EL TREN DE LA VIDA 18-04-24

Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world, a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.

This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us free come Te, I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life.

Well, well, very good morning, Spain, bon day, friends and friends, we are already traveling on this train in no untiring thirty- two years, week after week, a magaxin of more than three hours, accompanying so many friends to hundreds to thousands as they count and many guests who are with us day after day. Come with me this morning that we also have something very important to tell you. We' re going to travel together.

We' re going there on the train of life. Let me make this headline, which is precisely the headline of the publication of my new book, My second book, is a book based on experiences that have to do with this traveling train. They are also reflections of a pilgrim, of one of so many one who travels through life, in this case, a servant and who is counting life, is having sensations, impressions, observes some and

others. It makes good reflections, both spiritual and philosophical and also very everyday and very of us, ordinary citizens. Well, I' m telling you that this weekend, on the Amazon platform, you' ll be able to dispose of it and for all intents and purposes it' s already there on the platform, but this weekend it' ll be available for sale. The book of Julio Pérez, a servant traveling on the train of life, as

I advance them. I remember when we started this radio magaxin, the train of life, somewhat adventurous in the spring of the ninety- two, on the eve of the Olympic Games, the Olympic Games of Barcelona of the ninety - two that was in July an unforgettable year, the year of Spain. This was undoubtedly considered the year of Spain, both for the celebration of the Barcelona Games, the Olympic Games and the universal exhibition of Seville. And really

for all of us it was a year of great success. We never got a medalist. I think we got a ski medal at the Olympics, at the Winter Games with Fernández Ocheas and after decades Franco still lived. I remember he came in as a great hero for the Castilian, but we didn' t win anything. It was and that in those Olympics between twenty- two and twenty- three, medals, silver medals, bronze medals, gold medals

in the Spanish athletes. And also that year, in addition to the Year of Spain, the Universal Exhibition and the Olympic Games, was the year of the modernization of Spain. In many ways. The infrastructures of Spain were very advanced and especially Barcelona gained a citizen impulse as a city was updated in such an important city. True, those heights were still considered in terms of the train of life that we started in the spring a little bit on the eve

of the Olympic Games. At that point it was considered in the evangelical world that a radio program like the Train of Life in the ninety- two was too mundane a program. And why, because we interviewed people of all human

disciplines. We interviewed athletes, just a posteriori, some of the athletes who won medals, both Christians, some of them We had the opportunity to interview them international as some national and good, and we interviewed some believers, others did not, but we told us things about life and talked with journalists, writers, theologians, doctors, specialists, psychologists, good of everything, artists

from any artistic field. And it was considered that this was too mundane a program at the discretion of some, and that made me think that we had come quite late to dialogue with our generation in the different spheres of social life, because we were totally or almost totally decontextualized. The train of life. Humbly and without pretense, I realized that I was a precursor to a different

narrative in the evangelical media. Since then and in the last thirty- two years, I have been able to see with great joy the emergence of a new generation of Gospel communicators in the evangelical media, as I can tell you Juan Carlos Parra, Daniel Diez, Fernando Díaz, Lucho, Panduro Bueno and Daniel Va Luja, a servant among those who are in the media, who are journalists, journalists and many of them avant- garde, training journalists,

are academics and, in addition, social communicators. I mean, we' re not undercover here making an amateur. It can also be if it is given well, the art of communication, because it has the right. Look Luis del Olmo did not study at the university and has been the best journalist that Spain has had in recent years, the one who invented the radio talk

and, besides that Doctors Causes was named for his career. In addition, I had the pleasure of working with him, at least in the sphere of his influence in the late nineties on zero wave and good and enjoyed a man of tanintal, with that radio empathy he had and with that special gorge,

then. But, but in our realm a certain generation of communicators and others have risen and others that are there, that are maters, but that do very well as radio life intermature and others in locals, in different places. It means that we have advanced in the media with this whole new generation, which is a bolder and more contemporary generation. But I say again humbly I believe that the Train of Life was a precursor program of this new narrative in

the evangelical media. This has even been publicly stated by several of these journalists, publicly as the Ten of Life was a standard bearer of a new narrative, a new language, an approach to reality, to the present day.

The Ten of life wanted to be a kind of living parable, describing human landscapes and also open dialogues, with hundreds, hundreds and no longer exaggerating of guests who have been telling us things and cases of life, always with different nuances in many aspects, in others, well, as everyone tells it, because we are of the same pasta, the, the, the, the

human community. But there are unknown aspects and angles. That blind self of human spirituality well explained, without mysticisms and without unusual eccentricities, but just as the scripture, the word of God makes known and we have been able to do so and we continue to do so. Travelling on the train is an experience that I personally find very rewarding. I love to travel by train. I travel a lot in the birds, a lot Madrid, Barcelona and other

destinations as well, but much more Madrid Barcelona in the bird. Old often to different places in the country and I can find certain parallels with our journey through life in general. What you are there on the train in your thoughts, you are seeing the external landscapes, some because they are landscapes because of fields, countryside, through mountains, sunset is sunrise Sometimes you see some population than another. And with these trains so fast, actually then traveling is an

interesting thing. From our particular train of life, we see the outer world encircled, as I say with the landscape, also performing various tasks while traveling. In addition to gliding from time to time, if the trip is a bit long because we do not travel by train, we can also read, read or write. I read, for example, I buy one or two paper newspapers, because I read every day of four or five newspapers online to stay up to date, but I like to have the paper and when I

travel by train. I try to have newspapers write on our laptops. We can also talk on the phone. We can talk to other passengers occasionally inside that many people don' t want to talk, but some do and we talk about any inconsequential things. Some of them tell you things that are really just hot and how we can' t get close to the coffee shop to enjoy a good coffee or have an xpress sandwich if we feel like it.

Meanwhile, the train continues its course unstoppably until we reach our final destination. Where life is going. Yeah, it' s like a running train that

transports us to different places. Sometimes we also experience some rather disturbing journeys, even startling ones, some time and in the worst cases, as we lived a few years ago here in Spain, in Madrid, the eleven meters we celebrated the twenty years recently, the tragedy of trains, of trains of death, not certain trains that can lead us, in the worst case, to a fatal destination. Other trains of life also in many cases people have lost

both their compass and brakes. They have no brakes, no control of themselves, and they travel aimlessly exposed to total disaster from moment to moment. But if the real train of life is the one we take, it leads us to a certain and safe destination, it is the train of life. The great engineer who runs this train, the traveling train is the same. Lord Jesus Christ, our great Timonel, not of the ship, but of the

train that leads us in life. And it' s true, it seems like a parable and it is, but it' s true and for that very reason I wanted to publish this collection of public reflections. It' s fifty reflections with five seasons. Actually there are six, because the season ends at the sixth station and then a final epilogue. I also have the honour of being prologued by the Director General of Aeropago Protestant, Don Pedro Tarquis, who has an exquisite verb and I thank him very much, because all the

words that dedicate me. Therefore, I wanted to publish this collection of reflections that I have titled traveling on the train of life, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny that we have already uploaded, already since the end of last week, but today is practically already climbing. Tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you will already be on the platform available in Amazón, available as an amazon for all of you. The economic price twelve euros so that it is

available to all. And it' s 180 pages, it' s fifty reflections in six sections of eight. Then there is an introduction that is an article and a very important final article, also that you will see and you know that I have a blog in digital Protestant that is also entitled the train of life. Well, everyone converges on the blog, the radio show that maybe associates my person with the train of life. Thirty- two years.

There' s na, it' s no small thing. And then this book, which expresses many things from life, from Christian life, from faith, from men, from women today, feelings, perceptions, interpretations, biblical and philosophical reflections, everyday questions and very soulful things that anyone can easily identify with me. Therefore, I want to invite you to enjoy this reading of my new book, traveling on the train of life, as well as of the Radio Magaxin, the train of life, this same and that of my

weekly blog, which is also called the train of life. He is always grateful to God for giving me this privilege of being able to enjoy on this journey at train pace with such good friends and companions of such a hopeful journey to an eternal destination, for look for any information beyond the Amazon platform and acquire it and thank him infinitely traveling on the train of life and enjoy it. I hope you enjoy it, because if you want to write me for

anything my email is Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. It' s Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life. Point is or can also write to the radio ministry waxad here in Onda Paz. Six hundred fifty- seven, nine hundred ninety- nine, two hundred thirty, six, five, seven, nine, nine, two three? Six hundred and fifty- seven, nine hundred and ninety- nine, two hundred and thirty It is the WAXAT that we also have for any audio comment what seems opportune and nothing

more and nothing less. Otherwise, I wish you a good trip. Friends, let' s go there today the train of life life life or, ladies and gentlemen, for this morning we will be well accompanied. First of all, we' ll be happy to talk to Daniel ozkand director of Protestant Digital and also, real journalist of the other race, and it' s a pleasure to talk about with another look of today. Some things are the

ones that everyone counts, but perhaps very sui generis observations. In some cases also talk about ours, what happens in the Protestant world, which ignores a lot, if they are things, some of them important to a large extent, because there will be the other look of the day with Daniel Ozcahan, director of Protestant Digital and in our second station we will be addressing Here will be our study. Gonzalo Soriano, who is the coordinator and promoter of all

missionary programs and productions of biblical society. He' s a tireless man. He' s a tireless man. We all know him and we love Gonzalo, but he' s a real ambassador and you' ll see the interview. Now he' s traveling, he' s in the other part of the world. He had to travel, but we recorded the interview and I

tell you one thing. It is very interesting this interview about everything that the world lives, from biblical society, its missionary projects and then how its publications work and the proposals it grants and offered by the Biblical Society of Spain, which are unknown, but are very interesting for the evangelical people. And for everyone who wants to adopt it as their own. Of course, it has opened up to everyone and will be with us here on the train of life

Gonzalo Soriano. Don' t miss it. And finally we have Dr Roca talking about what cse Lewis was saying, the pain problem. What we do with pain, how we get out when the pain is persistent, it' s chronic, when there are pain clinics today, but when that' s not enough, how we deal with it, how it lives, the one who suffers it, and how the family lives it. Well, then, the mad doctor knows with such a pastoral heart that he is also a pastor

and theologian, he is also but he is a great medical professional. It always brings us up to date with everything and with so much, to the point, because there we will be in the htel of life. Good music, very good company. Don' t miss it. Here we go. You can send your message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook, entering in three months double point the train of life, point is the train of life. Point is remember that in this way you collaborate with us. Tell us

your impressions, ask us and participate actively. We want to meet you. We want to meet you as we enter our website, three your double month point, the train of life. Together it is and follow us through Facebook or mirable, God majesty, your so equalable you are powerful, inscritable, kind amaze me your love for me I come to worship you? You? I come to adore you? You? I come to adore you? To you revenge my astonishment so my aga so, sir you are, dye of

every dorasion qua so, you do not want comparison of two. Gloria, we give glory to you you are my protector, my refuge, my father aba, your voice, is my shield, your presences home my treasures shadow your love for me. I come to adore you, do I come to adore you? I come to worship you? Lord to you amazements so mine, Oh, Lord you are, saying of all the beautiful doration, you have no comparison. We dare you, we give gora, for they hear

the sound of your people. We raised your doration. Asparating my future in your hands. I' m sure he' s about the early Sara. The Traffic and Road Safety Act has changed. We changed the rules because the way we moved has also changed. Therefore, now the deadline to recover the initial point jump is two years, without committing violations that involve the loss of points, new times, new rules, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the

Interior, Government of Spain. If you want to visit our website, the wwwww, the train of life, of life, ladies and gentlemen, we are already in the other look of today. It is good to see things under our critical eye of social chronicle and some political note of general interest.

