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make you need derby most days. Wow. And one more important thing to mention, we're married. We are. We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of life's most taboo topics, things most folks don't want to talk about through the lens of a millennium married couple. Dead as is the term that we say every day. So when we say dead ass, we're actually saying facts, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Were about to take pillow talk to a whole new level. Dead

Ass starts right now. I have so many stories of times that we've worked together, but I think I'm going to tell a story that has a balance of of you and I doing something collectively but individually at the same time, right, So this had to be I think it was two thousand and fourteen. Two thousand and fourteen, yes, because we're planning for my thirtieth birthday. It's around that time, mother, your birthday. But during this time you had just booked

was it. It wasn't Puggle Trouble you had booked Oh no, um Slick had just booked you as key here and makeup for another project he was doing before Puggle Trouble. And at the same time, I was working on Power but also turning over to m pact Plex from Aviator commercial series with him. Yes, and you was also doing um Color and Contour by k. We were doing a thousand things at one time. Yes, And it's important. It's important to discussed this because Jackson was three, so we

were also balancing getting him prepared for uh preschool. And we were living in the apartment in Crown Heights. But my business at the time was in flat was close by far Rockaway and we were moving it over to Canarsi. And the reason why I'm telling this story is because Codeine was working in Bushwick and had early mornings. Okay, so this this story is hilarious. We're both exhausted because Codeine was working color and contour by K, which means

she was still doing makeup artistry for weddings. I was transferring my business from one gym to another. We still had Jackson going to her parents house at night in Carnarsi, and I was still taking clients super early in the morning. I had Daniel Jane super early. I think it was five o'clock training session. I took Daniel, came back six o'clock, went to lay down. I was supposed to wait Cadine up for her going to um her cold time, and both of us knocked out. Then all I hear randomly

is and then I pop us that what happened? Cone goes, I'm late you were supposed to be. Yeah, I kind of woke up with like minutes to get to say it was. It was like she was like she just knew she was going to be ridiculous. And we had Jackson sleep in the apartment and I was like, babe, you can't, like you can't get on the train. I'm going to have to just drive you. So as kid, you not. Codean wakes up, She grabs all of her makeup,

everything and stuff like that. She called, who are you working Peaches At the time, it says this was, yeah, I think this was your your confusing the years. This is when we did do um Bruno. It was Bruno. Okay, so it was bunch You sure it was Bruno? Okay, So it was Bruno. So I'm confusing that we did

a lot of stuff. But imagine all the stuff we have going on at the same time, and you wake up in the morning and you're supposed to be a set in fifteen minutes, and we had to go down to all into bush with So she's getting ready, getting made up, she's making phone calls. I'm grabbing all of the makeup. She's telling me, I'm yelling it out. I grabbed our three year old. I have him, I have

I have the makeup. I'm running downstairs. And the funny thing about where we lived was we had alternate side of the street parking and we always had to move the car, so we had to we had to park like a block and a half away. So I run downstairs and I have the baby in the car seat and I have to go outside, and it was cold, it was cold, and I'm like, I don't want to run outside with the makeup and the baby. So I run downstairs. I'm in the four year part of our

building and I call upstairs. I'm like, hey, you know what's up. I said, I can't take the baby to the car. You gotta run downstairs. She runs downstairs, watch the baby. I go run, get the car, bring the car back in front of the building. Parked the car in front of the building. Then I start moving the baby in front the car. Let it warm up. I moved the makeup. She runs back up stairs to get finished done. She runs back downstairs. We jump in the car.

We're flying down Marcus Garvey Boulevard to get to UH to get down to Bushwick. We then here's the crazy part. She got to set. I think it was ten minutes later than her cold time, but was still there before everybody else. And the reason why I wanted to tell that story is because when you're a business owner, you have to know how to pivot, but you also have to rely on your partners. We were both exhausted. I had just had a client at five o'clock, came back

to take a nap. I was supposed to be able to sleep during that time while she got up and got things moving. But we both woke up late and I end up having to jump up and help k get there. And the best part about that story in that day, I don't even know if you remember this, was she got done later than she was supposed to

and I had another client, but I had Jackson. She had to run back from set to meet me all the way in at the apartment to reprieve me so that I could get from the apartment all the way over to aviator to take a client. That whole day was just constant running through traffic, running here to get times and beat deadlines and Codeina and I did it together, like it seemed like a blur, and even telling the

story seems like a blur. But that was our day that those were our like tuesdays, like that's just what it was. And having a partner, someone you can rely on even when you don't want to do things. It's the best part of doing things with your spouse. Well, we're moving on up duty side, looks in the sky, we're moving on duty. Sad we foully got up piece of the path, bitch, don't Friday to kitchen beings. Don't burn on the grill. Took a lot to Ryan to just get up. Now we're up in the bigg done.

Get my turn at best as long as wrong with that. I love it, I love it. That's one of my favorite songs. We moved down up together. That's that's part about it all. Yes, we're moving from the fourth floor apartment in the Heights to a home in Atlanta. Love it, love it, love it all. Right, let's take a quick break.

We're gonna come back to storytime and dive into the show. Alright, we're back, man, that story how many That was just one story, but so many moments of us trying to build and trying to work together, trying to be entrepreneurs but also be parents and also these spouses and everything else in between. And I'm thinking back to that moment when I jumped up and I was like, damn, like

I'm about to be late. And it was like day two of shooting him, like there's no way that the key makeup artists and here stylus can be late to set because you don't want to be the one responsible for anybody being late to anything. Um, But it was just perfect to be able to have my friend a k a. My business partner, my husband jump into action, because think about it, if I didn't have somebody to do that with, what would that have looked like for me?

