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Julio Pérez, thirty- two years old. There' s na. I don' t know if it would be an honorary doctor cause that others can be after this week after week, unstoppably, with thousands of hours of this radio magaxing already running through more than a hundred Spanish cities, these thirty- two years, the train of life as life itself unstoppable, we go there again, for yes, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, also all the pilgrims of the radio waves, all those who listen to us by any
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It was still fine, but now it' s infinitely better. It means we are pleased because we like things well done truth, from this radio station, from the train of life to this unstoppable machine that travels at the speed of I do not know if of the light more than three hundred thousand kilometers. For the second, it' s not the speed of light. Well, I don' t know It' s a tremendous speed. Tremendous. We arrived in many honey cities I speak to them of one hundred main
cities of their Spain where it is tuned weekly. Look today at many cities in Barcelona and the Catalan area as well, but Friday is tuned in many more Spanish cities as many others, even in the Canary Islands, in the Balearic Islands, in Mallorca, etc, in various places. Saturday in many
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yes, the truth is that no. In the center of the Peninsula also how not Galicia, Galicia of our loves. Well, there we are always the train of life, a traveling train where we have interviews, we talk about almost all life and for having the human realities that concern us all,
but also the mysteries, the mysteries of the universe. We also have those who can speak the professor Dr Antonio Cruz and many others, my good friend Miguel I Wikand and so many others who can talk about these things with a more authoritative way, so professors of the subject at the university and in
many parts with authentic k chairs of the subject. But and others there is a huge list of collaborators in the train of life of this level that pleases us, because when we talk to anyone about a matter, there must be rigor, rigor of credible dating and that conform to the truth. Well, today we have a very special interview grill. Look First of all, we ' re going to be with Miguel Lara and Rosa Burguera. Michael and Rosa are known in the angelic Christian world. They' re well known to him
for what. Because they' re loved. They' re a lovely couple. What they' re like is they' re a love in the deal. They are not from now on. I' ve known them for many
years. I really know them and they have always been that way, with that maturity, that weight, that give the years of life and they are musicians, musicians, they are virtuous, well Rosa has been, has been teacher of the Conservatory of Music of Tarragona for many years so far, that they are dedicated to full music, their own music and their concerts, that are increasingly and more popular concerts in the streets, in the squares, in
the cities. They really like to be with people and with very tremendous messages. And Miguel Lara is a virtuoso, she' s a self- taught. He has also had musical training, obviously, but he started instinctively and you see him playing the violin, for example, in addition to the guitar, and it is impressive. Now Malikian, I think he' d take it for a while with him and then now Rosa plays the bagpipe too because
they play Celtic music. The group goes out one hundred and fifty, a musically very high voltage group, and well, today they' ll be both, because we' re going to talk about going through the valley of shadow of deaths. It is an expression very much of a psalm in the Bible, the 23rd Psalm of David, King David, who wrote it in a very complex situation of his life. Jehovah, the Lord is Jehovah, the
name of God in Hebrew the Lord is my shepherd. Nothing will fail me in places of delicate pastures, it will make me rest, it will comfort my soul, it will guide me after you will have justice for his name ' s sake. Though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for their rod and their silence will give
me breath. And the truth is that they have passed through a valley of shadow of death, lost two children, a little one who unfortunately drowned in a swimming pool in an unprecedented way because they saw that the pool was protected. But these things that children do, that you don' t know how they can do it, and they do it and they always joan unforgettable.
And then, unfortunately, a few years ago, three years ago, because his daughter ana beautiful, a beautiful babe with twenty twenty- one years, because she also lost her life. And the truth was that it was a tragedy, a tragedy for them. But how they have lived the theme of the death of their children' s departure. This is to go crazy humanly speaking, but look. Sometimes we talk about running forward and they fled forward. Yes, yes, yes, they fled to Jesus, the pure,
true, responsibility. I assure you, not responsible, you have nothing. I know them very well. On the contrary, they have put all their trust and energy into God and in helping people who have suffered early losses, from family members, from children, and are helping with their book, a book that is tremendous. And in addition, they have just done a master ' s degree now on the subject of death, suicide, early death and
so on. And they told us about that going through the valley of shadow of death with Miguel and Rosa of salt one hundred and fifty magnificent musicians where they are here on the train of life and in this next station we will have our friend live and live to the modest rock doctor, summer precautions for
our health, because it seems that not. But it' s not the dengue mosquito You know that I think it' s in Honduras that there was a dengue plague that they' ve had to take as a national epidemic by the number of people affected and many dead. Well, it' s not that thing, but there are tiger mosquitoes and other species. And then we have a lot of things that are from the skin, skin problems, digestive problems, bad foods, mayonnaise. I' m exposing you to the sun
Look. I did an analysis this past week and well, it was Monday and I was already talking to my mutual doctor and a great Doctor Box and he was saying to me he' s okay, you' re okay with everything and the only thing, vitamin D. Your skin doesn' t get, no, I don' t expose myself to gas. If I' m making sedentary life, it' s hard for me to walk, not because I' m caught up in a thousand things. But good for a vitamin, for the vitamin D question. But it means that we have to
take care of ourselves and especially our children, also in the family. In this case I already have it, I have grandkids and some dream older middle - income precautions of our health with Dr Modestos Rock, family doctor Pastores Vans believes a pastorazo eh believe me and graduate in theology, a man who is charming to talk to him. He has been a university professor of doctors for many years. Well, we' ll have him here this morning live and live to Dr Roca. Don' t miss it and we' re also
talking to Noemi Cortes. Noemi Cortes is also a teacher to her. She is also a professor of an important academic entity. It' s his usual job. But she is the president of the Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which has been awarded with a high distinction, one of the highest distinctions granted by the generality of Catalonia, the Cassia Ius Galardón, which has this name,
but it is like something similar to the creu of Sant Jordi. In fact, already the IBE, the Biblical Institution of Catalonia and Bancarica of Catalonia, in the ninety- seventh century, they granted him the Cross of Sant Jordi as one of the institutions of the promotion of the Bible and of the entire biblical production in different aspects. In Catalan, in the Catalan language, a beautiful language that you know speaks it. More than 10 million people are directly
influenced indirectly. Then IBEC receives this award, this new award, in the person of its President, Noemi and Cortés, who is also a pastor in Barrio de Gracia, a very Barcelona neighborhood. And well, there it is, in fact, I also have the pleasure of participating. Good to be present, not also participate as the Committee of the Angelic Council of the City of Barcelona and also member of the Director of the Banclic Council of the City
and member of the Board. We will be there for such an event relevant to the Protestant world. The Biblical Institution of each Taluña awarded with a high distinction, which will be handed over from the hands of Vice President Laura vilagrapara it seems that the President is already on vacation to the Aragonese father and she, then, will be making this delivery and there we will be accompanying our
dear sister and friend. Not in my courtesy, but the interview, because you notice you will tell us where the Biblical Institution of Catalonia was born and how it was born, which was published by Angelica of Catalonia, the IBE, because it was born during the end of Francoism, in one thousand nine hundred and sixty- six, where the church was also repressed, the Evangelical Church, where his father Angel Cortes and other fighters opened the way and also
the preservation of a language like the Catalan language, where production in Catalan was also chigua. Therefore, history is very interesting, very interesting of how the Gospel has cared for, it has run through personalities of the Catalan Protestant world in the midst of the opposition. This morning the train of life. Finally,
we have Judith Gasola, psychotherapist opet psychotherapist, finfalto, juvenile. What we need to know to start over after a divorce the mariner, uh, what we need to know, what we need to take into account This is of interest to many, uh, and to many, all those who have
lived have suffered an unwanted outcome of divorce. No, what guidelines, how we are left and what to do in the face of uncertainty, insecurity, emptiness, pain and children and so many things we need to know to start again, to start again after a divorce, because this morning the Jewish psychotherapist or magnificent this topic deals with Maravilla and we will talk to her on the
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life. They don' t know why. Because we all learn, we learn to be better people, we learn to have tenderness norla, despite the vagaries of life, despite the soups that life gives us sometimes, sometimes even and being believers of the complex questions that we do not understand. But God always knows the ultimate cause and always knows it. It is not speaking for speaking, but we also have a great teacher, the Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, I' m missing weird. The Holy Spirit is a true
teacher to help us in life. And this is the case of Michael and Rosa, two loving people in the evangelical world, in our country and also internationally known as the Celtic music group salt one hundred and fifty, which has to do with Psalm one hundred and fifty, the last great psalm, the explosion of joy of Psalm one hundred and fifty salt one hundred and fifty. And well, they' ve lived difficult things, and we want to recapitulate
and they know one thing. They want to help people, anyone at the level that is possible, and they have given themselves their music, their book, a challenging book on the subject of grief, very strong, but very necessary, and there we have them. I welcome you Miguel y Rosa, Miguel Lara, Rosa, Burguera, Good morning Hello, good morning July and good morning. I see very summery. Uh, hot, no, no, but it' s its own. Yes, yes, there in Tarragona,
that you, also live in the heart of the city. Hey there, all over the city of Tarragona. It is very central, the truth to a beach hour port. Yes, nothing, nothing down that street your going straight down in a straight line, you go, you go there to the yes right where we have taken some walks, also ray cels hears, but regarding Tarragona, in Tarragona has become a city of tourist interest, international,
heritage of humanity, because it is beautiful Tarragona. But you, in Tarragona, city, in the Tarragon towns, have given and give concerts in many of the places, popular concerts, really, let them see us where all those who see us that the door that opens we take advantage of the truth right now, ten minutes ago in July. Yeah, well, we want to close a very nice concert in High Fury. They study coastal village, also say nice beautiful and guanito village with a castle. Yes, yes,
yes, you read every year would be art by the castle. It is an unbeatable environment, because it is next to the castle very well amazing. Two years ago they were moving and this year it wasn' t very long because there was a change of organization. Yeah, but yeah, or we' ve been confirmed we' re going. But that concert and it ' s already closed on the date. The 16th of August. I' m doing this. Wow, that' s good We' re up there.
I also say in case there are people who encourage me is a village worthy of seeing the castle, the village, because it is very like white houses, very Mediterranean. They have the beach very nice and the atmosphere is tremendous, because, that is, all the time of the craft stall do not allow that there are stalls that are not the handmade rtesanía, there will be all by hand very very beautiful. He lives on that detail and they
' re on lawns. People feel good there the great what prettyly everyone there is grai for all audiences. What it will be in the evening, night by night, nine alone, nine ahon We have not been told now it
tends to stand out. 16th of August is a good day, it is Friday and then and being August also and Alta Fulla, so it is very nice the place, very or good, as you know, Mrs A, those of the CatalanÁria and those tourists who go on the peninsula from north to south, east to west backpack and to enjoy a concert of salt one hundred and fifty in Alta Fuja on the 16th of August in the afternoon,
night, rather in summer, to enjoy it. They don' t spend the night there in a campsite and dot and they have a bomb, so notice that they have already given them the very close pattern of Altafuya. There are two campsites there, two or three, two or three near Tamarit Castle, which is also a beautiful beach, spectacular, with the castle next to a beautiful cove. Yes, yes, yes, very very poetic of Altafulia. So there are fumpings, there are hotels, there are all the days
very touristy. Wow, yeah, yeah. Phenomenon. Miguel and Rosa hear how many years you, well, talk about people who had a spiritual experience many years ago and I, thinking of you who know you a little bit, are two different worlds. Rosa you come from a very particular context, very Catalan and such and Miguel too. But it is like many of us, a townhouse of Catalan ultras. No. But Miguel, a self-
taught man to see you stay. I said in it this morning' s preamble that if it was Maliquian I would see it, Miguel, take it, take it to him, take it in the suitcase and wish I would take it to carry boxes. No. Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, I' m riding is true. I have to say that we' ve seen Amalec once and I don' t know how to love it. Yeah, there was one thing that made me tell Miguel like you,
like you. Well, other than that he' s very funny talking and he' s got the songs, which is very funny, I have Miguel who has it too. Yes, yes, yes, the irony of humorous Miguel. So, the ramican also does not. But then, in the end, he did one thing that I told Miguel does as you do, which caused a very special atmosphere in mejo, true that is that he took off the true song, the badness or the shirt or whatever he wore and went through the audience playing the violin the only wow. She was amazed.
