Legacy Beyond Wealth

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The legacy you leave will not be defined by how much money you make.

M that's a good thing. And I just know that as rich as my heritage and culture is, that needs to be folded up into the legacy that we leave our children.

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Story time, so as you all know, we have four beautiful voice and over the past I say a year, I've learned a lot about raising our children. Just in the past year, yes, I'll say in the past year, mainly because Jackson turned thirteen, and as so many of you know, in other cultures, you turn thirteen. In Jewish culture you have about missfah even in I think in Latino culture, when you turn thirteen, for girls.

Or was fifteen for coach.

So it's like that age that turning thirteen in many cultures is a sign of becoming an adult. And recently I've realized with Jackson that there's more teaching that goes into teaching a young man how to be a man than it teaches him how to do anything that's in association with his occupation. So, for example, Jackson and I had gone through this back and forth with football and basketball, and I realized, you know what, I am going to

You're supposed to be here. He calls me.

He said, Yo, I got sick last night. I actually got really sick, passed out on the floor. Woke up this morning and it's five thirty. I got a long text message from Jackson.

Right.

The text message says something like this, This is a thirteen year old Hey, j I have to be at school for eight o'clock. You told me to be here at five. You told me to be up at five am so you could pick me up. I'm up and you're not here. We talk about trusting this house, and if you expect me to trust, you have to be a man of your word because words have power. I could have gotten more sleep, so I'm not gonna do

I say that all the time, all the time, all the time.

And when Jay read the text from me, I was pissed.

First, well, you had my son wake up, But I was also proud the jackson not only stood his ground, but he was eloquent in these words.

So eloquent and respectful.

That's my boy, man.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what we teach accountability in this house, all right. Everybody has to follow suit.

So with that being said, you had a karaoke song. I did song, which is funny because yesterday we was arguing about you know what I like.

And I do mine, and then they don't have to be one karaoke.

If it's fitting for us to have to. I mean, initially when I said mine, you were like, oh, that's what I was thinking of, But then you had something else.

So I think because it was the first thing that came up with, legacy.

Was right right. Well, of course, Jay Z, legacy right makes sense. Legacy, Legacy Black excellency, let them see.

Let them see.

Yeah, But then I started thinking about the spoken word. This is from the Blueprint two album. Jay Z said this at the end of the first song. I see, I said, jealousy, I said, got the whole industry mad at me? I said, then be I said, Oh, remind yourself. Nobody built like you. You design yourself. I see, I said, my wonderful con self getting stoned every day like Jesus did. What he said, I said, has been said before, So keep doing your thing.

He said, say no more. That's legacy.

That like, it gives me chills to even say that and think about what it means.

You know, the idea of getting stoned every day like Jesus did.

It's like, Yo, my legacy is that I'm not going to follow and do everything everybody else. I am going to do something outside the box. That's my legacy, my legacies. I'm going to do something that's never been done, and people will crucify me for it because it's never been done. But at the very end, he said, I see, I said, what's been said before. Keep doing your thing, he said,

Yeah, it's a fact.

And if not, at least you'll be happy with being yourself.

Amen.

That's ultimately what we teach these boys.

Amen.

Love that man.

All Right, y'all, let's take a quick break. We're gonna pay some bills and then we're going to get back into the meat of the show. So stick around Legacy, baby. All right, we're back, all right now for Devo's favorite part of the show.

This is my favorite part of the show.

What we got going on today, girl.

Well, since we're talking about Legacy today, I heard that stephen A Smith and Lebron James got into it court side of the Lakers game a few weeks ago.

Oh, I did see that.

I guess Bronnie James was playing particularly poorly that game and stephen A Smith must have been saying something courtside, so Lebron went up to him and, reportedly, according to Smith, he said, stop effing with my son.

That's my son.

So my question is about nepotism.

In this situation.

About nepotism. Oh, I have a strong opinion about this. I'm all for nepotism. This country was built on nepotism. They just mad because now we're using nepotism. And even in a more poignant point when it comes to the James family, lebron James has made a shit ton.

Of money for not only the NBA, but ESPN and Nike.

Right, and we all agree that he's made billions of dollars for those three companies. Right, people have a problem with his son being drafted into the NBA, right, and him getting a seven million dollar deal. I challenge anyone to go back in time and look at all of the draft picks at that time.

They all got the same amount of deal.

They all got about seven million, some got more, some got nine million, being I think he's a fifty fifth pick, right, Josh.

So people were upset that he a seven million dollars.

This also shows you the ignorance people see something automatically assume that Bronnie James got more than everybody else until they do research and realize he didn't get more than everybody else. But also, let me ask you this, if you made billions of dollars for three companies, right, why would you put your son into the nc double A to make more money for the NC DOUBLEA when you can put him where you can make sure that he's taken care of what he can learn about the game

Because Braun never went to the NC Double A. He went sure at a high school. So I understand it. I understand the mentality.

I think that people don't realize that they're playing a different game.

You know what I'm saying, Bron is an icon. His son is not going to do.

Things the way ever three other child does, and I think people are upset about that. But I don't think. I don't think it's quote unquote nepotism. And even if it is nepotism, go ahead and nepotize your way to the top. Because I played in the NFL where every coach's son is on staff.

That owners son is own staff.

Like, there's people who are gms who have no football experience because their father was in the front office. So if we don't have a problem with that, I don't have a problem with this.

Remember in college we went to at Hofstra. One of my residents, who is living on my floor, okay, woke up one middle of the night to someone someone was in my in my dorm room. So this is when I was living in the towers, so I was in charge of my entire ninth floor. Deval and I were in my little twin size bed asleep middle of the night. I was the r A on duty that night. Big spoon, little spoon, big little spoon in the twin size bed, right. And then I hear in my sleep like water is running.

I was dead.

Nah in my room. So I jump out the bed. Deval jumps off the bed. We were like, oh my god, jump and grab him.

No, he's paying.

I'm like he's paying a long stream piece like he was clearly like super nebrated and on something right, So I'm like, don't So he like literally comes to when we turn on the lights and he sees like he's in the room with me and Deval and he was like, oh shit. So I was like, I said his name, and I was like, you better get the fuck out my room and take the garbage can with you.

It's the funniest part though. It's the funniest part. He picks up the garbage can and goes into the bathroom to clean it out. Right, public safety comes. They're all former football players because once she called, they run upstairs.

Yo, do you good.