We don' t get into the pragmatism of politics, because we' re not on the subject either, so we' re in the public square and obviously, we' re all interested in knowing what' s going on when you hear everything that' s going on here near in Europe, in the other part of the world, in the Middle East, especially that it'

s the hottest place on the planet lately. As for the war tension, it refers, because the truth that and then goes to don Putín there also making of his own, the Korean is not known where it will go and the Korean from the North. And then, in the meantime, the Chinese, warning carefully, step on the brake that I' m interested in maintaining economic control of the planet and I don' t want a nuclear winter. And if any of you go off the brakes, I will punish you myself.

That' s what China says from behind in good subliminal language. So they see that all these flows and refluxes of politics are very complex. But for this we have Daniel odcarn the director of Protestant Digital, also a man who is very up- to- date, pro journalist and we have him there to welcome him. Good morning, Daniel Hi, how are you, how are you, Julio? Nice to see you and listen to you, Daniel. The truth is it' s true, because we could say good

is the quietest thing. Well, at least these days. These do not come a week, but less than a week ago we were seeing or Iran ' s attack on Israeli territory. That' s why everything was somehow torn down by the iron dome Israel has. Well, with the help of the European allies and the United States, it was a demonstration, an expression of being careful, careful that you' re getting into a very dangerous terrain Iran.

I mean, what happens is that on this clear board, Israel attacked Jena Lebanon, because all these who were made and all these people who are, after all, are a litter of terrorists. But there were some of the Iranian generals too and they killed some of them. And this was the retaliation. Then how do you foreignize this very complex horizon. And in the Middle East and always the Middle East is the hottest place. Why. Yeah, yeah, well, it' s still a tremendously hot place, as

you were saying. It is now clear that everything that has happened in the last year and from what was the attack of 7 October spends ever since there in Israel, for it has made the situation much more tense. But of

course, the underlying conflict must never be forgotten. There is a fundamental conflict involving the very existence of Israel in that territory that there are indeed many countries, many Arab countries around it that do not tolerate it and among them, therefore, the one that has been the most belligerent has historically been Iran.

And, obviously, Iran has been funding and supporting both never and gisbolá groups that obviously have such connections, have funding not only from Iran, in fact, in the case of Never, because it is more linked to other groups

also Islamic. But there is a terrorist group, as it can be Islamic resistance there in Gaza, which is more linked to Iran And what we really see is that the consequences of the war are sometimes totally unpredictable, that is, it is very difficult when you start and when you attack and when you counterattack, know who will stop and how it will stop. So it'

s a tense situation. It is clear that I believe that on a general level, the condemnation that has been quite widespread of the attack by Iran I think comes a little with the idea that Israel does not overreact, that is, it is like support for Israel in this regard, even though lately many of those supports are weaker or not so notorious, because they generally do not agree with how it is operating in Gapa. But in this case there has

been general support for Israel' s defence in some Western countries. Now let ' s see what happens, because you really don' t want it. Or it gives me the impression that most international actors would not want to be fanned even more because this already internationalized conflict, which would make good more actors enter, because the more countries are involved, the more damage, the more collateral damage can be done, the more victims and the more you can totally

escape control when there really are powers with so much force. We are talking about Iran, which really is, which is a country that has an important military power. Obviously, Israel also has it, there is no doubt about that, and its allies, both on the one hand and on the other,

for it is clear that they could carry. Some are talking about how there might be the beginning of a Third World War, but I think that for it to happen there would have to be some position of some of the great actors betting hard on it. And I don' t think the U S wants, and I don' t think either in Russia right now they ' d want to be, because the actors that might come into conflict.

You were talking about China too that he' s not interested either. So I think that can still stop you from getting into a situation, let' s say it would be terrible and very difficult to go backwards. Of course, there has never been as much talk as in recent times, since the attack on Russia' s invasion of criminal Ukraine, of invading territory outside its own. Moreover, by military force of arms, it has never been made clear. The other has obviously been seriously involved. It' s more from

Europe. It rearms and Europe already has its military budgets, which it did not have until now. Well, all kinds of more sophisticated weapons, nuclear missile bases that already exist, but it' s going to expand, I mean, it' s going to create a European fort. And there has never been so much talk from this point of view and from the crises in the Middle East, Israel, Gaza, ever, Iran and all the others. Let' s say people who are in conflict. There has never been

so much talk about World War III. The word for World War III is being mentioned a lot, and it is true, on the other hand, that speaking of wars, because of Gaza. We all want it to be over, because it' s massacred against the population. Sure, look at

that. Israel has ended 19 battalions of the twenty- three battalions, battalions that it never has inside and that uses the civilian population as a human shield, of course, and people can' t say anything, because if they don' t go after them, the terrorists themselves, they never have to shut up and to and from everything. But in the meantime they' re dying like human shields. Nineteen battalions have destroyed Israel, and there are only

four remaining to destroy all of them. Yes, you mean, but, for example, it is that in this respect, of course, we have been talking about the victims in Gaza, because it is really tremendous. And it' s tremendous, it' s a crisis and disproportion. Disproportion in a sense of Israel' s action. But throughout this time, missiles have not stopped coming out of Gaza into Israel. It' s just that there ' s been practically no week in which there' s been no missile attack.

From what happens is that, of course, missiles are intercepted and then, from here we have the vision that it is an absolutely unequal war, because, certainly it is but of course they are not people who are with sticks and stones defending themselves or attacking you is that really, in addition to the capability they have with weapons, they have missiles. And it must also be remembered that they still have a hundred people kidnapped or more sweetened kidnapped there

who do not want to release them. That is, that, within the complexity that all this has and without agreeing at all with the strategy that has followed Jafu metal, that I believe is a really negative profile and a person who should no longer be in the position where he totally agrees, because of course, the situation is more complex than simply saying, because it cannot be.

Israel has to stop, and that' s it. These are the complexities that this circumstance has, this situation and that are not easy to resolve. It is very clear, because there is no one right now who says good, because the solution has to be this, or this is the solution.

For example, we have now seen the President of Spain, Pedro Sánchez, doing an international tour, for let' s say trying to talk about the solution as the creation of a good Palestinian State, It' s not a bad idea to recognize the Palestinian State, but they really don' t solve, that is, they don' t solve the underlying situation, that there are terrorist groups that don' t want Israel to be there and that they don' t want. Two States want to raze Israel and have it

as a principle, let' s say foundational. So, until that doesn ' t change, it' s going to be very difficult for you really to get to a stable peace situation, you can just sometimes lower the conflict or go up more. And now it is clear that we are in quite high degrees of intensity and danger. I believe that the President, our President, is making an erratic policy on this. It does not mean that the subject is what you say, the subject of the two- State proposal.

It would be when the others want to eradicate, let us say destroy Israel from the map, then what they do. We totally disagree with this carnage that Netanyahu is causing against the civilian population, regardless of military operations. This, this is intolerable and there is a protest to which we join against this inhuman act of the loss of so many lives in Engaza. This is intolerable, this is inhuman and there is nothing to justify it, let alone.

But of course, Israel, at the same time comes our President speaking of the sun, the moon and the stars. If you want to be a mediator in the conflict, which could be, because you may propose a table of dialogue, of eating But now talking about the two states is totally four and the cat has said yes. The rest of Europe says no, that things are going the other way. Yes, yes, they pretend that it

could come to that, but this is not the time for that. It means that, but there is also an allergy to Israel on the part of this very large government. Yes, yes, yes, well, it is clear that I believe that within the government, for example, even the position of Pedro Sánchez, who could be branded, because as equidistant, perhaps compared

to that of other European leaders. It must be realized that within the Government of Spain there have been ministers who from the very beginning were already talking about Gaza as a victim, even when they had just launched the attack. That is to say, there are elements there of support for Palestine, not so much for Palestine, but of support for Gaza ever, even if I don ' t know what I mean, but there have been links, there have

even been visits by people from never to Spain. It is in the history of news that have been received and have collaborated with people from the radical left here in Spain. So those links are undeniable and I really believe that it is a rather strong respite in terms of government management in this matter. However, I believe that Pedro Sánchez' s position is not too far from what

would be the position of any other government. I mean, I think that Spain' s position has traditionally been this and well, we should go a little deeper into why it is not a position. Let us say as far in favour of Israel as it can be in France, for example, that we are going to your government very clearly in favour of, or Germany,

well, historical motives or the United Kingdom. That is to say, there are countries where we say that support for Israel is much more notorious and here, in Spain, it is different and I think it has to do with historical reasons, but also, of course, with economic reasons that go not only have to do with a situation of now, but of years, and not so much with regard to Palestine, but also with regard to the Arab

countries. That is to say, we have to see the amount of investments and influence that there is from the Arab world in Spain, that sometimes we are not aware until they pass as news like today, that suddenly we learn that there is an Arab firm that wants to buy a great Spanish company and suddenly you realize that it is not that they want to buy that solo,

but that already they have. They already have three, four or five of the most important companies in Spain. So yes, yes, yes, it really makes you think natally yes because they want to open an opa of a billion euros. Be it and it means and the Government is studying well in

this regard. The government does, which works a little bit, has at least a forecast to intervene to some extent for those who do not happen that control all the gas energy of Spain, of production of Spain notice, that already control CEPSA, already control, that is, the oil, the oil already belongs to them. I don' t know how many people know it at best because, of course, starting a little bit in the eighties and buying a different shareholding and which one and in the end they ended up getting

all the control and gas, also the distributor. Now it would be a Turgi that is the one they lack, but really the good ability. We have also seen the attempt by the Government to bring in Arab telephone helpers, also with public investment. But of course I don' t know. I think that all of this really is also part of that board where sometimes we only see a part or we just don' t understand very well, and I think that the economic part plays a fundamental role in the way in which

governments end up behaving, especially when it comes to this turnover. We are talking about billions and companies that really good, are companies on which we depend absolutely all and depend not only the citizens, but all the industry and all the ability that Spain can have to go forward in the coming years. Then these are issues that should not escape us and we should at least know them.

