Hi everybody and welcome back to the show. Today we're going to be presenting to you, a Twitter spaces, talk with Elon Musk where he discusses the latest updates for the Starship, super heavy program after the launch attempt than happened on for 20 of this year. And there are some very good Insight from Elan himself in this episode. So, please sit back and relax and listen to this Twitter spaces. Recording, it seemed odd everyday.
Astronaut is messed up. My co-host and determine if those people actually want to add to speak and provide some important questions, definitely feel free to just. Yeah sounds great. Thank you Lon. Hey Irene Hey Lon. It's been like that it has that was very exciting to be in Boca Chica. You always live up to your promises about exciting times and SpaceX Yes. Punctuality is not my strong suit, but I do deliver in the end. Yes, you do excitement was guaranteed and it was delivered,
exactly. Yeah, we just get right into it at. So I think probably people have enough time to get on or hopefully hopefully yeah, as it basically the outcome was roughly in the sort of what I expected and maybe slightly exceeded my expectations. Roughly what I expected which was or all hoped for I should say which is that we would get clear of the pad with minimal damage the pad and I'm glad to report that the pat damage is
actually quite small. And looks like if you were quiet repaired quickly and that we would also get significant in-flight data. Particularly, with respect to the pressurizing of the tanks, with the propellant liquid, which is called, which hajin has pressurization as opposed to say, A falcon 9 which uses a helium. Pressurization. But helium isn't very short supply and extremely expensive. It's way better to, or, to essentially pressurized with the liquid form of the oxidizer and
fuel. So that that actually quite good. And we also went supersonic which is that was no problem at all. And he, so I'm going through obviously some good news items here. The vehicle. Structural margins appear to be better than we expected. As you can tell by the fact that the vehicle is actually I'm doing somersaults towards the end and still staying intact. So that's also good. And yeah, so I will actually feel like that was a great flight at SpaceX team did.
Excellent work. We made a lot of progress and I think for a technique from a broadcast standpoint and Pad standpoint, we are probably ready to launch in six to eight weeks. The longest, the item that is probably requalification of the flight termination system. Because we did initiate the fight termination system, but it was not enough to it took way too long to rupture the tanks.
So we need a basically a much we need more detonation cord to unzip the tanks at altitude and ensure that they basically the rocket explodes immediately. If there's an a if I termination, is this necessary. So requalification of the is I'm just guessing here that recalled cake of the Much longer detonation cord to tons of the rocket in a bad situation is probably the long lead item. What was the time lag? It was pretty long, I think it was on the order of 40 seconds ish. So quite long.
The yeah. So Now, it's the rocket was in a relatively low air density situation. So the aerodynamic forces that I was experiencing were, will be less than if it was at a lower lower down in the atmosphere. And so that are now forces would have included, I think low point the atmosphere aided in the destruction of the vehicle. And in fact that that's what happened.
When the vehicle got to load off altitude, the atmospheric density was enough to cause structural failure, but this is obviously something that we want to make suture. Aerosol it before proceeding with next flight. Let's see, I'll go through a bunch of notables so we we actually at liftoff there were three engines that we didn't, we chose not to start essentially, the oh, that hit aborts that.
And so we actually looked at off with 30 engines, which is the minimum number of engines those interested or explode. But they were just the system. Didn't think they were healthy enough to bring them to a full thrust so they were shut down. Then at t, plus 27 seconds and 219 lost Communications Concurrent with some kind of energetic event that liberated. The outer heat shield from the e engines 17, 18, 19 and 20 area.
