Hi everyone, I'm Paula, a friend and supporter of Holly and the Ed Up Learning and Development podcast. I am here to welcome you back to another fantastic episode of the show where we dive deep into the real talk of careers in L&D, minus the fluff. Today's episode is pulled straight from a live session that originally aired on LinkedIn. And let me tell you, this one hit home for so many of you exploring your next move in
learning and development. If you've ever said I want to break into L&D but I don't know where I fit, this is your episode. In this session, Holly unpacks the seven underrated and often overlooked roles in L&D that go way beyond just instructional designer. We're talking learning experience designer, L&D analyst, LMS administrator, learning consultant, training coordinator, e-learning developer, account manager.
You'll learn what these roles really involve, the tools and skills that matter most, and how to reverse engineer your next career step based on what you bring to the table. Plus, all attendees snagged a free download of the L&D Career Map. And good news, it's still available in the show notes if you missed it. Whether you're transitioning from education, nonprofit, or just feeling curious about the roles available in L&D, this one's for you. Let's get into it.
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I'm going to be doing these more regularly. So today we're going to talk about transitioning from teaching or any other spot in the LND industry into a role in learning and development and the LND career path. It's not just instructional design. So I think one of the common misconceptions, and I obviously talk about this a lot, is the fact that instructional design is like a good stepping stone for coming out of the classroom or coming out maybe of a corporate job or or something
like that. Instructional design is really one where there are a lot of transferable skills with instructional design. So I really want to get into today what those roles are and looking to make sure I went live. Only thing. Yeah, I did. So feel free to put your comments in the chat and I will take a look at those throughout. I'm going to be sharing some links as well.
So if you want to give me a thumbs up if you're here and say hi, hi everyone, kind of tell us where you're watching in from. I'd love to see that in the comments area. So let's let's get right into it because we got a lot to go over today. All right. So let me start by, I had this all set up very nicely, as you know, talking a little bit about the growth in the industry.
So by the year 2029, the education and government sector of L&D is expected to grow by about 6% and then the training and development specialist area part of L&D is expected to grow by a little bit, about 9%. So it's going, it's growing. I know everybody feels like the the market might be a little bit saturated right now with layoffs and things happening and some teachers coming out of the classroom to get into L&D. But I still see tons of job postings for people looking for
L&D type roles. So I wanted to kind of calm those anxieties with letting you know that the stats that are projected in the next three or four years, it's going to grow roughly about 7 to 9%. Our industry, we're going to be necessary. And you know, everybody's worried about AI. That's a conversation for another day, but we'll get to that later. So just keep this in the back of your mind as you're you're thinking about transitioning over.
So I talked about this more in the the previous episode or the previous live I did last week. One of the things I'll say is that that has now been dropped as an episode on my podcast at up Learning and development. So you can see that you can go out there, you can review it, you can add comments and tell me you know what you're what you're thinking about South. My own career journey is not linear. I talked a lot last week about how I started out as a high
school teacher. Then I left a classroom and went into learning and development. I also started teaching in higher education as soon as I stepped out of the K to 12 classroom, and I'm doing that since 2012. And then I spent the majority of my career, about a decade in higher education as an instructional technologist and designer. And that was, that was a lot of fun. I learned a lot in higher education and I think that's one of the reasons I have the role
that I have now. Then I transitioned over to Amazon Pharmacy as a corporate instructional designer, was there for about two years. And then most recently my current role is I'm a director of growth marketing and I
transitioned into Ed tech. So now I've completed the loop, I think of a lot of these own different LND rules and I am using tons of my skills as a growth marketer from instructional design, from being in corporate, from understanding higher education, you know, from developing different e-mail
campaigns and stuff. And then, you know, whatever my next adventure will be, I'm just very grateful for this path and that I'm able to share my experiences with you and also give you some of the tips and tricks that I wish I had along the way. So I'm not going to get too much back into my path. You can listen to that on the episode. All right, we're not here to talk about teaching and instructional design, but I do want to take a moment to go through what like how are they
similar? How are they different? So with teaching, really you are engaged with the same learners majority of the time. You know, you're with them for a whole school year, the 380 days mostly interacting in person, except when Covet happened, you know, we went virtual sometimes some things are hybrid now I hear at certain schools, but mostly inter, interacting in person.
Whereas instructional design, it's sync async, it's hybrid, it's high flex, it's virtual, it's online, it's, you know, there's a variety of different modalities that happen with those. You're guiding the learners throughout the school year, you're doing different lessons and units and the curriculum is typically planned for you. You just have to design your lessons around the required curriculum. Whereas instructional design and the K to 12 learners are the younger learner.