I'm saying, yeah, dudes in the bathroom. They come back laughing, and I said, what happened? They go in the bathroom. I go in the bathroom. Dude is in the shower with the garbage can, fully clothed and all of the.

Wall just running on it and running out of the garbage can.

And the dude was just like he's They were like, he's on something other than just alcohol.

Made no sense, So they took care of him, took him to the hospital, make sure he didn't have anything.

So a couple of days later, I go by.

He lived down the dorm down the hall from me. So I'm knock on the door and I'm like, yo, what's the deal? Like real talk like you party Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Like how like how dude? Undergrad's a fucking joke. My fifth year. My dad owns Vitamin World. When I graduated, want to sit on the board, I'm gonna make like two hudred and fifty k. That's literally what he told me. And I said, that's a different game, y'all, playing bro like.

Undergrad to them was a place to go socialized.

I tell you, wow, old to do it, have fun, travel.

He said.

My dad said, if I get my degree, then I can sit on the board. Not when if, But he was just there of five years, and when he gets his degree, he gets to sit on the board and make a quarter million dollars. That's what And that's nepotism. They have no problem with that. So that's a great story.

So for me, I'm just like, they be over here doing it all the time. They put their kids in positions to at minimum make six figures sitting on a board with the potential to if they were invested in the company, potentially rise in the company. So I'm like, maybe I'm gonna do the same thing for my children, because guess what we've been over here busting our ass to make away facts and one thing divine and I

I don't.

I don't really pay by the time this comes out, y'all seeing he just had his career high last night.

He had seventeen, seventeen, five and two.

He's just starting now.

I'm going to be fair because people are going to say, oh, they was getting blown out. I don't care if they was getting blown out. And I think he's averaging over twenty in the G League, and the number two pick from this year I think is in the G League and averages less points than Brownie. So it's like, I think's number two and number three. I know some sports people can be like, no, it's not the number two,

Come on now, exactly, And they're expecting him to come fresh out of wherever he's coming out of school to be at the same level of his father, Like, come on.

Also, there's so many other nuances here that people don't realize. Two years ago, Brownie had a heart condition that almost.

Cost him his life.

Remember, yeah, yeah, at this point, if I'm a dad, I don't give a shit period about what people think about what I'm going to do for my son. Like if this is going to and I don't want to put this, I say it shortens his life.

I'm going to give my son every opportunity now to.

Get his dream, you know, cause what if you get some report that, hey, he only has a couple more years to play basketball before he has to chill. Okay, these are things they're not going to disclose to us, But he getting there.

You know what I'm saying, We don't know.

And I'm not going to say that I'm gonna knock on wood because I'm hoping that that's not the case. My head here, I just I think this whole thing about nepotism with them is just yeah, it's.

All blown out and shout out to my girl Savannah. Because people have told me that I'll be on my Savannah tip at these basketball games with Jackson because I'll be just concentrating on my son. So I had dming that was like girl, I said people somebody said you'd be like, oh my god, you so much like Savannah James, Like you just be so into the game. Yeah, because I'm here for my son, not here to entertain with y'all.

Well, you're supposed to be there to entertain people.

No, I got kids kids, was the AAU circuit track whatever. I'm not there to chucking job with nobody, but I feel root my kids on. So, yes, what.

Y'all think, I know, I know how y'all think about nepotism. We had this discussion, Matt.

Nepotism is running all up and down that building and every other building. I'm all for all for it.

I'm all for it. I think you bloom where you're planted.

The fact that his dad put him in bad I won't say his dad put him in that position. I would say that his dad had influence to get him to be a part of the NBA and the Lakers for that matter.

And for the.

Most part, a lot of us are unqualified for the positions that we have in general, right.

So.

It is up to you to take the opportunity that you have to bloom in that position. And I think he's doing exactly what he needs to do. I have no issues with it. I guarantee you, once I have my production studio, once I'm making my own films, my daughter who wants to be an actress, I guarantee you she will be in my films. Now a day in acting school. She will go to acting school. Doesn't matter because absolutely I'm grooming her for what she wants in the future.

So absolutely that makes so much sense as you should.

Yeah, I one agree with nepotism, especially when it comes to black folks. It's something that we haven't always been able to do. I saw a video the other day White Lotus, the show Arnold Schwarzenegger's son is on White Lotus, and they posted a video the other day that was like the moment that whoever. Schwarzenegger found out that he got the part on White Lotus and everybody was like, I thought they were on set in this video because they're at like a nice resort.

They're like, this isn't news.

Bro, Like, yeah, we know why you got the part. But I guess sports fans are a little bit different at they're a little more a little harsher when it comes to criticism, but hey.

It depends on who they're harsh with.

Yes, Archie Manning made it a point to make sure that his kids went exactly where they went, and no one had an issue with that. He pretty much told I think it was the San Diego Chargers, do not draft. If you draft Eli, he will go back to college and not play. So then they drafted him and traded him to the Giants for Philip Rivers. So here's another opportunity where nepotism. A former Hall of Fame or hall of famer tells people in this organization what's going to happen,

That's all of this? They can kiss minds with that. I don't care. I hope them brothers get everything they want out of life, big man, and.

They can be the most mediocre player on the team.

Fact me.

Hey, yeah, that's how Sometimes though, with nepotism, you wonder why think.

About this, think about this in your life. Have you ever seen a C average person in your life? A black sea average person just go on to do anything like super super great, and they'd be like, sea average, got me here if you ever know. But if you have a sea average, you a white male, you could become president of the United States.

George W. Bush. Yeah, I'm just being honest.

What it is is absolutely.

Yes, he went to an Ivy League school, but he was a C average student and became president because his father was president. Like, come on, man, like, we're not going this is all facts. We're not making up stuff. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. So nepotism runs rampant in America. Do whatever you gotta do, bron Jackson, whatever I got going on. When you turn eighteen, trust me, you got a job, baby.

All right.

And I think it's also about knowing your kids and knowing like their interests, Like say, Bronni didn't want to do asketball like then, I'm sure they would have found a different avenue for him to with their connections succeed in that route. So it's like it doesn't always have to be the same exact thing that the parent did either. That is a fact, you know, I agree with that AnyWho.

I know we're not talking about finance today, but I think the audience always loves to hear y'all talk about money. Okay, I feel like what I hear y'all talk about money, I walk out of here like, Wow, I'm about to have a million dollars. Hasn't happened yet, but I still believe, keep the faith. So I just read the Washington Post posted an article today that said that Klarna just signed a new deal at door Dash. I saw that last people can pay for food delivery and for payments.

