On this episode of the Educational Duct Tape Podcast, I'm joined by Shantel Lott, Ed Tech enthusiast and lead learning guide at FriedTech to tackle an important question, how can we help students self-assess their learning? We dive into tools like Snorkl, NotebookLM, Curipod, Knowt, and more. Plus she suggests a super cool application of MagicSchool's Custom Chatbot Builder.
And before we wrap it up, I've got some updates on using Google Gemini in the classroom as well as new features and Padlet Sandbox, and a new tool for auto creating slideshows. So right before I hit record, my dog Tuck, let out this big snore. Honestly, every time I sit down to prep, or even while I'm recording, tuck, our Boston Terrier is right here, curled up on the floor, snoring softly, occasionally lifting his head to give me one of his looks.
He's got one that says, dad, that was a silly thing to say. Another that says, you're embarrassing me with those voices and a snore that says this is. Really boring At least, I think that's what he's saying. But let's be honest, Tuck's not exactly giving me clear, actionable feedback. He's just my adorable, mostly quiet sidekick. And that brings me to today's sponsor, M2 by Swivl. M2 is the intelligent co-teacher. I wish I had like Tuck.
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Uh, before we get to it, uh, we, I'm gonna go with a slight format change in upcoming episodes. I'm gonna rotate between episodes that have a guest and episodes that have a soapbox moment. They both take a lot of time to prepare recording with a guest. Editing the episode with a guest, making that all happen, and researching and preparing for a soapbox moment and then recording that soapbox moment. So I'll rotate on and off again. So today we've got an amazing guest, Shantel Lott next week.
Unfortunately, we don't have a guest you've just got me to deal with, with a soapbox moment and some EdTech news. But I'm hoping that this will make it easier for me to bring one episode per week. To you. Before we get to that interview with Shantel, I'd like to ask you and remind you to share, share, share, share, share about the show.
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Now, without further ado, let's get to our guest for today. today our guest is Shantel Lott. Shantel is an ed tech enthusiast and lead learning guide at friedTech. She is certified in Google and Microsoft, and empowers educators to integrate tech into their classrooms. Whether in person or virtual Shantel's. Passion is making, learning, engaging and innovative. You could find her on. All of the social medias @LottsOfEdTech. That's Lotts.
L-O-T-T-S, like her last name of EdTech, like the thing that she talks about. Uh, you can also find her on the friedTechnology website at friedtechnology.com and a link to her email address and LinkedIn account, as well as all of those other things are in the show notes, but not in the show notes. Actually, here in the podcast is the actual Shantel. What's up Shantel? What's, how you doing today?
Hi. I am doing good. How are you?
am doing great. We were just reminiscing about seeing each other in Mississippi a couple years back for a conference. Yes. Lots of fun. Yeah,
Mississippi was awesome. Not only do I love the food, my family's from Mississippi. Fun fact, a lot of Lotts are from
a lot of.
so lots of Lotts in Mississippi. And so yeah, it was pretty cool to hang out there and not only get to see, you know, everybody hang out, in Jackson, but we actually, we went down to the coast like Gulf. Port
Yeah.
yeah. And my family's from that area, Pascagoula, if you know Right. Shout out to Pascagoula. That's where my family's from.
Like, I don't know what she's talking about right now. It sounds wonderful.
Yes.
It sounds like a place where I can get some wonderful jambalaya in Pascagoula. Is that accurate?
Yeah, gumbo. I have a
too.
about how my grandma one year had me over for, I think it was like the Thanksgiving holiday or break or something, and she cooked a whole pot of gumbo, no salt. So grandma was trying to be health conscious. It was great. It was great. until I realized there was no, I was okay. Okay. So, you know, we're supporting wise choices, but I miss salt. I miss
You just like sneak your bowl out of the room and like add your own in there.
Add salt! Yes!
Just sprinkle a little bit extra in there.
Yes.
so, so Shantel, you taught me a new term before we started recording. I'm gonna ask you to share this term with all listeners. So I was making sure I was pronouncing your name right and you told me that some people say Shantel and some people say Shantel, and you're, and you don't even, you just respond to both, right? It's just like naturally you don't even notice the difference.
I'm sound blind, sound blind there.. but that's because the story is right. My dad named me, and he called me Sean, and my mom calls Shan. So I am sound blind to both. pronounce it Sean, because you know, that's, you know, he named me. So I go with Nice. am sound blind you told me, you Also, you know. Or nose blind, you know, akin to nose blind. Right. when you don't smell something.
see, I've never heard of nose blind. That is a totally new term to me. I've never heard this term.
Yes. Well, you know, it's not good to be nose blind
Okay.
but you know, sometimes it happens.