And that' s what Miguel does, too. Yes, Miguel did years ago. This was a few years ago. What a sight he has copied from you and copied. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I' m missing the step of taking off the shirt I' m on. Well, he hears us, but it' s true. Now, Maliquian, I haven' t seen him in a concert. I' ve seen them deferred. No. But if he doesn' t move, he won' t leave the stage. You' re worth watching live, because after an hour of art. I love it. I love it now. I love it
Well, you guys are in life then. How long it has been, how it has been and what has happened between you each or two different worlds, you meet and form are also friends, then I engaged you and then you form part of a Christian community, marrying and taking your backpack and there you go to wherever it takes you to start all this, well, I, as you very well said, come from a Catalan context. My parents were Catholics, but they left, they walked away, they left my faith.
In fact, my father stopped believing. My mother didn' t, but my father did and well, but I kept going to church alone. I did everything, made the confirmation, went to groups of young people and when I was twenty years old, because I played the gralla. That one wasn' t doing a piano career, too, but he played the gralla. And then the former pastor of the Church, because they had me a group since it was called Dulcinea full with Michael and invited me to play with
them. And well, and there, then, came love. We didn ' t have a crush there, musical crush, and we started to first that, to be friends. It took little time to be friends and right away, the purest of boyfriends. And when we started being boyfriends, I started attending church as well. And well that in my family, because it was a shock a very strong shock, a cultural shock. Well, they
told me they ate the bit. Not now, but at first it was a strong clash because they, well that although they were nominal, because they were Catholics and at that time the Church. I believe that now the Evangelical Church is much better known. But of course, we' re talking about thirty- three years ago. It wasn' t so well known it was something else. I don' t know what for kids was like residual.
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, we had in our struggles, in us, we weren' t already enchanted and after nothing, after a year, we already had super in love. But in my family, about my family, we go in Miguel' s family, there was no problem. But in my family it was a cultural and regal shock. All this is clear, too. For my family it was already a gift and I, for his family, was a threat. Well, your father was telling me how you' re going to marry my daughter, how
you' re going to build it. Explain to me yes, yes, now they have changed a lot, I mean, they have changed thanks to Miguel and to knowing his family and giving his vision has been now totally different. Of course, the atmosphere of the class that belongs to your family and lives in another environment, and it is normal to retrain life in a certain
way. But, for example, Miguel, that you came, from me I remember legendaryly, I did not know you so closely, but indirectly the times of Dulcinea foll Oliva negra, so many musicians from the city of Tarragona that at one moment they knew Jesus through one of the first pastors that there was there in the church formerly not a man so it was at that time very dynamic and also and among that baking more or less you arrived. No yes, I arrived a little later, because they already, well, they
already take time. They are older, let' s say not, the black olive metamorphosis. Yes, they were bands of jas rock that already existed here in Tarragona. No, yes, and it was good. I was a neighborhood full of raising in the neighborhood, we were already making whistles, let' s put on our first group, because at the fifteen years of a group called Flor de lis and that we came to compose nine songs, because at sixteen, seventeen years old, and well it lasted little, because
the mili arrived the brides and they were made the group. So, no one wanted to go on, but I wanted to go on. It was the only thing about the group I wanted to follow. In fact, I went one by one to their homes to say hey we' re going to
continue. But none of them wanted it then. I, at that moment I was playing the electric guitar and at the age of nineteen, because in a neighborhood atmosphere, imagine with the music, there come other things that is not music, atmosphere of local, of motherhood, of chaos, of all kinds. You can imagine, because what serves in a neighborhood and there came
everything a little scrambled. I was nineteen years old, because I have my sights and it was because of one of the musicians who were already there, because one day they asked us the place to meet there to tollos an experience with Jesus, and they already come in their rehabilitation center and they, they already talked about Jesus in the streets, they sang praise and one day they asked us the place to meet and I stayed at that small meeting and although
I honestly didn' t want to know much about what was going on, but something happened inside me and when I heard the praises and what they were talking, the truth that there I believe it was the man who touched my
heart through the music and I had as my first impact there. I don ' t speak spiritual, it happened inside me, no, but although I didn' t pay much attention to it, I followed with my life And it was at nineteen years when I had my encounter with Jesus and it was private because I was alone in a bank of that sweep, because I opened it my heart and asked if it was really alive, if it was real, it wasn' t a strange religious story and there I didn' t
find my person with Jesus, being alone in a ban covid or seeing something I didn' t have. It gave me a lot of peace. He gave me something a very big gift. It gave me peace at that time that a part that I had never experienced anything like that. They are to me a treasure that I still keep my preserve. There, just at that age I started playing the violin, also because I started listening to Celtic music.
I was passionate. Celtic music connected with a tremendous form. That' s where I started with the violin, my fully self- taught career. I' m going to Barcelona with ten zero pesetas from the old ones saved.
I bought my violin in the house for Ramón de las Ramblas in Barcelona and started playing totally self- taught, asking people how they do this and this and that and says because at that time you already see, because there was no YouTube, there was nothing, there were no tutorials, like now, that there is a lot of information, and neither did we have the truth. My economy no longer allowed me, it allowed me to have a
teacher and you learned. So and so I don' t go on and the rest, I' ve already bought it pink that we met there in that context and I already tell you how silver makes music that until today, because we' re still there in the battle. That' s nice, that' s nice,' cause everything' s good. I remember back like this among people, then more closely, no, and then the music.
Music has been a vital part and continues to be a part, because the moment you assume the leadership of the group salt one hundred and fifty, there is an extraordinary change. There' s an impulse in the group. There is an opening, there are new creations, there are open doors, there is a trajectory, there is very good music, very good music composed. And I don' t know if you notice, but you are very dear. Hey, you guys are so dear. Not only in the evangelical
sphere, which was very popular even in many areas. I' ve detected it. I can have another perception. Not then, that' s wonderful when people love you, but how you live it. Well, that' s really helped us through very difficult times. We haven' t noticed judgment or sometimes say that that makes a big difference when you go through traumatic times, as the fact that people around you. You notice the warmth and the
affection, because it makes that more bearable. We' ve never noticed judgment, we' ve never noticed it at least, or if we' ve ever perceived anything, it' s been from people far away. Yeah, that' s appreciated and makes a difference, because so that doesn' t become a sick thing for the owner. If people accompany you to the people around you and they' re not and they' re there, then that
' s very appreciated. Sure to put our listeners in position. Some are watching for fabur like, but they won' t listen and they will hear us even more in many Spanish cities through the FM. When life hurts, when life sees it and can' t hurt life more than when you lose a child, right, a husband? A wife? A wife or a husband or a son? A father or a mother? A mother or a
son? Especially a father, parents. Then, when life hurts and hurts truly and so I have titled this, going through the valley of shadow, of death, which is the psalm of David, because David tells many things, of the psalms, of bitter moments of life. He speaks of many victories as well and euphoric moments of because he was a great king. But he also speaks of anguish. He' s talking about a lot of distress. And that tells me about realism. Life sometimes gives us a setback.
When life hurts, how it hurts, how you did it. For our listeners lived the loss of a son a few years later, the loss of a daughter. How can you process that until I ask it now because I know in what condition you are if I wouldn' t be able to ask us. Well, actually, it' s things that you hear from us, no, and you think it can never happen to you, because you think you' re that Christian like you' re protected from those things.
And there' s a cover. Sometimes he talks about a cover that' s there protecting you and that these things can' t happen to you because God is there in control of everything. No, and sometimes it' s not. In fact, well, have a lot in the Bible of how David you just named King David, who also lost a son. Yes, he prayed with all his will, with his strength to God that the Anaray did not heal him, but David said a very nice thing at that time.
It is very profound that we take it very seriously. And that doesn ' t take away the moment you' ve passed too and the battle. But he said one thing that helps us a lot to understand. He said when the son died. He told the servants good to bring me food of life. He girded himself, he ate a drink, and David was told. We don' t understand when your son was there alive, You were there in fasting and now that he' s already dead, You now ask
for food. We don' t quite understand what happened. Vaguien has to be a little upside down and he said look, He' s not coming. He' s already gone, but I' m going towards him and that' s something that we have very much in mind. The loss of a child is something that' s kind of like for you to have an idea, like you got pierced by a sword in your heart, like a limb was ripped out of you. It' s a very painful and good
thing, we make decisions at the time. Not one thing that has helped us a lot is to be together, to work as a team, to support us and the first thing we did was to throw out, to ignore the voice, that which is the voice that can crush you, the voice of guilt, the voice of the fucking skill that comes to tell you that bad you are that bad father or more allowed. That' s gonna lift us up. You' re sunk, you' re failed, and that
voice we had to silence in our relationship and take exa connection. It is not the decision to support us, to love us, to take care of us, to take care of our children, also and to let us love people who love us for friends, also to choose very well who you are with. No, because in those moments be a little selective, because there are people who can put up with you a lot, just put with their presence, with their silence, and other people can do you more harm.
You know, it' s not a moment where you' re very vulnerable in the very open wound. It is a sincere support of people who love you and, of course, the most beautiful tool we have is the one that to this day you continue to help us to endure the pain, because faith does not take away the pain. But faith is the most beautiful tool we have, because it will continue to walk and have hope in what lies ahead to know how to believe with all conviction that one day we will see
our children again. That' s right, buddy, that' s because a lot of people when you live things that Dr Dockson said, when what God does apparently or allows doesn' t make sense. There aren' t so many others. Donald has also talked about this issue. Where is God in our tragedies, when we are believers and see wonderful things and that is what anchored us still, but things come harder than that can no longer come, but things that are really very strong. And where God is. And
one and one would say I remember Psalm forty- two. No. When David says when my present will come before my tears, they were my bread day and night. Lord David was desperate and said I was going to be mourning for the oppression I have, the anguish I have so live the bitterly clear life. The Book of Psalms is one thing because he is a man of our dough, He is a human being like us, who has lived
things. It is the wonderful thing about the word of God that does not hide the weakness of those super kings and good and apostles and prophets, but does not hide the moments of great weakness. For example, we talked about David, that the word does not hide its moment of sin, does not espouse its moment of failure or with the son Absalom, of well, so many strong moments that the word does not say as much as they are.
No and that is a very beautiful thing where we can feel so identified when we go through moments, because that like us, we, the strongest feeling, stronger than that of guilt, when we lost two children, that is, it comes with the first one, but especially with the death of Ana two and a half years ago, the strongest feeling was failure, a shocking failure. But in those moments there is also an encounter with God if you seek Him from the heart, as there has never been, also when the
Psalm twenty- three says that the rod of the Lord comforts you. You can experience it as flesh. That' s not how. The lord comforts you and you don' t even know how he does it, but he does it and you can keep walking and you can keep walking. And people tell you you' re very strong. It' s a lie. I say when he tells us you are very strong. I say it goes if we feel super vulnerable, s s s p s weak, and that weakness
we will always carry, as long as we go with it. But the Lord is our strength and we feel as he renews our illusion for life, renews our strength. Daily. It' s a daily thing, it' s not like it is. Yesterday we talked about it with the friends of the Center and told them it is like that daily gift that God has for you that if you go to look for it, it feeds you for that day, for today, for today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, how
interesting it isn' t to tell this. I mean, you say the feeling I knew up close I didn' t ana and it made me think that I was a seemingly happy girl and a creator an extraordinary musical talent, besides very pretty. But he tells me about the secret world of our children, a secret world that we can' t even the smartest can be noticed in so many cases. There is a secret world of their something that happens to them in their inner world. And Miguel and Rosa there are parents who
have also lost their children now and who still find some. This is a wound, as Serrad said, not the wounds of life, death and love, not that they are the three wounds of life. Well, Miguel Hernández, but the famous poem. But that' s what you carry in your soul all your life. But there are parents who are like in a prison.
The mourning is perpetuated and the anguish and so and what you would say to them, because I know you have something to tell them, man, like first, that mourning cannot be something static passive, because we are here today talking to him with you and as the listeners who are connected here. But there is also thanks to the fact that we have worked, we have done a job and we continue to do it, because we do not consider that we have already done it either. Well, it goes two and a
half years ago. Personally, it was now January 10, two years ago, two thousand twenty- two. We do not consider that we have already overcome something. In fact, we believe that this is not overcome. Rather we have changed the word out to integrate, integrate our lives, not something, because normalizing a situation, our new reality. We' ve had to normalize it and above all not disguise it. We have decided that our duel will not be a disguised duel, because it is not a duel based on
pills, medicines that is respectable. I am not saying that sometimes they are necessary and, of course, there are no cases and no cases. In our case we decided to give up their medications, because it is true that medications can anesthetize you a little bit and not let flow those emotions that have to be necessary, such as crying, crying, sadness, feeling those feelings of failure that lost them. That' s all normal. It' s
part of the duel. The rage, the rage against everything, against us, against our daughter, Bueno Ana, if anyone doesn' t know, for them died by suicide, already committed suicide while in a shared pool in Barcelona studying music, because she that step that you said well Andés Julio, is one thing that you don' t see, not because we thought it was okay. We saw her well, we had focused her, not socially
as with friends, to make a pretty social life. No, and then you don' t expect something like that, but those things we did. Now we see that they helped us a lot. We do not also surround ourselves with sincere friends, friends, to be accompanied among ourselves and with sincere friends to talk a lot. We decided that the death of our children was not going to be a taboo issue in our home. It would not be
a taboo subject. It would be a topic, therefore, to speak every day, to be able to express ourselves, to be able to lend many emotions, with tranquility, with freedom, and to have much patience among us. Tozu put a lot of patience because sometimes, well, there is a large percentage of more than half of marriages living a bad picture that five percent don' t separate, they end up divorced and it' s normal.
