BREAKING NEWS : Elon Musk rallies support for DOGE at Wisconsin campaign event

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I'm your host Will Walden of this very important Supreme Court race in Wisconsin. It's, it's actually something that I think it's, it's, it's one of those things that may seem like it's obviously important in the, in the state of Wisconsin, but I think it could actually be important for the country as well and, and maybe for the world. So, so the, you know, so the, the House majority right now is razor thin. It's really just a few seats.

And if, if, if the Supreme Court is able to redraw the districts, they will, they will gerrymander the districts and deprive Wisconsin of two House seats on the Republican side. Yeah, exactly. The result of that could be that the House switches to a Democratic House. Yes, indeed. And then they will try to stop all of the government reforms that we are we're doing and we're getting done for you, the American people.

So. So the reforms that that we're getting done in DC thanks to President Trump and his great team are, are really profound. Really, the goal is very simple. It's to restore merit and freedom. So that's, that's what it comes down to. So America is the land of, of, of freedom and opportunity. So we want to, we want to restore into individual freedoms, freedom of speech, just in general, get the

government off your back. So and and then make sure that you succeed in in the United States as a function of your hard work and your talent and nothing else. So these are these are really noble and important principles.

And, and also, and I'll talk about more about this, you know, all night, really as much as long as you guys want to hear about it. But but, but as, as you may have, as you may have seen with stuff that we've posted on the doge.gov website and the DOGE handle on the X platform, there is a tremendous amount of waste and fraud in the federal government. Like, shocking. Really. It's it's insane. Yeah. It's really wild.

So, like, I mean, it was inevitable that at least a few saw US operatives would be in the audience. Give my regards to George. Say hi to George for me. USAUSAUSAUSA. Yep. I mean, it was inevitable. I was waiting for that one. So I mean, I mean, yeah. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I mean, isn't it, isn't it shocking how much violence and hatred is coming from the left?

I mean, isn't this supposed, isn't it supposed to be the, the party that they claim to be, the party of empathy? And yet they're burning, they're burning Teslas and shooting up dealerships and calling for the death of the president and me. I'm like, guys, you know, this is, this is insane. Like they're gone psycho. I mean, it's really like, I totally understand if somebody doesn't want to buy a product. Yeah, it's up to you. It's free country, you know, but

you don't have to burn it down. OK. But much that's somebody else's car. Leave it alone. Thanks, guys. Yeah, So man, the, the arrangement level on the left is just like, it's blown my mind, frankly. I mean, I'm like, what is going on? It's they've just lost it. Next level. I'm like, it's like, whoa. And I, I sort of wonder what's, you know, the, the legacy media is in part to blame for this and maybe primarily to blame for this because, you know, if, you

know, it's really terrible. It's like if if they keep calling, you know, they've they've called obviously called President Trump every name in the book. You know, there's one article that that called the president worse than Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin combined. And like, actually President Trump killed anyone. In fact, he's very good at stopping wars, not starting them. So, you know, we're really very

different. Maybe we need to add some more history lessons back in schools because I don't know if people understand, you know, what the difference do. Do they know what Hitler was leading us on?

Did it seems they, they don't. I mean, it's just indicative of the poor quality of, of education pushed by the national Department of Education. So, you know, we, that's why we, we want to restore freedom to the states, to the let the states decide on the educational agenda and not have something pushed by a bunch of neo Marxists in DC. So I mean, it is astounding how much anti American propaganda is pushed on, on, on kids today in schools.

It's mind blowing. It's like, what the Hell's going on? You know? So anyway, but on a poor positive note, we, we, we have this petition, you know, to sort of against activist judges because judges should be simply interpreting the law and not making the law. So in appreciation for the support of people in, in signing this petition against activist judges, we just want judges to be judges, you know, which is a

reasonable thing to ask for. And we're obviously, obviously seeing like some crazy stuff in, in, in DC where, you know, it seems like the, it's like any, any federal judge can stop any action by the president, the, you know, the, of the United States. This is insane. Like we, we, this, this has got to stop. It's got to stop it at the federal level and at the state level. But let me first hand out two $1

million checks in appreciation. OK, So the first check goes to Nicholas Jacobs. All right. I should say that the, the reason, you know, the reason for the checks is that it's, it's really just to get, get attention. It's, it's like we, we need to get attention. And, and it's somewhat inevitably when I do this, these things, the, you know, the, the sort of, it causes the legacy media to like kind of lose their minds and, and, and, and then, and then they'll, they'll run it

on every news channel. And I'm like, I, I couldn't pay them to the, it would cost like 10 times more or, you know, it's, it's to get the kind of coverage that we get. So all right, all right, all right. You can just, I guess take it if you want. We'll get, we'll get, I think we'll get you a real one too. So and then the second one, second one is to Katarina Diesler. Let's see hopefully here. So well, and you know, like I said, this is just helpful for

getting getting attention. And then like, it's it's kind of fun to see the legacy media lose their minds over too. So love you too. So, yeah, so see, Hello. OK, congratulations. All right, all right, congratulations. All right. So we're also going to be announcing, we are announcing now a, a program, sort of a, a get out the vote program. That's the web page should be going live. I think we're around now, which is at the America Pack website or just go to the America Pack X account.

And the single biggest challenge, I think is actually just making people aware that there is this very important election. And there's both the the very important election for Judge Schimmel as well as the deciding on, on adding voter ID to the Wisconsin, Wisconsin Constitution, which is very, very important. So it's, it's really, it's quite shocking that that I mean, you can sort of tell where voter fraud is happening, where they ban ID, you know, like, why would you ban ID?

Like in New York and California, it's like illegal to show ID at an election. Well, why would, I can't imagine

why that would be the case. So, so 2 really important things it is, it's really just sure, ensure judicial integrity on Tuesday and, and then the, the voter ID thing and, you know, it's April Fool's Day. So and it is, it's, it's like, like most people aren't, like I said, most people aren't aware that there is this, this important election, but most people don't even know that there's an election at all.

And, or if they do, they aren't sure exactly when and where it is. And they aren't sure yet of that. They don't realize just how important it is. They think it's, well, it's just, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that important. But it actually what they're doing. What what's happening on Tuesday is a vote for the, the, which party controls the US House of Representatives. That is why it is so, so

significant. And whichever party controls the House, you know, it it it to a significant degree controls the country, which then steers the course of Western civilization. So it's like, I, I feel like this is one of those things that that may not seem that it's going to affect the entire destiny of humanity, but I think it will. Yeah. So it's it's a super, it's a super big deal. And, and the, the fact that I'm here in person, like I'm not phoning it in, I'm here in

person. I'm and they're, yeah, so, and there, there were quite a few death threats. I have to tell you, I was like, my security team said it. Well, it's, it's actually gone down from yesterday to today, went down from 18,000 to 17,000. So I'm like, maybe it's getting better, you know, but you can see like how crazy some of these

people are. You know, look, look at the, the, the two sort of people that try to assassinate President Trump, You know, I mean, I was and what, you know, they both almost succeeded. So it's, it's, it's real. Like it's not like some imaginary thing.

So anyway, So what what we're announcing is, is kind of like a, a block captain program where somebody can sign up to knock on doors in their zip code and encourage people to to, well, make people aware that there is a vote and then aware of how important the vote is. So you can sign up to be a kind of a block captain for your zip code on the America Pack website right now. Yeah. And if you do, it's, it's like basically 20 bucks for just

taking a photo with somebody. It's pretty straightforward. Just knock on doors in your neighborhood and, and, and give them either a digital or a paper, you know, picture of, you know, Justice Brad Schimmel. It, it can be an approximation. It doesn't have to be exact, but, and, and they just have to say thumbs up and hold a picture of, of Judge Schimmel and that's it. And you get $20 sounds. It's pretty easy. It's easy money.

