Episode 16: Liz Allan and Charlie Fraser - EV racing, the Artic Circle and EV Drive Days

i thought it was going to do five or three to one but it didn't just did five right so on to day's podcast i have got charlie fraser now charlie here he is an electric vehicle racing driver which excites the heck out of me he also

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works for octopus octopus electric vehicles and you've got we've talked before and you've got so much you're not that old either are you but you've done so much already you know thirty one

oh yeah

so much so far so please can you just well i'll say welcome first welcome thank you very much for joining me and just tell me how the heck you managed to do all this how did you get into race in being a v racing driver for a start off

so first of all thank you for having me but

pleasure

yeah you make you make it sound like i'm doing a lot now the expectation is

yeah

on to explain however i am

yeah

i grew up in the tender glasschool and i grew up to two parents who we were potentially the most affluent family in the school which was or one of which was not hard consider there were both teachers and mom actually took time off

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but it's just just the nature of where we were

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and i think my dad was really really aggressive in trying to show me that i could do whatever i wanted rather than following the state is cool

yeah

so when we were when i was about four or five he sat me down in front of tally called mccreone has

ah

well championship in nineteen ninety five

oh

and i think my dad was kind of going down the lines of look here's a man from twenty five miles away

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he did what he wanted

yeah

manage this or you can do anything as well

cool

and about

good pass

twenty years later h twenty two years later my go out the car after my first practice session in scottish legends and my dad was like how on earth did you how neath did you enjoy that it's horrible he said what made you want to do this and i said

yeah

well dad i still remember sitting on that sofa with you as mc was doing donuts with the soltithesal the car

kay

in his face absolute dropped

it's

because

hell

he tried everything he put me down in front of rube ut me down in front of the football he put me down in front of

it

the

was that

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one

n scottish barley everything

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and that was the one thing that made me scotch bible did as well but that was the one thing that stuck with me and i remember as being like one of my earliest childhood memories

bless you

so i kind of always had this hankering to dabble and racing and and i led through like a performance a performance childhood as well so at the age of eleven i was part of dance school in scotland

were you i thought when

yeah

you said about ball

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what you've done you you've done ev racing and ball

yeah trained professionally or vacationally until the age of about fifteen

did you

next yeah

fantastic

but i think i think they go much closer hand in hand than people realize right one does seem in the past one would have seen it as a bit feminine or a bit light and a bit weak actually

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sport is a sport right it's an elite sport

it's controlled as well

an

it's about control control

yeah

it's that you as a person

yeah

isn't it

and then motor sport lots people see is this really aggressive sort of for me ask

ah

sort of weight knuckle raid but actually it's so much more about tactics nd it's so much more about being present and it's so much more about they are both about creating something in the moment that will never live on but for that

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moment is beautiful right for that moment is perfect

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so that bug has always sort of stayed with me and once once i got injured decided that motersport as the way to go studied motrportzon engineering ended up working for apple while i was at university once i finished at university went full time there

right

um m also went racing with naani barth so but play station

yes

three

yeah

when i was sixteen seventeen

yeah

i spent all my time all my time that i wasn't at school playing grandchesmo

no

five

i was like my son but something

um

completely different that he plays

yeah but

yeah

two thousand and twelve i raced or i raced on the play station and something called g t academy which was a precursor to eat sports

right

which you re fast enough they took you down to selverston and then they gave you a three week intensive course and

yeah

at the end they one person to become a san racing driver

o my god

finished first

right

so didn't get the full time contract but

right

it gave me that taste and also gave me a name so like if if you're going anywhere recent wise at that time you could see i was part of g t academy and all of a sudden he were like you're weird not just

ye

our you're weird you're probably good

yeah

but you're also we because we don't we don't understand how that because they

yeah

couldn't get academy drivers were winning were winning british g t championships they went on to come to la mole they went on to do some really crazy stuff

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world wide and you could see how the traditional the traditional multirport guys couldn't grasp how this worked right

right

like the man you're playing the play station but

yeah

you can drive a real car that's no this doesn't really compute

yeah

and that kind of led me to really sort of see then out the box and in two thousand and thirteen in fact the same good moods two thousand twelve i saw the ranald twise

right

when it came when it properly came out i looked at it and realized that it was cheaper than the buss so yeah

you do

it was great

as you do

i put like a grand down grand owners deposit and then it's like fifty pounds a month for the fifty pounds a month for the car

yeah

on thirty pounds a month maybe six pens thirty pounds a month for the bartany i left in the other side glide score