To be honest, I don't even even when I think back when some of the things we have had to do during that time, I don't know how we did it. Like I don't. People ask me all the time, like what you know, give me some tips on building a

business and give me some tips. You have to be super resourceful, right, but at the same time, you have to have like this unyiel olding ability to see things before they come to fruition, like you and I used to sit down and and this is important when you have a business partner, right, you constantly have to have check ins with your business partner. And I'm not talking

about your life partners, just your business partner. Because I've had multiple businesses with different people and we used to have checkens every other day, every two to three days. It's okay, where is the business? How is your mental health? Like what's going on? When your business partner is somebody that you enjoy spending time with, it's easier to cultivate a business in so many ways because that time that you normally spend with your business partners can can typically

become contankerous if you don't like each other. Well, I think, yeah, liking each other I think has a lot to do with it, but also to having a common goal, right, yes, yeah, work you know, business partners. For the most part, if you're going to be entering into the business space with someone, you would like to think that they can get along, they can work well together, and they have a common interest. What's the common denominator going to be between the two

of them? They want to be able to make this business lucrative. But I think what helps, particularly building a business with your spouse, is that you can both see the greater good for the entire family, for the legacy. That was something that we always you know, it was important to us to make sure that we were working to build a legacy not for just ourselves and our families to make them proud, but for our children and

our future family. Um. So at the time, we definitely um kind of riley behind each other because in the areas where I knew that I lacked, you had the strength. So, for example, between the two of us. You have more of the business acumen, right, I'm more of the administrative. You know, give me the task to scape everything organized, structured, So where you tend to be a little scattered, I compliment with a lot of scattered. I tend to compliment

that with the organization. So that worked out for us. So separating your work life from your home life can be a struggle, especially now with a lot of people working from home. So things have definitely taken a turn. Um. I think people are trying to find new innovative ways to start different businesses because you know, look at where we've fit for the past two years, and that separation only leaves more challenges when you work with the person

you live with. But I mean working towards a shared goal, like I said, with your spouse has a lot of lasting benefits for a marriage when it's done with love, intention, and a lot of patience. So we did a podcast a while back talking about how to separate, you know, um, work from home. I don't want to talk about that today.

What I do want to talk about today is how Codeine and I were able to build, Like how we're able to sit down and say, let's create a business that is going to be advantageous for both of us to live the lifestyle we want to live. And I want to talk about this because a lot of people always ask me how did you get started, especially in entrepreneurship, How did you get started? When did you know was the right time for you to take the lead from

a nine to five to go on this? And when I really sat back and thought about it, I was never in a position to to working nine the five. Neither one of us ever were. From the time we were eighteen, we always talked about the life we wanted to live. And I think that's the key that I want people to understand when you meet someone and you and you talking about your aspirations for life. Right, legacy was at the forefront for both of us. You know.

We we talked about what we wanted individually, and one thing Kadin and I always said was we wanted to have autonomy over our time. That was like a paramount. Yes, yes, like we we said we wanted to be able to travel. We wanted to be able to take our children places and travel, and we wanted to be able to give our children something when they become adults to say here you. You don't have to jump into the hamster wheel of

life in order to see your dreams come true. Mom and Dad created this for you so you can take kit. So the first thing I will say to people is if you're you're dating someone, or you meet someone you're in love with, or you're married, there has to be a common goal that's legacy driven in order for it

to work. If it's not legacy driven, the business won't work because if it's not legacy driven and you both can't gain from it, there's always gonna be that resentment for what we did this for you, you know what I'm saying. So for example, and um, I had this conversation with a young lady. Then I met south By Southwest. She said she had a boy she has a boyfriend, and her and her boyfriend both have They were at the south By Southwest. I think it was tech. I

think it was the tech summit. And they were both really good at tech. But they had different ideas and they both wanted to use the other to help build their idea And the reason why they struggled they couldn't agree on which idea to do, which idea to do first, Which idea was more important. So for two years they both been working on their own ideas separately. But she asked, She said, at what point did you and Codeine decide which one was going to go first, your acting career

or her hosting career. And what I explained to her was we let life decide which was gonna come first. Right for us, it wasn't we have to do this for Devout first and then Codeine, or we have to do this for Cadein first and then Devout. When we graduated from college, the NFL came. So at that point, Codeine and I knowing that legacy was what we wanted to put forth in the forefront. The NFL was never

my dream. Makeup was never Codeine's dream, but we knew that we had to create a revenue stream to give us autonomy over our time to face our dream. So if the NFL was going to help us get autonomy over our time, we both put all of our energy in that direction. And I wanted to ask you, how did it feel. Did you feel like your your dream was being deferred or did you feel like this is what we have to do in this moment to get

to where we want to be. It's a good question. Yeah, I think that, like you said, having had certain things happen in a certain time frame in order for us definitely dictated how we had to defer or how we had to divide our attention. Um. One thing that I never felt ever was any kind of oppression when it came to my goals or my dreams. I knew at

some point it would have to happen. If anything, there was a conflict that I may have had internally, because like we said, we have this list of things that we should be doing by a certain time or a certain age or a certain point where it's just like, man, if I'm not actively working on this right now, then I'm I'm failing or I'm not meeting those benchmarks in

this particular time frame. So if anything, I might have felt a little bit like, damn, you know, I don't want to lose my space in what could potentially be the opportunity right now. But I also understood that the field that I was getting into, those opportunitiptunities can come and go. You just have to kind of get people all start it. So how did you how did you deal with that conflict? Like, because we have never we've and guys, this is We've never had this conversation ever.

We're having it for the first time, so I'm actually interested, Like, how did you deal with knowing that, okay, because you wanted to be on TV and TV is a young person's game, and it's like, well, de VAL's getting an opportunity in the NFL now, and I'm going to support him and that. How did you deal with saying, let me just wait a little bit, or did you feel like my time is gonna come, let me focus on what I can do. I was okay with with sitting back for a little bit. Um. I think I needed

the break. Haven't been in school for consecutive years since I was like three years old, So I was okay with taking a little bit of a break. I did feel a little bit of a pressure from my parents, though, because my mom and dad were expecting the minute she graduates, she should be landing a job, she should be making some money, she should be doing something and not sitting

around just kind of waiting for things to happen. Um. But I already knew because you and I always kind kind of had these horse blinders on whenever it comes to us and dreams what we want. So those horse blinders that I had on, I just felt like, this is where we had to focus our energy. Develop is in the position in this moment to optimize what could potentially be the beginning, the nest egg, the foundation for a lucrative life in the end or in the long run.