So, but the, the whole point of it is just to make people aware of the election and, and say that there is an election, it's on Tuesday and it's super important, please vote. But I think without something like this, we're, we actually are in serious danger of losing the election. This is very important to put to put in mind if you if you look

at the betting market odds. So if you look at sort of the Polymark out of Cal St. like the betting markets, it varies between 85% and 90% probability of loss for Justice Schimmel. That's the current situation. So we got to, we got to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Next level it's we actually got to have a steady stream of rabbits out of the hat like it's an arc of rabbits flying through the air and and landing in a in a voting booth. Interesting picture Garat could

probably make that picture. So that's that's basically what's needed is, is is we need to generate an anomaly in the matrix and because I think there's currently there there the dams are 100,000 votes ahead. But if actually if, just if the people that voted for President Trump simply vote on Tuesday, we will win. That's actually all it takes. Just vote. Boom, done, victory. So. So we're basically to to dragnet the state. It's like everybody's going to mobilize everywhere like crazy

for the next 48 hours. And I, I think this will be important for the future of civilization. It's that significant. So you don't hear me saying that very often. It's, it's a big deal. So vote for Judge Supercharge Schimmel, I call them Supercharge Schimmel. So let's see. So with that, I think we can do some do Q&A if you guys would like to do some Q&A and I'm happy to answer any questions. It could be, you know about those or whatever you'd like to

hear about. Because I think if you ask questions that the public would be interested in hearing, then you know, those, those snippets will go all over the place and it will be helpful to the, the public, you know, at, at large and maybe even beyond, beyond our country. So let's see yeah, go ahead. We can just start over there. As AI gets continues to get smarter, won't it inevitably see through its creators propaganda? Yes. The question is as AI gets smarter, will it see through its

creators propaganda? I I hope so. I think you can sort of think of an AI as it is somewhat nurtured by its creator. So you have to say what, what is the operating principle? What, what is, what is the, what is the North Star of the AI? You know, if it's somewhat corporate AI, it could be like it's just trying to make

corporations happy. Or it could be, you know, if it's particularly some of the AIS that that are trained in, like the city of San Francisco, it's going to have kind of a San Francisco bias to it. Because you can think of like smart people as well as like, you know, there are big differences in, in sort of beliefs among smart people. And so you can expect that there will be big differences in

beliefs among AI as well. With Grok, our aspiration is a maximally truth seeking AI, which is like, you always want to try to get as close to the truth as possible, even if the truth is unpopular. And that's that's our goal, which I think is a very important goal. Hey, nice shirt. Thank you. First of all, Path of Exile for life.

But more importantly, as we see the the whole world has turned to a fear based mobilization effort and we've seen that translate into violence and and the right's not immune to it because it can hit psychology. How do we beat that with optimism? Because that's going to be crucial to avoid mass eruption of conflict. Yeah. I mean, did this seem to be? You're right that the, the, the right is not immune from sort of

hate and violence. It's not like nothing, but it, it does seem weirdly heavily weighted towards the left. I mean, like I haven't seen anyone tearing off like a, a

Biden Harris hat. Like we're just like, you feel a bit sorry for them, Like, oh, maybe they're wrong there, you know, but, but, but you see people tearing off mega hats and somebody just, you know, I saw a video just as just just today where somebody was just on an escalator, woman was on an escalator wearing a MAGA hat and someone gone in the other direction tore the hat off her head. I'm like, what? That's, that's rude, you know?

So in fact, I sort of find myself in a strange position because I, I didn't think of myself as right. I thought myself as centrist, but then the left went all the other way in other direction and now everyone's a Nazi, you know, boy, you know it. And I'm like, wait a second, do you know what that means? Obviously not so.

But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I believe in peaceful discourse and that, you know, we make arguments, verbal arguments and and the people decide which way they want to go. But we, you know, we don't engage in sort of shouting people down or, or violence or burning things or shooting things. That's what that's how democracy is supposed to work. There's peaceful discourse. Yeah. My question is about US aid.

Has the Doge team found any evidence that any of the radical left Democrats like Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer have received money directly from USAID? And if so, will we be hearing about that evidence anytime soon? Yeah. So the, the, there is a massive amount of corruption, but but

it, it is circuitous. So what happens is there's money that obviously it's your taxpayer money that that is then sent to various government organizations who then send it to, to NGOs, which, which an NGO is a non governmental organization. But obviously if it's a government funded non governmental organization, it's just an organization, it's just a government.

And effectively there's a giant fraud loophole, which is that the the government can send money to an NGO that has been no longer governed by the law of laws of the United States. So they'll they'll send the money overseas to one NGO, Then they'll go through a bunch of a bunch of them. And then I'm highly confident that a bunch of that money then comes back to the United States and lands in the pockets of the people you just mentioned. But it is a circuitous route.

It's not like it, it doesn't go directly, but let's just say that this a lot of strangely wealthy members of Congress where I'm, I just can't, I, I'm trying to connect the dots of how do they become rich while earning? How do they get 20 million if they're earning 200,000 a year? It sounds that's how do nobody can explain that. So, so, so something's, yeah, we, we, we're going to try to figure it out and, and, and, and certainly stop it from

happening. So, yeah, I mean, just in general, this, this the, the whole NGO scam is, is just crazy. And yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's blown my mind really. So yeah, most of us here are aware of social media censorship, and I know you're keenly aware of it. Thank you for turning around X. Awesome. Welcome. As censorship picks up in financial institutions, what can we do about that? Are you referring to offering financial services by X? No, Sorry. Being kicked off of financial. Oh, yeah.

For beliefs. Yeah. Yeah, well, certainly that that won't happen during the the Trump administration. Hopefully that can be enshrined in law, which is part of the reason why we need a Republican Congress. So you didn't see any Republicans kicking Democrats out of and de banking Democrats, but there were a lot of Republicans that were debanked thousands, which is really outrageous.

So, so I said it does seem kind of one sided, you know, this like trying to ruin people's lives and financially and and violent protests overwhelmingly is coming from the left these days, you know, it's like, and whereas the right is polite, you know, and fair as far as I can tell. So yeah, go ahead. Thank you for being here. Your comment kind of about the Matrix is kind of ironic because my husband and I watched first the the first Matrix and the

sequel yesterday. My question is, when so much of social media nowadays, you know, whether it be X or YouTube or whatever, is kind of curated to like your purse, a person's particular beliefs or even where we have protesters that show up to town halls or or potentially are paid. How do you does America kind of come together?

And it used to be where you could have a conversation and have discourse like you discussed and still be friends even if you disagreed with kind of some of their statements. When you talk about knocking on doors, like to different peoples house, like one kind of fear that I have is like, even if you talk to somebody, everybody has their own sets of beliefs and their own truths. So I guess how do you get

through that? Yeah, well, I think what we saw there for quite a while was that all of the legacy media and all of the new social media were in lockstep together and they were all parroting the same left wing talking points. And they were suppressing any dissent and any, any so-called right wing or frankly even centrist views. And with that, that's why I thought it was it was critical to acquire Twitter now X in order to enable that dialogue.

So it's it's it's only a step in the right direction. And I think you've seen now once X was willing to to break ranks and not censor Republicans, then you you saw others also started moving that direction. You know, it, it looks like, for example, Facebook. And it will matter, you know.

Yeah. Is they they if certainly Mark Zuckerberg has stated that they will be doing a sort of community notes based on the community notes of the X platform and and and as opposed to having sort of far left censorship Bureau that's sort of, you know, the work star see essentially reviewing things. So that's a step in the right direction. You know, there's there's some maybe some hope for the CNNS of the world. There's like with with with with Scott being on there.

He's great. You know, he's like, I mean, I'm sort of hopeful that things that are, are moving in in the direction where different points of view are espoused on or, or, you know, heard on legacy media and, and social media. So I'm, I guess maybe I'm actually a little bit optimistic about the future. And, you know, on the X platform, you know, we don't prioritize and, you know, one side or the other, we try to be as fair as possible.

And I will reply to, you know, prominent Democrats, even if they sort of say terrible things about me. So, you know, it's like, yeah, we should have this discourse. And so I, I kind of think at least on the media front, things are going a good direction. But on the but I but I am kind of perturbed by the sort of how aggressive these protests are.

You know, where it's it's like, you know, there are people at these protests calling for the death of the president and death of me and I don't know, probably death of others. You know, that that's not, that's the kind of thing that's not not cool. You know, at the risk of saying something outrageous, calling for murder is not cool. Yeah. So can't believe. Thanks for coming, Elon. I'm a teacher by trade.

I have gone through the four year bachelor's degree to teach the nation's youth going forward on that. Yeah. Actually, I'm kind of curious. What? What what was that like? Like, Yeah, I got an English degree, man. At the end of the day, unless you want to hire me, that's about, you know, that's sure. So during teacher college, they give us a heat map and it says these are the cost per head on

each student. The South, southeast is generally the worst, but they're also generally the lowest spent per capita on each student beyond just that correlation of the one text I got in an education class. I wonder with your investments in Khan Academy, with the advancement of AI educational tools, where specifically you can get feedback and these students can get feedback. Yeah, absolutely. Where do we see 100 years from now with all. Oh, man, 100 years from now?

How about 50? I hope we last 100 years. I'll be like jackpot, you know? Yeah, exactly. Hopefully we hopefully we were like on Mars, you know, so that would be really cool. So I do think AI can be incredibly helpful in teaching because you can, you can essentially set up each kid with like a personalized AI and that that AI can then answer questions for each kid.

And that actually can be very profound in learning because obviously if you've got a classroom of say 2530 kids, it's, you can't like spend, it's literally impossible to spend time with every kid individually. Or at least you can spend a little bit of time, but not obviously it's, it's a one to 21 to 30 ratio.