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my mom and dad and what had worked out and i charged at work on a three pen plug so i worked out that

love it

well the old an had a three pen plug that just came out the front of the car so you open

i

up the front the little hatch at the front but that big

yeah

you'd open up and hreepenplug on the end of like a bung cords and

i like

plug it into a three pen plug so

sounds like plugging in a loo or something

yeah essentially essentially

yeah

it had fifty two sixty two sixty two miles or it was limited and i was the first non commercial owner in scotland so ranald bent over backwards they gave me three doors they gave me three windows i was out in it in the snow i was out in the summer did every in this car that you possibly could took it on a trip down to see my grandpa in the seaside town that i know left

oh

i really got better not better but realized that it was much easier to move to an electric car than people thought now

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also change my mainset because people will be like well what if you want to drive to abeldenor you want to drive to london be like i'll get the train

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people couldn't quite grasp that i bought a car to not drive to london yet lots of other people had bought cars that they would never drive to london like they could drive to london but they never

yeah

would drive to london

yeah

um m and then through that i got involved with the v association in scotland which is still on going and actually really incredible now and got exposed to a little bit through scottish southern electric

yeah

glasgow they had like an office they had an electric vehicle charging hub and i used to regularly do coffee mornings with them where i would come in and chat about my experiences with electric car

oh

because that then gave them influence within law being and within

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parliament within scotch government about what are the plans because lots o people who may be listening to this or watching this now scott is charging in structure but scott is charging infrastructure is really interesting if you don't know

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that the government in like two thousand and fourteen maybe even earlier than that made the decision to make it a public thing

right

so the problem being that they realized that if they made it private all of your charging would be between glasgow and adenbrond a little bit up to aberdeen

right

actually wants to try and encourage in the lectric vehicle adoption much further afield

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so you can it's a little bit pat now because they're trying to work out how the how they take it out of public ownership because or a lot of aggressively not aggressive majority out of public ownership because they need to grow quicker

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but regally initially in two thousand and fifteen you could fifteen sixteen there was a charge at every fifty miles and you could drive anywhere in scotland

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um so i then became like a little bit of a poster boy for c o chat to these people about it

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and through that i met a man who was working at tesla and he sort of got me out in a car one day and then when oh so we started chatting and he was like so you studied motrsportdesign you work for a te company you have an electric car

ye

and you've got your race license

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we're just we're just expanding into the u k why are you not on the journey with us about five

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months later ended up at tesla spent

one

two and about years at a

yeah

race it festival speed brighton speed trials born with wheels um broke a couple of cars

broke

which was

you broke

broke

how did you

yeah

how do you break you mean you mean you smashed you had accidents and smashed

no no no no no no like

they blew up

yeah

yeah

is it interesting because they want to put a product out and then gather feedback and get testing done while it's in its life cycle rather

i

than traditionally how a car manufacture would work manufacture tradition the knit and that's why like if you look at the original two those and fourteen model asses and you compare it to model three now the bell quality is so different

yeah

why lots people still have complaints about test build quality because if you go and experience o model three from two thousand and nineteen it's vastly different from experiencing a mortal why from two thousand twenty two

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i think sometimes people forget that you jump in to marcidis at the same level the entire way through some of the tat

yeah

gets a little bit better the level is the same where the taste you see these incredible jumps

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in quality

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over and over and over again and that's purely because they put the product out they gather information then they reiterate really quickly and then go again so you add popped a couple of plastic couplings on the real weel drive cars before the all weel drive cars came out

god

by

yeah

pressing the break in the accelerator at the same time which if you're in the way

oh

wow on loose surface

yeah

is something that you do regularly

yeah

but nobody had yet done it to the point that

then you did

coupling in the mortar and the coupling went ping and the cars decided to not drive anymore so yeah but there i don't know don't know weird and the weir in the housing it was if it was in the mortar it's probably changed but that's probably my legacy right that was probably a little bit of sales culture and chat at tesla

yes

maybe not what my legacy test is that there's probably a metal coupling in a mortar somewhere that was

where you're doing a favorite

my

of course because they would not

exactly

wouldn't have found it you know if they

oh

would ave known that problem if people hadn't he pushed it to the point

yeah

that you did yeah

i think that's where re that's where re people sometimes mess motor sport as formerly one's weird right formerly one that formerly one doesn't really link to real life in any way shape or form

right

is the more dark forms of motor sport that really linked to what i mean by dirty um hm long form or rallying that's where we really see leaps forward in technology