It' s normal. I don' t say it' s normal, because sadness is very deep and sometimes the processes are different, that one process is crazy the other woman and when it goes a respect, there' s no patience through it, because it' s easy for that to happen. Those things didn' t stay long, it helped a lot to work the fact that we didn' t stay stuck in our house, because really what I sometimes wanted to just stay in bed, for example, didn' t want to get up. I had a fight to get out of bed.
In fact, I tell you where I' m going, if I feel like the most failed father on this earth, what am I going to do? I won' t be able to follow a normal life, but we decided to fight that, to get up and walk, to be together, to do the daily things of the day, together, to go shopping, to go, to walk more insignificant things and, of course, to follow music and all that is to express. It is something very good, very positive, very recommended, everything that is to express, express as speaking,
expressing, crying, expressing, playing music, writing. There comes the idea of a book that we have no pretensions to write a book. We had never written in our lives and had little to have. We' ve got plans. The most we' ve ever written were songs. But, because this led him to write, write that emotion, those feelings, that contradiction that one feels, those things that that chaos And that worked for us. When we wrote, we' d say we had a form of crying,
but it' s deeper than the soul. And there was born that book that we could also locate, because we thought that it would be good for other people to know some tools that we have used for today to be here not and to continue living well that book. I want to say something about and I was in the initial presentation of that book. I' m going to explain to people that book is essential for anyone who knows someone, who has someone in the family, who has lived it, who has tried and
that is an essential book. I' m going to tell you the title may sound a little weird, but understand. I will put the book in context in Catalan there is a phrase that is very popular here, as well as very colloquial of the people of the street. Fuckin' shit, which is fucking shit, of course, that was so strong. That didn' t do colloquially, but no, no, no, without being cheesy in any way. Realistically, the subject is a family member, a very close
relative. It comes and clear, evidently, a daughter after living with a little boy who had died in an accident. I didn' t go in a pool the inexplicable way, because it' s just that it was impossible to get to that place. But you know how kids are. But the case and after a few years live this tragedy with ana and then the enraged family member you say done, this is fucking shit, a green Pepa that in Catalan is an expression of regret no, and then they take the title
and include it good. I tell you so many hundreds and hundreds of people who have read that book. The book is testimonial, it is experiential, it is magnificent. You can find him in the bookhouse. I have it here, there it is, it appears in many places, on many platforms,
and it is a living mourning with hope. It is a book that must be read for those who are this or have friends or have lived it, do not lose sight of this book, although I already tell you the good title for a person who does not have any religious feeling, because it will not mean not to be Danil, but some will say I am scandalous.
Not good. I put them in context. Uh, and they, from there, dare everything to give that name, because it' s that I would have said that as in despair, anguish, inexplicable, what' s going on here. No, but they never lost. The North assured him. I talked to Miguel and Rosa in one of the conversations that only sometimes what you wanted to be next to her nothing if you didn' t
need to talk sometimes, but because I love them very much. But my wife and I, but once, when they write that thing about holding on to a burning nail, I asked them in a conversation this is like a running forward to the desperate. I mean, we' re going to run away from this because this kills us to this anguish and I understood yes, yes, without perhaps giving false explanations. They know where, to the flight,
forward, to where they ran, to Jesus. It is not, it is not a topic, eh they ran and towards Jesus, both on the first occasion and on the latter, towards Jesus, his destiny, his anchor, his safe place, his strength. I know them closely. And this because now, now, in that new version, the book, the popular music, the concerts, so many people who listen to you. And when people hear the stories, I' ve been in places where they' re playing and suddenly there' s like a silence like people give up.
It says this is incredible, it is humanly unbearable and this also gives hope. To those who are desperate, right, yes, yes, pink Ay Miguel How it happens. That happens at concerts, because when, as always, there is some song that used to be to Juana, now it is to Ana that we dedicate it to them and that helps us a lot. It' s those little things that are done in mourning, that help pay homage to those who have left. And well, for us, every concert
is a tribute to our children. Many times we dedicate it before starting the concert to say, because we dedicate it to anais and then we always dedicate something to them a song. And there is a song that is dedicated to Ana that we always sing, which is called worth living. We' re talking about ours, this testimony and this process that we' re going through in mourning and of course, it' s true. And clear people empathize
with you, especially those who are parents. But, well, people listen and emphasize with you and say I know I don' t understand how you can later. Well, a woman didn' t tell you about it very recently that she also lost a child, but by accident and the husband and she was telling us that I don' t know how you can sing and
be like this. Well, and I told him, then, because the truth is that we can sing, because we have faith, because we firmly believe we have the firm conviction that they are waiting for us, that we will come to them again when there is some shadow of doubt, we return to the Lord and help us maintain and preserve this faith until the end,
until the day we leave. And but this hope of seeing them again encourages us and not really is such a great hope that good also gives us within pain and sadness, because we also have that joy that we have this hope and we can give thanks that we have hope, that we continue to live, that we continue to have illusions to live, illusion for life, illusion to continue walking, illusion to continue fighting and, well, that we can
give many thanks. How nice to hear it, how nice to see it and live it like this in the midst of suffering, emotional, psychological shifrin of all kinds. You have finished a course or you are kind of a master' s degree that has been very intense, very deep on the subject of suicide. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah, yeah, the truth is we were already doing it. We already felt that a little bit like the need to be able to help, we didn' t want
to help young people, people who are perhaps the most asked. And seeing that suicide is still a rather taboo andial subject, the truth of ours is also, because we began to talk, to talk to young people and we are going to go to groups, to some institutes, even to talk about young people before third and fourth of that and we saw that it was very, very necessary and many young people, because they have no answers, but they have many questions, then we believed that yes. We had the experience
of what happened to us in our house. He has titled this interview through the fall shadow of death, death needs us. Well, our children, too, our parents, died to do little too. But well, a father' s death gets tangled up in the different one, because it' s like it' s something more natural than it already normalizes it. It ' s because he plays he' s not an age, a son. It' s like he' s saying wow this has happened here. No,
this wouldn' t touch now. But that did not come to feel the need to form ourselves from him, because we had the experience, but we did not have the training. And that' s why he saw it very interesting to do this course that honestly, it' s a very powerful course of many hours and we had our doubts whether we really could or not. But the psychologist I was carrying, let' s say, is already
the course. He knew us. We also met in Madrid, in a kisa to Furum that has shared our experience and we consulted him how you see us to do this. You see him very strong at this moment for us, two years ago our daughter died and he told us not having met you having you. I' ve heard you talk and I think you can do it, you' re prepared and although it' s really been hard because every time you talk about this topic like if the wound opens, why.
But we saw that it was very good to have tools to be able to speak, to be able to name what we are feeling, to what we have experienced. And we just finished it right now. And the truth is that we' ve learned a lot of things that they didn' t know
before. Hopefully, we would have known this before not by making signs, by making risk factors, as prevented, even focused on suicide prevention, because look good in the whole world and in the first world very good and in all the worlds good, perhaps in the worlds yes, it is a global issue. But in our country, so many boys and girls and in so many cases there is no one. Maybe if you don' t know, it' s not easy to spot. There are cases that are like manifestos,
but it was not the case, for example, of Ana. And then clear and how important it is and I celebrate and congratulate you on the desire to help others doing this over effort through the book, through a high level of rigorous training to have powerful tools through music and concerts, where they are also very popular and there is a lot of musical creativity and a great
enjoyment. But at the same time there are moments where you also break in a little bit, a testimony and people, and many people feel concerned, many people feel conternity for someone in the family, for a friend, for someone very close. So, because it' s a real concern, it ' s a global epidemic. So I really congratulate you and congratulations on doing this job, on helping people. That' s the reason I know it ' s really moving you. We also believe that it has a sense of
doing so. We do not believe that one thing that we always thought and apart from our prayer to God, was to tell him, please, that all this at least we understand, but it is, please, make sense, not that we can in RNS s NS. There came a time when we no longer ask God so much, because sometimes God does not respond or
does not respond at the moment you desire. At some point where we said well, we understand that perhaps it is not the time to have the answer, but yes, please help us to what we are feeling, what we are suffering, because the shy ones make sense. I don' t have one for which it can' t be used and it can be benefits of others. And that is why we decided to be what we are in the form of reform. Well, we' ve also learned that suicide says the
typical phrase of formation. This is nobody' s fault, but it' s all our responsibility. I mean, it' s not just health care or psychologists or it' s responsibility for everything. No, because we have a generation of young people with many mental problems and that is the responsibility of society as a whole, not just hospitals or psychiatrists, but society as a
whole. Well, if we have been trained to have tools and how interesting, the music, the concerts, the street that I love about you, well, in the Community, your Community, I would like to hear how important a Christian Community is at any time of crisis, of high voltage and I know your Community, well, it is very close to my heart too and it has been a therapeutic community. Brotherly love, right, true love,
brotherly, right? A lot, a lot is what he said that makes the big difference between a duel being sick and being traumatic or a healthy
duel. The duel must be spent the same. But if people have a year and understand you and support you, because it is much healthier, grief, yes it is how important it is surrounded by that spiritual mattress, emotional and friends, friends, companions, deep friends and respect of people yes and practical love, because the truth that at the moment one thinks it is of no use, like that you are not very useful going to visit someone who
is going through a moment like this, it does not seem like I sometimes felt like that, well, what it will serve, tell him something or go to see him. But we have experienced more help than you think. Not just like just counting ben being by your side. Not sometimes it' s not about talking, but being by your side and saying look who. Today I don' t know what to tell you, because I don' t have to go through, but here I am and you can count on
me for whatever my hand is doing. That' s a tremendous help and then it helps to practice. For example, someone who' s coming says hey. It doesn' t tell you, well, find yourself one day we' re going to eat. No, no, he doesn' t say such a day we' re going to eat and he has a date already directly, because he knows that, maybe, you' re not even strong enough to like a day or dare in that moment of so intense pain and so beautiful people who came and said hey this day let' s see
you. It comes well, we want this day to go to a restaurant and we invite you to eat, to be together, to chat how good practical love. I don' t remember saying that my sister was a sleazy sister of our community, who shared every Wednesday to bring to our house a potato tortulla made by her potato maker, and every Wednesday she was faithful to
the hour in the afternoon she came with her sweet potato corpiedity. I left it there takes things like that from areas like that, not so pretty that you say funny the practical love, the practical details that is that someone how nice. He hears songs. I remember, you talked about worth living that
song, but also hidden reasons. Not a song that seemed almost like I didn' t know it and pretend it for comfort and hope in the middle of a situation that would come soon after not and then I' ll resist in the middle when you sometimes say good, I can' t anymore and it collapses the whole and doesn' t get into the bunker of life and says good. Here I am, and to God, let it go as it is then. But it' s important because sometimes many people' s
lives are blocked forever by these traumas. Not then the songs, the music and above all the popular music, is that your style is peculiar and the people who hear us, those who know you, know you, love us, we are passionate. But that close popular style or lyrics that suggest things of life, feelings, intimacies that allude to divinity, but in such a way occasionally and very intelligent, without that it is something lazy and as very
proselytizing, which is not the way. Then and people are left unabated and then, in the good popular moments, with the Celtic music now or with the accordion or with the violin, with your instruments, now we have translated into the gaita, the gaita, this, this more Celtic, cannot be. Uh, so there aren' t so many Celtic music bands in Spain either. There is a section of the short Celts that, by the way, the short Celts mentioned to you as territorially on some occasions of the past.
