Liz Allan [00:00:01]:
Right. Okay. So I have 2 lovely guests on the podcast today, so I have Yin now. Is it yeah. Oh, god. See, I told you I'd fluff because it is yin yin, isn't it? Rather than yin. Yes. Like, yin yang, basically. Yeah. Of course. Sorry. Right. Sorry, Tom. Tom's my podcast producer. Bless him. Right. Okay. Let's start again. Okay. Okay. I have 2 lovely guests on the podcast today, and I'm really pleased to to kind of meet them properly without lots noise in the background as we did. In January, we had that when we met. So I've got Yin Noe, and I've got Zoey Lin, and they both are head of UK and EU at the China Automotive Alliance. Thank you both of you and amazing to meet you again. Thank you for joining me.
Zoey Lin [00:00:47]:
Thank you, Liz, for having this.
Liz Allan [00:00:50]:
So so as I said, we were we were eve eve magazine live, weren't we, in January? and it was really noisy. And it's really quite it was quite hard to hear, but we it was Johnny Berry, bless him, that introduces, wasn't it? Chadona and actually, I'm talking to you guys before I've even had him on this podcast. So No. Only if you're listening. We've finally finally got a date in the diary, but but we've also tried to speak before anyway, haven't we? But we had we had a few technical glitches So that but that was when you were out in China. But you're back in the UK now. So again, thank you. Thank you. So I'm gonna read a little bit of this because you've both been doing so much. We've had a little chat before we before we started recording. So, yeah, and I'll start with you first. So so your so Head of UK and EU China Automotive Alliance, you're the 2020 21 accelerate her And Google names you as as one of the UK's top inspiring 50 tech leaders. That's another mouthful, isn't it, really? and you're one of the youngest winners of this. How amazing is that? I'm so sorry. You just yeah. And so you've very much a a kind of technical background. Very entrepreneurial. I wrote that specifically because I just thought, well, this girl's an entrepreneur for sure. Founder and CEO of collection where you wanna shell live buy a smarter future award. You join the FinTech Innovation Lab Cohort in 2022. How how would you have time for all this? You go on tech Stars co heart member of 2021 2022, and you co founded PennyChain in 2021. Give me us me. How is that? Like I say, you know, do you actually I've I've asked somebody else this before. Do you actually have time to sleep?
Yin Noe [00:02:39]:
Sleep is something that I do compromise on. But, you know, as as long as I have a passion for what you do, I think it's sort of a very easy thing to go or, like, and ride the wave, essentially.
Liz Allan [00:02:48]:
Oh, absolutely. Now Zoe, so you're also head of ukany, u Yancy River, Delta Automotive Industry China. So you worked at Mercedes in Hong Kong and mark you didn't you're in marketing for McLaren. and this blew my mind. You've got a PhD in AI, artificial intelligence, and human behavior. I mean, come on. That isn't that is like that's such such a memorable thing. I'm probably never ever gonna forget that one.
Zoey Lin [00:03:20]:
Thank you. Yes. It's still in the process of finishing that, but we started working together 6 months ago. with the automotive alliance. And it's like a lot of my previous focus of study as well as work experience. It really Some of that, they are transferrable skills that really help on a lot -- Yeah. -- our current duty.
Liz Allan [00:03:45]:
I was gonna say, so you also said that your family have been in automotive for 25 years in in kind of Hong Kong and China, haven't they? And, you know, so so this being in this type of automotive space, I can imagine it's quite comfortable for you, hopefully.
Zoey Lin [00:04:01]:
Absolutely. I think it was very fortunate that because my family's being the business for so long. They've established kind of like a very close bond with the OEMs, not just the traditional comment actors, but more and more the new up and coming players in the EV sphere for both passenger and commercial par. So they do they are very familiarized with the pinpoints and their solutions for the domestic markets. and of which landed us to looking at a solution of for the overseas market, especially UK and EU. and see whether we could explore bring over more Chinese EV brands as well as their infrastructure
Yin Noe [00:04:52]:
solutions for the market here. So I think now is a good moment to introduce the alliance. So -- Go for it. So, essentially, the alliance is called the Yangtze River Delta Automotive Industry Chain Alliance. and it was formed in 2018 by, firstly, the Shanghai, Jiangsu, Jae, Jiang, and Eni governments. And it would this was closely led by psych motors, Geely, and Cherry Group. And now to this day, there's about 500 different companies. That includes Chinese money battery companies, hydroelectric fuels, and this also includes, like, startups, universities, and the whole mission of the alliance was to promote electric vehicles and new energy into the Chinese market. But because it's so competitive, now they're looking at exploring a foreign market, and this is where we come in, and we take over the UK and EU space.