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because they are doing they're using normal stuff does that makes it you are never going

yeah

to an engine formula one car

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on your road car and you're never going to have winglets the size of you know vast

uh

you're never going to have

uh

rear wings on your normal road car or experience down for us but

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in things like g t racing in things like rally cross and in rallying you see very quick fixes that then translate very quickly into the into the real world and you see the electric vehicle side of things that's happening as well with formula and

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getting formally you look at it and you think it's all big winglets it's all really fast it's all single sites to be lit where are we ever going but it's all that it's all recording and formula so all recording and formula is the sort of two to a situation so it's really quite interesting there and at the end of my time at tesla i started to really realize that it was really racing cars that i wanted to be i wanted to be involved with so sold my soul to the devil and worked

lo

for a year

you

yeah but again i think i think we mess that petrol vehicles are gonna be around for for a long time still it as

yeah

much as we want the world as easy focused as possible to morrow um

not over night thing is it really

no no it's not and i think the the interesting thing that katrum taught me more than testladed really was that test came in with people that had far too much money but had enough money buy themselves something and take a risk where is it did a lot of work on something called again the katram academy which is about you've never driven a racing car you can go from standard driver to file fledge racing racing driver european racing driver in about a year

right

and you buy a car and you stand at a motor show and you have middle aged men come up to you and you say would you like to be a racing driver they all say yes yes yes yes

uh

they're like okay cool do you have an extra thirty key in the bank are you going to go at the gym are you goin to get up at six o'clock every morning are you goin t be away from your family for twelve week ends the year and some of them are like no i can't do that and some are like i wish but my family is going to kill me if i do that

yeah

do you have a toy license and it's the same with electra cars right

yeah

you go and see and you say that to anybody at the pub anybody at coffee or have you thought about an electric car do you want to do the right thing for the environment and everybody goes yes yes

no

absolutely they cost too much i'm not able to get to go to work i'm not able to do what i need to do what happens if i run out of charge

yeah

you know their chargers it's all those same is all that the initial the initial hurdle is yeah we have

we want

to

to do it

there's

yea

the other hurdles to build it up right

yeah

so over my my year there i really learned a law very quickly about how those hurdles to me and my life i do see the world differently and i know that now to me like if you want something just go and do it like just go and get it just go and do it and i'd never i'd never experienced the the hurdles in my way and i don't mean that through a monetary thing like i didn't go carting because dad didn't have the money to go carting what i mean is though like you just keep

very much so

sometimes it doesn't work like that in the real world if you're buying a product right

m

if you're buying a product

yeah

actually going out and buying a poor char a little bit more expensive but it's got a roof and you can go and do some tracts on it is probably nicer than buying a ktrum and having all of this other stuff that goes along with it in the same way that we see with petra cars right why are hybrids now such buying point

i don't know

when it would have thing twenty years ago school

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hybrids the same thing right i want to do the right thing but this stops all of those that stops all of those hrdols

yeah yeah

ah the end of it i spent some time doing my own thing i ran send me my own business in scotland putting twelve year olds and lampgines for addie's aston

oh

martins on he

wonderful

um same time i did some crazy things with electric vehicles i took ten across the desert in the middle east

remember you

i took

saying

forty circle

yes

yeah and then

oh

two thousand then

how did you do

met

that move on you can't move on you can't just

oh

go i took four v to the arctic circle and stuff in the middle you can't just glaze over that you've got to tell me how the hell did

oh

you do that

m so i had i had friends or people that had met through the v world

oh

um and though social media and through linktonand one other stuff that we're doing looking at doing things with electric vehicles

okay

so ben looked at doing something called globallyvrt he took some vehicles out in the middle east on the beth beth and tito the arctic adventure was a little bit different which will come on to so i got in touch with ben speaking to ben and was like look i can come out i'll come out and help like i'll just come out and help because again i've been i've been netty gritty i've been on that like i was seeing about the dirty side motor sport i've ben

yeah

on the dirty side of the car right rather than actually let's have all this sort of thought leadership and processing and let's di let's discuss what the problems are to ev adoption well let's go out there do it and

improve

see

it

that see the problems right so i said i can come out i can help with the cars i've got my race license i can instruct a little bit we can make sure everybody's safe we can make sure that everybody is goin to be good and you know what we'll we'll go from there and i think actually it's the same thing whenever i go and join a new business they think i it's going to be amazing chi's on to tell us all about the speck of the cars we're not gonnahveto worry about the

yeah

and b i don't think it's what helps a customer understand that the car's rate for them right so