So I was totally cool with sitting back for a little bit. UM. I felt like my time was going to come regardless once I started to invest in that. UM. But I know that's what you needed in that moment, and you were the one that was in in a in a situation that was already moving. So let me just sit back and help you sprint through that movement, you know. So this is what's what's crazy. If you have been following us for years, you know that Codein and I have discussed every part of our plan with

each other before we executed it, every single part. The first date we went on UM, when she came to my room on October with the two thousand and two, I said to Codein that I wanted to be an actor, and Codeine asked me at that moment, how how you on doing that? And then Codeine and I sat down this this is the first date, the very first day, and I said, well, my plan is to graduate. Once I graduate, I won't have any debt because I'm going to school for free um IF And at the time,

the NFL wasn't a guarantee. But I had said to Codeine, and I said, if I could make a practice squad, I could make a hundred thousand dollars in four months. Without a hundred thousand dollars, I could have a down payment on a brownstone or a two family home. I would want to live downstairs in the basement part of it, rant out the upstairs part. This way I didn't have to be a starving artist and then focus on my

craft of of being an artist. The reason why I tell you that part of the story is because so said, so done when it came to Codeine and I when the opportunity came up. This was part of our plan that we talked about when we were eighteen. The NFL

is here. Let's put all of our energy, not just devows energy, Cadine's energy and house energy into preparing for the NFL, Which means when I woke up early in the morning for training sessions, Codeine was up making breakfast when I had to drive to Paris and I was exhausted, Codeine got in the car and drove with me to Parissy. When I got injured or hurt. Codeine had invested all of our energy into making sure that this part of

our dream. Even though this part of our dream wasn't for both of us, this was for me to do this part. We both were invested in it. And the reason why I tell our stories because there's so many times in business where your partner maybe the lead and you have to be the person that aids and support of that part of the business. And an issue that a lot of people have with having a business partner is everybody wants to be the lead all the time. And I know firsthand that sometimes you're not going to

be the lead. Right case in point, when things flipped when I was just building my business with Elite Prototype Athletics and trying to build my business with my brother, and I didn't have any money coming in, Codeine was in a position to be the lead. She was going to interview for her job at matt. I woke Codeine up, we got her prepared, I drove her to her interview. I sat outside and waited for her. She came right

out and said, I got the job. But at that point, it was time for me to take a step back, right Codeine was going to work every day and I was at home with Jackson, being a stay at home dad. And when you talk about knowing that you had to defer your dream in a moment, because it was my moment to be in the forefront those moments, I remember sitting home and and if I'm being honest, it was it was tough for me because I always number one

dealing with being a man. I felt like, man, I should be doing more to help my wife, Like my wife is outside working and I'm at home watching our son. Like it just didn't. It felt like I was wrong, you know. But I had to put my pride a side and understand that we needed health insurance and Cadine was the only way for us to get health insurance with the child. So I had to be present in that moment to just be home with Jackson. You know. I think the flip flop that tends to happen with

business and spouses is necessary. I also think that it's helpful because there's list of the opportunity for resentment. I feel like to kind of move in or for you for one person to feel like they're doing more than the other, or because that tends to be issue in business all a lot, you know, one person feeling like the other person is not pulling their weight or doing their fair share, or what person feels overworked or underappreciated

or things like that. So I feel like having that flip flop in our history definitely put both of us

in different shoes at each time. So we felt what it was like to be at home and kind of feel a little helpless, and then we also felt what it felt like to be empowered and say I got this, I had this for the and then we had the support role we played which was also very important, and Jackson got time with his parents in different capacities and stuff, um which I know I always used to feel guilty about because I felt like, damn, like I'm missing out

all this time with my son. And the way Develo would put things in perspective for us, um and even now to this day, is that you know there's years that when the kids are younger, they're not necessarily remember that's not being around and the grind and that sacrifice but it will count to the years later when they're older and we have the autonomy over our time. So now that we're we can go to games and we can pick up from and stuff. So that was also a great benefit that we had from just you know,

tag teaming and building along the way. And I'm glad that you you brought up those years of grinding because that's going to lead me into the next part of having a spouse. Right when you're building a business, there

are gonna be years. I think the average business doesn't start to get into the black or make money until year three, which means and and listen to me, entrepreneurs, right, there is nothing wrong with having a nine to five or a steady job, because that nine to five and steady job is what funded our business in the beginning. I can't say that enough. So much, so many people talk down about having a nine to five. There is nobody in this world unless you came from a wealthy

family that started a business without having a job. First. You get what I'm saying, because in order to start a business, you need capital. In order to make capital, you have to work. And that's one of our Elis models. The boys. If you ask them right now, why do you go to work? They say, to build capital? Why do you need capital to make your money work for you? When you have a spouse or a partner, that's when you're building a business. We see what the dream is.

We see what the dream is. Right, we're in alignment. Okay, So if you have to go to work to help with the alignment and I have to go to work to help with the alliwe I meant we're doing this together.

And the best part about having a spouse is those days where your spouse is sitting on the edge of the bed like the fox standing out staring out the window with the eyes bloodshot, having someone to rub your back and say come on, baby, come on baby, like like we we know why we're doing this, we know exactly what it is, and feeling like you're not alone.

One thing I'll say about having a great spouse is I never step into anything, whether it being audition, a new business practice, a new thought, a new idea, um going even going to my kids school. I never feel alone because I got someone with me. So because I got someone with me at all time, I never feel like I can fail. You know what I'm saying, I

think it's that much easier for sure. Absolutely, absolutely. A lot of times there's risks that I want to take, and I have a bad habit personally of talking myself out of things and self sabotage and saying, you know, it's not really a big deal. I don't I'm not going to do that anymore. It's not really gonna work out. And just being able to run it by someone who I know UM would be just invested as I would be in that particular process or whatever it may be,

UM makes it just that much easier. And he's also the one that will give me the kick in the ass because you know, our work ethic and our drive and our discipline is different. That can be frustrating in itself when it comes to a business, which we've spoken about before, but UM, I mean having you to do it with his great I wonder how many husband and wife owned businesses there are there. I think the stats got the stats, because that's interesting to know how many

are are building businesses together. According to the National Federation of Independent Business, they're approximately one point two million husband and wife owned small businesses nationwide back in two thousand three, and after that probably has grown since definitely. Recent studies oh that the work related support from spouses contributes to work family balance and is linked to higher family statisfaction

and satisfaction. However, these benefits are twice as great for couples who share the same occupation or workplace than for those who do not, and findings also suggests that couples, including those not in the same work or the same occupation or workplace, can help foster stronger work life balance

by providing work life work related support. Learning about a spouse's industry or job role, particularly if it's unfamiliar in trying to socialize with each other's colleagues outside of the office, can make it easier for couples to share their days. All right, So let's talk about this. I am going to let people into a little secret, right of the power of women. M HM, Codeine and I go places together. Right, I walk in Codeine walks in Codein works the room

