Politics to Black Prosperity with Joe Biden, Louis Carr, The Budgetnista and Kenneth Montgomery

episode of dead Ass. Hey, I'm Cadem and we're the Ellison. You may know us were posting funny videos without boring and reading each other publicly as a form of therapy. I'm making me derby most days. Oh and one more important thing to mention, we're married. Yes, so we are. We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of them live's most taboo topics, things most folks don't want to talk about through the lens of a millennial married

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information that continues to educate our listeners. We appreciate each and every one of you, guys, and we find it imperative that we promote positive discussions about politics as part of a successful millennial Black marriage. So, as you can tell, we're not in the studio. We're still quarantined or are we in Phase one or two? I don't even know where. I don't it. Just to be safe, we're gonna stay home still with the kids. We have them outside and we're gonna talk to you. We have a special topic

today amidst the current climate in this world. We have two pandemics that we are currently facing right now running concurrently, we have COVID and racism. Yes, racism has been a big talking point for a lot of people in this this current climate, specifically in politics, and we have a special guest with us today. UM Vice President Joe Biden, presidential candidate for his team, requested that we sit down and have a conversation. So we felt the responsibility to

bring that conversation to everyone. And since Kadina and I are both I would say novices when it comes to politics. We felt that it would be responsible both of us. Now, we felt that it would be responsible for us to bring in some people who are way more knowledgeable than us and the three factors in our lives that we think a very important corporate structure, criminal justice, and also financials.

So absolutely, because we felt like if there was going to be an area for change, those are probably some of the biggest areas that we would have to tackle first from the top. So you guys know what's here a dead ass, and we make it a point to try to get you guys as much in information is possible, especially information that's going to help bring forth some empowerment in the black community. That's our community, the community we

love so much. So we thought it was important to have this conversation with Vice President Joe Biden and let's see what do you have to say, you guys, I'm here to learn, I'm here to ask you here your questions and just have a frank talk. Welcome to our home. First and foremost, I'm Cadine Yes, and as you know, i'm Delo. You've done your research, so thank you so much for joining us. Exactly, And we don't have too much of your time, so I'm going to just dive

right in. Um. All right, So we've seen Governors Cuomo and Newsom, for example, be very clear on their stance when it comes to ending the racial divide in this country. Both have publicly agreed and stated that Black Americans are indeed telling the truth about the oppression that exists within all of its institutions. Um, do you echo their sentiments and if you're elected as president, will create an execute and actionable plan for a race reconciliation. Absolutely. Look, I'm

not only echo it. That's how I got involved in public life to begin with. You know, way back when Reagan was president, I got in the shouting match with UH with the Secretary of State over apartheid. I was one of the leaders and trying to stop apartheid in Africa. It's not only here, it's all across the world. It's basic human rights. UM. My point is that's how I got. I got involved in politics that way. I got involve

a pause because of the Civil rights movement. I moved down from an area Grand Pennsylvania where my dad lost his job. We moved a little place called Clemont, Delaware and Delaware, and uh, I didn't know any African America, but I became very deeply involved in the movement because we had the eighth largest black population in the United States America in Delaware, our cities over sixty percent African Americans. So I grew up. That's where I come from, That's

what I did. And so you know, one one of the things that I've observed from the very beginning is that there is just flat, systematic systemic racism and white supremacy, and uh and what we have to do is here, here's the point I want to make to you all. I've observed. I'm a hundred years old, you guys, but here's what I've observed. I thought that you could defeat hate.

I thought that when you know, when I got elected as a twenty nine year old kid running on a platform of civil rights in my state, which was then a very conservative, southern oriented state. We were at border state. We we we couldn't make up my want which side we're gonna fight on the Civil War, Okay, and uh, I end up taking over the Judiciary Committee, I got the Voting Rights Act passed, and you know, a whole range of stuff that I thought, God, we're making progress,

this is over. We're gonna really keep moving. And what I didn't realize it hate only hides, It only hides. There's a constant struggle between the good and the bad in every society and ours as well. And for every game we make, you get this enormous push back. But as Dr King said, the art does bend towards justice. But we gotta keep keep keep pushing it. And so what I think we have to do is I think

we have an opportunity now. And I've spent time with the with the Floyd family, and I'm gonna be seeing them again. And one of the things that I think they believe as well, we have an opportunity now because the incredible racism that still exists in the country has been exposed to people who kind of thought it went away. I kind of thought, I'm not a white supremacist. I don't think that that's not who I am. And all of a sudden, they're seeing in a major American city

a guy having a breath. You know, I can't read. I can't breathe. Jesus God, all I can't breathe. It's a phrase heard around the world. This time around the world, you have foreign leaders like in Germany's saying what's wrong with America? The brutal killing the Ford reminds of the urgency of the work we have to do. You know, we have an open wound. It is an open moon, and none of us can turn away and none of us can be silent. Silence is complicity, and so we

have to grapple with it. But that's the good thing that's happened from this is the as a scab. We can't let the scab heal over the words of a president matter, and this guy continues to fullment. Look what he did in Lafayette Parks and the military. Did you ever think there's everything well that you would see three three, four four star generals, two marine generals come out against the city president, United States America the most of power.

We have a chance. What are some actionable things that we can actually do in place, like as a president is a future president, there are some steps we can take to actually move this forward. First of all, we got to build a stronger and more resilient and inclusive country and a middle class. And this time we got to bring everybody along and that means the African community is constantly left behind. We have to have a comprehensive plan with the ambitions to match the scale of the channels.

Let me give you an idea and my agenda the African America Comunity includes creating creating wealth in the African American community, doubling the funding for small business credits for African Americans from uh to three billion dollars, bringing sixty billion off the sidelines for black owned businesses, because that's what generates things in neighborhoods ensure the first term homebuyers

were behind the eight ball. They get a fifteen thousand dollar tax credit, meaning they'll be able to get any loan they need because they have a down payment for the first home they buy. Investing billions of dollars in affordable housing. Nobody should be in a position where they're paying more than thirty of their income for rent. Protecting and building on on Obamacare, black Americans are still less likely the Way Americans to have health insurance at all

or access to health insurch making it universal. You know, you know from the a eight three million non elderly black Americans gained health insurance. And this guy is trying to wipe it out completely. Invest in students and education, education,

supporting education beyond high school. Tripling the funding which I've been pushing for for now years, seventy billion dollars for HBCUs minority serving organizations because they don't have they they don't have these foundations that are available in these large,

large reservoirs of money. Making sure that any anybody comes from a family that makes less than a DWI grand a year gets free year, four years of free state university college fount out free free, Strengthening the commitment to justice, reforming the criminal justicystem by appointing judges of the bench.