Like, that's like when my wife's like, did you smell that? And I'm like, no, I don't smell anything. I must be nose blind. Apparently.
yes,
This is
absolutely.
to me. You're teaching me new things. Well, I think you're gonna teach us tons of new things today, when we get into talking about some self-assessment ideas and self-assessment tools. But first we, we gotta keep having a little bit of fun. Are you up for some fun? Shantel?
Sure.
Okay, we always start off with a game and we are gonna start with a game of two truths and one lie. As listeners to the show know, you're gonna tell me three statements. Two will be true one will be a lie. I will try to figure out which one's the lie. I'll do a bad job of it. I'll probably get it wrong and I'll probably forget to figure out which one's the lie. because I always butcher this game, even though this is episode 120, and I've played two truths and one lie in probably 80 of them.
And I still, still will mess it up. But you're gonna gimme those three statements and I'm gonna do my best. And regardless, we're gonna have fun. That's the one thing that matters here, is we're gonna have fun when we do it. Are you ready with your statements?
Yes, I'm
I'm, I'm ready when you are.
Okay, so I drove to California by myself. I've been to Disney four times by myself
Mm-hmm. Mm.
I've been to Mount Rushmore by myself.
Whoa. All of these things are by yourself.
Yes, solo dolo
okay. Wow, those are fascinating. I'm curious of the why behind all behind the two that are true.
Okay.
to California by yourself, went to Mount Rushmore by yourself, and went to Disney four times by yourself. Now I, before I make my guess, I was with Victoria Thompson at the FETC conference in Florida, in Orlando. Do you know Victoria?
Yes.
Yeah, so Victoria lives down there in Orlando and at FETC, there's like a session on the first day where some of the featured speakers present to the new attendees, just like to help them figure out the schedule and like where everything's at and stuff like that. And so she and I were there together in that, and I. Um, she was like, I think I'm gonna go to lunch at Disney today. And I was like, what? You're leaving the conference and going to Disney for lunch? And she said, yeah.
She said, that's why we moved to Orlando is 'cause we love Disney so much. And I was like, and you're just gonna like jaunt over there for a quick lunch. And she's like, yeah. We go like, like four or five times a week. Like sometimes just for lunch, just for dinner. I was like, oh my gosh. I like, I go like once every two years when my wife makes me and I'm like, I hate it here, but she is like, I go, I'm just running over for lunch.
Although I guess if I was just running over for a jumbo Turkey leg, I might like it. Um, okay, but I'm gonna guess So she goes to Disney by herself, but I'm guessing that you going to Disney four times by yourself is a lie.
That is actually right. Uh, I have been, okay. Well,
Okay.
I've been maybe. two times by myself. Yes. And then, I feel like the other times I was with people. So like the first time that I went by myself, I, the first day I went with my mom and some family members and then. I stayed, like I had an extra day, so then
Oh,
back by myself. 'cause I was like, okay, yeah,
you right there?
I'm gonna go see another park or
Yeah.
the other time, I think it was FETC, I got there a little bit early and then I could go, you know, and just walk around and enjoy it. And I, you know. It's a blast. I love it.
Yeah.
I love Disney. Um, I did not think that would be something that I would enjoy, so I was pleasantly surprised and I was like, I think, I think I am a Disney adult.
Okay.
that realization of like, okay, yeah, this is a thing. And I know people, it's, it's a hot topic, you know, why go to Disney instead of Paris? But I felt like. Uh, Disney's a little bit more accessible,
Yeah.
you know, um, I mean, not to say Paris isn't on the list, it's on the list, but Disney's a little accessible. Well, I think I might have done this wrong. Okay. But also I didn't drive to California.
Oh no.
it's two lies and a a truth. I drove to Florida, but that was my, was my go-to and it by myself is true. But I did stop like in, um, Louisiana. So I feel like it wasn't like a straight
That's okay.
stopping in Louisiana, which is a whole nother story. But, I stopped there, you know, had. Fun, I think. I think I met up with some friends 'cause there was a festival and then I drove the rest of the way to, um, uh, Florida
FETC.
so
okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. So, okay, so let's get this straight. You're, we're both struggling with the game today. Okay. There's two lies.
two lies and a truth.
To, you're stacking the deck, actually, you're stacking the deck to help me. This is like an accommodation for Jake, but in two lies, he'll be sure to find one.
scaffolded it. It
did. You sure did. Okay, so, so you've gone to Disney by yourself, but twice, not four times. Okay.
yeah. Yet.
And wasn't it, you drove to California by yourself?
No. Yeah, so I, it was actually Florida,
Okay.
