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seen and felt through a train like life this living parable. Thirty years later, here we continue with more than 1, 600 programs under way. The train of life goes on. Here we go. Come with me. You can sell your soul to the devil. You' re selling your soul. These days he thought of those who certainly sell their soul to the devil explicitly, but also of those who do it implicitly, without even noticing themselves, in many cases, that they are mortgaged their lives for all eternity. And

this is no joke. In universal literature, this topic has been discussed on several occasions. The most famous works in this regard, among others, are Fausto de Goeth, the Lord of the Rings, also of Tolkin and, of course, the portrait of Dorian Grey, of Oscar Walde. Selling the soul to the devil is also, in some way, a metaphor about giving material importance to what it does not deserve at the cost of what it does deserve. The soul represents being and what is obtained in exchange for selling it

is to have or obtain something wealth or possessions or status. Many people are hungry for power, fame, wealth, among many other human ambitions and from what we see and hear, we realize that such people are willing to all, in many cases, in order to achieve what they propose and it is really disturbing, besides extremely dangerous to enter into the deep throat of the devil, flirting with witchcraft, sorceries and satanic covenants that de facto imprison souls of

infinity of many unwary who choose immediate pleasure and temporary success in exchange for the loss of their precious souls. This may seem incredible at this point in a

world as sophisticated as Ours and increasingly cautious of consciousness. Unfortunately, however, in these last times we observe with greater intensity the seduction of thousands of people fascinated by this sinister mephistopheles understand, the same devil who is even able to offer to the own children of God, as the case of Balaam, all the kingdoms of this world in exchange for a sick desire for supreme worship to

his person. One of the most biblical, more paradigmatic cases found in the scriptures is that of Judas Iscariot, who was made to lose his soul by the greedy obsession of stealing and making easy money at a cost of betraying God

’ s own son. When Jesus said that the thief has come to steal, kill and destroy, he was perfectly describing the same satan who has become the wicked thief of the precious souls of human beings that we are made in the image and likeness of God. But what is extraordinary is what declares Jesus himself in this very scripture. But I have come that you may have life and that you may have it abundantly Jesus gives us eternal life by sincere trust

in his person and, moreover, offers us an abundant life. This means the pleroma or fullness of the Holy Spirit, which gives us the true spiritual power to live a Christian life, victorious and enjoy a new identity and the abundant riches of his grace. This yes, which is a life with purpose and a safe destiny. The sky, the train of life. Life, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this master car of the train of life,

and I say masterful because it is a place. Those who are tuned to us have entered epically into the magisterial wagon of the train of life, because any of our friends are welcomed. This is a popular train, as our friend Luis Alfredo says. This is a popular train. It' s everyone ' s train. No one is excluded here. It' s an inclusive train. All good men and women have a place here in this train of life. Thirty years later, he said one thousand six hundred more programs we

already exceeded two thousand six hundred, which there is nae. Thirty years, for five years, two three- hour weekly editions of the train of life. And, well, the rest of the years, because every week and at the point of the appointment, we always meet with thousands of people throughout the Spanish geography. But what' s also interesting is that we have a lot of hours, also about six zero hours of radio over them in the

magazine of the train of life. Well, I don' t remember I worked with Luis del Olmo in zero wave, in the various zero wave work teams that we worked in several, in various sections, and also with Julia Otero and other local programs and among others, tough from the last years of the nineties and they gave him the doctor one and cause without having studied journalism. Well, I' ve studied journalism, but of course the bachelor'

s degree, because it requires more intensity. But they gave him doctor honoris cause for his presence on the radio. Well, I don' t ask that much. Nor do I compare myself with the great master of radio journalists, as Luis del Olmo has been. I still live a man really very, very good person, at least in the deal that I knew, and besides, a professional like the cup of a pine that marked the path of

the Creo, the radio talk and many more things. But well, at least I think that de facto we could be considered worthy of being present on the waves. Our team, my whole team, here we are, too. This morning, we' ll be with Victor Minoni, sesca flat gumá look. We need a book growing more together, a guide for couples today.

This book has been written by Esther Martínez la Vera, the psychologist and professor of the University Rovira de Virgilli, here in Tarragona, of Evolutionary Psychology, and Eduardo Brasier, a senior journalist and pastor, a man who has really marked the path. He was for many years the director of Youth for Christ, also a couple who have really contributed a lot to the evangelical world, to the Christian faith and here a book by Esther Martínez with Eduardo Braciel,

but Victor Mironis sesca flatagumá make an explosive combination in the sense. This work contains ten different chapters of theoretical and psychological. Theological application supported in biblical accounts with Eduardo Brasier the first part with ester and then with Victoris It is practical dynamics to develop and internalize concepts of family, couple, life. Listen to the book. I' ve been doing a quick reading of the book

and I tell you one thing. This book had to be studied in universities. I' m telling you for real. Hey, for the book building and then the contribution so rich. Well, growing up more together with Victor miron sesca human plan, we' ve been able to gather all four of them for their chores. But we have captured the attention of Victor and sesca that we will have them online by zool and also of course, through the

waves in many Spanish cities on the train of life. We then have a meeting with our friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Garso a, a man already so experienced and who brings us a lot every time he talks to us solving disagreements and family or conflicts eh, but we' re going to solve problems. Here they make us a very positive proposal and a road map and many aspects

of landscapes of family life with victor seskai Esther and Eduardo Brasier. But now we have the clinical psychologist solving disagreements and family conflicts, Daniel Gaso, you know that he is wise and so precise that he enlightens us with so many questions. Well, then, let' s see him give us tools to get out of some traffic jam than anyone else we have a partner or family, there on the train of life. And then we had the pleasure of

having a communication these days with Alfonso Guevara. He is pastor, even dean of pastors, professor in many theological faculties and very good writer. Pastors have to read two of their free, fleshly shepherds and the life of the shepherd, who are magnificent. We talked about that a little bit, too. But the presentation of his book, a book that has caught my attention by the title so simple but so powerful. Jesus in everything, Jesus in everything?

And He puts thirteen aspects of life, where Jesus is or is not Jesus in everything or Jesus in nothing. But the title draws my attention a lot, but the quality, let' s say literary, of Alfonso' s pen deserves the attention of this book, which is very good. It ' s a book that impacts Jesus on everything. He will tell us a little about his things, his books, his trajectory, and especially about this international presentation of Jesus in everything. Alfonso guevara here on the train of life.

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we are already in a station with good friends. It has been said that a happy and lasting marriage is the result of an intentional work, walking together together beside the creator of marriage, creator with capital. Hey, I was reading this book, doing a quick reading of the book, and I' ll tell you one thing when I read the book. Aside from there are mountains of books related to family, couples, conjugal life, etcetera, etcetera.

But with four people like Esther Martínez, he psychotized them from evolutionary psychology and professor of Eduardo Brasil University, journalist, senior pastor, a very experienced man, Victor Mirón, as well as pastor, also counselor, family, master in therapy, family, presidents of family, family together with sesca flatagomá that is iDen de lo iDen and with the trajectory the experience that they have been bringing since the 1990s, with more intensity ninety I tell you are thirty

- two years that with an unstoppable intensity, they created the Ministry of Family Family, when in Spain, in our communities, the issue was barely addressed in an orderly way and marriages were prepared to give the passage of marriage liaison and other such things that have been taking place in these years. They were pioneers in this case Victor Isheska and Bueno and they have given us some books like this combined with other authors as well. But these books, this book

of these four, I would say characters. Allow me to review it yesterday of these days, which I was reading and was saying this Treaty would have to be given in universities, at least in Christian universities, but in others. They don' t want to, because it' s an architecture about preventing, working, correcting, strengthening conjugal life, family life, relational life. This book is good. Really. I' m not saying that because they' re my friends who are, who are also very close in my

heart, but it' s true. When things are the way they are, believe me, they must be valued. A gria for today' s couples growing more together. This is the book that editorial clie already has for sale, that is, they can directly in the bookstores of the cities in question or editorial cli on their platform. And I welcome my friends. Victor Mirón Sethka Plana Guma, good morning dears, how about good? Days out, how' s it going? We' re fine, if I'

m going to introduce myself. You made us guys. Well, yeah, well, but it' s true, it' s not true. I ' m telling you the truth. Well, I see glowing. Uh, yeah, yeah, well, it' ll be, it' ll be, it' ll be the light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? Well, yeah, yeah, it' s not true. Listen to such a long- awaited book. This was almost the birth of the donkey. Not with this book, good, and of the mountains and mountains. And if the donkeys take so many, turn up. I' ve never

looked like one, but that' s a big wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, it' s been elaborate man. It has cost us time because, in fact, and long ago we had to write and sometimes it takes a push from someone to be able to write truth, but it also thinks it was managed before the pandemic. And the pandemic has shaken us all, it has delayed everything. So, this book should have come out possibly just a year ago and the pandemic on top of that

I' ve been a long birth. The pandemic has made it even longer also Julio, a book written to four humans. Yeah, well, four, four, four by four, sixteen hands that we have two each difficult is more. It' s not agile bread like when you do write one. No, although, on the other hand, it can and is much richer working together, also with Eduardo Ester has been very, very, very, very constructive Pa for everyone. We' ve all learned from the four

of us and it' s been great working together really and easily. Grace, well, there are several elements, a good friendship, but also that you have lectured many together, you have done workshops forums and many things. And that' s also a very, very important contribution to describing, that it' s not easy to write with four hands, it' s difficult, I say to agree, but here they interact several things that are perfect

for a book like this. The topic of theoretical and psychological, the theoretical and psychological contribution of what is family, good marriage, begins with marriage and becomes a family From a moment on, the theological application supports giving in biblical accounts that I have loved. The characters that appear at every scene in the

house, we' ll talk about it a little bit. This is also our friend, Eduardo Brasier, as a good theologian and pastor, and well, you are also pastors, but practical dynamics in order to develop and internalize these concepts. And that' s where you get into action. Well,

you get in the rag with a lot of questions. So the truth is that this book I have said and I would say it again in the end, this book is a book to be studied in theological faculties, at least, uh it would be good in the faculties of the country, to be worked. So you' re actually looking out for it, you said. There are many books and it is true, fortunately, that speak of the

relationship of couple, marriage, family, etcetera. But I dare say that this is unique in the sense that you have well mentioned, it is not a book that is not only in the psychological or relational part, but that there is a book to give tools, to put into action what you have

read. And even more so if you are a Christian, for it gives you even examples in the Bible from which we can learn and realize that what is happening today, because it was also happening many years ago, that we are not living something new in a sense as seen, the basics, and that everything has its solution and its path to improvement and enrichment. Yes, yes, well, it' s good to think about the position marriages insist on each section. This is genius, because it' s a practical bet.