Liz Allan [00:05:42]:
That's just amazing. So so when so hang on. So it was formed in 2018. When did you both kind of stopped getting involved in it?
Zoey Lin [00:05:52]:
Since 6 months ago. So they've gone -- Right. Of course. -- have a couple overseas office set up in, like, Korea, and Middle East, Australia, I believe. So the UK and EU was a new destination that Dave set their target on -- Mhmm. -- last year, and we were very fortunate to be elected as the head of UK And EU for the alliance.
Liz Allan [00:06:19]:
And just having 2 women, young women as as head of the alliance is is is fantastic. I'm I'm over the moon to to see you both in that position. Is that sorry. I mean, maybe I'm slightly going off on a tangent here, but is is that kind of normal? Do you normally get women heads of you know, kind of in in automotive, generally.
Zoey Lin [00:06:45]:
Very rare. I would say even in China, that's considered quite rare. especially working with car industry. And which is something we're really proud of and we're working very hard.
Yin Noe [00:07:00]:
The alliance really saw sort of, like, our skill sets and our combination of our skill sets together. with our experience with our prior experience and also us being based in the UK for almost the last Zoe, 7 years, for me, 10 years. So we have a lot of, like, strong network effects here. And this is where, like, you know, we got to show approval to the alliance, and and it's been a really exciting journey the last 6 months. Absolutely. And I think for us, it's more like
Zoey Lin [00:07:24]:
working in between the alliance members with the OEM startups from the China side and finding the best way to communicate the projects with our UK and EU clients here. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Liz Allan [00:07:42]:
Mhmm. Do you wanna let's go a little bit further back as well. pay. So so you're obviously, you've got this. You both you know, you are where you are now, but you've what kind of got you obviously, you know, I know you've just said 6 months ago, you do you know, you started working together. but what was it in your collective paths that brought is it just because you did you know each other when you were kind of, you know, Did you know each other in the you know, when you're being in the UK? Or -- We met each other through Imperial College London.
Yin Noe [00:08:19]:
Yeah. And we also coincidentally also lived very close to each other. Okay. And we formed a friendship, and then, essentially, we shared a a vision for the automotive industry. We kept a close tab on electric vehicle space and how, you know, it's such an important like, the timing is everything. And right now with the UK New rules by 2030 by 2035. I think it's a perfect time where we basically thought, hey. Why don't we decide to explore this together?
Zoey Lin [00:08:47]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And before we were involved with the alliance, we had the opportunity to meet with a lot of the major OEMs in China and to be able to see their products as well as their charging innovation In person, it was incredibly mind blowing. I feel like for us, they are it's like technologies and vehicles with the capacity that we've never seen before, and we really felt like for products like that, we can see how competitive the Chinese market is that it's kinda, like, forcing everyone to accelerate on the speed of innovation and really to push outs some of the most amazing
Yin Noe [00:09:33]:
cutting edge technology to to hear because it's not only cars that we try to find the market space for here, but it's also the infrastructure, which is a big problem. And China has really figured it out. With the infrastructure, it's incredible. The different part of it. Tell me tell me tell me more because I was gonna ask you about about kind so so what person do you know the kind of
Liz Allan [00:09:53]:
what numbers of EVs are actually released you know, what because we know it's something it's only something like 17% of people who've got an EV, you know, in in the UK. What's that like and what's the infrastructure like? So what what is it that you're that China is doing differently over there to compare compare to what we're doing over here?
Zoey Lin [00:10:14]:
Absolutely. I would say the EV percentage in China is around, like, 40% mark now and -- No. -- racing. Yeah. Exactly. And all their EVs, they put on, like, a green plate for their cars and For when we were in China, it's almost like 5050 at least in the major cities of the amount of EVs that's on the road. And the government, they stopped giving out subsidies for EV owners a while ago, but people are still continuing the habit of purchasing EVs, and they've had very positive feedback in terms of user experience. And for their charging method, it's really like a mixture of everything. So there's AC charger, DC charger, and battery swapping stations. And now, recently, we've come across a company. It's a mobile robotic charger that they will be deploying at all the major Chinese airports as well as train stations and shopping malls, charging stations, and that's something that we would like to share with
Yin Noe [00:11:30]:
That's quite new because it's -- Yeah. We never seen anywhere else, and we got to experience firsthand when we went to visit the company. And, essentially, it basically solves the problem where, you know, some areas where there's poor electricity lines or there's not enough sort of power. It basically just sort of moves where a truck comes in drops off a little mini depot with the robot, and you can sort of essentially have it fully automatic where the robot actually goes around and literally takes there's a separate device that actually takes the gun out of the charging machine and puts in the car itself, or there's, like, a semi manual one where the person actually puts it in, and it's crazy to think that, like, you know, it's not just normal chargers that they have in the UK that they're looking at, but it's multiple options for different people because that's That's how we can integrate it to people's lives.