California, because I was like, I, well, you know, you learn something. Let's say that I'm not good at two, two truths and
We're we belong hanging out together. Sh Shantel, we are both the same on this. this is how this game always ends up for me. And then the crazy thing is I was recently interviewing, Adam Juarez and Kat Goyette, who are from California. They were on the show recently and I said something. About them being from Florida. So apparently me and you both struggle with Florida and California. They're just pretty much the same. It's warm there.
flip flop, it's coast,
coast.
coast on
there's, there's water.
Yeah. Yeah. They're basically
Oh
the same. No,
goodness.
all the Florida people. I don't want them to be like,
Hey, hey, we're on. The same as the California people. We're different.
Yeah. Yeah. Floridians, I did go to Mount Rushmore by myself. It was a wonderful, experience. I was out there, and I just had the opportunity to go for a day and I did, and it was worth it. I got to see Abraham Lincoln. I was like, I should have put that on there, that I met Abraham Lincoln.
You met him, but he didn't meet you.
No, no, it was an impersonator, uh, there, which I was not expecting. But why not?
Yeah.
on Mount Rushmore. So, you know, impersonator, was pretty awesome. He had the whole hat and everything. I was
Wow.
this is pretty cool. And, it is very, it's a, it's in a national park and very, you know, trees mountainous, beautiful. but it did smell like an air freshener as soon as I got outta the car, like that strong pine smell, which I thought was pretty cool, like, you know,
You were not nose blind to that.
No, I was not. It was, I was nose aware.
You were nose aware is the opposite. We actually had, when I teach middle school, we had a Abraham Lincoln impersonator come to the school to talk to the kids.
Okay.
was like a super, he was super knowledgeable about Lincoln's life and about all of his like policy achievements and all kinds of stuff. And he kind of did an interview as Abraham Lincoln, which was actually was really cool.
Yeah.
It was really neat.
own Lincoln.
Yeah.
cool.
And he looked like him too. He was, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was crazy. Kind of neat.
a, that's interesting to find where you're like, you know who you look like Abraham
Yeah.
and then you're like, this is my thing. Yeah,
I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do that for a job now. Okay. I guess I, I'm tall and skinny. Maybe I need to be a Lincoln impersonator. I got, I've got a beard. Maybe I could pull it off. I just need a top hat.
There's definitely a, a, a following for it. Everyone was happy to see Lincoln at the monuments, I'm sure
There we go. Okay, Shantel, now that we're being silly and choosing my future career as an Abraham Lincoln impersonator, let's go ahead and get into some educational duct tape. I probably only have like three or four more episodes of this show, and then I'm gonna pivot the podcast into my Abraham Lincoln podcast to, to really get
should.
as I should, to get my impersonation career off the ground. But.
four score and duct tape or
Four score and duct tape. I think that's right. that's exactly right. A good plan four score and duct tape. Four score, educational four score. I don't know. before we transitioned the show into the Abraham Lincoln podcast though, We're gonna talk about educational technology, and so my question to you is, what tool or strategy would you use to facilitate students self-assessing their learning?
Now, before, before I give you a chance to share your answer to this, I wanna point out to the audience, That. I think self-assessing comes in a variety of different ways.
Like there's some really deep self-assessing where kids are really reflecting on their efficacy in their work and they're thinking about where they could grow and looking at rubrics and really getting detailed into where am I at in a learning pathway or on a learning progression, what success criteria have we met, that's certainly amazing and we wanna do that kind of stuff. But then there's also some maybe.
Quote unquote lower level stuff where they're just answering questions and finding out if they're getting them right or wrong. And I think that's really powerful too, because we want them to just be like assessing like, did I learn this? Do I know this? Do I understand that? So any level of self-assessing is what we're talking about here. there certainly are a variety of levels, but I think there're all good, there are a variety of levels of good.
Uh, and so we're gonna talk about tools for self-assessment. So what's one that you love? What's the first one?
I would say I really love, Snorkl. it's a pretty cool tool. Like it's a whiteboard tool and students can, show what they know and explain maybe a concept or something like that, or. You know, draw out a problem and it will, assess pretty much, you know, the, it also record, you know, the students can explain as they're drawing it out.
and it will assess from that recording and what they've drawn on the screen, like if they've gotten the answer correct or wrong, and give them feedback, real feedback about, you know, you've got this part right, but you know, you need to work on this part. and kind of break it down to them, like what parts they got, right, what parts they need
Wow.
So I really, really like that. It's a pretty cool tool.
Wow.
can students submit one, they can submit multiple responses. So if you didn't get it right the first time, you can resubmit right to work on, you know, a particular concept that maybe you're, you haven't grasped yet.