like nobody else. You want to know why women are a lot more receptive to other women? Right? How many friends have you made? And then afterwards you'll be like yo, her husband does X, Y Z. And then before we knew it, we're on a full marriage play date and I'm meeting her the husband and now we're starting a business together. Now I got a blind date with Who's Who's this dude? Corny? That's always the question. I'm like, Yo, whoever does I'm introduced? If they corny? I'm not trying

to do this. But you work rooms, and because in spaces where this opportunity for networking, you just never know who knows who, and then it becomes a point when you need people to know who you are because there are opportunities that can arise where he's like, yo, I met a guy, I met, I met this lady and she might be the ones to be able to help with whatever it may be. So yeah, that's usually how it happens, because you know so, I like to say the valid social butterfly. I'm good and I like people

and I want to talk and make friends. Listen, I I I am a social butterfly, and I'm not gonna sit here and say that I wouldn't be successful on my own. You the same way would be successful on your own. But when you have a partner, like I don't think people understand how difficult it is to start a business on your own. Like, it is extremely rare to watch someone by themselves start a business. You either need a partner for capital, you need a partner for

business acumen, you need a partner for just support. So when you have a wife or a husband who shares in the same values of business, things just happen at a lot quicker pace. But I have to continue to put emphasis gentlemen when you when you go with places, you know how they have these in movies. There's always like, you know, when you know you got to come with me to this event? You know why it's you know

there's going to be other spouses there. The reason why they bring their spouses are to forge those relationships outside of the workplace, because people typically tend to work with people that they like. And I can't emphasize this enough. That's either where it starts. Absolutely trust anybody. Do I even like you enough to want to converse with you on a fairly regular basis. So if you want to

write something down, write this down. Though. If you're looking to build a business, the first thing you have to build our relationships within the industry that you are trying to build. Debate the business because you you don't understand the ebbs and flows, the peaks and the valleys of this business. And unless you're willing to learn about the business from people who have already been successful, you won't

be successful in the business. And sometimes your personality, regardless if you're an introvert or extrovert, may not fit with the other person's personality. But if you have a spouse who is different than you, some one of you are going to know how to before affords that relationship and create a bond that can help you build a business. It's great. There's there's not that level of having to penetrate and learn anybody. It's like, okay, don't give the

value business cards. Give it to me because by the end of the night, little things like that, it's just like, oh um, you want this done like right now. Don't ask it because she's gonna find something else to do before she gets it done. So give it to the value you know. It's just it's just way where smoother when we can just know ahead of time who will be better equipped in what moment to do what. So I get that, and I had I had an older

gentleman tell me a little tidbit. Remember when I was working at pact Plex and then went into partial ownership with the gym in the court. I met a lot of successful businessmen during that time, and one thing they told me was, you know, they tend to only want to do business with someone who's married. And I was like, wow, that's like, why, why would that have to be a prerequisite.

And they said to me, play the simple people who are married and continue to be married, show that they can communicate through adversity, show longevity, show mental fortitude, and show discipline. And I was like, and then he said, it's older, older, white gentleman. He said, a business is no different than the marriage. They're gonna be ebbs of ebbs and flows. They're gonna be times where there's miscommunications.

You can tell when someone knows how to communicate when them and there, when them, them and their spouse come to an event and we don't know what happened in the house prior to, but that there is a unified front. That's someone who I would want to do business with because I know, when it's all said and done, they're going to protect the interests of the business as opposed to trying to protect their own personal interests. And I

never thought about that. But listening to older wealthy people talk, it's very simple. They like, listen, nothing is to be perfect in business, nothing is going to be perfect in the marriage. But when you can put forth a unified front and do what's good for the collective good of the entire business the same way you do it for your family, that's someone I want to work with. And I'm just like, wow, So marriage is really a practice for being a good business partner. Because how many times

have we said that marriage marriage is a business. Lots of similarities there, and I want people to under like to understand when we because this podcast, I want people to have a takeaway because there's so many married couples who say, I love my husband, I love my wife, but we just don't have time with the kids, and we don't have time because we both work and no, no, no no, no no, And I say, and they always say to me, we're thinking about starting a business so

that we can have more time. But then they can't find a business to start, or they don't know even know how to start looking or how to start a business with each other. I would say, you have to think legacy first. You have to think about what is going to require what what business has a low barrier of entry? And a low barrier barrier of entry right means that you know, how much is it gonna cost for me to get into this business? How difficult is it going to get for me to penetrate this market.

So when you look at the barrier of entry, it's like m say, for example, I want to get into marijuana. There that's a high barrier of entry because you have to have at least seven figures to UM get a license. You have to have someone with political capital, and then you also have to have someone with I think it's social social equity, so you have to have someone that's related to you, has to have already done time in

the federal penitentiary for UM a marijuana based crime. Because what they're doing first is they're giving those people an opportunity to reap the benefits from marijuana now that it's legal, after having done time. So that and I just use it as an example of all of the barriers that may stop you from getting into an industry if you don't know. So you can't just wake up and just say, oh, I want to just get into the marijuana business. You

have to research. See where there's a deficit. I feel like by now we should have been able to get into something with the baby relations and baby products because we have so many damn kids. I'm like, ship, we should have started some business inventors when I go with every sorry this is so totally sidebar, but with every damn baby that we have, there's something new out there. De Vo's new favorite is which product? Which one? What's your favorite product with the CODA that we didn't have

with other Oh the nasal spray. Well, that's my favorite car seat. Oh that car seat is fired because it's just a car seat that when you pull it out, you hit a button and the wheels fly out and it's a strolling so I never have to transfer from the car seat to the stroller and then the folds up and put it in the trunk. I don't gotta do that anymore. There's no base bumble and bumble with a double. But you know what's funny, that's that's a

great segue. If you, as a married couple, look at your life right and you say to yourself, what could make my life better? That's a business you might want to look into getting into. See because you know, it's something that it's something that you know you need, which means if something you need, there's a great chance that a lot of people needed And if you haven't found anything in the market that can help you with it,

maybe that should be a business you can create. And in order to be it's important for people to know it's in order to be a successful business, you have to create a product or a service that's in high demand. Right, write this down right. It doesn't matter if you're doing a business by yourself or with your spouse, but if you're creating a business, it has to be in high demand. And I don't mean high demand amongst you and your friends, I mean high demand amongst the world out there at

some point to see who exactly would be interested? Yes, just be out here creating ship and then starting business is all really knew, who's gonna want that? Anyway? Who's going and people people do that. People just say I'm gonna start this business, and it's like, why I'm gonna make a sport business? Why are you making a sport business? I like sports, and I don't see a lot of sports. You know, I don't see a lot of sports because you don't only need in the world. I like sports.