That's insane, and it makes.

Me wonder what do y'all think about these buy now, pay later companies like after pay Klarna.

There's a couple more out there, op or no? Op?

What's the arp on that? There's no there's no interesting, So what's the incentive for someone like a Klarna? You know, Like, how do they make their money? It has to be like some underlying something, because listen, I understand that the price of food. With four children in this house who were always hungry, I get why people have to like lay away food.

You know what I'm saying, no op, because I don't know enough about the app to have an education opinion, So.

I don't have one, but go ahead, so you know more about it?

Yeah, Well, I've seen people with Klarna, you know, talking about you know, the joke is that you know, if you're going out and you want to get outfit or you're trying to get something designer and you can't afford it in the moment, you use Klara to get It's like, yeah, it's like layaway now, I feel you.

What is the like?

So, the way that Klarna gets paid is they take a merchant fee that is a percentage of what it costs.

So the idea is they get their costs from the merchant. They get their money from the merchants.

Is they already elevating the price anyway?

Yeah?

So it's like I used to work for groupon back in the day, and the thought behind it is they feel seats that would normally be empty. If you give them a discount, you can make fifty percent of what you would normally make instead of zero. So I guess that's how they can sell people on using Klarna and have to pay merchants rather.

I should now that I know that. I think it makes sense.

It's like it's another form of group economics, and it's what people need to understand. Black people used to do this lot back in the day. He used to be called the Susu susu.

Right.

Yeah, it's just like we all low money.

Say we all put in one hundred dollars, so there's five of us. So it's Kadeen's week. She gets to five hundred dollars. It's a saving savings plan, but she gets five hundred dollars to work to have that for whatever she wants it for for that week. But then the next week she got to put in her hundred dollars and that week goes to Josh and he's going, I think this is the same thing. Say you don't have a group to do a sushu or group economics, but you need something in that moment.

Okay, I'll play a premium because I can pay overtime.

I don't think that that's a bad thing, especially now with the tariffs and with you know, we're heading towards a recession, people are trying to find ways to survive. I wouldn't use it all the time because clearly, since you're playing a premium, you're paying probably close to twice as much.

No, there's no there's no interest, there's no fees you pay exactly not.

There has to be a fee you said there is.

According to GBT, there is. If you use a financing has to be a monthly final. If use financing monthly payments, interest may be charged depending on the terms of your loan.

But it's all financing is only used if you're not going to pay for it in four payments, which wouldn't be for food, smaller purchases. Exactly how much it costs you just split the payment over four per gotcha.

Thing is you said they have a merchant fee, so they get the money from the merchant.

Yeah, so the merchant is gonna.

Charge right Karma Karnakna.

Know what I'm saying is if it's the hot dog is ten dollars, the merchant's probably gonna charge twelve dollars, right, and then break it.

Up into That's essentially what they do they're doing door Dash is already doing.

Yeah.

Right.

So I'm saying this is they're going to find a way to get you to spend more money over a longer period. Absolutely, but it may be okay for you if you don't have twenty dollars in that moment, but you got five, Okay, I can have twenty dollars by the end of the.

Way, and you gotta eat it, you know what I'm saying.

So I understand it. People trying to make it right. I get it right.

It was people trying to eat So if it helps.

Yeah, they just they do.

I have to understand the long term effects, and most people don't because most people will be like, oh, I could pay five dollars over four payments, so then it's just like, oh, it's twenty dollars.

Yeah, but the hot dog only costs twelve, you know what I'm saying.

So it's like, you spend the extra eight dollars and then people don't realize if you continuously use that now doubled your money like I have over the course of a year, you'd be like, wait a minute, why did I spend so much money on this? Because rather than sacrificing and saving. You chose to do it upfront and pay more money, and that's how they get you in the trap. It's just like a credit card.

A friend of mine, she was just like, you know, talking about her in laws. We're having some financial issues. She's like, but my father in law are still going to go ahead and get this Gucci shirt on Karna because he knows he could pay it off over time. It was for his birthday. But I think it's also just another avenue for people to continue to spend poorly and not invest in the right things. Like food is different. It's like I gotta eat out to feed my kids.

The lesson though, and how they get us because what Tripple just pointed out, they say there's no interest rate, no APR, so people automatically assume, oh, I'm paying the same price for the same products when they don't realize no, the interest comes on the back end or the front end this time because the product is the product is raised two hundred to three hundred percent so that you can use it. People probably don't understand that, so hopefully

Yeah, I think.

I don't think poor people should have to not have what they want. If you're working, if you're making money, if you're paying your b you have a roof over your head, you have the essentials. You shouldn't have to sacrifice everything. You should be able to do something that you enjoy with your money. I agree, and so, but a lot of times people who don't make a lot of money, they don't have credit, they don't have credit cards.

But how important is the things that you want if you're not where you need to be in life?

Joy is important as hell.

And I'm not saying going out to spend all of your money on things that you want, but you should be able to buy yourself something once a month if you're working.

Not if you can't afford it.

I spent four years of not buying anything, not going This is a fact. When we was going through our hustle. There was no design to close, there was no bags, there was no Jordan's. I wore the same T shirts every day. You can't go on no vacations. And I think that's a bigger lesson for people. Is joy is fleeting, That's life? Sure, so is life life. Life is fleeting.

That's my thing.

Like, if I've spent four years waiting to enjoy my life, who knows where I'm gonna be four years from now, I might not even be able to enjoy my life.

And for me it's a personal thing.

I watched my sister get sick at twenty one years old and not be able to walk and not be able to take care of herself and die when she was forty.

Yeah, so.

Yeah, it is different.

I do joy is important in life and life is fleeting. Yeah, I just I think we as people need to do what's important to us. That's why I can't take away your perspective of how you feel, like because you've.

Seen someone close to you die at a young age.

So when you tell people you have time, that's kind of like nah, So I.

Get that's me trying to even just get you to enjoy like the winds in the moment and not just thinking about what's next next, you know, or how we can elevate and do more. It's like, here's a winning moment, sit in it and absorb it and be grateful in the moment. You know.

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

But yeah, there's two It's two sides to the same coin pretty much, because you gotta you gotta be responsible, but you also all right, So one more topic that's going to lead into what we're talking about today. Uh, there's a woman I follow on Instagram. Her name is

She said. Instead, we need to prepare them for.

The problems they want to solve and how to be better participants in the world.

I agree. I have a strong opinion on this.