So that's pedagogy. And then you have adult learning through Andragoni. When you get into instructional designs, there's a lot of adult learners that you're dealing with and they like various modalities, various things, multimodal stuff, as do the younger students as well. But it's a little bit different as far as your engagement with
people like in your teams. K12 involves the administrators, whereas instructional design involves subject matter experts, stakeholders, You know, you have a supervisor, your team, or if your personal 1 is just you. So really there's a little bit of different, there's difference there in terms of the, the people that you're dealing with in the personalities and the different agendas. So in teaching you focus on grading, focus on lesson planning.
And then in instructional design, you're really project managing. You're planning different projects, you're developing them using ADDIE from start to finish. It's not linear all the time. And then as far as assessments are concerned in instructional design, it's not just a formative or summative, it's like a you need to change a behavior. So you're doing some different types of behavioral assessments along with evaluation of the course, which is like the
Kirkpatrick model. So there are there's some commonalities across them, but there are some different key differences as well. So people that I've worked with in the past have asked me like, if I'm a teacher, does that mean that I'm an instructional designer? And I'm always like, no, not yet, not yet. You have to be in the industry and experience it live and in person in the real world to be an instructional designer. But we're not here to talk about that.
All right? So as much as I love ID, I love learning and development too. And that's a vast field of different things. So I decided to do this webinar with you to give you some insights into different roles that kind of translate out of education that you could do that are LND that are LND related. But they're not, they're not instructional to sign. There's different things you can do. And I've done some of these roles. So how to, you know, like I'm
going to go over these 7 roles. I have some examples that I'm going to provide of these these different roles that you can, you can review in in the chat. And I just want you to be aware of what exists out there so that you don't think that there's only one place you can go. If you step out of the classroom, there's more than one place how to choose your lane.
You know how you're gonna like reverse engineer, have some exercises that you can do to kind of figure out where you want to go based on your passions, just strengths, what's happening in the market. And then of course, I have resources for you. I have tons of resources and I'll be sharing those throughout the the presentation. But please, this is interactive. I know I'm live on LinkedIn. I'm paying attention to the LinkedIn feed.
If you have a question, please, please, please, please put it into the chat. I'm happy to answer that. I just I want this to be very interactive. I see it as of right now, we have about 18 people. So please engage, put stuff in the comments. I'll come and I'll answer those questions live for you. All right. So one of the things that's happening with learning and development, especially in a post Kovat society is that we companies understand that they need these people on their teams.
They need e-learning developers, they need instructional designers, they need LMS administrators. You know, and one of the things that I think is happening with teaching is like so many other regulations that teachers have to go through, the constant adding of things that you need to do, the constant To Do List, it kind of it's traumatizing.
I'm not gonna lie. When you transition out of teaching, you're going to have a little bit of trauma that you're going to have to deal with, maybe some PTSD. And I'm not, I'm not saying that lately because of the things that you depending upon where you work and what you've had to deal with. So there are going to be some mental shifts and then that as well.
But one of the things educators and other people really bring to the table, I'm not just going to this is focused on educators, but I want you to know if you're working in a different area of L&D, this is for you too. You are great at storytelling as an instructor, you have empathy. You know how to facilitate things. You know how to build assessments, you know how to make things engaging. Lots of corporations and organizations may not have that.
You know, they're really focused on like the business goals, what's happening with the revenue, what's happening in the marketing space, or what's happening as far as like sales and stuff like that. But teachers have this ability to come in, simplify things, tell the story, you know, make it make it feeling like it's important, which it is. And the learning aspect of that just gets injected with this sense of like, this is something that needs to happen.
And this is something that people need. Like people need to feel supported. And this continuous shifting landscape, especially with things like AI coming down the line. I mean, it's here. I'm not gonna say it's coming down the line, It's here. So just thinking about those different things and, and how much you can offer as an instructor. Oh, no, it says the link to the events not working. Oh, I posted a new one.
Hold on one second. Let me make sure it's it's live on LinkedIn. People can hear me, right? Can you give me a thumbs up if you can hear me and everything's live. I'm seeing it, but I'm not sure I see people in here. All right, let me provide. Let me get that that link so people can come in. Let me invite. Make sure you can come in either to that when I do these lives. You can come either into the LinkedIn live or you can come into my room. Thanks, Ross. It's working for you.
OK, great. I thank you so much. I see all the OK. Great. OK, I'm just gonna keep going. Great, great. This will be released as a podcast episode too. So you're going to get you're going to get be able to go back and review what I've mentioned here. All right, let's jump into some of these roles. So for the first one I want to talk about that is very closely related to instructional design, but it's not necessarily
instructional design. It has a lot of components and some companies see this as some companies see this as you know, like there are instructional designers, are you learning developers and then there's learning experience designer, which is an LXD. So basically you are focused on from start to finish how people are starting their learning journey and how are they finished their learning journey.