After reading, for example, we entered the chapter. First, there is good, obviously, you have to read the book, because it has a lot of enjundia. Together at the entrance we' ll get in what ' s going on. We' re already in through a house and what ' s going on in that driveway. Well, at that entrance what we got in. We enter with great enthusiasm, we enter with expectations, with

great desire. But when we get in, we don' t just come in, but we also get the backpack that we carry behind each of our families, what we' ve learned from family. Each one leads to his expectation, his idea of family, because it is in which he lived, for good or for evil and for both. Second, also your life experiences before, also your illusions truth and all this, and who is it?

Who is it? He as a person. And all this makes a potyptoti not that comes in with all the illusion and comes in with our suitcases inside the house. And then, there, we have to get to know each other and start seeing the first situations. And I think that' s interesting, being able to talk and be able to have a good start, because a good start, although it' s not determining true, but it always

helps to have a good development afterwards. And how many times in the start is when many have failed because they do not realize the importance of preparing to enter this new building. And if you' ve seen the metaphor we' ve used is the metaphor of a house, in the different situations or rooms that may be in an apartment, in a house, then we get this idea of this metaphor to move around the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The truth is that I have gone through the house with this book and if you talk about all the questions, at least as far as I know or have seen or heard from my pastoral experience that you live from another angle, I say you deal with plans, all the potential situations that can be given and the most complex, even many of the most complex. We got to the living room together and that' s where we' re entering another phase. Right. Yes, In fact, in every stay of the House

we address the basic, basic and most important issues of the relationship. For example, together in the living room is the subject of communication. It gives a sense of relaxation when you sit on the sofa and it is a good place to communicate, to come to the heart, to listen, to share how one feels to share what one expects, desires or is saddened or concerned about. The living room is the place where we address here the issue as

important and basic as the topic of communication, communication. We would be like blood to life, to publication, to couple, to marriage, to everything we do. We communicate, we communicate desires, we communicate anger, we communicate joy, we communicate sadness, we express ourselves to all kinds of communication

movements. Then that' s having that time to be able to talk quietly, having a coffee or whatever it takes or a sherry according to ball or s or whatever it takes, but power in that time to relax and be able to talk and be able to contrast some things. There it can come out, because I know some of the issues that it touches to ester is precisely the almost ill- treatment. Sometimes, because there is a lot of

abuse at the psychological level as well. So, things like that go down and then, like you said, each area has a counseling section, which is our part, and that' s where the Armariage Position system is that in the end as GPS, GPS, you say steal where you' re the most from the car, because here the idea was the same, which is a little bit of coaching yourself, that is, where we were with this topic, where we' re in communication, and the next question is

where and where we want to go. So, interact the two of you and be able to come to a conclusion, if possible. We try to reach the end that of everything you have read flash they reach some points of action, to specific aspects, as that communication. That is the living room yes and you also talk about the real dangers, the danger of infidelity, the repercussions of a separation in the life of our children, violence and abuse, fleeing from n egocentrism, seeking protection, going and the body, the

danger of family disintegration, etcetera. There are things in each section very important to probe and meditate, already to take into account. We arrived in the kitchen, the spouses cooks of family relationships. There' s a lot of cloth in there. Not in the kitchen, the Marster Sheff of the best of all, but the fabric, because there we talk about roles. What does, what, the payatis, macaroni and all that and it' s already out of here you don' t get what' s so important,

no and how many fights, arguments and misunderstandings of valuable roles. No, it looks like the kitchen' s good. This waste is now, fortunately, I' m seeing July lately that more men than women enter the kitchen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s me going in to bite, I' m in. Yeah, that' s right. I'

m still yours Victor. But, but, but, but, but, the but, the truth is that there are many men now, all of me for my children, my son- in- law, are more cooks than my daughter- in- law and me and my daughter at home. Yeah, actually. Yeah, yeah,' cause because they' re born, they' re born Let' s go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? That' s right. Not good, whoever we intend in this chapter, the three or the six. Well, I say the three of you, the six Esther Edward and Victorio, the four of you,

not the six of you. I don' t even know how to tell is to talk about roles, not how important, which is that everyone is in the right place in the relationship. No and do whatever you do by giving a hundred percent, because if there is no correct understanding of roles, there are recriminations. One seems to be working more than the other and it is a discussion that leads nowhere and rather, what they do is distance the

relationship. Then we played this topic in depth at the Council. There is a very concrete case and we think that we give good tools to work on this issue of roles, that it is very important to work it and go into the hall earlier when we enter the marriage, to be able to talk about this topic very clearly and not on the way, although good if it has not been done, because it was going on the way. It' s always good to do it at one time or another, but especially when

the relationship starts how interesting and we keep going around the house. And there is a moment that I like very much because we confront or face our inner life together in front of the mirror, as we are truly individually as well as as as a couple. And then there are many aspects of the imperative need to live slowly and also the necessary wit the temple of the spirit, both emotions. Then he talks a lot about the inner life, about our

need to make an introspection about us. That' s not much of a normal deal, is it? There is no less and less in our circles, sometimes to Christians that we super- spiritualize everything, and it seems that a Christian person cannot have ambiguous feelings or cannot have difficult situations as in his or her area. No, and that relates to spirituality And it' s a big mistake, because in ours we are formed of emotions and emotions is like an inner passage that we all carry. No, it' s hard

to get in there. Some are more extroverted and others less. But worked emotions. It' s important to look at one thing I wanted to tell you before, but also the cases, the welcome home, which is our part, are real cases. These are cases that we have worked through our time, but I would say basically since the last decade and they would almost

say the last few years. They' re very real cases. What happens is that we have changed the scenario and the names and all the truth, but they are cases that we have attended in our personal counseling, in situations that have presented themselves. And it is curious because in every chapter that, as I say, as we have said these three sections, ours, which is that of the Council. It is curious because, for example, on the subject of communication, the case we are dealing with, as Victor said,

is a real case, but it is that we could here. But in a real case it is that the vast majority great majority who come to a consultation for a topic of bad communication is that we all look very much alike, is that it differs little, there is a different environment, obviously, but what is the basis. I say this because sometimes we can think that only this happens to me and this is like very dramatic, and it ' s dramatic if I don' t look for a solution, if I

don' t look for tools to help me. But we have to know that we all look a lot alike, that we are working on the same boat, to say, somehow and wishing to go to the same place and we need tools. That' s why, when we play, we take a case in the communication case, it' s good for everyone. It serves everyone, because in what tools are given to help a better communication to all marriages, that we read this chapter, we have better, worse communication.

Something' s gonna fill us up real sure. Yeah,' cause we look alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have similar similarities, no doubt and we come to a very interesting point together in the bedroom. This I if anyone has heard speak well and clearly of this is to you and especially good to both, but especially to Victor who enters into matter to good break taboos. I knew at this point, no more, no more,

there is no place. But this conjugating the verb love in all its times and seeing or loving in sexuality among other things, et cetera, et cetera. There are many very important distances here. This theme is how important you give it together in the bedroom. Well, it' s vital to look at this weekend. We were giving weekends these retreats or wedding meetings and we talked about that topic and we said that the sexual relationship in the couple

is the thermometer of the relationship. There are people who say we have sex because we are going to increase our partner relationship. Not the intimacy that there is and expressed in a sexual way between the two. It tells us whether there is a fever or no fever in this marriage, whether it works or not. Because it is the freest and deepest action that is involved all that

we are. The sexual relationship is global. I mean, there' s my thought, there' s my feelings, there' s my body, of course, but there' s also my social aspect, the expression, and there' s also my spirituality. That' s not all out of relationships. That' s why it' s important that when we have relationships, be it with the person we love and with an expression like the end of a good communication, as you know when you put communication, you want

to review a word, you put a few points of admiration. That would be the idea of sexuality in the relationship, which goes through different stages. Imagine how much fun, because each one carries his own fantasies and all this sometimes bothers us more, it does not help us to have a good intimacy. That is why it seems to us to be a very key, very key aspect. There are many couples who don' t have relationships or some who just look for a relationship. It' s, if this was a

triangle, love. In fact, if that would be one of the cleaters and one of the sides, the other would be the aspect of friendship of companionship and the other would also be well understood love, but I don' t know. We think it' s basic and I have to say in this section, in the welcome to the bedroom, Esther touches it in a masterful way. She has the most psychological part, but in a masterful way,

because of techniques. There are lots of technical books on how to have sex in every way, in every style and in every position, but of love of love, tenderness, respect, when there is sexual relationship, this is another song and in this chapter just what we do as Eduardo who speaks of Solomon and the Shulamite, is not very beautiful beautiful relationship. I mean, I think we have a very good understanding in this chapter of what love is, what tenderness is, what passion is, what sex is, and