You can see this on video actually and by the way, if people have like, basically think that maybe something different from this occurred that would be interesting too. Because I know people, some people have looked very closely frame-by-frame at video but this is the SpaceX best assessment after a week anyway. So something bad happened at t plus 27 seconds because engine 19 law school Communications and some kind of explosion happened to knock out the heat shields of
engines. So much pain, 18, 19 or 20 and yeah. And the possible fire scene from The Afghan starting after this event and continuing through flight. The rocket kept going, though, for at T plus 62 seconds, we see additional after heat shield damage and your engine 30, however, the engine continues to run and then at TA 5 seconds is worth Things really hit the fan. We see engine 6 will last the communication to thrust vector
control and roughly. At, from this point onwards, we lose thrust vector control of the rocket. So we lose steering at t. Plus 85 seconds, was that engine 6 that kept trying to relight to Possibly I was like I don't know was there one that one looks like and footage like it just kept attempting to relight relay relay over and over which is pretty wild to see. I don't think I've ever seen that before and it was one of the center ish engines.
That's her saying. Okay, we do have relight logic in the center engines but not in the outer engines, I believe. So the third basically at Landing engines have relied Logic. The perimeter engines don't set that isn't, that's entirely possible. Although if the engine is detecting significant issues that should not be going into a tree light cycle yeah what's your best guess as to what caused the initial engine issues and then I guess it, cascaded a After that.
But what do you think happened? It's I think we don't know with certainty. Obviously, the rocket stayed on the launch pad for a while and we did generate quite the rock, tornado at the base of the vehicle and at our first guest would have been that The Rock tornado would have caused the significantly significant damage to the engines but at least we don't we do actually do not see obvious. We actually do, weirdly do not see evidence of the rock tornado. Actually damaging engines or
heat shields in a material way. It may happen. We have not yet seen evidence that for the next flight we certainly will be taking off faster. So this for this flight, weird on the side of babying, the engines and just gently starting each engine, one at a time. And they're quite the engines on Brewster seven were built over a long period of time. So, each Anton was a little bit of a unique item and whereas the engines on Brewster line which is next are much newer and more consistent.
And really with With significant reliability improvements over booster 7. So I think we'll see you a much more robust to engine situation with rooster 9. The heat shield won't Orchard should say the shields which are both force and heat shields around the engines for booster 9 are much better because they were retrofitted for Brewster seven year, we record heat shields whereas mr. Is designed in so the Riveter much stouter. Will you be doing something with the Raptor?
Chill system on the on booster 9 differently than what you did with seven? It seems like that was like an Expendable part of the pad, essentially, with having all of those hoses, rip free. I'm guessing that's something you would like to avoid having to replace every time in the future. Yeah, over time, we're definitely needs to be like a rabbit reflect capability, so they can't be any external items over time.
It was actually just good to get this vehicle off the ground because we've made so many improvements in the booster. And I know beyond that it really really just need to fly this vehicle and then move on to the much improved. Rooster nine and later ship designs.
But so thing we want to ensure of probably most with the next Inflight is that we do not have that any kind of central Nexus that controls that affects multiple engines is extremely robust and with extra shielding so that that we don't have a sort of a single point that can take out multiple engines. And for sure, we don't want a single point, they can take out the thrust vector control which is entrance during the range of
detail. We guarantee our is like level 9 rocket was a tree all the way to how rockets work. Understood, can I try again? How do I have? I can confirm that we have all been doing a massive amount of speculation out here. And I guess one of the big points that a lot of us have been wondering, is related to Stage separation. So, I guess, the two part question, like, what actually triggers second stage, ignition?
And also the second part of that question did ship 24 attempt to light its engines after the destruction of booster 7. No, it did not when they termination is executed, its executor on both, so the ship currently does not attempt to save itself. Arguably, maybe two. That's good point. Yeah, it's crazy. And looks like the engines lit after the booster, like, go, and after the booster finally blew up, like there's what looks like, A combination of it.
But but like the, so the very things that are like important for the next flight are ensuring that thrust vector control. We don't lose the rocket thrust vector control. So isolation with respect to control, which with the booster nine is a lot easier because we use electric motors to steer the engines as opposed to hydraulic actuators where you've got a common manifold between the hydraulic actuators.