So, but I, but what you can do is, is you can set them up with the AI and then you can, you know, if things get stuck or, or whatever, if, if, if you want to, you can, you can essentially guide the orchestra that way. And I think it could be a very powerful learning tool. You know, I, I personally enjoyed my English classes in high school. Actually, you know, they, sometimes I wondered, why am I

reading Charles Dickens? But, you know, there's some merit to reading Dickens and, and, and many of the, I actually think that we should have a, a great Canon of, of English literature that, that, that kids do at least, you know, some number of the significant works of in the English language. So. I mean this, yeah, it seems like very obvious to me, but yeah. And, and another thing with regard to teaching is that I think teaching is a very

important profession. If you look at the expenditures, there's a very big rise in the number of administrators, but but not a very big rise in the number of teachers. And so that's, that's really the big factor, which is we, we should have more actual teachers, you know, and, and I, I believe in paying teachers well and, and having a lot of, a lot of teachers, but we should say, why do we have so many administrators or, or non teachers?

So administrative expense has gone ballistic, but teaching expenses is more or less flat. Doesn't make sense. So first, I would like to apologize to you on behalf of America for the idiots you have to deal with, for what you're doing, for us to improve our country. Second of all, my question is, what is your opinion on the Federal Reserve and do you have any intentions of doing anything with them and the Fed? Yeah, I don't know.

I always wanted to say that, you know, but but I mean, I think that's like 20,000 people that work at the Fed. Seems pretty high. It's like there's a lot of people who work with the Fed on us things like why do we have so many people at this at the Fed and what do they do? And you know, sometimes I wonder which one would win, you know, the federal for interest rates the the federal, the board of the Federal Reserve or a magic 8 ball.

And I'm like, I think the Magic 8 ball might win, you know, So then I'm like, well, Magic 8 ball is a lot cheaper. So, you know, it's like you shake it, it says check back again later. I'm like, OK, same thing. But, but I think we, we, we, we, we, what really matters is that the government spending it is, is not far in excess of

government revenue. That's a fundamental issue that we have where the, we have a, a deficit of $2 trillion and we have interest payments that now exceed the entire budget of the military. In fact, that that was a big wake up call for me was when the, the amount of money that we're paying national debt interest exceeded the Defense Department budget. I'm like, Defense Department budget is very big and interest is higher than that and, and,

and climbing. That's a disaster, you know, so the, the very simple, straightforward goal of, of the doge team is to get rid of waste and forward. It's it's mostly waste. It's, it's or depending on how you know, I'd say it's probably 80% waste, 20% forward, something like that. But it's a trillion dollars. So that's still a lot. And it's, it's, you know, it's got a, you know, it's got to be we, we got the, the another

Soros sleeper agent there. USAUSAUSAUSA So I mean to be to be clear, the the the very simple thing we're doing and we we post everything publicly on the doge website, which is it's just to look at every expense and say, is this actually a good use of your taxpayer dollars? That's it It's not it's not super complicated and and and the thing that's that's pretty

wild. This is why I like, I say like, you know, I used to be a Democrat like, and so like, and if you listen to the, the speeches of Clinton and Gore in, in the 90s when they, they were going on about reducing waste and fraud, it literally you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if like who said it, Doge or Clinton Gore, you can't even tell the difference sounds exactly the same.

It's wild. So we're, we're, we're really just trying to restore common sense to government and say like, let's not waste your money and let's make sure it's spent well and, and that's it. And in, in trying to save a trillion dollars of expenditures, what we're saying is of the 7 trillion in, in government spending, let's try to see, let's see if we can make it 15%, one 5% more efficient. And I'm confident that we can. That's actually not a huge bar,

by the way. So, and, and when you see the when you see the crazy things that the government is spending money on, you can see a list of some of them. You know, it's like, I don't know if we should be spending money on transgender comic books in Peru. That doesn't seem like an ideal thing to spend your money on.

You know, why would we do that? If if somebody in Peru wants to do that of their own accord, that's fine, but it shouldn't be your money that does it. So it's it just, and you know, we shouldn't be paying rent on empty buildings.

And you know, if, if, if people, if I do think there is a role for government, but, but we just need to make, we're just going to, we're just going through and saying and, and doing what I would call like an, an external and, and, and necessary and reasonably trusted review of, of organizations and, and personnel. So is this, is this person doing a good job? Great. Is the role necessary? If so, that's good.

And are they reasonably trusted, meaning they're not a psycho, Like we're not talking about like political affiliation, just that they're not crazy. So you know what's wrong with that? I'm like, sounds super normal to me. So that's it.

Now, in this process, one of the things that we've discovered, which is I think on the fraud side, which is a really big deal, is that the Democrat administration, the Biden administration has basically taken every arm of the of the US government and bent it towards creating a financial incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the United States. Now this is every part of the government, so like Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, disability, even the

IRS. So you, you can like fill out a fake tax return and say you, you need a tax, a tax. Maybe I shouldn't tell people this, but it'll actually work. I mean, mostly there's some chance you'll get caught, but you can actually fill out a fake tax return. You can, you can just get a tax refund even though if you didn't

pay taxes. So we're trying to stop all these things, say like, OK, well, let's stop the waiting for it. And, and we also need to turn off the massive financial incentive for illegals to come to the United States and, and stay in the United States. And this is really the thing that is causing the Democrats to lose their mind, you know, because they're, they're actually spending at this point 10s of billions to attract and retain illegals in the United States.

It's, it's really on that scale. It's a gigantic number. And the goal is, is to turn all the swing states blue. That means Wisconsin. So that's the goal. So with the asylum program, if, if they can get a green card within a year and then they can get citizenship, you know, as as quickly as four years after getting a green card, because the first year of of being asylum, being asylum counts for the for the five year citizenship waiting period. So this is this is a very big deal.

So a number of friends of mine have actually joined the government and in order to help with this process, and I'd like to welcome my friend Antonio Gracias to the to the stage. I think. So. Does it work? I can give you mine. Does it work? It'll be OK. I mean, Buzz Aldrin's still alive and he's he went past the belts. Is this working? Yeah, there we go. So, Antonio, can you tell us what what you Antonio is helping out with the Social Security?

So just trying to review Social Security where you may have heard that we found 20 million dead people mocked as alive in the Social Security database. This is too so crazy. And then you'll notice there's a strange trend here where how many Social Security numbers were issued? It it's do you want to? Yeah. So let me, let me tell you what happened here. We we started at the top of the system. We. Want to talk about a lot of.

We started at the top of the system, mapping the whole system of Social Security to understand where all the fraud was. And there's a lot of great people there that showed us really a lot of waste. And so that came up with a big list of stuff they're working on. You've heard from that already, but this is what jumped out at us when we saw these numbers. We're like, what is this? In 21? You see 270,000 people goes all the way to 2.1 million and 24. These are non citizens that are

getting Social Security numbers. Yeah, this, this is a mind blowing charge. Yeah, just this this literally blew us away. Like, we went there to find fraud and we found this by accident. And this isn't political, by the way. My parents, immigrants. Yeah, this country's been great to us. My brothers and sister, all born in Spain. I'm pro legal immigration. This is not, this is not political.

This is not political. This is about America and the future of America. And there are a lot of good people in the system that pointed this in this direction. I want to I want to honor them right now that work in the government today who took risks to show us these numbers and tell us what's going on. I want to stop for a minute. I want to tell, I want to honor those people today. Very good people, very good people.

I have been from DC to Social Security offices to the border to track this down and very good people have helped us along the way. I want to thank them. Yeah. This number, what this is, is when you come in the country, if you're an illegal, there's a couple ways to come in. You come in through a port of entry and you can tell them you're afraid and you'll get it. They'll give you an asylum, asylum case. You get an interview, then you get in.

That's one way to do it. Another way to do it is to just go to the border. Literally this happened. I talked to Border Patrol myself. Elon was there too. I went to Laredo and I went to Bronzeville. Elon went to Eagle Pass. You walk up to work with officer and you tell them you want to come in. They have a couple of choices. They could charge you with a misdemeanor or a felony under 1325, or they can make an administrative offense like a

parking ticket. Basically they were told to do that, make an administrative offense on the last administration and you could walk across the border. They do what's called a released in your own recognizance and they give you an MTA notice to appear, which appear to judge. The wait times on judges are like average six years. Look at Carac, you'll see it on immigration judges. There's only 700 of them. This is 5.5 million people.

OK, So what happens then? Once you're in the country and you got asylum through one of these pathways, we map the whole thing out. You can apply for a work document. You file a 765. It's the work form. You get this form called the 766, that's the authorization, and then Social Security Administration automatically send you in the mail, your social street number, no interview, no ID. This is worth like just reiterating it.