One of the most things going on I known, is paying attention to look why they're called the senators back into session, um Mr McConnell and company to to to get more lousy judges on the bench, that more judges don't think they're basic human rights that are out there that are available to all people. Establishing a task force on prosecutors discretion. But go back and look, go through a flying tooth comb. What did you what what? What charges did you bring against him? How many of those

charges did you bring? Did you bring them against whites as well as blacks. What did you do? There's so many things we can do, and the country is ready to do it. And if I'm able to win an election with a U. S. Senators taken over Democratic senators, this is because the people are with us. The vast majority of people are with us, and we can change things.

But guess what, the fights never over, no matter if we get all this done and root out institutional racism, institutional equities, like for example, we look look at all those not just African American, but single moms out there with no childcare, no childcare were the only industrious country in the world doesn't have childcare made out there without

having paid family lead. What tell are we doing? These are and we're seeing it come to the fore now with so many people dying trying to protect her from COVID. These are the same people that don't have that help. Well well, Vice Vice President Biden, no sorry, no, no, no, I just we've seen an increased number of Americans who have publicly said now that they understand the black outcry.

And we've heard this before, even in two thousand and eight when Barack Obama ran and you ran on his ticket, we've heard all of the same promises, and it was tough for us. A lot of the black community have lost faith in the political system because we've heard these things. If elected president, right for example, if elected president, what would be your plan to help black families move forward financially,

because economic empowerment is important. For example, gentrification in the past and still currently happening right now, Black families are typically forced out of their homes by wealthy investors looking to turn the profit. So even with the plan that you've mentioned, there are a lot of black families who still do not have the economic empowerment to gain access to those resources immediately. What is your plan to help us gain access to those resources immediately so that we're

not caught behind economic justice? The creation of wealth is the most important thing right now that people have to have a chance to be able to fight. You realize the reason I ran for office the first time it ran is the twenty six year old kid come from a family with no money, was to end redlining. And

it's still going on. And so two things. One, no city where there We're gonna change the law that you cannot engage in gentrification in the community unless you get a majority of the people in that community to vote that they're in fact they able to do that. Number one. Number two, that we provide for housing funds to build

up the housing stock in that community. That's right, called for billions of dollars in from HUD to provide for rental housing and direct housing available to be built by people. For too long, we've asked Black Americans to bear the brunt of all of this. And here's the deal. It's not just we're gonna change it. You're not gonna be able to gle in and just wipe out whole communities and gentrify. Number one. Number two, I've called for send

billions of dollars in housing funding. We're not funding housing anymore. HUD doesn't do it anymore. We should be in a position to provide housing, single family housing as well as apartments that are available to be built, and the money made available now to communities that in fact will invest in build those facilities. Now. Now, I've met with a whole bunch of mayors throughout the country. They're ready for it.

They understand what's going on. Lastly, you know, if if you think about it, I know you guys know this If a builder comes along and bills me at home, and you the exact same home, and you and we're divided by a freeway. You're in a black community, I'm in a white community, same exact home. Your home was valued at twenty four less than mine before anybody even

moves into it. If that problem, that's that one problem I heard today that in fact, you would have somewhere on a hundred and twenty billion dollar reduction in the gap between whites and blacks in terms of being able to accumulate wealth. How do most people wh accumulate wealth in their homes, in the vast majority in their homes. That's how they build equity as how to send their kids of school, That's how they send them off to college.

So we've got the fundamentally changed right. For example, if you live in a black neighborhood is successful, both of you are, and you have an autobill and I got the same one. I live in a white neighbor You're gonna charge more for your insurance than I get charged

with no basis for it, none, zero, none. So the things that I want to make sure is that the undervalued home, school, underfunded, justice denied the poverty rates are twice that where there are way to America, black workers disportnately hold low waight jobs without benefits, and we're seeing the worst of the layoffs to the experts predicted the disproportioned number Manaradio businesses won't get any the stimus money

that the Congress explicitly voted to go to them. And automation is going to displace African Americans Latino workers at a higher race, and there are weights anyway. We gotta begin to train people, educate them for the new jobs, and we're not doing I will understand how politics works, and you know, talking points with politics and closing. I just wanted to ask, as a as a mom, because I normally go with my gut, why should we trust you in office? Because I know what pain is like,

I know what losses life. No one's ever said I've said anything that I don't mean. I understand what a lowful of those people losing some of the COVID I got a phone call, I got left to the United States Center. Was twenty nine years old, top of the world, no money, no background, but I was the top of the world. I was down in Washington before I got swarning.

I got a phone call first responder. I'm sorry to tell you, Mr Biden, your wife's dead, your daughter's dead, and your two sons are not like you live or Traylor Broadside. Kill him. My son, Bob Biden, great guy, war hero, Attorney General came home from the war. Ron Stark conspicuous service mountain stage four gleo blastoma cancer, the brand given. Just when he's gonna live, just how many

months he's number. Watched him sit there and die, And I thought to myself, what in God's name would I do if an insurance companies everyone come in and say, I'm sorry, you've outrun your coverage, okay, and dying in peace? What would I do? What would I do if I didn't have the ability to see two? You've got good care, you know. So I promise you. I promise you. The reason I ran in the first place, because that we got to rebuild the backbone of this country this time.

Bring everybody along, everybody, And I promise you, I'm gonna treat all those folks, black, white, Latino. It's after my own family, and I've never acted in any other way. It may not be the most brilliant the most wonderful the licen. But I tell you what no one's ever said. I don't do what I said. What people are hurting, hurting so badly, and we can fix a lot of it. Just it re unite. I mean, you saw all the

crap I got from my start. When I announced, I said, I think in the battle for the soul of this nation. I'll conclude by saying that I hadn't planned on money. Again my God's truth. And when my son died just a couple of days ago in the anniversary after five years, um, I had no intention. But he made me promising that I'd stay engage, not run for president, but I'd stay engage because I've done it my whole life. He was

worried I would just withdraw. And the only way that I found how you can deal with real pain is with purpose. If you have a purpose. And uh, one of the things that I'm committed to do. When I saw those folks walking out of the fields and said, God to my words, abide in Charlottesville carrying those tortures, chanting that anti Semitic pile accompanied by the Clukux plan, the leader of the clan saying this is the reason why we voted for him, Me and Trump. Young woman

got killed protesting approach those folks. The president was asked, what do you think, Mr? President? Nobody said. He said, they're very fine people on both sides. No tresident in American history he's ever said anything that. While not one, not one, it's gotta change words of a president matter. Yes, yeah, spice President. But um, first and foremost, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate you. Um, we will be we will be watching, our children will be watching.

