. It's not quite the same as what's in Texas, but I don't know whether they've improved or changed anything on that Tower. That they're building in Florida. I'm not sure. Yeah, most of the shots are from frill far away. It's hard to see ya. My guests, my guess is that
there's improvements. There's that, it's an iteration the same as the, any ship is. So, you know, booster 9 that's been tested a couple times. Has a lot of improvements over booster 7 already without it being even launched yet. So, my guess is that the tower would be the same thing.
Yeah, they probably learned a lot of manufacturing and implementation of just Just the the wiring in the way that things work, the piping and things because I when, you know, as we were watching, this thing be developed in Texas, there's iterations of even little things like a switch box, you know. We're we're a bunch of cables enter the Box in one spot one week. And then I would notice that they are like they're not there anymore.
What happened to this whole box? They would move the Box off to the other side of the of the orbital flight pad. And right, it's like, why did you do that? How did you do that? Like, what was wrong with the first one? Did you need more slack? Like what's going on? What's going on with that? So there are perfecting things in Texas, they'll move that to
Florida for another four. Other orbital flights and other missions, including the hls mission to the Moon eventually, but they will have to do some tests for the hls before they actually sent people there. To make sure that the Starship can Fuel in orbit and also, you know, land on the moon because if it can't land on the moon then what's the like, they can't have the hls contract, right? So we're sure, yeah. Those how many refuels is it? Seven refuels.
I have to do this baby. Yeah, it's somewhere along that line. Something like that. Yeah, so I mean, that test alone is going to be pretty crazy. Yeah. Just just getting that the sheer number of ships up in the space orbiting around. In situations where they're able to be. Sort of you know like a like a concrete truck, delivering concrete to a job site, they'll sort of line up, right? So your next guy you go in your empty.
Now you leave there someone comes in same thing as space you're going to have these seven boosters aligned are not boosters 7. Refueling ships lined up and you know okay next move it into place, hook it up and start loading fuel. Yeah. And they're they're different ships to than something that will send somebody to the moon. It's a whole different iteration of initially so they're gonna have to have different types of
ships. So they'll have the hls ship, which is their main focus right now is just make sure that people can get to the moon. So the, the current build which I'm guessing is just like, you know, they were building in any way, then they got the hls contract. They have to test all this stuff. Anyway, you don't really need heat shields on the hls ship, but this is an iteration that will be used in the future for people going and coming back and also sending cargo to orbit and
coming back. Yeah. Yeah they hls Landing ship will just be a tube. Yep there won't be any heat shields won't be any fins on it. No. Need to four fins when you can just there's no atmosphere to interact with the moon so it won't have that. Yeah. And that's going to be a wild in a wild touchdown. On the thing like we were saying before it's a huge ship. It's 125 feet tall, 150 feet, tall, somewhere around there and less gravity. Lot less gravity but also it's
huge that the healthiest. I could just keep some coming back to it. It's just a gigantic. I mean the the Apollo Lander was all his like 40 feet tall, I think altogether, 30 or 40 feet off somewhere, around that range there between 30 and 40. So that also is pretty huge and yeah you know, the the picture Of that ladder, don't give do it. Any justice at all the whole
system. There was just immensely complex, especially for the time 50 years ago, so they having something that's triple that size land triple plus that size land. Oh boy, I can't wait, it's gonna tip over. It's not gonna make it. That's good. It's gonna taste not gonna be and I think it'll help. I think they'll be fine. Their propulsion team is absolutely amazing. So I believe they'll be. I think that the, the landing on the moon is actually fairly Simple.
I if they can land, you know, ship 15 then they can land on the moon easily because just because of the gravity is so much less. Yeah, there's a lot less problems. Like probably have they can probably you know, boost themselves back into space if they absolutely had to and try again kind of like a plane according a landing but it's The Landing Pad that I've always had an issue with that here on the moon as well as on Mars in the
future. You need something to land on, you know, that's not going to gum up the engines. It's not going to be uneven. It was, was it Apollo 13, the the eagle who they barely Miss some cracks, I think when they were Landing in the Moon, that would have just torn him apart. So really, really dangerous up there. That's not very, not very flat, it's not very Square. Yeah, it's not built for Rockets.