If the colonization now in Europe is very powerful and in the two thousand and fifty, both by the population existing in Europe, which is very large, very large, will be the largest proportionally in Europe, but also by the economic colonization of these great economic trus, it means that, of course, they are and as if they were others, then I want to say that, of course, this is a remote control that commands in the countries above the governments. In the end not then well, I don' t

know. We have to have a vision for the future. Let us imagine that we would like to colonize the Arab countries, which we cannot, with our influence. We can' t even good, Dubaia is a total economic empire, but the Arab emirates. But the reality is this is a chess board. In short, I do not know what the next governments are like, because this government and it is happening to almost everyone to a greater or

lesser extent. But this one in a brutal way, as the public debt goes up a lot, of course, throws the house out the window, gives away everything and it doesn' t matter to those who come behind that manage and clear, in fact and we are indebted and those who buy the public debt China, the Arab countries and so many others, and then we are colonized again by them. It means that our independence as a country is narrowing down a lot. True, yes, yes, yes, of course,

and it is very difficult to recover. From what you said, there are, on the one hand, no economic commitments that are already firm through companies or through concessions that they too have. Even many of the industrial investments that are being made in Spain are no longer of their own investment, they are foreign countries that come and set up a company here. Now, for example, there was a plan for a big Chinese company that was going to

set up something in Cáceres. Sure, it' s really a good thing for the country, because it brings you industry for Spain, but of course it' s China industry. It' s China offshoring, so to speak. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, yeah, it' s active flame, but this is really the

situation. So, right now, let' s say that the ability that Spain, in a sense, can have to maneuver in many international affairs, I think it is very limited and well, is a role that perhaps there is no other left to assume it, because it also cuts ties and tries to isolate you and live isolated from the world, trying to make the battle

on your own, because it is not a solution either. Not perhaps a balance, a balance in which you obviously have some control, some ability, and the balance that is not dependent on one, but having several yes, because that way, at least you can try to maneuver a little better in case there is some kind of crisis. But, really, on a general

level we have to accept the situation we are in. But it is interesting to think a little bit about the future and a little about seeking stability for that future in which it may be important to regain some independence at the financial level, at the economic level of our economies. The important thing is not to lose autonomy in terms of ours and it is not hostility towards cultures to determine is not that other thing, well, and in domestic code, because

you see we are on the eve of two contests. We already see that word of electoral contest, which are very strong, because in the Basque Country, which was next Sunday, there is an electoral consultation. Bill du Va ahead and Bill du represents. What it represents is not that Bill looking clear, will Dus is a conglomerate of games. Not all Bildus matches are exetarras. No, but there is an important part that yes that by the way, well, it is also appreciated that and I think it was of Oxandian

rigor has asked forgiveness from the victims. But of course I don' t call terrorist the terrorist gang ETA is that these people, they go from that stick and then you can' t ask the elm for pears. But the truth is that the PNV seems to recede equally will not be able to govern billu either. But this situation creates a new scenario in the Basque Country that

we will see where truth can lead us. Yes, yes, it' s clear, because I don' t know when it was the last time that there was a government that could be leftist in a Basque country, but it could be possible, although the majority still point out that, even if the elections were won, BILDU would need to agree and perhaps not enough, then it points to that pact pnvpso as a possible government pact. Anyway, let' s see what happens, because it' s not clear at all.

I think the campaign has been pretty good at speaking level and all that

much calmer than you' ve been, being other campaigns lately good. It seemed to the Galician one in the sense that so there were not great outbursts or great stories, except that issue of ETA, which in the end ended up entering the campaign here at the last minute because of the declarations of the candidate of Bildu, but it seems that all the concerns have been very focused the situation of Euskadimos the policies there and in that sense, perhaps it is

an election that at the regional level can be of great importance, but at the national level perhaps not so much or at least does not end up unraveling too much of what the situation is at the national level. The thing is, well, they' re, as you say, two concatenated lessons. There' s this one, there' s the one from Catalonia. Two regions, of course, are very important at the level in Spain. What happens there, of course, that has just lieutenant or influence at national level

and we have to be aware of what happens. Let' s see anyway. Well, I think it' s nice to see that there are also other ways to do politics at regional level that at the moment seem to me to be much healthier than what we see many times at national level and sometimes

even in Madrid, which we are also seeing too much gresca. And I think it' s really in that sense, because it' s positive now what you said about Bill du I think they still have work ahead at Bildu level of their own in terms of that recognition of ETA terrorism, because it ' s still very mild, it always comes with the tailtail behind, whenever they recognize something is to say it good, but because or this kind of justification, I don' t think even Bill du Le ends up helping.

On the contrary, I believe that they end up hurting a party that is good at the level of the Basque Country, because it is already very established, but at the national level, because it still generates many reticences and, of course, of the Basque Country cannot live on its back to what happens in the rest of the country. Then I think it would be important for

them also to definitely leave behind everything that has to do with ETA. But of course, as long as within their ranks there are still certain people who were always linked to ETA, that is not going to be possible. Of course, this killing of almost zero people from this murderous mob who have sown in this is a very difficult thing to prosecute. The mourning is still continuing and society is still being generous to the Spanish democratic society with these sectors.

That is why there is this great distrust and whether those susceptibilities, obviously because of all this. But, for example, we have the Basque Country a scenario. They are the Country Boats and Catalonia, the two centers of independence vocation. He is an excessist separatist who has Spain and always because it happens there is that and we have a scenario a government that also blesses his soul to the devil for staying in power, as Sanchez is doing in Catalonia.

We now have the, of course, independence does not seem to have an absolute majority here in Catalonia. It can almost be a party fisti and a little bit clearer with all the constitutionalist forces that the Catalan Socialist Party is obviously. There are the common, the common and there is also the Popular Party, which is not also reluctant to give support to the socialist candidate Salvadoría.

But of course, if any, they interpret, they interpret that it would be a lesser evil so that there is not the sainete, this permanent referendum referendum, that that is impossible. It is also that, as has been achieved, what is different and we will see that Amnesty is probably lying down in a short time, but that still has others among children. But it is two thirds of the House. It' s impossible. There is no self- determination in any constitution of the world, there is no understanding,

and it is not impossible here either. You cannot say Socialist Party to make any compositions, because it is not possible here there are no tricks of texts to which you are accustomed. Therefore, we will also see how this Catalan scenario is. Yeah, man, there too. Of course, I don ' t have so much to say beyond joining your comment, I, as we say, am seeing, that there is as it was talked about quite

a repetition. As it returns, everything returns as it will return, but we want to go back to that, that is, it returns, puigemon returns the subject referendum, it returns to say those balances between independent constitutionalists, that is, it is really what it wants in society and what it does not want at all. I don' t think you want to go to that at all. So I think it' s a proposal that probably that

proposal towards the past seems to me not going to work. I mean, we don' t seem to be in a circumstance where that can win votes. So that' s a little what' s getting hold of too, of course, the PSOE, which is convinced to get a very good result

and even that it could get to rule. So let' s see what happens now if in the end what I say, because this is my opinion, but if in the end it ends up being, because Montt is going to mark politics again from Catalonia, in the government or without being in the government, because the truth that we will see again on the day of the marmot, of course we will see ourselves again to a repetition and to return

to court and to return to that politics does not advance. And I believe that all that to the detriment of the real interests of Catalonia, that it really would need to move on to some place and also be able to form some kind of government a little more stable that would allow it to develop.

Yeah, plus, that' s not gonna happen at all. I know, I see the intricacies and I observe and also, journalistically everything and that is not going to happen again first, because it would be the response of the State would be much more aggressive in a very decisive way and much would be cited to Spanish society in a brutal way and prison would already be ineternal. I mean, it means they won' t do that again at that level. Now the pressure. Of course, a PUC has been created instead

of a pandemonium, a PUC demonium. Yes, the Pandemonium of the Demonium puch has been created, because and care and he is using their faces and besides, he tells the truth, says what he thinks and says what he wants. He' s the one who' s the least fool of everyone and so and so and he gets it. Now he' s coming as a messianic. If I choose, I' ll come back, if I don' t disappear. So the osian syndrome. It' s not that all this, this is a zaidet, it' s the never- ending

story, but we' ll see what happens. There we have both the elections in the Basque Country and Catalonia, and there they are and look right now at the autonomous communities. With regard to the evangelicals, the Protestants, neither one government nor another have had more, let us say complacency with some issues here in Catalonia. It is true, with the Protestant world, but

good, because small things are small. Now when we had the possibility of having another regulation of enabling titles, not contestants, but grants for the stations that we are already. And one of the denials was that we did not meet, well to us and to most of the colleagues of secular stations, who have a lot of tradition and a lot of experience, is that we did not meet the conditions of third sector. And I say, after faces, we are the ten zero times those who gather the most conditions of our

social and humanitarian aid platforms, ten thousand times more. And then, so it' s a lie and in the end I' ve told the leaders

representatives of the current parties. I have to tell you in Catalan speaking obviously, I have to tell you that a lot to speak bla, bla, bla, bla, and at the time of truth nothing at all about that victimism that you say we have, that we have ten Catholic stations that are very professional and it is okay and we respect it commercial radio and not even a Protestant radio station, that we do not talk only about cultic issues, that we talk about life, that we talk about good practices, that we

talk about solidarity, that we talk about social mediation, that we talk about faith and earthly realities. I mean, in the end, nothing. You ' re welcome, and that happens in other communities as well. Of course, yes, let us still say that there is still, for those historical

discriminations against Protestants that are evident in this type of thing. You talk about licenses, as we can also talk, for example, about the subject of classes in schools and in the institutes of evangelical affliction, as in the validation of titles, as well, the historical claim of which we have been talking

lately, of compensation to retired pastors who could not contribute during Francoism. Anyway, there are a lot of aspects that we say are that they concern Protestants directly to evangelicals and that we really don' t see too much interest.

It is true that, for example, in recent years, the Basque Country has been a little more sensitive and, above all, in the last two years, we have been able to see progress in some aspects regarding protocols that could be signed between the Evangelical Council of the Basque Country and the Government of the Basque Country, cooperation agreements that have not been developed too much so far and have been given some impetus, perhaps without the development of all the positive

things that could be achieved. But there have been some interesting movements and in this case, because on the part of the current government in the Basque Country, the PNV. But there really is a lot left and I am also concerned about something that is there and that often goes unnoticed at the regional level,

because perhaps it is not the regional administration that has it. Something has to be said, but it is the subject of places of worship, which is a subject that continues to generate problems, and not only in Catalonia, where there are many difficulties, but also in the Basque Country. In recent years there has also been news of the difficulties in opening places of worship in some cities, which has more to do with the local administration, with the

municipalities. But obviously, all the administrations there could do their part to solve

and to help in these circumstances. And it is also one of these demands that is worth remembering and that every certain time, because we present as those things that the evangelicals really need to be able to develop And especially, when you see that, obviously, the Catholic Church in these aspects has no difficulty ever, then I wish that we could advance in that sense, in greater equality and sensitivity to the needs of a collective like the Protestant, who is

always there. It is a minority collective, but I believe that historically the authorities also recognize it as well as well as sometimes not publicly, but at the level of talking to them. And all this the positive evangelical presence in both communities. Yeah. That' s how he hears excellent interview that you do to Carolina Bueno in digital Protestant, the Executive Secretariat of Ferede, talking precisely about the pastors who couldn' t contribute all their retirement because it wasn

' t possible. And she says what she says. It is a question of not asking for alms, not of giving us a friend please, of doing justice, historical justice, when it is a good one Other governments have said yes we are going to try to find a solution to this Interregno that has been with him this issue, but no, no, no, and this government is supposed to be more left- wing because of the social question. Okay, but don' t get into the trap or the subject.