So if you lose hydraulic pressure, if I can It's you can look, there's multiple engines especially if you have some kind of failure in the hydraulic system, the electric actuator to engines will be much more isolated and not have the single event failure. As long as they did not lose power or comes along since you've gone ahead and excavated your your launch mount a bit, I assume you're gonna go ahead and put in that the steel grid and the word they lose.
Do you think that will fully address the issue of the wider than expected? Debris field? And are you expecting any? A pushback from environmental and kind of community groups that this, that this event did put debris where it wasn't expected. Yeah, the we're going to be putting down a lot of Steel. The debris is really just basically sand and rock, so, it's often they're not toxic at all or anything.
It's just like a sandstorm. Essentially, basically a human-made set Stan storm, but we don't want to do that again. We were very putting down a, a very strong steel. Sandwich that is basically a water jacketed sandwich, that's two layers of thick, very thick plate steel that a better.
Also perforated on the upper side so that you have, but what is basically a massive super-strong steel shower, head pointing up and then the water pressure has coming out of there, has to exceed the pressure for the engines. Thrust is exerting on the steel plate on the vehicle or Stan, but, which is is all doable, and Ed being done and so it should be much less Dusty. And we should not have a rock
tornado with the next flight. Hey Ilan, it's Joey from Reuters. Why couldn't you install that before this launch, was that a technical reason or a regulatory reason that it wasn't ready to do stuff like we expected, we'd expected to dig a hole. We would not have Teflon.
So the reason we would not expect to excavate a whole, we've done a static fire of the booster and that that had just result in You're fairly modest erosion of the high strength concrete at the base of just called found a gets a sort of special, but basically the strongest highest temperature form of concrete that you can get steel-reinforced everything. And so if we thought it would be fine for one launch, we would erode some amount of the concrete but that it would be
fine. We certainly didn't expect to effectively what it looks like when we were enough to full thrust, probably shattered the concrete, so Is it possible that the base layer failed first and not the actual van dijk layer on top. It is, we are getting into some amount of speculation here but it's one of the aspirations.
And one of the more probable explanations is that when we ran up to full thrust that the that we may have, compressed, the sand underneath the concrete to such a degree that the concrete perfectly bent and then cracked. That's it. That is a leading theory. But as we definitely want to do not have the gain and and I was never a long time ago, we thought it would just be fine for one launched. We were owed some on Deck just as we did with the booster,
static fire. And and then for the next launch, we're going to put in the deal. Mega steel pancake, this thing's a beast. That is why the steel pancake over like a flame trench or something like that. You can do it either way but the and that's just from schools of thought there. The important thing is that you have a regenerative Lee cooled, like wherever the flame is hitting that your that that is regenerative lie and evaporatively cooled.
So, what you'll see is that how to make Steam Cloud, but not a dust cloud so that we, you know, we're friends, some both ways, you could do it both ways. But and I both work, the acoustic environment is worse with a flat face. So, as you might imagine, but the payload is so far up in the payload 400 feet away from where the plane from, where the plume
is impinging. So, it's so far away that the Acoustics are not actually, not that bad and the payload fairing, so we're not have to worry too much about it being too loud in the payload Fairing and so it can be done either way, but this is one way and we were pretty confident, this will work and we're going to extend the steel Beyond just underneath the rocket. It because you want to make sure we don't take up concrete elsewhere.
And and then it get, we're going to connect the load of the massive steel sandwich underneath launch pad into the launch found legs. So it can take that load in tension, as well as a compression. So I don't know if that's a true Pro pretty good about that. You'll see it come together next author. So but like say that that actually we're it is not currently appear to be what prevented the rocket from
getting closer than it did. There was obviously a caps a flame path somewhere within the vehicle structure that As some of the engines failed there, maybe it would appear to be a foot like a flame path to a piece of avionics or control system that knocked out the thrust vector control. Once you knock out thrust vector control, the rocket no longer has serious during Authority. What things do you think went better than you expected, and what things went worse than you
expected? It was pretty close to what I expected at least in this. And those for this fight was pretty close to what I expected getting past. My excuse was a pretty big deal. I was actually quite shocked. I don't know why I had that whole the fins in the flaps up front and all that stuff especially starting to lose Control Authority, with TVC going out. That was pretty impressive. Thing, just kept chugging along and punching right through. So that was my big one.