Wow. Okay. So I am, I've heard of Snorkl. I've seen kind of the hype around it. I've done a little bit of exploring as to what it is, but I haven't gotten in there and used it. So I'm excited that you're sharing this so that I can hear more about it. So tell me about the assessment piece in there. So you post a prompt to the kids, right? they go in, they respond to it.
they're drawing on a whiteboard, kind of like you would do in, I don't know, lots of different tools offer like a whiteboard area. they can't see what anybody else is answering, right. They're, it just, they're just private to their own.
Yeah. Yeah. So they can't see anybody else's answer or anything like that. And then you can actually, like, you know, you can, if your prompt is just a question, you can put that there and they can, you know, respond to it. Or you can even put like a graphic up and they can use that. Like, so if we're talking about food chains, right?
There's a food chain graphic and they've gotta fill in the different parts of it, and then it will assess as they explain, you know, the, you know, graph, you know, the. eats the leaf and you know, the bird eats the caterpillar. They'll have to explain that whole cycle and then it'll say, yes, you got the, you know, the prompt, or no, you need to work on that. Yeah.
Wow. Okay, so you, so it can assess even a drawing on top of another image. Right. Okay. And by the way, props to you for having that food chain correct. That was very good there. The science teachers are like snapping their fingers right now at you for that.
So yes, I, you know, if it was anything else, I might need a little bit help when it comes to science, but food chain,
You got it.
I feel like, I feel like that's a good
That was really good.
You know, we still all kind of remember a little bit of the food chain.
That was good. You did good. now how is it assessing it? Is this, it's using AI to assess it. Does the teacher have to give any information about what the correct answer is for the a to like for the AI to start with?
No, the AI literally, you know, assesses it based off the prompt that you give it.
Wow.
with the, you know, uh, graphic maybe that you provide
Wow.
or whatever you might, you know, add and it will assess it, for you. Mm-hmm.
Whoa. That's really cool. That's really cool. how accurate have you found it to be when you've used it or when you've supported other teachers using it? In terms of the assessments?
I found it to be pretty accurate, which is pretty cool. Like, you know, I do, you know, have questions about how does the AI know,
Yeah. It knows.
I feel like the, you know, how does it, but, uh, the feedback that I've seen, you know, I've kind of played around with it, like normally spot on with the feedback that it gives to students.
That's cool. And then do teachers get good feedback or good like formative assessment data out of it as well?
Yes. So on your side you're gonna see like how, you know, did they get, you know, three points out of the four points. It goes like a four point scale.
Hmm.
So you know, do they get a three out of four or two out of four? And it kind of tracks that as they go along. And then it'll track it with each submission. So if they submit more than once, then you'll see that growth as well.
Wow. And then the, and the kids find out right away what they, if they got it right or wrong, right.
Mm-hmm. And it'll even, read that feedback to them. So if there, there's a feature where it'll, you know, read that feedback to the students if they need it. I don't know. I find myself using that often. I feel like it's like the captions on the tv, right? Like, if it can be read to me, I just
Yeah.
ahead and go with it. 'cause it's like, you know, easier for me, I'm an auditory learner, so
Mm-hmm.
to kind of take in that feedback. So it's pretty cool.
Does it sound like a human talking to you when it reads it?
It's pretty smooth
Yeah.
I'll say. I am pretty impressed with
Yeah.
AI reading capabilities there. It's like kind of, it's kind of cool 'cause you know, the computer generated voices, what you're expecting to hear
Mm-hmm.
you know, a little bit choppy and kind of halted, but it's pretty smooth.
I find that like, if it sounds like one of the old text to speech tools, you know, from like five, five years ago, I don't wanna listen to that. Right? Like, like,
No.
like I, it was good for kids who needed it, you know? and I'm glad there was something in there to kind of help with leveling that issue for them. But nowadays, the way some of these. AI ones work where it's like speaks like, like, like NotebookLM for example, where they, it creates this audio that sounds like real humans talking to podcasts.
Like, yeah, I could listen to that and then if I'm getting feedback on whether I got something right or wrong, I'd love for it to come from a voice like that where it sounds like somebody really talking to me. Yeah.
Yeah, which is pretty cool. And they do have a beta. If you haven't been on NotebookLM, they have a beta where now you can talk back to the podcast and be a part of it. super cool, love that.
Yeah. Super cool.
And then like, they'll answer your question, so maybe you have a question for the podcasters and they'll answer it. So it's pretty NotebooklM is pretty cool.
Yeah, that's one of my favorites. I, yeah. It's so cool how they like copy patterns that are in real podcasts too. Like the other day I had a podcast and they were, the one host said to the other host, like, oh yeah, we were talking about that before we started recording. I was like, you were not, you are ai you were not talking before we started recording. you were.
we're in the back talking about it. Right. Just a couple minutes ago.