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i went out they asked me to build i spoke to them about how we should speak about cards

yeah

and then i helped them make sure that they had their charging plan nailed on

right

rather than just these are paying customers that were on this road show this road trip

yeah

and the problem that they really had was that they hadn't they hadn't done the mats on the charging

it

just

happen

everybody would turn like we would have maybe we would open a public charger so ben had done all this work to open chargers at hotels

m

that we were staying at

yes

on the way amazing work amazing work but when the cars turned up there's been no mats on the fact that we had four hundred probably about six hundred eight hundred kill a lot errors more than that about thousand we had a mega lot of power that we need

m

to put into to these vs

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we only had two three four chargers

oh god god

how did you how did you make that work

yeah

and the thing would always be that you have to stop all these paying customers they would turn up and at the end but by of the second or third charge i was just like your going to park in the car park and give me your keys all that's going to happen

yeah

the park in the car park give me your keys then we're good right and that then that then at the end of that adventure remember speaking to gerard trivnowi don't know what's happening with trvatthemoment he's doing some other stuff at the moment but trivuser concept and he knew beth and data

oh

beth and dear beth lilly who is well known detis a little bit more quiet in the background now they run er

yes

so the er championship in the benalox region

i

which is a formula three thousand or formula four stale car that's filly electric for getting you into gevherexcuse me ive career part people wanting to drive electrics racing and beth and it decided that they wanted to do an arctic trip with people that had never driven electric vehicles before

oh

to highlight ocean politian

right okay

and i said well i can come along and help but well we think it should be okay we think it should be okay it shouldn't be too bad should be all okay remember getting a call in we in corbin hegan and i was i think i was with my mom in my

yeah

car going like charlie can you fly it to oslo can you come out and help us m because it's like hard on cats

yes

and were struggling to make

oh

sure that these people are getting charges in their car

oh

so i turned up a little bit like jocko wilna or a little bit like durkin

hm

or malcom tucker

oh

and red sections of the right act to these people and built them well what i mean by that was like ratgyyou're going to do what tell you rather that i think the problem was again beth and dita had traveled a lot between belgium and london

yeah

and they've done a lot of driving across europe with electric vehicles

yeah

and they thought they realized it was really easy but they also maybe didn't maybe didn't have a way of getting through to a couple of racing drivers from the middle east danybrofrom

m

daughter

oh

and a photographer from argentina

oh god

in a way that really

was understandable

yeah yeah and i think less so my personality and more so the fact that i've been called in gave me the ability to be like this is how it's being done

yeah

guys this is why i'm here this is how it's being done

yeah

so yeah i flew into a low and then met them and then we drove two thousand and fifteen and leaf uh h reginald teslorrodstar models and i three to nord cap which is the northern most point of norway which is the northern northernmost point of europe

i

in fact it was the middle of the summer so people are like you say arctics are like oh my god like the snow and i like

how did

art

you know that chains on your tires and everything

it was it was thirty two degrees cemetegrade

okay slightly different then

less less than fifteen hundred kilometers from the north pole so that was that was a big drive homer to me of climate change like that

yeah

hit me heard right when that happened it was like

yeah

right climate changes

a thing that's real

yeah

can't deny

yeah

it yeah

and that was that was about the same time that we had those droughts in europe remember two days in eighteen had those big droughts in europe

yeah

and that was kind of kind of a we bit scary to realize that it was that aggressive

m

yeah

sounds like an amazing amazing adventure though oh my god we've not even taught about about you working at octopus electric vehicles either have we how did that

no

how did that happen then what do for octibists kind of similar things but you've been doing i've kind of

um

been talking

m

about

yeah so i think yeah i think

oh

the big seaward the big bad seaward sort of planked a big problem in the middle of no problem in the middle of october but me does really have to re think about how we communicated with people in the idle of octopus so i joined octrperson there's a nineteen lot for consulting some stuff in man star helping t g helping really grow and understanding electric vehicles

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and then nineteen moved to the tents and nine move to london begetnothose in t l let's get out with cards let's get out everybody driving cars let's go let's get it all sorted let's make videos let's just let's just throw stuff against the walls see what steps and see what we can create because we've taken

yeah

taking a evutuber to frankfort auto show

right

and that receives really good lights but also it was fantastmwhen customers found up being like oh i don't know how i drive to newcastle from manchester would be like oh here here's a video of somebody driving into germany so don't worry about that and then of course as i said the big seaward hit and all of a sudden all those end person all that test driving stuff really had to roll back really quickly