I agree people get afraid of technology but don't realize that technology has always evolved. For example, back in the seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds, right when everyone was trying to figure out the cotton gin because cotton was the biggest thing that made America a world power.

If they told all kids.

At that time, all you need to focus on the rest of your life is how to work with cotton gin, where would we be.

You know what I'm saying. But instead, let's work on innovation.

Let's work on growth, like our kids are not going to have to worry about mainframing and doing things that Like my father did you know zero one zero one when it comes to programming a computer? Then I did that. So let them focus on artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence to me is not the bad guy. You know, and I know being in the TV industry, people just like, well,

It's like there's always going to be a new technology.

We as people have to stop running from technology and understand that these advancements can be good for us if we learn them.

So our kids should learn that, that's my opinion.

Yeah, So not be preparing for jobs per se.

Yeah, don't be prepared to just have a job like that's but that's also what's wrong with society.

Right.

We put so much.

Emphasis, an emphasis on what somebody does as an occupation that defines people. Right the first thing you meet someone, right, you don't ask them, you know what I'm saying, You're healthy, you know what's your life?

Use that what you do? What you do the first thing the conversation starter.

And then people start talking about how much money they make, what their job is, and then you're like, damn, but you have a whole other life that you don't even talk about. Right, So I think we should stop preparing kids to feel a way about their job.

I mean, I know people who are no longer children, they're in their thirties and still don't know what job they want to do, you.

Know what I'm saying.

So it's like preparing kids solely for one particular job or one particular lane. I think is insane. I think the fact that you even have to think of what you want to do for the rest of your life at seventeen and eighteen years old as you approach college is insanity. Because I've changed my mind about fifty eleven times at this point, I want forty one. Just finding my way.

Pediatrician, pediatrician, lawyer of doctor, you know, nurse all what pressure is from like my family about what I should and shouldn't do, and pressures up on myself.

So I'm my opinion is, yeah, I completely agree with her. I don't think that we should be preparing children for jobs per se. Prepare them to be good human beings, Prepare them to seek happiness, Prepare them to be global cities and to travel the world and just see things and be exposed to different cultures. Like that's what we're about. Like you know how many times I've teered on the maybe we should just be homeschooling our children and like

It became a nine to five thing to ensure production.

I think people don't understand that about the the what is it called capital industrial complex yep, Like the nine to five was a place where all of the employers was like, we need all of our people who do our job to come to one central location. You're gonna put hours on them. They have to clock in and clock out right and get shit done right. And then it changed a little bit over the last couple of years with the pandemic and people were like, oh, we

That was for me at Matt Cosmetics. You remember driving to Roosevelt Field Moore working a nine to ten hour shift and then having a drive having no life outside of that. Yeah, so what y'all think.

What was your question?

No, she was still about they were saying that they're saying we should no.

Longer for job.

There is just for jobs.

So for me, I think it's more about raising children to be creative thinkers, to be tech savvy, to not necessarily think about jobs. So my opinion would be one the same line as y'all was like, Yeah, there's no need to be raising children to be like I'm gonna be a doctor today because the reality is that most of the jobs that are that we currently understand as as as earning.

Jobs, will be gone absolutely right.

We already automation happening in auto auto industry, UH tech industry up. That's that's the same thing is going to be happening for the medical field, robotics and and AI

It's now innovation.

So yeah, I'm glad you brought this up trouble because I have a very unique thought and I want to hear what I have to say after go ahead, Man.

I agree with y'all.

But at the same time, I'm also like, I just thought of it was like, no, we need some of these jobs. We need some of these parents to push people to these jobs because some of some doctors only became doctors and became great doctors because our parents pushed them to be that. We might not have a lot of pros in specialists in these areas if people not.

Push to those areas.

That is a fact.

That's the only thing I'm thinking about.

That is a fact because if everybody goosey like I be creative today, I'm Gonnawitch'm gonna do something else.

But we need somebody who's going to dedicate to this.

We're always civity can happen in the same field itself.

I agree.

I'm just thinking about the standpoint of your I'm saying, as parents raising kids, we can still guide them towards something.

Yet, creator helmet I got you, do not gear your kids.

To do not gear them to do that.

That happens organically when they find something they want to do. But if you gear your kids towards being a content creator, they're going to be a worse content trust me.

And that's not going to be a job in ten years.

It's not It wasn't a job ten years ago.

It's not tribute.

Would you think trip, Yeah, I think yeah.

Teaching kids how to solve problems, making kids aware about what the problems are in the world so that they can, you know, either be interested or not interested in figuring out a solution, and letting them, you know, develop their own.

Career based on that.

Also, I feel like supporting kids in the interest that they show and their talents as they're growing is super helpful as well, because even within certain industries, there's more jobs than what kids know or even parents know are available. Like as a child, I wanted to be an actor

Yeah.

But also I think a problem that we do have that some kids should be encouraged to try to solve is like, we're about to run out of electricians, We're about to deny have enough plumbers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Everybody wants to do something fancy.

We was just talking to the young man that was in the houses. You see all the work was done. There was a young man shout out to mister James. He brought a young man, Colin by the house. Colin was fourteen. Wow, and he was here the middle of today. So me and Matt was like, Yo, this is impressive that you have a young man in the middle of the day learning about a trade. And then he was just like he was my mother is a real estate agent. She always needs work.

Done on the house. So I'm gonna learn how to do this.

But that also goes to what Matt was saying and what Josh was saying. He had to be here because the people in his life told him, you need a mentor, so they forced him to do something, which is what Matt was saying. What Josh was saying is he realized that his mom sells houses, but they need people all the time to fix electricity and plums. So he figured out that he wanted to focus on that. This is gonna bring me to the legacy you build for your kids outside of finances.

Right. I said to k about a year ago, Canini is gonna sound crazy.

But everything sounds crazy. He prefaces everything by saying, I know I'm gonna sound crazy, but I'm like, what.

I do know?

But what if our kids never worked, and what if we never put on them?

You have to go work for somebody.

For example, I'm confident that we are going to be worth over nine figures. Right, So in that case, do I have to go out there and tell my son, y'all gotta gotta go out there and get more money.

No, I don't have to.

But what I can tell him is, like what you said, trouble. There are problems going on in the world you think you want to solve. Son, Take the money that you've already accrued, we've accrued as a family, build something, create something that's gonna help solve that. I watch Will Smith's son Jaden. He's focused on hydrating the planet and he

That's a great point.

And I said to Kay, I was like, what if our kids do that?

Yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and tell Jackson, like, well you better be a fifth a first round I'm picking win super Bowl.