It it's not that it's not. People sometimes think that under the Biden administration that that he was simply asleep with the switch. He wasn't asleep. They weren't asleep at the switch. It it it was a massive large scale program to import as many illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map of the United States and disenfranchise the American people and make it a permanent deep blue one party state from

which there would be no escape. Look, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not sure I believed it. I went through it myself and mapped it. And he was right. This is true. The defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the benefit programs have been set to Max inclusion, Max pay for these people, and minimum collection. That's what's happening. We found 1.3 million of them already on Medicaid, as an example. We've gone through on every benefit program we went through.

We found groups from this particular group of people, this 5.5 million people in those benefit programs. And then what was really, really disturbing us was why we're asking ourselves why. And so we actually just took a sample and looked at voter registration records and we found people here registered to vote in this population. Yes. And who did vote? And and we found some by sampling that actually did vote.

And we have referred them to prosecution at the Homeland Security Investigation Service already. Already. That has already happened right now. Yeah. And the truly disturbing thing, though, I just want you to know this a truly disturbing thing to me and the darkest thing about this to me, the voter fraud is terrible. But the human tragedy that's created is extraordinary because what you don't understand, people don't know. And Americans need to know. That's why I'm here.

Is it human traffickers made 13 to $15 billion off of this? OK, That's the money that's going around the world, moving people around the world to our borders because of these incentives. How does it work? What happens, hey, if you're in Africa and you're in South America, you got to walk up through Mexico and through this America. Who do you pay? You pay the narcos, you pay the traffickers, right? And we found, we were told by ICE, it's between 20,000 and 500 bucks. Depends.

They pick you up to walk across all those countries and get all the way up to the border. Where's that money goes? It goes to the cartels. It goes to human traffickers, right? There are 30,000 children that have not appeared on the notice to appear already. ICE knows this. 30,000 children, 270,000 children didn't even get notices to appear. ICE told us. The kids are being trafficked back and forth across the border to complete families to make this easier.

This is a human tragedy. It's not just the money, it's the people and the kids. Now, how many these people died on the way up here that didn't make it in? What happened to them? We created a system here that created a descendant for people to come and be taken advantage of by these traffickers. And how do you think it paid? What you're in Africa since America, You got $20,000 or $10,000 or $5000 to pay these traffickers. No, you don't. What happens?

You come in, then you owe them the money. You're indentured servant. If you don't pay them, what happens? What do they do? They kill your mother. They kill your brother, they kill your family. What happens next? That's what we discovered. And I have to tell you, it was, it's tragic to me. The tragedy, the human tragedy this created is extraordinary. That's the real problem.

This is America. We don't do this here in America. We don't do this here in America. People come here legally, and that's great. Elon came here legally. My parents came here legally. That's the way to do it. This is this is outrageous. Yeah, it's, it's it's pretty wild. I mean, you can see because there's still actually a lot of people out there, especially in the sort of center third of the country that that somehow think this is made-up by the right or it's it's like some fiction.

It's not that it's somehow not true, but it is, it isn't is absolutely true. And you can see that if, if you, if you like, you know, look at things like the state of New York, which tried to make it legal for, for, for illegal immigrants to vote in the state of New York. That was only shot down by the New York Supreme Court a few weeks ago. And, and California has made it healthcare available to all illegals in the state. And they initially claimed that it would only cost 3 billion.

It's now 9 billion and climbing. So it's, it's really, if you create a massive financial incentive for people to come to the United States illegally, then that's what they will do. It's it's a very sort of stranger if we ought if that didn't happen. So the the really the thing that is actually has the Democrats losing their mind. By far the real reason for these attacks and, and sort of the burning of the cars and everything is that we're going to turn off the payments to illegals

because. Yeah, I mean, because that's not the deal. You know, this, it's, you know, it's not, it's, it's not, it's simply not right. And you know, if you look at that thing with the Roosevelt Hotel and like, you know, the luxury hotels in New York where the Federal Emergency Management Agency funds were being used to, to house illegals in luxury hotels in New York that the average American can't afford. And they were giving a welcome package and $10,000 debit cards and everything else.

Like it's, it's super real. I mean, it's, it's like it's, it's, it's in my, I think it's the, the, the biggest voter fraud thing in history by far. And, and more of a if, if left unchecked, it would have succeeded. As Antonio mentioned, the, the time frame for going from asylum to citizen is roughly five years.

And so all of the people that came in on that chart that you saw, if, if the, if the machine behind the Kamala puppet had won, then you know, they change out the puppet, but it's the same machine, then they would have actually legalized all those people and there would be no swing states. And we added more. Remember it was doubling every year. Yes, it went from 1,000,000.

It was going ballistic. Going ballistic and it is, it is just these people are just entering the, the, the benefit programs now, by the way, we're seeing the ramp happen too. And these are just the ones that are in the system. This doesn't count the other, you know, seven and a half, 8 million that ICE thinks are out there. We don't know if they have numbers. The number is totally uncontrolled. The voter ID requirement in the state is super important because

of this. Yes, because the Social Security number, it's not supposed to be a federal ID number, but basically is. That's how you access all the benefits. This is why we need voter ID because this thing is not secure.

You could walk into a Social Security house today, today is an adult America and get a Social Security number enumerated with simply a answering six or seven simple questions and showing some some forms of ID that are not federal ID. Well, you can just actually make it up. Basically you can show basically like like a fake utility bill or you know.

A medical bill and a school ID. Yeah, medical bill and a school ID and you can get a Social Security number and then from there you get on the border rolls and then the basically Dem operatives will form the vote. So you know, the problem with this obviously, is that if you turn the swing states blue, then there are no swing States. And then we're in a permanent

one, one party system. And as soon as they win that, they'll have the House, the Senate, the presidency, they'll pack the Supreme Court. Then they'll they'll double down on, on the illegals, just like California. So we're like, we've already seen this happen in California. California supermajority Dem. So, but at least California is held back by the fact that people can move out of state.

Once you can no longer leave America, they will be they'll be far worse than California. So the gravity of the situation is severe. Help us clean up Wisconsin border wall. Yes, absolutely. So, I mean, it's it's really simple stuff. Just, you know, having you know, photo ID to vote is like you can't like buy something at the liquor store. But voting is a lot is more important than, you know, buying a beer so you're. Going to need a real ID.

You got an airplane. Yeah, you can't play anywhere. Yeah. And and like the same people who said who are saying that there should be no voter ID at at voting stations, demanded vaccine ID from everyone. I'm like, that's weird, you know, So, so it's really about just restoring integrity to the voting system, which really should not be a right or left course, but a course for all is do we, do we not all want integrity in the voting system? Of course we do, yes. Of course, yes.

So, so, so well, you're welcome to hang out and see. Maybe there's some questions for you. Let's see. We'll we'll go. Hi, Elon. I also, I am a teacher. I was a teacher in Colorado for eight years, high school Spanish, But I moved, I moved here last year and got to vote in Wisconsin where my vote actually mattered.

And I'm so glad. That was amazing that we got Trump elected and I was listening to, I believe it was Patrick Bet David, he called this perfectly where he said when Elon or when, when Trump gets elected, he's going to go from enemy number one to Elon's going to be number #1 and for the reason I mean, he only has a couple years left. And we've all seen the, the left go after you and make you #1 enemy and just walking in here, we heard Nazis suck.

There's all this horrible thing. And just on a, on a serious note, I just want to let you know my wife and I pray for you at night. Thank you for your safety. And guys, thank you. I I got to, I got to wash my hand gestures these days, you know, but I think this one's safe, you know, You know, it's like can't wave to the crowd is

going to know what will happen. And I've been a fan of yours for like a decade and I've been a walking Tesla ad to anybody who talks to me, even though I never had a Tesla until I came to Wisconsin too. And it's 10 years old, but it's the best Model S I've ever had. Thank you, It's incredible. Thank you. But I, I just wanted to take to ask you if it would be OK. I brought my dad with me.

He's a pastor. And I just thought if it's OK with you, I would love for him to say a prayer for you as well for your protection. Thank you, Elon. Well, thank you so much for everything you've done for our country. We, we do love you very much. Thank you and, and as a pastor, but just as a person, right. And even if I wasn't a Christian, and I know not everyone here is a Christian, but I think there's quite a few of you here and who, who are either way, we, we love all, all

people. It's that's not the issue. The issue is, is fairness. What you're talking about the issue being just and the justice being a weapon instead of law fair instead of actually a just and, and all this corruption you're talking about. And that's a bad spirit, if you want to say it that way, putting it nicely. It's it's something evil that has come against our country, our morals, our families, etcetera. And then you and the president and others getting attacked with

this outrage and this hate. So if you would allow me to pray, you'd all who want to please join me, bow our heads and pray. Gracious Heavenly Father, we are thankful for our country. We are thankful that God does bless America and that God is the source of all goodness, love and provision. And that you, Lord God, have provided a great nation with a great history. And although we've gone through many rough times, you're still very present and active with. Us Thank you for protecting.