Hopefully this line of communication will stay open um from now through November November, regardless of what happens. But you know, well, we wish you could love Yes, we would love that. We would absolutely love that. Thank you so much. As the question is, my granddaughter is longest my grand I have. I have six grandchildren and my granddaughters I have the first the first four all granddaughters, and one of them is a rising senior. It's the one that talked me

into making sure we have this kind of engagement. She was not earlier, but she had to drop off. She's a rising senior. Kinds of pop pop you gotta do this, pop pop, you gotta get They get it good. You gotta have that generation behind you. Let you know which way to go. The youth is the future. The youth, the youth is definitely gonna change your Your husband and I have something in common. We both absolutely definitely I'll kick in my case intellectually and otherwise both of us.

That that's how you know you went in life right. Well, thank you guys, you so much, Thank you for your time, good luck, all the best to you, and we'll see what happens in November. The road to the White House all the best. So then, as podcast That's Devoid myself would like to thank Vice President Joe Biden for sitting down and chatting with us about his take on what needs to be done and what he's planning to do moving forward if he were to be elected president. Yeah,

it was great. It was great to sit down with Vice President and speak about the state of black culture and also the state of Black America. But I do really feel as if there's going to be a lot more that needs to be done between now and November and even after November, to continue to push forward with all the momentum we have with the current movement. I mean, yes, social media has been an amazing platform for us to

get the information out there. So the videos, the memes, the reposting, um people really just rallying around the cause has been amazing. And social media activism is one thing which is great because we can sit back and we can post, and we can put the information out there. But now that the information is out there, what are we actually going to do with it moving forward to

create the actual tangible change that we all want to see. Absolutely, I mean not enough can be said about social media activism. I mean Will Smith said it the best. He said, racism isn't getting worse, it's just getting filmed. And if it wasn't for everyone out there continuing to post the stories and letting it be seen to the entire world, we would still have to convince people that systematic racism

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Podcasts or your favorite podcast app, and we're back. We're gonna dive right back into our conversation about politics, power and black prosperity with some special guests, some who have already paid a visit to Dead As Podcasts. As far as moving forward, we talked about, you know, different types of activism and Kadina and not have sat down and discussed three ways that we feel as a black community we need to kind of educate ourselves on and and

kind of push the envelope. No, it's true, I mean we thought of three ways, but there are, of course as several different ways that you can do it. Um, but we felt it necessary to kind of reach out to experts in the reflective fields since we are not experts at all, and and one thing we know is what we don't know. So rather than try to sit up here and make it seem as if we are experts, we reached out to three experts in the fields under

standing corporate culture, criminal justice reform, and economic empowerment. I believe in Candem believes that if we can push forward on these three fields, particularly over the summer heading into November, we can use this momentum to push forward as a community. No for sure, so that encompasses so many different things like controlling where our dollar goes. For absolutely, that's going to be discussed here for the future in this episode here, So I mean, I think we should dive right into

I can't. I can't wait for you guys to meet our panelists. We're excited about them. So so joining us now, we have Mr Lewis Carr, President of Media Sales, generating over eight billion dollars in revenue over thirty one years at b ET, also a philanthropist and author. Thank you for being with us today was the car. We also have Kenneth Montgomery, former New York prosecutor turned criminal defense and civil rights attorney A Kenny and again on Dead

as podcast. Tiffany Elite, also known as the Budge at Lisa, an award winning teacher of financial education, motivational speaker, and author. What's that Si? Hey, how y'all doing? We're doing all right? So look we're gonna jump right in because Mr Carr has a heart out. But um, realistically, it's been a lot for the black community over the last uh ten days especially, but you can say four centuries centuries, but um, I think it's time for us to kind of take

this momentum and move forward. So, Mr car my question to you is, um, you've been responsible for pulling in major capital for a huge business. What are some of the action items we as a community can begin to do to build a strong financial infrastructure for our community. Well, well, I think debout number one is to understand the value,

the power, and the influence that they have. You know, we know that the black consumer market is worth about one point for trillion dollars on an annual basis and spent across multiple categories everything from groceries to automobile osh to solve goods, but not that's one portion of it, the overall value, but their influence also, as we say it, be to what black people do today of the world

does tomorrow. And I think this is a classic example if you're seeing their influence on the front lines of this other pandemic called racism. This is one of the first times, probably since the civil rights era, that you've seen black, white, brown, yellow people marching together. And I think it's started months ago when those who are in the culture said, you can't love my culture and hate

my people. So I think understanding their value, understanding and making demands on where they spend their money, whether it's brands or whether it's just individual categories. I think we really need to really focus that we have power. We are not really backing up on our hears and not just beaten and downtrodden sort of consumer market. We have real power and influence and it's just how we use

it and executed in the marketplace. And Kenny, I just want to ask you quickly just to to piggyback off of that. You know, you deal a lot with criminal defense and also civil rights. Um, how can we utilize that power to build some political capital? A lot of people ask me all the time, like, how can we use the money we have to get behind the right politicians? And I really don't have an actionable item for them.

You know, how how can we see it done? And I think I think that requires Unfortunately we've been in the last twenty to thirty years, we've we've been in this sort of u uh hazy position where we're as Mr Carr just stated, we have been able to make money. I think Black people have made money from the time we got off the ships here. That's never been the issue. The issue is our inability to control our echo system amongst a predatory system. And when I mean it gets

no credatory, then people actually using your black body as wealth. Um. And we've we've been enabled unable to do that. And I think part of the reason why we've been able to unable to do that is, you know, uh, we've become a part of the American spectacle to a certain degree. Um. Those those leaders, many of who we know, many who we don't, who've died, who sacrifice in the sixties and

seventies and before UM, they understood organization, they understood grassroots organization. UM. There's a difference between grassroots organization and CNN and showing the protests all across the country because the grassroots organization you don't see. And I think we suffered in in the seventies when this sixties and the seventies, when this country waged the war against that they cointell pro and

all these other programs. They destroyed any semblance of black nationalism, and people are afraid to say that, even black people. And I think we have to begin to get back to grassroots organization through supplemental education. UM. And when I say supplemental education, I think you have to start thinking about different ways of education in this century. How it looks. Look, we're in the pandemic and kids aren't even in school anymore. So we have to really get back to grassroots organization.

