Hey everybody, welcome back to the Elon Musk podcast. This is a show where we discuss the critical crossroads that shape SpaceX, Tesla X, the Boring Company and Neurolink. I'm your host will Walden. On Tuesday, during the House Oversight Committee meeting, UAP or UFO journalist George Knapp claimed that Lockheed Martin had stored an unusual material that was not made from here at a facility in California. So I want to bring this up because SpaceX and Lockheed
Martin are competitors. They are in the same aerospace industry. And I want you to hear everything about all the competitors and also SpaceX on this show. So I want you to listen to George Knapp now. George Knapp has been known to, let's say, exaggerate the truth in the past and has claimed that there are things that are real that we've never been proven. So he's the basically like the typical UFO guy that makes their living by talking about UFOs. And George Knapp seems like a
nice guy. I don't want to throw him under the bus, but I want you to hear about this quote, unusual material that was not made here in a facility in California that George talks about. And I'm not into UFOSII don't, I don't think they're real. And in a lot of ways, I know there are unidentified things in the air that probably more than likely are not from another planet or another solar system
or anything like that. So I want you to take that into consideration as well when you listen to this. And before we get started, I'm going to leave a link in the show notes for you. And I have a business that I want to tell you about. And this is my business. I help businesses and small creators either start or progress their YouTube and podcast channels. I've been in the YouTube business for, I don't know, 10 years now. I've been in media for 20 plus
years. Whether it was in radio or I was, I was in pirate radio. Pirate radio actually, back in the day, which is pretty funny. College radio, television stations worked as an operative, sorry, an operator, camera operator for a major network. I've been Youtubing had this have had this podcast for four plus years. It's very successful. It's usually in the top 50 technology podcasts in the world and more than likely you'll see it in the top 15. So you know I know what I'm
talking about. My other YouTube channel is very successful. I've helped other people grow from 500 subscribers to hundreds of thousands of subscribers over time. I've helped small companies, large corporations. I've talked to numerous millionaires throughout my life trying to get them into podcasting. Some of them succeeded, and were the ones that succeeded stuck with it. That's all it was actually. It was just consistency,
consistency, consistency. That's the one thing that I will continue to rally around, consistency. Just keep doing your thing and people will follow you around because if they like your message and they like you, they'll continue to listen and watch your show. So there's a link in the show notes. If you're in that position. Please click on it, check it out. And I guess let's listen to George Knapp and just take this all with a grain of skull salt, OK? Because he's a UFO guy and you
know how they are, right? Take care, everybody. I now recognize Mr. Knapp for his opening statement. Good morning, Chairwoman Luna, Ranking Member Miss Crockett, and members of the task force. And Dina Titus. I just knew we were going to get you involved in this topic at one point. Great to see you here. I'm George Knapp, chief investigator reporter at KLESTV in Las Vegas. I began my pursuit of this weird mystery way back in 1987, and for 38 years I've always
approached this as a new story. It's not a matter of faith or belief. To me, it's a story, and it's an important one. I'm proud to be here alongside these witnesses today, men who have seen strange things and step forward to tell the world about it. Whistleblowers and witnesses who step up are routinely insulted, belittled, or worse. They risk their reputations, their careers, their clearances, their livelihoods, and sometimes much more than that, even their freedom.
I know that one of the goals of the task force here is to figure out ways to protect whistleblowers and witnesses. And it's a tall order because so many of the things that happened to witnesses like these are extra legal. They're carried out by persons unknown, as Mr. Dave Grush, sitting up at the top of the room knows all too well, including events in recent days to that have happened to him. I want to share a couple of things that I've I've learned along the way in this long journey.
And I submitted most of that in written form because I estimate that my statement here today would take about 4 1/2 hours. So I'm going to try to jump over and, and touch on the more important salient points. I submitted the detailed written statement for the record, and we'll go into a lot of that here. But the, you know, the public has been told over and over since the late 40s there's nothing to worry about here. There.