We there,
you, you bring that up,
it's just like two people at the Google offices, but like, they're just like, that's what people do on podcasts. So they just mimicked it, which is crazy. okay. So I clearly need to explore Snorkl, and spend some time with it, and learn more about it 'cause that sounds really neat. And I think I. I I, I'm guessing that some people are listening and they're going, Hmm, the teacher should be the one assessing that, that work, not an AI tool. Um, and I hear them, I have a response to them.
I'm wondering if you have thoughts on that too.
Um, I think you always should be checking, um, you know, uh,
Mm-hmm.
like, and, you know, keeping an eye on what, feedback students are getting from ai. I think like, as the teacher, you're the ultimate resource, you know, and you're the ultimate expert in your particular content, so you know, know if it's on, you know.
Mm-hmm.
Testing it out if it's spot on or it needs some work. So I think, you know, you always be involved in seeing that and you can always go in and see what the AI responded to students. and maybe make any corrections at the time and be like, Hey guys,
Mm-hmm.
this is, you know. Maybe there's something you need to correct or whatever. So I mean, ultimately the teacher's always the expert. I think that's kind of what I always say when it
Yeah.
comes to ai. Like, you are the expert, the person in the official voice in the room
Yeah.
to your particular content. So.
Can the teacher overrule how Snorkl AI scored it? if Snorkl AI said something was wrong, can the teacher go in and go like, actually no, that was right. Can they go in and change it?
I believe so. I don't like,
Yeah.
not a hundred percent 'cause
We'll have to explore that. Mm-hmm.
But I will say I believe
Yeah, we'll have to explore. That's a good, that's a good thing to think about. And so these people that will say that, and I, again, I hear what they're saying there and I agree with them. I think that what they'd say is not just what part of, it's what you said there, which is, we can't trust the AI to do the assessment accurately. We should have some oversight over it, which I agree there with what you said there, that they should be checking it afterwards.
But I think the other part of what they'd say is that the assessing of the learner. By the teacher is also important, like for the informing the teacher's understanding of the learner's progress, you know, as a formative assessment tool. And I get that and I agree. I think there's a limit to how much a teacher can reasonably do formative assessment. Like there we, there's only so much time in the day. We don't have time to formative assess everything.
Like I think there should be some work done in the classroom that the teacher never assesses because. It just the student should be doing more work than the teacher possibly has time to assess, right? that's the way, that's the work, the way the workload should work out. We want them informatively, assessing and acting on it as much as possible, but I just don't think they could assess everything. Um,
That's true.
and the two main points with Snorkl here, one is. The self-assessment power, which is what we were originally talking about, that if the teacher was assessing these things, there'd be a gap between when the kid did the work and when they found out if it was right or wrong. Right? And so that's, that's an issue, right? it's still good to have teacher feedback, even if it's time shifted forward an hour or 15 minutes or a day or whatever. But like that immediacy of the feedback is really powerful.
and the other part is, I think. If I'm a teacher and I have to hand grade everything my kids do and give them feedback on it, I'm going to, it's, I'm gonna do less. Right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have less times where I have them do these things. and so then if the alternative is. Less formative assessment, that's not good. Right? And if the alternative is students not getting immediate feedback, that's not great either.
So I think that we need a balance of using these tools for their benefits, which are, is that immediate feedback and that it allows teachers to get more formative assessment data and do more formative assessment than they could do if they did it manually. with sometimes where the teachers may be conferencing with the student about those results or the teachers doing some assessment. That's on paper or something like that where they're doing it. So I fall on both sides of this issue.
So I think I, I, I understand what those people are saying, but I think that if we don't use these tools we're, um, I, we're not equipping ourselves with all the abilities we could possibly have, you know?
Yeah.
So, um, okay. So Snorkl, we talked a little bit about NotebookLM in there too. Not really a self-assessment tool, just something cool that we're both excited about. Although I guess you could, like, with that questioning feature, you really could be, Sharing your understanding of the thing that it made the podcast on and asking it if you were correct, and it probably would give you some information on that. I've never tried that, but you really could probably do some self-assessment in there.
what else would you use? So let's say you don't have access to Snorkl and you wanna use something else. What else would you try?
I've started to dabble in, MagicSchool in the custom, uh, chatbots
Mm-hmm.
being able to kind of create a personalized pathway, with a custom chat bot for students. So, a way in which maybe they have a first question and if they. that first question wrong, then it helps support them, with another question, you know, with maybe like a video support or a resource, or here's what you need, you know, to do, and then another question that's on that particular same topic before you move on to something else.
So I've gone in there and I've made the chat bot and I've like given it some information. Like for example, the other day I did one about volcanoes in a PD session and I gave it like this doc, this PDF about volcanoes and I, pasted in some learning standards about volcanoes and I pasted some text about volcanoes and give it a website. Said like, you're a volcano chatbot, you're gonna talk to kids about volcanoes, that's all you could talk to about is volcanoes. and it went great.