Liz Allan [00:12:16]:
Yeah. Yeah. But a mobile robotic charger, I just love see this? You've gotta send me a photo if you've actually taken any.
Zoey Lin [00:12:25]:
Absolutely. Yeah. We have videos of it as well. really incredible to see. And it's it's not just a concept because they've already widely adopted many of the shopping malls, and they're currently on the production phase for pushing out to launch quite many more models for the airports. stations to use and also the battery swapping station. It was truly eye opening for us because normally, when we think about battery swapping stations, we can think of think of, like, Neo and their passenger, battery swapping station. But this time, in China, we saw so many different applications for commercial vehicles from LCVs to heavy trucks, and there's side swapping, bottom swapping, top swapping. And it's just incredible, like, the range of application how flexible they have become. And so some of the most notable products by Altom and CATL, they've really broken the exclusivity of where you used to have one OEM that's launching their battery swapping station, but only their vehicles can use the services But now the ATR did come up with, like, EvoGo, for example, so their swapping stations are compatible with 80% of the BEVs that's coming onto the markets in the next 3 years, which make it very accessible for a range of different clients, different applications.
Yin Noe [00:14:07]:
And, yeah, I know it's It's truly incredible. Yeah. And the -- Like, the 2 strongest sort of use cases or, like, the benefits of battery swapping is, firstly, most EV drivers have ranging anxiety as one of their top top problems. Yeah. And this these things like Alton CETL, they you can stop a battery in under a minute. which, you know, takes off the pain. And then, secondly, it's the pressure on the national grid, and that's a big issue, right, when there is, like, tons of cars charging at the same time. It just takes up so much energy. And in this case, whilst, you know, one battery is being swapped, the old one goes in and starts charging, And some of the battery stopping stations, they've done, like, how many swaps can they do a day? 600
Zoey Lin [00:14:48]:
per day. and that's with around 48 batteries. And per battery swapping station, it only takes the space of 3 car park. whereas it dramatically reduces the need of installing, let's say, 50 or 100 ACDC charging -- Mhmm. -- needs it. And, yeah, I know it's a very clever way of doing this. Yeah. And especially, it's application for commercial vehicles, a lot of the delivery vans and stuff and many -- -- gonna ask you. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. In the taxis.
Yin Noe [00:15:23]:
It's crazy because, you know, in the UK, there's not even one single battery sampling station. But in China, it's it's insane how, like, for example, NIO has about a 1000 stations. Alton, which is more of the legacy battery software, has 460 stations, and they're mostly used by taxi providers, and then CATL This they're they're, like, the new play in the market, and they have about 30 stations and more upcoming this year.
Liz Allan [00:15:46]:
So so when so when A commercial vehicle. So, for example, in the UK, so DPD, they've got they've got electric vehicles and they've got electric vans, haven't they? So so would the are you saying that the battery swapping station is is about 3 car park spaces? Is that what you're saying that the size is? So so so how what how does that work then? So does the van drive onto it and then it kind of it swaps it, is there somebody in charge? Is it or it's completely automated? And it's just like a big load of batteries there or well, how does it work?