There's lots of sorry. I think that though they may need to send some robots to build a landing pad or something, or a spot. I don't know. Be really interesting to see how that all works out, but I think that that's that's a number of years away now got a lot of things to worry about before that for the Stick of the launch. This thing they got a launch it.
Yeah, so after they do the 33 engine, static fires and after it's been wet dress rehearsed all of those systems have been checked out, everything is good looking to launch this thing and that is another huge thing. There's so many moving parts to that so many things. Oh, my Oh so it's a I'll do a quick run-through of what they're going to be doing with this Starship when they launched like what the test is for. You know the there this is a test flight.
Like we said this before this a test flight anything can happen but the the ship and the booster will launch from Starbase Texas, the ship eventually we'll make it too Kawaii this about 62 miles Northwest of kawaii and it's in a place where they're done yet but what has he done? So that's that's that's the end. All right. But in between them there's a ton of things that they need to do.
It's going to be about a 90-minute trip for the ship and they're going to be possibly transporting some sort of cargo in this one. But we're not sure what it is because they may have to do some sort of test of cargo but we don't know if anything is in the actual that anything's actually other ship. Yeah, I think that sort of waves with any test, there's they always put something in there just to simulate having some cargo but it won't be.
It's the least important. And part of the entire Mission. Yeah, exactly. So it's going to be, you know, the booster will fly the ship up and about 170 seconds into. It will separate the boosters going to come down to the Gulf of Mexico and the ship's going to keep going. So going to go all the way too Kawaii and that's like the most basic that you'll ever hear anybody ever explain this. But let's go. You want to go into some detail
about this because this is sure. Yeah, and I mean there's, there's so much so much to talk about every part of this. Yeah, I mean, the the most dangerous. And probably the most complex part is the launch. Yep. You've got a booster with 33 engines firing. It's got a clear attack. Our that's never had a launch from it before the tower itself has to operate the way. It's supposed to all the quick release mechanisms for fuel and and electricity.
All refs have two separate on time and the way they're supposed to and clear, the launch pad, the arms have to be out of the way and not get in the way the Chopsticks. I mean, there's so much that could happen. Even just at the launch that, it's it. It. I would say if they get past that they have a sort of probably an 80% chance of succeeding at the rest. I would think I would think that most of the problems are going to have or have any eye right
there at the launch. Yeah, that's the most important part it have, you could have Raptors that don't fire. You could have, you know, any vibrations that could cause a problem with the connection to the stew, the ship, they could damage the tower - they could rapidly. Unexpectedly dismantle, I can read it and just blow up everything that they've been working on for the last two
years. Mhm. So, I mean, it's a really dangerous spot, but on the other hand, they've done this many times, right? They've launched so many Falcons. My goodness. I was going to say, raptors, I've watched so many Falcon, 9's from Florida like several months. Sometimes, several a week that took a lot of experience doing this. And I think that they're going to use every ounce of experience in getting this thing off the launch pad as safely as
possible. And all the tests that we've been talking about are all going towards making sure that that happens happens. Wait supposed to be and if anything happens during the initial phase of launch in the you know, they have a read on the launch pad. Like you said, it could set them back months, possibly a year, many might have to rebuild everything, they may need to rebuild the tower whole thing. So Ali and and if in effect, if it goes further than the tower and they get to the storage
tanks. That could be huge. Yeah, right. So I think that everything they're doing is to prevent that right now. Yeah. So I agree they need to I need to make sure that that doesn't happen. So as much as they can, anyway, So once they've launched, let's
say they clear the thing. Keep in mind that the ship itself has a way to self-destruct at any point along here and it will probably would assume most likely be automated so that if it sees anything wrong that might endanger people the mission, anything it will distract itself and you'll see something that's similar to the ship 11. That hadn't had an explosion above the ground total pieces everywhere, so and that's just to keep people safe.