And you have that instructional design aspect of helping develop, helping design things, helping get evaluations. You might do have conversations with some of this. You'll have conversations with some of the stakeholders or your work with the instructional designer who is maybe managing the project. You'll also be very in tune with the learners because you are so focused on their experience through this. And I do want to share a link to an LXD roll. This is one that was listed.
I'm going to put this in the chat on one LinkedIn. Get that there. And this is a learning experience designer role for Ring. So I want you to take these job descriptions and really use them as your research base for the different roles and kind of compare between what what an instructional designer does and what an LXD does. But also to why is this a great, great area for teachers to be in? Because as teachers, you are super focused on your learners.
You're focused on your students and what their experiences. So all the different things that you do from lesson planning, from differentiating instruction, making sure students have what they need in order to be successful. You know, you're like putting the knowledge in and then you can directly translate that to a role in LXD because you are going to have the experience with knowing what happens end to
end for things. So I think it's important that LXD is, is another great shift from teaching to LXD. So you can look for those roles out on the web at different companies and you'll see sometimes LXD's do a lot they do LXD and instructional design are very similar. And one of the other things I want to mention is that how these look in LXD. So like for teaching, you'll see this, I'm going to the bottom part here, I map some of these
things out. So lesson planning is journey mapping, like what is the experience of the learner going to be? And then differentiate instruction is going to be persona based learning. So you might have some personas throughout your learning experience that they're following along with. And this gives people different insights into what maybe a customer might experience depending on what company you're
working for. Differentiating instruction also to can include things like personalized learning and LXT. So designing, you know, designing and classroom like management stuff, all that stuff you do for classroom management, that's user testing, like figuring out what what's gonna work best for the user. So you might have to do some pilot things when it comes to LXT.
Just know that these, these rules do vary by just like instructional design, the, the responsibilities and the priorities of the role do vary by organization or institution. Typically we see LXD using the corporate world or you know, it may be in the government, but that is not something that I've, I've have not yet. And I'm not, I'm not saying that doesn't exist. I have not yet seen an LXD in higher education. I see instructional designers and I see instructional technologists.
So those are the the most common ones that I see in the education space, not necessarily an LXD. So things like, I do want to have a little disclaimer on this for tools and metrics and things to understand, especially when it comes to technology. People people often have the misconception that technology and knowing articulate, you know, Figma rise, all these things inside and out is going to get you the role.
While that's beneficial as you're doing the interview process to have proficiency in those roles, that's not necessarily just going to be the only thing that lands you the role. Technology, and this is my, this is my motto, always comes secondary to the person you are, the experience that you bring to the table. Like any good company is going to be able to give you the time and help you to upskill, you know, as far as the technologies that you use, because all companies use different
technologies. I didn't even list, I didn't even list all the tools here. There's a lot more that are, are used across like there's different LMS's. There's like I spring that can be used in of course, development. They also have an LMS. There's, you know, there's a whole bunch. There's, I could sit here for days and list all the different
tools. And then as far as metrics are concerned, this is where the shift a little bit is for teachers is understanding like KPI's and understanding business goals and understanding like what's happening. So as far as like the engagement rate, this is this is 1 I listed is what people are doing inside the course where they are engaging, maybe where they're getting held up. So you're going to have to get some metrics. From those areas so that you can continue to refine the
experience. So this first one, LXD is most like instructional design. They have a lot of overlap, but LXD has more of the human component, whereas instructional designers, we have that too. It's just more like we're focused on development and, and really designing something and we may work with an LXD to really make sure that that experience is good. So again, very similar. All right, let's go to the next role, e-learning developer. And this is one that again is very is very similar to
instructional design. I'm going to plug Tim Slade here because he talks a lot about e-learning development. And if you don't know Tim Slade, you really need to go out to LinkedIn and follow him and watch all his videos. He talks a lot about e-learning development, instructional design, all the different tools that are used within the
industry. So 100% go out there and follow Tim Slade. So as far as a teacher is concerned, where the e-learning development transferable skills come in is really in your creativity.
Like you understand Ed tech. I probably could ask people in the chat or if you want to put a thumbs up or a heart, whatever you want to use, if you've used an Ed tech, more than one Ed tech tool in the classroom, put a heart or a thumbs up and just let me know because your Ed tech experience really shows that you can translate Ed tech and to put it in a lesson to where the technology is really helping the learner. It's not necessarily distracting the learner.
So those lessons become very multimodal and rich. And I love the technologies. And I'll just say this that you'd know you're using them, but you don't know you're using them because the students feel the same way. So transferring over into e-learning development is really where you start. I see a lot of hearts and things. Great. If you want to in the chat, tell me some of your favorites so people can kind of, you know, see what everybody's using.