Zoey Lin [00:16:20]:
So it's a completely automate automated service. What they do is there's an app form where you can find all the battery swapping stations near you. And as soon as you drive on, the entire process takes less than 1 minute. for the car to drive onto the platform, and it's automatically it will find, like, where the screws for the so, normally, let's say, for a DPD event, it will be most likely bottom swapping. Yeah. So the computer will be able to, like, sense exactly where it needs to take out the boats and swap the batteries. There used to be a for the swapping stations in China, they used to be, like, kind of one personnel within the station to kind of oversee the process to make sure that I everything's okay, but now it's all automated. Like, the system will be able to detect, let's say, if the battery that gets swapped out has, like, any issues and stuff, it will be flagged up to the main control system, and people were coming and maintaining services. And for CATL, for example, It gives, like, the flexible option where you can choose to lease one battery, which provides a range of 200 kilometer or you can rent up to 3 batteries at a time to fit in the car that allows you to go up to 600 kilometers. So it's kind of, like, you can decide how what's the range you wanna go and -- Oh, gosh. -- and batteries you wanna get. And the swapping station itself, it has, like, a it's will equip between 20 to 60 batteries. before, like, let's say, heavy trucks, it would be slightly different because the batteries will be way larger for heavy trucks. But for normal, kind of, like, LCVs, like and the vans, it will be, I think, up to the battery packs, and there will be, like, cooling system as well as, like, a fire safety safety system within the station.
Yin Noe [00:18:26]:
For for example, the more, like, taxi application for battery stopping, imagine there's a very busy period, and there's queues and queues of cars. So what's really interesting is that once the first car gets their battery swapped, their old battery gets taken in by the 30th minute, that one is fully charged. So, essentially, it's like, you know, production line rate just keeps going. Go on. Go on. It's actually waiting, and that's a big problem about our charging stations is, you know, waiting and and and finding the, like, queuing up for the space and etcetera. So this is something where I've been very powerful and very used quite strongly in China.
Liz Allan [00:18:59]:
That's that's amazing. What is it? I'm gonna ask you this. What is it about what so there's a lot of innovation about at the moment just full stop, but but what is it about Chinese innovation that just it just blows my mind when I hear things like that. Why why do you think because in in some ways, it feels like China's kinda and then probably people are listening or watching or probably say she's talking rubbish or whatever, but it just feels like China ahead of the curve when it comes to innovation in, you know, kind of in automotive and in in charging infrastructure. Why? What how? Why? What is it? Is it because there's more money that you're you're kind of you're putting more money into the industry into the sector? Or or is it something else?
Yin Noe [00:19:43]:
I think the government has really stressed to hit a 0 mission goal. And for them, they're once they've made that mission, they're spearheading it. They're like, okay. We're gonna invest 1,000,000,000 of dollars into adopting into infrastructure, into giving new drivers a discount on certain things, and that sort of mass of adoption. It only really works when there is, like, a big like, what someone is running towards it. So once now that the infrastructure is in place, it becomes so much easier for and kind of like a no brainer to switch to this.
Zoey Lin [00:20:15]:
Absolutely. We can't really comment on the other industries, but at least for the electrification
Liz Allan [00:20:20]:
journey for China. That's what I meant. Really ahead of the
Zoey Lin [00:20:24]:
let's say, the target because they're trying to solve the charging issues for the customers first let's say, both passenger and the commercial side, and then think about the innovation. So even before many of the car companies, they are launching the new models. It's the government who's really pushing for the infrastructure planning to really roll out, like, a mixture of all charging solutions for everyone that's really helping the acceleration and the adoption of EV. And the way how they made it so accessible with so many different range from affordable EV to, like, supercar EVs at a reasonable price. It kind of really gives people a lot of confidence to
Yin Noe [00:21:16]:
switch to a EV. And and the sort of, like, the freedom to innovate, you know, we mentioned about, like, the different types of batteries solving that Maybe only people have heard of side and bottom swapping, but there's even mobile battery swapping for emergency cases. It's like, you know, they're really thinking about different applications and hitting different types of users. and one goal, and that's what makes it really powerful.
Liz Allan [00:21:36]:
So when you say mobile battery swapping, is it would that be, say, like, obviously, the AA or the RAC would have batteries batteries on their trucks that came up. And if you ran out of charge, they will actually come up and and chat you know, you'd have you swap your battery on on the move. Well, not if you're broken down, it's not on the move, but you know what I mean.
Zoey Lin [00:21:58]:
Exactly. Like you said, so there will be kind of, like, rescue trucks with batteries equipped that's already fully charged. to coming like, let's say, if the vehicle's, like, stuck, like, somewhere is very far further out, Yeah. Yeah. The charging capacity. Yes.
Liz Allan [00:22:20]:
So what what do you think the UK needs to do to because, you know, obviously, the we like I say, we've got what is it about? 70 17% EV adoption. if you look at what China's done and you look at what the UK's done, you'll be able to see a very, very different picture, won't you, of adoption. What do you feel that that UK UK needs to do in order to kind of push this forward and get more people on board?