That's that's the whole reason behind it and if that And its success for them if they happen to have a problem and the ship takes care of itself, that's a good thing for SpaceX. If that situation doesn't happen in this thing, you know, beers often over direction is not supposed to and lands on land somewhere. That's the worst-case scenario for everybody. Yeah, exactly.
It's so, the great thing about, if I wouldn't shouldn't a great thing, but a positive to the, you know, something like that happening is that they already have another ship on. Almost ready to go, you know better, she got better ship, and there's going to be better ships down the line and they're continuing to build ships, so in, and who's number one goal.
Number one goal is clear that launched our, yep, once they get past that, the rest of it is is gravy anything that happens to the ship and anything that doesn't work the way it's supposed to at that point. Well that's just another ship. That's just another booster which you know is what is it 33 million or a million dollars per Raptor? So 33 million for the booster, and another nine million for the ship. That's nothing. It sounds. It's a lot. It's a lot, but it's nothing SpaceX.
There they're prepared for that and they expect that. Yep. But damaging the launch site is the absolute worst thing that can happen yet, because the time it would take them to repair is, is something they is time that they can't afford. Yeah. So yep. They're on a but anyway, so if they're set selects, Suggestions bad oh for sure. Yeah and who knows how long my guess is that they're expecting
some damage to the launch pad? I don't think you can launch a ship and they've seen damage, every time they've static fired. So they're expecting to repair. What's a rebuild is completely different thing? Yeah. That'll that'll take a while. The rebuild will take a little while to take a little resources, you know, take some, I don't think it's, you know, I don't think it's a money thing either when they rebuild, because they have a lot of investment have, a lot of private investment.
And a lot like Millions hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank, so it's not a big deal for them to, you know, just shell out, another whatever, 50 mil, 60 million, whatever to fix the tower. But like you said that the time, okay, if you have to, if you have to spend six months, fixing everything or six months, you know, refurbishing something that needs to get, you know, fixed up.
It, it just takes, it takes too much time to time equals money and they don't have and they Have a very pretty good schedule set up for their main mission, which is hls, but also the starlink missions to because they need to make money in through that. So anything that says back, not
good, not good at all for sure. But what's the launch and once they like if they clear the tower, that's going to be incredible because then they're going to head towards Max q and Max Q is the point of the flight where it has the most stress on the rocket. And that's like once Yeah, there's a balance between the thickness of the atmosphere and the speed they're going. Yeah. So at some point you know they're going really fast, but the atmosphere is getting a little thinner each second.
So at some point there's a maximum pressure on the ship. Yeah. And at that point kind of anything can happen because it's it's a maximum pressure, you know, it's never gone through Max Q tests before. So be the first, max Q test of this rocket and, you know, are the are The points between the ship and the booster hard enough, that it won't separate versions of this. And as a huge deal, you know, I think about the welds because you've got, you know, a lot of air blowing around the ship at
that point and under pressure. And every, well, it's sort of a catch point for the air. You've got the, the heat shielding tiles. Exact same thing. There every every one of those tiles is a point where that air can grab and who knows? Haven't launched this thing yet so we don't know what's going to happen. Maybe it'll just be fine. Let's hope it is and it's a big rocket, you know, and it's huge. It's a two-stage huge rocket in the stages are different than say, the Apollo, the Apollo.
You know, the, the capsule was on the very, very top, right in the there was a a stage in the middle of Starship. Basically it wasn't there for Apollo or any other Rock. And that's that big you know, that powerful. So it's a, it's a breaking point, but the welds on the outside, they're not perfect. You know, they're pretty good. But like you said, any sort of aerodynamic drag on this thing, could wreak havoc on the whole flight?
So, I mean, it'll it'll more than likely have enough power to kind of push through all of that, but we'll see. Oh, yeah, don't the powers there? Yeah. It's whether the it's whether that dragged from the, the atmosphere causes an issue, right? Heats it up, too much with rips it. Park Heats it up too much or it just starts vibrating or you know you get sort of resonance happening. Hmm you know and that can cause the ship to go off course there's all kinds of things that
could happen. Yeah. So that's why I'm Excuse a big deal. That's why it's called out every time once you're past that it gets a lot easier on the ship. At that point you're you're sort of reaching space, outer space, outer space. And we still call it outer, space action, space and and and things are a lot easier on the ship. Yeah. Of course, which leads to separation. Soft Stuff has to happen there as well, to make sure that we can continue our journey.