That grassroots organization allows you now to have accountability. When you have accountability, you can start nurturing and producing the leadership that you need in politics socially. UM. But when you don't do that, you're stuck with choosing the lesser of two evils. Um. You know, And I think we can do it, but I think it's it's gonna take

a pivot, a really hard pivot. UM. And a really maybe uncomfortable for most of us reflection process about about what's good for us and what's not good for us. But where's that commonality? It's funny you say that, because an Tiffany, I want you to chime in here. Right when you're speaking about creating budgets and creating a plan for yourself financially, right, where does black nationalism fall in

that plan for black families? Because so many people ask me, Hey, Devout, we're in the pandemic and I'm thinking about trying to invest, but how do I make sure I invest in my people and myself not just just investing quote unquote, because they're kind of lost. So one of the things I teach the folks that followed me is that you vote

with your dollar. I can't remember being really young and going to like this corner story that we all used to go to, and I noticed they only followed the black kids, even though we went there all the time. And I went home and I complained to my mom, like, well, every time I go in there, they followed me, but they don't follow my friend Susie, And she said, then

why do you continue to go there? That your dollar is a vote, you're allowing them to say that, Um, we get to treat you this way, and you continue to come here. So I was like, you know what, she's right, So I stopped going and I told a friend of mine, we just stopped going, and before I know, we all stopped going, and that store started to close because they could no longer. It was mostly us that was going there, and they couldn't. They couldn't sustain. It

was like one of these little corner stores. They couldn't sustain without our dollar. So imagine, if you know, if we were more intentional with that, and so even just on some of the smaller level. So I have am a black running business. I hired largely black women, and we serve black women, and I'm really intentional, but not just the women that we serve, teaching them financial education,

but internally as well. Right, So the women who work for me, not only do I pay them well, I also have financial educators come in folks to teach them how to invest, Folks, to teach them what it looks like to set aside for retirement, folks, to teach them. We just had a class the other day to teach them how do you set up your LLC. How can you properly become an independent contractor that's what you desire?

How do you get the p P P loan? We had that kind of internal training, and I think that comes down to it's almost like we have to have more home training when it comes to financial education. See, that's that's what And and I know, Mr Carl, you gotta run, so I want to let you close out on this topic before you bounce. But building an infrastructure.

I know you've worked in the corporate space for so many years, but it's been hard for black people to penetrate corporate culture because there's not many of us there. How can we begin to use this voice now in this momentum to push towards changing corporate culture so we can have more voice, more of a voice. Use so many businesses now I've seen when they're asked to kind of the pull up and show us who's in your

corporate leadership positions? There are none of us if not baby, So where can I think that's an area that we must demand change and we must demand it at the board seat level that they have to make that board more diverse. Uh, And we can't get caught up in the world be patient, uh, because as I said, we've been patient for several hundred years. So we know we

have to have more people on the board. We have to have more people in leadership at corporations who look like us, who really want to uh make a change in the industry. If you look at my organization, I have the most diverse team in the entire media industry, diverse and gender, diverse in color. Uh. And that is not by accident. That was by plan because it is good for business. It gives you access in places that you would normally not get. It also gives you the

diversity of thought. I mean, when we sit around, we have a lot of debates on should we do this, and why we shouldn't do that, and what else we should do. So I think we have to as part of the solutions, this is one of them. We have to have more people who look like us in corporate leadership and on corporate boards. And we have to demand it. No more saying can you do it please? We have

to demand it. And that's why I'm so inspired. I'm so energized by the young people that I see as a central front line workers in this pandemic on racism. So we who are in corporate America, as I sent out a letter the other night, we have to do our part. We can't just let people march and be sprayed and everything else and beat. We have to do our part in the corporate boardrooms and in the corporate office is to close the deal for them because we

have the access, we have the influence. They see that on the news, but we have we sit down with meetings and everything else with them, so we have a real obligation. I'm excited about it. I'm energized about it, and as I said, I'm not gonna let them down if it's the last thing I do. Mr car first of all, thank you so much for your time. We know you have someone we appreciate you. You you just you. You kind of snuck us in right in between me

and so we thank you so much. Man. I'm going to continue to reach out to you for for more advice. I'm gonna help. I appreciate your brother and thank you guys. Anything you need me to do, I'm on board and I appreciate your guys. Tiffany really quick they got to see Mr Carr at the Blueprint men something a great area in a great space for black men to get together. I know we had a great time. That's Ryan and Kenny has the Brooklyn combine. It will be a dope

opportunity to get us. We all need to get together, Yes, sir, all right, thank you the car, take care left to the wife. All Kenny, I want to throw to you because Mr Carr said something that was so It was something you said to me years ago when we were talking about sports, right, and you said that everyone is so focused on getting that kid to be the next Michael Jordan, the next Lebron James. Right, but we're not grooming any politicians. We're not grooming any judges, we're not

grooming any attorneys. So we don't have the ability to take up that space. Like Mr Carr says, we need more people in corporate structure, but we're not grooming our kids and take up those places. Can you talk a little bit about how we can you know what, and and think about it like every day, right, we get up, we get tweets, we get um social media, post, Facebook, Instagram, you name it about what the far right has said,

what the far left has said. From uh, where do you get where the base to get what the black voice says, the black voices that we hear, and not to knock anyone. They're usually pivoting from whiteness on either side. So when when they get in those positions of political power, whether it's in the corporate world, whether it's in a nonprofit world, or it's in the philanthropy world, whatever those worlds are, that helped keep keeps this ecosystem going there

informed by that our children. We live in a society or community where we've we've been um targeted so much and you know, put in such a difficult position that success is usual league. You know, I gotta get out the hood, I gotta get away, never to come back. So we're not cultivating or nurturing the mindset, the ideology. We're not like, we don't need uh heroes, we don't need martyrs. We we can grow money and understand economics. But what I think we need more importantly is ideology

and that audeology has to emanate. You would like it to emanate from the home, but sometimes the home is not there to do it. So what's the next step the community? So those who have the resources in the community, the retired financial people, the retired teachers, the retired um politician, whoever, they need to begin coming together and and and forming a a commitment and a community to nurture and train

through education and knowledge that hopefully leads to wisdom. So now you have an eighteen year old kid, when when so now our teenag used the twelve and thirteen and they they know the issues are right. When you study the civil rights era, you know, it's funny because we look at those images of children, I mean people being

hosed and bitten and beaten by police. The conversation that we don't have in this country is, you know many of those people, they weren't adults, They were kids, twelve, fifteen, seventeen, nineteen, and they drove it. Um, we we get stuck on the leaders, but they drove it. And he always the teams, the kids always seem to be the one to put their bodies on the loss. And they don't have the fear. They don't have the fear. So we we as a community, it's not too late. We have to stop. You know,

we're not organizing enough. We're not you know, we're organized enough. We're having this conversation right now. Um, those who are in that position need to create a a a hub and UM share information, have accountability because one thing, and I think you know, um, Mr Carr and and you know you guys may be able to spread this a little bit more than me. Capitalism is at its advanced stage in America. UM, It's it's not as sexy in