And very interesting also by Guillén Correa, Secretary General of the Conso Bayel, very interesting on this same subject. It' s really a pending issue. It is pending and we hope that at least the Government will say something. Sometimes there is such a sepulchral silence on the part of the authorities that you no longer know what else you should do that in the end cerebe already is that in each meeting you repeat it in each meeting that you have also because

we try to disseminate the topic at the media level within our possibilities. I would also like other radios and televisions and newspapers on a general level, because the great echo of this topic, in the end, is that it is a subject, as you said now, of memory and justice, and really are aspects that I believe most of the Spanish population, when they know the case, because that leads, understands and believes that it is necessary to make

this reparation. We are talking about people who are already very old, many of them and who were unable to contribute because they were not allowed to do so by the State in other similar circumstances over the last few years, because they have solved the necessary aspects for those who could not contribute, because they could have that pension. So it' s something that I don' t think anyone is doubting that it' s fair and that' s good,

because I wish we could see it that we could see that solution. I think it would be a very good thing. Ferede also, as you said, is asking for an act of redress, that is to say, that it is also publicly acknowledged that hearing was not done well. And I think that would also be important at the level of recognition of Protestants in our country, because because we are no longer talking about an intangible issue, we are

talking about people who really need justice if you look at it. In addition to the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in two thousand seventeen, the Supreme also confirmed that pastors should be adequately compensated. However, no solution has been seen since then, while pastors, like Pastor Apples, is that it is very emblematic of that case between many people are dying to be many very old and others who are, that is clear, even if in some

way, pass on to their families, something to a Histridian repair. Yes, of course, two thousand twelve, the European Court of Human Rights two thousand twelve. We are talking, that is, that fourteen years or twelve years have passed, forgiveness, twelve years have passed and the Supreme Court then, when Spain, because it reacts and tries to solve it and does not really solve it to the subject, the Supreme I believe it was in the

two thousand fifteen or two thousand sixteen. Okay, then. How many more years we really have to wait it is sad to be and I understand even the frustration that evangelical representatives can feel with this subject, to represent it over and over and over again for almost twenty years, said Carolina, well, twenty years now presenting this subject over and over again at every meeting they have with the different governments and without reaching a solution. I don' t really

get it, I can' t understand it well. There is no political will for what we have talked about before the concessions, the tenders, to which we were already contradictory, which they want us to go up to do the mike on a tree. There is no political will, simply and it is a comparative grievance with other religious social groups. It also means this and

other issues. Therefore, here we claim the right, democratic equity for pastors who have to be compensated because they could not justify their retirement because it was impossible for them at all to be denied as active and passive. So here is a demand from this place, from the train of life, also from digital Protestant, from all the current or angrity, all the means contribute protest,

We are all saying the same thing. Do us justice and repair this damage and compensate the pastors who have to receive that income that they are not receiving today. Well, this would be a question. And then, finally, say because we talk about human conflicts that are not few of those in our immediate environment, in domestic politics. You also haven' t talked about Koldo and the whole gang that has to somehow report to that commission to be

questioned that, by the way, Coldon is nowhere to be found. He ' s gone, they tell him, and he has to show up on Monday, but they can' t find him. But to see if he ' s caught us up is in theory, he can' t leave the country because he has the passport confiscated, that is, the withdrawal to the passport every fortnight has to show up to sign the court, so he must be where he is now. I don' t know about that anymore.

Now you' ve seen those who make fake identity charges, passports in a perfect way, with artificial intelligence, all this kind of stuff, and that you can' t identify the true of the false, the false of what there is, and well, let' s hope that it doesn' t come to that. But the truth is that, but evangelical Christians in Spanish Protestant stores, for example, Look at Catalonia, justice is not done to

us. We are a minority, according to the last census of the Genaritad, three hundred twenty- zero evangelical Protestants and we are not given justice. But, speaking of all of us in Spain, we are people of peace, we are people of good and that is why we also see and cry out against the war, that unjust war of Israel, against the Gazati population

and against others in any war. We' re hostile to that. We are the gospels, the gospel of peace, Our teacher is the prince of peace and we will always be and evangelical communities are communities of peace, of people of peace. So we say in Catalan are gene de pau we are not peace people. And then, well, in what way. That is why those who hear us in the city of Iran hear, because you go to the evangelical community, you will easily find people of good, people like

you and me, who are not from another planet. There are also people from other countries who, by the way, evangelical communities are receiving, but very well, very good, receiving immigration, also to make the necessary immersion to catch up and also humanitarian aid. But this thing that we' re peaceful people, I think it' s a speech that characterizes us truth.

Yes, I believe that in general we have always opted for positions that are peaceful or that can contribute to peace and coexistence, a little by tradition, but also, of course, by the same teaching that we receive from the Gospel, that is, Jesus himself said that blessed are the peacemakers and later, Paul says that God has entrusted us with the Ministry of Reconciliation. Then both teachings converge in an attitude to life that is not about seeking conflicts,

but about trying to resolve them. Why. Because conflict is one of the clear fruits of sin, one of the consequences of sin, of what the conflict that we have created with God and the conflict that we have within us ends up manifesting in conflict with nature, with the Projimo, and this we end up taking also to a general level when we enter into conflict with other nations, with other peoples, And really there we see that the worst of

human beings always comes out, that is, conflicts come out the worst of human beings. As agents of restoration and reconciliation in the world, Christians and evangelicals want to proclaim that there is another way of living, another way of doing things and that it is really worth trying to fight for a better world, not because we are better, but because it is what God can do in us. God can give you inner peace, he can reconcile your relationship

with himself. In your relationship also with yourself and God invites us to live a life in that sense of inner peace and outer peace, peace with ourselves and peace that we can share with others. And that is a little bit the essence of the message we proclaim. That is why I believe that, naturally, we tend to that as Christians, because it is really the essence

of Jesus’ message. That' s right, my friend. Well, there are a lot more things that we leave in the ink, friend Daniel, but, well, I think we' ve given a little review of some things that are in our surroundings. Listen, because this whole global village thing, this is that you find out what' s going on in the most remote part of the earth, not only in the planetary, atmospheric and catastrophic upheavals or turbulences, in the worst case scenario, but dramatic social policies.

The good news is few, but we also need to. That is why we too are messengers of good news. We received good news, the Gospel of God, and that is the good news that man has to reconcile with God, because God loves us despite ourselves. And man has to reconcile with God before it is too late, because purgatory does not exist. Therefore, he here now and Jesus is waiting for him lives true yes, so that is what we always celebrate, for nothing more dear. Daniel sent you

a very affectionate hug and we went back to Julio forever. Well, Chao Chao, until the next black farewell Crin and the new life maigred yor raro to worship marked from eternity in you is my identity Christ Jesus your happy months, what great fas my hands but this fun wasfe I am happy in Christ,

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the wheel, zero nonsense. Leave your advice to avoid the next accident on your part. Point is you travel on the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen, very well found, welcome to this special we have today with our good friend Gonzalo Soriano, who is the promoter we all know of Biblical society in Spain. He' s the man who wears that flag. You know in the armies, the flagbearer is the one who carries the flag for the army to take position. And it' s very important. If the flagman

falls, the army falls down a little bit. But if the standard- bearer arrives and positions himself, then it is a sign that we are moving forward, that we are going well and that there is victory and that good,

for that is the biblical society. The biblical society of Spain is composed of looking at a very competent team with its Director General, Luis Fajardo, who is a man Mauda azi who is really in the script the editor of publications also Juan Triviño, we talked about I think he is one of the most experienced men in the world of Christian and secular publications, because he has a background of it And then, well, the whole team forms and conforms

to biblical society, in which I also have the honor of being part, among others, with my friend President ManuelÁlvarez, and so many who collaborate there as employees in the service of a missionary project. Look at the first missionary we have the best who is not mute. Hey, it' s the Bible. It' s the Bible. It is this holy book that this is the Bible of the Reformation that the Bible Society of Spain edited a million Bibles. It was not the motto that each Spanish home had at least

one Bible. And the truth is, well, we' re still doing that. But to talk about the projects of the Biblical Society of Spain and how to collaborate, because to hear this does not keep the air. It means we have to be very clear. We have that this week I was interviewing Reyes Gualda, who is the General Director of the Evangelic Hospital, what we have called the now Evangeli Hospital. But now we don' t snow

is new. But now it is the Evangelly hospital of the theodo of almost half a century, which was one of the first hospitals here of the city Condal and a work so emblematic, so testimonial, so important. But Bible society is the same as centerary, but in addition to being the promoter of the Bible in various ways, Bible education programs, the Bible itself, various versions and so on, etcetera, etcetera. Therefore, we need to collaborate, because it is a work of faith. It' s a mission of

faith. When you see dear Bible society sells a Bible at a popular price. Of course, in this bound that could now present the latest versions the two thousand twenty, which are in a precious faximil, of course, at a very popular price and others. But clear from there are the missionary projects that are free to those who do not have the Bible, countries, indigenous

communities and other parts and humanitarian projects that are also accompanied. It is not only preaching the faith, but giving wheat at some times, although there are other organizations for that too, because without further delay, I welcome my friend Gonzalo Soriano. Welcome home, well found. Thank you very much. And yes, because you' re a little bit from here, from there, from everywhere, from everywhere. Yes, yes, yes, from Madrid and

you are from Madrid. No, I' m not from Madrid. I live in Madrid fifty years ago, but I was born in a village in the province of Seville, ah Caramba, I am Sevillian. You look at yourself, the people of Osuna usura yes, city yes, yes, yes, and that brings me to Madrid because of the circumstances of the family times and I am still there in Madrid, yes, yes, yes. You ' ve had you married there you' ve had family, three children, yes, yes, wonderful and already a granddaughter yes. Yeah. Yeah.