You know, the booster has to shut down all its engines, they Coast for a little bit and then the the ship separates from it and there's a lot of things can go wrong there too. You've got engines that could that could malfunction or knots not turn off right away. You've got the actual separation of the ships could cause a problem. I think it was Was it the original Falcon? One mission the first mission or a second mission. Maybe that they got right to separation stage.
They were on their way to orbit. And they started the engines too soon after separation and they actually hit each other. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember that one. And that's, that's what caused the failure of the Falcon 1. Oh, yes. That's the two ships. Hit each other because they didn't allow enough time between the engines turning off and the new engines turning on. Oh wow, the second stage turning on.
So it's interesting. And yeah, so that's something that they learned, they learn her lesson on so that's good. Yeah, and that was, you know, decade ago plus so, yeah, you know, they have all that time to fix that, you know, in the Falcon 9, of course, obviously, that's been fixed. Obviously, they fixed it. Yeah, they kind of know what's going on with separations, but you never know, like you said, engine could go bad and it's gonna happen is gonna happen.
A clamp, could just not could not unclamp, you know? The only time they've separated, this is sitting on the launch pad. They never separated it in space moving. Whatever. Yeah, so there's a mean, is I don't think that that's maybe the biggest problem they're going to have, but it is something that they certainly have to keep track of. Yeah. And keep their eyes on the other gonna have to stop. They're going to have to land this thing to, right? So after they separate.
Yeah, that's the next stage. So we go. Now we got two vehicles and space, right? So you've got the booster, which is just turned off at all. Its engine is starting to sort of reach its apogee and then you've got the ship that moves on its way. So we're will separate for now. I will come back to the booster so it's got a complete much like the Falcon 9 booster does. It's got a sort of reach, its highest point and start falling
back down to earth, eventually. The booster will sort of turnover and do a boost backburn to get back to the launch site. That's the future. We will be caught by the tower somehow, right? But for now, this booster is going to just fall into the ocean into the Gulf of Mexico. And so, what are we expecting to see there? Everything to go perfectly. Well, oh perfect. Yeah, everything's gonna be completely fine. Like we don't know what they're going to try and do that
boosters. I'm just going to fall into the ocean and that's the end of it. Or are they actually going to try and simulate a landing? I think they're going to try to simulate a landing because I would think so I don't know why you would write, there'd be no reason to skip that phase because yeah, so when I, when a falcon 9 booster is landing at land launch, it relights one of its engines to slow the booster down and they don't land it. Roger the, the ship.
So my guess is that they're going to, you know, light anywhere from three to five engines and try to land this thing on the ocean. Theoretically, or at least probably get it to a point where it's hovering, you know, 50 feet, the air, where the Chopsticks might be grabbed it and future. Yeah. And what a, what? And then just sort of slowly fall into the water after. Yeah. If they can hover this thing over the water, over the gulf. I'm going to, I'm going to lose it.
I'm going to first her lip out. We're going to have a watch party in Discord or something so everybody can watch this going to be amazing. Yeah it's going to be amazing but yeah so maybe maybe we could plug I miss. My favorite part is my favorite part of any Falcon long. Yeah it's it's so easy. It's yeah it's mind-blowing. It's the future and happening now. Yeah. And it's going to be like it'll be the first time that they hovered a booster, right?
So this will be a first of the hover and also of first of like a flea e functional booster Landing like actually Landing because boosters don't have legs. So there's no way for them to land at. There's no landing gear on them. So this is the only way they can land other than the tower. So other than the Chopsticks catching them and putting them back in the tower. So yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to flip out.