No that.

I don't want to do this, man, what do you want to do.

I want to be a humanitarian, you know, I want to I want to build some I want to get some land in Africa and I want to build this and I want to do that. I'm gonna be like fuck yeah, because at this point, your occupation does nothing to us as humans.

I mean, why do we have occupations to make money. Why do we have jobs to make money? So it's like, if you now have built the legacy financially for your children to be able to then impact the world and the way they see, yes, then it's like why not. That was the whole point of it anyway.

Now that's what you're working and building towards to give them that free to go and be a productive member of society.

Yes. Now, I'm gonna tell you something, right, it's when they piss it away then that's the problem.

I'm gonna tell you something crazy, right. Had this conversation amongst some of my cast members. I'm not going to say with casts, but they of course were women, and they were like, I don't know if I met a dude who have money who just wanted to save the world that, I don't know if I could marry a dude like that. And I said, you see, that's the mindset we were brought up. We were all brought up that your occupation defines.

You as a person. And the minute I say he doesn't work, but he's doing, you automatically.

Went to he's not working because he's lazy or he doesn't have no And they were just like, oh, I didn't realize.

That, I said, but we all do that because for I was pushing Jackson for that same reason. You ain't going to be a lazy man. You got to get a job. You gotta work this many hours, you gotta do this.

And then over the last couple of months, when I wasn't working as much and I realized how much effort and energy I need to put into my kids, I'm like, Yo, what if I stop chasing dollars. Okay, we make money. What if I stop chasing dollars and focused on how I could be a better human? Shouldn't more people do that? And that, to me is what's important about legacy because legacy, even with Hove and b people give them the legacy

There are families who have done things in the world that have changed the entire world that people have never heard about. Look at our.

Shirvy y Roff's kids. Yes, there is a process now of starting their stardom. I know her son just got a role in a in a Christmas.

And they're doing that on the side. Their main thing is.

Yeah that is like yo, yeah, shout out to and Ivy. We had them on last season.

I think we've reached a point in our lives black people where we're no longer the first generation to do stuff. My father went to college. Okay, he got his associates degree. My mom didn't get her bachelor's degree. But I can't sit here and say I'm the first lst that is something my parents have done things. Absolutely a situation where my life is way easier. Absolutely, I understand my privilege having both my parents and them there's stilling this in me.

You know what I'm saying, Like my story, my legacy don't got to be I came from the gut that got shot. You know, I sold drugs. That's not every person's story story. You know what I'm saying.

My legacy is going to be I had a really good father who also had a really good father to be a really good father. And I have a really good wife because my father had a really good wife and his father had a really good wife.

And legacy to me is passing one of those things.

I just money, Yeah, that's why I mentioned culture and heritage in my SoundBite when we first opened the show, because I look at, like I said, when I went back home to my dad's country and my mom's country, is like seeing where they've come from and the strides that they were able to make coming over here at what seventeen and nineteen years old and working at Burger King and building you know, her life up my mom and becoming a nurse, and then being able to give

That's a legacy.

That's a legacy, you know. And then when I look at my kids now, Like the other day, I was on the car with Cairo. We were going to a birthday party and he was like, Mom, can I DJ? So I was like, all right, cool, my boy has the most extensive, you know, taste in music. On an hour long car ride, we went from a little.

Rat so it was a little baby, little baby.

Little baby to pops. You go to pop smoke, this is Cairo. Right then we jumped over to some worship music.

What does this sound like? By the way, I just want you to because you know who it is.

Who my brother true?

You know what that is.

Watching that Chosen the same person.

God ain't real. The pyramids was created by aliens. Then in the next day will be like I just watched.

Chosen and I believe everything I think about the goodness of God.

But yeah, but it was Cairo. So it's like he's listen. We're listening to worship music the goodness of God and everything. And then we go to a little Bob Marley and I'm was like wow, And I said to him, I said, you know what, Cairo, I said, I appreciate your taste in music, I said, We've been on a journey, I said, but I feel like we need to start playing some more music from like Mimi and Papa's country because I feel like my legacy, who are my children? But they

When we came over on the Middle past, absolutely all of our culture and heritage were taken from us. So that's a good point if you can keep that alive with the younger kids teaching history, especially history in.

The world that is always whitewiseh Absolutely they're trying to.

Take away from us. Yeah, So that's that's a portion of legacy that's not money related, that I think is so rich for us and our families moving forward.

I didn't even think about that because your family but us from immigrants. You know, both your mom and your dad came over here at a young age, so I didn't realize how important that was to you.

But not hearing it, it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, because our kids won't only be able to say I'm American.

Yeah, their family, their lineage, their heritage.

Goes way way beyond it.

I think we all as as black people, need to start doing more lineage to find out where we came from. Like our story doesn't start here in sixteen nineteen, you know what I'm saying, Like our story starts way before that. And I think it's important that we use the knowledge we have to continue to push that forward.

Absolutely, absolutely, so we can open up the legacy conversation round table if anybody else has in two sense that they want to add to this legacy.

I do have or like because I wonder, like Matt, you don't have any kids yet, Trible, you don't have any kids yet? Do y'all think about how? Because me, Josh and Kay have kids, we know what it's like when you wake up. Do you think about like, I'm going to do this is from my child when? Or is it just like I'm only focusing on my personal legacy right now?

Yeah?

I used to think about it when I wasn't when I didn't think I was too old to have kids.

You think, I do you do?

You're not too old.

You're not too old at all. So can help you too if you need help.

Okay, thank you so much.

I know a lot of guys that want to help you too. I don't know if you want that kind of help, but there's a lot of guys that's watching right now and be like, please practice what it takes to get there.

Time on my page, They're like, whoa, I know you had a sister. How did you get here? You just want to know?

You just want to know something, right. That is so funny.

But yeah, I do think about that a lot, because, Yeah, I think my parents did the best they could with what they have. You know, they have barely you know, college, They worked and survived and and scarcity, and I had the best of what they had to give.

I think the child. Yeah, And so.

I think that if I do have kids, that I could give them more than that because I've learned so much even from from what I have and from what I don't have.

Oh yeah, I think about that all the time.

Yeah. For me, I absolutely think about it.

I try to take steps from right now in my career path so that I could try to set up places for the future so I can, like even with.

My art, yeah, talk about it. So I want to talk about.

I want to be able to have an extensive gallery that even if I'm going my kids can have that and pass that down. It can a crewe wealth for them. I have a freedom for them. I think about that from now.