what sexual relationship also entails and carries the relationship. We always quote to cease Luis, the one of Narnia' s chronicles, because he has fantastic phrases. Besides man writes, but says pleasure is an invention of God, not of the Devil, and of Christians we sometimes think this is something. Pleasure

is an invention of God and not of the Devil. The Devil has spoiled it, but Lord God has designed it for our enjoyment And then, my great professor, Dr Hendriks or Bard Hendris, who instructed me in all this. He always said Victor. We are not to be ashamed of what God was not ashamed of in that, I repeat the phrase is in the book. We should not be ashamed to speak of what God was not ashamed to

create. So, let' s talk in a way. If anyone can speak well of the sexual relationship, of the intimacy between a man and a woman in marriage. They' re an isthion, because we know the one who designed it out of obedience. Therefore, there is the chapter to read

them all and the example of chalomon going to his humintad is precious. In addition, the singing of the songs, which is a book of sexual relations, is a book in the purest and noblest sense the word, but intentionally clear you can look you can spiritualize, yes, but you have spiritualized it in order not to recognize your reality. Also Yes, yes, exact,

exact It is a book of love in its pure essence. But in addition to the hormonal question and sexual desire and the differences between men and women, the way of organizing life and thoughts, there I understand that Esther works it, no, because in the states of mind there are also hormonal alterations, let' s say the sluggishness, the apathy and so many, here there is punch cloth to learn and catch up. It talks about reproduction and birth

control, which is also interesting. These themes sometimes in our homes, in our comforts we do not touch much or nothing. Yes, yes, yes, there is also a chapter, there is a very important section on adopted children and the subject of mind control. But we come to a moment that can also go unnoticed, but that is the u used or the cause of many conflicts in the Conjugal life or in the family together in the office, which is the administrative life of the couple. This issue is important to talk

to us a little bit about. Well, it' s a topic, as you well said too, that carries its pressure when we live together and when each one has or comes also with the idea of individual or personal. When we get married and have a project in common, we have to agree on many things and on one of them and basics, the economy, how we spend, how we invest, how we keep it and how we give

tools and suggestions on how to grow more together. In this topic do not notice that always laid motive, although we are passing by home, is always growing, but not growing but growing more together, for example, in money.

What is happening and what we have seen for a long time, which we are also doing and presenting the seminar of orientation to marriage, which is the seminar of preparation for those who are to be married, and we always talk to them about the money, then we say, and here also the topic of budgets, that the money is to be spent according to an agreed budget of the couple. But we always say that every money that comes into

the house is family money and today it is done the opposite. You have a common expense account and you each have your own account, your own income, and you don' t account for anyone, anything, anyone, not least the couple or their husband or wife for what you' re earning. So this is no longer a growth according to our judgment, it is no longer a growth. Together there is something all together, but then the other thing, each one goes his own way and we believe that this does not

help us. More points have to be made. Any money that comes into the house, the family money must be managed and it must be managed under a budget that must be agreed earlier by the couple. That' s where the issues go, and the case study also goes in a tense situation on this money issue, which in this section, in the July office, in a place where one' s trust with the other is evidenced to touch money,

trust, transparency, there' s nothing to hide. What I receive and what you receive, as Victor said, is from the common family fund. And it seems that on the economic issue trust brings us problems. And it is the place, I repeat, where it is said this justly.

Yes, yes, yes, Wow, How much I want to recommend to our listeners the book that is already released the publication of editorial clie In in the voice and pens of Victor Mirons Esparranama, Esther Martínez, Eduardo Brasier, a great quartet good, complement each other in everything by growing more together a guide for couples today and we are addressing nothing a section, the succinct of each of the ten chapters that the book has and we talked about this,

but we move on to the chapter together on the terrace. There is the time of a place for emotions, emotionality and emotion, with its highs and lows, in human life, true, also in the couple, in the family. And as this also affects us, it is not but also in the body, to say, emotions also affect us the idea of knowing how

to accept ourselves in this area. And also, because there is just one issue and that is not very important, that is to be faced, that is the intermittent explosive disorder, which is now in these very defined disorders.

Then she plays it well, because sometimes there are people who are explosive and copio porrazo, they are quiet of a brin and it explodes not and of course, the other one is surprised what happens here and then the terrace does not know whether to go out to look the neighbor or to throw you on the terrace, then she plays well is it plays it in a fantastic way. Not how the unexpected that happens every day in life can dislodge us and how we react, how we control this and be able to speak things in

a calm and serene way. Also here Eduardo, I think it is in this chapter that speaks yes of a marriage night. Yes, Eduardo, in all the chapters, Eduardo has an ease, a gift to extract from the Bible a couple and place it in the theme that we are touching, that we ourselves that hallucinated and enjoyed a lot when together we shared what each one contributed from Eduardo, we learned a lot because, especially those that we have, because the good not, the good custom, the need to get close

to the Bible and learn from it. There are many couples in situation, so you are in all these rooms that we are commenting on, and Eduardo gives them to us in a fantastic way. Really. That' s why I noticed if he married anonymously and I named, according to my imagination, Victor. No, no, no good. I put the character Peter, who seems to pass from that as if he were an individualistic man who does not appear good, but appears Jesus healthy to the mother- in- law

of Peter was married. He also lived in Capernaun Jesus was staying in his house, his wife attended him and Peter was a very emotional, very, very characteristically, very powerful or very angry guy. So and so. But the addition is very charismatic at the same time, but very emotional. If you see him in tre showsent in the series, Pedro fights in the sense of disco with others, but in depth, that is, he is very

emotional. Very this is the character and I imagined here in this scene he and his wife, So, in good suggestions we will go to is. In our case, for example, when we do welcome, we decide welcome home, it' s like we' re doing an orientation, a counseling, but with a coffee in between, that is, a formal thing but, but then we always present if you see if we do as a summary of the point, for example, in this case it' s how we

express our emotions. There' s a summary of the point. Then we put ourselves on the scene, that is, we present them to a couple in this case, because they happen, I think it is Raúl Isabel and they have a situation. Then we describe it, the situation and then, focusing on the orientation and saying so, they enter our house, so to speak, in our office, our counseling, and then we focus on them, we talk to them, that is, it is the first interaction,

which is what brings them, which is the situation they have. We therefore try to ask questions and guide them in their situation and propose some concrete solutions. No one leaves cured, because this is a session and it would take more, but more or less. Here too we give guidelines in all the councils so that some counselors can follow some of these guidelines and find themselves in situations similar to those in front of them. And then the MPS will come.

No marriage, so where are you, then you have to communicate. You' re here. We' ll know if they work or not. If we apply them. Sure, sure, okay, sure, so that ' s when they have real courage we get here. If we get there,

don' t go ahead. Not that I say we usually end counseling, because we give them some Bible principles or the word of God that we want advice that normally will come from proverbs other places that can apply them if they are Christians, for we usually end up asking God to intervene in this area, if we don' t always suggest at the end in the MPS that if it is appropriate for them to talk to God regarding that subject, if we always try to lead them to a situation also profound of making decisions

and presenting it if they are believers And if not, then also that they discover it and see that God is much more interested in them, in their health and committed to their health and happiness than themselves, and I think that

is important. I very much like chapter eight together in the Community, which there are several aspects and even seen of some philosophical ideas within what is necessary spirituality and the sense of belonging to the Community, also to the community of the local church, as a host community also in the solidarity, social humanitarian

part, which are in the adn of all, also we. But this is the issue of the relationship of the family, of the couple with the community, in the community of faith is also important our good yes and so important that we have put it. I do not think that all couples, all of them who say no, also need support and also to feel part of others who are in the same process as we in the Community. We find this, other couples, other marriages, other families from which I can

learn, from which I can even ask the Council and the Community. It ' s also where one of the roads is, not the only one, where I get it, too. There we are all exposed together in a recognition of God that he created us and it is something that we also do together as marriage, going to the Church or to the Community and where we can, in some way, express our needs also before God and others.

We can be of help to other marriages, with our testimony, with our example, with our way of life, and we also encourage them in this that now I remember well the case of study, but it seems to me that it is a couple that is a little isolated and one of the themes that we present to them is that they are also part of the Community and we also launch the idea of groups of marriages that they find themselves, not

because people lack friendship and lack good friendships, those groups of marriages that sometimes

form in comedies just for example. Now it is only an example giving home to take this book and read it among several marriages totally and comment because, in fact, the questions of the maris Position syste matrimony position exist, because it is intended for this can be individual level or can be applied calmly in a group profile more or less if the one who coordinates the group has a minimum of experience and but rather contact us that we will tell you how truth.

But that can be applied to you like this, is serir, the idea that you don' t just live that you a marriage. You are not alone on an island that you are Robins are Crusoe, that you are alone there, on an island that is called society, but quite the opposite. Work with others and live with others. This book can, if you can, forgive me. This book can be used as you say, but

very pertinently in groups. By chapters he said da has a subject to work it in perfect groups, that is, that we encourage our listeners that if they are going to achieve it either in their life groups or in their local

churches, they can propose it. Yes it is eska yes. I wasn ' t going to mention just in this chapter where Edward speaks of here the epistilation of this marriage that had a common project, as marriage, apart from the purpose of personal life of each one, a common project and a spirit of tremendous service to the Community and we see how God uses them, his gifts to bless so many people things, to use his house, his house and it is four continents when we see them where vanbren open is always an

example for all trini In addition, they have the paradigm that we can see in many things here the and Priscilla is also the role of women in life, not that of men and women are among equals in the dynamics of life. So, I' ll bet you' ll see that that' s coming to an end. Or not, no no no? Don' t

you? Don' t you? Not true of us. No this no, no, no I had not sent it my that I am saying at that time, at that time book It was that time because when we speak of here the pristion, that is to say who is one and who is another. Almost, of course, they' re both going to one. Not that I have a very bad joke Julio, well, I point out to me here and I point to Seska here the prisoner, the pool is oval, but visually it looks better here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, hey, no, but it' s important. Words are not casual. In the new Testament and more at the time when it was written, giving preference, clear in Roman culture, there was another disposition also in the Greek Roman culture at the time, but in what is the Christian atmosphere and the religious atmosphere, this was almost marginalized. Not the woman with the lead. The woman, then, is not casual, it is

not random that to the Tuntun who writes it Paul. Paul knows what he writes again and again Here he had it, that is, it means when in the family relationship or Conyugal the roles of each one are affected, of course, but that perhaps, the woman has a natural role in some aspects that the man does not have in communication or in something and that then one does not feel minus, valued or complexed, that is, well the woman seems to mean this, it is important to also discover this. Yeah.