It was really cool. and what's cool with the MagicStudent chatbots is you send it out to the kids. They don't have to have an account to use it. they, if they have a MagicStudent account, great, but they could just type in their name when they log in, and then you as the teacher could see the whole conversation if you want to. And I also love that the chat bot won't have alternative discussion.
So like, for example, in the example I did in this group, I asked as the student, I was being the student, I asked a bunch of questions about volcanoes and then I said, can you teach me a swear word in Spanish? And the chat bot was like, no, that's not what I do. Um, whereas had I had a kid asked Google or ChatGPT to do that, it would've done that. Just like it would've just told, thought to us a swear word in Spanish. So that's the other part. That's nice, but.
What I haven't done is this pathway idea. So are you saying that you can make it, you can give it specific questions to ask the kids and it'll ask them that question every time and then prescribe what comes next based on that?
Yeah, so if you wanted to like create like a personalized pathway, so not a math teacher, but I demoed it with math
Yeah.
And so like the first one I wanna do, like simple addition, then that's the first, type of question that pops up for students. And then they answer that. Either they get the answer correct, then they move on to maybe, you know, subtraction. but if they get it wrong, then it gives to them, it explains, it says, oh, you got it wrong. And then it can explain to them why they got it wrong, and then give them another addition question to practice
Wow, that is so cool. I'm, I'm, so, I'm looking in MagicSchool right now 'cause I'm kind of geeking out about this idea right here. is it in, is it just the chat bot and you're telling it to do that? Or is there a specific tool that's built for pathways? Like, is this like a, is this a Shantel creation or is this a MagicSchool feature?
Well, this is this, I guess like a Shantel creation. I kind of thought about like, you know, could I do a personalized pathway? So I'm just using the custom bot, so I prompt, it
that's cool.
with, you know, okay, here is the first, you know, type of question that I want you to ask,
cool.
it generates that question. I like it for math because of the, you know, it can just. Generate, you know, different math problems. And I don't have to necessarily tell
Mm. Mm-hmm.
is the first one, but like for your volcanoes, you could give it something very specific, like, you know, I'm not a volcano wizard, but, you know, some question about maybe, you know, the different types of rock or
Mm-hmm.
Some, you know.
That works. That works.
or lava of magma or
There you go.
those things, you get it prompted for that question, and if they don't get it right, then it gives the, you know, okay, here's the support for, you know, what magma is or what lava is. Okay. Now here's another type of question about volcanoes that's along that same line, you know, molten rock
Mm mm.
or something.
That's, so, that's, this is so cool. This is such a cool idea. I never thought about like telling it how the conversation should flow, not just what to talk to 'em about, you know? 'cause when I made that volcano one that I made, it really was just like, I'm here to talk to you about volcanoes. what questions do you have? And like, and it could have some cool conversations with the kids, but you're really saying like, ask them this. If they get it right, then do this.
If they get it wrong, then do this. That's really neat. Um. Ooh, I love this idea. I'm gonna go play with it right now. Um, it's not gonna give the teachers any data. I wanna point out like Snorkl. You're gonna be able to see like right or wrong. Whereas here, the teacher aren't gonna get any data out of this. but we're talking self-assessment here, right? We're really talking about sending the students and that's what we want. Even though we want a teacher to do formative assessment and.
Craft the learning experiences based on what's happening with the kids. We also want the kids to be a driver of their learning like we want. We want this to be learner driven. We want kids in the driver's seat as much as possible, self-assessing and finding out if they're right or wrong. That's really neat. That's cool. Yah, and I'm
definitely thinking, you know, blending, like if it's math and you know, they're going through that different pathway and then they've gotta write down that question. I mean, I love that idea, you know, of like them solving it that way
Mm-hmm.
you know, being able to kind of blend the learning that
Yeah.
of just like, you know, I mean, of course if you know your mental math is, amazing, then you can go through it that way. But I would love to, you know, see kids just like solving it out, writing it out. And then when it does break down the problem, it does show you like the steps. It breaks it down.
Yeah. That's pretty neat. That's really cool. and I love that you could probably then. In your prompt. Like some math teachers are like, well, I haven't, we're solving these kinds of problems, but we're solving them this way and we haven't learned how to solve them this other way yet we're trying to master this specific strategy. Maybe. and I'd be worried that the chat bot would show the wrong strategy, but you could probably prompt it.
This is how we're, this is how these kids are learning to solve when you show them a solution, use this strategy right.
probably. Yeah. I'm not a math teacher, so I just dabbled in it, but I'm, I'm pretty sure you could prompt it by telling it, you know, we're doing the, I think it's a, what it window pane
Mm.
window pane method or whatever
Mm-hmm.