We are entering the different phases of Grandfather' s facet and very well, very well, very happy with the new ones, the new trajectories that we are all adapting and trying to assimilate every stage of life that are sometimes not so easy good that in life it has landscapes of all colors. Yes, but take a look at why Gonzalo Soriano has been working in Bible society for many years. It is the visible face of Bible society of us when we

go anywhere. He is the one who represents, promotes and activates projects, as against us, some of them very important. And this also speaks of a path and a job well done that we all recognize. But you too in Madrid are in a church, I think you have a pastoral function as well. In addition, in other words, we also have the pastoral ministry shared in the church and in Madrid, in the struggle, and there we

continue to serve the lord in the different areas. And the fact that I am a pastoral team allows me to work as coordinator of the society throughout the

national territory. Sure. Of course, I live in Madrid, but sometimes they tell me that more in a vehicle, in a train itself, yes, yes, yes, that it is the city itself, because there is much that I would choose to do, of course, much territory to reach so that the word of God arrives, that the word runs, works, goes everywhere north, south, east and west and is glorified, as the apostle says. Not good, then, when it comes to reality, it

is Bible society. He' s had such brilliant moments. In addition, it is the flagship to the House of the Bible, it is the sociability of Spain. I mean, we have to feel myself, really, I ' ve always felt good, not as a member that a few years ago and I' m a member of the Board of Directors, but I' ve always felt an admiration for Bible society. For what it represents and for what it has done, what it is doing and what it could do also

with the help of all. It is a great responsibility and a burden for us. I believe that, as a biblical society, maintaining the reliability of a text like that of the word of God, and to that end, the backbone of all our work remains the translation of the scriptures, that the word of God is coming to the peoples in the language that it understands in the heart. Yes, it is. How some have told us is that God speaks my tongue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,

and that' s our job. Put in the scriptures, in the format and in the translation to which all people can reach and follow. It'

s very interesting me and we have to be part of it today. He is already retired, jubilant who is our dear José Luis Andaber, who has been the Director General for many years, and I want publicly to honor the work and I think we all recognize him, the great work of positioning the Bible in not only Spain, but even the world, that the promoter of translations that has removed heaven and earth looking for the best biblicalists and experts in

biblical texts, he himself, if involved, has traveled the half world, but in the whole half. And the truth is, he' s a man with inventiveness and creativity. To this day it is tremendous. We do not owe much to José Luis, Yes, because the fact of translation is not something that might seem easy or, as some understand, well this or

from one language to another are translated. No. The translation of the scriptures requires a rigorous team, a complete constant team of linguists, biblists, experts in the original languages, experts in the languages of reception many years, that is, translating the scriptures intervene between fifteen, twenty people, more than fifteen ten years. Yes, yes, it is a work that, we convinced in Catalan, very curious, very careful very has to have many exquisiteness for,

moreover, the biblical texts are not any old text eva. That is the great responsibility of the translation team that we are working with a text that is the word of God that will reach people and, as we have mentioned, recently with the encounter, with the scriptures of transforming the human being. That' s right, there are two last texts. The last ones We took a little more recent, two works that have been and are very relevant. It is the last most recent version, the revision of the Bible two

thousand twenty, which is a very important adaptation. The essence of Queen Valera ' s style is preserved, but there are certain language idioms and words that are updated a little. Some people are surprised to say good Jehovah, because Jehovah has taken away himself. The first name Jehovah generated the idea sociologically. How many millions of times have I had to say that we are not Jehovah

’ s Witnesses because of the clear theme. The name of Jehovah is a name of Jehovah, the consonants of Jehovah or he already sees in Hebrew not And it is not that he is. He' s here. It is very correct that for the Jews it was without a name. God was the unprovoked, but the name to describe a little to the figure of the almighty

God. Although God has many names in the Bible as well, but Jehovah and we have become unaccustomed with good, he will have become accustomed to the name and to me it is always for today’ s man the mentality of saying Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah. Then Lord God, the man of today, understands better. That' s totally true. The fact that texts which in this case are not translations are reviewed are revisions. It is the fact

that language advances in language in any language. Over the years and generations, it is moving forward, other types of words are used, expressions are used, and that is not the case with Reina Valera and other texts. Queen Valera has suffered, well the word. I have not suffered, but it has been enriched in the various revisions, because it has enriched today' s language. Queen Valera two thousand twenty is still a literature, a language of

the century of the Spanish. But of course, today there is no talk of the same thing that was spoken in one thousand nine hundred and sixty. It is that no one understands it, no one because there are expressions and words that are not understood, because they have stopped being used. Sure, and some of them are archaic. Or the old man and I set the

example of listening in a teenage conversation. Of course, as happened to me this past week, at the broadcast meeting, you might sit next to a group of teenagers of twelve fourteen and I had to get up saying I' m not hearing anything at all, because they use the expressions you say. I think they' re saying this, but that' s not it. Yes, yes, yes, indeed the language other codes and runs so fast that we, as a sociblical, have to go looking at that speed of

language so that the word of God remains relevant to these new generations. Then one of the works is to review the text of Reina Valera, our Queen Valera, which remains the text of the literature of the century of Spanish. The doubt, the simplification of the dynamic words, the dynamic simplification of the words, which is what is done in all the structures of ancient books, that without losing the essences and the essential interpretation, the fact the lists are

very pure for the most part. In fact, we always do and propose in our events, in this youth we have also done so. We give

a workshop on translation and teach to translate goes in quotation marks. But the idea of putting an original text, putting word for word from that text that does not make any sense, but just like putting it and making sense for it to be understood by different levels of language, since it is a group to translate that text or estode of exodus, so that one university student and the other group could understand it for a six- year- old child and

the text, text of the law very well if you kill or steal an ox at last is complex. They realized the kids were so complex. Then there has appeared a new adaptation, which is the basic Bible language. We have done a translation with a team that has cost you enough, because it is to move the original text that we have so that a person can understand it from six to eight years, to reduce the number of words in the language that have been about four zero, four zero and some words that have

been used and that you can understand. And the director of that translation used to call me boy, the new will has been released, but the old one is costing us. God and help and never better said clear, because

it is very complex. There are expressions that are complex, but I think it has already come out and is on sale this new translation, which is falling very well, because for new readers, only for children, but people who for the first time approach the text of the scriptures give it greater clarity and simplicity in terms, in context either the books of the old or the

new, and this new translation is being very, very effective. The Bible is the basic language that is for teenage children and good, and for people who have a low cultural profile, who have a language as very primary, they do very well. No and they don' t say any good, but this can be vistual. No, no, no, I have a copy and I read the Bible in basic language. I also mean, and I find it appetizing sometimes because it' s so understandable that you say caramba.

This is understood by anyone. It doesn' t deal with translations. When done, they don' t try to replace each other. This is a misconception. Translations do not go out or are not done to replace each other, but to reach the level of language of each region, of each person and biblical societies in Spain. We have translations that are directed at these different levels of language. From a higher language as a courageous queen or even

with many more words the word. The translation of the word uses about fifteen zero words more than Reina Valera, also directed by university students. Then we have God speak today which is a more common language, which uses fewer words, about twenty thousand And so we are doing translations, but they do not replace. I think it enriches and we don' t see ourselves left alone with a version or a translation of the scriptures. You have to read several,

because that enriches us. As you well say, understand some phrases, in laying down some concepts. That helps us, therefore, in the workshops we give of the seminars, always in the question which is the best, and our translation director is always given the same answers. The best is the one you read clearly, yes, yes, yes, certainly, the best is the one you do not practice. We also have the translation of the word the version. This has taken on a lot of boom, has been

exposed to several revisions and updates. It' s a Bible of the last few years. Work has been done, it has been revised and it is already a very successful text and very well adapted to contemporary language. In the Interfaith Bible. It has also been a reading that also the Editor of the Bible Society of Spain and that has a language also very popular, but also very well, very well translated. But the word, the word is a

very interesting version. It is also a higher level of language aimed at a university audience that has a greater diversity of words and expressions that enrich the text as well. No. Yes, quite that is our task, the first yes, then the other tasks come. Sure, well, all of these are some of the latest versions. More evidently, there is the classic of nineteen hundred and sixty, the Nona Valera, classic of the uncle and we

have the ability of the bear. If anyone wants to have who doesn' t, what a pro Protestant doesn' t have the bear bible in his house. Then the first edition, of the prime edition of the queen' s asidore, which we have the facsimiles available and then we have easy also of the one of one thousand six hundred two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, from the pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is also a previous one, a new testament of Francis of Faticas. It'

s a work of art. These people were at the time the avant- garde intellectuals. I counter- reform it very strongly, because part of some sectors of the nobility of the time and also of the sinturual intellectuals of the time began to embrace or approach the Protestant reform. And there, they aborted the Catholic Church. Abortion with a thousand strategies at the time, today, is another obvious thing. In the Catholic Church it has another physiognomy in that

good sense and one of the things we need. I said, the greatest missionary we have is the Bible. He is the missionary par excellence. Well, I got this one, but this is the reform one. But there are all of them. We haven' t brought the others I have. I in my little house could have brought the collection of bibles that I have

a real collection. But the Bible is the missionary and Bible society carries the Bible where many cannot access it because of economic conditions in many precarious countries. And for that is the project of a Bible to upload me and I believe

it is in our solidarity to make Bible society clear. If Bible society edits certain translations and certain things and promotes them and puts them on sale in that small margin that you have to reinvest it in missionary projects, it does not exist to enrich itself and it is not enriched and it is not non- profit submission and it does not go that way. Then all you get is

to reinvest it. But the most important background we have is that we are on the subject of a Bible a month because after doing the translation, we cannot stay there what the public society does. Now we must produce and deliver the Bible text to people in those formats that they can access. And you have to make paper bibles and you have to make bibles like our slogan so that people can access the price they can pay there. And that, then,

depends a lot. But I think we are the entity that makes bibles, we are not the only one, but the one that adjusts the price of output of a book of more than 1, 200 pages in a special Bible paper and that does not exceed four euros. This is, this is a bargain, is that that' s not just what society can do. We have to wobble our brains to find what is clear, because the trade margins only cover production costs, because what we want with us is for it

to spread and distribute as much as possible the scriptures. But not only do we stay there with the one- month Bible project that are those people and donors who for many are accompanying the month by month. With that small amount it makes it possible not only to subsidize the cost of departure, but also to make free donations for projects of the Church' s mission. We have to support the mission that the Church does. One of them is the work

with prisons. As you know there Ministry of Religious Assistance in prisons and for them we provide, within our means, all the material we can, free or subsidized. Why, because it' s the church and that mystery that

' s handing it over to the prisoner for free. That' s why he' s not going to buy it for you, of course, but you' re going to hand it over to the prisoner and we' re going to do it as they tell us, that' s the best way to get it to the prisoners, that is, the format, the font size, the type of paper, as you know, and it' s very repetitive, but it' s still the ultra fine fine paper bibles that

prisoners smoke. Then they ask for many Bibles, but already prison officials tell us hear no other Bible flames of these that already know what they were doing. Fovettes pass it off as drum, which is not the hard cardboard cover either, because that makes tools, that is, you have to think about

what format we give it. Then we are doing a free gospel behind bars, with a very nice special role, by the way, with testimonies of Spanish prisoners who have met the lord in prison and who give unscentable paper, so that the gift is so that they have it in their boy or as they say, and they can read it calmly, with a more legible letter, etcetera, etcetera. And so, we' re making materials for free

or if we can make them free for hospitals. Yes, I mean, there are prisons, hospitals and urban tribes that call it urban and then there ' s the transit operation uy those of a colossal magnitude. That we go further, but I want to say that these are some of the aspects of investment. Of course, all these are donations that are delivered free of charge accompanied, in addition to a bottle of water, to those who are worth

transit. Operation transit is to take advantage of the transit operation of the State that every summer, as you know, transit through our country thousands and billions of vehicles that go from the countries of residence of northern Europe to their country of origin, in North Africa and in the Spanish and French ports. Right now we' re in a lot of ports waiting to take the ferret.

We gave them a free package of scriptures in their language and, in some cases bilingual, in Spanish Arabic, French Arabic to families and we have already delivered more than sixteen million scriptures to the ports. How we do it. First, with the donations of one Bible a month we produce the new wills in their language, also designed in a form and style that an Arab culture will not reject, which is another issue that sometimes volunteers have to tell you,

because Arab and Muslim culture has a great respect for the book. Then the book is very sacred and ours that we give over the Bible, the Koran, is a book to which you have great respect. That' s why we tell our volunteer Look, if you go with your Bible, don ' t take it anyway, don' t see that the twist goes or that the painter rules, because for them that' s discrediting what we give it. Not then do we work with the volunteers to make it a very

effective delivery according to the culture we are going to. And, on the other hand, after producing that, what we seek are volunteers during the month of July and August, who want to come with us to have a missionary experience, with another culture, without leaving your country. This is a wish. That possibility is open. That' s already open. You must enter the website of the Bible society Slow Org, missionary projects, transit operation.