President Trump, from that fatal attack, and we ask that you envelope and protect all of those who are fighting for justice, for freedom, for order, for dignity, and to reward people according to merit. And especially put your hedge of protection around Elon Musk, around his children, around his whole entire family and all of his team members. That all would do good and just by our country and freedom truly and justice would reign. Once again, we ask.

This in the name of the blessed Savior Jesus Christ, who we remember during this time of year, who suffered and died for our sins. May you wash away. All that is wrong with our country and start with us. We ask this in Jesus name, Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good to you. You can hang out if you want. Well, that was that was beautiful. That was so beautiful. So I think we're going to need divine protection, frankly.

Hey Elon, I'd like to start off by thanking you for all that you've done for our country in the world as a greater whole. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart as well.

I had a question for you as you go about your decision making at Doge. How are you able to keep your moral North star and not set precedents when it comes to overstepping democratic processes Simply because the end justifies the means and have outcomes similar to the last election with Democratic presidential candidate being appointed without due process that just further polarizes the

country. Also on a side note, one more thing, do you see a place in the long term for decentralized technology and society and government? Yeah, I mean, to answer the second question first, I think generally it's good to have decentralized systems because the more centralized something is, the more the more power that is in anyone single entity, the more corruption you're likely to have. So decentralization I think is

good to minimize corruption. Then with respect to doge, I mean, as I said, it's it's it's we're trying to be as literal as possible. It just, it's department of Government efficiency. And it's just literally going through and saying, OK, this money was spent. Is it money that most Americans would agree is sensible or is it not? And you know, if it doesn't seem sensible, then we, you know, say, well, we shouldn't spend that money anymore, which, and we should, we should stop it.

So, and then we post the, the we try to be as transparent as possible. So all the doge actions are posted on the doge.gov website and on the doge handle on X. So if people disagree with something, they, we can say, well, which, which part do you disagree with? And when, when I get these sort of attacks of like, oh, it's

unconstitutional. I mean, like, well, which expenditure is unconstitutional that we have stopped because and then they can, they don't know actually, because they don't, they haven't actually looked at anything. So now obviously a lot of this can be reversed with a new administration, but at least for some period of time, we're going to make sure that your taxpayer money is spent at least 15% better. It's, it's, it's, it's not like a, you know, I think it's a reasonable goal.

It's a rational goal. It's a sensible goal and and the the net result, I should say, if, if, if we have the combination of a trillion dollar increase in the, an economic output and a trillion dollar decrease in the, in the budget deficit, then the outcome should be that there is no inflation or very little inflation from one year to the next.

So at the end of next year, you could, the prices will be at the grocery store will be very similar to what they are right now, which means that, you know, standard of living will, will, will actually probably be higher, a little bit higher. Whereas we've had rampant inflation to date, which inflation is really just a pernicious tax that has been used by governments throughout history. It's very tempting for governments to use inflation as a as a tax because it's indirect.

People see the prices rising at the grocery store or, you know, for goods and services or for houses. And they, they tend to like blame the store, but it's, it's not the store, it's the government. The government has reduced the value of money and as a result, prices rise. So by, you know, changing by, by reducing waste and forward, we'll essentially make the economy more efficient and we'll shift people resources from the government to the private sector.

And that will result in an increase in the output of goods and services. And, and so the, the average standard of living will therefore rise. So like they're trying to make economics sound very complicated, but it's, it's really not that complicated. Standard, the standard of living increases when the, the, when the output of goods, average output of goods and services increases per person. There's basically more stuff. Therefore you have more stuff to divide across the people.

That's it. And you can, you can run this sort of thought experiment and say, like if it was 100 people on an island and you'd say, well, how many people do you want farming, fishing, making stuff, you know, versus, you know, doing regulations. You would say like you wouldn't want like 20 people doing regulations. You know, it'd be like, that's too many. Well then maybe you'd want one or two, I don't know. Maybe none, ideally 0. I'm, I'm all for a small

government, by the way. I'm, I think really. Yeah. You know, when the United States was, when the United States was formed, there were only, you know, you had the Secretary of State, Secretary of War, which I think is a more accurate name than Defence. And, you know, but it was secretary of War for a long time. And you had secretary of the Treasury and you had the attorney general. That was it. And if we're entirely up to me, I'd be like, let's, let's make it like that again.

Yeah. Hi, gentlemen. I've got a quick question regarding government and transparency. Do you think Dogecoin may ever be used or the Dogecoin blockchain to be used for maximum transparency? Well, the names are similar, but they're doing 2 very different things. So in fact, I was going to call it like the Government Efficiency Commission, but that's a super boring name. And then the Internet said no, it needs to be called the Department of Government Efficiency.

It was like, well, Internet, that's the Arnet is right. So, so we changed the name from Government Efficiency Commission to Department of Government Efficiency, but there are no plans for the government to use Dogecoin or, or anything as far as I know. So that they, they happen to be similar names. But, but really it's just, we're just literally trying to make the government 15% more efficient. It's kind of like, like most of the work that's that's being done is, it's kind of like

homework. It's not like it's, it's just, it's just work. You know, it frankly, it's like washing the dishes. It's not like, you know, it's, it's a lot of, it's not super fun work. It's just, you know, going through and looking at every expense and saying why, you know, why is this department have like 10 times more software licenses than people? That doesn't make sense. You know what, why, why is this? Why is the government spending $10 million a year on Politico

subscriptions? That doesn't make sense. You know, like there's just one thing after another like that. It's like think things that are just kind of kind of boring. So it's, it's like a ton of boring stuff like you do hear about like the, the, the sort of weird stuff that makes the headlines, but most of it, most of the costs that are being cut are just very basic boring things.

It's it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like homework at scale is what I'd call, you know, the department of government efficiency. Can I can? I add some of this question about transparency. I'm really selling it here, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I, I, I would say the principles that you want to set out for doge are they begin with truth. Truth, Find the truth #1 find the truth. Why? Because the government, government's gotten so big that actually the people don't even know what's there.

They don't know the source of truth. So these licenses, it's like people bought these licenses because they're bad people and they wanted to pay Microsoft. They just kept buying licenses. Could Microsoft keeps telling them, I mean, it's just it's that strange and. We don't want to pick on Microsoft. It's like every every software company by.

The way any software company picks my company X, they, they didn't, they bought these licenses because they just thought they should buy more licenses, more people coming in and there's no one there. People are coming back to the office, right? They, it's just finding truth. The number one principle is truth. And then transparency is number 2, I think on the list, right? So find the truth, make it public, make it transparent and #3 is man, do it fast, make it efficient and be urgent.

Yeah, those, those are the principles that you launch put

in the dose. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's worth pointing out like like it's, it's actually difficult to, you have to recalibrate how dumb things can be because it's the government, you know, frankly, it's like Dumber than you think it could possibly be. So, you know, like for example, there we found there were a whole bunch of what I call ghost payments going out where the, the government contracting officer had retired or, or changed jobs or were dead or,

or, I don't know, they were not around anymore and they forgot to turn off the payment stream to some company. And it's, it's like leaving the, the money fostered on and you, you know, leave the house, you know, and it's just the money fostered keeps going. And it's a pretty rare organization that will complain about receiving money. So organizations suddenly like, is that waste of fraud?

I mean, the government did send them the money, but they didn't deserve it. So then, well, OK, we should turn off the money spigot if they if the contract is over, you know, type of thing. So one of the things that we made a recommendation to the Treasury that that the payment classification codes and, and the explanation for the payment be mandatory fields. So, so just and have a name attached. So we could just ask the person who approved the payment, is this payment a good a good

payment? Does this make sense? This is the kind of thing that is, that is normal in, you know, for individuals and, and for companies, but well, that was not the case. So the, the reason why the, the, the government could not pass an audit was because the information did not exist that it, that would be required to pass an audit. Like it was literally impossible because you just had all these blank checks going out with no explanation and no payment code. So how you supposed to do an

audit? It's literally impossible. So that's what I mean by like, it's very basic stuff like we just want the congressional appropriation payment code to be mandatory and a very short explanation. We're not even going to judge what the explanation is, but that there'll be any explanation at all.

And a name attached is was like revolutionary and and my guess is this will probably save $100 billion a year, like a lot, you know, so. Maybe I can tell those stories from social scrutinization that people like here too, which is at Social Security Administration IT Act. They have passed their audit. Actually they've got, I don't know about 100 material deficiency, but they passed

their audit. When we looked at the balance sheet, we found that $800 million had fallen off the balance sheet last year, $800 million. What do you mean fell off the balance? Sheet. It's exactly the question I asked Elon. Thank you. Where did it fall to exactly? Where did it fall to? So I I asked the auditors. Come in. It's like a comedy sketch comedy routine here. Where did it go exactly? But wait, where did it go? Exactly. So here's what happened.