Hey, I remember in your good times. Not because there isn' t that much Celtic music in Spain, is there, and there aren' t that many. No, but there is. Perhaps what there are are more traditional, more traditional type where good has in your space, has your
hij exam. But if it is true that what we do, that fusion that we have, because it allows us to play in many places, it is not either a festival foll either because one like now, for example, the Fira de hace sans or it is a festival of beer or a festival of wine, for example, or medieval or above all in the medieval fair, which that is a lot, not and we fit a lot. All this stuff that we really fit together. Yeah, yeah, hey, Miguel
and Rosas. He spent an hour here talking. It' s that listening to you and when there are people who say I want the book good. Please buy the book. They can find it in the gutter. I' ve already told you. I' m gonna put him up on the wall. Ours to see and tell what the book is called. Well, he ' s already telling them the story so they can sit down. But they will understand many keys besides the interview, because, Miguel Rosa, thank you for being as you are of a species. I don' t think it
' s very common. Well, there we are, then, walking through that valley of shadow of death. Not really. Thank God, because with our gaze on him, Jesus, our gaze shows Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus is the polar star of our life. And thanks to him, because thanks to him who conquered death. We no longer see a death as an end of nothing, but on the contrary, an end of a stage of affliction, but a beginning of a new stage, without pain, without
singular affliction, a moment of precious earthlyity. Seeing our children face to face, look at so many people who are no longer here that they are gone. For us, death is the beginning of something very beautiful that we hope will come one day. We' re in no hurry. We want to walk the road that remains with our eyes on him and take advantage of each day so that we can carry hope where there is no hope and if our life can go out for something, for it is our greatest privilege that he
can use us and as he wills there is in his will. Of course, that' s ours isn' t the end. Thank you very much. We balm them of the grace of Jesus, of the grace of God. They' re balms. This is how the aloe vera from heaven will tell someone in my family, he will see almost everything crazy, not rigid and such not. This is the aloe vera of heaven, but deeper, is not the grace of God, which is grace, which is a balm
of the soul and which is true and true. It is not a chimera, it is not a milonga, it is not very true, because, dear ones, I thank you very much for your public appearance. I know this does a lot of good to a lot of people, because I' m sending you a very, very affectionate hug. Thank you, an English hug. He loves us very much, friends, even always chao or the train of life, life, even if the sun shines and gives moon, the night is extinguished, even if they are denied by the sea and an
abyss crosses. If I will not meet in Fina, I will rejoice, and in the face of the war I will smile, though the bird sings to you, and a thick mist merdeje, though the fire no longer warm, it is hard for me to breathe, I will not give in, I will rejoice, who loves you I will smile, I will not give in, I will resist, and, in the midst of the new test
to overcome, I will not look back. We will cross the valleys and the great finite cities, plains, endless mountains, under which not of stars come the sun of flame, we will open the way, although we are sold, we are pilgrims, see these seasons the arrows, my words,
my masto music. I will not return, I will rejoice, and before the war I will smile, I will not surrender, I will resist, and in the midst of the trial I will overcome to buy the newspaper, to go to the people next door, to get rid of the traffic jams to lower the trip to lose you. It doesn' t matter why you
use your bike or where you go with it. What matters is that they circulate as far to the right, that you can see with reflective elements and that you do not use headphones that prevent you from hearing the rest of vehicles on foot by bike, by motorcycle or and car. What we want is for you to arrive at the General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. You know we' re on Facebook. You know we ' re on Facebook connect between the train of life is and follow us and
follow us and we' re in a total summer station. Hey, that ' s it. This is summer, and a summer is coming It' s coming a little. He put it on like they say. Down there not strong, 40 degrees this week. It seems that forty- seven are being advocated. Well, good God help us. It' s starting. The heat is starting a little later than usual, and that goes well with us. Let' s hope not, that it doesn' t end too late, neither about the summer. How to take care of our health in
summer. In some summer tips for the care of our health. Drink plenty of liquids, even if we don' t have to avoid drinks with coffee, alcohol or sugar, which can favor dehydration, reduce intense physical activities, outdoors during the warmest hours, look for shade, cover your head, wear light and light colored clothes and also fresh footwear, elementary things. Not good.
The other one, rock you know, a good friend. The other Rock is a very multifaceted man, in addition to being a great doctor, very dear, with an impressive professional career as a pastor doctor, a pastor in practice, I told you, a pastor of these who are for the work, and also a man licensed in theology and other things that always make us that when he speaks, there is an authority of knowledge of what is
being talked about and we talk about practical issues. We have asked you for your help as always, and I welcome my good friend, Dr Modesto Roca. Good morning, Modesto, Good morning, Dear July, Good morning, Audience, How about Modesto the summer as well, so far we go with a little delay in the heat last year. The heat started in June.
The strong heat. Right. Yes, this year is a very special year, not because notice even the first days of July has rained that it is for me has been exceptional here in the surroundings, that we are with very mild temperatures, very pleasant. Now it' s when you start hitting hard and when you have to take some precautions. Of course, yes, certainly
in summer. It' s good, it' s good, summer is a very light- hearted time, very unscathed, very much so that we all go as we go, not because we want not also and we go looser. But summer also has risks with respect to our health that we sometimes do not realize and some summer precautions for health must be taken into account. You can give us some guidelines. Yeah, you know that humans, well, some are stronger, some are weaker. It is also closely linked to
age and conditions. A child has less resistance than an adult and a very adult adult has less resistance than a young adult. We' re not going to put the sixty- five- year limit there. There are people who are sixty- five years old who are very active, even at seventy, but normally we fall into energies, that is, the body becomes less resilient. This means that we have greater cords, greater body care so that we
can enjoy the summer. I would say with harmony, without frights and the big topic you mentioned just now is to face the heat as good a good hydration, especially water, if it does not look like a pathology like diabetes or hypertension, that they take diuretics and, therefore, they have a greater risk of having a problem secondary to the lack of fluid intake. True, drinking plenty of fluids, avoiding alcohol. That, of course, alcohol is
bad to see. We are not now going to immunize alcohol in all situations, but it is to be of an extraordinary califying influx, because that vasodilator and, therefore, can also have very negative effects. The subject of clothing, you said it quite rightly. A light dress doesn' t look very good to go to high- copete restaurants and go in shorts, but down the street is very good. Yes, I remember years ago an experience we
had in August was in the famous United States Vegas. We were going with my wife, my youngest son and we were going, so, like tourists, short pants, shirt, short sleeves and we went to a place that you would all have seen in the cinema, which is kind of a flying saucer, which is on top of a kind of ze Worlds topo pole. It' s called the top of the world, it' s called too high, so high that when it' s up, it' s a restaurant, you' re looking at helicopters that smell of height, height.
And I remember how good we went on a tourist and when we arrived a lady who played metre wow father would not accept us if I didn' t wear a long sleeved shirt and well I had to give in. Logically, I ceded and everyone put us on the other side of the dining room like the stinks, because we didn' t carry on the mat, in the elegance that the place required. No, but, well, I told you look at you guys in Europe we' re like that, uh, fresh.
In summer we wear much lighter clothes and aptly the color, dark clothes. You know black preferentially absorbs heat, absorbs a lot of energy, and that' s going to be harmful. Note that in the very warm countries, Cuba, countries say they are in the torrid strip, they are going to wear white clothes, linen clothes, which is very fresh and white, because it reflects sunlight, and that will keep the temperature cooler. Therefore,
a good hydration, a proper clothes and then avoid. Avoid. I would say mostly heavy jobs people who are working in the field, in construction. Well, all this staff. I think it' s more or less regulated by law, but I don' t know if it' s very successful or it had to be improved so that those people could enjoy themselves. You have to work in the cool hours, a little bit in the Andalusian custom. You know they' re very smart in these Andalusians. Last week we
were in Granada with my wife. It was a personal matter and from entry to temperature was elevated. But you know the heat there is much more echoing than here in Catalonia. Here the heat twenty- eight degrees you are already unable to stand and there thirty- two, thirty- four cuts it very well and at hours of intense sun you do not see a soul in the street. All over the world is covered restaurants, houses, places, fresh,
and that is highly recommended. Do not do sport, do not go by bike, do not make special efforts in times of maximum heat, why because of the risk to heat stroke. Heat shock, and this we have experienced every year in the area that I am now, which is a medium - temperate help zone, but in July August it can hit hard and every
year we see some case in emergency heat strokes. People who have breathing problems or older people are more likely to experience heat shocks than body temperature rises above 40 degrees. True, and then we get into a problem, notice that our body temperature doesn' t reach thirty- seven, thirty- six with three, about thirty- six with two. That would be an average already when we went up thirty- seven or more than thirty- seven, we
already sweated. But when it comes to a point where our organism already exceeds its regulatory capabilities, that' s when we run the risk of heat stroke, then it' s tired. There may be nausea and vomiting, there may even be with may have lost consciousness, there may be a flushing of the face, there may be a lack of perspiration, because the body will
no longer give more of itself. And it' s a danger, a mortal danger, danger to run, you have to put the person in a cool place, you have to apply cold cloths to him, you have to make him drink liquids and call emergency and move him, because sometimes he runs at risk and, in fact, notice. Every year people die for this cause and not a few Sometimes thousands of people die from excess heat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I' ve seen data in Europe on heat strokes.
Besides, Spain is a solarium. When it squeezes the heat in everything it is bathed by many seas and the subject of solar exposure that does not abuse the solar position. This in the sun is certainly look. I am very white skin and I have already developed two skin cancers. Glory to God I' m cured is fine, but and I' m not a person to stand there like lizards in the sun. I make an extremely equated use. But, well, there are more delicate skins. Very white skins and
catalog in four degrees, one or two, three four. The whitest skin the Nordic skin, as it is grade one. Black people would be gado four, which are less at risk, right, but skin cancer is very common. In fact, look at something curious. It was the year of the pandemic, which, due to the lower exposure of the sun under skin cancer. I' m speaking in general in the country. The pathology statistics of our country were down because people were more recuperated at home. Then the
sun and I remember very striking cases I remember two sisters already advanced. I ' m talking about two women over eighty twins, I mean, identical. The one was very fond of sunbathing all her life and the other quite the opposite. And you saw one and didn' t seem to be eighty years old, it seemed that she was one hundred and twenty years wrinkled past and, instead, the one who didn' t take the sun fresh piece to raise the importance of the sun, of the excess of the sun. Obviously,
we cannot avoid it, but we do have to take precautions. What you said before the clothes there I would add a hat, an elongated hat, especially the affected parts. And in summer we have the tendency of short sleeves, but careful would be more able to a long sleeve. Of course, of a tissue that transpires and that does not incise on the skin directly the sun rays. Yeah, yeah. It is also important because in addition, the problem of extremely common skin cancers in all doctors in life we see
with some frequency some of these cancers. Or we suffer from it They' re pawns. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, to keep in mind also sunscreen creams It is also very important this to help us. And then, the subject of the bathroom with precautions. There' s good, I don' t talk about the drownings that already occur in children and teenagers bazaar and sometimes in older people because of recklessness, and parents have to be very
much in the care of children who drown in a plis plaush. Yes, I think it is also a problem of education on the part of parents, who are directly responsible for grandparents. I remember my father, my grandmother, going to the beach in summer, to the beach we had, as well as excursion that was done at that time. I' m talking about many
years ago, it was Ashiches, province of Barcelona. We were on a bus on that road of curves and that day we were burning alive because there was no knowledge and we all ended up with one with fevers, with an installation. I remember having suffered that in my childhood out of ignorance, but there was another fact that yes, that was that the elders recommended it and
it was to keep the time. After having eaten to get into the water directly and when you entered the water, do not go in suddenly, do it little by little so that the body acclimatized to the temperature of the water, so that there was not that shock that caused the problem and there could therefore be a fainting, a lipothymia, obviously, in the hypothymia inside the
water. Outside the water, because look you fall to the ground and little thing, but inside the water, because you drown and it is very important to also drink very cold drinks, very cold and you throw the swimming pool at once wow, that the thermal shocks Look. I remember once a few years ago I was traveling in the bird from Barcelona to Madrid for a medical congress. I had to go to the Loves with cans to Madrid and went
in the car that they call silent. I don' t know if you know or sometimes there I went and you' re going great because you can
' t hear a good fly. If there is a fly today, all of a sudden, the speakers ask if there is a doctor, if there is a doctor who please, who comes to the car like this and I wake up and run and I find a young man of less than forty years who had ingested a day there was a bottle of orange juice, quite abundant, very cold at a stroke and, as I said well, a digestion cut that was worth once seen to the cause, it was not difficult to
solve the problem. But if drinks are too cold on an empty stomach or if you drink something very cold and get in the water, you have to be very crisp. Yes prudent, because you run a risk the sudden change of body temperature with food and colors must be taken into account and then the subject of meals in mayonnaise and all that kind of issues that danger. High danger. If we buy products as they are processed, they already have their
preservatives, obviously, there the risk decreases dramatically. But if they are the typical Mayans in those homemades, or the famous Aliyolli that is consumed here in our area with garlic is the sweetest, but with garlic that is very rich, true according to that you accompany it, but recently, you have to consume it. And if you' re going to spend some time since it gets consumed, immediately put your food in the phygorific, don' t leave
it out of the fridge. There are people who have the little awareness that they' re going to leave it at these high temperatures on the table, in the kitchen, or wherever, and they' re going to spend time And that' s already the bacteria that have reproduced and they' re going to give you a bad feeling if they don' t give you something worse. The famous gastroenteritis, the famous diarrhea that we see mayonnaise, we see it in meats, we see it in fish, we see it in everything
that leads to egg and, of course, also in certain restaurants. Years ago, there was a diarrhea that we called the daily Chinese restaurants that were being provoked. It was produced by rice that had already fermented outside of refrigerator and ate sack and in the bas like street lamppost. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. We have to take care of this issue yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, as well and then there are other aspects that have to do now, not so much with the somatic question of the body, but yes, with the
question of summer it has many attractions. It is a beautiful time to also rest, renew, mountain, beach, family, friends, good rest, meals well in a way also prudent, but a little bit more loose. But I have spoken many times about living a spiritually refreshing summer, because also the desires of the eyes, the desires of the face, as John says in his epistle, and the boastfulness of life in summer is also greatly enhanced, true for reasons, everything on the beach, everything on the beach,
on the beach where you see certain absolutely powerful girls. Yeah, yeah, you got to control, yeah, that impudent wish. No, yeah. The truth is that summer is wonderful, because we can have more time of a vacation time, a relaxing time is a good time to share with family, with friends. It' s also a good time to get some good books. I like them every summer. Now I have a good book that was given to me by a dear pharmaceutical friend, from a stone pharmacy that
' s your grandfather. I think it was his father, his father, not his grandfather, his father. He was one of the doctors who introduced you to penicillin in Cataliña the other day we were tabling and says Mira, I want to give you away. I want you to have it and give it to me and I' ll read it. I' m looking forward
to having time to win the book and be able to read it. It is not worth books of history, books novels, books of literature, but, above all, the book of books, this one cannot forget dear Julius, the book that emanates life in itself, which is the word of God And I, well, I am preparing, as we all pastors do, the message on Thursday. Today we have the Bible study. On Sunday we have the message of the word of the Lord and there is the Lord showed
me a very interesting facet and that I would like to tell. You know that humans work by imitation. Parents are imitated by children, for s u ns and for bad it is worth then I discover in me characteristics of my father, some that I hate do not like and then I have them. Me. There is an imitation also in the scriptures. We found a lot of characters. We can talk about Abraham. Abraham was a great man, a great man of God, but careful Abraham was a man who also in
his life had sin. We can talk about King David wow what a piece of king, what a wonder of man and winning the battles, but one day he fell in love. The thing was that impudence we used to mention of a good girl and God, the one who messed up, had the husband killed. First a strategy to see if they could get him drunk, if he could see that the girl' s pregnancy was her husband' s
instead, or a machination. And well, we could go through Jacob, we could pass through Paul, through Peter, and none of them, none of them is a normative life. The only normative life for the Christian is Christ, the only life worthy of being invited in all its facets is Christ. And this took me. He took me to Matthew' s Gospel. You know that Matthew' s Gospel is written under a very clean theological line.