Nobody else eats with sports after six years old. Okay, do not start a sports actually really cool. They're the best for fruit cups because you can kind of stick it, you know what. I think about sports, But I think about the sports fights we used to have in the cafeteria where you bend the tip of the sports cause and then you snap it and you try to break the other person's sports all that was a big deal for about four You create this in the strong sports.

But we're getting off topic here, but I think it's important for people to realize that starting a business with your spouse is imperative if you want to build a legacy for your family, because you're you're if you just work. This is the truth. The American dream is not about working until you're sixty five and retiring. The American dream

has always been about ownership. Right. So the only way you can really pass something down to your children so that they don't get stuck in the same cycle that you live in is if you own your business. Right. There's a difference between owning a business and just being a quote unquote an entrepreneur. Right, Like, for example, Codeine worked at mac and she was makeup artist. And you're a makeup artist, a freelance makeup artist. You're an entrepreneur.

But if you didn't own Color and Contour by K and create your own program and create your own products, you wouldn't have owned that business. The business would have died when you died. Same thing with Prototype. Right. I created Prototype and I was training. I was an entrepreneur, but I didn't have access to my own time because I had to train people on their time, which means ultimately I didn't have an employee, but I had clients. I can't pass that business down to my kids if

I don't create a business around training. See a business structure building, And this is where I want to, you know, take us to the next part before we start to wrap up. But owning and creating a business with your partner is not just creating something where you just make your own money. It's creating something that's transferable between the two and then your kids if something were to happen

to you. And you have to understand how important that is, because I could be a great trainer and I could make seven figures training people, and it's my own business. Right, But if I'm building a business with my partner, and my partner doesn't train people, and I don't duplicate myself, and I don't have other trainers to train. If I don't get a ant mortar spot and create a gym or something, if I die, the business dies with me.

And I think it's important for people to understand that what businesses is that if you really want to be a business person, you have to own it. You have to own the licensing, you have to own the building, you have to own the programs, and it has to be transferable between you and your partner and then your children. That is a part of business that people don't understand because I do have a lot of a lot of men, but your own my own business. Men. I'm an entrepreneur,

I'm a trainer, I have my own time. And I said that do you really own your business? Hm? And they say, well, what do you mean? I said, well, you're bragging about not having an employee because you train in the park. But if you're clients has to meet at a different time, you're you're stuck, right, you have to do something. If it rains outside, where are you gonna train? And then they're just like, I didn't think about that. I said, do you so, do you really

own your business? Do you really own your time? And owning your business? And one in your time is also about the the the time value of money. And I have to uh, I have to attribute this to my one of my best friends, blow Right Balau, worked at black Rock for years, which is the number one financial firm in the world, and he makes a lot of money. And he was just like development, I'm you know, I got to do something else. And I was like, I was like, broa you make And this was before anything

ever took off for us. And I was like, you make over half a million dollars a year. What are you talking about? And he said, but you know how much time I put into this work. I don't go to sleep until late and I have to wake up early. So what's the time value? Like, what's what's the time value? And I was like, what do you mean? He says, I may make a lot of money, but if it takes me a lot of hours to make a lot of money, it is it? Thank you? Is it worth it?

So he was like, what you have to do is figure out how many hours you want to work in a day. And this is going to bring us to working with your partner. When you figure out how many hours you want to work in the day, how much money do you want to make during those hours? So what is the value of the hour you want to put in the day? Is the value of the hour you want to put in the day fifty an hour, which may be good for some people, or is it

five hundred dollars an hour? Because the more value you put on each hour and the more money you can make during that amount of time, the more money you can make in less amount of time, ultimately giving you autonomy over the time you don't want to work. And that's when they started to hit me when it came to training. And I'm gonna tell you how Codeine and

I apply this very principle to our businesses. I think we were applying it not knowing that we were applying it at this time, Right is now that I think about, I'm like, wait, this was after we had this. I'm gonna tell you how you applied it and didn't even realize it. Codeine was doing makeup and I'm gonna give you round numbers. Right, she was doing makeup, she was doing brides and bridemaids, bridesmaids, and she was just like, Okay, it may take me an hour to do a bride.

It may take me already minutes to do a bride's maid. What I can do is I can charge the bride'smaids a certain amount fifty dollars per face, and I can charge the bride a hundred dollar. I'm using point. You know, don't make artist to charge. Yeah, don't don't, but I'm just doing it for them to understand. So you have ten bridesmaids at fifty five hundred dollars and then you have your bride us a hundred dollars. That's an extra

hundred dollars. That's six hundred dollars you made, right. So now it may take you five to seven hours to do all of that and you can't do another wedding in that day. Or you can teach your sister Sakari how to do makeup, and she took the bride'smaids using your program and your style so that they got the same person doing their face, duplicating yourself, duplicating yourself. And then you paid Sakari her portion for that hour so that you can get it done faster and then take

another wedding. This way, you duplicated the amount of money you can make in one day, which means you made more money in that hour by duplicating yourself and did less work. And that's how you build a business because now the business is not dedicated or predicated on just your talent. It's on your mind. The real talent is in your mind. And if you can teach people how to do what you do and learn to relinquish that

power to them, you can duplicate the business. Yeah, because a lot of times it doesn't see you think that it's a money grab, Like let me see how many you know things I could do in a certain amount of time where it's a day I'm gonna run here, I'm gonna run the inn, and you run yourself ragged. Not putting together a business structure or a model can help you to be more efficient, have more time. It

may cost you a little bit to investment. Yeah, that's the investment which you're paying out, but in the return is larger because you can take on more. And it's important that you if you have a business partner right, Codeine was able to invest in her sister and the first couple weddings probably didn't make as much money as she would have and she's done it by so. But when you have a business partner who has another stream of revenue coming in, you're not so focused on the

money grab You're letting the business build. Because the greatest asset to a business is not marketing that you put on the internet or commercials. It's word of mouth. It is the great experience that people have to each and every time. You have to provide a service that people are willing to talk about and share with other people. And if you do that, your business is going to grow. But it's difficult to do that if you're trying to do the business by yourself, because now you have to

worry about every single dollar. One thing I will say about business is the more time you put into building the business is better than the energy you put into making money. It's the more time you put into building the business is more important than the energy you put into just making the money. When you have a partner who's also making money and can provide on the back end while you build a business, it allows the business