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and we had to really think but how did we communicate it was it was good it allowed us some time to really build and start afresh and

yeah

actually the growth that the company's experiences growth the company has experienced is post corvidnot post corvidbut about a year after the sort of the big planning fas so i ran a lot of customer facing workshops in that time and really focused actually a lot of my for on something called paraloup which you may not i've heard of

no

some people have so paralypas

oh

and this is really we think

yeah

octpus

yeah

s a thought leader in its process

m

so paralypisis a vehicle to great project in the southeast england there's a hundred thirty hundred and thirty five cars that set on the project and there are normal people's houses

yeah

and they charge on renewable energy over night and then through that peak period of like four to seven p m our carbon is intense on the grid the car will pevpaerback to the home so that the car the green energy or the renewable energy that in the battery is running the house

right yeah makes sense

m it's an innovation trial so it's not something that

ah

we're asking

oh

we're giving customers credit on it

m

but we're

m

not

oh

we're not letting the customer have full access to it

oh

but i think that's where we get really exciting that's where octopus is really exciting in as much as on one hand we do these really

yeah

cool innovative trios and we probably had some more stuff in the pipe line um m

a

and we take a sample on on on a very few number of people and then at the same time we go absolutely ham with something like our sous understanding we have a sousa proposition that we are trying to get as many cars out the door as possible becase it's the only way we achieve

m

price party right at the moment is

gonna ask

number

you

of

about

cars on

that

the road and salysacrifice right susa

m

creates a bit of price parity in the short term and if we get enough cars on the road we then create then create price party and we also create a second hand market that

m

becomes fairer as well and less regionalized

oh

so those are our real push points but what's really exciting is that we can really test in those small ennovative projects and then take the real customer benefit out of that and apply it to the south sack or to to await a range of customers so

m

a lot of customers may not have a car from us but they're on like intelligent octopus which as a tariff a lot of intelligent pieces learning has come from paraloop so

m

without having the cars on the road and without having that data set that's why we want to get as many cars out on the road as possible

yeah

to do the right thing to get electric cars on the road but it's not like there's big sales push it's that without that data set we can't without having massive data set of electric cars we can't help push forward the changes that we need to the changes that we need

m m

to change and in our society and i think that then comes to looking at the energy transition and electric vehicles as as a whole is stick problem rather that or looking at it helistically looking at the problem hellistically

m

rather than looking at let's swap every electric car for petrol because there might not resonate with a lot of people that lessen or with people that you've had on before but i don't believe the future s changing every carter being electric i don't believe that changing every like lady on the road to being electric is the right thing either

m

because actually we need to come up with a more efficient cleverer way of utilizing these vehicles

yeah

allow us to build lands becase that's the other thing right co two is hugely sent out at the time of building a product

it is

so if we could build less product allow the man manufacturers to not lose money at the moment make money in the long time would be cool but lose money in the short

oh

is the big thing you

m

see that are there are people that re adopting in it but they're just not maybe dabbling hard enough and i think

it

that's

was a

where

moment

i really love what we do octopuses that we don't really dabble can a goal jump in both feet and if it doesn't work go okay it didn't work but if it does work fantastic we can keep going

yeah exactly this is i could talk to you all

m

day this is

m

so this is so interesting i was going to ask you so octopus electric vehicles you have you

ah

have drive days don't you

yeah

and this is where i go nudgnudgcharlie

oh

de

oh

how do people get on so what is the point of the drive days and how do people get get on them

so i think i think there's two there's two parts to the drive days at opus number one i think it's about letting people who ready to buy a car experience a car and we're a little bit limited in as much as that we can't help everybody drive the car that they want to drive

just

or they want to buy right

m

but it's about helping them understand if you drive nesanlif you're going to have an understanding of what the test is going to be like

yes

at leastyou're gon able to understand what the electric side of it is like you may not know what the test side of it's like right but if you drive a pole star to i can talk to you about what an i four is going to feel like and i can talk to you about what a test in model three is going to feel like on either side

hm

of that so that that's the main focus of these drive days is to or at least the ones that we call the ones we have been doing is mainly to get people excited and understand the product on get them to give them a seal of approval right

yes

in as much as that it's the second for me it's the second biggest purchase you'll ever make in your life