I'd love that too. So there's really, if you know, at teching, you put it inside of your module or excuse me, inside of your lessons before this translates over into interactive modules and simulations. So these are things that you're putting in that the learner is experiencing. I always relate. You know, I always think about when I'm designing A module or if I'm a designing a learning experience, I think about Disney World and I love Disney World.
I'm a Disney adult. I'll met that right away. What is the experience like for them? If you think about if you've ever been to Disney Roni, you've been on one of their rides or you're waiting in line, they have all these interactive experiences before you actually get to the big experience. So you can think about that analogous to instructional design where you have like all these things leading up and then there's like the big thing that's happening at the end. Is there an assessment?
Is there some sort of like test you have to do? Do you have to go through a simulation of some sort to prove that you can complete your role? And then when you're thinking about mapping out your skills, like the one to 1, you know, like I said, creating the engaging activities, troubleshooting the tech for students and maybe fellow teachers too, that completely translates. You are strictly working in the development phase.
You might have some influence over design and some other phases and you might be working with an instructional designer or an LXD, but you were like you are a techie. You know the insurance and outs of the tools like I spring that you were you were authoring, you were authoring things, you know, to say e-learning development isn't you know, what authoring tool do you use? So like storyline captivate I spring you also have a little bit of insight and data. That's the thing about LND roles.
There isn't a, there isn't a strict like this is where it starts and this is where it ends. Because I've seen e-learning developers who were also instructional designers and I see job postings that say e-learning developer and instructional designer and they put those two roles kind of together because they're thinking about in a similar fashion. So just know there's no start. There's no really end.
And you're not just when they list your job description, it's going to be something in the long the lines of like other duties as assigned, you might get into more of the instructional design aspect of of of e-learning development then you, you previously anticipated. So let me go back. I'm going to take a quick peek at the live and see what's going on there. Everybody can hear me. That's great interactive circle time, you know, like that is great for learners.
Like how can you turn that into an interactive multimodal experience online? Tara, That's that's awesome. Smart board. Dreambox Seesaw Lexia. Yep, all of these different things. So these also too, what's interesting is in my mind's going everywhere right now because I love talking about this stuff. So I'll, I'll calm down a little bit. But I've brought a lot of the Ed tech tools that I used in the classroom into like the corporate realm. Like I see corporate using like
cahoots and stuff. You know, I've always like leaned on some of those tools and I brought them into the corporate space. Oh, it looks like my video froze. Oh, let me fix that. Hmm. Well, you can still hear me. Oh, there I am. Just a little pause. So I've might use my experience with the Ed tech tools and brought that into like as suggestions for the corporate. Like if you want people to have fun and you want them to be engaged, you need to make sure that you're using different
technologies that that do that. So maybe as an e-learning developer, you can and you're coming out of the classroom, you can recommend some of those tools and maybe work with the team. So I'm back, I just saw on LinkedIn, I came back. So again, another great role to transition out of for, for a teacher going thinking about jumping into the LND industry. All right, next one LMS administrator. So as an instructional technologist, I one second I got to put in.
So I have a example of an e-learning developer role. And of course, I'm going to share all these notes when I release the episode. So I'm going to put that in the chat so that you can see an example of an e-learning development role. I definitely need a moderator for these sessions. So there's an example of an e-learning developer role. Now let's talk about LMS administrator. So an LMS, if you're not familiar, is a learning management system.
So think of in education, think of Canvas, think of Blackboard, think of bright space, the noodles of the world. In corporate, think of things like Cornerstone, talent, LMS, Decibo. Those are learning management systems. Those are used to house, you know, courses and content. And that's the experience that the learner logs into to go into the course and to complete any sort of required training. So I've been an LMS administrator, but I've also been an instructional
technologist. So sometimes this role sits by itself, depending on where you're at and corporate and education. Do you have various expectations when it comes to what an LMS administrator does? Oh, and you know, as far as teachers are concerned, if you know grade books and like you've pulled reports and your grade books for your students, you're going to need to pull reporting
for people. It might be a little bit more challenging and different types of reports than you would pull, say in the classroom if you're using a certain type of grade book, but that reporting is essential. I forgot to mention Google Classroom because I know a lot of K to 12 institutions use that as well. It's just not one that I I typically encounter when I am in my travels from higher education and a corporate in the Ed tech.
So just making sure that you know that the reports and things and data that you're pulling out of your grade book that can translate in this reporting and things you're doing in the LMS. So and admin really means you're the person like controlling the back end of things. You're not necessarily at the front, but you're controlling the back end also to providing any support for students or end user support. As an LMS administrator, you're going to be seen as the expert.