America as it used to be. It's a little bit more sexy in China and other places of the world right now. If we are suffering because of institutional and systemic racism, not just UM socially, politically and economically, we're also suffering health that this pandemic has shown that UM as advanced and the economic fallout of this we haven't seen yet. You're gonna talk about that definitely could speak

way more than I can. But we're gonna suffer. So our ideas of how we look at economics, how we look at advanced advancing in this society has to be different. It has to be different, you know. And that's something us now too, that this is gonna be the worst in the depression and what we're seeing financially economically across the country to world, UM, how are you using your platform to prepare people for this? Because I know a lot of you know, people in general, but especially our

black community. We want to know how we're gonna be able to take advantage of this or how we can maybe some people climb out of this hole that they're now in. Um So, how are you speaking to um the masses about this recovery that's gonna have to happen. So it's been a little deceptive because the market keeps rallying and folks are getting excited, and I see so many black folks getting the side that I'm like, but says, do you do you have do you have a home

that you own, do you have retirement? You're excited about the points, and are you even invested in the stock market? You're you're cheering from the silence, but you're not really playing the game. And that's what I find with our community, that we're not really actually in the game. We don't have the basic fundamentals. So one of the things that I so, I used to actually be a school teacher in northern New Jersey, one of the black cities in

the country. I still here live here in NewYork, So it was it was interesting, um um, what was said earlier about that folks don't want to stay here after they've gotten successful. They want to lead the hood, you know. But I was like, no, I was really adamant that my husband was born raised here. Um. They've since turned out a project that he grew up in. But I'm like, no,

I want to live here in Newark. I taught here in NewYork, I was born here in Newark, um, and I want folks to see me at the local you know, um grocery store. So one of the three things that I do is what I used to even do when I used to be a preschool teacher here, which is we need knowledge, access, and community. Those are the three key tools that I use to activate whatever change and transformation I want to make um in the financial lives of the people that I served. So knowledge, when we

know better, we do better. So as I learned, I know that one of my superpowers is education. I know how to teach. I've been teaching for twenty years now, ten years in the actual classroom. I am a good teacher. If I learned a thing, I can teach a thing, and then I can teach you to then teach a thing. So knowledge is critical and pair our memory, access This is where we struggle because access typically comes through a person. There are some doors that can only be open from

the other side. There is no door knock. Someone has opened the door and literally pull you in. And so very very rarely do we have access on the other side. So when you get in, it's so important to teach folks that when you do get in that room, when you do get to sit on that table, to come open the door, kick your foot open and and and bring folks in with you. And so one of the things I do is that can reach out to other

black financial educators. We have a a number of communities that we're a part of online and I'm always tapping into them to continue to teach our community, Like, oh, hey till you teach docs, can you teach this Wednesday? Wednesday? Hey ask you teach financial mindset? Can you teach on Thursday? Hey learticulately you teach credit? Can you teach this this Friday?

And And so that access is what I'm always trying to provide and finding higher and deeper levels of educators that I can I can tap into to bring that access to this community and community I am. My parents were born and raised in Nigeria, and I've seen firsthand over and over and over again that we were best in the community. We as in you know, folks of African descent. This is where this is from where we've come.

I remember the first time I went to Nigeria and I met someone in the village and they were like, you know, they told me their name and it was their last name was Eliche. I was like, oh, Stap, my last name is Leiche. Then the second person, you know, I'm I'm check, oh my lad place is my dad's like Tiffany. Everyone's last name is Eliza. And I'm like what how was that? He was like, that's how a village is set up, that this is your family's family family.

And I thought wow. And so they collectively come together to live together, to work together, to to rise up together. And we've come from that tradition that we work best in community. So what I do here is I've created a community. It's about we're almost a million strong and we work collectively on our finances together. Because you might be a single I'm not a single mom, so I might not get it, but someone in that group is and she can walk you through. You might have five kids.

I don't have five kids, but someone in that group is and she can walk you through. So I pump in the knowledge, I pump in that access, and that community helps to take care of each other. And so that's what I've been I've been really trying to struggle with what do I do so when things like this happened, I feel like you're supposed to lean into your gifts and talents, and I know that mine is really um

making connections and and teaching. So I'm even now just working on a ten step foundational financial foundational plan that we can all follow, like starting with budget, ending with the state planning, and not making a complicated not making it so overwhelming because we lack that foundation. You know, I think I was. It was like a Forbes article that said the African American community in the United States by by Tift will be bankrupt. That's like crazy and disheartening.

So how how do you prevent that there's something because of systemic resaid, some racism that are not quite in our control? Like I just got my house a praise and it was a praise twenty hollars lower than I know it should have been. I turned around all the black pictures in the house. I knew already because I know that's just how it goes. And it was quarantine because I would say I had in my mind, I'm gonna ask my white grin Catherine to come and be

me while I'm not here. Who I'm about to do that that you have to do that your white friend will show your house as you. But because it's quarantine, I wasn't able to do so. And I was pissed because I know I didn't get the value of my home. Now that sounds like a personal problem, it's not. Because if my home is the value by whether because I'm black, are live in a black neighborhood, then that is that is the that like whole, ownership is the cornerstone for wealth.

So if I've lost twenty of my wealth, then I can pass on twenty percent less to my stepdaughter Alyssa. And then imagine, just like in this community alone, how much less wealth this black community I live in has compared to the town next over. And so we we are bleeding wealth because of these because of systemic racism. So I have a quick question, Tiffany, though, because this is the question I always get from people if we know that that's the fight, and we know that this

is gonna happen, what's the point of voting. What's the point of taking part in politics if it's so rigged against us? And to be honest, I don't even have an answer or a lot of these these questions, and especially financially, you know, we when we spoke to Mr Carl two days ago, he said the same thing about

house appraise was an insurance. And even when we spoke to Vice President Biden, he said verbatim, he knows that as an older white man that if I go get the same house built as he gets built in a different area because I live somewhere different, my house is gonna be a praise lower, my insurance is gonna be higher, and it's gonna be a lot more different. Pass on wealth. How do we play a role in politics to help finances?

That's what people want to know. Because it's it's a political season now between now in November, all we're gonna do is here speech after speech after speech, and people are either like I don't care, so I'm not gonna vote, or they're just like I'm lost, so you know, I don't I don't know els, how do we approach that from a financial stamp. I think first of all, its creating, Like what is it that we want? You know, what specifically,

what specific um tennants do we want? You know, we want to be treated fairly as it relates to our homes, right, we want to be under we don't want to be over police. What does that look like? And how do we let a politician know that if if you don't adhere to this, then you won't be voted in right.