Besides, in the case, yes, I can do a quick digression. In the case of the two of them, it can be seen that here it was more Jewish. When there is an emperor who applauded them, who expels the Jews, expels them. Aquila was Jewish, but it seems that Priscilla came from a well- Roman house because of the fact that it was a large house and it is seen that she was the owner, that see, then she was a highly prepared and high society woman. Then here we

can begin to elaborate. A lot of this researched and it seems that this one goes around the topics and the important thing is that each one carried the strong part of each one that was perfectly complemented and together they were a bomb. Yes, ma' am, yes, the truth is, yes, well, we' re already moving towards the end, together, to the

end. This is a self- assertion. Not cohabitation for years, not clauding, not giving up and adjusting pieces in the puzzle is spoken of the indispensable tenderness always until the end as a recurring experience, the empty nest, etcetera, etcetera. And then the example of hugging and Sara that did become old, not together. And besides, waiting for great, great things of God. No. I think I' m leaving here. I think we ' re all four of us, because we' ve been married for a

few years now. I don' t know if it' s forty- thirty- one years, forty- seven, forty- seven. We and we project here, say, together, it continues to grow together, to where, to the end. Not as there is a song of the divo that we love about this musical group that also sings these patterns, that one will die by the covid the one that was part of the Spanish one, precisely of them by death. But there' s a song that says to my end. Says I promise you love, until my end, I mean,

not until mine? Since I die and I don' t, he can' t promise you anymore, no, but even mine can? It ' s a beautiful song to hear as a marriage. And well, there it is until the end, until the end, and of course there will be my faces. Yeah, yeah, and then we get case yeah.

I' m saying that the case we' re presenting is curious, because it' s a case of an older marriage that we don' t know if they' re going to meet or not, but they pose, they ' ve grown older, the kids have gone home and now it says good, and now what we do and how we' re going to stand. But each has different interests. We have respected each other more or less dearly so far, but why we do not know different paths and without being great

things, without making great external mistakes. The big mistake is that they don ' t want to make it to the end together. So it' s a curious approach, with no happy ending or either because we don' t know how. As the story has ended, but there it is reflected that it is a situation that occurs a lot in people of a similar age to ours. Yes, well, yes, we do give guidance. And the last chapter, and it' s another good thing, the last chapter is

very endearing. Together in our memories, Seska' s parents, Victor' s parents, Edward' s parents and Esther' s parents, and each of us knew practically everyone except Edward' s and Esther' s, of course, as well as yours. And the truth is that you portray him there and let him know that you would be good to see. I think it' s a book It' s like our last memories. Not the

book, the book as our last memories. So to speak. And the last chapter is a way that we say the four, honor our parents in some way and explain, because the testimony, the story or something that stood out in his life and that splashed us so much, because we wanted to put it on a role and make it public so that God also used it, because there are four stories, that of our parents wou very powerful,

very powerful. All the stories are powerful and I' ve been careful sometimes when you put them on a paper you realize how intense this life has been. No, but in our case we are very happy to have put this chapter at the end and honor our parents is called the beautiful thing that we all have memories and we must be together in our memories also share them. But here the subject, if you' ve read it and if we tell people, it' s a whole different chapter. There' s no Maria

here, Exposition Syster. There' s nothing here about all this, there ' s no more, there' s no counseling. Here' s the idea of honoring. And besides, when we start, notice that first Seska ' s parents start, that' s the fidelity to sharing their faith and that' s what you know pretty well. They were my spiritual godfathers. Or yes, I did live it up close for that, that' s

why. But the interesting thing is then come my parents who, without knowing it, they were faithful in opening their home in the disciple, that is, among other people, the ones my parents welcomed were Seska' s parents, and there we met in our childhood for it, for them, not for our parents. There' s a connection there. But then you go next to Eduardo, who is not, because he is linked to this one. But if you look if it' s the one with the ester there,

you' ll see that we' re going out, too. I go out because and well, Esther' s father and my father were very, very, very friends and today I was going to spend the holidays right in the village, all the quality, where was the father of this pastor who was in the end you did not have the tru and there we established

a childhood friendship. So here are some links that have now been translated into the future, after so many years of working together, it has been translated, therefore, into this book and above all into something very important, that we have not only grown in age in relation, but also this book has helped us to grow more together as brothers and as friends. And I think

this is one for us. The best result has been to deepen our friendship with Eduardo and with this one we do have a lot of how beautiful, well, they are magnificent, the truth that yes. Besides, they' re on such a rich trajectory. He doesn' t hear what a quartet, which is that to enjoy it, yes danger is yes, no no, but you have brought us many things. Thank you so much with so

much fervor and enthusiasm and that spark that conveys essence of life hears. I know that, in addition to the fact that this book is going to be presented in different forums shortly here in Barcelona, you have a meeting for grandparents. We' re talking about grandparents that I want to be there. I also don' t know if you can have copies of the book at that

meeting. Well, we would have to talk about it possibly clearly to see we don' t want to shadow the speaker who gives the talk at this meeting, that that Felix Ortiz, who is going to talk about how if we know, you know the world in which your grandchildren live, and then he' s going to talk to us about this and he' s going to bring a book that talks about values and very good and we' re

going to promote it. Maybe we' ll leave this one there if someone wants and asks us, we' ll talk it over with the organizers if they let us have this book. There is one thing also in the book below, in the entry biography there is also an email. We' ve

put only one is mine. If people want to contact us to give their opinion or ask for more books, or I don' t know more than to give, apart from the editorial, also give a moment' s contact with someone so they can write or tell us some opinion that we would like. Those who have received it. I think even at the beginning of everything they' ve received or read, because they can give us your opinion.

Your testimony. Yeah, well, it' s on the page, well after our presentation, what before the dedication is there, I think it' s created and if he' s not in the edition we' ve done here so yours isn' t. But yes, yes, he will be. Yeah, perfect. If I remember, you remember me, you say it in a loud voice. There I suddenly see interesting, wait. Victor, yes, Victor throws family to family. Point is Victor robbing to steal that family stuff. There are two family doses to families. Point It'

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Of course, the problem will perhaps continue to cronify or worsen, but here it resolves disagreements and family conflicts. This is something we also need to learn. It seems that we know everything, even those who have training in different fields we do not believe ourselves, perhaps unconsciously. I do not say that some consciously self- sufficient and no. We do not have to relearn and

learn humility and also assertiveness and communication. One of the points of reference by which the temporal periods in the way of life of today' s society are measured are the different holiday periods, especially distributed throughout the year, winter holidays

or spring holidays and also summer holidays. They are usually the three moments in which families intensify their coexistence, including contact with those cousins with whom we do not usually contact in the rest of the year, or those guys who live far away and with whom we do not relate more than at Christmas or Summer,

for example. In any case there is an equation that is written in our family life over and over again on repeated occasions, holidays, more extraordinary expenses, more family reunions, conflicts equal to conflicts in the worst cases of disagreements, disagreements and other uncomfortable situations, family conflicts, disagreements, disagreements and

diverse situations. Perhaps because, in many cases, the most intense contact they produce on vacation, coupled with the widespread stress that this extraordinary consumption of family time produces in these periods act as triggers. It seems that since we do not see ourselves so intensely there, it seems that there comes a moment that comes out all the good and not so good and bring out conflicts and disagreements

that have been in lethargy throughout the year. We wondered if it might be interesting to resolve some family misalignments so we wouldn' t find them the following year. That is why today the issue is resolving disagreements and family conflicts with the clinical century Daniel gaso here in the colors of life. Good morning, dear, dear friend, dear, Daniel, Good morning, Julio and all those who listen to us as always a pleasure to get on the train.

We talked about this issue by resolving disagreements and family conflicts. Today, perhaps first of all, we should ask ourselves, Daniel, what exactly is a disagreement, although we seem to know well, I don' t know if we know so well. Yeah, yeah, that' s right. It ' s true July. Sometimes we think we' re clear, but it ' s not really that clear definitely that the image we would like would be a distant or peaceful horizon, without experience, without conflict, in the middle

of an idyllic landscape, etcetera. It is a very reassuring and very desirable vision. But what makes us grow and develop, become what we are and perhaps make ourselves even worthy of that holiday print are the problems and overcoming those problems, especially when those problems are in the family environment, there is no place for greater growth. There are yung that most perfect for growth and development both personal and group as well as family environment. It is also true that

not all problems. Not all conflicts and disagreements have brought with them great achievements and growths, or everything has to be said, so it is then what transforms a problem or conflict into something harmful, into a good tool, perhaps that favors personal growth, because in the end that would be the exact desirable,

because look. I believe that the difference is in the way we face it or overcome it, that is, that the key would be in how to define well what we understand by disagreements helps us not to fall into some traps, for example, considering that conflict itself is a bad thing and that is why the best option is to avoid it. At all costs. There are people who live in constant tension all day long and all day long to avoid conflicts. And that' s our solution. Nor does that mean that

we do not face the problem or the problems. So, let' s not fix them. And so, what we do is to continue to experience the consequences of that problem because we do not face it, because our goal, we think, is to avoid it. It also helps us to avoid thinking about having a clear definition, to avoid thinking that the person has something against us, because we are the conflict and not the specific situation or attitude.