I I, I brought, I asked the auditors come in, I'm I won't get the name of the auditors come on in and I asked the audit card number what is fell off the balance you mean is that a gap term or a non gap term you. Never heard that.

What's that mean? Well, the payment plans, because under the last administration, you could pay if you owed, if you got overpaid on Social Security, like if you would, if you're on, if you're getting SSI or a disability and they paid you too much money, you got a job. I didn't tell them they paid you too much money. They dropped that payment plan to $10 a month Max. So the payment plans went out past the system date. So if I remember correctly it was 2047 payment plans output

passed system date. When it went past the system date, literally it fell off the system, it disappeared and the officers were supposed to the people, the technicians were supposed to put notes in the in the system that this was going to be collected. The notes were so bad, the orders concluded this could not be collected. And we literally lost $800 million. Go on. And I said of the order, how

could that possibly be? And she said, well, it's not really a material, it's a 1.5 trillion program. I said, well, it's a material if it's your money. Is it in the computer? It's not on the computer. It fell off the computer. Is it in? Yeah, the computer, like 200 the computer. That's in the computer. Disappeared $800 million Just disappeared I. Mean it's crazy. So there's like it's one like naughty thing after another like that. Yeah, it's, yeah, I mean.

It's crazy. Anyway, we're just, we're just trying to basically fix the computers so that we know what the heck's going on. Yeah, it's just like, please and, and, and you know, like I said, being fully transparent, being fully transparent with the American people. So you know exactly what's going on and just just making sure that, you know, yeah. Anyway, money is not wasteful or

fraudulent. You know, one interesting statistic was that 40% of the of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent, like meaning that that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior to to go to a instead to go to a fraud ring. So that was almost half of the phone calls were fraudulent. Probably the other half were people asking what happened to my Social Security. True, actually. You know, like, hey, where did my what?

This is bananas. Yeah, I mean, we, we found this actually the people there, it's just you knew this was going on and they had been complaining about it for a long time and no one fixed it because. And these were these were mostly criminal rings outside the country in other other places the world that are are jamming up the phone systems, calling in using just these simple security questions because you can actually this was how crazy it was.

You could change your direct deposit information at Social Security by simply answering 6 questions on the phone, like your mother's maiden name, your date of birth, etcetera. Stuff you can find on the Internet. Easily found on the dark web. That's why it was so easy. It was a huge, huge exploitation, super open door that I mean, the bank vault was open and the criminals ran right in and took the money and they took it away from our seniors,

right? So what happened is if like my dad's 84, he'd go get it, checks listed in the bank account wasn't there, then he's going to hold through a whole process to get it with the money back in the government, which takes a long time. It's the government, right? So we, we put in a very simple 2FA system. All this nonsense you've seen the media about. We turned off the phone lines that are not true.

All, all we did, all they did actually we, we recommended to Social Security that they put in a very simple 2FA system and they will. 22 factor. Authentication, they say kind of use the banks like pretty simple. You have a bank account, you do this. And you know what? They did it. They said, yeah, you're right, we should do that. They went and did it. Good for them. They did it. No one had the will to do it. They did it. And they're going to keep

increasing security. They've got, we've gave them, we've gave them a lot more recommendations and they're on the road to increase security. Stop all this nonsense so our our seniors and our our people that are disabled don't get stolen from. Yeah, this is really worth emphasizing because like the, you know, the radical left are saying that like somehow we're stealing Social Security. Like, first of all, I like, you know, I, I don't need the money, OK? In fact, it's costing me a lot

to be in this job. You know, you had like Tim Walsh dancing on stage showing a chart of Tesla stock, which is a really awful thing for him to do, you know, because what they're trying to do is put massive pressure on on me and, and Tesla, I guess to, to, you know, I don't know, stop, stop doing this. But you know, it's, you know, my, my Tesla stock and the stock of everyone who holds Tesla's gone went roughly in half. I mean, it's a big deal.

So not, not only is am I not getting any, I'm not getting paid, definitely not stealing money and would never get away with it, but the value of my Tesla stock is in half. So this is a very expensive job, is what I'm saying. And but, but I think it's it's it's. You're welcome. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you very much guys. So but long term, I think Tesla

stocks going to do fine. So, you know, maybe it's a buying opportunity, so, but but the, the actual thing we're doing is, is making sure that people do get their Social Security and that it doesn't get stolen so. 100%. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Go, go ahead. Hi, Elon, I got a question for you about Dodge, right. Should everybody in this room has got a bunch of money sitting in a bunch of little boxes in a

bunch of different states. And it turned into crickets when you brought it up online that you were going to go check our gold. And I'm worried about the Democrats and Joe Biden's last administration with the money not be in there. Did you get blocked or are you still able to check that? So I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're referring to. Fort Knox. Oh, Fort Knox. Oh, yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's up to the president, of course.

But I think it would be. I think it would be awesome to live stream Fort Knox, you know, I mean, that would be really fun. And, and after all, it it, it is actually the gold of the American people. So the American people should, it seems to me, have a right to see their gold. You know, hopefully it looks really cool, you know, open the doors. Like, is it there? Like, is that really gold? Let's check, you know, so maybe it'll be really, really interesting. I'm I'm all for it.

The president says he's he's interested in doing it, So hopefully that happens. So. All right. Good evening, Mr. Musk. How are you? Good. How's it going? Good. Good. My name is Vito Gabriel. I'm 18 years old. This is my first election that I'll be voting in. So great. Very exciting. Oh, actually, that that reminds me. So it it is actually possible to both register to vote on Tuesday.

If someone has not registered to vote, they can register to vote in Wisconsin and they can vote same day. So even if somebody's not a registered voter, you can do it everything on on Tuesday. So big back story. When I was younger, 8 years old to be exact, my father put me to work in my family's restaurant and it led me to want to start my own business and to be successful just like you. And in my opinion, you're one of the most successful businessmen

to ever live. And So what advice would you give to young entrepreneurs who want to start their own businesses and give back to this great country? Well, sure. Well, it is, it is very, very hard to start a business and have it succeed. You know, it's, it is true that most businesses that start do

not succeed. So I mean, I, I guess I'd really just say, you know, if, if, if there's a product or service that you think is really needed, then you, you go out and you, you, you make that product or you produce that service off of that service and, and try to be as useful as possible.

Really, you know, this, it's, it's like whether you know, it's, it's a great restaurant or store or a technology company or whatever the case may be, it's really just like, are you doing things that are useful to your fellow human beings? And, you know, if, if you are, then I think the company will be successful. So that's, that's, that's really what it comes down to is, is just being, being useful. Like people ask me like, what's the top advice?

I'm like, try to be useful. It's actually very difficult to be useful, you know, but, you know, I have a lot of admiration for anyone who just does an honest day's work, you know, making products or, or producing services for their fellow human beings. That's what a company is, you know, that's, that's it. So, but it but it, it is hard. I mean, I mean, totally, frankly like that.

I generally said if, if somebody needs encouragement to start a company, I would recommend not and started not starting a company, it's, it's, it's a, it's very difficult. Like, you know, if you look at, say the automotive industry, the only two American car companies that have not gone bankrupt are Tesla and Ford. So it's a, it's a bit, it's a big cemetery is what I'm saying. So that's a tough one. You know, very, very top industry.

And there were really no, like commercial rocket companies that were successful before SpaceX. It's, it's generally very difficult to make the value of the output exceed the cost of the input. And that's, that's really what defines a successful business. And, and, and profit is really the difference between the value of the output and the cost of the input, that, that's what profit is. So, but it's, it's like shockingly hard to make the output more valuable than the input.

That's what I've found. Yeah. So. All right. Hi, Elon. Thank you so much for being here. Would you agree with me that the economic illiteracy in this country is staggering, that people don't understand how close we are? I would say that that is true to going over the fiscal Cliff. Yeah. Right, yes, most people actually, I think most people, well, I think a lot of people don't know what a national debt is. Like how did this national debt come about?

And, and how come there's all this money that somehow we owe it, but we didn't sign up to be to owing this money. But there's, you know, it's over $30 trillion of, of national debt and that, that doesn't count future obligations. So, and, and that that's just doesn't count state and state and local debt. So it's, it's a lot of basically, it's a lot of money that the government has signed

everyone in America up for. And yeah, so, so there's if, if we, if we don't do something about it, then eventually there won't be any, any money for anything. We'll just be paying interest. You know, a company, sorry, I should say a country is much like a person. It's just, it's just bigger. A country is a collection of people. But just like a person can go bankrupt, a country collectively can also go de facto bankrupt, essentially by diluting the currency to where it's

worthless. And that's, that's where we're headed unless we are, you know, to take immediate and dramatic action with respect to government spending. That's we're we're, we're in deep trouble, basically. You've seen this in places like Venezuela. Yeah, exactly. So in in a lot of countries where with it's, I think things have gone to hell in a handbasket. And it's like, we just need to not do that, you know. So if if you know, if the ship of America sinks, we all sink with it.