If it made it through Max Q, I was gonna consider that a pretty big milestone for sure. Yeah, definitely, that's for sure. An important Milestone and it got pretty close to Stage separation. If we had maintained thrust vector control and throttled up, which we should have, because we needed to compensate greed, lust too many engines, so we need to read which of the throne, but the remaining engines to make up for the missing ones.
But if we don't lost, if we're thrown off their many engines and maintain thrust vector control, we would have made it to staging which would be cool. Yes, that that's our goal for the next flight is make it to staging. Hopefully 16 and staging and get get older. So everybody started going to orbit with the next? Why did the my booster command separation? Get it actually try letting go of Starship and it just couldn't because of something or did not even get that far in the
program. Now, at first, they did not get to the point where it would do separation. And I want one could argue that at the point, which the booster is kaput. The ship may as well just take off and keep going. But the problem is that we have a very precise targeted entry point in the Pacific. The ship really wouldn't have the Delta plastic the capability of reaching that Target points. Are you are?
So even if you wouldn't want it re-entry over Africa or something and then just just touching down randomly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's with it would only be worth really starting to show up if the ship is able to complete a submission and reaches targeted Landing point, just the west of Hawaii. Ilan, would you change the flight profile all? And what would you have to do to actually reach orbit?
As opposed to the 146 miles? That this one, seems like that would have been the max altitude? Yeah, yeah. So it's mostly about velocity that rather than elf to, but I'd said, I think we've got a better than 30% chance of reaching Orbit on the next line. So, I'd say that my expectation for the next flight would be more likely to reach over tonight. And are you actually in with are you going to be attempting orbit or like doing the same profile of re-entering over Hawaii?
And that whole thing? Yeah, we're just going to do repeat. Basically the goal of these early missions is just information going to have any payload or anything. It's let's try to learn as much as possible and that's a and that's why we consider this to be a success because since the goal of the flight was to learn a lot and we learned a lot, I would characterize it as a success, obviously not complete success but still no less
successful. And I always want to frame this the difficulty of this with respect to the sort of Soviet Union Warsaw Pact rocket developments of the past, for which I have a lot of respect. But back in Russia and Ukraine are working together. They made great. I did great stuff in space after I say yeah maybe wonder they can respond to that but much more productive. Like the N1 program is always worth always recommend people read the history of the Soviet and one program which was the
competitor. Rocket to the Saturn 5, Euro certified Moon rocket. And that's, that's a point you're talking about late 60s early 70s where the Soviets were really at their a game. They were just really fantastic. They said they had a plus players that it's fair to say that their motivation was maximized. Success means, you are hero of the Soviet Union.
Failure of you're probably going to the gulag so a plus players maximum motivation and so The N1 failed at every solve it so that those are that's the team for one. We really have to have a tremendous respect for the end one team and they did not succeed so and it didn't help that glushko never wanted that thing. Any way you wanted it, he wanted his own Mega rocket. Then, what score, Leo, Carrillo have died. It was game over for that poor thing.
So the storage unit, certainly suffered a massive lost with Karlov dying. He was there for brown basically. So That for a car, that was awesome. It's like losing your best player at the worst time, really? But nonetheless, it's there was so many super smart people in that program and they're really know what they're doing with rockets and maximum motivation. I do not succeed. So it just always bearing that in the N1 is the closest to Starship of any rocket that's flown.
And I thought shop is actually a bit more risky in some ways and that we've got a cryogenic fuel and think about a cryogenic fuel. Is it can gasify and form fuel oxygen pockets. And that kind of thing, it's always harder to deal with the gas with a cryogenic fuel. Then with a fuel that is liquid at room temperature kerosene, basically. Rocket grade jet fuel is, which is what Falcon and the anyone used. So they've got real risk in that respect.