What it does, because it makes us live every aspect, to negotiate or every agreement, to agree as an attack on our person, as something personal and not as an option of change to improve the situation, which is really what a conflict must be. Therefore, it would be, because it would be the situation of discordance or disagreement that exists between the tendencies, thoughts, ideas, etc, interest or interests of someone and the impositions or external

impositions. That' s what would be in conflict. Sure, well, well, it' s a very clear definition. Conflicts are bad or family problems are unwanted, surely not, but bad. Or they contain something, something positive in the background, because, as the famous song says, depends on whether we are willing to work and manage them or not. It' s a conflict. It' s bad if we' re willing to just run away from him. That' s sure to be bad. That' s not good, it' s not positive, because they don' t

generate growth or anything. It only generates flight and escape the crisis, conflict or problem has the name that it presents itself as a place of growth and personal and group advancement, part of a perfect, fantastic opportunity to learn or, to face and manage future problems also in other groups, making us more autonomous and assertive. That is what is really a conflict and therefore that is

not a bad thing, it is a good thing. In that sense, they become bad when, therefore, when conflicts are avoided or badly solved, in reality, our culture educates us. It' s funny, Julio, because he' s a partner He was thinking that our culture educates us to manage happiness or well- being, but not to manage adversity and disappointment.

It' s funny, but we are a culture that is used and educated to manage happiness and comfort, so we grow by developing very little tolerance to disappointment and conflict in relationships, especially, in other words, we generally have or have very thin skin. We don' t realize that, but since we' re not used to not having let' s say it like that, we obsess focusing on what we don' t have and disfocusing on how much we do have. And we' re not talking about material things.

I also refer to the emotional and relational fields. For example, I don ' t have enough admiration, I don' t have enough success. I don' t think I' m feeling well. Don' t you think enough about me et cetera, et cetera? Many times if we focus on what I don' t have, many times the typical family conflicts remain in time because we strive to maintain a sort of internal warehouse where we keep all

the things that others have done wrong with us. It is that masters to do we bring it up to date in maintenance is perfectly up to date. However, we forget to keep abreast of all the things that others do for us and do not even think about the record of all the things that we ourselves do wrong with others. That would probably help us put things a little bit more into perspective and what the situation is. Perhaps we couldn' t

possibly have the conflict so serious or so difficult or so complicated. Or we wouldn' t see that what others have done to us or we are so serious, because we would see that we have done wrong to others in many things, and at the same time, those others who have done us wrong are many of the caphons have also done good things to us. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, geez, how many, how many questions we unravel and how many aspects of a question of disagreements and conflicts to find guidelines.

First do an analysis, as Daniel Gasso, the psychologist, is doing about the nature of conflicts, and then we' ll look at some guidelines. Let us also speak first of the conflicts, that is, Daniel, those situations that involve me and another all are, in essence, very similar really so that all are solved more or less the same way or very similar, because the truth is that, although they are very similar in many things, all the conflict between them people have very, very, very similar components

in many aspects. But there is no standard conflict or list of conflicts. But it is true that there are alarms and behaviors that can be potentially conflicting. For example, inflexibility. That produces safe conflict, insubmission by system or not as the first answer for everything. Okay, I don' t want to, I don' t want to, I don' t like anything.

It is worth the absolute not without reason, that is, no, but without reason, because isolation that is another of the things that favors conflict, the overprotection attention there, especially the parents, the overprotection or the paternalistic attitudes and control here in the first area, in the first aspect, the overprotection of the children. We have already said this many times when I overprotect my son, although I do so with all my heart to prevent him from

actually suffering the message he receives is te. I consider it so inept that I have to do it for you, because I know you will do it wrong. Let us think a lot about that, above all and of course, that creates conflict situations. Then, paternalistic attitudes, which can be with groups with employees, among senior employees, among family and acquaintance groups and friends,

etcetera. Taking a paternalistic attitude is neither the solution nor the attitude of that control, especially in the area of the family and specifically in marriage, nor do things favor. Then they have more selflessness or indifference. That' s the opposite side. If control is on one side, disinterest or indifference is on the other. Both sides are drawbacks and generate conflicts and lack of response. Of course, it is, that is, to know the difference

between interpersonal thermoflict and what internal conflict is very important. It is very common to find problems of self- esteem, depression and social adaptation, academic problems, etc, for example, in adolescent children, in young people who occur after a avoided or poorly solved family conflict. That also happens sometimes we think or we focus with good is that our son, our daughter, has a bad result. It is very close to what could be defined as school failure.

He' s suspended a lot of GOP subjects, etcetera. And we often don' t want to focus on solving that. But perhaps the trigger of that has nothing to do with anything in the school or academic arena. Sometimes it is a conflict at the family level, at the rational level, that is poorly closed, that has not been closed well and that brings such repercussions. All of this implies that when a conflict is not properly treated,

this is what makes it internalized. I would even say that even in many cases, hiding inside the person and going out when there is like a crash, when there is another situation that triggers it. Well, we' re moving on. But what happens to adults exactly the same thing happens, because it really does, especially in family conflicts. In the adult field. It is important to keep in mind that if an emotional reaction to a conflict that

seems to always seem out of place or exaggerated or disorbited. In many cases, what it is doing is to show that there is a misunderstanding of the problem or the accumulated discomfort of previous conflicts that have not been resolved. I mean, often the problem is that we lack information. It' s really not a lack of information about something. In this case we must be patient and not be carried away by the reaction of the other, as it has

little to do with the conflict situation itself. How emotionally emotionally? More economical is to deal with and talk many times about the emotional economy, the most economic, emotionally, is to try to help the other to truly express what is hurting him of the situation and what he thinks we are asking, demanding or demanding, rather than entering directly into the Tennis Party. But for you, but note, for me, the best thing we can do is stop

for a moment, I think, and lose the person. Please explain to me what something can really do so that you can explain to me what you are understanding, what I ask of you, what I demand of you, what I demand of you, etcetera, etcetera. And let' s talk about that explains what' s going on in here. Well, how could we also prevent such conflicts and within the family. Daniel, because the first thing we should forget in July is that you have the objective of avoiding the

presence of conflicts in the family. As we said at the beginning, it is impossible and I would dare say that it would almost be insane. A family with no conflict is a scenario where there are no disagreements or disagreements, and that can only mean two things. Basically or there is no communication, on the one hand, and we live just by sharing space, either there is someone who imposes his vision and everyone else is banned and devastated and neither

of the assumptions will be an emotional or relationally healthy scenario. I mean, it can be these two things. Either, on the one hand, communication is null and void we simply share space, or there is someone who dictates what is done here, what I say and nothing else, without any other kind of nuance And obviously, there are no conflicts, because there is no one who dares to raise his voice and decide disagree. Then we need to

strive to be consistent with our way of acting and speaking. We cannot wait for the other to be consistent to be us. Then, it is best to have the initiative of being coherent in things. We must move forward with that initiative. Being patient helps tolerance and respect for others. Let' s remember the best way to demand respect is by giving the first thing. It is so clear and this is plagued in the same scriptures. Worthy of making

you be plagued with that one and behaving to others. Like you would want the others to do with you. That' s not a religious principle, it' s a principle of life. It really is a principle of life to listen with a attention seeking not to misunderstand. We do that many times,

not to interpret, but to interpret. But whenever we interpret without asking for sufficient clarification or having enough information, we end up misinterpreting and, as we always say, trying to put them in each other' s shoes no

matter how loaded we seem to be. But even if you think you' re right, try to put yourself in each other' s shoes, because you may find that he also has a lot of other important things, to maintain clear values and rules that do not lead to confusion and are respected by all of us, the first at home, we maintain values, in principles and rules that we must all respect and as they are clear, because there is no doubt to learn to take the initiative in problems, for example,

trying to solve them and provide solutions, that is, as the famous phrase says, either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Let us remember that disagreements and conflicts or we are reactive, that we have talked about on other occasions. Or we' re very reactive. Or we' re proactive, I mean, we' re looking. Let us not be guided by what others have done to us or have told us,

but we take the initiative to act in search of solutions. And that simply depends on a decision that we make or decide to react, or say or act then show our affection for others with our attitude. That' s important. There' s no distance a good hug can' t cover. That' s the truth, and more in the family environment, to LaBar when some family member looked, so that' s not just for fathers or

mothers. We have to learn to show admiration to people and say it many times and we always tend to say what they' re doing wrong, and we do there' s a fasis in what they' re doing wrong, but because at least in the same proportion we don' t tell them what they' re doing right and we congratulate ourselves or congratulate them on that then

get used to and ask forgiveness for mistakes. Another important thing in maintaining family conversations and time of cohabitation in a systematic way, that is to say to keep it always present. I do not mean that we have to do that every day from eight to eight or forty- five, but that we systematically keep in mind that in our minds we need to have or not to have closed the day without having had a small time of communication, creating situations of

family fun. It is also important to take care of the environment and at the individual level and to avoid charging us and giving the store of bad records that then explode when it is teleno to overflow and there is an uncontrolled explosion or emotional ventilation, that is to say, to keep the accounts short, not to wait to give our warehouse and when it is ready to be crowded, at the point of exposure, then to open the door and to leave

all the horse riding above, well, and how many things to prevent conflicts in the family area, how many practical guidelines our friend Daniel is giving us this morning and how we could avoid reaching also an emotional explosion situation, also that could happen, because yes, it is true that this happens many times, precisely because we said before, because we kept in the warehouse for a

long time. We try to avoid conflicts, because we misunderstand what a conflict is, we misinterpret the situation, we try to avoid it until we believe that we are already bursting, because we can no longer. First of all, we should make a small effort to reflect on a question that may seem obvious to many of Julio' s listeners to ask them what is really going

on. Many times, the problem is not that we are upset because someone forgot, maybe bring the drink to the family scene or anything else like that or someone forgets to bring the desserts or whatever they forgot, put them in the fridge or whatever, but because it is the person who almost always forgets and already did it to us last year. That' s what generates the problem, the discomfort in us. We' re not really if that happens.