You know, this is something that I try to tell people in in the sort of commercial sector that like, you're not going to your company is not going to make it if the ship of America sinks. So we're all going to like, you know, work together here to make sure it does not. Yeah, Antonio, feel free to ad Lib as you wish me. This is the only place left to go. That's great.

Right, exactly. I don't think we can run off to some other country and be OK. It's is America, you know, I I will die in America. I'm not going anywhere. I I will too, yeah. I mean, I might go to Mars, but that will be part of America. Yeah.

Hi, Elan. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to be here today with us in Green Bay, WI. Yeah, I just wanted to say that Dozier's findings demonstrate to the American people that the government clearly does not care about our hard earned tax dollars. I've I'm only 26, but I can imagine it's frustrating for people who have worked their entire lives to see their tax dollars going to fraud, waste and abuse. And you alone have contributed

so much money to our government. Yes, via taxes. So thank you. You're welcome. But I'm sorry that your money is not being spent very well. I you've clearly shown your leadership and team is capable of transforming our government into something better than what we see today. I just want to say I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering, but we know that Doge has found quite a bit of money and we would like to see some of that returned to the American people on.

Do you have any information on when DOGE checks would be written or sent out? Sure. Well, I guess we we need to be successful at scale. We've made a lot of progress, but there's still a tremendous amount of work to do effectively by as government spending is made more efficient and spending is reduced, the the tax by inflation is reduced. So one way or another, you, you will effectively be better off if resources in the United

States are not wasted. So, and it's, it's, it's, it's a, you know, somewhat up to the Congress and, and maybe the president to, you know, as to whether specific checks are cut. But, but whether a check is cut or not, if you, if you reduce wasteful spending, the, the economy is going to be better off. There will be people will do more useful jobs than before. The total output of goods and services will increase and then the average standard of living will increase. So that that's yeah.

I think the most important lesson in economics is simply common sense that the the more people in a country that are engaged in producing useful products and services, the better off that country will be. Like you could you could run the sort of thought experiment to say in the limit, if we moved everyone in the car industry into the DMV, there would be no cars, but there would be a lot of regulators.

So then you say, well, OK, well then how many people should be in the government versus not government? And generally, I think you want to want to minimize the number of people in government. It's this little, you know, be a lot of people in government, but you want to keep that to a minimum and move people from low to negative productivity roles to high productivity roles in the private sector.

Yeah. OK. Hey, Elon, So the first time I heard about population collapse, I think first from you on Joe Rogan. I grew up in the generation where it was very overpopulation, global warming. A lot of people don't want to have kids. My wife and I just had our first. She's a year. Congratulations. Hi, John. Thank you. And I'm finding out very quickly a lot of these things I was told about having kids, losing personal freedom. It's well worth it.

I mean, I would recommend to everybody, as I'm sure you wouldn't. Absolutely. I mean, I've been banging the baby drum for ages. Yes. So my question to you is, what's the most surprising and fulfilling thing you've learned from your kids, especially? We've seen you around X all the time with Trump. So what's your most fulfilling thing you've learned from having kids? Yeah. X is. X is in the back there. He. You know, So hopefully he's watching this.

Hopefully. Yeah. I think, you know, I think nothing makes you happier than kids really is, is what is the truth of it. So, you know, kids are my greatest host of happiness and I really encourage as as Tony knows, I've encouraged all my friends and everyone to have kids. It, it is, it is concerning, you know, the, the United States has been below replacement rate. The birth rate in the United States has been below replacement rate since roughly when I was born, around 197071 thereabouts.

And I think last year was the lowest birth rate on record. It was very, it was very low. And then we're seeing this trend in almost every country on earth. This is, this is worrying because it's like, well, you know, if something doesn't happen, you know, humanity is

going to disappear. So it's, I think very important to have kids like it's, it's, you know, it's, it'll kids will make you very happy And, and there's, but there's also like we got to keep humanity going here, you know, no, no humans, no humanity. It's. Elon practice what he preaches too, by the way. He's having lots of kids. Sorry. You practice what you preach, and yeah, for sure. And he tells all his friends to do it, too. I can tell you that for sure for sure.

Yeah, So, All right. Hi. Thanks for coming. My name is Adam. I'm a postal worker. I'm wondering if you could give some insight into some of the reforms or changes that DOGE might be looking at for the Postal Service. Well, actually may perhaps I can ask you what, what what should DOGE be doing with respect to the Postal Service? I'll write you a letter. OK. OK. I I suspect you've seen that things are not entirely perfect in the Postal Service, yes.

So I mean, obviously there's it's, it's, you know, delivering mail and packages is very important. You know, there's reason for why the Postal Service was created, but and I haven't really had a chance to look at the Postal Service yet, but OK, I. Have a little detail on the analysis you want? Do you do a little bit?

OK? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that I want to be very general here, but there is this thing about, you know, you could tell us like there's a thing about large volume users, Postal Service versus small, small volume users, right. So like some company please I've. Heard of that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you'd probably see it, right? Like you see there's some companies in the world that use Postal Service a lot and pay the same rate as everybody in this

room that uses a little bit. Does that seem fair to you when you see it on the front line? I can't really say. Well, he can't say because he works there, you know. OK, doesn't seem fair to me. I don't work there. So I mean, there, there are quite, there's a bunch of questions about this people are asking that I think are interesting analysis. And when you look at the source of truth and the data and you make that transparent, I think it's going to be obvious what the right answers are.

Yeah, it it seems like some companies are not being charged the right amount for package delivery and there's probably more administrative overhead than there should be. Would be some safe guesses I suspect. Those are good guesses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good guesses. All right, Yeah. Elon, how are you? Yo, good. Hey, how's it going? It's Adam, your #1 reply guy on X. Hey, with Scott Presser. It's good to finally beat in person. Cool. So I'm glad you like a lot of my

stuff. Yeah. Constantly replying to my stuff, liking my stuff. And I love to create material because I'm a former Democrat myself, just like you. Yeah. And I want to help bring over moderate voters from the Democrat Party who are disenfranchised. Yeah. And I'd love to be able to create more content to help you out to help us win more elections, to win the midterms for 2028 and on. Sounds good. Would I be able to get a follow up from your main because you followed me from your old cyber

gamer. Oh, I did OK yeah, at this point I got I I yeah, sure I'll I'll do that. Sure. I mean, it's, it's right now like I used to only follow maybe, you know, a few 100 accounts, which it was possible to read a lot, most of what they posted, but now I think I follow like 1100 accounts, which makes it impossible. So, so like, it's just like I can only see a few things that people post at random

essentially. So yeah, but I'm, I'm trying to digest as much information as my human brain can manage. So, but yeah, thank you for for your engagement and just, you know, in in general, like try to report on what's really happening. Is, is, is great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Moss, thank you so much for being here and bringing attention to what's going on with our Supreme Court here.

It's very important. And I think it would have gotten no attention, not even half of what it's getting now if you hadn't stepped in for good or bad. Yeah. Negative press and good press. We think exactly the, the, it totally, I mean, obviously for us, any kind of special election is going to get a fraction, small fraction of the, the attention of a say, a presidential election. And and then, you know, normally a, an election for a judge would not be that big of a deal.

It just so happens that this, in this case, it could decide the control of the US House of Representatives, which is a yeah, a huge deal. Yeah. Yeah. My personal experience with Judge Crawford, I am a family that she moved a pedophile right next to our what? Really. Yeah, it is a true story the in the ads that you're hearing from. Mr. Schimmel, I am one of the homeowners that had to live next to him for many years, unaware.

So the letter that I wrote to her, I'm sure played into what we are experiencing now in family court family. We're veterans, 20 years. It just was not good for him. It was not good for me. And we're trying to work through our family court situation. But what we're realizing is the two strategies that they use are indoctrination or intimidation.

And if you step up and say we're practicing Catholic family, the result is her band of Mary Rogue judges and the court affiliates and the commissioners will flood the family court, have flooded

the family court system. So I guess my question would be, regardless of what happens with this very important vote, let's not forget what's happening in the family court system in Dane County, Wisconsin, that's being flooded with these rogue judges and affiliates and commissioners who then, if you don't subscribe to what they're saying, they will just wipe out your ability to raise your family or proceed with your family in a way that

you feel your culture dictates, your religion dictates your your financial background dictates. It has gone completely bananas and I'm wondering what you can do to keep the light shine on our court system in Dane County. It does have lasting effect on families and it will breed out our ability to raise our families in the spirit in which we feel is most healthy for our our young, our children and and the sanctity of our family.

Absolutely. I think that's fundamental to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which is the foundation of America, that you know, that, that you, you should have control over your family, not the state. The state should not have control over your family. It's insane that people would think that so. We've had friends have to escape California because of this.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's literally had to leave because the state tried to dictate their kids, because they're imposing the state's values on the kids and they literally had to leave overnight. More than one friend we've had the story. Really.