to grow. Coadine was working at MAC and had all of the finances covered if we needed her to cover them. While I was building Prototype. The first year and a half of Prototype, I made no money, but I invested tens of thousands dollars and buying laptops from my brother and I to be able to get everything together, building the program, taking clients for free, so that I at least have a baseline to show people this is what

my work is. And I wouldn't have been able to do that if I didn't have a partner who was bringing in revenue on the other side. So I had the comfort to take a chance on that absolutely tagging each other in. And I think that it's important for people to know that when you have a spouse and you can put these these little bits and pieces together and continue to work and and bounce ideas off, but most importantly encourage each other. That's how you get a

business to grow. But make no but, but make sure if you're ever building a business, especially with a spouse, make sure that the business is transferable so that if something happens to you or your spouse, the business can continue to go on. You know, we just talked about Dr Grossman, our dentist just recently passed away. Rest in peace, Dr Grossman. But he created a great business model to where his brother was able to step in and the business is able to thrive still under his brother because

he didn't make the business about about him exactly. Love that tips for success real quick before we get into these listener letters. When it comes to working or building a business with your SMU, not just working but building a business um, money is a large reason a lot of people divorce, y'all, So having an emergency fund in places necessary if cash flow tends to be one of the number one challenges for new businesses, right. I agree with that, And don't be afraid to invest in your

partner if you believe in their dream and idea. I've invested in Codein. Codina has invested in me. And investment doesn't always mean money. You can invest time into a business to help. Investing time means when I'm going to do it administ If I'm going to do a program and Codeine sits there and does all the administrative work from the parents while I'm doing tours. She didn't give me any money, but she invested time and she did it for free, so I didn't have to pay her

as an employee. Keeping it in that so there are ways to help invest in your partner's business without giving money given exactly. Also, be clear about your strengths and weaknesses. Always be very clear about your strengths and weaknesses and how you'll manage them Between the two of you. The temptation is to struggle, is to juggle as many hats

as possible in the beginning. But if you both believe that there are roles that you can't handle, you need to seek help, which I like to always defer if I have to, because the last thing you both want to do is be burnt out, especially in the start

up stage. This is something I will say that I've learned extremely early in starting my business is right relinquished power to those who are better than you at doing what you don't want to do or know how to, because you know how I am a control free When I first started, I'll do administration, I'll create the pamphlet, I'll create the programs, I'll train the kids. And then

after about thirty days I was burnt out. Cadeen was just like, dude, you're not gonna be able to continue like this, And having a partner pointing out to me and say the vow you're terrible at administrative work, why are you standing up there trying to collect names and

addresses from people? Let somebody else do that? And you need a different perspective to tell you sometimes that you're not good at this, so you don't be afraid to relinquish power to those who are better at You're doing things that can help make your business grow, for sure. And if you're not good at something, please also know to observe and compliment each other very three because appreciation

goes a long way with your spouse. Okay, it's an excellent way to just show that you care, you observe, you see. Um. It's a great strengthen your working relationship and allow you both to shine individually within the business union, especially once your team starts to expand do you want to explain your team yet? But remember that the root of it is you, guys. So I have to say this. That is important because spouses typically just say, well, that's

my wife, she's supposed to be doing that. The wives never get to thank you, or the husbands who want to backend working on things never get to thank you. You know, the spouse typically thanks everyone else who is not in their relationship because they feel like they don't have to because they understood thing right. But no, your spouse don't have to either, So make sure that you complement your spouse and let them know that they're appreciated

for the work that they're putting in. No one has to or it has to feel obligated to do these things, so always let your spouse know they appreciate it. Ye. Make sure you both agree on the vision and the bigger picture being on the same page before even launching and diving in together. Make sure you both agree that this is something you guys want. List to your successful business list. What's your successful business affords the both of

you in the long term. Communicate legacy yep. Communicate if you ever start to see things differently, to ensure that the business stays on track to achieving whatever the end gold is. And we talked about all that. Next, work life balance, making sure that the work life balance is a priority so you both can always walk into work with great synergy and walk out of work with great synergy.

Because we hadn't had a lot of those moments where business has taken over and I had to say, Okay, I need to devout my business partner to clock out, and I need my husband to clock and leave it at this doorstep here because we're not talking about it no more for the rest of the night. We talked

about this before. I'm just gonna say it again. There are gonna be times in your business and your marriage where you're not going to agree, understand and learn what your partner's processes, and respect that you chose someone that's going to be able to deliver through their own process. If you're trying to micromanage them to do things through your process, you're going to do yourself and your partner a disservice. If you love them for their process, let

them use their process to help you. For sure, celebrate all of your goals and successes together and be sure to try to keep the mood light and humorous. You know, if you're building a business with your best friend, yes, you know, doing it in the processes and this is this is something I say that we do not just with us, because now building our business has become something

we do with all of our friends. Yeah, it's just a podcast, flies in Josh, Matt, Dave, They're all here and we try to make sure everything is light because you don't want people to come to work and feel heavy. You know, you don't want them to come to work and oh god, I gotta deal with this motherfucker. You want them to enjoy it, you know. And and people work harder for you when they know that you're working with them for the greater good of not just themselves

in the business, but for everyone. So if you have a partner or partners who have their own individual goals, make sure that you also empower them through their own goals while helping you get to yours. Don't diminish the people who are working with you goals to make your goal more important so that you can get the most out of them. That's one thing I also learned when

I was working UH at another location. I'm not going to say, but when I first started, the owner like to diminish everyone else's dreams to make them feel as if they needed to be at his location to have a sense of purpose or to be successful. And what a lot of people did. Will start to come to work and grow resentment because they're like, man, you're right, you're you know, I do need you. You're making all this money, but I don't I don't want to have

to always need you. And I was just like, damn, why would he make people feel that way? And people do that to their spouse. To know what I'm saying, you need me, you want to live this life, you need to do what I say. You know what I'm saying. It's like, Yo, why would you make your spouse feel that way and then expect them to come help you build a dream that you claim is for the both of you? But constantly remind them like you need this.