I'm going to flip out. Yeah, yeah and I to me this is the most realistic part of this entire thing work again. This is they've done this. I've done this hundreds of times. Now The food with the Falcon 9. So I just see that this, this part of it working. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't apart from those engines not restarting. If you only, that's the only question mark in my mind is that they have to to start the engines to get into the atmosphere to slow down a little
bit. And then they have to do it to stop. The stop, the booster from in the water really fast, so that's the only part of it. That's, that's a question mark in my mind is those engines making sure that those those Raptors start up again but Anything beyond that. I think they got this, no problem. Yeah, I think so too. I think they're going to get to put on a good show irregardless of what happens after Max q and separation. I think that the booster Landing is going to be wild but then
they have to go higher. The second engines start up for the for the ship while all of this is happening, there's two things happening at once. So the boosters coming down like falling back to Earth, then the ship keeps going up. The ship. 24 keeps going up, they start their engines again and then Different into the vacuum engines this time. Yeah the Raptor value this time. It's first time. Yeah this is three vacuum engines and three regular
engines. Yep, so the launch the light, the three vacuum Raptors, which have a just a much larger bail on them to help with air pressure pressure and yeah. So that that those engines are going to have to get this thing up to and I think that they're going to try and reach orbital velocities. I think that they're going to try and get to the point where if they just turn the engines off, it would orbit. They're not going to they're not
going to go one full. All orbit around the Earth but I think that they're going to try and get to the get to that point. They've got an hour and a half up there. Why not? Yeah, they may as well stick all the systems, you know, even though they have to be cautious as possible, especially if they decide to launch some launch, some starlink satellites while they're at it. They'll need to get up to orbit velocities. Yeah. Yeah. And the next couple flights are
going to have to do that. I think they're going to they're going to do more testing more flights with this thing and then eventually something will go into orbit whether it's a sure I'll probably start. Click, he said more than likely but yeah, they get it up to orbit and they'll, you know, eventually have a really great opportunity here to come back down. What's their environment? You know, they're gonna have to do your bit, we're gonna have to
come back down to earth. And yep, let's say, you know what series star orbital velocity, this is going to be a wild ride, right? And again, yeah, I think that they'd understand this part. They know how to get things into orbit, if they've done it hundreds of times. And the only question mark here again, is those engines but haven't always. Nobody is turned on a vacuum Raptor and space yet. So that's the big question.
Yeah. Well it reunite it will if you'll be in the right place where it to reignite, will everything not slosh around, you know, will the absolutely humps work properly, will everything all the the pipes inside of this thing? Because it's a very complex, not just the engine, but all the inner workings of this rocket. Yeah. Yeah. Keep in mind every soon as separation happens with the
booster there zero G's, huh? There's, there's no gravity up there until they Launch. Those are like the vacuum rap. Yep. So they're going to have to make sure that the there's fuel where it needs to be. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. And then they'll come back down, the re-enter, come back down towards Earth. Yeah. But have to slow the ship down, I'll probably turn it around and turn the engines on and then just to slow down the craft. So it starts to fall loses. Its orbit, I mean, they're
always falling up in space. That's what orbits are. But two, there's have be falling at the same speed that they're moving, so they don't actually hit the ground like falling around the Earth. So to deorbit slow down vehicle and it starts to lose its speed relative to the Earth and starts to re-entry. And that's another. That's another stickler point for this Starship is what's
going to happen to re-entry? They've never done anything this high before they never re-entered or had a ship at this height they've had, you know, belly flops at Texas but never in space. So this thing is going to be whippin back. We're not exactly sure what speeds, it'll have, but Will more than likely. You know, the belly-flop maneuver will be used again to get this thing back down for sure. For, you know, for a safe landing off the coast of Kauai.
So it's going to be a soft ocean Landing. Apparently, according to SpaceX soft, we forgotten apart here. We got to go back to re-entry. Yeah this thing's got to come through the atmosphere that's scary and it's very scary. It heats up quite a bit. Yes. Certainly past the melting point of the stainless steel, this things made out of. So they've got heat shield.
Miles on one half of the ship a little bit more than more than 1/2 and those tiles are going to have to absorb all that heat from re-entry and all the forces that happen during reentry. I'm not sure how they're going to how they're going to do the re-entry. Maybe they try and slow the ship
down. Even more using the engines before they they flip over and sort of plane down but I'll have to see what they do. Yeah I do but that's a s extremely dangerous part because they've had these tiles fall. All off, almost almost every. I think maybe all static fires, they've had they've had tiles fall off. So it's still an ongoing work in progress and if they launch, what if they lose a few tiles during the launch to?