Really. Yeah, I know there's a thing a change to law in California where if the teacher is determined that it's in the kids interest, like like if you don't respect like, you know, I don't know, 10 year olds pronouns or something, the the the state can take your kid in California. So it's, it's insane, you know, it's, it's it's state, state

forced indoctrination. And if you, if you don't match their, you know, whatever the, the, the state wants, then they can take your kid in California. It's a big deal. Yeah, exactly. It says. So it should just be, you know, family should have control over their own circumstances and it should not be the government that decides what how your children should be raised. Hey, Lynn, my name is Josh. There's a lot of questions.

I see there is. We were going to answer everything at this point, but I'm sorry. Hey, Eric, please go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. Thank you for taking the questions. A lot of people I agree. So I just I was wondering, I've seen I noticed that there was another a second Mechzilla being built at the star base. Are we going to be go for launch for the Artemis mission coming up? I mean, that's a very, very sort of space question.

So there's there, there are, there are, there are two towers in South Texas and, and then two and, and there were planned to build 2 towers at the Cape in Florida and then probably some, some more elsewhere in the future. But there'll be, there'll be twin, twin towers at the Cape and twin towers in South Texas Star base. All right. Hey, Eli, good to meet you. Thank you for everything you're doing for the country and the world. Thank you.

I I have two questions. They asked me to keep it short. Sure. When when do you envision solving blindness and bringing that to the masses where it'll be for everyone? And the other is, is robo Taxi on schedule? Yeah, well, there's certainly a wide range of questions tonight. The yes. So with for, for neural link, we we've actually had neural link has had in monkeys a working, you know device we call blind site where it's been working well and monkeys are healthy for

for a few years now. And we're hoping later this year to do our first device implant for human enabling someone who is completely blind to see. It's going to be low res at first, like Atari graphics, you know, So I want to set expectations appropriately. So it'll, it'll start off with like like very low res. But then over time, I think eventually the implant would enable vision that is like superhuman. So that would be that would be pretty cool. And then, yeah, I think so.

Currently on track to do unsupervised full self driving in Austin in June. So I, I, I think we're probably will, we'll take maybe four more questions. So just two from that side and two from that side, and then we'll call it a night. So go ahead. Oh, thank you so much. First of all, you are beyond absolutely legendary and an absolute true hero. So thank you so much for everything you're doing, achieving, accomplishing. You've done so many impossibles. It is astonishing. Thank you.

My name is Brian Wright, and I've been filming from last year all the way into this year, a docu series on finding peace. And during this election year, the episode was how many lines do we actually need to cross in order to be able to find peace? And I wanted to ask you, where do you feel like we are in this way, this divide? Are we so far divided as to where there's no coming back to the middle or where do you see

us being? Yeah, we should restore the Smith might act so that we, the government cannot spy or issue propaganda to the people. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I kind of thought that we're headed in a good direction for a while there and then and then the last, you know, month or so, they've been these like, like crazy violent things happening against Tesla and, and protesting me and whatnot.

And I'm like, this is just nuts, you know, and, and, and, you know, a lot of people sort of parading signs around saying that, you know, that President Trump and you almost should die type of thing. And I'm like, this is really nuts, you know, But I think the, the real issue is like, like who's organizing and funding that? Like the, the, the same people that organized and funded the, you know, the, the infiltrators, you know who the Heckler is

earlier tonight. So it's, it's, it's whoever they are, you know, and I guess we know some of their names, but it's really yeah, yeah. Saw us and a bunch of others. I'm not sure really what I sometimes I wonder what is their goal? Like what, what's what's their aim? You know, I guess is it communism, I guess is a part of it or just I don't know. Sometimes I want to like, have they thought through what they're if they'd say they got their goal, what then what you

know, so I don't know. I'm hopeful that things calm down, that there's, you know, we gauge that, that people engage in like dialogue, but not not violence. And that, you know, if for those who, who do push violence and destruction of property and intimidation, obviously that they, they need to face legal consequences for that. So and, and, and the president has has said that, you know,

that that needs to happen. Obviously, if people are pushing violence and destruction of property, that that is against the law and and they, they need to face the consequences of that. So thank you. Yeah, Thank you, Elon. I constantly hear that the DOGE efforts are going to do things like take away Social Security payments and reduce other government payments like that. You've touched on it tonight, but can you stay to stay to you've discussed that length over the last few months.

You talk, talk again about how the DOGE efforts are actually going to affect things like the payments and other programs like that. Yeah, I guess it would be helpful because so I just stated as crisply and clearly as possible that DOGE will, will absolutely ensure that people get their Social Security, make sure they get their Social Security, make sure they get their Medicaid, and will not be cutting any legitimate payments whatsoever. Crystal clear. I'll just add to this.

I, I've, I've been there working there and I spent about the first 3 or 4 weeks of my time in Woodlands actually working in such administration. 100% when you're saying is true, nothing has happened on the ground that would impact the level of payments going to people that legitimately are owed those payments, period. A lot is going to happen to people that are stealing from the system. Yeah, they're not getting the payments. And you know who's screaming? They are because they're

committing fraud. And we should take that away from them because they're stealing from all of us in this room and our parents, and they're going to scream loud and it's going to get louder. But it would but thank you, thank you for asking that question because it, it, you know, it, it is something that as obvious to this as it's, it's, it's a, it's a great question because we just need to

be very crisp and clear. Those will make sure you get your Social Security. Those will make sure you get your Medicaid. There will be no cuts to legitimate payments whatsoever. I'd like to go last, if it's OK with the other gentlemen. Would you like to go, Sir, please go. Thank you. Mr. Musk, thank you so much for coming to Wisconsin. I just want to thank you for calling out bad ideas on X. You do that like every 30 minutes. And if I don't see something, I'm like, wow, you alone, OK.

And we all know that ideas of consequences and bad ideas have victims. And thank you for speaking up for victims. And a few nights ago when you spoke with Bret Baier, when you're being interviewed and he asks you what keeps you up at night? And like that other question you answered and you paused and it was depopulation. And I was waiting for you to say like, oh, the death threats against my life or the national debt or the depopulation. Yeah, depopulation is a really

big deal. It's not on people's radar. Why is that? Well, I think, I think we we haven't yet evolved to deal with depopulation. You know, it's, it's, I guess it, it's something we better evolve to deal with or, or we're going to disappear. And, and once the depopulation roll starts rolling, you know, it seems to gather up speed. I mean, you can look at sort of cases like Korea and Japan, which are, you know, much further ahead or behind, depending on how you look at it.

But that like the population decline there is much worse. Japan is an absolute publication population decline, so they're losing about, I think roughly a million people a year of population, and that's going to accelerate. Korea is has only a third replacement rate, which means that in three generations the country will be 3 or 4% of its current size. Like basically all that'll be left is a small portion of the capital city.

So, and I keep waiting for the birth rate to turn around, but it doesn't, it seems like population collapse accelerates. And that's why I think it's, it's a very serious matter. It's if, if, if you believe in humanity at all, you should care about this a lot. And then you know that that's sort of, but that, you know, that's the sort of long term thing. And, and the, the short term thing is, is remaining is that America needs to be financially

solvent. You know, that's, that's what doge is about, trying to just make sure America's financially solvent. And, and then there's also the risks of AI. So we want to make sure that that AI is is maximally truth seeking and, you know, ideally has sort of values that most Americans would agree with that and that it's a pro human AI that it wants to foster the future of humanity. Yeah, those those are the things that I think about. So thanks, Elon.

My name is Matt Hoss. Like Bonanza Big Hoss. I own and operate a small business here in the Fox Valley, and tomorrow I actually get the honor and the privilege to host Brad Schimmel at our shop, Springetty Landscape. If anyone's in the valley. Sounds good. Come down 4430 tomorrow we're having a shindig to have Brad stop by. He's going to come and give a little speech, get some some. That's what this was about was

Brad's election. So I just wanted to say, in your opinion, what is Brad going to do for small business owners like myself? Well, I think he's going to help get the government of your back. So that's a big deal. You know, for anyone that starts a business, you know, it's like you used to just be able to open a store and not get like a zillion permits and licenses and everything. You know, that's how America, you wanted to make a product.

You just made the product and you didn't have to satisfy a massive body of regulations and get a permission from all sorts of agencies. So hopefully Justice Shimmel is, you know, support that and and helps get the government off your back. All right, so let me finish by saying obviously, yeah, those are the state level will be cool. But just just remember like this, the importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic.

It could it could decide the the future of the House of Representatives. It could decide then the future of America and the future of the world. So it's absolutely critical that you really you need to just drag friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimmel and for voter ID. So thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the Elon Musk Podcast today. I appreciate your support and I appreciate you spending the time here with me today.

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