So so for example, if I brand sometimes want to work with their branding shot to me the other day and I just know that their their CEO, Jeff said that he was giving all this money to the current inhabitant of the White House, and you're reaching out to me. Black asked that y'all talk about that as Black asked me part of some like I was like, no, you know, you're not gonna get access to my community, you know,

with your racist ideals. And so one of the things I do is I I block you know what things are not in alignment. So if we could be clear about you know, this is what's unfair and this is what we're needing, then like even voting with your dollars, like I have so now switched from the bank bank that I was a part of, and now I bank my business. I have five businesses, one of them when when, which is eight figures a year, we're back. We banked with a black bank now, So it's those shifting your

funds like that, you know what I mean? Because you could talk about it, but we gotta be about it, like, Okay, I'm banking with this black business. Okay, you know what. I'm actually gonna go to the cleaners, the black cleaners down the street. Okay, you know what I'm actually going to work with. Like I look at my team, I'm

always asking myself, are we black enough? Right? And so it's like ninety fopercent black women, And I'm just like, okay, I'm they know already when I'm looking for someone because most of the women on my team are corporate refugees. They have been mistreated by corporate America and they fled and so now they work here. So I'm always looking for ways, even the smallest and the biggest ways of where I could put my money or my black ass mouth is. So that's what we need to do. So

it's like you say, a thing. But it's your money in the alignment with that, are you using it to vote for the person that it's telling you this is what they're going to do, And if they don't, are you voting them out when they're when they're not? So so, Kenny, it makes perfect sense if we if we put our money where I'm out is, we can gain political capital. Right. But then when it comes to asking, like Tiffany said,

you have to ask for what you want. And everyone says this buzzword criminal justice reform, but no one has yet to explain exactly what criminal justice reform looks like. And can a president change criminal justice reform on his own? Because I'm not gonna lie, I've been guilty myself. I'm saying we had eight years of a black president and the criminal justice system doesn't look any better. And I know a part of that has to do with the fact that black people put their hands up and said,

we got a black president. We didn't go out and vote, We didn't go out vote for local judges, we didn't vote for Congress. What can we do to help people better understand the criminal justice system and how we can change it? Um? The criminal justice system is one of

the stalwarts to make sure racism persists. Um, the financial system is one of the vanguards to make sure racism exists, the housing market, but the criminal justice system, and not just criminal justice, the legal system, because it's also civil

things that happened in court concerning consumerism versus corporations. Most of these judges choose the corporation over the consumer, as they do the government over the defendant of the culture of American jurisprudence, which is baked based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence law and for people, if you want to have a really strong no chaser understanding of American society as it comes to criminal justice and the rights of black people, there's no better decision for anyone to have their children

read at the earliest possible age where they can comprehend is Dread v. Scott. Where um the the decisions did the Dress good decision, the Taney's decision said that a black person has no rights that a white man has to respect for the most part, and that is one of the most important decisions. So criminal justice and the age, this digital age that we live in where everything is digitized,

the racism is digitized. The misogyny is digitized. You name, it is digitized, and we have brands in this marketing. We forget America is historically violent, but it's also historically masterful at propaganda. Um. Criminal justice reform is a cliche.

It means absolutely nothing, Um, because you had, as you just mentioned, you had Obama coming to the White House and people put to their thinking caps off through the ship out of the window because they thought that his blackness transcended the position that he was in, which was he was the now head of the American empire, right, and they stopped thinking. He put and I've been in front of several of these federal judges. He put a bunch of judges on that bench and they're no different

than the judges that Bush put on that pitch. Um. Criminal justice reform is a cliche that in my opinion, whiteness figured out, Wow, this criminal justice thing is a problem. You know, we are only five percent of the world's population, but we incarceerate of the world's prison population, and the majority of that or black and brown people. We're constantly removing black men from their community, marginalizing them, education system, all the underlying risk factors that would create the pathway

to prison. We've done nothing about except worse than though. You know, really I live in New York. New York is still one of the most segregated school educations in the country. This is after, you know, watching Um calif Browers documentary. I had never seen it and I didn't even know, you're honest, So I was like that I saw Kenny on it and the way I sobbed for that young man and here and you know what's messed up? Um, that is one of a million. I was just about

to say, how many kids are you? And I know million? How do you? And you? And I know? And Broke has gone through that. So the criminal and and remember what America has done, it's commodified black dysfunction and pain through entertainment and music. So we have that element with criminal justice. So what we have to do. Criminal justice to me is a cliche. It's it's a way for people to line in your pockets. Now, it's a great

thing to to get people riled up and going. But the work that needs to be done to pull away from that system, it has to happen in our neighborhoods, Newark, Compton, Brownsville, and we have to start putting a fence around our children through education, through um uh information other outlets, because

the criminal justice system is targeted towards them. That's what happens when you have underfunded schools, when you are pedaling your kids nothing but nonsense on entertainment all day that you know, no, not to jay Z, but you made your career saying you hustle, you sold drugs and you got the pretty wife now and you're you're the dawling of America. So what do we think we're telling our children? Like,

what do we is the message? You know where we are Our doctors are engineers, where the people who want to be botanist scientists uh lumber. So you know, to really fix criminal justice, you have to start with education. You then start to you have to really we have to check these political people. There's a lot of black people who hold political office, but they're literally just there at the seat at the table to get whatever crumbs

they can get from whiteness. Um they used. On Sunday they go to the churches and they hallelujah it up and sweat it up. And then on Monday there down at the Democratic leader who doesn't look like them and promising him something that only benefits him. So we have to remove the political leadership that currently exists. You know, we had tremendous people who have lost their lives. Uh if you think think about this, back in the day, the black leadership was not Democrat or Republican. They were

black telling you how these issues affected us. Now, all of our political leadership as it comes to criminal justice and everything else, is centered on something else. And then even now we have to understand the legacy even look, look what Biden said. You know everybody now you know if I'm not into this whole spectacle of blackness right now getting on your knees with Kentake Claude looking like you're about to get up, bro, I think I think that's a collective we all in agreement. What you know

what that is though, that is two things. That's America is masterful at usurping narratives, particularly narratives of people who they marginalized. And that's also the lack of leadership and genuineness in our own community. Because if you had any black political leaders or white for that matter, they would say, yo, cut this ship out. We're not doing But you see what Biden said, Um, oh, I'm not I'm not with defunding the police. Why why are you not with that?

You're not with that because from America's racist narrative, they have to have the police there to keep them away from the scary black people. And it happened under Obama. Obama came out trying to protect his boy in the Black Eye, Retiro Henry Lewis Gates and set some powerful things on Monday, and by Friday he was sitting in the Oval Office garden having a beer summit with the cops who did that to his friend. So Biden comes

out and says, no, I'm not with the funding. Why because you know what people think, Oh, that means you with these black people, That's what that's about. And and in the criminal justice politically, it's always been used as a fearmonger for white Americans and middle class back black people that the way to help the black community is to police them. So we need to militarize the police, we need to fund them. And that's what that's about. And so so, and that's Biden, that's the guy who

supposed these double digit wins. Right now, we're supposed to me to answer to the other racist guy. And that's that's the question I have for for both of you guys, because this is the hardest part for me. People say, do I vote for the lesser of two evils? Is one guy even a good guy? Or do I just not vote? How important is it for us to express out voting power this November? Because and I want to hear from both of you guys, because you both have

different platforms, You're both coming from different mindsets. You know your mom, you're a dad, You're into finance, you're into criminal justice. It's like, how how to be honest? I don't even have the answer. People ask me all the time. Are you gonna not vote about Are you gonna vote for Biden because he's Democrats? Are you gonna vote for Biden because he's just anti Trump? Are you gonna vote for Trump because he's promising to do more for the

black community. How do we utilize our vote to make it a difference? I think I'll be brief. I think the voting, as Stokely Carmichael talked about it years ago, is an organizing tool to leverage and to bring your community together. If your community is not together, it's pointless in my opinion, because when you think about it, white people vote for financial reasons, how are they gonna be

tax and then racially issues? In my opinion, you don't talk about where do black people vote are We're We're in a perpetual position of voting for the lesser evil.