That's why the static fire of 33 engines with the ship on top of it is an important part of this flight test because if they do lose a few of those tiles, during the launch that allows the the heat to just go right past it right through the steel and The sucker down. So depends. I mean depending of course on how many tiles they lose if they lose one tile, I think they'll be all right.
They might damage it. You have a blanket behind it, a blanket can help yet little blank but those tiles are the most important part. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. I mean it's a different thing. Static firing the ship repres has versus the booster. Yep. You know the ship isn't quite as close to the engines as the as when it's doing its own static
fire. So perhaps they'll be by fine on us. On a launch but we'll have to see but I, but we'll know that will know that as soon as they as soon as they've launched a will know what's happening with the tile. So have so many, so many cameras on that just to check all that stuff. And they'll have probably have external cameras on the ship and that sort of thing just to check so much. The can what's happening with those tiles? Yeah and they there again, we set it.
This is a test vehicle. Yeah, it definitely is a test vehicle in these tiles. There are produced by some of the people that have you know, Worked on the space shuttle tiles and worked on the same sort of Dynamics for these sort of re-entries for decades. So very, I mean the production of these tiles. Absolutely incredible. But keeping them on the vehicle is I think it's impossible. I don't know if they'll ever figured out it seems like it's
impossible. They, I think they will figure it out but it's, it's gonna figure it out. Yeah, I want to, I want to re fly these things and within a couple hours, right? Yeah. And not lose any eventually. Yeah, and not losing its not. Was this the first zero, man, this is the first test, so I'm expecting a few tiles to not be there when they land this thing. Yeah. When they do re-entry.
Yeah. Yeah. When they do it, and who the other whether it makes it through a re-entry or not is a secondary question. And the pieces will land the pieces? Yeah. If it does make it through, if it doesn't make everyone's eventually everything will come down yet back down to earth if they can make it through reentry. Oh, Do you think? So I'm thinking they'll do is like you said.
I think they're going to use some sort of boost back burn like they do with the boosters of a falcon 9. I think they're going to do something like that but they slow it down and then they use the heat tiles to, you know to protect the the ship on the way down. They'll have to do that. I mean the belly booster is going a lot slower than an orbital Rock. Oh yeah so I don't know that it boosts back to Safely D orbitals is ever going to be possible. They have too much fuel.
Let certainly slowing it down as much as possible before it flips over. Yeah, the array entry is, you know, the use every every ounce of fuel. They possibly can but they don't need for landing. Yeah. They use think every trick in the book to get this thing back. Yeah. And it's going to be it's going to be a cool thing.
And like you said that, if they do a hover of the booster over the Gulf of Mexico, I think they're going to do that with the ship to when they land if they make it through the I would hope so. I mean, if you're gone that far,
why wouldn't ya, right? Yeah. Come down, do the do the, the flip over and, and try and sort of hovered that land, this thing, again, might be 200 feet in the air that they do it. If they're sort of thinking about, you know, where it might be in relation to the catching chopsticks on the launch Mount. Yeah, and then, perhaps it, you know, the engines go cold that point at false. Our but yeah, it's going to be something to watch again. Yeah. The The Landing is going to be
cool. It's going to be really crazy. They're going to be landing in like a Naval Shipyard. It's like an old well in the naval graveyard, so to speak off the coast of Hawaii. And it's been used for decades by other Navy and the Department of Defense to sink like submarines and warships and we don't I don't think they're going to retrieve this ship. I think they're just gonna let it sink because that might take too much. We're gonna get as much data as they can from it.
Well, I mean, if it, think about what it is, right, it's going to be a big Hollow empty shell. Yeah. So it's going to float, right? It's going to be a, it's going to be a boat for a little bit. Yeah. And maybe, who knows, maybe the Navy will, what they do is they launched, they launched artillery at these boats and they sink them. So, how cool would it be if they did? That's possible. Maybe they, yeah, that would be crazy. Maybe they use the automatic destruct. Yeah. Yeah.