See, one thing I noticed from everyone here is the freedom m right, Like, it's not just accruing wealth to say I have money, it's one wealth to give my kids freedom to do whatever they want to do as young black kids on this planet. That's just the bottom line. We haven't experienced that. I haven't experienced that in my lifetime. But it would be good like to be able to be like Jack's what do.

You want to do? Go ahead, walk free. We talk about it.

All the time, to be able to walk free, to walk free. But there's one thing you did bring up that's important. You can't get freedom without capitalism in this world. It's impossible. And the only way you can get some sort of freedom is if you completely go off the grid and be like, I'm not buying in at all

It don't matter exactly. To wrap it up, I guess one question Triuble had here. I guess this could be for me and you and Josh. What scares you about how your kids may turn out? Interesting already? Yeah, right, exactly.

I'm gonna be honest. Nothing scares me because I know my kids are not. I am involved in my kids life. I'm never gonna say the TV, the iPad of this. My kids are going to hear my perspective now that I'm saying it. I am afraid. I'm afraid that I was wrong about something.

Like this. You're afraid that you were wrong about something you taught now.

Like for example, I've always been this is the question I always ask my dad, and I used to cry, ask in this what if we're all wrong about Christianity?

He was like, what you mean?

I said, you told me, based on the Bible that I have to believe in Christ, and I have to believe in God, and I have to do all these things to go to heaven. Right, But there's thousands of other religions that are contradictory to Christianity, which means somebody's right, somebody's wrong.

What if we're wrong?

And that's my only fear is that everything I believed or thought or was working on towards building my family is wrong, and now I've indoctrinated into my sons a wrong belief system, which is why I'm pretty deep into listening because I never want to be that guy that's just like, only think one way right.

So that's my fear now that I've said it out loud.

My only fear is being wrong about what I thought and teaching my kids that I want them to be open minded to listen.

But I think with your intent and your heart and the things that you know deep down, it's like, no, I have only the best intention for my children. That I don't feel like you about.

That intent versus impact.

You can intend to do something and if it don't land properly, if impact that person in the.

Wrong way, they could negatively impact them.

There are tons of older white people now our age who grew up during the time where their parents believe that slavery or their grandparents believe that slavery was okay, and they evendoctrinated into these young white kids that mindset, that mindset, and now they're older realized, like, yo, our grandparents was wrong.

You know what I'm saying.

What happens if you don't get that realization before it's too late. Maybe you've done some things in that you die. Now you got to meet your maker, and now your maker tells you all these things you did in life were wrong. Yeah, you follow them. That's my biggest fear is that I might have led my kids. That's why when my kids bring me questions like I used to bring my parents, shun them or shame them.

Yeah, I say, where did you get that thought process? Let's discuss this together.

Oh yeah, there's a lot of that happening as they get older. And I think maybe because we have the open door policy with them where they feel so comfortable coming to talk to us about stuff. It's like, okay, we ask questions and they give us honest answers. At the end of twenty twenty four, we were like, all right, what do you guys want to learn more about or do more? In twenty twenty five, Cairo was like, I know, and what was the first thing? He said?

You want to learn about God?

More about God?

He asked me literally, so he.

Asked me, was just like that, where did God come from? And I was just like, well, said you ask your papa school because my father's a deacon. Know he's been to these classes and learned some of these things. He was just like, no, I asked pop the school, but I figured you, I'd ask you. You know everything, man, when I tell you the pressure to try to answer this question.

Yeah, I was.

I was. Well.

The first thing I said was, you know, God is a concept. He's like, what does that mean. I was just like, well, there's no proof. We have to believe and have faith, and you know, you show your faith in God through your works and what you doing in humanity. And an eight years old he was just like, that don't make no sense. And that's when I started to get scared, because I'm like, how do you explain to an eight year old the concept of God and faith?

You know what I'm saying.

Because as a kid, I.

Literally remember sitting in my front room as a kid and one day, you know how, they said, just gonna come back on the cloud one cloud.

Yes, I remember it was one cloud on the sideway. I think trumpets might go off to this. I had no man knows the time, no doubt.

And I'm saying right, and I'm like, I don't want to hear the thunder and I don't start rising.

A funny story.

Y'all know about the rapture, right, yeah, you know about the rapture trouble, so I for whoever does know the rapture. The rapture is the idea that God is gonna come back and he's gonna take all of his people who believed in him with him to heaven, and everyone else here is gonna stay here. The world is going to collapse, and then when they died, they'll be stuck in purgatory. So I remember waking up at my nana's house and all of my parents, aunts and uncles had all left.

We would all get together for like a family reunion, but our.

Parents would do stuff like we all go to sleep at night and then you wake up in the morning and they be gone because they don't want to do the big goodbyes, you know, we all young kids. I remember bawling my eyes out because I thought the rapture happened and they were all gone, and they left and all the kids got left here, and I remember thinking to myself, what.

Am I gonna do?

My parents are gone, I'm gonna be in purgatory. No idea what purgatory was.

But you know, you go to church at a young age and you see the cross up there and yeah this you do this, you go to hell.

You do this, you go to hell.

You sit that one person's going to be in the bed, the other person's going to be gone. Bro, you wonder what happened?

So I understand how I literally woke up.

And it didn't help that they had a rapture playing in my church. So I watched the Rapture play and I watched them do like the fake disaster scenes, by the way, would be a really good movie, like the Rapture movie where the guy comes down and takes away one third of the people.

They have a few of them they do.

Are they good?

I haven't seen them in years, but there's a few that.

With technology where it is now, could you imagine it would be like the end of the Earth means a couple of those would be like the show Paradise, Yeah, where you got to start over and figure it out right, watching.

Everything and whatnot. This is the show the chosen. Cairo was like, I want to watch that when we have our date day or day night is yeah, and that's the one.

Yeah.

So I was like okay, So he really wanting to know about the that's now I have a responsibility to make sure that my boy is learning more about God. So you know, it's also helpful that they're in a Christian school, so they're getting a good foundation, and then we just have to kind of nurture that outside of it.

So I think that's important too when we talk about what we passed down to our kids. Legacy wise, it's a spiritual foundation. Is if you don't have a spiritual foundation, you can be really lost out here. I think, imagine if you don't believe in anything or anyone or any idea that there is better for you if you work towards it, and you out here, you eighteen and you

Yeah, So passing legacy is passing down a spiritual foundation.