There are the dates, there are the costs of the stay. We do so in small groups, small groups of ten twelve people, because there are also many volunteers coming from the United States, Australia, South Africa, Lebanon, Egypt. Of course, these people who live in Europe, the Muslims who come in Europe, speak English and French perfectly and in Spanish nostro.

We have to speak in Spanish, that we have many and those volunteers gather them in the ports, in schedules where the ferries enter and leave and in those waits we deliver the material. So we' ve reduced, well reduced. We' ve put Thursday through Monday, weekends, which is when there ' s more movement. And if in any group you want to go, the youth groups of a church, get in touch with us and it will

be an unforgettable one. It' s an evangelistic campaign. In addition, kind serennos and stridence, but very intentional, what is operation, transit, the distribution of scriptures with a bottle of water, and that what awaits us is the experience of the spiritual struggle, that struggle that Paul tells us. We have no fight against flesh and blood. That' s where you live with that one. You live there on the front line, of course, look, how interesting your first line is, because it looks like it'

s easy. Well, I' m gonna give you a package. I just have to learn three sentences in your language to deliver it. Yes, yes, but when they are there, when you are in front of so many people, of that condition, of that culture, the enemy tail the evil, salan or some phrases that are to paint God bless you and such

hear, then for all that. Well, in so many chapters we have talked about prisons that there is a huge investment in hospital pastoral care, with hospital agents in different parts of the country, the transit operation project and there are others. Then, too, sending to countries in precarious conditions that cannot be found in Cuba, Venezuela, and there are countless countries in Nicaragua, where Bibles are being sent free of charge to access the population. So Uban

Uban is a Bible a month Uban. That is how we can proactively collaborate with this missionary who is the Bible, take her to so many places in need with the Uban project, because Uban, entering the partner website applies or there explains how it is a monthly fee, a minimum of five to ten euros that each person monthly. That is why a Bible a month gives us and we transform it into Bibles and new wills. And then, at the

end of the year, we' ll see. As you have already said, we have given free scriptures to Bible societies that have been left by the crisis and pandemic badly damaged economically and have sent them free Bibles to help those populations to have scriptures. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico and now Cuba have opened their hands a little bit. So it' s been almost a million bibles. Look, notice in a short time, a little, two years, in two years. It' s a lot, but very colossal.

But that' s why a Bible a month Uban is a Bible to the Month and then we can make a coblation of between five and ten euros is within reach. If one says well, I work with that they are very worthy, with passion a solidiamente worvisión or with other solidarity initiatives, the youth of life, who humanitarian organizations of first level or rowing, whoever it is

is formidable. That' s a very important chapter. But in our ram it is also the life that, by the way, in sociability also assumes some projects as well as wells in some places and humanitarian very punctual, in extreme situations, but our priority mission is to carry the bread of life. Then, one Bible a month helps us a lot. That is to make us aware and to collaborate in missionary action, not only of the Biblical society,

but of the Bible. That helps and contributes to the fact that in the Bible it was considered named to see if my memory does not fail me as by the UN, as the other humanitarian aid. This UN certification makes it possible for Bible societies around the world to be present in refugee camps, in war conflicts, in the natural disasters that occur and that leave people in their refugee camps. It allows entry so that scriptures can be distributed in these

situations, the refugee camps. It has to be thought coldly that humanitarian aid to the doctor and food passes in the morning at 11: 30 and it is all settled in the sense that I already have today' s food and the doctor has passed. Now what do I do all day? What do I do with my kids all day? What I do with my young people all day. It is that the refugee camp is very dramatic, not only because they are in that situation, but also because the day is very long.

Of course, then, Bible societies in those countries, with which they are closest, send their volunteers with scriptures and work with children, with young people. Feel to read, feel to play, and feel to bring the tremendous scriptures to you. That' s why it' s very important to collaborate. To do so, I use a Bible a month. Collaborate with Bible society, please, because it is the bread of life. And besides,

it' s an insignificant thing. Five euros, ten euros that is within reach of an immense majority in Europe, more Spanish than those in the precarious, extreme situation, No, but most people. We can collaborate with at least ten euros, the one that can do more, very well, because then it is a Bible. There are two bibles a month, three bibles, four or five bibles. Then enter the page of the Bible Society of Spain, Org Bible Society, and they automatically get a tab, a

tab inviting you to participate in the program of a further library projects. And this is the priority, the star of sociability to promote missionary action. But it has good, there are many projects. He also has the neuslatter that the letters I am going to receive and above all, those who enter into

this project have the letter. If you enter the page, in the end you can give your email and weekly we send news of what is happening very interesting, where are arriving the Bibles that we produce missionary services, to the churches, to the prisons, to the testimonies, and we also have there an audio material that we work with the Ministry of the Faith Comes by hearing

where they produce the Bible in dramatized audio. They are devices, devices that help put the new will dramatized in those places where people cannot read what prisons are like, such as hospitals, such as nursing homes, the residences of minors, unaccompanied. In many places, the word of God also comes in

audio to the ear. We have apparatuses and devices that help and facilitate listening to the dramatized New Testament and that project is underway and we have recorded the New Testament in different languages of the national territory so that in each place they also have in the scriptures, in their language and in audio, so that they can listen and spread it. And it' s also being very effective in Catalan, by the way, in Basque, well, in Galician there

were also a number of translations. Also now in Asturians you go to finished products. Well also the new translations of the word. And all that, that' s the chore that there' s a series of yes there' s everything. Now we' re going to record other languages in North Africa, because there are also populations who don' t have reading, that is, who don' t know how to read. There is much more anolphabetism within Morocco, Algeria and then we are recording in their own languages, also

in the New Testament. Yes, in the terilla, in the gevali, in the riff, in the berber, which are in all these languages. That' s interesting. Well, remember the Bible society of Spain rg there you can access and see all the programs in progress and how to also collaborate, besides praying that it is one now when listening to us you will tell because of course I have to last for the Bible study, because this, we wanted it to be a kind of showcase of the Year of Kika.

And no, no, no, this is a moving move, but at a thousand an hour in n n n n n NS, then there are projects as from end to end, which is a project recently in recent years, but which is having a tremendous impact. Tell us a little good. The extreme arises from our own research, which I did with teenagers and young people at the various national meetings, asking the children. Hey, you guys go with the Bible, you don' t use it, you don'

t understand it. There are not many things that we have to foresee as much as public society as churches. But I think of my church as well as my teenagers. Today few people move the book on paper. Most of us carry the electronic bible, we take the vibr to electronics, but the kids even more. And the other thing that called me the tank has all the versions of the Bible in the clear. I always say our app is ju version. Yeah, and if you haven' t been unloaded, you

know you won' t get into heaven. You' ll come to Peter and ask them You' ll let go of the juversion. Well, there they are, not only ours, there are all the translations and versions of other entities, of other parks, that they are all together and we have not closed the door to others, but that juversion has all and also has them in audio and video notice And based on that with the guys who also told me Mira, we do not talk about Jesus to our companions and our

companions do not know who Jesus is. And he tells me one. I was walking with a friend and he told me to listen to that building what it is. And the other stranger said because a man a church do not know at home, they tell them nothing about religion. Nor do we have a growing generation at school without the values and knowledge of Christendom, unlike us, who have been born into a varligious, Catholic, but religious culture. But now they don' t, now they don' t know, they

don' t know who Jesus is. They don' t know what Christianity is. Interestingly, this is not sociologically if they are doing studies and adolescents and young people do not know. There is the total Christianization of Europe in

the last thirty years. But galloping then, with these elements that we have thought of developing this project that we have called him from end to end, that is, from one end a person who knows nothing about Jesus, to present him to Jesus, to make him follow Jesus, accompanying him on a journey in four moments or in four ways that can awaken that interest in knowing Jesus. And we do it through one of the biographies of Jesus, Gospel Matthew, Mark Luke or John. And we have it in images, because,

of course, it' s a very visual generation. And the first thing we do is present Jesus in images. And we have alum of Project and there you can see on the website. It is a Smark Project, that is, it is a small projector, that very modern, that does not need cable, is charged with battery. He doesn' t need sound, because he brings his own speaker. You don' t need anything but to put it on a table and project it to a wall and you have

all the gospel Wow. And what today is the biblical text, It is not a script is not the chosent film although it is very similar, but it is they have made a gospel in images, recreated in the culture of Palestine, of that audiovisual. I saw what I saw and it' s fine. It doesn' t envy shows in another hour, but the great performers And it' s the biblical text, it' s the Bible text, the gospel explained as it is, but the dramatized one made in images.

So we' ve recommended having a group of people, young women. I always thought of it as teenagers. I' m going to introduce you to Jesus, because since he was born, when he was a child, when he was a public person who went to his death, of course, and his resurrection in six or seven and more steps, he can be presented and we do it with the Bible text in a place in John, in scenes of no more than three minutes, two minutes and a half three minutes,

which is what a teenager will endure. Of course and from there, the image gives many riches of dialogue and the person who is there dialogues, they talk, they ask, a dynamic is established among them very good. After what we do is take them to listen to it instead of seeing it. We heard it dramatized, that we also have a team, a party.

It is that we have mentioned before that you can hear it and then what I encourage you to read it, because the idea is to bring you to the word, to the text that opens the Bible and read it together, the power of the word, effectively and then live it in Community. Listen that extreme project is great and we have reports still in the churches of

ours and others that we are talking about. And it' s great because it' s contemporary, it' s practical, it' s more pedagogical for the youth mentality, because it simplifies it and, besides, it' s very functional and it' s a first- class evangelism tool. I mean, this is a free offer that makes sociability. But of course, when someone makes a free offer, the correspondence of a church or a group.

Please make a generous donation to Bible society. I always tell you that it is not free for although it is, obviously, because it is a very nice project and that it has jumped beyond the young, because there are churches that have already incorporated it into the small home groups where you invite perfect for groups. Yes, because the image tells you things, yes, yes, yes, things and the cost has moved. You just have to tell me what you' re doing. WOW. Some people tell me how.

Yeah, in a month we' re gonna call you to tell us how you started, what' s going on, how you' re implementing it. And we keep track of the almost eighty- two projects that are already in progress or extreme this project and then the biblical society, in addition to those that we have mentioned, above all, remember that there is one that is crashed the star that is the Uban project, is the project of recectation of fonts to invest it in all this, of scriptures, in scriptures.