It is the gospel written by a Jew for Jews and begins to look at the first book and the first gospel that is in a new testament. And when you read, especially when you have in depth a connoisseur of scriptures you realize that Matthew contains five messages, Five great messages from Lord Jesus. The first message is well known, it is the sermon on the Mount. Then there is a second message that begins in chapter ten and so on.
But each of these messages is linked to the five books of Moses, to the so- called Pietateuch, to Genesis, to Exodus, to Leviticus, to numbers, and to Uteronomian. So the message of Christ on the Mount, the sermon on the Mount, is linked to the Book of Genesis And it is very interesting, because what the Book of Genesis tells about the beginning
of life. And when one meditates says caramba mateo five or six and seven is the beginning of spiritual life, how should the life of the Christian really be what the Lord shows us And there is good, things that we have already said. And I' m going to mark one that seems especially relevant to me, and it' s the anxiety, that disproportionate concern that humans have, that I' ll eat that dress up with whom to pay the rent. How am I going to cope with the expenses, how am I
going to cope with my life? And, well, that situation that sometimes gets complicated by diseases, with deaths, with breakdowns. And the most important thing is to live life and live life in fullness. And then, the ultimate example to imitate and seek in every moment and in every situation is Christ. And there' s his message not to worry, not to worry, not to accumulate wealth, not to covet the things that someone else has even
notice. There' s something very deep in there. When he says you have watched the birds of the sky do not cultivate, they sow us and your father, who is in the sky feeds them And well, here I have the privilege of living in a rural area And there, in the courtyard, there is a kind of area that is, as I would say, with a metallic cloth and already a couple of times this spring summer I have been able to catch a bird trapped in the gate, in the metal cloth
and you take it and think, Holy Father, what a wonder, how it can this, that weighs twenty grams, have this knowledge, that it can fly and that it can jump, that knows the dangers and knows what to eat. And well, she shows it to my wife, because she likes little animals a lot, too, and then we let him go. And those little animals who feed them, who takes care of them. The Lord and the Lord keep saying and he seems very shepherdish. This looks like
a field thing. He talks about lilies, flowers and there my wife is very fond of flowers. I have a garden towel that looks like a flower forest and they' re all different. They' re all beautiful, they ' re all beautiful, they' re all dressed in bright colors and at times and you don' t see them anymore at night because they' re already drying up, but tomorrow new flowers spring up again. And well, the women, more than the men, are much given to clothes to dresses.
Hey, there' s no more beautiful clothes than flowers. There' s no greater beauty. And this gives God something that is born and dies in one day. And that says how God won' t take care of you. And to me this seems dear Julio so relaxing in a position of a believer. I don' t find it so relaxing because I think good, my God takes care of me for what I' m going to live in anguish if I retire, if I don' t retire, if I ' m going to have, if I' m not going to have?
Because I saw God is the God of the calculator. That' s how Pastor also tells you sometimes I think there are parents. This is how we ' re gonna stop rent. Well, sir you have the calculator and the last day appears on the church account exactly the money it takes to make the payments. I say well, Mr Gloria your name, because I couldn'
t pre- render this. And so it is in everything, and it is a recommendation, brothers friends who can hear me seek God and trust him, because the care of birds, take care of the flowers and how it will not take care of us, that we have greater value. Oh, that' s what our dear and remembered Jordi Rotch said. If he takes care of the birds, he will also take care of the privilege of knowing Jordi roth and of being a doctor What characters, yes or what songs.
It' s wonderful, too. Play that song, not that song. I don' t know if there is as we speak, alex the good girl has another one planned, but that' s a very nice song by Jordi Rotch. And how beautiful the example you set to trust God in the
things of life and that is real. Hey, fifty years later we give good, because you and I are the same age and we almost have very parallel lives of many things and we are friends, friends of true friends then and we have told each other a lot of part, that we have lived many battles together of faith, but we have told each other many things and the truth, after so much Lord You say, is that it is so
real that we have to live it. People do not know that real Christian life, living with Jesus, is a passionate life, is an obvious life, has repercussions, but he is and cares for us and provides us and comforts us and lifts us up when we fall a thousand things and is real, it is not imaginary, it is not an imaginary god that you want a mental film. And not Jesus is a real god, he is a God of miracles, he is a God who loves you, he is a
God. The other day I meditated on salvation not and came to the confusion that if he had had to die for me alone, he would have done so. I' m absolutely convinced. But he didn' t die just for me. He died for all human beings. But you have to give your life to him in order to enjoy his presence in your life is wonderful. Mr Yes, that' s right, that' s right, he
' s a dear friend. Hey Finally, you mode this you are a pastor, being with people, apart from that your passion for professional vocation is always well known to us and many patients. But the issue of being there, in the city of martorey, a very industrial city that, by the way, there are not many evangelical churches There, curiously it is a city I always say that there we have a bridge of the Devil and a church of God. That I like that phrase, because the Devil' s bridge
is true and that of God' s Church is also true. And it ' s a church that' s cost a lot. That Martore Church is over eighty years old. He has suffered struggles, calamities, problems and there we remain dear July in Martorel, a beautiful city not far from Barcelona. It has two large urban centres. Let' s say the classic core,
the vila, the new core. It' s also very industrial. They are constantly creating new jobs, making it a living city and the truth is a pleasure working in that city with those wonderful people, with those wonderful neighbors that we have truth and we are there. Well, now we' ve changed premises. It' s gonna be the year we' re in a new vowel on Sanyores or Toons Street, number five from Martorella. There' s your church, your house. If you want to visit us, it
will be a pleasure so dear friend. Well, then modest, thank you so much for being with us and I' m passing on to my friend one of the songs of one of Jordi Rotch' s songs, to see if I don' t know if Alex can put them here in our remembered Jordi Rotch. Well, then, I am sending you a very affectionate hug, just as I am Julio, a strong and affectionate hug for you. I do, too. I greet the audience you gave. Thank you, thank you. This man premes who died in I know that when he died
he gave him the sidewalk says it gives him the light of good. I see I' m saved. I think that this one I think that in my sucito today I am bli rocho love modre commbre or the borque of so much love motorcycles I am so queño and so serious before your great creation I know that I am so poor Moreta was the man you I my evil until Christ looked like and taught me the verhereda does not concretize. Cris isn' t my video, which is from the cina playing us on the route of
Armen Sboy Dan Feley i dead Bo. It was great to say this is what Luis, Juanjo' s friend, said to prevent him from mistreating his partner. When there' s abuse in a couple, it' s not just couple stuff. Don' t allow gender- based violence. Call zero, sixteen there is exit, Ministry of Health, Social Services and Equality Government of Spain. This is a lonely little calita from some corner of Spain. It is surrounded by vegetation and its water is crystalline that when you are inside
you see perfectly your feet. The sand is white, thin and clean. It' s a wonder and you know why this hottie is like this, because you can only get there walking is worth coming, but if you do, walk by respecting the rules of circulation, because summer is full of life and lives. Directorate- General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. You travel on the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen,
we are in good company. We are with Pastor Noemi Cortés, who is the pastor of the Vanganic Church of Grace, but also especially the mention of today, regarding her being the President of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, an institution with a very long historical trajectory, defender of the rights of Protestants and of the language, of the Catalan language, of the precious Catalan language, and that has been awarded with the Onceavo Memorial casiayus which is a high
- level award that has had echo in the secular press, in the vanguard, in different media religious Catalonia and also in protest before digital evangelical news and in our media, for being a remarkable news for the trajectory, the work, the good doing of the Biblical Institution of Catalonia, presided by pastore noemiy Cortés and who we have here already this morning, good morning, to noemí
Hello good morning. How we are. It is not often that a good woman in some respects yes, but a woman pastor, president of a foundation institution already in her time, Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia, who has been awarded a high distinction that the generality grants and that will take place, in addition, the delivery of this award, this award at the palaut of the Hgeneralitat of Catalonia, at the Grazas in Yauma, this Thursday at 6 p
m, before the authorities the Vice President of the Guber of Catalonia, Laura Vilagra, who will give this award to President Nemy Cortés and also, because there will be other representatives of the Protestant world and, of course, also our admired and also forum of the Protestant world. I am Luis Caro Rovira,
who will also have some introductory words in this regard. How you feel in this case, as President of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, with this award noe me, I feel very honored, very grateful and very happy. At the first moment it was a surprise because they took him very quietly and very hidden, because after that, when it was published, I began to get the congratulations of many people who were on the jury and who knew
it, but who were all very cautious to say nothing. Therefore, it was a surprise, a very pleasant surprise and another reason to thank our God, for it allows us to be present in society, not only to move within what the evangelical people would be, but to give visibility to this people within society. That' s right, tell us a little bit for our
hearers of the train of life. What it does, what it represents and what is the origin and trajectory of the Biblical Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, the Ibec that you have been presiding over for some years now. Leibn was born at a difficult time, so to speak the full Francoist dictatorship nation. He was born in it officially in a thousand nine hundred and sixty- sixties. But already in the nineteen hundred and sixty- five he published the first evangelical
hymnal in Catalan of the Vanchalica Biblical Institution of Catalonia. He collected some hymns that had been translated earlier, including some from the 19th century in Catalan and others that were being made. We had seven stage editions, the last one
was in the year nineteen hundred and ninety- seven. If I remember correctly, and we have several hymns of which we could call traditional classical hymns of the whole evangelical people translated into Catalan from French, from English or from German
or even Spanish to have them in our language. The great objective of the biblical institution was to offer the Catalan evangelical people tools to live their faith in their language and what is more important for the evangelical people to sing and read the Bible. Then we put, or well, they put those who started their best effort in being able to offer, as these hymns, these biblical texts in the Catalan language, as well as to edit a magazine that was
born in the year sixty- eight. If I remember correctly, that is, that we have already been with her for a few years and in order to be able to be the spokesman of the Catalan evangelical people and to give voice to the different people who can, can or want to communicate with her at the same time that she is the spokesman of the institution the Bible, because it took many years because, evidently, in Francoist times by the people,
just like now, the pastors and the people who were doing these translations worked on what they could and then did the translations in their free time, so they first went out in separats with different people who had collaborated, and by the end of the year two thousand we could have the Bible in full in Catalan in a translation made entirely by evangelical people, such as Pausais and
Samuel Sais. Here we can say that it was the culminating moment, because really for the poor evangelical, because having the Bible in our language is what we wanted the most, but we did not stay here. From here on, we thought more about offering other materials so that people could continue studying the word, and then they started working on the interlinear translation of Greek texts.