Absolutely. I think the only thing that scares me about the kids or how they might turn out is just the world around them, like everybody else. My mom used to say it all the time. She's like, I don't worry about you, worry about them. Everybody else the world. That's what I worry about, And I'm like, I freaking understand it now. It's like, but so much we can do as parents in a controlled environment that's just that

Can I tell you something that y'all gonna think this is funny, But I don't think it's funny. I think the world is better now than it it's ever been. Think about it. We've come from world wars, apartheid, genocide, slavery, right, think about all of those things that happened, right that those are the worst atrocities that happen.

Right, Well, they're happening in other parts of the world now still.

But I'm talking about where we are, our our world. I'm not saying that America is a perfect place. But what I'm saying is we are learning as a people from history, and people are trying now not to duplicate the same things that's happened in the past. I think part of the problem is social media has put us to the point where anything negative that happens goes on social media and it gets sensationalized. Could you imagine if social media existed during slavery? How bad the world would

You see what I'm saying. It's like where we are relative to where the world was in that moment, it's nowhere near us. Gruesome.

Think about the Crusades, right, the Christian Crusades. They were just going around killing millions of people in the name of God.

You know what I'm saying.

The world isn't as bad as it was then, but we're living in and now when we get to watch in a real time so and the reason why I say that's not to say that I think the world's in a good place. It's really just to say, we have a responsibility to teach our kids to be better.

Agreed, you know what I'm saying. And if we teach them to be better, all of us the world will be better.

That's ultimate topic. Yeah, Yeah, as we round out this before we pay some bills. The last thing that came to mind for me was this past Christmas. Jackson wrote a letter to de Valini for Christmas, and it was a three page letter that he wrote. I think it

Talking about it, I'm gonna crying. I'm not crying. Let's take a podcast a couple of times, a couple of times. You see how I brought that together, masculinity.

Let's go take a quick break, and we'll be back with listening letters. Y'all all right, and we're back with listener letters. I hope by now you guys have figured out the new email address, you know, so that way you can write in and hopefully get picked.

I got to put this out here first.

I fully got dressed first, and I know y'all see us matching, right and before y'all think look at the vow dressing like Kadeen.

Nope, I put this together first. I was ready first, and was ready first.

Wow.

So the funny thing is right, I'm like, oh, now that like I'm trying to get addressed for the podcast. Since we're doing it new, I was like, let me just start like running out some stuff in my closet. A that didn't fit me before, Henny that fit now? Okay, it's fitting and yeah. So when I saw her dress this morning, I started. I said, let me start at the top of the closet and work my way this way. And this was like one of the third or fourth outfits that I saw, and I was like, she fits

I inspired her.

You did?

You inspire me every day? I'm sure.

I'm sure.

Back to the task at hand, Hey, Kadian.

Devil, that's always a task at hand. Don't get it.

This is this is just ancillary shit we're doing here. Hey, Kadeian Develle love the practical adulting and relationship episodes the most, and I have no dating life or experience by choice to bring up anyway. I've been going through some monumental changes in the last few years and have some incoming financial comfort. I still live in my childhood home with a sibling and their child, since our parents passing as soon as they can, as soon as they can handle

This is sounding good, trible eyes perked up.

I my eminent financial situation may allow me to become a home owner in my own right, but not sure. The landlord life is for me seeing how bad tenants can be, and that responsibility is what I want a break from Any advice would be appreciated. The roommate thing is off the table, and staying home is no longer comfortable for me. I'm ready to see who I am without family in the next room, up the block and around the corner.

I understand her on this. I have very quick advice.

Right, I would say, right now, the interest rates are extremely high and everything is high, so it's about to be a seller's market. I would save as much money as you can in the next upcoming months and buy a property as opposed to renting, because all you're going to do when you rent is give your money to fund someone else's dream. Hopefully, over the past couple of years you've saved so that you can put a down payment ten percent on something a condo in New York.

Getting a condo in New York is.

Gonna cost you up eight hundred thousand dollars, so you figure ten percent of that means you have to have eighty thousand dollars in the bank.

And if you don't have that, I wouldn't move to New York. Now, if you want to.

Rent in New York, a nice apartment anywhere in New York is going to cost you over four thousand dollars a month, which about forty eight thousand dollars a year. So think about your choices before you make them. Living in New York is one of the most expensive places to live is New York in California.

So those are just some things you have to think about. But I would.

Definitely go to buy something before I rent if you don't want to have the responsibility to pay someone else's bills. But I do understand that being a landlord is troubling. That's why we chose not to be a landlord in New York. Being a landlord is New York one is the hardest places to be a landlord because when someone gets there, they don't pay rent. It's going to take you six months to a year to move out, and if people start to squat on your land, it takes them even longer to get out.

Absolutely, I wouldn't do no properties in New York right now. That's just my take, right.

I mean, if you were going to purchase something in New York, I would say, then you live in it and not get it as like an investment property where you're doing rentals. But it seems like you have your head on pretty straight bood, like you got your adults in a row, you know, and a lot of times you got to kind of wait till the right move, like not just jumping into something because you feel like you're starting to get a little uncomfortable. But if you have everything set up.

She said something that you said before that she said that she wants to live on her own without a man or kids before she gets married.

Yeah.

I agree with that.

Caudeina and I both say if there was one thing we could do differently, just by choice, to learn ourselves, it would be before we moved in together.

She would live on her own and I would live on my own, just so that we could see what that feels what it felt like. Yeah, we've never had that as adults, but I.

Think us trying to be adult in our thinking and trying to be wise at the time financially, it didn't make sense. If we're together, we want to be together. It's like, why would I go get an apartment, then you get an apartment just for the sake of saying that we have our own apartments essentially probably stay in either majority of the time. It just didn't make sense. It's like, why not just pull our resources together and live in one place and pay one rent, you know.

I wouldn't need a key, get the door, cost need a key. Trust me, I'm like trouble, I find the colde and I be in your.

Bes before you.

Too.

You go walking in, like, I don't worry about that four floor.

I'm happy, I got strong arms, I'm happy here, good to see you. That's how you absolutely would be like that.

I know that, so.

Listen and it would change pretty much so good luck to you in your future endeavors. It seems like you got your head on street. As my grandmother would say.

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All right, y'all, moment of truth time. We're talking about legacy. I guess at this point in its totality, not specifically having to do with money, but knowing that that will help to give you some autonomy over your life. So what's your final thoughts on that I got.