Um, instead of a, another way
Yeah.
you know.
Yeah.
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You could use a tool like ChatGPT or like Claude, to help you build the prompt that you give to MagicSchool. Right? You could kind of flesh it out a little bit and then ask ChatGPT to kind of fill in the pathway, bring it into MagicSchool, tweak it a little bit, and then that chatbot is created that way. That'd be kind of neat to do. Know. You
really can use any of those to help. Like, if you have a kind of an idea about it, it will help you with that prompting. But even Raina, inside of MagicSchool, she'll also help you
Oh yeah.
up with that prompt. Like, 'cause I, and then it's a, it's kind of like a trial and error.
Yeah.
I've done it before, and like if you, you'll put it in and then you'll be like, no. That's not how I want it to go.
Yeah.
and you fix your prompt.
Yep.
Right. to get it, to go the way that you want. but yeah, it's the, once you have it, you know, and the structure, you're kind of good to go. So.
Yeah. Now does Raina come up right there in that chat bot to talk to, or do you, do you have to go separately to like the Raina tab and then come back?
she should pop up underneath,
Okay.
you're doing your chatbot,
Yeah.
the way I did it, I just went to Raina first and helped like, and there I think there's something, there's a tool to help
Mm-hmm.
So, you can either use one that, that tool or Raina and then, you know, flesh it out there. And then when I was doing it, and Raina, It generated the chat, the chat bot for me
Yeah.
I could kind of like
Oh yeah.
with it first, and then be like, oh, no, no, that's not what I
Yeah. What's cool about doing it with Raina is that for those people listening that don't know what Raina is, Raina is kind of like the teacher chatbot inside, they call it the instructional coach, inside of MagicSchool that the teacher could talk to get ideas, for how to, you know, what, whatever, any classroom ideas. and it's built on a lot of like pedagogical knowledge. So whereas ChatGPT does great stuff, ChatGPT is not. Built specifically as a teacher tool and Raina is right.
So it's seemed give you really good teacher advice. And I think as I was asking that question, I realized I think in the free MagicSchool you have access to Raina just in like the Raina tab that you were using. But you don't have access to Raina within the chat bot creation tools, but you'd be able to do what you're saying, which is go to Raina, craft the prompt there and then come back over. So it would work out perfect. Wow. This is really cool. Shantel.
Thank you.
You got me geeking out on this one a little bit. so I don't think we need, really need to share any other ideas. I think the Snorkl idea and this MagicStudent like uh, custom pathway bot are great ideas, but what other like rapid fire little ones would you throw in? Like, so if we want kids, we wanna empower kids to know where they're at in their understanding on a concept. what other tools would you use?
Um, okay. Rapid fire. Uh, I like, Um, Curipod. I mean, that's
Hmm.
taking you through, the lesson. But you've got those moments where like you can ask questions. Whole group students get their feedback, whether they, you know, got it right or wrong, or we poll and we ask, you know, like, what, do you guys see the answer is? And then we can address it there. So it's got some nice,
Mm-hmm.
options there for activities throughout your lesson, but then it does have, It's got the, the reflection or the AI feedback part where you can have students respond to a prompt and then, it will give them feedback. Right.
Mm-hmm.
while we're going through. So like, you know, if I'm going back to, a food chains or the water cycle, whatever,
Okay.
you give it, you know, we've been learning about it. Now tell me, you know, like. an ending question or an exit ticket, if you will, about like what you've learned today and the water cycle or, you know, whatever the prompt might be. And then, it'll give them feedback real time, like, you know, to the whatever they wrote about.
Yeah.
argument here is strong. You need to work on this. Or, oh, great job with this. But, you know, make sure to, you know, cite some evidence here, or whatever it might be. Um. So I like that AI feedback piece there. they also have an AI whiteboard as well, so you could also, you know, have the students draw Right. the water cycle and then get feedback off of that as well.
And does it auto grade it kind of in the way Snorkl does.
It does.
Oh cool. Yeah, so Curipod, for listeners that maybe aren't familiar with Curipod started during the whole, like ai, like explosion. They were kind of one of the first educational tools on the scene, and what they were doing then was really just. Automatically generating presentations like that was pretty much all he did, which was really cool. Like you'd go like, I need a slideshow on this topic. It would create it.
And now it's built in some of the kind of like Nearpod Pear Deck kind of features where it's like you're, it AI generated the work for you and you could tweak it. but now you could then craft a lesson that kids go through with you either. Synchronously or asynchronously, I think. but I didn't realize it had these AI pieces in there too, with the feedback and whiteboard. I knew they had some updates coming up. That must have been, amongst the updates.
Yeah. so I love these tools that give the kids instantaneous feedback, which is kinda the self-assessment point, but then also give us good formative data too. so it's kind of doing both, which is great.