Then let us actively collaborate now with God begging and with the deck giving and the deck in the benign sense of the word. It is donations to a missionary agency, such as the Biblical Society of Spain, which puts the word of God at the disposal of the people, of the people of various segments,

and then sociability also produces. He has many productions of also help, support, as well as Bibles and such truth has a lot of things we have to offer churches tools that help him to make the word of God visible where they are, such as biblical expositions. You can also see it there on the website. We have three four exhibitions offering it to the churches to make them visible. It' ll be here next week. Here comes San

Boy an exhibition we call Bible and culture. It is a Bible tour of what it tells us, what it is made up of, how the Bible has influenced Western culture, music, cinema, painting, sculpture, art, language, how the Bible is present in all those areas. And there are thirty- six digitized panels, beautiful, eye- catching, and besides, we put copies of Bibles, about two hundred copies with Bibles in languages of the five continents. And that' s where people end up. To say,

then, a Bible, a Bible potion. There is only one, not many, but it is an exhibition that enriches the congregation, that makes it visible in the cultural center or in the place where it is and can invite the neighborhood to what is important for us the word of God in all formats, there you can see it in many languages, in new formats, digital, etcetera, etcetera. There are other exhibitions that also support all that. In addition, we are offering Bible science seminars to churches that want to

acquire more capacity than we talked about at the beginning of proposed translations. We also have a channel on YouTube Bible society and have all the free seminars that emerged in the pandemic. In the pandemic we sit down and now what do we do the subject of the seminaries of the Bible sciences, that practically once or twice a month, twice before. This is very interesting of the highest

level. Yesterday' s was very good. It was him, because it ' s the project we' re starting from translation or putting the bible in people with neurouniversities. I' ve been listening to this subject. I didn ' t hear it coming, but I could compare it. But you can ' t see it because it' s there for free or that one.

The subject as we would think about, for example, autistics, people with Asperger and so many others are one, but they have a language difficulty and for them they are making texts with specialists, with associations that work with them, etc. The project has started which is going to be long and expensive, very expensive. Sure, sure, good, or look at the Bible

society of Spain. We are talking to Gonzalo Soriano, who is the man, the man orchestra, because he takes in dance the whole project of promoting biblical society. He is the man who explains everything to us in detail, who is present at events and, well, with all the human team that work. There, then, is our Director General, Luis Fajardo, all also the Director of Publications, Juan Triviño, a magnificent worker of one of

the most brilliant minds on editorial issues in the publishing world in general. And then, well, everything, a series of workers who are there at the work site so that this job gets where it has to go. Remember one Bible a month you can make a contribution project, a monthly duration per person, but also as a church, we can make a private one. You can make a ten- euro native. A church can make a native fifty

euros. It' s five bibles, well, it' s five icings It' s more than five bibles, but it' s a bigger project or twenty or thirty or fifty or one hundred euros. It is making the most important missionary of the evangelizing work, which is the Bible in this case, available to many and those who cannot easily obtain it with hospital prison projects, this operation transits people from different segments and then countries that are in maximum

economic precariousness and are sent to them free of charge. Obviously, that' s one of the objectives, because I think we' re going to leave it here, but we' ve given a very wide view. Well, it' s not bad and more than you can see on our Org Bible Society website and those who are thinking or not going to talk about selling. Yes, we also have bibles for sale and in our online shop is all

bible com very important. In all white you can find all the books in the market that I believe exist and, obviously, because you can request them there and will reach you home through any of the distributors that work with us as a Biblical partner. And then local churches can also enter and so I

think local churches that have bookstores have a special price. Of course, when you enter the whole Bible, there is an eyelash, I think it' s called that, it puts missionary editions, you go in there and there, you' re going to find new wills, missionary gospels. What that means is that they are economical, that they go by volume per box and, in addition, if there is a greater interest or a large volume of purchases, they can be customized. Yeah, that' s great. Besides,

they' re very well presented. Those go now the publishers, the printers already have very advanced machinery and right now you can make a personalized Bible of one at a time And if you want to give him a friend and you give him his name and his favorite text, or when he gets baptized or when he gets married, everything can be customized and there are some very

nice Bibles left. That' s good. How nice, Gonzalo Soriano, because the coordinator promoter of that of putting, of making visible and updating the programs and projects of biblical society. You can also contact him via the RG sociabilica page requesting, as he hears your presence, your information and will attend you very kindly. Thank you for being here on this traveling train, the

train of life that travels everywhere, travels everywhere. If we get to better means than the train to marte or to jupiter soon, already, thanks to Gonzalo and until the next enchanted, why I get tired of waiting, why I find it difficult to trust and if you always kept your hand and what it would serve to win this whole world be in the end I end up away from your side and all this that I have gained will lose its value. I' m not going anywhere. Not me or if you don'

t go with me, why not. The promise is not coming is that I will walk with you and you are all I want in that life and your presence is my promised land as a child. Everything that' s good comes from your hand, what I love most is always at your side. There is nothing outside of you that fills my heart an exasperated guard friend and do not leave me without because my treasure you have cherished the presence of my God. I' m not going anywhere, I' m not going if

you' re not going with me anymore, why so. The promise is not to get there is that I will walk with you if you are all I want in that life, to find in your braves, to be a dream refuge. I never want to get away from you and boil in your house that loves me and here I want to live by myself. I' m not going anywhere, I' m not giving you no peace with me. The thing is, I' m going to walk You' re all

I want in this figa. You are all that I loved in this Bible and your presence is my promised face Jesus, until he comes, until he lives closer today than ever before. We invite you to the second edition of this Interdenominational Congress aimed at the whole body of Christ in Spain and Europe, which will take place from 26 to 28 April in the Fira de Reus, Tarragona. With us will be the international speakers Mariano sen Igual, Benjamin Núñez

and Marcos Brunet All clear, wado well but pramado. For more information, you can enter our wwwwww. Until he comes point is either write to the six, one, six, eight, eight, one, five, seven, one, six hundred, sixteen, eight hundred eighty- one, five hundred seventy- one and consult prices and registration modalities. Do not miss the

opportunity to participate in this great call. Until he comes. Until he comes or goes pedarrodi, although your glory, based well and all eyes, will see the train of life an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at train pace. Ladies and gentlemen, we have arrived at the station where there is a direct line to Dr Rockel' s office. He' s there with his so- called doctor habitulation, the man' s family that helps us on many guidelines. It is not only the medical

facet, but the psychological and spiritual facet. Also in direct line with Dr Rocca. Here, on the train of life, let' s talk today about the problem of human pain. Cease, Luis has already talked about this problem. Pain is a universal and inevitable mystery that overwhelms and baffles the human

being in general. More or less anaesthetic formulas are often proposed, passive resignation to escapism or nullification of the will, but no case solves the questions that every man is asked, every man and every woman, what sense suffering has, how painful reality is harmonized with divine goodness. Sometimes one feels with and feels that God is nowhere or feels abandoned by God. Well, we' ll talk about this and what to do when the disease changes our life and

that of our family, how to deal with this. Let' s look for Dr Roca' s contest, support, and wisdom. This morning he wants the train of life hello. Dear, friend, Dr Roca, how about hello brought Julio Good- bye, Dr Roca, the good pain. Cese, Louis, the famous thinker who was close to being a literary Nobel in his time, Oxford professor, this man, this Irishman, who has written very interesting books. After being an agnostic, a retamed atheist, he

wrote the problem of pain. He says pain is like a loudspeaker from God. How' s that, how you eat that, well, look. Pain is something that accompanies the human being from birth. We are already born in our mothers, We are in the world with labor pains, the baby, although he cannot express it verbally, but we do know that he has

great suffering. Today, this is best known for all the technical advances regarding the secretion of dorfins substances similar to morphine that the see will segregate in your brain so that it is bearable that moment of pain also, unfortunately, many times at the end of life we see that pain is there also and especially when there are serious diseases that end the life of the patient And throughout life

has wanted Julio. You know there are very pleasant moments for others with a lot of pain and different kinds of pain, which says so many times God speaks to us. He does it through nature, he does it through his word, he does it through all his revelation and those voices we often silence. But God speaks louder when the pain appears. And from there you can say that pain is a loudspeaker for God. Not because sometimes God will put us up and use the pain to listen to him. It' s a

paradox. But I really recommend this book by Cese Luis the problem of pain, which is really a manifesto, because he tells it from his own experience of pain, when his own wife suffered from a cancer that was painful, painful in extreme and, moreover, relatively long, and this was a very great emotional pain. And from there, in his reaction against divinity, at some point, his deep, deep, deep reflection led him to a reunion

with God and he realized things that are really not easy to discover. Right. Yes, the truth is it' s a curious case, because it ' s not the most common thing in our experience. Quite the opposite. People often deny God in the face of a particular problem of this kind. And the question is why me, because now, because my wife, because my son and unfortunately, there is no sensible answer that we can give them.

Yes, but it is an admirable fact that this Louis, in that moment of pain, through an internal process, comes to conviction and also to the recognition of God. And well, because he to God did, he has left a lot of magnificent works and I remember in my days as a theology student the letters of the Devil to his nephews, which are very greasy pieces and very instructive. But focusing on the subject at hand. And it is surprising that someone, through pain, without a previous experience, opens the

door of faith. Rather it is often the opposite People often deny God. He usually denies God many times. This is terrible, but we live like this. Now, when we go into pain, it would be, then, the center of what we are dealing with, Dear July. We can classify pain in different ways. We will perceive it in acute situations, which

can be of greater or lesser intensity. We all know when we talk about what we' re talking about, he didn' t have a migraine, he didn' t have a headache, he didn' t have a pain in some limb, in a leg in his hand, who didn' t hit himself, who didn' t break a bone. And we know what a pain we call acute. Acute because it appears quickly and its duration is usually limited in the time taken care, that this acute does not mean that

it cannot be serious. Myocardial infarction is also an acute pain and can have

terrible consequences. But these acute pains, once they have passed, usually remain a memory, a vain memory, I would say to you, for example, surely if there are many, there are women who have given birth that are listening to us right now, they know the birth pains, but after the time and joy they have for having the creature has passed, the birth pains are not forgotten, but they are relegated to a corner of the memory. That' s a sharp pain that' s probably not going to leave

great aftereffects on a person' s behavior. However, when he is in pain, it is a prolonged, intense, inhuman, heartbreaking, unbearable pain, which often requires high- end, high- level medicines to make him bearable, to make him controllable. Place the doubt that will leave a mark on the human soul. One of the footprints is probably the humiliation of pride.