Then we have the new Greek interlinear testament Catalan. And now, when this one is out, we keep thinking that then we need to make the old will. And now we' re working and some volumes have come out because they' re coming out for books. And now we have several volumes of
the ancient interlinear Hebrew Catalan testament. So we continue also now we are preparing hymns that would be what we now sing, but we can offer them so that the churches will also have them and be able to present them on social networks as well. But recordings in quality so that they are not made in any way, so that the churches can also satisfy this moment of praise and
worship. Or even when we are at home and we feel like listening to music, because we can also enjoy ourselves, being able to have on social networks not only to have secular music, but also to have evangelical music in Catalan which interesting promoters of the project in those years. Well, the Catalan Protestant world is a world for many who do not know and well dated also by the historian and former vice president of the Gubert of Catalonia, Jose Huitzi
Carol Rovira to the Catalan Protestantismal countries. Catalan Protestantism comes along, with its values and also forerunner of many progressive issues in Catalan and Spanish society. Also true, the Protestant world. Yes, yes, it really is a very unknown subject, both for the people of the street, so to speak, but also for the evangelical people, because sometimes people think that we have just
arrived now, that we have just landed now in society. And the truth is that we have been here for many centuries in the Middle Pass is that throughout these centuries, there have been many problems in the 17th century. Then we had the Holy Inquisition. Then we had the persecution for not having religious freedom. Then we had a religious freedom in quotation marks, which allowed some
things, but not all. Then we have a civil war in which the Franco era closes all the churches and the evangelical people are not allowed to meet or just express themselves, expressing their faith with what leads, as we all know, to many persecutions, to fines, to imprisonment and, in some
worse cases, to the death penalty. Therefore, we can say that this subject so unknown and that we carry as basic things as education could be, that evangelical people could not be educated in schools because they have no faith of baptism. That is as important and as necessary in society as education or the fact of being able to bury a family member because he was not Catholic and not allowing them to be buried if it was not in the part that they
ultimately managed to prepare themselves apart from normal cemeteries. To put it that way, then all this has led to the Catalan evangelical people and I imagine that just as it has happened in other parts of Spain, because we have had to be very resistant, we have had to be strong, we have had to move forward and not let ourselves be intimidated by everything that happened to us. So, all this, I believe, also influences the character of the
evangelical people. I always think that when Leibec started, he started as he founded and began in the sixty- sixth year. One thousand nine hundred and sixty- six were in the Francoist era and the group of pastors or leaders who at that time decided to start the Cortés jal, Banjami Planas were Joan Balés Galmés well, a number of people who were inside the evangelical churches here when they gathered in a house, not in a church, They gathered in
a park. They gathered in the park of the tape of it, a park that is where Calzó is from Barcelona and where there is also a Castrense church, that is to say, it is quite a place for that, but it is the doors from where the Parliament Catalonia is, where our government is, and there they met. But they met there. Apart from the symbolism we could say, meet at the door of Parliament. They also gathered outside a church to avoid getting into trouble or endangering the pastor or that community.
So, now perhaps it seems to us one thing, because we would say almost very nice to meet in front of the parlamen because of the symbolism that for Catalonia has. But I thought they did it to avoid endangering people or a community, because it also tells us a lot about the situation in the country at the time. It is interesting to see that the identity of the people goes angelic Protestant understand that Protestant of Catalonia and want to preserve his
identity. Where is the greater identity of a people than in their own language, a millennial language such as the Catalan language and wanting to transmit to their culture and to their society, also in the version of their own language, the Gospel message, the biblical message, And this has been the struggle to make known the evangelical faith, of course, but also in their own language, mother and own identity, and this has a very commendable value, the
struggle to reach the people of your own country, of your own place,
of your own identity. Then the Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia, which has been awarded with the Onceavo Memorial cassia Ius, will have this guarantee where it will be delivered on Thursday, 18 July, at six o' clock in the afternoon, in the Palau de la Generalitat by the Vice- President of the Alguberde Catalunya, Laura Vila Gray, and where there will be different personalities, also with the President of the IBEC here, to whom we are interviewing
from my courts and also other representations such as I am Luis Carro Rovira, who had a previous Parliament speaking on the importance of this award, and also the Evangelical Biblical Institution of Catalonia has had such distinguished mentions as the creuda of San Jordi, and I also remember your father of Angel Cortés, an authentic fighter for faith and also for the identity and the Catalan language to make it
known to the people of Catalonia that this is so legitimate. And then he was also distinguished with the belief the highest honor of Creusan Jordi, which is one of the distinctions and, not to say the highest truth was at an important moment when my father gave him the creuda San Jordi, because he was given it because of the work he had done for the Catalan language and dissemination within the evangelical people as a person, as a tireless worker who always was
and that, because, it was the beginning of saying so of the prizes that came, because later, in the year ninety- seven, the creuda Sant Jordis gave it to the Bíblica ben Chalica Institution of Catalonia also to give this diffusion and to work, to offer for the Catalan people these means to live the faith in their language, to spread the Catalan language to all the world and also to spread it to society and to be able to offer the gospel, but in the language of the people. From here on, we
' ve always been working on how we could. There have been better moments, worse moments, There have been hard times when they began to die, because all the people who had started this path, because obviously, people get older. But from here on, we had to start taking over in a more remarkable way and before we were working a little lower under their wings, because we had to start to fly and get our hands on and start working differently. But the idea is to move on, as long as the Lord
allows us. And, therefore, because we continue to move forward in a way perhaps more open or more modern than there was at that time, because times change. But here too I think it is important to mention that when they died, well my father passed away took stain on my flats the relief. When he beat my flat, it began to be said that he already felt older to be in front of the institution. Yes, he continued to work, evidently, very faithfully, with the whole subject of the magazine and
everything, but he did not want to be in front of it. The assembly that was organized voted for a woman and I have to say that the people who were at that time there were many older people and, therefore, and I think they demonstrated once again the courage that there is characteristic of the Biblical and Angelic Institution of Catalonia to be able to put a woman as President, because of course it was the one that he represented and they were very
used to that they had been already important pastors, whether my father or people of renown eat the blan already my Planas and suddenly put in that moment a younger person like me, who comes or pulls forward and we trust you that you can do it. And that I think is also a citation of this, because the people who voted for me, most of them were people.
Major were men, and most were men. And at this moment we have the Presidency I and the other Presidency, which is that of the editor of the magazine presente se Vangelica, also takes it to a woman who is Mary Elizabeth Mary Planas, with which we can say that it is an entity that we are very clear that we can all work, provided that this one works
for the work of God. In this sense, the Catalan Protestant world is the interclassist, because this is demonstrated by another worldview of the spirituality of the faith. Unlike other confessions that traditionally the man is the protagonist of everything absolutely, the woman is relegated to a second, third or fifth or flat. And this, too, must be celebrated. But also the magazine Presistencia Evangelicala,
a magazine for the speaker, besides with articles I remember. In fact, I have collaborated with some of the articles with Benjami Planas and a very pioneering magazine, a magazine also with a biblical, theological and intellectual level of magnitude Evangelical Presence, since how many years, since more than fifty. If I remember correctly, it seems to me that it began in a thousand nine hundred and sixty- eight to be published and has been published uninterruptedly since then
it comes out quarterly and has never stopped publishing. I remember that when Joseph Luis Carol Ruira made the presentation of his book, because he cited us as an example of a written magazine, a published magazine, one of the oldest that continues to come out in Catalan in a faithful way, coming out every quarterly, with which I believe that also here is to thank this work, that it is not easy to carry the magazine, but that with it we
want to be the spokesman, obviously, of the institution, because it is the magazine that we have to be able to bring out the issues but also
the spokesman of the Catalan evangelical people. We say that it is available to everyone in order to be able to offer us their articles that you have published, it has published many people and we want this to continue, because we always say that the institution is open to everyone, that it has no denomination, it is interdenominational is so that everyone can express his voice and be able to say a little, speak and explain what his heart has at that moment.
So I think it' s important that this level. Evidently, publications always try to have, as you say, a level. We cannot publish anything, because what we want is for them to keep this level high and also doctrinally, that is correct. We don' t want anything published there at all. We want it to be doctrinally at the foot of the Bible. Therefore, be correct, then it is very important for us to maintain this level. But the evangelical people do feel that they have this magazine so
they can use it. It was very important, for example, as well as an example, during the time of the covid that unfortunately many people went to the presence of the father without being able to be dismissed, without being able to have accompaniment, without anything, and we tried to give them a voice in the magazine talking to the families and paying them a small tribute, because at least the families felt the accompaniment of the evangelic people at that time
so hard. For example, that was another way to make this magazine available to everyone. And I think it was a beautiful moment within the sadness and everything that we went through, but to be able to feel that people felt accompanied at a time that they could not be next to the people that had left them. Therefore, we do not believe in a closed magazine that we publish it four people or three I do not publish in each issue. No. No, it' s not this idea. The idea is a magazine
that has a level that is pleasant to the eye. That is why we have the two youngest people who take care of the whole subject, more of layout or edition, but who are the spokesperson of the evangelical people, because we believe it is important to give this voice to society. How many things?
How many things? How many, how many jobs, how much presence, raising the voice through that of the written media, to make known the message of the Bible in the Catalan language when this was alatemized, especially during the Franco dictatorship, and to make known the catal language in the language of a people, of a people who have their own language and, of course,
notice. There are eight million people living in Catalonia and many do cultural immersion, but Andorra, the Balearic Islands and Valencia, for the also linguistic echo, and such more than ten million Catalan speakers direct, to a greater
or lesser extent at least look if the subject matter is very important. Therefore, the evangelical Biblical institution of Catalonia has done an enormous work for many years through its publications, and we have also seen the magazine Evangelical Presence Evangelical,
which has also been very interesting. And it remains so, because Noemi and Cortés, President of the IBEC in the Evangelical Institution of Catalonia, And also with this award we will enjoy this day, this Thursday in the Palau de la Genalidad, which is a great honor to be there, to receive this award so deservedly a recognition of a whole trajectory, of a struggle for the spread of the word of God in Catalan and for the Catalan people, of
course, wonderfully done, for it is a pleasure to be able to enjoy this award and also to be there that afternoon, this 18th of July, at 6 p m, in the Palau de la Genaridad, the Plaza San Jaun and where we will also be accompanying you with great pleasure, of course
that yes to me many thanks. Thank you. It is a pleasure that you accompany us on that day, because for us it is very important, for the institution, it is very important this day, but I also think it is very important to offer this vision of unity of the evangelical people when there is a reason for joy, just as we can do on multiple occasions,
but above all to do so in the Palau de la Gianalidad. To be able to offer this image of unity of complete joy among all, which no matter what denomination or who you are or who you are or who you are, but the important thing is that we are all to abandon this very thing, God, and that it is a cause of joy that when we
are enjoyed, for we all enjoy. And I really want to thank you from the depths of my heart, because it is that day that you accompany the institution and that you are at our side, because it is an important moment and always be well surrounded by friends and people who love you, because it is the best we can have. Yes, of course, well, many congratulations. There is no courtesy of me, President of the IBEC, for this reward and God, through it we will be there soon. Thank
you, see you soon. Thank you very much. A kiss on the train of life life life, there' s a thief trying to steal me two wants. Whoever compares me to us says the blessing is made of gold silver, but I have another or treasure is that my happiness cannot be named. Either that or you just have to remember. I' m more than blessed, I' m more than loved if I have a cricket, I don' t need anything. I am more than blessed or meaningless. I ' m more than senuro, I' m more vigo, richer in the
world and they' re cheating on it' s okay. If I don ' t sound on the radio, I don' t have to fernate and my role in my home and family and Christ will suffice me as I don ' t know happy if it' s FREE and better to give that I received that already convinced me more than bless, know more than loved if you don' t or nothing else wrong. I' m more than blessed or make sense of it. I' m more than hard. I' m the richest man in the world? Maldo is that my happiness cannot be bought.