We're running at a higher chamber pressure engine that's full flow stage combustion so it's the most complex and difficult engine configuration. But the one with the highest efficiency and we're using autogenous pressurization, which I don't think they did and I feel so those are things and I'll steer our scale is also bigger. We're about twice the mass and about. So I think 60% Will thrust in an N 1. So if you don't mind me asking here, why do you think Starship
will succeed using a similar? Even not just the multi-engine Clause if you're anything like that. But just even though General like test by flying philosophy of the N1, why do you think there's four flights? The N1 never made it to Stage separation. Why do you think Starship will succeed in a with all the comparisons that are similar to it? We do have a production line that if it takes those ten flights will do it, they would eventually have succeeded with
the anyone. They just decided that it was too expensive to continue and they want to do other things. So after they had those failures they and I guess it's probably
pretty embarrassing. Our national level, but I do think that the Starship resign, if you've got a, you've got a rocket with light engines as we do, if you have extremely good engine isolation so that if an engine fails, it does not cause The failure of neighboring engine or the stage itself, you have a very robust design because then you lose one of 33 engines. That's a three percent thrust
lost. It's not a big deal, but if you do not have good energy and isolation and an engine failure. Can Domino to other engines or two parts of the stage? Then you have an extremely unreliable design so that's why with with recruiters haven't, but especially booster 9, we're gone to so much trouble to isolate the engines. And so if one engine goes wrong, it does not knock out other engines or damage the rest of the stage. Yeah, so I think it's when all is said and done.
This will be an extremely reliable provide, that you. It's absolutely fundamental to achieve Edge isolation. Hey, Alana to expect hls to be Starship. Hls to be the long pole for our team is 3. No, definitely don't. I think we will be will be. The first thing to be really be, I think we'll know. I think will be the that we will not be a limiting factor at all you on. How much do you expect to spend in this kind of prototype development phase?
Before one of these Starships actually starts flying real payloads other and starlink or otherwise and how many kind of tests are you targeting before that? I hope all we can get. For flight to out the Seer, maybe five and we should be. I would be surprised if we exit this here without getting to orbit. I'd say it's not 100, it's not hard. Said probably. I think we probably got an 80% probability of reaching orbit this year and pretty and I don't
want to tempt fate. You're not going to work but I think close to 100% chance of reaching orbit within 12 months Thank you very much like it's Basics, actually quite good at production so we do like extremely like the best in history of any rocket made from with production. We're making a falcon 9 upper stage which is a large complex machine every three or four days. And around there every day right now.
Yes, we're capable of. We're actually slowed it down slightly because we've got more Raptors than we know what to do with. So we're actually focusing but more on the rafter side on upgrades, mostly to improve reliability and robustness of the engine. They some performance improvements as well and the cost of all this like how much do you expect to spend on all that either this year or before you start flying real payloads? Probably. Be a couple billion dollars this
year, two billion dollars ish. well, then on Sasha and there's kind of a struggle by other companies to raise funds lately, for a number of reasons in SpaceX is usually didn't insulated from that. But do you see any kind of difference, nowadays is SpaceX kind of thinking about fundraising differently, and it does that affect how the pressure on this Starship program at all? We do not anticipate needing to raise funny.
We think we're we don't think we need to raise funding will do a status thing where we provide liquidity to employees who are in stock, but that's my knowledge, we do not need to raise incremental funding for SpaceX. Annie Lon. Another 5-10 minutes. Okay cool. Yeah, time and didn't want to get a be fun to get some new people in here, John Cross and I haven't said anything yet and it also Mary Liz. So John I saw you start to speak there for a second.
Yeah, I have a fun questions. The lean off the pad was that intentional was it more than you thought? It might be, was it related to the engines out and do you expect to do that on future more operational launches? No, we're not. We the it was related to the engines out and we do not normally expect to lean. It should be good. I asked for Ashley going straight up, there will be some debate as to because you can.