At that point. And just blow it up. Yeah, individuals. Yeah eventually I think it will but I mean it's like a wrench for me. I would love to get my hands on those Raptor engines and and review them. Take a look at them and and examine what? Yeah, what happened? You know what? Shape, they're in. There's a lot to be said for saving this thing. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And then, of course, put it up in a rocket graveyard somewhere. So, everybody can stare in awe of the ship yet.
Bring it back down to Brownsville almost impossible. Yep. Bring it back, down to Brownsville, ship, it back to Boca, Chica Beach on the ground, the port of Brownsville. There's a road turned it into a kids play instrument, right? Somehow, I don't think that's good. Stainless steel is probably not the best thing for kids to play on the middle, son in Texas. But yeah, the they built a road from the highway for, which is the road that leads down to Starbase.
There's a road that goes from Highway for over to the Bay so they can transport ships. And boosters on that road as a huge road is super white. It's like a six Lanes wide or something, I believe it's a big wide road, I don't think it's six Lanes, but it's pretty big. And I believe you can use that road to get over to the port and bring the ship back. So they just have to put it on a boat, you know, bring it back.
Get whatever they can out of it and take a look at those Raptors or maybe even just, I mean, I don't know how this will be almost impossible to do, I think, but Move the Raptors in the ocean which would be incredibly difficult and then yes. But this let the ship sank but get the Raptors back. But yeah I mean if we get to that point where we're discussing what to do with Raptors that have been flown on an engine and and landed properly who cares at that point we're we're so far beyond our
mission goals here. That's where happy is as Pigs in a blanket. Yeah, exactly. If that's the saying. Yeah. It's that's that's the ultimate goal right there. If we can get a rocket that lands itself in the ocean, my goodness. Yeah, I mean, what is going to be cheering for days? If if this thing survives, this whole it'll be the most exciting time in space flight since Apollo. I think I think that's and then after this I think it's going Goosebumps.
Yeah, getting because everything everybody will get goosebumps the whole We'll get goosebumps to be a weird phenomenon that happens once. Yeah. But then after this, the Artemis to missions where people fly around the Moon, that's going to be a huge deal to you and then Artemis 3, when they launched a Starship for that mission and they send people back to the moon. This is all the beginning, like, without this flight, there's none of that there's none of the Artemis 3 mission.
So this is literally one of the most important space flights of all time. You might not be wrong there for sure. It's it's huge for the future of spaceflight, for all Humanity. Yeah its massive. It's yeah, the the ship is massive. Yeah. That's that's that's why it's such a big deal to is because the ship is massive. The biggest fairing that's ever flown to space. We're talking, but we're talking a hundred percent reuse ability, right? That's a hue Natsu.
That's massive, it's it. It's something that nobody else is even attempting. At this point. So if if that happens, it's reduces the cost of space by 100 volt. And that's massive as well. Yeah, that's a whole new economy, you know, and the
economics of space flight. Right now are kind of in a I think they're in a Tipping Point where SpaceX is taking over space flight and the Old Guard is kind of finally thinking about reusability because of 100 spaceflights last year, or they want to do 100 flights this year. And last year, it was 60, some odd. I can't remember the exact number, but I think We're 60 sliding over numbers, but this year, they're aiming for 100
flights. So if you can get 100 flights from one company, twice a week, twice a week, possibly three times a week. Depending on what the, what the launch Cadence is and you have Rockets Kennedy. Space Center in your flying falcon, 9's and Falcon Heavies, and Starships. Yeah, this is sort of a it's a Tipping Point because the Falcon 9 is almost reusable. The fairings aren't reusable. And a few other things aren't reusable, but the Starship, everything stage. Yeah. Yeah.
Starship is 100% reusable. So the cost of flight is going to go down drastically in the cargo that you can put in that thing. You can just drive your bus into it. A school bus, several several? Yes, it's not a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. It's going to be amazing to see, and in here and an exciting for If this thing works, if this launch works and goes according to plan, it will speed up.