I got a lot of thoughts, but this one thought really came to my mind after we had that discussion, is, man, I just don't want to fuck my kids out. MH like legas legacy. Everybody thinks legacies. I did this, I won this many I made this much money. No, man, I have four beautiful humans that came from us too, and I really just don't want to mess them up. I want them to be strong, free, powerful black man,

And that's just that's what legacy means to me.

I love that. Yeah, for me, it's just being more deliberate. I think as our boys get older, speaking specifically about our family, just being more deliberate about the things that I want to pass down to my children, the things that I want them to know and to see and to feel when they think about who am I? Who am I as a person? Where have I come from?

Remember I asked you two days ago, I said, Mom's walking around with a heaviness, Like, what's the matter, Shoot, Grandma's passing.

Yeah, I didn't think about it.

I'm thinking about myself like grandma past, not even thinking about how mom my mom.

Yeah.

I didn't realize the day either until yesterday I was like, oh, shoot, we were actually filming and I was like, oh, shoot, today is the one year anniversary since that my aunt called me and I was like, oh, yeah, I think I know.

I didn't I didn't put together.

Yeah, it might have been the approach to to this, but yeah, So just just thinking about how much how much I am because of the legacy that was instilled in me through my grandparents and my parents, and then how fortunate we are to have my parents here with our children, your parents here with our children, so that they can tell the rich stories and they can, you know, learn the recipes like popa scoop and making sweet potato pies because all the boys love this wee potato pie.

For me is to keep building the capital to give my kids the freedom, give my my wife and kids the freedom in the future, and then also collecting more thinking about more cultural moments and things of that nature that I want to pass down in the future for me.

Got kids right now, I like, yeah, yeah, My My moment of truth is if you aren't thinking about legacy, you just think about uh my moment of truth is if you aren't thinking about legacy, you're only thinking about short term and you're only living in a moment like that is that is?

Yeah, that's really good. See Josh was be coming with the concise points and he'd be like, I don't like to be on camera.

That was good.

Bro's over there asking chat GPT.

We first off, well, first off, first off, if I'm not Secondly, I didn't really get to talk about legacy in this episode having Victoria, so I think about legacy. Legacy is a constant conversation in my household, and I'm constantly thinking about my own legacy because I don't want to poison my daughter with my bad habits, So I think about it constantly, constantly, And Victoria she's a mirror of myself and Annika, and she's her own person.

So I'm constantly thinking about legacy.

So no, it's not Chad GBT you a question, the serious question though, So you think about her being a wife and how she's going to be, like the type of man she chooses.

When you say you don't want to poison.

All of that, I'm thinking about the type of wife she will be, the type of earner, she will be the type of person in society that she will be, and I don't want my bad habits to rub off on her. She said something last week, she was making a video whatever, and she's like, this is my parents. They're so overprotective. And I was just like, I didn't want to ruin her video. But we had a conversation. Well, I talked to Nika afterwards. I was like, yo, Victoria said,

But I had to correct her. I said, Yo, we're not overprotective.

You have a cell phone, right, Like you watch almost anything that you watch that's age appropriate, right, Like you know you you go on.

Playdas with your friends, we take you out. You're not overprotective.

I said, what you what we are is protective of you, right, And I don't want you to misconstrue that with being overprotective, because people who are overprotective, I know you see them when they get to college.

They on girl wow.

And having a daughter, you're thinking constantly, thinking about the things that the decisions that I make, the things that I say to her, the way that I acted, I treated her mom, the way we treat each other is going to literally have an effect on her because it is a direct representation of what she sees every single So.

Legacy is constant.

Anika talks about it almost almost to a fault because you know her own like how she grew up her parents right, and we want Vitoya's life to be easier than what we had, and we want Victoria to make her children's lives easier than what we made for her.

So I want to touch on that of what that looks like.

Yeah, a father to a daughter, because I only know from a father to a son, and sometimes I'll say the kay, like you do realize how you behave is how the kids are going to view women.

So their ideas of what women are supposed to be coming from you.

Hearing you say that from a father to a daughter, I could see how like that's a lot of pressure because you're hoping that your daughter at some point gets in front of a man or deals with the type of men and she understands what.

The type of protection looks like and what love looks like.

Yeah.

And it's different for boys because I can hit my boys in the chest and be like, man, you can't do that with your Yeah, yeah, I want to.

I want to ask you after I ask you some question.

There was a quote on Instagram.

I'm sorry, I want to make this too long, but there was a quote, but there was a videos on Instagram and it was the the joy of the daughter or the future of the daughter. Her happiness is a direct result of how her mom is, like how her mom is, her mom's happiness. And I think we had a conversation about this.

While I.

Want to make sure that I'm not making my wife miserable, so my daughter doesn't become miserable, you know what I'm saying.

It's a crazy concept to have, But.

Victoria's Victoria's direct influence from women is her mom.

It's not a crazy concept. It's the truth.

I said the same thing, right with single moms who raised boys, who end up raising the type of boys that the fun boys are, the same men that they hate.

It's the same thing. A dude has a responsibility.

You have a daughter, Your daughter is going to end up dating the same type of dude you are, because that's all she sees is a man. If you a fuck boy, your daughter's gonna end up with a fuck boy unless she has a mentally strong mom who points out the fact that that's not how all men behave. But then even in that, you're her father, her mom saying anything, you're still her father. So it's interesting to me because now I'm thinking about the type of women

We talk about this with our.

Sons, right, and I'm like, hey, have mothers who take care of them. So it's just interesting to.

Hear a father's perspective your daughters like that. We know we've talked about that.

I want we should do a podcast about that, triple Can you write that down, because I'm really starting to see a big thing with now. I see why daddy issues matter and people think that it's it's just something that people say, but it's not. It's not like how girls see men directly correlates to their father. Same thing with sons and their mom.

I'm here to change the legacy that Triple has for me, I think I need to rely on chat GBT to generate my own thoughts.

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Legacy. My moment of truth is.

Lately I've been thinking about even if I don't become a parent, there's a lot of uh kids in my life that I do have an influence on. I have nieces and nephews, my friends, my close friends have children who look up to me.

So yeah.

I try to do my best every day and leave the best impression that I can at the people that are watching.

So yeah, because they're always watching them little kids, they're always watching. They're always watching. All right, y'all be sure to follow us on Patreon if you have not, shout out to our Patreon Ganggang, we Love you. You can see the after show there, as well as more exclusive Ellis ever After content and family content. Don't forget about that, and you can find our new Instagram page. Please follow if you haven't Ellis ever After on Instagram. You can find me at Kadeen I am.

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