It' s simple. Just remember. I' m more than blessed. I' m more than love. If I have a pussy, nothing goes away. I' m more than blessed, even if you don' t have to feel it. Have more than that. Not rich, so rich son in the world. You may go cooler in summer with shorts and T- shirts, but think that nothing is as hot as the touch of asphalt with your skin. In fact, hug the biker, don' t notice. The skin on the road wears proper clothes, because summer is full
of life and lives. We' re all going next to you. Directorate - General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. Sixty - eight percent of minors have consumed alcohol in the last month, their continued consumption causes physical harm and causes family conflicts, but calm. I' m sure your daughter doesn' t really drink minors without alcohol, educate, report,
prevent Government of Spain. The train of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable trip at the rhythm of trem or. Ladies and gentlemen, we are already in the colors of life. Life has so many strokes, so many reliefs and so many perspectives that we really have to learn to live, to learn to live and to overcome the contingencies
of life, sometimes predictable contingencies, but many times not predictable. Unpredictable, things that displace us in life and that we meet again with ourselves and with our destiny. Well, it gives us a great difficulty, for example, in the case of starting again after a divorce, something that for us is significant, the commitment, the marriage bond. Couples, in fact, will see it from another point of view, but it' s kind of like
marriage. But we talk about marriages, as God commands what we should know to start over after a divorce. Well, some keys we have today. Judith proposes to us five points that we must know deeply not to repeat in the next marriage the same ending that we have had in the previous one or in which we might have. According to statistics, we' re more likely
to get divorced again if we come from a previous divorce. This tells us some statistics a little jinx, but they suggest that there is a high chance of getting divorced again. If we come from a previous divorce, well, we' ll see where. It is true that Judith helps us, and this leads us to question why, for that is what we are going to ask our favorite psychotherapist of the train of life, who is Judit Cacho, Judith gas O. Good morning, very good morning, Julio, well,
why? Why? These statistics, which are a little bit, a little gaphis, tell us that we can reproduce the pattern, because in reality it is one of the great reasons why it is easy to repeat the pattern is because many times people do not really question what has failed in us, but
we usually wonder what has failed in the other. One of the things that happens with divorces precisely because it has to do with a form of living together and learning to be next to the eight of the other, learning to live together, and not simply in the state of falling in love in which we all begin, but then it involves a series of responsibilities, it involves a series of care, it involves taking into account the other, even if I don' t want to take it into account or when I don' t
want to take it into account, but always take it into account, because it is a travel companion or a travel companion of the maximum possible length. Not really. Then one of the things that happens is that, when we have already experienced a divorce, it means that this way of generating that coexistence that we make with the other person of walking through our life or throughout our entire life with that partner or that companion, we have not been able to
establish it correctly. I always say that problems in a breakup of a couple relationship, not just well. On the one hand, it is true that many times responsibilities are not equitable, that is, we do not have fifty - fifty percent responsibility for each other. But many times to one of the things that happens is that, maybe, one of the couple has only a ten percent responsibility to a twenty percent and the other has the other ninety.
That' s right. It is true that there are completely symmetrical jars, where one has generated many conflicts and the other not so many. But in reality, in a relationship of couples, the two parties always have part of responsibility and there are a series of behaviors that the two have carried out, which have generated and continue to generate that marital failure, a patrimonial breach that
is a divorce. It' s not really a failed marriage failure the couple agree, although we don' t like to see it that way when we say divorce, like we have so bad and we know that there' s something that' s not working well or that we' re doing well. One of the things that we like when we say divorce is today look it happened to me. I didn' t expect it A guy never starts wanting
a divorce, and that' s true. What happens is that sometimes we realize that the problem of failure is that there is something that we have not done well, of agreements always have to do with both. Now, why, why this trend than if I have already made a mistake or there has already been a failure in my previous marriage, how is it that there are more chances, more vulnerability and statistics, there is more chance that another divorce will relive than not that I will not live it again, as one of
the great reasons are the life scripts and our burdens. If our script made us unable to maintain a marriage and we didn' t detect it and we changed that script by knowing it directly and disobeying it, it' s one of the things we' ll see today. We will repeat the same problem, because we will be repeating the exact same thing as repeated in the previous
marriage. Maybe not in very practical behaviors. Perhaps there are a number of behaviors that we have not repeated, but yes our script, our way of feeling, our way of reacting to certain circumstances, certain conflicts, is repeated again. And the other is the dread that gives us as a society, to look at our failures, because we are afraid to look at that failure to find mistakes that have to do with our responsibility, therefore, with our
guilt, and to change them. In fact, if we thought that every time we look at our mistakes, the goal is simply to change, and not that no one accuses us of guilt or that someone will recriminate us or treat us badly precisely because we are guilty, but if we knew that every time we look at our mistakes. The goal is to change. We'
re probably not that scared. The problem is, no. It is that we are in society where when someone fails in some area and therefore, it means that he has made a mistake and it has not come to him or the expectation he had about what he is doing, for example, marriage, the expectation of being able to maintain that marriage for the rest of his life and be able to take care of each other and be partners until old age.
That expectation is not fulfilled because we have made a series of mistakes in a row and it has been made that objective that does not reach, that we do not reach it, that breaks down the road. We would need to be able to look at it, know how much I' m responsible for that failure and be able to change, although it was only ten,
twenty percent of what I' m guilty of. I need to be able to know what, in order not to repeat the same kind of script usually after a divorce, the only thing we heard from both sides of the couple that has broken up is that the other one has torn me apart, that she is an evil one, that he has mistreated me, that he has never wanted to change him, or that she has never wanted to change,
or that she has always controlled me. But it' s very difficult, or everyone tends to focus on what the other one didn' t do right and it' s not what we haven' t done right. So never, ever really ever in consultation less yet have I ever heard anyone sit in front of me after a divorce and tell me honestly and hurt this and this other? And this other one? And I want to fix this in my life because I don' t want to keep committing their horrors. Never.
It' s not like I' m talking about one percent, zero or ten percent. It' s just not that anyone' s ever, ever sat with that honesty in front of me and was able to tell me if I think I' ve done something wrong. And that shows us the difficulty of looking at failure. And if we have trouble looking at failure, we will never be able to change, and therefore we are doomed to repeat the
same mistakes. Okay. So, so you tell us one is one of those that, so these people tell us we realize that problem, that we haven' t just started, that we don' t realize where the mistake is and that we' re not willing to look at our own life.
And that always, always, will always bring us consequences every time, because, as I have told you, the breaking of a relationship is always because the two have part of responsibility, even if it is not separate equals, because we both have to be clear, of course, of course, also the idea I find myself as a counselor also that the people who have suffered the handicap this, for reasons are different, it does not find it difficult
to overcome the burden that carries emotional and psychological. It costs a lot and some people more than others it leaves them as emotionally crippled for some for a very long time. True to true, to come back to true. The divorce problem is this. That' s why I don' t think it
' s God' s idea. It doesn' t make much sense because it breaks us in such a way and destroys us in such a way, because in reality it did, I put all the expectations that that relationship of couples will work and in believing that when that person has promised me fidelity, he has actually promised it not half- promised or promised it good until it suits me, or good until you don' t give me trouble or until
I feel good, but theoretically that commitment we make. That is why those vows are so important and those vows are those that, always, espue, when there is a divorce, are constantly resonating in our head and resonating and we stay at that first point in blocking. But this person promised me,
but I didn' t expect this to happen to me. It' s true, it' s like a grieving process, like when we lose someone with the difference that we lose, but we keep seeing it, or we keep having some kind of contact, or, for example, we have children in common. So, we' ll need to keep seeing each other.
That results in the scar taking a long time to heal. But it' s also true and you have to be very honest about that, that if we' re able to get into the divorce process, look at it from the inside with magnifying glass, with someone of great confidence, with someone prepared
for it, uh, it doesn' t help anyone. Then we are not served by the colleague with whom we are going to take the beers to help us through this process of agreement, because we do not trust him, but because there is not the preparation of agreement, but if we need to investigate, deepen what happened to this divorce, what happened to the other, what happened to me that I have done and what I can change, because one of the things that most pain makes people who have lived in divorce is
not only divorce, but the feeling of condemnation that I have experienced this, that I am broken, that there is something that never again will be equal to that feeling of failure. And the problem of the feeling of failure always comes. Why don' t we go to the end, because we see failure from afar and say uy. I' ll take out ado and stay here. But in reality, failure is enough. We don' t need to look at failure. What we need to look at is how I can
change it. When we give a person the hope of being able to change and avoid and understand the reason for the breakdown of that marriage, when the person truly understands why he or she understands, how much he or she is responsible and understands how to avoid it. The person overcomes that pain. But since this costs us a lot. It is true that as concessors, it also costs us a lot when we go to the person so broken to be able to say good. But we need without leaving in what you think is
not you also did well, then it costs us. It' s hard there, right, it' s very hard to do or it' s difficult. I mean emotionally to do it. But if we do, the proof is that people heal before, go through the process before, and restore their lives before. Is that a reality? Yeah, yeah? Like this? Is that so? It is recommended that we consider what are the scripts
or patterns of our life. Explain to us again what these scripts consist of, those patterns that you don' t talk about on some occasions, and how to discover them because in reality, the scripts we call scripts or patterns, because in reality, when we are born we have a kind of White Paper, which we always say is a book in which there is nothing written and when we live together and live in our family environment, certain phrases are
written for certain events. Affective deficiencies, i e lack of affection or lack of respect or care, lack of protection or overprotection, lack of trust, lack of parenting telling us whether we know or do not know how to do
things. How well we know what to do, what our abilities are, how to spend time with us, how to give us not just virtual affection and affection, it' s no use, just telling a three- and four- year- old boy I love you if I' m not going to be playing with him for a while, because he doesn' t understand the depth of that word and the pact we make before what we say. I remember, therefore, those affective deficiencies and those deficiencies in the care that
we have all experienced, because our parents could not have been perfect. It ' s impossible to be perfect and try to do it by annuating us that if it doesn' t always effect. I' m failing, and I ' m horrible. It doesn' t help, either, because it blocks us more than it makes us flow naturally. Te. I agree, but it is true that since we have not had perfect parents, it is inevitable
that we have certain shortcomings, some more than others. It' s clear, because there are parents who have been able to do a little better than others. Okay, there are also parents who have been taught the best and that is also a reality. Not then, in front of those scripts, because of the urge of these affective deficiencies, the person has written something a
reaction. Life scripts usually tell us what attitudes or actions or behaviors, what things can happen to me, what I should react to, how I should feel, how I should respond to life scripts. Here' s what they
tell us. I remember then it is a problem, for example, in front of the script of life, of a dad, for example, who works many hours that have not taught us or have not taught him to be affectionate, to give affection, to give hugs, to kiss, to say I love you, to play with me, to lie down on the ground and to be with me. One of the things that happens is that if he' s a busy dad and he has an office at home, when we go into the office, the dad always gets it is a moment that
' s not over. No, no, don' t wait later no, when we eat well, it' s all dish with you, which is very heavy these phrases, even if they seem grotesque to us. When someone says naja without out of contexts, we say them a lot and when we say them, we teach something to the child, you bother or you are a burden or when you have the need for affection of affection with the other, if you don' t do something that suits him, if you don' t do something to help him or if you interrupt me you are
already rejected. What it means is that in front of the feeling that later on in the couple, for example, my wife or my husband answers me there are affections that I am making bonding. Let me just for a moment, I can' t now what you think we' re gonna feel, because the life script will tell us one. My husband or my husband is rejecting me. Two. They don' t care about me or what I
need. Three. I' m just following life. He acts constantly and daily, as we do not know him, because we have never examined him, we have never looked closely at him. We don' t know how
he acts. But if he gives us a series of orders, what does this person do then, because he tends to fix up he hears that I am not asking you anything, that I have only come to say hello, for example, and recrimination, which then our partner falls from accurate surprise, he sad that I am making dinner and besides, I am doing it for
you. Imagine that in addition this woman or this man who has answered this about dinner is a person who has been taught at home, who will only take care of him, will only listen to him when we are pleased, that is, when he does the things that are only born to please others. What will happen, for this husband, this wife will tell you. But if they do, I do it for you, I wouldn' t eat anything, and you know I' m from the scene. I' d make a yogut and this I make dinner for you and you' re
an ungrateful man who now knows better than to claim my attention. Those life pions that have nothing to do with the relationship of a couple, those scripts, those burdens or those patterns of life, are usually written in childhood. Why in the child is because, as we remember, we are more vulnerable and our brain is more plastic. You mean it' s like faguar cement. I always set the same example, but it is very practical. The children have a cement, they have a perton brain as if it were cements,
if in forge. It' s easy to leave a print on a cement that' s not dry, that' s unstitched. When we grow up or get bigger and bigger, we become the brains. In some hard areas it becomes less flexible. That implies, then, that it is more difficult to leave a mark. Therefore, in the affective deficiencies that we have experienced when we are young, they leave a mark, a more difficult and
more traumatic footprint than when we are adults. So the life scripts or these patterns of life, depending on the affective deficiencies we have had of your dad, mom and our environment and if to them we add disorders or traumatic situations added, makes these scripts or these patterns of life dictate to us how we
should behave in certain circumstances. If we don' t know each other and also our partner, our companion doesn' t know him either It' s inevitable that many buttons or many circumstances will be touched to bring out those scripts and, therefore, let' s not act on the basis of the consciously
reflecting what we should answer. For example, when the wife arrives and the woman answers us a little or the husband answers us, it is that she is doing in Ajena for a moment the right thing, the healthy thing, the good thing, it would be sorry I know what you are doing too much for me you are right I expect you to say the right thing socks or you say that that is almost impossible. Of course, it' s impossible because we have a series of scripts and we don' t see patterns
that dictate how we should act. These are the ones who usually put the big sticks, on the wheels, in marriage relations. Without a doubt, we are talking to the psychotherapist Judith Casso, about what we should know to start again after a divorce and we are asking her questions. But once we ' ve discovered those life scripts, what we should do with them. It ' s enough to get to know them because it really seems curious to you
a lot of times. It' s almost enough to meet them, because the person doesn' t know why he acts like that, he doesn' t know why he sometimes acts disproportionately. The author gives him that reaction.