You know about human beings, we' re very proud. That is a widespread tendency and in the face of such situations of brokenness God can use that pain to bring about a change of attitude of the person and indeed so. Many times we see changes. There are no people who also live, as I would say, making use of those circumstances and become complaining, even as they exploit their privileged position within the family and even sometimes observe pyramidal behaviors

within the family. Based on this experience of pain, which is all centered and sometimes physical, it is sometimes neurotic. Sometimes it takes a lot to differentiate and many times, then, to do a detailed study of the patient to differentiate between the real pain of the body and neurotic pain or mental pain. Of course, there are many neurotic circles in a disease. Right. Yeah, let' s see, the human being is complex. We are not talking about an opening, a simple thing, a basic mechanism. We

are talking about the coronation, the culmination, the creation of God. We are the icing of the cake, to put it graphically. God created beings created the world, created things, created living headquarters, animal plants, but notice that the last of creation is man. Well, someone can take him away to say good is the woman, if she can do the wise best, no more perfect, because God somehow, he wanted it that way. But certainly there are people who live it from neurosis in July and there is

a lot of neurotic aspect, also certain diseases cared for. That doesn' t mean we don' t have to pay attention to him. On the contrary, because sometimes we see people who have them linden. Or they' ve gone to the family doctor and been branded neurotic, given an anxiolytic, decisive entity and really had a terrible, serious pathology, and it' s unfortunate that that happens. Let' s see, it happens. We are human, all of us, including doctors and many times, especially in the

current system is about saturation. I understand that these things can happen. I don' t justify them, but I can undertake them. And the truth is what to do when illness and especially painful changes our lives and, of course, also that of our family. True, how this is dealt with is difficult and especially when it is a pain. You know that pain can be a prolonged pain, but a disease that is not anticipated to result in

a fatal outcome. And this is what can be present there years and years and years with limitations, sometimes with deformities of the patient' s joints, with limitations on mobility, to the state of the soul that is going to be greatly affected in these patients. And then there' s the pain in extremis that ends up armal and that one already knows that that patient has the days numbered and in those cases the doctors. I think it' s a

good thing we do. It' s the potent painkillers to be patient with a quality of life. Sometimes ten days less than life means ten feet less pain. We are not in favor of profit, no one thinks this, but we are in favour of a human treatment of the patient and of pain. We have had cases in which the patient has been found unable to recover and then we have chosen prior consent, of course, and many times by request to express the patient will be given and good to keep the constancy until

God takes it, because the pain is something tremendous. In these cases and apart, it is a fruitless pain, because life is limited. Of course how important it is to at least arm yourself with this thought, this attitude. When I was remembering, when the Apostle Peter who speaks much of suffering in his first letter, by the way, and addresses those who suffer in the whole world because of faith in Christ, he says arm yourselves with this

same thought, speaking of the sufferings of Christ. Well, then we' ll see what it is. It could be a perfect moral for the believer who really finds a strength in this Not resignation, because resignation is a drowning despair, right. Yes, you see, resignation is a despair to very well diverse more today than to God. Thank you, science has come a long way. And the truth is that I have to tell you, dear Julio, that today, to God thank you, we do not have a

patient who lives a condition of pain of our society. In others, I do not say, but in our society, neither official medicine nor doctors allow people to live in extraordinary pain. You even know we have special units, specific and specialized in pain treatments. And let' s say, then, when you can no longer do anything else humanly to prolong or save the patient ' s life. And in this sense, because I consider that an attitude to pain is also very positive, because what can we do to deal with

pain, apart from seeking human help? I believe, Julio, that we have to seek human help? When we are not able to find a solution for ourselves, which is most of the time. But we also have to seek help from another nature, because otherwise discouragement can be catastrophic. Of course, spiritual help that is understood, divine help and some say good, but this, this, this, how it is eaten as clear, this might

not be a placebo much less. But when the disease, a chronic and also painful or tortuous disease and also for the family, it is very important to give some guidelines, as you are doing, so that we have the best possible attitude to the disease, which often helps us to overcome. I have seen people take a different attitude to illness and arm themselves with an inner strength. I would really tell you to superhumanize and deal with the matter in

an extraordinary way. It' s true. I am also a witness of patients who have been in a good state of health or who have gone to medical consultations due to banal pathology and who, well, patients who, even then, have had calasified like sensitive people, nervous people and at the time that they have appeared in a situation of these, in which one thinks to flee are patient before a situation of these limits, how they will respond.

And surprise, tremendous surprise. We have seen a change of attitude, an absolutely different paradigm, of behavior in those people who have drawn strength from weakness and who have found many of them in God, an extraordinary consolation and I am not talking about a resignation, as you said, but of true consolation of beveda support, because, in short, we are in this life of passage that Julius you already know, we do, we live, we are

a little lucky, we reproduce ourselves, but we all have an end. Yes, exactly, exactly, and that' s where Luis stood when he addressed his subjects, the problem of pain, which, by the way, is very striking, not that everything I strongly advise this book that he wrote it just before the problem with his wife, who died of cancer, because he married very much as a major. He married very old and was very

old and well, of course, he was immensely happy. She was a divorced woman she married and practically enjoyed very little of the marriage because she contracted this cancer. First they had to stretch a chest and then, at that

time, surgery was another more invasive thing. And then, evidently, the loss with the son, the boy to whom he and lands of gloom, which is a film that can still be found in the m that have passed it on Spanish television several times describes the history of that moment, of the history of Cese Luis, And it is very interesting for people because they will also find in this topic an experience with which to identify themselves does appear. It' s not a very long book. Julio I don' t remember

if it reaches 100 pages. I think it doesn' t even come in time, yes, I have it here, it has about 150 pages, because something else. I thought I remembered that it was less pages. Okay,

but I' m fifty. It is still a little long book, which can be read and it is a book of great benefit, recommended, especially recommended for everyone, of course, but especially that people who are hearing us and are in that situation of the parity of some physical and acute pain, be chronic, be emotional, be spiritual, I think it is a book that can help them a lot In this teacher of understanding. Yes, the pain of Jesus of Nazareth during his early earthly experience was truncated. Jesus

was a carpenter, he was the son of Joseph of Mary. His story, well, it' s an exceptional story. When he begins his public ministry already as a preacher and begins he leaves his carpentry, but suddenly, after three and a half years of public ministry, he is stopped by all the hostile forces that pursued him because he was who he was and because of the charisma he had. And then, but he, before being crucified,

was killed, he suffers a lot. He suffers a great deal in the Getsemani with the torture that inflicts him and, of course, the suffering of the cross is inexplicable. Right. If he doubts, although I believe that Lord Jesus is not only limited, of course there is also great physical suffering, but I believe that there is still a probably greater suffering which is the suffering of separation with his father, the situation of abandonment in which he feels

that moment and that he claims that situation. But physically, no doubt, only one has to contemplate the barbarity to which he was subjected. It' s something to experience. I' m not much of a person who visualizes scenes of violence because I personally feel damaged, they bother me. There are films that I never intended to see, not because you see that cruelty of the human being, that suffering that is freely inflicted on third parties. But

I think Net Gibson' s passion is very representative. Yes, breed the barbarities. Jesus had to seem really heartbreaking triary I break the soul to whom he beholds such barbarities and all that pain, he experienced and, besides notice,

he remained hung on the cross. It is estimated that for six hours, six hours of constant torture, until he died in his own drowning, in his own blood, because he was flooded inside of water, as the doctors say, so that he could breathe, without being able to pump the blood, by the wounds and by the brutal cardiorespiratory clairvoyance that ended his life.

Something terrible Julio, inexplicable, of course, the pain. That is why Louis, when speaking of the problem of pain, who speaks of divine omnipotence, divine goodness, human evil, the fall of man, human pain, and speaks a lot about pain, speaks about hell and what and about heaven and animal pain. By contrast, it is because he was a philosopher besides, he was a professor of literature and was a candidate for the Nobel Prize in Literature. He was an intellectual like the cup of a town.

In fact, this was what had taken him away from God until his friend Tolkin, the famous author of the Lord of the Rings, who was a fervent believer, came close to faith. And then this man, when he writes all this in the dilemma of human conflict, of suffering, of pains, of all kinds of pains and disappointments and of what the human being is. In his fall, he comes through the intricacies of philosophy and has as a light and reading of the Bible, which sheds a lot of light on

him. It comes to an encounter with God and where even in the midst of pain, it discovers the goodness of God and the omnipotence of God and is an authentic revelation. The truth is, it' s an extraordinary experience. The one that is Luis counts in this book and he does a detailed

study. Let' s also say all that suffering is. But look at what motive, that this is a curious thing and what, maybe it' s good to reflect on what motive he did this research apart, he did it from a person with a high capacity, with a high cultural level of knowledge, as he has shown, but he does it motivated by a personal problem. There' s a situation that leads to this situation not and you

know the food tastes better when we' re hungry. True, yes, yes, really when human beings realize their need for God and seek Him. Well, he always goes, I have no doubt. That' s right. God always comes to pass. God always comes to pass. But one must have that desire before life, before the circumstance, before the conflict, before the pain or sin of seeking God. And when we look for him, something wonderful happens. When we found him. That' s the truth. Yeah, that' s the truth. Well, I' m not

clear. If we find him, Julio. I think he meets us, he doesn' t find us. I think it' s a more accurate definition. He finds us in us. And because, really, because we arise the will, faith in the heart of man, God comes to pass. We all have our way to Damascus, we all fall off the horse. There is a final reality, already because this reflection gives much of itself the power of the Cross, the suffering of Jesus and his death definitely,

and let us no longer speak of his resurrection, which was portentous. But all that pain, that suffering, on the Cross. But on the Cross, because of that death, there is a fortress. Not only is there forgiveness of our sins, there is a liberation, there is a renewal of total life, but when we approach that cross, but when we are in an eventuality, in a contingency of life, the truth that the Cross, the person of Jesus, comforts us, the Holy Spirit encourages us. The

Cross of Christ is a sort of evaluation of you. Well, it' s been our experience in some fragments of our life. True in modest like this Julio has been loved, you know well, because no one is excenter of suffering and we have not had moments in our lives either, and God knows that who will wait for us in a future that will bring us to a future where we have experienced the pain, the great physical pain, the great emotional pain or the request of loved ones, you have loved loved one

another with the soul, also situations proper to the own life that has led us. And really there dear Julio, the painkiller or the antio depressive, serves little, because it is something experiential. Moreover, even I will tell you that for me I consider that when a person has a situation a point, as if the death of a loved one, there is no situation of mourning, of pain, of manifestation. That' s not normal. At

least it' s not normal. The experience of that person has a tremendous blocking of the person who does not experience a break in that situation there is a blocking I always when I think about these things. It' s a subject that, as a doctor, I' m passionate about. And you know that doctors, because one of those great goals is to relieve the pain

of our fellow men. But I am passionate when I read in the Gospel, that passage where Christ before the tomb of his friend, the soul of Lazarus and still being in the Lord of life, and even knowing that he will resurrect him and even knowing all that he knew that this wept before Lazarus ' tomb. The trait of humanity that I would say overflowing is also presented by him at that time of pain as he manifests that so human characteristic of

bursting into weeping at a loss. And this is positive, because it releases as well. This moves within the chest energies and frees us from more severe sufferings than I do, Julio. That' s right, dear, friend, the truth is that it is a broad subject that we could continue to address with other fringes and other important aspects, but we have to leave it here already knowing that we really have consolation, we have strength in God and we also have good resources that are also given to us, to know,

forming a support network through the family in cases so also help and strengthen the patient himself with important medical and psychological assistance and, of course, spiritual, this can help to take another attitude of the disease and before the crisis of the lasting disease, right, it is good that we do not hide our pain, not even emotional pain, but that we share it with family, with friends, with professionals, with pastors, with counselors. This is going

to ease us. But above all, above all, to share that pain, that situation with God, who is the great comforted. This is how we have proven it over and over again, and those of us who speak here can also testify. Dear friend, I send you a very affectionate hug and we will speak shortly as well, Dear friend, a very strong hug.

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