We are not really reacting to something that happened to what happened now, but something that happened a year ago and that we kept in our warehouse of unresolved conflicts and grievances. But the real problem with what' s happened is that we don' t have enough booze for everyone. Or that desserts aren ' t in the fridge and that' s, in fact, what we should focus on now the present, without adding to last year' s outstanding

resentment, because that should have been closed a year ago. One of the things that can help us first to think about not maintaining that activity, because that attitude stigmatizes people, frames us, typifies us and that is not interesting. But one of the things that can help us is also to work individually

to develop the habit of acting preventively. What I mean, because when I feel a little charged and my call of grievances, it starts to get my attention, that is, I start getting more irritable normal for anything, etcetera, etcetera. It may be a list of the things my family has done for me in recent times. It is up to each the period to be taken into account. Of course, that' s up to everyone, but we all see that I know the last year, for example, and also

an honest list. Of course, being honest about all the things I' ve done wrong with those people. Once with both lists present us and remember that the presence to see the two lists, that is, of the things that they have done well for me and the things that I have done wrong for them, proves that we are imperfect people, all that we love each other imperfectly, and that helps us to be a little more tolerant of the

cases, the things that we have done wrong with us. And most likely, in view of those two lists, if we are already crafting to abuse the Christ, it would be to draw up a third list of things that others have done wrong with us, it will end up looking smaller or less serious. I mean, let' s end up with the list of grievances.

Let' s do it in the end. First let us keep two other things in mind, and surely when we look at the third list we will say clearly, because the truth is that it is not so important. This reflection is also interesting, but prejudiced attitudes and judgments of intent are other factors that also trigger family problems. No Daniel, for in fact, so it is many times we judge the intentions of others even without having enough information

about what has happened in their inner world. If we judge the other person ' s intentions and rely on it in that judgment that we have made, without further information to plan the relationship with the other, we run the risk of answering and reacting to the intentions that we believe the other has and we lose sight of our true objectives and we are certain to be wrong in addition, because none of us has the ability to be within the other person'

s mind and heart. In this way we can bequeath to being aggressive or passive, that is, if they have done something that hurt us and we think they have done it with good intentions, we can be tempted to let it go, that is, excused, say well, well, we are not going to have to talk about it and not say anything. But instead, we feel hurt and upset. And that' s where it goes to

the grievance store. Why, because we don' t treat him. But if we judge, for example, that they have done it with bad intent, we will attack their evil in quotation marks and not the facts, and then how we will be rather aggressive hostile. Wanting the other to recognize how wrong he is and submit completely to my wishes can be an emotional goal to compensate for the humiliation we have felt. But that' s really the purpose. That' s what we have to do. It makes sense that there

' s a winner and a loser. This solves the conflict, because the loser is not going to stay or he' s going to confirm himself to be the loser, he' s going to save his loss and come out another time. That is, the solution is not that there is an entrepreneurial winner. I won because I' m right. You' ve lost because you don' t have it good, because maybe on that occasion you do, but it' s the keeper and that doesn' t solve anything.

One thing we can do to keep our family relationships healthy, to consider how much we know our relatives and to gather information about them, their illusions, their desertions, their tastes, their dreams, their struggles, etcetera, etcetera. A patient Julio, if I may be, I' ll comment on a patient I asked permission to. Of course, he previously prepared a questionnaire that he did in these days of family meetings and meetings to do to others.

And I challenged him to focus on others because this felt hurt, something wronged, and I threw away the challenge of focusing on others and focusing on

knowing them rather than focusing on what they have done wrong there. To you and if you allow me to share some of those questions, not all because I was smart that he did, it was very long and really very interesting, but some because in the end those encounters became something really fun and it was kind of a family game and it was a very rewarding experience for everyone. For example, one of the questions was what is your favorite food and

what is the least you like that you would never eat in life. Second thing, you didn' t do what you would have liked to do. Another thing, what would have been the mistake you' ve made, that made you redder is worth it. I' m going to be perhaps paused to take note of those who want a little bit to apply those questions or variations of those. Another thing, what you would like to devote more time to, what a hobby you would have liked to have and that, in

the end you haven' t had. How do you look from here ten years, how would you like to see what has been the best or the best times of your life, what values more of a few people, what is your best virtue and your worst flaw, what superpower would you like to have? I find this especially amusing. What super power would you like if you were an animal, what animal would you be, What is the mood you like least, the one you like the most, type of person would

be afraid of. What' s the biggest crazy thing you' ve ever done. What would be a good title for your biography, your autobiography. What most people should think about you and it' s not true. I mean things you think most people think about you, but you know it' s not entirely true. How you would describe yourself with the phrase. I ' m trying to describe you with a sentence. That' s a good

game. So I encourage those who listen to us to try to ask those questions as if it were a family game and they will see that it is really fun and uplifting. That' s good, how interesting I was asking myself those same questions every time I was reading them and how you would describe yourself with a good phrase, as a realistic dreamer. And that' s a good definition, fantastic, description and besides, I totally believe it.

Yes, yes, yes and well And to measure here you are talking, because it is a very interesting self test, very interesting to put the mirror in front of us and perhaps to resituate ourselves in some things truth, these yes, that is how it helps us now to situate ourselves and also to know that others also feel, need, think, experience and that they are, like us, imperfect and that we have learned to live with that imperfection, even to celebrate it because so one. It doesn' t feel like

a weirdo, just like that. If we are sincere and honest, we realize that discovering that we are surrounded by imperfect people like ourselves, who face the same conflicts and problems. That will help us to fulfill a principle that is also the gospels. To laugh with those who laugh and cry with those

who pray to him. That is how he is friend, ladies and gentlemen, because we are already pleased to bid farewell to our good friend Daniel, a very affectionate hug, equally a very strong hug of Julio until always, friend, you even always travel on the train of life. I miss you already, and you' re still home. I don' t know if

what happens to me happens to you. You tell me everything, even if you' re quiet because a look says more than a word, I already miss you, even if you' re so close, there' s still the bed hot and scrambled. We said everything, we didn' t say

anything, we never argued, but we got angry. Take the sorrows you ' ve kept from the past, take the joy you lived here by my side, take away the pad of resignation that doesn' t make po, take away the many, the excuses and the pretext And before crossing the door, if you want it to go well, save me a space to leave me too and I already miss you. It wasn' t a threat. You didn' t miss dreams and we were far away. We told each other everything and we said nothing, we never argued, but they don'

t look for rage. Take me the pains you kept from passing takes you the alevia that you lived here to look at Take the letter of Renon and that you have given us up, Take away the many fibre excuses of these and before crossing the door, if you want it to go well, keep me slowly to go also to leave it also every day, same from home, from work to home, to the hospital, to the cemetery. More than seventy percent of accidents at work are road accidents, to the hirio,

on returning from work and routine does not protect you from them. Your most urgent job is to stay alive On your part, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain, the project to study in the United States and teach them how to play football are Emilio and Raúl and one of them has schizophrenia, but their dreams, like those of anyone, have no limits. Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the

best response for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems. Ministry of Health, Social Services for Equality, Government of Spain. Juan invests 180 euros a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200 euros in extortion. Carlos invests 150 euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay you' re investing in extortion mafias quitting, helping them out, don' t invest in suffering against trafficking in women. A Government of Spain is aware of this. If you want to

visit our website, the www. The train of life, of life is much or good, because we go there we go there I already have my half, is waiting for my warning and Alfonso Guevara is yes. That' s where we got him in the bud. Well, I' ll tell you who Alfonso Guevara is. Alfonso Guevara has been in the pastoral ministry for forty- one years. There is nah has served in the pastorate in California

and Miami and has now begun posturing a herd in Texas, Dallas. He ' s a man who opens roads and well, he' s a very experienced pastor. Also, a man with a shepherd’ s heart and has written very well about this. He has worked in the Christian publishing world and is the author of books that pastors can read with great interest. A great book of truth that does win the prize because the book really deserves it for its contributions to the pastoral ministry and the life of the pastor. How not

for everyone you know. I know that now there are many more pastors or women of pastors or elders, of Christian communities who are listening to us already take note, do not take note. And the truth is that there is all that, because I remind you, this is what Alfonso Guevara has written in recent years. Alfonso has given conferences workshops and many, training thousands of pastors and leaders in institutes, theological seminars and so on, in summits and

pastoral conferences. Today he is presenting us with a good book, a book also very striking and with the style that characterizes him literary, that he writes well. And you know when someone writes well, if they don' t write very well, I omit, I don' t say anything, but when they write well it' s worth it, because the narrative involves you. Not then. Today we are presented with his recent book Jesus in a whole proposal to give Lord Jesus the place that our lives deserve, and he

wants to highlight the centrality and supremacy of Christ in us. I believe it is the Lordship of Christ, in short, that he wants to propose to us. Alfonso, hey, thanks for the early morning I made you do. Alfonso, well, I' m on a run now of getting up early because on these trips I' m constantly making flights from here to South America, for example, you have to get up now without days, as I say, but well, a pleasure to be with you Julio and you

listen clearly yes, with great pleasure. Alfonso hears, well, well, before we talk about this work, of this new publication so interesting, jesus in everything let' s recapitulate a little. I have spoken of your pastoral performance, your accumulated pastoral experience. You come from a pastoral family. True, yes, I had the privilege, the enormous privilege of being born in a Christian home. My parents, I am a native of Cuba, and