So unless we start nurturing our own local political leadership and then nationally, we have to create apparatus is where people in Indiana, Gary, Indiana know what the issues are in North and vice versa, and then sharing that information and then exhibiting it at the polls doing what uh Tiffany said, maybe boycotting, maybe just you know what, I don't shop at those stores once they see that, you just don't stop at voting. Because vote you could do

several things. I know some brilliant people who don't vote, but they teach kids. They are out here putting the work, the community part. Yeah, so it really it's a personal thing. But in the perfect world, we need to organize and we right now we're on the world stage trying to get our house together, very position to be, and we gotta get out of that space before we can even begin to change the political um landscape. Right now I say, I mean, I I believe more even almost more importantly

than voting from president is voting locally. Like I are our mayor here in Newark. Ros Baraca his his his father is late and Mary Baraca and um, even before all this rose. I mean, if anybody knows why he's been an organizer, he's been you know. I mean, people have a lot to say about while the one thing you can't say that he's not for his people. Um. And it was, you know, it was so eloquently displayed when we had our protests. He led the protest. He's

been leading before he was mayor. He was a principal bo at one of our high school's public high school. Before he was that, he was a teacher at one of our high school. So the community wasn't like, oh, here you go. You just came out. It was like, oh, there goes Rod. He's been new you know. Um. So, but putting him you know, in that position, you know, in in this black city was critically important. So we're

voting locally. I was talking to my husband about I was like, Yo, but we need to make sure, like you you need to highlight all your boys from back in the day till now that registered to vote for these local elections to ensure that um that les Kay said that we that that what's happening is in alignment with with what our personal agendas are. I think that especially especially, nothing moves America like violence and money. Okay, so you know when people are like, oh my god,

people know they know my brand. It's pretty happy, go lucky, and so you know the good white folks sometimes that follow me like you you're not mad the riots, I said, you're not mad at a man being murdered on on social media. You're worried about target Yo, somebody die. Get out of my inbox with that. I'm not worried about the violence. I am worried about the violence. Racism is violence. It's the longest lasting global pandemic in world history exactly.

So imagine it, because I want to think I'm thinking about it. Was like even if they was just something as simple as like collectively telling, because my audience is, like I said, about a million deep. Imagine if I was like, Yo, we are going to do a save a hundred dollar challenge, and I want you to save that hundred dollars and put it in a Black Bank. That's a hundred million dollars you know, on the day that we could do. Just imagine how powerful that can be.

And I think that's when people wake up, when money starts shifting hands, when money starts going from one place to another. Like people don't care about this bus and stuff, but they listen to violence and they listen to to money. So and so that's that's really what I'm trying to lead into it. I feel like you're supposed to ripple where you are, right. I can't do all the things.

All I can do is like or what I all I really should do is lean into what my strengths are, what I'm capable of doing, and rippling out that way. And if someone else it's like watching a movie. You'll watch these like like uh like um uh when was

it not that? What is that Hobbit movie? But you ever watch these movies in right, Lord of the Rings, right, so you see like the habits are doing this, the true folk are doing this, that everybody is collectively doing what they're doing in their neighborhood, and then by the end it comes together for a greater movement. I think that's what we really have to lean into you don't. Everyone doesn't have to be on the front lines. Everyone doesn't. There are some people who are who are um, you know,

who have money, so they should lean into that. There's some people who have connections, leaning into that. There's some people who have knowledge, leaning into that. There's some people who are gonna be on the front lines. I think critically now that we should be leaning into our individual gifts and talents and amplifying that even more so. So

that's what I'm working on doing. I'm like, Okay, I know my audience, listen, if we can if we can shift a hundred million, two hundred million, I have the billion dollars in wealth from we're taking it from here to here. How how powerful can that be? Because banks have come to me and I told him the kick crocks, I don't partner with big banks. I remember I told one bank in particular, um, they wanted to be with

me so bad. I was like, I'm not interested. They probably put a system on phone because yes, yes, And I told her for you sis, I'm gonna come in, but let's just I'm coming in as myself. And she was like, okay, you know that's fine. And I came in and I said, I just posted your bank in my Facebook group and asked these sisters in this group how they felt about your bank. Would you like me to read those replies? They said no. I said, that's the problem. You know that, you know you want me

to cape for you. I refuse. You know, and also too, I think because I was in my my stepdaughter, my bonus started her room the other day. She has on her wall her her vision board, and in it she see she's mapping out how to start a business. And I was like, you know, kids, you think kids don't listen. She is listening. And so I think that us we need so many more black entrepreneurs that can create safe spaces for black people to be hired and to be

looked after. That can create wealth, because when you're an entrepreneur, wealth like the sky's the limit, you know of what you could. This company rewards entrepreneurs and punishes folks that work regular nine to five. You pay taxes before you get your even your money if you have a nine to five, and if you're an entrepreneur, you dictate what your what your taxes are. It enables me to to's enabled me to grow well. Is enabled me to pour right back into the community where I live. It's enabled

me to make certain decisions. So I think that's that's another in another way that we can because I'm starting to mentor other black women entrepreneurs so that way they can hire other other other black folks to work at their company. Because I'm like, well, what else can I do to help expand this because I I'm not Look, I'm tired of looking outside of us for the solution. We don't we don't need to. And I want to say,

I think that's a very important part. Um. We have to stop emulating whiteness and we have to be comfortable um uh innovating who we are. And I think that's where we're lacking. Even in the political process. We're lacking the innovation to impact a very young political system. People like to think the American political system is always very young. Um you can go back generations, you know, six sixty five years ago. It's not a long time to time.