Research and production inflow in Texas and Florida tenfold like it's they're just going to ramp up everything and we're going to see you know, several more launches this year once that happens to try and prove itself if they have any issues with it. Well that's going to set them back a little bit. Yeah but they'll still okay. But they're not going to stop weird right? They have. Yeah they're not going to stop are going to keep pushing. Yeah.
And they have like we were talking about earlier. They have the NASA money, they have billions of dollars from NASA to create this Starship. And, you know, the the hls program I think it was Almost 3 billion for that from NASA. It's like two point eight, nine billion or something and they have the money so they got to keep moving forward in.
The FAA, will they know it's a test vehicle so they'll understand and from the start part of the part of the reason for starlink was to pay for this research. Yeah. Into new vehicles. They have 100 know how many customer a million. Uh, stammers or something. Yeah, now are starting over x 100 million dollars a month. Yeah, obviously there's there's costs involved in running starlink and launching things and that sort of thing, but a hundred million dollars every
month. Coming in from, there's got to be some profits that they're feeding over to this. Yeah. And I believe there was an IPO scheduled, you know. I think it was I think it was reported last year of end of last year. The Starling could IPO in like 20 Five ish. So that's gonna Infuse so much more money into space x dash. Yeah, it got a, You've Got A system that clearly works. Yep. And it's been running for a couple of years and so that you're going to make it public.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a very successful launch. Yeah. And I believe yeah, that a lot of that money is going to go towards Starship development because they need a Starship to launch all these Sterling satellites. So, So and as soon as I can start launching Starling satellites, they go from launching, you know, only a few to hundreds at a time. Yeah. And that is going to just speed up everything and it's cheaper.
You know, that's a crazy thing is, I think that a starling launch on a on a Starship is going to be cheaper than watching it on the Falcon 9 for more startling satellites. Yeah, I believe that's true. I believe that's true. I was it a million alone you're talking. It's, you're talking to you. Cool. Yeah it just feel at that point. Yeah. Because it's yeah, there's other things too obviously but it's just fuel. Yeah. There's people, of course, they need paychecks.
But you know, ground Crews, ground systems, things like that, but the development once it's done. What's the developments of course like iterate and make it a little bit better here and there but you know, the Rockets there, the whole systems are there, ground systems? Are there? Everything's ready to go and you can launch star links whenever you need to. Yeah. And SpaceX does not mind risking starlings, you know. They'll put that on a test vehicle. No problem.
Yeah, that's why I think you'll probably see some on this diverse vehicle it just to just to test it, you know, see if they can. Although I think that the Heavenly the I think they've actually welded the launch area shut on this vehicle. So, yeah, the Pez dispensers one. Well, there might be one in decide to that's the other thing like that could be the payload because they're going to need a payload into test.
That. So that was another theory going around for a while is that we never see the inside of a Starship. So we don't really know what's inside, but they could, before they launched this thing, they could have already had a picture from inside, or they could take a picture from inside this, the ship and go. Hey, look, what's inside? We got to start Lake in that hype. Sup starlink, of course, Right. And you know, it proves that the payload is that they can ship a
payload. So in that of course brings in more investment, brings in more people, brings in the best of the best to work for the company. And that's what SpaceX wants. They want to keep the hype train roll into. So the really good at that, like launching elon's car into space, for sure. Yeah. So yeah, big publicity stunt but it works exactly such only advertising. They do. Yeah, exactly. Tube channel is the best advertising for SpaceX.
So I think we covered everything with the Starship flight today. I am, I'm excited. I'm excited for this. It's going to be think that that's next obvious. Next, we can couple months, we have a lot to look forward to. Yeah, there's a lot of work to do, but also a lot to, I don't know if you have now we're not going to work that hard. I'm going to be excited, I'm just gonna be super pumped the
whole time. I'm going to talk about it in like, for me, this is just this like the passion that we both have for this in the excitement we have. For space flight. Like I never record anything and don't get excited and happy to talk about it because it's just something that's great. Like I loved every second of this. It is work. Mind you, it does take effort but it's the best kind of thing you could ever do. So sad, do a little bit of work.
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