my parents in Cuba in the 1950s were students of a seminary there. Then they were teachers, they founded a work near Havana and, as everyone should know, the communist dictatorship in Cuba became fierce and good in the mid- sixties, they ordered all the churches in Cuba to be closed, of all the confessions and they banned meetings in houses also in public. So, in the middle of all that, well, many pastors were imprisoned in what I

call the Cuban bullag. Other shepherds were shot for the sake of Christ. That is nothing strange in Spain, since in Spain too in the 1950s there was a lot of persecution and when we arrived in Spain there was still persecution for the church. So I lived it in a certain way. No, then that' s my background. My parents decided and felt like staying in Spain or going to Spain as missionaries. There they founded work that is to

this day and then I came here to the United States. If your parents were missionaries in Madrid, it is true that they founded a work together with another American missionary and to this day, in fact, two or three pastors have already passed, but the pastor who is there now we are friends of all life. Well, friend, yours, Gonzalo Soriano, man, we know very well that you do. Yeah, well, that' s too

much. Mode my background, up to there, I even went to Spain, how interesting he hears, when you see the trajectory of men and women, so we celebrate them recently. We were talking about here was with this pastor, who is the president of the Bible Seminary Mody in Chicago, also that the whole family were in Spain, also sea Llove also his parents came from the United States. They settled in Spain, in the Spain of the seventy- sixty- seventies and still lived part of the backs of the Franco

dictatorship. In fact, they have now been on television here in Catalonia, a documentary of the Church persecuted in Spain during Francoism, which suffered well. In fact, there were shootings at the beginning of Tilano coco who was a friend of this one, of this philosopher so well known that he was, came out in the film for the duration of the war. The truth is

that he was also shot because he was accused of false truths. No, and then that is to say that here the Church also has its history, its small history of sufferings because of the Gospel, then he good when we arrive the churches, when I tell this to people who ask me also of my background in my travel through Latin America and all places, but when we arrived in Spain, to the churches, they did not have posters outside,

they were not allowed and the Government, that the Government of the Catholic Church, was the same thing, they controlled who came in and who went out. That was it. We lived that and yes, that was Spain for us from the late sixties to the mid- 1970s. This is how I also referred to Miguel de unamuno, who was a person who approached Protestantism and had, in fact, his intimate diary book of an amuno, one of the last that I read with great attention. He spoke and had his advice.

He was and friend, friend to Tirano, or shot by the Taru and so many others. Well, better times have come for us, thank God, and we also celebrate it, but your long experience and that of your parents is very much reflected in these books shepherds of flesh and bone, which had an EP Awards award and also the life of the pastor Give us a note of these books for us, for those who are that emerging generation. Well, there' s a lot of people in the question. First,

how long it took me to write the first book. I didn' t say good in a symbolic way. I mean, it took me forty - one years to write wolf. Now there are forty- one helpers of ministry and combined shepherding. Those books are the fruit of all pastoral and ministerial experiences and I must clarify that those books, what is there, are not

batallites as we say. They are not very practical leadership teachings aimed at pastoral care and already, as I say, in many conferences with pastors, after a while in the ministry you get the thick skin with which you understand this, you will know what I mean. No. Then I gave lectures workshops everywhere and people came after and said good, j that' s what you said is in your book. Right, I used to say in which book.

No, no, what you said is in your book. Then it became clear to me that I had to write about what I was talking about, what I was living as a pastor. I had very good friends. One of them also some that you know well Catalan, the lyceum encouraged me all the time to write. Then write and his wife also great friends. So from there came all this, to translate into experience, to embody all these very practical principles of leadership that I am a very pragmatic person in that

sense and has apparently helped reality. It has already helped thousands and thousands of pastors and leaders throughout Spanish- speaking countries, but not just Hispanic. The book has been translated into two languages. It has been translated into Portuguese and has also been translated into Korean. This caught my attention, because whoever wanted to translate the book into Korean told me this has to be read by pastors friends of mine in Korea and I said but seriously says yes. Yeah.

Then it became clear to me that the problem, the challenge of the shepherds is the same in any culture, what changes is the language. So, that' s where all this and the books came from, too. Well, as the title says well in the first no shepherds of flesh and blood that, by the way, I was with you in a program there years ago, taking Barcelona and we were talking about this and the title, because it speaks clearly, as I say, of the guts of the book.

But it has to be said that there are shepherds who are not fleshly Hues Then, when you see by the media, by television, a shepherd who has a perfect hairstyle, a Armani suit, nothing against Armani, a family presents the image of a perfect family, perfect children, perfect marriage. None of that, it' s true. Our marriages, our children, our

families are not perfect. So the book talks about all this, these two books, and it makes it good and I do it in an intimate way, that is, without tongue hairs, but with very practical things that they can use. Me. He has found many shepherds who have told me to flee. If I had read this 20 years ago, I wouldn' t have saved a lot of fuss in my ministry. Yes, yes, I do, sir, that' s why we recommend those who have now joined

our tuning. Alfonso Guevara, with whom we are talking, Pastor Alfonso Guevara, also his book Previous books shepherds of flesh and bone, who was winner of the prize know. You can get it and then recently also from home creation. I was looking at the pastor' s life on Google now. I think that' s what Alfonso said right now, books like these. If they are read, I am also a pastor of forty years of ministry

and I think I will be able to contribute something. But if I had read books like these, like the one Alfonso gave us, I think he would have helped me avoid many headaches a few years ago. Truly remember the life of the shepherd is one of the last, also in the series of shepherds of flesh and bone and the life of the shepherd. But now let ' s go to what there is another more quick mention, which is this

ancient, but not outdated commandments. Yes, this is a book that I self published in Spain, I distributed Bible society my friend Gonzalo and they are at once in due. There are old bookstores in Spain, but not old - fashioned. This is to talk about another day in July, because it has a lot of marine fabric. Yeah, yeah, well. I' ll get back to you. I am a member of the Board of Directors

of the Bible Society and I believe I have seen it. I think I ' ve seen him there, in the sayings, in the Bible society bookshop. But, well, let' s be interesting, ancient, expect antiquated phenomena, wow. Well, let' s go to this recent publication Jesus in everything, how this book responds to in this culture that wants to erase the name of Jesus tries it at all costs, but you can' t

all how this publication responds to it. Well, this is nothing new, especially in the context where I have now lived for the last forty- two years and before because I came here to the United States with my father and my family. But it' s nothing new. I repeat, in this context, where I live in American culture as Hispanic, I run into all this, not because it is palpable, but here it is nothing new.

Here I remember in the late sixties, even seventy, when John Lennon said they were more famous than Jesus, and that' s where they started. There began that dialectic and that attempt to overshadow Christianity, to cast aside the name of Jesus, and there, in a sense, the dechristianization of American

culture also began before that. And, therefore, the rest of the world, because everything that happens here leaks, whether you like it or not, the rest of the world has come out very good things, but horrible, terrible things have also come out. So, and of course, it' s very curious to have people in Spain like Levic' s American burgers and jeans, for example, but they hate a lot of things about Yankees and

American culture. But all that anti- gods and anti- Jesus has been permeating the culture here and has also filtered into angelic churches and people' s psyches. People think that here, this is a Christian country onhalli or nothing to see. This is already an anti- God atheistic country, when you already have sixty- five billion abortions since abortion was legalized, this ceased to be a Christian country a long time ago. Let' s not fool ourselves.

So all that, all that has influenced people' s mentality, even sneaked into the church. That' s why and I' m talking about Hispanic churches too because it' s what my job is with my colleagues, my Hispanic compatriots here and here. Hence the tremendous need to talk about Jesus. We are not surprised by the fact that there are so many people, billions who have neither read nor heard of Jesus. And good Spain, that at one time there were blows to the chest that it was a religious and

Christian country. I remember going with my father to the Canary Islands in the year seventy- seven- four seventy- five, to an evangelistic campaign there and going and witnessing in the streets and asking such questions and people, as I had not heard clear, had fled Jesus at Christmas Holy Week, but I had no idea who Jesus was and what he represented and what he had done. So, bringing this to the present, is that I write this book right now. Why, because Jesus Jesus has put it on the periphery,

the periphery of many areas, because there I speak. I have thirteen chapters in the book and the book I intentionally wrote it that way. The first chapter to give you an idea of Jesus in the beginning. And it is for that, for it is necessary to talk about Genesis one and John one. Jesus in the beginning, he is the creator, but the last chapter is Jesus in the end. The interesting thing about this is that Jesus

promised us that he would be with us until the end. So, between the beginning and the end there is what we call a whole life, a whole existence. And I speak of that precisely and how Jesus is and can be involved in our entire existence from beginning to end. And it is that, for example, you go to a cemetery and there, on the tombstone, you will see the name of the person, the date of birth and the date of death. And between one date and the other there' s

a little ray. That rayita, that raita is very significant, because that rayita means a lifetime between the beginning and the end. Then, from there I am developing and we will talk here more because questions will arise and I also wrote the book because I am in daily need of more of Jesus. I recognize it, I need it, and therefore the world also desperately needs the prsons, the power, the word and the presence of Jesus. Person, power, word, presence of Jesus and how they see him there in

the announcement. My proposal is that no and it is clear, Jesus in everything or Jesus in nothing. He' s the lord of everything or the lord of nothing. There' s no half- inks. How interesting he hears what synthesis you have made, because really hearing Alfonso Guevara, our interviewee and author of these books, pastor writer, too, I say, a very experienced pastor. That is why he has the authority to advance us these

books of shepherds of flesh and blood. The life of the shepherd, but now with the last book, Jesus in all or the contrast, Jesus in nothing, in those thirteen chapters, Jesus in the beginning, Jesus in the family, Jesus in the marriage, Jesus in the needy, Jesus in sickness, Jesus in the work, Jesus in the center, Jesus in the boat, Jesus in the cross, Jesus in the believer, Jesus in the resurrection,

Jesus in his second avenue and Jesus in the end. I the truth that, knowing your literary style as you write, that you write, you are so descriptive writing and I believe that readers will enjoy it, I have seemed like a glimpse into the whole trajectory, as you have said, of a life Jesus in everything is Jesus is the centrality of Jesus as you say and the supremacy of Jesus in the Lordship, of Jesus in so many areas of our life. You mean that right truth, that' s right.