So for the next fight we're going to start the engines faster and get off the pad faster. I think we're from started for engine start to actually moving was around 5 Seconds which is really a long time to be
blasting the pad. We're going to try to get that down to about half that time, maybe two and a half seconds, start the engines faster and and then at throttle up faster and just get off the deck and dark black reduce how much we blast the pad and then there's a debate of do you keep the rocket over the pad which case you there's more cooking of the base or do you start you start moving sideways sooner if you move sideways sooner you are moving that big cutting torch across
the launch room so you can think of a thing like the world's biggest cutting torch basically And so it like we have big steel plates over the top of launch ring. But I think, depending on how close the engines are they are, they are road that deal at a roughly in it. I think. Half an inch to an inch per second of high strength, high strength steel is eroded by The Cutting torch, so you don't be too. You want the entrance to be too close to the launch ring before
you. You start moving sideways with it with the abyss doing that. What's the op? Yeah. And on this one as it did move across the launch ring because it needed out there sideways, did it towards the top of the laundering to batter did? I can't hold up pretty good. Actually held up surprisingly. Well, so we actually we're glad to see that there's appears to be minimal damage to the launch ring and to the components inside launch rank. So, that's great.
Because that launch roaring is to take six months to build up a new launch ring. We have some spares, but that there's a lot of complex, Plumbing wiring inside launching and that Apache appears to be in good shape. Yeah, I just had one could question, speaking of that launch ring, like, liftoff conditions. Topic. Why couldn't you wait like a month to install that steel plate for it to be ready? My twin? Why launched before? That's ready? As I said, we did a static fire.
Well, the booster with the concrete, the pond egg and we saw mod a manageable amount of erosion. We thought the launch would have increased erosion but would not smash the concrete. So weird. Not expectations, batch the concrete would not think I would agree with that that would occur based on the data. We saw from the static fire. If we thought that would occur, then we would have waited for this deal.
The deal with was really meant not, it was, is intended to be have a launch pad that requires minimal the basically no refurbishment. That's the intent, the attached of the sort of water cools, the mega steel sandwich and was the communications blackout. The reason the staging event didn't happen or was it, because it Didn't get that point started tumbling before. Yeah, it just didn't get to what I would consider to be a safe point to do stage separation.
Now, I should point out like stage. Separation itself is a dodgy thing, and many, a rocket in the past has as failed at stage separation, or putting a lot of attention on like said, I don't get too confident but I feel like it's really quite likely to get to Stage separation with the next flight. And so then we want to make sure that We actually execute the stage separation because it is different from Falcon. It's yeah. So that's we want to get through this stage.
Separation light the ship and complete. What almost a full. Oh, but it's actually got the, the Delta plus C is almost identical to orbit, but so we actually could sell it to a decently good orbit, but we want it, we want to test the entry system of the show so to test the ship heat shield in the height, you so get to orbit and then ideally deal with with the ship. So we can test the how well the heat shield works for the ship or one of the vehicle. Yeah, let's grab one more Mary.
Liz Bender. I can marry with solinsky. Sorry. Yeah figure out how to change my handle Iman. That that launch was so epic. I don't know how you felt in Mission Control. Maybe you were nervous and paying attention to data. But for the rest of us that have witnessed years and years of Falcon, launches and many other launches, I think it's safe to say that was the most epic launch of them all. And I hope you got a chance to really I enjoy it.
I was actually wondering about that moment in the room with your team or maybe for you personally. Like, how did this compare to the other first that you've gone through in the Falcon program with hopper? Like, how did you feel? Yeah, no. I was very excited about the SpaceX team to amazing work and aren't this is really one of the hottest technical projects that Humanity has ever done. This yourself fully reusable humongous rocket fully, and rapidly, reusable reliable
rocket, that of unusual size. But this is certainly a candidate for hardest. Technical problem done by humans. Yeah, look at little bit. So I think the teams And excellent work at one, a very hard problem. And I think we're actually I'm
upbeat about the next 12 months. I think we're going to get to orbit and then the it'll probably take us a few more years to achieve reuse reuse ability on a regular basis where we bring the booster back and bring the ship back and where it gets that, you know, take a few years to get to where Falcon 9 is today, where it is now quite normal for the rocket to land every word. If it doesn't land these days. So, it's in that Old. Yeah, it's crazy.