You're going to be seen as the person who knows how to do these things. And nowadays it's really easy to kind of get become an expert in those things because all of the different LMS is offer like help sites or knowledge bases to get you started. And then you can work with your your Rep from the company. They will walk you through and offer different types of trainings, but you want to be sure that you are able to answer the most common questions. And teachers do this stuff all the time.
So making sure that you are the technical expert, like I said, the one to one road map, you do the grade book stuff, setting up your course and then providing that Technical Support and the key tools here, like I said, there's Moodle, Cornerstone work day, knowing about SCORM, that's mostly for corporate user adoption, up time, data and analytics. And different institutions and organizations see these
differently. So an LMS administrator, you are just focused on the LMS and all the different things that your organization or institution might need to see as first data. For example, how many, how much up time do we have? Is it 100%? Is it 99? When do things go down? How do we manage that or mitigate that? How many students are currently users in the system? What are their various roles? How are they interacting with the different courses and maybe
some of the tools? So I really think that you as an instructor can definitely take on this role. And I am now going to put a link in the chat to an example of an LMS administrator role. Again, these vary widely depending upon what institution or organization you are going to. Let me just make sure this the OK. So this is not like set in stone. These jobs are all really flexible as far as how far they overlap with other things like instructional design or e-learning development.
You know, one of the things that we did an institution I worked out we had a primary LMS administration administrator, then I was a secondary. So I knew everything that the other person was. So sometimes again, you'll see this role combined with other roles. Oh, so when you said in the chat she used Google Classroom during Cova, but after that they transitioned to canvas, where I
teach, we currently use canvas. I know, I know canvas, bright space, D2L, Blackboard, like they've all been around for, for quite a while. So I'm glad to hear that people are using different things as they're, as they're in the classroom. I, I really feel this is beneficial to you when you're wanting to translate into or transition into a role into LND. All right, got a couple more roles to go through. Let's keep going and feel free.
Like I said, if you have questions, put them in the chat. If you have any statement, whatever, put in the chat, I'm checking it. And I love that we are talking about different things. And this is also a networking opportunity. So talk to people in the chat or connect with them on LinkedIn. All right, next role LND analysts. So it sounds exactly what it is. It's an analyst role that deals with data.
And I think that as instructors and educators in the classroom, we unintentionally deal with data. You know, maybe if there's like county or state scores things that come back from them or like as a school how you overall did. We don't necessarily pull the data, but we analyze the data that we are getting from our from our schools and from our
administrators. So one of the things that you do as an educator, you're able to take that data and what's happening and and tailor your teaching to that. So that directly transfers into a skill is where you are able to look at the data and then correlate it with a business goal. So if you have a KPI, say of your spoke, your pipeline says to be a certain amount, what's
the business goal there? When how much is your company looking to grow over the next one, five years, whatever that may be. So you can take that skill and you can translate that into an LND analyst role. So like I said, testing scores, talking to parents, and I know people set up their own data like within, within Google stuff and they, they track different metrics, formative assessment. So that that all translates into this LD role.
So if you're somebody that likes to, you know, look at those test scores, look at different charts, look at different graphs or do pivot tables and you're just a data nerd. I would say this is this is a great role for you because one of the things that you're responsible for is reporting this information to let's say this.
The higher ups, we're reporting it to different LND teams, explaining to them what might be happening within the E learnings that you're developing or the instructional design team and give them some insights into what's happening with the users. And most commonly used tools and metrics here, the Power BI, the Tableau, the Google data stuff, dashboards, heat maps, you name it, return on investment. It's it's all a part of this
particular role. So let me go ahead and share that role in the chat so that you can get a better understanding. So if you were data person, this is a role for you. If you're like teaching, like teaching, I love looking at all the data. I love seeing all the stuff, then this is 100% a role for you. All right, moving right along,
learning consultant. And I would say that this even has some freelance type feel to it, depending upon how you're doing it, because there are people who exist in corporations as a learning consultant, they're consultant within the organization, but there are people that come from the outside and we call those freelancers or consultants that come in and they make recommendations based on what
they're seeing internally. So basically you're coming in and you're like, this is where gaps exist and this is what the solution should be. One of the things I wrote here, it's not always training. If you read Kathy Moore's book Map it training is not always the answer. It might be something that as simple as a, as a job aid or you know, something where there's a one-on-one conversation happening between an end user and a supervisor.
It really does depend. So you come in as a lonely consultant, you look at the top level of things, you get down into the details and then you recommend like solutions that are going to stimulate things and going to make things better. And one of the reasons this is a great role for teachers is because you have to really, you get, you get, what is it? Oh gosh, what's it called? It's escaping me now.