When I refer to the centrality of Jesus, to the centrality of Christ, I mean that he has the divine right to be at the center of our lives and of our particular worlds, and also of the Church, because, if we invoke him as our lord, he has that right to be at the center of our lives and at the center of the Church. But, as I said earlier, Jesus is on the periphery many times in our lives

and in the life of the Church. Because I must clarify and emphasize Jesus is not a display ornament, because sometimes we put Jesus on a shelf as if he were a little garden figurine and for others to admire. But no, no, He' s not an ornament. Jesus is also not an emergency accessory. The typical hotel announcement that I go a lot from the emergency hose only breaks in case of fire and seems to pretend that Lord Jesus is used only in case of emergency. No. No, it' s not

an emergency accessory. Jesus is also not the genius of the lamp because in recent years Jesus has presented himself as that genius of the lamp they see Christ and all the problems are going to end, it is not true, come to Christ and the money will come out of your ears, it is not true. Brutal materialism has been presented with that nefarious doctrine of prosperity. God

wants to prosper him. No doubt about it. The apostle John says so, but this is not the genius of the lamp that we can use at our whim Jesus is not a pet of companionship either, for look now I am lonely, for I will summon the Lord Lord come this way that I feel alone bored. No. No, no, no, Jesus is the lord. He has to be in the center or not. One out of two. That' s the WOW approach. Yes, there is certainly a fraudulent discourse of Jesus. In some cases there are not few who have adulterated

the truth, the Gospel, but the truth persists. And besides, this approach so transparent, so crystalline Jesus in everything and with those aspects that Alfonso Guevara proposes to us, in his book Jesus. In every editorial an illito. You can get it from the Lee platform, but it' s already in the evangelical bookstores available Well, it' s still hot out there, it' s out there in Spain. I understand what' s coming right

before Christmas. And man who in good weather, because he asked in Colombia this week that he was with booksellers and also with shepherds, told him to see Christmas. It is about who, for Jesus, that is, is celebrating Jesus’ birthday. What a better gift to say, so put this book under the tree to someone, because the idea I present also is that sometimes we cut ourselves in evangelizing very cut or we dare not speak to that neighbor, that neighbor or that co- worker in the office or at work

at the supermarket. And good, but the book can serve as a bridge. I mean, look. Take this book because it is written not only for the believer, but I wrote it thinking of the unbelievers who have not read and need to hear the Gospel Jesus and is the bridge. It is a good excuse to present the Gospel as a Christmas gift. That' s an idea, uh, yeah, perfect, perfect. I was going to

ask you is answering how this book can help unbelievers in Jesus. And I think the content, the focus and what you' re saying is perfect and better. At Christmas, everyone' s good. Christmas. Jesus saw the aroma of Christmas and the inevitably fills everything and people look. We organize gospel music concerts that we have here in Barcelona on December 18th, and the people that at other times of the year, not even if everything that surrounds at

Christmas and has to do with Jesus, many people pay attention. A book It is a good tool because we also give things away, we give ourselves Jesus in everything. Besides, I tell you that thing, besides the content I can imagine, knowing your way of writing so magnificent that I like it. Jesus in everything is a book that has a lot, a title that I also have hook, if it responds to our expectations, for he hears

magnificent at Christmas. Jesus in everything, Alfonso Guevara' s book of ouilit publishing already on the platform or a hi has it unavailable, but we will also be able to find it in the evangelical bookstores of Spain. Already in a few weeks before Christmas. Let' s try and track him down. I want to get it. I have an advance of the book, but I want to have it and read it with great affection, because I am

a passionate central Christ and I like it when things are explained well. Hey, that' s good, Alfonso, to be able to talk to you from Dallas. There, you' re there for a while opening a new church. It' s not from Austin. Austistin is perfect. Austin is the state capital, but well, we' re close to Dallas. I ' m two and a half hours from Houston, three hours south and San Antonio an hour and a half. I mean, Austin is at the center of this great state. Texas is the size of France. It is a

very large state and there you are performing pastoral work also right now. Yeah, well, I do a few things. I am director of pastoral care and ministerial ethics of an association of pastors here in the city between twenty and thirty churches or pastors. I also teach in a hermeneutic Bible institute. Next year I' ll teach or biletics. In case it' s little above everything I do, my wife and I are involved in a plantation and I was telling her a new play and we' re there borrowing to say it.

So, this is an Anglo- Saxon church that wanted to start a Hispanic ministry and we are there since January. We started there with them a small group was eight nine. Now we' re thirty- thirty. We baptized four in July and the idea is to leave a pastoral couple there. And also, because I have my own ministry, which is to the pastors, and that is why I travel to all the world managing lectures workshops. I was in Ecuador and Colombia this week and on Thursday that comes except again

for Colombia, in another part of Colombia. I' ll be there with pastors in a church, the largest presumptarian church in Latin America. It' s there near Cali back and the other weekend I' m going to El Salvador with two thousand brothers who are going to be there. I will be administering in the Church of God of Prophecy which has its convention, that is, my ministry, is pastoral renewal. It' s the name of the Ministry is interdenominational, as you can hear, and we' re like this.

Everywhere. I must tell you that I hope to see you personally in April I will be with my colleague Gonzalo for the Madrils, but we have planned a tour there for catalun star with pastors churches. So I' ll give it to you. In April it will be the enchanted thing. If you could be with us around here for a weekend, it would be great to be clear to you. And the truth is that if what blessing you can enjoy all the gathering of your is such a fruitful experience and, besides,

your way of communicating, which is so pleasant. Therefore, the truth celebrates that God renews your strength and carries it in your soul. That' s clear. It' s and when you carry it in your soul it ' s that I had a very special mentor. He was my hero, He literally gave his life for the work in Spain, my father, my parent. That' s why I trained myself to see him give his life

to a Latin American in the late 1960s and 1970s in Spain. If today you still feel discrimination with Latin Americans, don' t see you well, you know in the seventies it was fierce, but God gave him a special grace to win Spanish, because there were no Latin Americans in Spain, there were almost then. This one. That' s why I come from that ministerial wealth and of course I just think I' ve followed your steps and followed your ministry at this level, globally, I' m an extension of

what was my parent. As simple as that, as simple as that, he hears infinitely grateful to your father for that contribution, as we told him to love Llove recently, and a whole life given and watered here, besides a good job, a magnificent job. I believe that the name of many Spaniards, we want to thank people and characters like your father, people like you, thanks for investing so much and of such good quality in our country. And thank you, Alfonso. A privilege for me every time I return

to Spain is literally the motherland. Although I' m Cuban, I have Spanish blood. On both sides, my great- grandparents, on both sides, were Spanish and of course, many people look at me and tell me, but you don' t, you don' t, you look Cuban, because they have one idea of the Cuban of another. Well, in Cuba we were of all colors and flavors. What happens is that my ancestors were Asturians and Galicians. And this is the physiognomy of what my ancestors were

like. Then that blood runs through my veins. Every time I go to Asturias, I feel at home, but I am Cuban and I will die Cuban. Yes, sir, but in a friend I wrote the other day with him there in Madrid, and he says hey you forgot your z and I say no. I can speak to you as a Castizo Madridman, but I' m Cuban, I' m faithful to my people, so this one and then he tells me and how we' re going to talk to people about lava feet. Well, with a chotis then when he realizes that

I know Spanish culture to the core, then he fell. And well, OK, OK, I' m so pretty, Alfonso Guevara, dear friend, I' m sending you a very affectionate hug and thank you endlessly that you' ve been with us There you' ve already stuck to the early morning so you can be with us this morning. A hug is with great

pleasure and a hug to all now always see you soon. Chao the train of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable trip at the rhythm of trem We have arrived at the end of the tour.

Ladies and gentlemen, remember that evangelical churches exist throughout Spain. In general, the vast majority of the evangelical churches of Spain, about five, zero centers evangelical churches with a common connection that characterizes us, but with liturgies a little differentiated in the ultic practice, but that there we are with open doors. They are places of friendship and peace, usually, but of blessing.

Believe me who is in the Christian and magenic communities, for people of all social backgrounds, as you can imagine in a multi- ethnic, multiracial, multicultural community and, evidently, where there are people of all human social classes, of all disciplines that you can imagine and that we meet. There we meet and share, we worship, we already recognize the greatness of God together, we really like to sing to Protestants, to the Emangenics, We very

much like singing is the expression of freedom. Hence the African- American chants of the slavery of chanting was a form of emancipation, for that is in the soul- matter of Protestantism. Chanting as an expression of worship of God and gratitude. And also good reflection on the Bible, which is not an

inspiration for life in all orders. And then fraternization, to interact with each other, to help and bless us and also to communicate this message to so many others so that they can receive it in time before it is too late. Don' t remember you can write me to Julio Pérez Arroba. The train of life. Point is for any query. In fact, it is done by people or suggestion or a book this, that, a proposal, a suggestion, sometimes a well- received criticism, because Julio Pérez throws the

train of life. Point is you can write me there with pleasure. I will answer them for today nothing more and nothing less. Ladies and gentlemen, Julio Pérez has always spoken to you: the evangelical churches are a place of peace and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You' ll be very welcome.