Yin Noe [00:22:48]:
For first day, I think from a lot of industry players that we've been speaking to, the issue is supply. So they actually want and need EVs But they realized that some of the manufacturers, they said, oh, we can send it to you in 6 to 12 months. Like, the times are just so so this is where we're trying our best to help with this kind of adoption of EVs and and providing supplies from the Chinese market that not many people have explored to the fullest extent.
Zoey Lin [00:23:14]:
And also to the introduction of, like, different charging methods, I think -- Yeah. -- we'll probably be a encouragement to -- Exactly. People.
Liz Allan [00:23:28]:
because, I mean, I suppose and I don't know whether I don't know whether you have this in in China, we you know, we've obviously got lamppost charging. You know, we've got so we've got static charging. I know there's a company out in the states that are looking at wireless charging. I've interviewed a a kind of the chief executive of EVO in out in New York. So so, you know, so there's there's lots of there's lots of different types of charging, but in some ways, it doesn't quite feel a joined up approach that maybe China have got. You know, there's a bit here and there's a bit there and it's a bit like our government's kind of said. Again, people might just disagree with me here based, you know, this is my my thoughts. You know, government has said to local authorities, This is what we want to do. We want to achieve net 0 as well as all, you know but in in the these are the areas you need to look at. One of them being EV adoption and, you know, charge charge points. We've we're gonna give you some we're gonna give you some funding, but we're not gonna tell you how to do it. It kind of feels a bit like that. You know, they're a bit like
Yin Noe [00:24:34]:
Yes. In in China, there's a very holistic approach to, you know, when cops are pay payment of charging and finding charges, I feel like, you know, there's a cooperation with all the different companies, and that's something that we have seen a bit of, like, a distance with, you know, a lot of people using 4 different apps to pay for -- Yeah. -- tard different apps to, like you know, I I we've spoken to many, many different Uber drivers, for example, and they've basically mentioned how the frustration of you know, looking for they have 4 different apps to look for where is the nearest charger. And once they arrive at the point, it's like someone's already went and charged it. Like, just pooped it. So, you know, this is where we would love to have more cooperation with different companies in the UK and EU to help facilitate this and only when when we work in unison, it can make whole whole driving experience a lot stronger and more powerful. Yeah. And I think that's also why they've established this automotive alliance for,
Zoey Lin [00:25:29]:
specifically, new energy and EV OEM, so that's and there's kind of like a a coherent conversation going on to see what's everyone planning to do next and whether there's homologation that could happen to really increase the user experience and to tackle the pinpoints for them. Yeah.
Liz Allan [00:25:51]:
And and what so okay. So to me, that's that's the that's the biggest benefit, isn't it, of that those 500 companies in that alliance. I mean, to me, that sounds a bit like herding cats. trying to get people to kind of, you know, all all work together. Have you have you managed it? How you know, or or is it is it difficult to manage? Or are they all on they're just all on board. They all see the point of it.
Zoey Lin [00:26:16]:
I think they are very much on the same page. I I think Ridding at least the China domestic market. There's a very clear understanding of where everyone's, like, moving to next and the innovation that's coming onto the space and the with the with the OEMs, they're really happy to kind of, like, trial and adapt in the ways where they could be collaborative, like use in the way of, like, going to, like, trials with a lot of the startups, like, in China. So there's quite a lot of collaborative, like, projects going on. And although there are, at times, competition is real between the OEMs, like, within the alliance, But then I think more and more they're looking at ways to solve the issue as a whole. rather than coming up with individual solutions
Liz Allan [00:27:13]:
and also government support, which also really helps. Yes. completely. I mean, I've got I've got to say just just thinking about it. I was probably a bit mean saying that, you know, I I think I think the UK up. We are very innovative I think we've got some very, very innovative people. So so I I I retracted what I said earlier. I I wasn't it wasn't I wasn't specifically saying it you know, across the the UK. I think some of it is just like you're saying, trying to have that joined up approach and working together as as a unit, which I'm not quite sure we've we've we've kind of we've reached that. We've not quite achieved that at the moment. It it does feel like we're all we're all kind of heading off in different directions. Although I I have seen some with some kind of charge point operators who theoretically would be competitors to each other that are actually starting to look and work together, which I to me, like you're saying, you know, it's the benefit. We're we're all moving we're all moving forward together. We all want to want to achieve achieve net 0 at the same time. I was gonna ask you. So so when when will you So obviously, in in the UK, we phase phase out petrol and diesel cars from 2030, or the manufacturing stops in 2030. When when is that happening in in China?