You get, so the administrator comes into your classroom and they kind of review your lessons and they give you feedback on that. So you really have to analyze those conversations and then align that again with tailing your teaching. And that transfers over into business where like I said, I've been mentioning KPI's. What's your key performance indicators? I'm sorry, I forgot to say what that was.
So you really have to understand like how it's impacting what the business is doing as far as the learning consultant role goes. And one of the things you'll notice that in the key tools and metrics here, Addy is a part of that. Addy is a huge part of that. So you really, you really need to understand Addy. So as a consultant, you have to have some of those skills and knowledge of an instructional designer. HPT models, client interviews,
time to competency. This is something I definitely experienced inside the corporate space. NPS scores, how are we doing, how our customers think we're doing? How are things, how are we performing? Basically like what is their
opinion? And then again, the teacher like the the mapping, the one to one skills needs analysis, understanding your conversation, what's going well for your students, what's not talking to administrators, what needs to change like analyzing those conversations and maybe some of the data and then aligning it to any curriculum.
And another thing too, I know a lot of teachers who do professional development things outside of teaching, like not outside of maybe they do within the school or they do at the Board of Education, but you also train other people. So this is a great skill for a learning consultant that you can translate into and you can do your own thing.
You can do some freelancing stuff, make some, you know, money on the side and, and really help companies and organizations or your own school translate that. So here's an example of a learning consultant role. So this can be a variety of different things. You really have to be well-rounded instructional design LXD you learning, you have to have the knowledge of these things to perform well in this role. All right, next one training coordinator and program manager.
I am seeing this more and more and more out on the on L LND sites or organizations that are looking to hire people in LND. So if you're, if you're a coordinator or your program manager, you're basically you're taking like there's, there could
be multiple. For example, when I worked our pharmacy, we had multiple different programs running at one time, like for customer success for our pharmacist, you know the pharmacist and we had a whole bunch of different programs and you are responsible for them to keep running and want a budget. So that's where the little bit of the difference come in. You have to understand like what the budget is for it. Of course, that involves time to
competency for your saving time. That usually saves money. So this is a role where you do have to focus on, you know, every role you have to focus on the money, but this one specifically has that as a part of it. So why it's great for you as a teacher. If you look at the one to one road map, you know, you schedule field trips and then you schedule, you know, you schedule like everything as far as parent conferences and things are
going. The cohort scheduling that involves like when is this particular group is if it's new hires, when are they going through the training? And what does that, what does that time frame look like? Of course, communication emails, having again, those parent teacher conferences as a training and program manager going to be constantly communicating with your stakeholders and telling them where things at.
There might be a spreadsheet of some sort or a Smartsheet of some sort that you have to manage, and you might be using things like a sauna or cello to manage your different projects. And as far as like planning out your own course for the year, that's project management and that's timelines.
So if you're somebody that enjoys planning stuff out and managing the project start to finish and really being able to quickly solve problems as you meet them, maybe barriers and stuff, you, this is a great role for you. So again, I already mentioned some of the tools that are used here. Attendance rate, who's actually in completion rates, who's actually completing the program and if things are happening on timers there delays, how do you
mitigate those things? So again, this might be a role where there is involved some data definitely you're going to have to talk to the LND analyst about that. So as you can see these various roles they do have, they do have some overlap or you will have another person on your team that has a similar role. All right, so here's an example of a training and program coordinator role.
And again, for those listening to the podcast episode, I'm going to put all the links in the in the show notes to these so that you can go back and review these so that you can get a better understanding of what these actually are. The last one is a knowledge manager or content curator. And I'm also seeing some of this kind of bleed over into a
community manager too. So what I would say to you, this is where you were kind of managing the knowledge base or where people are going to find help information. So you want, if you're somebody who's good at sourcing crowdsourcing resources, I'm going to get content curator role. If you're somebody who's good at, like I said, crowdsourcing resources, this is a, this is a great job for you. This is something that
instructors do very well. When you need to plus and plan, you need to find the resources and the documentation or the links or whatever as far as what you, your learners need to do or need to have access to in order to succeed. But they also need to be able to understand what they have to do. So if they're engaging in some sort of Ed tech, what does that
technical stuff look like? So again, this is a great job or a role for XTX teachers because you do a lot of that curation already, you know, are you using like a certain Ed tech that maybe does it for you? I did a project with my, when I was teaching with my 9th graders and they had to do a full blown research paper. So one of the things I had to do is, and like this mentions here is I had to work with the library to curate resources to get them to understand how to
cite sources. And you know, of course, being able to design something like a knowledge base that makes sense, that's searchable. So some of the different tools here, you'll see Confluence, you'll see what other ones, it's a SharePoint. There's, there's a whole bunch of different ones that can can house your knowledge base and you want to be able to see how people find your resources.