Hitting the bullseye of a ship out in stormy weather at that, sugar is not. Anchored is literally trying to keep position. It's holding to a GPS position in. The rock is flying to that position until manages to hit the bullseye in a storm. Make it look you guys make it look so easy it's crazy every time to watch that happen. Yeah. Like that. It's a testament to the awesome team and it is wonderful. Sorry, I just had one more
question. A lot of opposition from these environmental groups in the area over the debris and I just wanted to get your reaction to that since some didn't expect the debris to go as far as it seemed to go. And if there is a legal challenge in court, you know either against SpaceX or the effort, how would SpaceX respond and what would that do to the timeline? Yeah, I think if you stop for practical purposes, what was?
I think? Like you, if you were to say like at this point, I look at it aerial picture of the area and apart from the area around launched and tell me where things are damaged. It's actually, I think can't even see it at this point. So the it's not like the rocket uses non-toxic propellants and so it just got a lot of dust, but it's the best of our knowledge. Like there is not been any meaningful damaged.
Environment that we're aware of. And to be honest, I was out there at the pad, two days after there's a huge storm on Saturday like 70. 80 mile an hour winds, yeah, it was intense and like I saw more debris coming off the shore from like people's Ducks falling into the water and like capsized boats. If that's true I did anything more than just some bits of
concrete which you know. Yeah yeah I mean to exceed the Damage Done by a hurricane is quite difficult, hurricanes nature, the power of nature is a man's compared to I will We are still feeble compared to the power of nature. Little tiny miniature. Hurricane Really tiny like I
look at Sasha pin slide. It seems so big to us humans, but if you zoomed out and we're looking at Earth from a distance, you wouldn't even see Starship it real I can't I think I see a tiny little dot jumping off the surface. Maybe yeah. It's like we're like microbes trying to get from one dust mode to another dust mode. Did you see the village of them by the way, like pad footage of how like dark and crazy? It got it. It does, it's crazy cause it looks so violent and wild.
It looks like a miniature tornado just for a minute. there but at some of the footage is actually terrifying to imagine if you were obviously no one's around it at the time but it is not the amount of power that thing has yes, it's Yes, they're actually we're really looking at the like the Retro throat. We believe is the highest heat flux of any human-made object ever. Well, how does it survive? Is it helped that Plaza has to go through a throat? Any, how does that throat? Not melt.
That's crazy. And literally, how does it from a mastermind like film Cooling and regenerative doing? Yes, keep getting cooled region. It's like getting crazy to regen
Cooling and like we're flowing. Liquid methane at extreme pressure, 11,000 PSI through the jacket at clothes ripping and then combine that with film Cooling and the best thermal barrier Coatings, we can come up with but it's still shocking that we do not favor eyes, the throat of that engine in immediately, it's a heat transfer so insane, but that's what we live on a planet with a lot it with strong gravity and I freaked out. Sphere.
So it's this is what's needed. If we were to become a spacefaring civilization and bold based on the moon and the city on Mars and yeah multi-planet species which is I think a super exciting future and at a high level the super cool thing here is that hey this thing kind of works and we're going to solve the issues that are remaining and we'll get it to all good. And we'll make it reusable.