yeah

for most people

yeah

asking people to take i work for the business so i don't think you're taking a risk but i understand that you're asking you're asking somebody to say what you mean that i'm not going to go to arnold clark or peter vard no i'm not going to go to the people that i know maybe don't trust but i know

yeah

asking you're asking me

go

to

with

trust

you

this big octopus

yeah

your car right

yeah

we're going to get that's the main thing of the the drive days actually is to go look no pressure at the point where you're ready to go come try it

m

then go from there

okay

we also we also do other drive days where we either have people down to try and when the like somebody like yourself to get them to come down try a car and go oh i haven't experienced that before or experience the car and they talk larger about our thought press process of where this goes they happen raider or less regularly but they're

m

bigger so as much as they're happening every month or so

m

they're happening to the point that every quarter every six months we're getting a lot of people through and being able to talk to them about what the next step is in this in this

m

journey and i think that that's why people are listening and watching and they jump on line and have a look and it's not there that may be why is because

a

where we next one to come along i think as time goes on with where we plan on going you'll see those open up and become much more public facing

okay

at the moment i think the big thing with sosacthwithsa sacrifice i don't know if many people know what it is essentially like cycle to work but for electric cars right

yeah

the thing that is i think thought that we need to have the business that you work for signed up to it

hm

so as much as i would love everybody to come and drive an electric car to morrow we need to if you're the people that you work for don't have don't have that process signed up with us already a bit of a rating is a bit annoying right because

m

what you do is you come down and drive the car go oh my god this is incredible

yeah yeah

this

this

is exactly

is a thing

what i want

i want

is

yet

every

oh

year and then you go okay cool so go and speak to your each they're

yeah

gonna take about four weeks to get this all set up and side up then it has to go through legal and then you have to wait eight months for your car

yeah

now we have some other we have some other clever stuff to try and mitigate that and i think you spoke to one of my colleagues about how we mitigate that

yes

but it still isn't the greatest of experiences so i would say if you are wanting to get an electric car try one with the idea of getting a car

m

absolutely honor each are to come and speak to us as much as possible and then yeah we'll come and bring some cars out to you and let you let you try them

since

for

i own my own business i am the decision maker

acutely so regularly we hold events at our for businesses like yourself at our location and way bridge we will be regularly once inter once christmas is over once all sorted holding regular test drive events

yeah

at the at our way bridge location probably friday saturdays but with my with my accent i always feel slightly awkward to be like yeah everybody can come down to weybridge and drive with us and it's like well yes they can but don't want to be saying to people in like nvernabardin you know what you should do you know a you should do actually

all the way down

exactly

how many hundreds of miles just do it you can come you can have a car

yeah

on a

all your field savings o your field savings from your year of your electric

yeah

car aren't on the journey down and back up

yeah exactly so so what is the octopus electric vehicles website is it just do they just people just need to google it or

yeah

have a have a look under the if you put in octopus electric called drive days would that come up on google then

if you just go to octopus ev dot com you can see it all there and there should be an event tab as well as you can see them there but yet that will be that will come along we'll tweet about it well shouts about it on linked end when we're doing it yeah there's there's some big plans for next year we're just not at a place where we can probably get everybody excited about what those plans i right now because

it's all secret

yeah

secret squirrel stuff going on that's

yeah

fine

exactly

that's fine and if people actually want to kind of find you on social media is linked in the best place for them to find you

link link i've got a little bit of an instagram on the use it that much anymore so yeah linked on or my website which is said c r d dot code which is zero carbon racing driver you can jump on there and ere's a feel less of experience or

hey

fair if somebody wants to put me in an extreme e s v on a scottish island over the summer next year

we

yeah

in for

somebody wants to give me what going to do that let's go let's go do that you'll

oh

get seventeen million people viewing you on on tail and on your tube and you'll be taking a point on a scottish driver in a scottish scottish race which would be quite exciting i think it's just in case one person's watching

you never know you just

oh

don't know who's watching or listening

exactly

listen it's been absolutely brilliant talking to you have really appreciated your time like i said i could probably talk to you for the rest of but i shall bring you on another time and we can talk about lots of

okay

other things and if i do not if i'm going to say when when i get my drive day then

oh

then we can come back on there and i'll just be i'll probably be a different person i won't be any thinner but i'll

m

be different

oh let's thank you so much for having me

it's been brilliant thank you ever so much and to everybody else i'm going to say good bye and i shall see you soon bye yah