If there's a rain, I don't know if you've ever clicked on anything like Microsoft or some of the other Ed tech tools that you use and gives you give it a rating, a thumbs up or thumbs down or common. If this was useful, is it something that people are clicking on? So that doesn't mean that might be a common problem and you might have to report that to your product team and then
article freshness rate. So getting things up to date like like ASAP, like if there's a product change or there's a, there's a change in workflow for a certain business, like maybe the customer care agents have to do something different within their workflows, then you need to make sure that that article is up to date. This is probably one of the most challenging parts of this role. Let me go ahead and share the here's an example of A and there's more out there, content
curator. This one specifically has to do with live a library. I know a lot we think of when we think of curators, we think of like museums and libraries and resources, primary sources, all the different things. So basically, you know, it's important for you to understand how to organize things here. So teachers are great organizers. So this would be a great role for somebody stepping out of education. Let me take a moment to pause and check some of the live stuff. All right, awesome.
Let's keep going. All right, so those are all the roles. Those are 7 different roles you can have in your pocket for when you're doing your LinkedIn searching, your job searching. And again, these are all organizations and institutions, all see them differently. They might have different titles, but they might have the same characteristics of the role. So just make sure that you are researching out there and
looking at the different roles. That's one of the things I tell people when they first are thinking about transitioning to role Ality. Research what the roles are. See what you like about the role, what you don't like about the role. You know, what are things that you think like, Oh, this will directly like lesson planning to project management directly is a transferable skill for a program
manager. So you have to think about all those things before you actually start doing the applying because if you apply to everything, and I always use this analogy, just like the lottery, if you get 1000 tickets or you get 50 tickets, you still have the same chances. So I don't recommend applying to millions of jobs to see if something sticks because it's not. It's probably not. There may be anomalies out
there, but it's probably not. So one of the reverse engineer paths activities I recommend is a three circle Venn diagram. And I honestly recommend Googling this and going through the process. So basically what you're doing here is you're reflecting about like what your passions are, the skills that you have, some of the knowledge that you have, and then looking at what the industry needs and then relating
that. Like, you know, the three circles, like in the middle is you and then all the different things. And then writing that down. You can do this different ways. You can just write down what your passions are, what your skills are, what your, your expertise knowledge is in and then go out and research like what are the, what are people looking for as an LXD? What are people looking for as far as any learning development and kind of get an idea of what those are.
So you can go on and search for roles that apply to those things. And that's going to do 2 things. That's number one. It's going to make you more aware where some of your, where your strengths are, maybe where some of your gaps are, but #2 you're not going to be applying the roles that you may not want. You're not going to be applying to things like I shouldn't apply to that.
I've seen so many people come out and they've applied your role, they took it and they're like they took the first thing out and they didn't like it so they had to transition again. So please do some of the research, please do some of the self reflecting. The next is an exercise that you can do is you're taking your top three teaching skills and then you're matching them like doing a little match activity to the
relevant L&D roles. So how directly that expertise that you have, the skills can transfer over into whatever role or whatever area you're looking to get into. So these two things are really easy to do. You can just sit down for 15 minutes and do one of the other or both. And that way it gives you more of a path and a starting point to what you're looking for. Because most times everybody's like, I want to be an instructional designer. And my, my response is, what
industry do you want to go into? Because the instructional design is huge. You learning development is huge. You want to be in corporate education, government, freelance. Do you want to, you know, develop your own business? So just it, you really have to know where you're going with these types, these types of situations. And all right. And I want to pause real quick and tell you about some of the things that are happening in the
next couple of weeks. Like, I have some things going on as far as I'm going to give you the access to the guide, but I also want to encourage you to join this ICE Spring community where I am. I am posting some exclusive content. So I put that link in the chat. And then I also too want to encourage you as you're thinking about your role, one of the things you're going to start to see is you probably need to update your resume.
So I'm doing a free live resume workshop where you can come, you can join. And we're just going to make every, your resume. So I encouraged you, if you haven't already signed up for that. It's, it's completely free, no strings attached. There's going to be like stuff given away and it's going to be fun. And I just want to, I just want to help. So please sign up for that as well. And I think it's, it's really important for you to connect with me on LinkedIn too, if you
haven't already. I share tons of content out there. So if you haven't followed me on LinkedIn or you haven't connected with me, I still have some connections. I think LinkedIn limits to 30,000. I have a few left that I can connect with you. So please, please, please, I'll put my LinkedIn in the chat as well. Please connect with me on a LinkedIn world. Join that learning exchange. And when this comes out as a podcast episode, share with your peers.