Um we I would love to see in the next coming years or this moment in time really inspire the young generation to start forming their own political parties. I think it's very important, um I. And back to the

criminal justice thing. There is no criminal justice. Criminal justice reform is not giving money to any of these entertainment companies for social justice reform or talking head Van Jones, this guy, this guy, that's all gained because ultimately, if you want to change this criminal justice system, you have to get rid of these people. You have to get rid of certain laws you have to do, and if you're not doing that, you're literally moving furniture around and

in the voting process. If we're not if we're not using information and data to make wise choices with knowledge and wisdom, we're simply moving furniture around in that sector. And we can't afford to just move things around. It's very critical for for black people in this country, as it always is that I have a have an interview with Essence as I gotta jump off. I don't want to my wife, my wife and my wife, you know, my wife. My wife told me. I told her I

was coming on this show. Tell her, I say him for having me on. It's a pleasure, Tiffany. We love you. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you already. No peace, guys, know peace, Kenny. I appreciate you, bro Yo, listen, I love you guys. One thing I want to say, and it really it's really important to me. I don't f with these entertainers. I think these entertainers have their gender,

ain't right. The fact that you guys from the inception have been using your platform and your voice to educate and inform and listen is powerful and I noticed it and it means a lot to me. Whatever you guys need, I'm here. Appreciate you for always letting us lean on you with y and says, we know what we don't know, so if we have to calling the reinforcements, Look, we're in a foxhole together and we replacement is in between y'all. Those only replacements we got. Wow, that was amazing, so

much knowledge, so much more to this uff. I feel like we just kind of that was just a tip of the iceberg, and it really makes me wonder and it kind of lit this fire in me. For season four of Dead as Podcasts, how much more we have to discuss because this is not something that's gonna be around for just like a week or two or a month. This is going to be a movement for several months

and years to come. And I have to say this when we first started doing Dead Ass podcast for us, it was to talk about millennial Black love and millennial Black family, and it is. But we realize now more than ever that speaking about millennial Black love and family is talking about trying to get rid of systematic oppression, trying to talk about social injustice, trying to push forward economic empowerment to all of our people so that we

as a community can continue to grow. I mean, I think that we have so much more to talk about going into season four, and just so much more people, so many more people to bring on to share with you guys, because like I said, we know what we don't know, but we know people who do know exactly if you're black love, Black family. We cannot continue to exist and to thrive in an environment like this. And we've had four hundred plus years before us and we

still have a long march ahead of us. So we want to send a special thank you to Kenneth Montgomery who has been on. He's been on the podcast. We're going to have them back on again for sure. Kenneth Montgomery, He's like family to us. Appreciate you. Kenny Um. The budget Minista Tiffany Leech, who was also in another episode that we have because there's so many different ways to break down finance and economy, but particularly pertaining to right

now with a recession that's about to hit. I mean, it was so important to have her shed her light on that. And of course Mr Lewis Carr, who has been great like the mentor to de Val and has

really taking him under his wings. So I appreciate somebody like that who you can call on when we have things like this, absolutely, you know, some advice on And I think it's important, especially for Mr Lewis Car because he talks about corporate corporate culture, and for so many years black people have felt like it's difficult for us to exist in corporate culture because there's so few of us.

But here's a man who's existed for over thirty one years, raised billions of dollars, and he's done it at an international level. Um, I think we need to continue to groom young men and young women to occupy that space. You know, we always talk about trying to occupy space, but if we have no one to occupy this space, there will be no more Lewis Cars, there will be no more Tiffany and Lee Chase, there will be no more,

Kenneth mc comies. We're talking about financial advisement attorneys. We're talking about ceo s and presidents, very vital to making this world run. So thank you so much for being examples, thank you for educating us, and thank you for being a part of the dead ass community. So, babe, do you have a moment of truth for what we've just experienced? That was? That was heavy? Man? Were you nervous? Were you nervous just taking on this project and trying to Yeah,

I mean yeah, you know. The reason why I feel like I was maybe a little apprehensive at first was just because anytime you step foot into that political realm, it creates contention, It creates divide you have political and not whatsoever. And I hope you don't either. You should probably discuss with the prospective spouse. Thank you. I'm glad

that we know that now. Um, but yeah, it was just it was a little nerve wracking, just because whenever you step foot into this little chrome and there's so many things to um, you know, decompress and to figure out, and it causes a lot of you know, contention. Like the biggest thing that we've always heard growing up is like there's certain things you don't discuss friends, and now

it's like, oh, everyone has a voice social media. You know, you see friends on Facebook post and certain things and you're like, wait a second, cist, I don't know you felt that way. Let me unfriend you, but you know what, let me not unfriend you. So you can see these posts about the posts as a rebuttal, you know, it becomes like this this silent debate that happens online, um with with friends or you know, acquaintances. So you know, it is a little a little touchy, but I feel

like it's necessary. I feel like everything that's happening right now is creating a level of discomfort for everyone. You know. That's like I saw a team recently that said something about like it took for sports to stop, entertainment to stop every pretty much everything that would have been a distraction stopped. And this for people to realize that there was a problem, a problem everything has like everyone had

to disconnect to realize, oh my goodness, you know. Um. And it's funny because you can even feel attention sometimes just leaving your front door, like you know, having white neighbors that are just like hey, you know, you're not sure if they're comfortable. Yeah, it's like us and we're not comfortable with them. It's like, do we even discuss

what's happening? Do we act like it never happened? And prior to this, like you know, a couple of months ago, everything was finus like Nebory neighbor, and now it's kind of like it's a little bit attention in the year. So so yeah, I think overall in general, it's just a very uncomfortable time. But I think it's going to be a time that's this is a catalyst for change right now, and I think we should embrace that. And that might even be my moment of truth kind of

spiraling into that. It's just like using this discomfort to promote change. How am I going to change? How am I going to create a better future for my children? How can I do that from a grassroots level? What role can I take in my community? There's so many things to reflect on and now to strategize to see how I can be the actual change that I want to see? Right I can? I? I see that. That's dope, because so many nights I sat here with you and we were trying to figure out what do we do?

How do we do it that? And what rocked me to was having that conversation with our boys, you know, Jackson, particularly because he's older, he can kind of grab and that was the most heartbreaking conversation to have. I felt like I stripped a piece of his innocence a way, because you know, for him to feel like, wow, there's people out there that just won't see me as Jackson, my sweet you know, EmPATH, EmPATH of a child, and it just, oh my goodness, it was. It was a

lot to deal with. Well, my moment of truth is this. I realized something throughout this whole process. We're constantly talking about occupying space as a community. But then I realized that we are not doing a good enough job of grooming the next generation to occupy that space. And I'm guilty of it too. I've never mentioned to my kids about being a politician, about being a judge, about being a lawmaker. And I'm saying to myself after listening to Kenny,

how do we create the change without actual policy? Because the people can change, but if the policy is still in place, systemically, nothing will change. So we have to do a better job as a community of grooming the next generation of leaders in the corporate space, in the political space, so we can get the change that we really want. That's my moment. I love that now needs

to find some resources. Anybody got any resources for the kids, you know, people sharing some resources and things that we can read to the kids and things for them to see and where site. So I think that would be great to have as well, so they can see that there's power and being a judge, and there's power and being an attorney and being able to have people who look like us in those positions looking out for the greater good. You know, absolutely, well, listen and we appreciate

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