And that means that we have it a real path here to get Humanity to Mars. It's also that's mind-blowing Ilana. I want to let other people talk here but I did want to say just on behalf of all of us, that the production work that you guys put on like the actual show, we all greatly appreciate it. I think that was like one of the
most amazing launch coverage. Has I've ever seen and I think a lot of us were like hoping that you guys were going to give us cool angles and you guys by far exceeded the expectations. Yeah, I've greatly appreciate that. I think everybody else does as well. That sounds like you. You guys are most welcome and it was a super appreciate your support and and always looking for critical feedback and stuff supported critical feedback is
always extremely welcome. And at the end, thanks to help bring the public along for the ride because the other day. If we, the support of the public is essential and it's also about inspiring the public that they're always, like, things than world that are reasons to be like, sad about the future and say, but you need, but there's got to be things that you wake up the morning and inspire you and just be excited
about the future of life. And this is one of them and you guys are key to conveying that to the public. So, thank you. You guys are doing it for us as well. So it goes both ways. Just a quick question. Christopher - are you looking for this next flight? Are you still deciding that one? Because no 25 is that nice isn't it? I'm done if you're going over 25 or 28. I made a final decision on the ship, that's why I was referring to Brewster nine. But I was somewhat, I did not
mention the ship number, I know. So it's a good catch there. Yeah, I think we'll probably make that decision at this this week, but I do we want, we do want to bet on success in the sense that if we get to orbit, it will be super helpful that try a deal good and see how well, the ship heat shield works at you because we need to maintain control in Hypersonic, High heating regime. Then get through transonic and
then maintain control away. Through a very wide array of micro regimes and so the vehicle actually behaves differently with a radically different Heating and force at the various mcroy coming back from like, roughly Mach 23 20. Yes, we do. I think we want to have that option. So I think we'll put a chiffon. That gives us that capability, but we haven't decided exactly what tripping over it should be. Hey Ilan. This is a Michael sheets to CNBC quick question.
On the launched, our side of things. Have you catalogued damage to the equipment? It looks like some of the tanks were hit by debris and there's quite a lot scattered around. Do you know can you give us like a rundown of what you guys need to replace versus repair? We're going to be replacing a bunch of the tanks in the tank farm, but these are tanks that we want to replace. Anyway, so the we're going with more of the vacuum jacketed
giant, hot dog looking tanks. As opposed to the solute. Yeah, vacuum decade of giant hot dog tag, so that those are in the best shape and those are what we want. Anyway, so some of the tax will be yet but probably removing and replacing with the hotdog tanks. The tower itself is in good shape. We see you know, Now ready for damage to the tower even though to get hit with some pretty big
chunks of concrete. And yeah, then likes it will be installing the big water but a jacketed still sandwich thing under the pad of doing final prep on the next Brewster and ship and hopefully be ready to fly again in a couple months. Once again, excitement guaranteed success is not, but I do think I'm cautiously optimistic. I think we've got this time. We've got a better than 50% chance of reaching orbit, so that would be incredibly exciting. Is that steel plate.
The only thing that you guys are implementing to reduce the amount of debris that gets everywhere or is other other fixes that you're considering to fix that, but there's a bunch of other things were doing. So this gave you a lot of Steel
plating with. So not just underneath the directly underneath the, the rocket, but also extended beyond that and also tying the whole structure in together with the legs which, which goat that those legs go down very deep and then just in general what we want to have. Launchpad that over time requires a no refurbishment between flights, and that means, obviously not throwing out chunks of concrete rapidly, reusable rockets and reusable launch pads. Exactly.
Yeah. Totally on the launch site itself, it looks like it's little little bit off the pad instead of going like straight vertical, like Falcon does, was that part of the profile or was that because the engine failures, that's because engine failures. Yeah. All right I better sign up now but will be I'll do another update. Once we resolve some of these questions, I'd be exact configuration of the next flight and the upgrades to the launch
pad and anything else. So probably In about three weeks and I'll do another update and I'll let you know what we want. As always, I'm like that try to be like, tell people, like with a Good, the Bad and the Ugly, so that it's like we were tell. You are dumb things that we've done and maybe some things that we think are pretty smart and and yeah. So yeah, he's going to your timing on.
Get out of here and have a good Saturday night and thanks so much for all the updates that you gave us and we love all these juicy details. So keep up the good work. We look forward to the next one. You must welcome. I try to think of it. If I wasn't involved with this, what are all the things I'd want to know. So I tried to tell you,