It' s just that I' m expressed, or I have a lot of work, or it' s that kids, but they don' t really know why they react that way, because nothing when we touch a certain button or in certain circumstances, when the person knows that script, he knows the true origin, what shortcomings have generated that phrase or script that tells me
how I should feel in certain circumstances and how I should act. Once we know it very deeply when we do the origin, how it acts and what it does to us and what it enforces to us, what it forces us to comply or that they send us. All we need to do is disobey
him. In reality, once we disobey him why it is obeying him, because that script does not tell us good things for us or for our coexistence as a couple, but it is dictating a series of things that comes from affective deficiencies that are not currently being generated or that should not be generated at
the present time. Why? Because the effective deficiencies of children are generated because children can' t ask, they can' t sit in front of our dad with five years old and say dad how you' re spending time with me and even though you buy me a lot of material things, but don ' t sit with me, I don' t feel happy. This won ' t forget your five- year- old son. I' d like you to come with a ten o' clock manual sometimes, but you won ' t tell us. What happens that when we are small it is not
more difficult to claim those deficiencies. We do it with different or destructive behaviors. When we are adults, we can fight those shortcomings and we can claim them, look for them or cover them properly. Therefore, if we know our script and disobey it, we can get to genuinely, freely and healthyly seek to cover those affective deficiencies that we have had and our post on our things can become the person who helps us to fill those gaps. Not that
husband of those things become either a dad or a mom. We' re not talking about this. We are talking about covering up these affective deficiencies and giving them in our lives. Okay. Then knowing that script, knowing the origin, what shortcomings caused it, how it acts, what orders me to do and disobey that my order makes conflicts disappear Let' s imagine that both one and the other, in this situation that is explained, know those life
scripts that have and know the script of the other. So, when the husband or wife comes in and he says," Hey, you' re not listening to me," there' s a claim. The other can answer is that I' m making the food and stopping and saying okay is true. You want to say something. I want to take care of you, but I need to finish dinner, because I' m doing it for you, too, because I care about you. You mind if you help me finish dinner or if I finish it and while we have dinner together,
you explain it to me. This way of acting seems too perfect to you, which seems too impossible to couple relationships. It' s neither that perfect nor that hard. It' s hard just because of those scripts about making the script to this woman or this man would be disobeying her life, he tells you to tell him your effort to agree. Therefore, knowing and seeing obeying those scripts will immensely help us to avoid such destructive conflict situations. Not
that we do not dispute in another such conflict situations. Having a conflict such as to mediate and gradually destroy clear couple relationships. More and so, all these things must be taken into account. You suggest that we also know the vision of our children, who have also suffered divorce with us, without any doubt, in a more than indirect, direct way, because they have an impact. Sure. There' s the thing. That' s very important
to keep in mind. This is what you say Julio, because our children live the pain of divorce directly every day of their lives, without being the main actors and without being able to do anything against or to cure that situation or to save that situation. Okay, so it' s one of the worst roles in a divorce situation. When we talk about the divorce situation, children suffer the most. It' s not just a phrase to a paradox,
it' s a reality. They are the ones who suffer the most because they are the ones who receive the most grief and the least can defend themselves from it. According to us, as adults, we can try to defend ourselves in some ways our children. No. For example, our way of defending ourselves with adults as adults is to use lawyers as dogs to bite each other. Okay, so this our kids can' t do. They have no one to advocate for them, and that is a conflict in them.
Therefore, it is the one who suffers the most, because I say that one of the things we need to do after a divorce is not only to know what my mistakes in the couple relationship we have said, to know by someone to help me be guided, to recognize the mistakes in that previous marriage, to know my life scripts, that is, apart from the mistakes I have made during that marriage, to know what scripts, what affective deficiencies
I have that make me act a certain way. We need to know our children' s vision why, because asking our guys what they think our relationship mistakes were, that is, what they think or what they saw in our relationship as a dad and as a mom, they thought this didn' t work, when they started to be afraid that we would split up. Because they' re big detectors, because they' re big detectors, because they ' re more kids than we are. Therefore, they are more influenced by
nonverbal language. They' re less anaesthetized. Therefore, children are much more perceptible, They have a greater ability to perceive nonverbal language and to intuit what is happening. All right, we, in the face of nonverbal language, often don' t care. We are able to send out a nonverbal message and say something else, that is, hypocrisy occurs largely in adults. They are in s chas to a lesser extent in children or in young people or
adolescents. That tells us what I am saying precisely, that we can send a nonverbal message, say with our body, our face, in our tone, one thing, but use a different phrase, for example, the typical phrase of my husband, of my wife when we say the self not if I am not angry, yes, yes, you are, because that tone and that speed with which you have made the phrase denotes an orval language that
indicates in shouting. But so, so it' s too late for your phrase to say, I' m not angry or I' m not angry. Now, remember, children are more perceptible. That does they can see before us or more intensely the first conflicts in the relationship of serious couple. So many times our children will be able to tell us clearly that our problem was the lack of control. It' s just that you' ve always
avoided Mom, because you always edit Dad. Our tendency to beat us is that when you suck you have told you something, has claimed you something, you just go locked in your room you lock yourself in front of the TV and you don' t listen or or ours you are always very demanding. You' ve always asked us a lot. Mom too You never told her she did things right, Or Dad you never told her they did things right, or when I did a scene, you never gave her the rancid stuff.
Our children see them because they live with us every day and see us in all colors. In fact, our children are the only ones who sincerely know part of who we are. That' s why one of the worst things in our children or one of the things that causes children to generate a
higher rate of rebound, rebellion, rejection, anger and dystruptive behaviors. It is our hypocrisy, it is our change, that is, we are in a way within the family, between the four walls of our house, and we are different when we are outside and act differently and say different things when we are outside with our children. You see this they generate recreational behaviors, because it' s like they were imprisoned in a place where the truth is
known and then everything seems perfect. Outside, then that feeling of inconclusiveness to our children does not crush them. Inside, so our kids are great informants. About that remembering that the question we' re going to ask our children is not what is pre I should have done well what was your father' s and your mother' s responsibility. No, we' re not talking about this, why they put them in a tacture that doesn' t touch
them. We make them judge something that will just make them useful, make them feel pain and burden. But we' re talking about this. We ' re talking about being able to ask them what. You think Malio thinks there are things Dad could have made extinct, which is that there are things
Mom could have done differently. And we will always ask our children about ourselves and never about the other couple, never in any way, because, in reality, the goal of what we are talking about today is me knowing my own mistakes, my scripts, my faults not to repeat me in my future marriage, the same mistakes. Okay. Never ever. We can never use our children to provoke or seek to speak ill of the other figure, which is not us. Sure, never. That shouldn' t be in our
evidence. In fact, by desation, this is what we do most and we rarely wonder about Kikepsquice Mario. It' s a matter of sincerity It ' s a matter of little maturity. If that is done so much, and finally, you point out to us it is indispensable to know the mistakes that the person with whom we are trying to start again, yes, it is indispensable. Julio we need when we start a new couple relationship. Sometimes when someone has come from a divorce, it explains the whole divorce, but
from the perspective we said before I remember you. Many times we are afraid to tell our failures and tell our hardships, tell our weaknesses, tell our mistakes to someone we want to conquer. Precisely because that is the conflict, trying to conquer without telling the truth will not work we will make the same
mistakes in the future. So one of the things that I always recommend and that I think is indispensable is that when we are going to start a new couple relationship with another person in order to be able to marry and maintain a
relationship that reaches old age be together and walk together. We must be able to sit down and explain to the person what our divorce was, what our mistakes were in that divorce, what we are doing to solve those mistakes of our divorce, that is, we have understood what we should stop doing, what we have understood, what we should do and how we practice it. Show them what our life script is for this new couple. To be able
to explain to them looks a million lives. My honest shortcomings. I' m trying to disobey this every time I see myself in these circumstances act like this and I have to disobey it. Once we have undressed with this depth in front of person. We need the other person also to undress dulantly our emotionally mentally instigating accordingly, for look. My divorce was because of these causes. I was responsible for this. I was wrong about this other one and
I think my lilons of lives are these. Yes, in a new couple relationship, the other person I' m going to make a pact with again to give me a new chance to live with that person I don' t even know why their divorce or why. It' s always based on how bad the other one did and tells us I did bad things, but it
never tells us what we can stop. We can stop, because the first thing that will happen is that this person will repeat with us the same mistakes that he repeated with the previous couple, and that condemns us to repeat a divorce, because for that reason he divorced. So what we need to know more. I just came from a divorce and I have so many kids and this happened to me. If I don' t come from a divorce.
This was the circumstance, this is what came to us in the end to make the decision to divorce us. But my mistakes, what I think I did wrong was this and this and this and this. When the person is
not able to describe us we have to stop. And then, if I recommend, always set up a mediator' s counselor to help us find out what were the mistakes of the one and the mistakes of the other in order to start a relationship with true transparency, as if we started it truly from zero, as if the previous baggage did not put sticks on the wheels, but vice versa if it lived to avoid certain errors or specific conflicts of agreement, something important also to take into account. It' s no use I
didn' t give him enough time. This is a very nice phrase, which looks very good as a phase of responsibility, but it does not really tell us what was going on. We need clear examples, what do you mean you spent enough time, what you' ve tried or what you'
re trying to do now. For this to happen again. We need to talk about these things very clearly and normally when we come we have come from a divorce and we find someone we fill with so much hope and so much illusion to start over that these things we do not talk about, express or explain. Then yes. That is why statistics show that there is much more vulnerability to re- divorcing if one has already lived. Of course it' s true, well, the truth that is a note is very timely.
Sure, surely they contain us or someone directly in particular, or some of our friends or friends who listen to us weekly or to family that we are in the environment, and we are always concerned about how to help those under this circumstance that we must know to start again after a divorce. Well, dear Judith, as always, thank you very much, this gives much more
of itself and we will continue to talk about it. We will continue to speak plainly, of course, I' m the couple' s always a field so intense and so interesting and so important because that' s what' s based on our society. In the end, in a family nucleus that has begun or flourished, it has begun to be born in a couple, so it is indispensable. I think it' s wonderful to be able to
spend time with them. Of course, if I send you a very affectionate hug, thank you Judith, also a hug you travel on the train of life the evangelical churches a place of peace and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You' ll be very welcome.