And I just have to shout out ispring for sponsoring this for me. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to do this live with you and help you and share all the information, the guides, the knowledge, the things that I know about so that you can learn from my mistakes and my missteps to find the role that fits you also want to mention. So now it's time for QA. I'm going back to look into the chat. Also mention to you that you can
join. So one of the communities that or one of the places I absolutely love is Chelsea Avert site Ed Skip, where you can find a variety again of these LND type roles that I've mentioned. And some of those links were from her site. And you can get 10% off of Ed Skip and her subscriptions. Super affordable. I used them when I was transitioning out from Amazon to the role I currently have now. If you use the code Holly, you get 10% off. So be sure to write down that code. Use that code.
It's going to be important for you to save some money in this these economic times that we're having. So definitely 100% go out to Ed Skip, you know, use that code, Holly. And now it's time for live QA. So I'm going to go back to the chat and I'm going to see what people have been asking. All right, So Danielle says I'm a school librarian to transition and this seems like a perfect role for me. I love the one I shared about
the librarian David has asked. Any advice for someone looking in transition LD with no education injury? I come from children's media background, currently working as a content moderator, curator but enjoy entry liver while working with curriculum lectures to develop education content. So I would say you would probably look for a curriculum designer role or like a curriculum curator role that
might be good for you. But also too, if I would recommend taking a peek at the e-learning development. If you do like technology stuff, that could be a role for you as well. And these positions again, are called different things. So that might be 1. I would recommend looking at e-learning development, but also looking for what did I say, like an Ed, like a content curator, like you're already doing that. So maybe look for that more in
the education space. And it's also good to to look at Ed tech companies because they're always looking for people to kind of make their their education stuff like their nod bases and stuff or their experiences when they're ombudding people sound better, like not sound so much and full of jargon and things like that. So that might be a good idea for you. I have to think about that a little bit more. Yay. You come to the webcar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I saw another question in here. Let's see, let me go back. All right. I mean, if you have that media stuff to you learning development or video production or I have somebody who's on my team because a social media specialist, but they do like they do do some video stuff. So I mean, you could look at those different roles and just see what, what works best for you and kind of do some of the research out there. Yeah, Ed Skip is amazing. I love it too, Tara.
It is absolutely amazing. Chelsea has just, she's outdone herself with, with Ed Skip as far as like just the rules and the vast diverse amount of roles she shares. And they're all 60K or more and most are remote. So it's amazing. All right, that's a great question, Jessica. So Jessica's asking in the chat, do many or any of these roles require additional certification? It depends. In the corporate space, they don't really see academic
credentials. They do like to see those, but they don't weigh heavily as much as they want in the education or an academic space. So the certificate might be for you to get some knowledge and some skills that you may not have if you're coming out of the classroom to kind of get a better understanding of that. But one of the things that I say is I wouldn't invest in something that's paid for until you've exhausted all their free resources first. So exhaust there's free resources 1st.
And I'm going to put a link again in the chat and this will be in the show notes as well. I'm not sure how many of you, you've probably seen this and I'll share this tab instead. My curated resources, which I'm going to go in and update soon.
I have a couple things to add, which if you're stepping out into instructional design or any of these LND roles, this is a great place for you to start and think about where you're where where you're gonna go. Like where you gonna gonna go join an Academy or you do need to read some books. What are the things that you need to do? And of course, my computer is freezing because it doesn't want
me to share things. All right, let me put that in the chat says we can't access your video, but my videos right here. All right, I should have should have had that link up. All right, let's get that in the chat as well. And I have a shorter bit lately, but that's the longer 1. So please, please go ahead and you know, use that as part of your when you're going and looking for different roles, use that, use those resources and they're free and paid for things in there.
So all right, I think we've come to the end of the presentation here and make sure this goes in the chat. All right, all right, I'm so excited. This was such a great session. I even learned some stuff by just talking through those various roles. Make sure that share, if not everything's going to be in the show notes And people often ask me, and this is the final thing that I'll say before I shut down the live is like, do I help people? I do help people.
I have some like 30 minutes, 60 minute sessions that I do outside of the work day that you can sign up for that are paid for opportunities. You know, you can do a free discovery call, but if you want to, we can sit down and have a conversation. I am so happy to do that with you to kind of get you on that path to where you want to be and give you advice. Just my experience, what I've seen out in the industry, you know, transitioning into these
various roles. So, you know, come join me and I'd love to have a one-on-one with you. All right, thank you so much for coming to the session. I saw about 30 people join. I had about 141 registered, but I'm so glad there is an interest in this sort of conversation. I'm going to keep having these conversations and sharing these out as podcast episodes. So make sure you follow my podcast. Make sure you follow me and LinkedIn for all the latest and the greatest.
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