These mysterious craft seen by millions of people in the skies, in the oceans, over the land are not real. They're not a threat. The witnesses are wrong. They're crackpots. Don't believe it. That changed for me. What got me hooked is the paper trail documents that were squeezed out of the US government after the FOIA Freedom of Information Act became the law of the land. And those documents paint a much different picture than what the public, the press, and Congress
have been told over many years. The documents from military and intelligence personnel behind closed doors admit that, quote, these things are real, They're not fictitious. They can fly in formation, they're evasive, and they outperform any aircraft known to exist, including ours. The public, of course, as I said, has been told something
much different. You know, back in 1989, I reported about a guy named Bob Lazar who claimed that he worked at a facility dubbed S4 out in the Nevada desert very near to Area 51. He said he was part of a reverse engineering program. He said there are alien craft that will be taken apart to figure out how they operated out there. And that's it was a pretty tall order. I'd clearly taken a dive into
the deep end of the pool there. But in the years since then, I've interviewed dozens of other people and I've detailed what their testimony has been in the written statement. They include Senator Harry Reid, Senator Howard Cannon, also of Nevada, guy named Al O'Donnell, who is the first general manager of EG and G in Nevada, which managed the Nevada Test Site, which blew up hundreds of nuclear weapons.
There's a guy named Doctor James Lakatsky, who was a career scientist with the Defense Intelligence Agency, who was the guy who initiated a program called ASAP Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program, which is as far as we know, the largest acknowledged UFO program ever funded by the US government. Which put together an amazing pile of information that members of this committee and the world, most of which they have never seen.
The DIA still hasn't released 95% of what was prepared by that program at a cost of millions and millions of dollars. The one name I do want to bring up in this section session though is Robert Bigelow. So looking into the idea of crash retrievals and reverse engineering. While at OSAP, that program was active. The DI as contractor Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas made a bold attempt to acquire physical proof of UFO crashes. It's been widely reported and suspected that Lockheed Martin
is one of the contractors. The defense contractors that has held this stuff stored it away in secrecy and tried to figure out how it works. I have confirmed on the record that Robert Bigelow and a trusted colleague from OSAP met with and negotiated with senior executives at Lockheed Martin and hammered out a deal where in Bigelow's company, Bass would receive a quantity of unusual material that had been stashed away and protected at a facility in California.
That material was not made here. I want to move on now to the Russia files because that was going to be sort of the central impetus of what I was going to talk to you about today. Back in the early 90s, I got into Russia, met with a number of their defense officials, Ministry of Defense and others who confirmed for me that Russia had been doing the same thing. They didn't. the United States had been doing, that is, secretly studying UFOs while publicly saying something
completely different. The documents and interviews that I obtained and have now shared with this task force, a show that the USSR launched what is almost certainly the largest UFOUAP investigation in the world. The first phase of that was a order was sent out to the entire USSR military empire that every unit you see anything strange in the sky, a craft and orb, something unusual.
You had to gather all the evidence, collect testimony from the witnesses, look for physical evidence, and all of that information went into one program at the Ministry of Defense. Thousands and thousands of these reports came in. A lot of them were first routed to the KGB, but then back to another program that came after this collection effort called Thread 3, and Thread 3 was an
analysis program. We have provided to the committee the documents of what they were trying to do, and essentially they were trying to build their own UFOs. They were using the information from their observations and studies to try to figure out that technology. The guy who was in charge of that program, Colonel Boro Sokolow, told me that their goal was to basically develop technology that would be superior to anything we had based on what they learned from UFOs.
Mr. Knapp, just in the name of time, my understanding, did you have anything you wanted to submit for Congress to see in this committee? I have submitted those documents there's. To play. And at this point, George plays a a video for the people there, but it's very muffled and hard to hear. So I couldn't let you hear it because it just didn't come out. Well, after mastering and checking it out for a while, it just didn't work out. So just what did you think?
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