You know you can't. It doesn't work. You know, it's okay to hold them accountable at times if you feel like they're slacking, but don't just downplay people's importance to make yourself feel bigger or make them feel like they need to be there next. That is back, They don't absolutely because business is something that is definitely optional. It doesn't have to be a thing, doesn't have to be

a thing. But what's not optional it is me getting into them listening letters because you know, I will never leave y'all out. I'll never leave y'all behind. So let's take a quick break. I'm gonna go clear my throat. These allergies are killing me and be back and getting into the listening letters. Stick around, let's get into these listening letters. Sure, I'll get in. I feel like my voice is very moody today, isn't it Okay? Hey, getting into val. I haven't following you both ever since seeing

you on Black Love. Yeah, it's been a minute ago now after years ago with Black Love. Now it was before in six months and we might have and seventeen five years as a matter of fact, yes, wow, because you weren't. We filmed it so that I don't think I know I was pregnant either, just I didn't know. Yeah, I think we found out right after. Or he might have been because Christening was in April. No, it was over this summer and I was like, it was like it was May. So it was May, um Black Levels.

Before that, it was March. Yes, five years ago, Oh my goodness, insanity. IV admired and appreciated your relationship for years. Thank you so much. So I'm looking for some advice. I've been with my boyfriend for nine years, yes, nine whole years, no engagement, no marriage. Were in our early thirties. We have a house and a child. But I feel like he takes me for granted. He doesn't help with any household chores, paying for groce frees or our daughter's

medical bills. He really takes her to and from school, none of that. He's a new full time entrepreneur and a mom's boy, so I feel like his priorities are to work and his mom. He goes to see his mom several times a week and comes home late at night when our daughter and I already sleep. Yes, he's really at his mom's house. I've done driving by a few times to make sureous. I just feel so unappreciated and exhausted. We split the household bills fifty but I

feel like I'm being overlooked. I think if he was making an effort to take me on dates or planning something for us, it made me feel a little bit better. I've resorted to retreating to my imagination where I have a husband who loves me, and as a result, I've lost attraction to my boyfriend. I guess my question is can I get to him? He gotta do better, he gotta do bet not so No, No, I don't even want to read no more. I don't heard enough. She said.

I love y'all, go and pick up on herself. Oh she's like ya, you have to pick up yourself then sixty nobot I make him take your fippy? All right? About the no um, he got to do better. Bro. If once once you have a lady and she has your children, your mom cannot be first, all right? Do they have this debate on Instagram all the time? Who comes first? Your your mom, your wife, or your daughter? Listen, the woman who bared your children come first, regardless, regardless,

like first of all. These dumb debates don't even make any sense to me. Okay, it's like who will get the last piece of chicken at dinner? You know your mom, whoever the is hungry, is gonna get the piece of chicken. Right, that's number one. But we're talking about, right, we're talking about in totality, right, the vast majority of your energy must go to the woman who you are creating a life with. Period. Your mom had someone who she was creating your life with, and that's your dad. That's where

her energy should be. Now that you're a grown ass man, them to need to be doing that. And if he if your dad's not around, she should be focusing on her own happiness and not trying to pull her son away from his responsibilities. And when I say responsibilities, I'm not talking about paying bills. If y'all agreement is to pay, that's fine if that works for you, But he has a responsibility to continue to court that woman and be

a father exact period. Because I would think I would find it strange if one of our boys was sitting at home on my couch. Oh, woman and a child, why why are you here? I guess it would raise questions for me to be like, Okay, so is something going on or you guys have a problems, Like that's the bigger issue. So here's the bigger issue. There was a reason why he's running back to his mom because if he were getting what he needed at home, he

would be at home. And that's for them to figure out, because she did say when I asked him, he says, there's no problem. I'm trying to figure out if maybe I'm not doing something. Am I missing something manly that he needs me to you to make him feel fulfilled? No, no, no, no like this. He has to find fulfillment on his own. But the fact that they don't he she doesn't know, and they're not communicating, that's a problem, right, And it's

been nine years, nine years of this. So here's here's a I don't want to say red flag, but I would call it a red flag typically, And I hate doing the whole typically or generally, because you don't want to speak generally about any one situation because everything is so different. But typically men have said the reason why they haven't proposed yet, or gotten engaged or got married is because they want to make sure they are where

they need to be financially to sustain the house. But you already have a child and bought a home together, so finances don't seem to be an issue. And with that being said, why hasn't he made you his wife yet? And why is he continuing to run home to his mom. These are things that we don't have enough context to create, so I'm not going to try to guess, but these are things that she needs to sit him down and have a conversation for about. You know, that would be

the best place to start. Don't don't tell me nothing is wrong when you're not home and you with your mom. You know what I'm saying, she said when she asked him, he doesn't see a problem with anything, So basically, it's her problem to figure out on her own. And and here's the truth. He may feel that way. If she don't want to live that way, you know what she can do. Chuck the deuces, Chuck chucking the numb, chuck him up right, because it's like, where exactly are things going? Right?

You know, you want me to be at home with your child while you go home and be with your mom. Like that doesn't make any sense? You know what? He he got at a piss complex. You know what that's from. I've read that book. Did you read? Have you ever read? No, I've actually never read it, but I'm talking about baby Guns and butter. Yeah. I remember reading that trilogy when I was cool. Shout out to Tyres and ving Range, Complax, that's not your woman, that's mom woman. And that's what

you know what's funny? If his mom is single, right when she get in man, that's when he's gonna be messed up because when that man start coming around and being like, yo, why is your growing ass son here? And then she's gonna be like, I don't know, baby, you gotta go because you know overhead said that's what's gonna happen. Trust, all right, mama, have a conversation with

be honest, don't care about his feelings. He should have a conversation with you and be honest and don't care about your feelings, because y'all have to say what's really going on, because it's just not cool to see that, especially for that that young baby not having a dad at home. Number two. Hi to Valin Cadeen. I hope you all and your family are doing well. My husband and I have been together for nine years total, with a loot of nine years going on here, married for

two congratulations. We recently turned thirty or another one thirty, been together since the early age, and are looking towards our next steps. The issues we are The issue is we aren't too sure on our next step. Neither of us were certain we wanted children and figured we would be able to make a decision when the time came. All the time has come. The thought of raising children in today's society is daunting, to say the least. You're

talking to the choir um. We are comfortable financially, we have a really strong relationship, and we have no doubt we would be the best parents for our child. However, we have a huge fear of what will happen outside of our household? Wasn't I just talking about this last night? Um? I know you can't protect your children from everything, but I can't lie. Seeing the world as it is makes me not want to subject a child to it at all. What advice would you give a couple struggling with the