Zoey Lin [00:28:35]:
I believe around the same time. I think it's 1 to 30. is the target, definitely.
Liz Allan [00:28:42]:
But I mean, to say that you're at nearly 50% adopts 40 to 50% adoption, I'm absolutely flabbergasted about that, but and that is amazing because the population of of China 40% adoption versus our population. I think, well well, we've got 60 we've got 60,000,000,000 in the UK. don't know what the population is out of China, but to say that you're there, well, congratulations on that. That's fabulous. You know, I mean, I still got the other percent, haven't you? But even so, that's just to say you've got so far.
Zoey Lin [00:29:15]:
Absolutely. we we do need to check the stats on because we think maybe it's 40% on the major cities. But as far as where we can see, it's definitely a very high percentage of penetration already. Yes. Mhmm. I think here are issues with, like, let's say, some of the more rural cities in China where -- Mhmm. -- you're still in the process of, like, developing the infrastructure and installing chargers for everyone, but still they're moving at a very promising pace. Promising. Yeah. Absolutely.
Liz Allan [00:29:53]:
So what's your aim for the next few years, ladies? What what you what do you guys want to achieve in the next few years?
Yin Noe [00:30:01]:
So it's for us to bring sort of the latest technology and innovation that China has been offering and apply it to the best cases in the UK and EU. And that could mean, you know, bringing manufacturers, bringing different infrastructure, and the latest technology over here.
Zoey Lin [00:30:18]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And I think so many of the OEMs who have also asked us to look for UK and startups in this in the EV space that they would like to invest in and really take on board to see what are
Yin Noe [00:30:39]:
some of the projects that they could -- Mhmm. -- collaborate on and the working we've been working with Yeah. So as the alliance, as Zoe said, we they're also looking to invest in the innovative UK technology startups that are here. And that's something that, you know, for the cooperation of all different nations, that's only gonna make everything more stronger, powerful, better user experience for everybody, and all in all, you know, going towards a more 0 mission future.
Liz Allan [00:31:06]:
Yeah. Absolutely. I just Yeah. I'm I'm round of applause to that one. That's that's literally where where we need to be. So where do people need to look for you guys? Where where are you? Where do you hang out? Other than China and the UK, mix you know, kind of between the two countries.
Yin Noe [00:31:28]:
The best one to reach out to us would be through LinkedIn, I would say. That's the easiest. And then, you know, we are easily reachable. I know that you probably have our email addresses, which you can put underneath this podcast
Zoey Lin [00:31:41]:
Yeah. And we have a office space at Saint John's Wood. So we're more than happy to
Liz Allan [00:31:48]:
have you over as well to have Bless you. I'd be fab. I wanna just see oh, you've gotta send me as many videos and photos of all this technology because I -- Right. -- I just Fabulous to see it. Really would. And what about sort of so other social media platforms then? You kind of you're on you're obviously, we've we've kind of I've spoken to you on LinkedIn, haven't I? Mhmm.
Yin Noe [00:32:12]:
Yeah. On other platforms, we are in the midst of starting a more TikTok channel on shopping some of the Chinese EV vehicles, and that's something that's sort of in progress, like, in the works. But currently, the best ways through through LinkedIn mostly. Yeah.
Liz Allan [00:32:29]:
Fabulous. Right. Well, listen. I'll make sure that I share share all of your links and everything like that. And there's there's there is so much more to talk about. I know I know that for a fact. in in you know, so I will I'm sure we'll bump into each other. Are you go you guys going to fully charged? Yes. We are. Oh, yeah. Well, we I will see you there then. This is for those who are watching or listening, we this is the week of fully charged live in Phamborough. So so yes. So it'll probably go out a little little later than fully charged. But but yes. So I shall I shall bump into you bump into you down there. It'd be fabulous. exciting. Thank you so much, Liz, for having us. Thank you, Liz. Oh, it's been lovely to have you. Thank you ever so much for your time. For everybody else, I'm gonna say I'll see you next time and find out more about about Zoe Zoe and Ian in the coming months and years. So yeah. But thank you ever so much guy ladies, not guys. You know what I mean? Thank you ever so much, ladies. I shall see you this week, and I'll see everybody else next time. Bye bye.
Zoey Lin [00:33:34]:
See you this weekend. Bye.
Liz Allan [00:33:36]:
Bye.