decision to start a family. I feel like I need to make a decision because I can, uh, metaphorically, here my clock today. Thanks. And one thing about that clock, it's gonna take. It's gonna take. I would say, it seems as if you've had your mind made up based on everything that she said leading up to this, because I have heard more frequently now from a lot of people, men and women, that they are just not interested in

having children for this very reason. Um. But my question in this, my question is are you going to feel remiss if you didn't have a child at all? You know? Um, that would be where you'd have to start, because I know, for me, for example, the one thing that I knew without of doubt since I was young is that I wanted to be a mother and that was just what

was going to happen. And I felt like us having children together gives me that fulfillment, and we just do the best that we can on a day to day basis. Before we even get into that, I just want to give people perspective that I heard from my grandmother. Okay, we always want to hear her grandmother to say, Nana, probably one of the wisest people, Della May Perry Ellis

said to me we were talking about having kids. This was this is when we were getting married, and I said I was nervous about bringing kids into the world because the world is so different and dangerous. And she was just like dangerous to who to look, how different the world is now than when you grew up, Nana? And she said, excuse me, but I grew up during

Jim Crowe. I grew up during a time when my grandparents were telling us stories of babies were being killed at birth because their parents didn't want them to grow up in slavery. Mm hm, So how how dangerous is

your world? And I was like touchet because because here in my in my little world, in my perspective, my narrow view of what I thought the world was, it was you know, imagine, you know, getting on the bus and have to worry about kids picking on you or you know you made you know, growing up in Brooklyn,

someone made rob your sneakers. And then she said to me, imagine growing up in that same world, and if you look at a white woman, you can be hanging from a tree and they'll have a picnic around you and make postcards about it, and can't nobody do anything about it? So it was the world really worse now than it was then? Imagine imagine living during the time when the

entire world was at war. Mhm. And I had to really sit back and think about the fact that the world isn't any worse off now all than it was during those times. It's just technology gives us access to all of the funked up things that are happening on a daily basis, But that doesn't mean that those things weren't happening. So if you're going to not have children with the mindset that the world is worse and only going to get more worse, it's a very skewed vision

to have. That we're old enough to even understand the concept of what's happening in the world is why we feel that way. Thank you, Thank you, because as a kid growing up, you grew up in a messed up world. We we grew up during the eighties and the nineties in in Brooklyn during the Crack epidemic, bed style do a die. It seemed fine to us, right, But now you don't want your kids to grow up in Brooklyn

because of of GS nine and and gangs. But we grew up during the Crack epidemic, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, don't don't think that's your view of the world is the only view that makes sense. And don't make decisions about what you want to do in life based on only what you see. Let's talk to people, you know what I'm saying before you make a decision about birthing or childbirthing about the world. Really open up

your mind. Here's another thing. Don't look at your phone and think that what you see on your Instagram, your Twitter, your Facebook is the real world. This is just the people you chose to follow, and the things you're seeing is something you curated in your mind, your curated version of what the world is. That's not really the world. What you follow or what you look at what you like, So you have no Seriously, if you follow I'm just

gonna just gonna give you give an example. Say you follow or you click on stuff that happens with police officers killing young black people, right, and that's what you choose to follow. Right. Every day you wake up, your phone is going to the algorithm is going to send you videos and pictures and reminders that this event or these events are happening. What that will do is then create a fear in your mind that that's going to happen to you or your your kids. It's a self

fulfilling prophecy. Right now, I'm not saying to ignore it. You have to be aware that these things are happening. But because of the phone, and because of all of these apps and the fact that they can force feed you information. Seven, when you click on things, or you follow things, or you like things, you're then helping them curate this world and also curating your mind and ideas

of what's happening. So how about you click on something motivational, click on something positive, follow people who can expand your mind to think differently as opposed to just this one narrow minded view of the world. Right. And this is where this is how I got this. My grandmother used to say to my aunts and my mom. Why do y'all sit up here and just watch the news at five talk every day? The news is only going to show you the worst of the worst of what's going

on in the world. They may do a puff piece about puppies at the end, but all you're gonna hear about is death, murder, robbery, And then your mindset is going to be that that's going to happen to because this is all I see. And I was just like, no, Nana is right, Why do I focus so much on the negative when I can utilize my mind to focus

on all the positive things that can happen. And if you think of the world like that, you'd be excited about bringing children into the world because then you'll be excited about curating a lifestyle and curating a life for them that they can see the world bigger than you see it. And you can be the adult in that and be responsible because I mean, as adults too, you want to protect your children and shells with them from

certain things. So that's why it's your responsibility to then make sure that you are curating is a good word, curating a life for your children, and if that means keeping them sheltered from certain things until you feel like they're old enough to experience it, then so be it. That's exactly why Jackson don't have a TikTok or Instagram. A matter of fact, Triple write this down. The next podcast we're gonna do is gonna be why my pre

adolescent teenager or preteen is not getting social media. I'm I want to do a podcast on that because Jackson definitely asked. Jackson asked, and people keep asking why the kids don't have their social media. I want to do a whole podcast on why they're not getting a social media and it's going to be predicated on that, right there, I hear that. All right, y'all, If you want to be featured as a listener letter, be sure to email us at dead s Advice at gmail dot com. That's d E A d A S S A d V

I C E at gmail dot com. All right, we keep it really sure for the moment of truth because we spoke a lot about business, We spoke about doing it with your spouse, um, so many things that we covered in today's episode. Do you have a moment of truth? Yeah? I do have a moment. My moment of truth is this. If you're going to establish a business with your spouse, there are out of great advantages. But the main thing I want people to remember is that that that business

must be transferable to your spouse and your children. If you're really building something about legacy, If you're trying to build something for yourself and it's going to be all based about you, that business is gonna die when you die. So if you're building a business, build a business with legacy at legacy at its foundation, in its root. Sounds good to me, and for me, it's gonna be pretty simple.

I'm just gonna say, learn when to lean into your partner whenever they have their strengths, and when to defer because it's a weakness. No sense in struggling outsourcing for help. Whenever you need help. It may require you outsourcing because neither of you know something about a particular area of

the business. So just leaning on each other when needed. Um, if you can make it a fun experience where you can laugh and you can enjoy the process, that in turn will just help the money to flow and things will flourish. So so first, so good ellis dap me up? Yeah? All right, y'all, please continue to listen, follow us on social media at dead aster podcast and of course I'm continued, I am and I'm devout. And if you're listening on

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