And then you could also do Knowt, which is, a newer tool and it's basically flashcard so you could, students could upload their notes on there. It'll. Generate flashcards for them and quiz them on different things. Or you, as the teacher can generate a set of flashcards to quiz students over information. And it can be AI generated, like I said, from a resource or notes or whatever. You maybe have a PowerPoint or A PDF or whatever it might be, and it'll generate, flashcards off of that.
And then it has all of the different methods in which students can like, you know, quiz themselves on it. Uh, different little games matching and all that kind of stuff in there.
Okay, you're gonna have to spell Knowt for everybody.
K-N-O-W-T
So it is like, know, like I know that with the t on the end, but it sounds like it's NOTE. Everybody just Google that and they're like, I can't find Knowt anywhere. Shantel, I, this is another one that's new to me, like I've heard of it and I've seen it out there, but I haven't messed with it. their site calls themselves the number one free Quizlet alternative, like throwing some shade right there. But I, it's okay.
a little bit of shade. Yeah.
Actually, I'm now looking at the page right now. And they've got their Knowt like Dragon standing in front of a tombstone that says RIP Quizlet on it. Have you seen this?
Yes.
Wow. Okay. And you could just pull your Quizlet games right into there too. Um,
I think his name is Kai, right? Kai the
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'll have to check 'em out. but yeah, AI, flashcards, AI summarize, I got, I gotta explore this one. This is cool. Um, and all, all free. Sure. Looks like it is
Free 99.
free. 99. Hey, if it's 99 cents, if it's free dollars and 99 cents, I think that's fine. This is cool. Yeah, so this is a good one too. Look at that rapid fire you gave me two amazing ones with Curipod and Knowt. other ones in that, that, that magic brain of yours there?
I mean, of course, you know, Adobe Express has portfolio, so that's always like a cool one, for your students to kind of reflect on their learning if you're looking Mm-hmm. for something that's like visual or, you know, kind of them putting together some kind of, uh. end reflection of what they've learned, like maybe if they're doing like a science experiment and like what we researched and kind of what we found along the way kind of thing. So their portfolios are pretty, cool for that.
And then, of course, Padlet, you know, Padlet's a tried and true way for students to kind of reflect about their learning and post. And now they can do it in multiple ways. You know, video, audio, post an image, whatever. I mean, now there's built-in, you know, AI image generation in there as well. So some cool stuff.
That's nice. I love that. those last two, you're pointing out kind of a different version of self-assessment, which you're not gonna go into Adobe Express and make a portfolio or into Padlet and do some reflections and have it like. Tell you if you're right or wrong, right? This is kind of a different thing, a different piece of self-assessment. One piece of self-assessment is just knowing, am I right or wrong?
But the other is just the reflection and the thinking about where you're at in your learning journey.
And so, so those tools are really good to document your learning process, and reflect on where you're at 'cause really, While we love these things that auto grade and I think they are really powerful, there's also some benefit in the kid having to self grade, you know, essentially, which is what self-assessment really is for them to look at, a learning progression or a standard or a rubric or something like that. And think about like where. Where am I at? Do I understand this?
Do I get this like with, without having it auto graded? So I think there's kind of two pieces to it. Um, and that's a really strong point that some of those tools where they're showing what they've done or reflecting on their journey would be really powerful too. I like that a lot. Yeah. I want to throw into like some of the old school ones still have some value here too.
like even though Knowt throws some shade at them, uh, using Quizlet to do flashcards, like if you've got access to Quizlet and you're using that, nothing wrong with that. I'm a Quizizz fan nice. Because I could just send out a link and kids could just practice in a variety of different game modes and things like that to get some data in there.
What I like about Quizizz is that, you can use a, like, the AI to help you with explanations for the question. So why did I get it right? Why did I get it wrong?
Oh, that's a good point.
that it can be built in there. and then they also have the like cool accommodation profile that you can set up for students
Yes.
who need that support. So,
Yes. Yeah. Two, two great things that they've added in recent years that those, that AI feedback, And the, and you can use AI to generate your questions and things like that too.
Yeah.
and of course you want to check that, but then the accommodations in Quizizz is just amazing, the different features they have in there. And you can say, this kid always gets reduced choices in their multiple choice questions. And it just always eliminates two of the wrong answers or whatever for them, which is really wonderful that it has, lots of accessibility features built into it. By design, which is great. and then, Kahoot I know also does some of that kind of stuff too.
So some other great features. They're just doing some simple stuff where, they could self assess and we just wanna give kids the opportunity to continually be finding out, do I understand this? Where am I at in I learning of this? and put them in the driver's seat of knowing that, you know.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Wow. This was great stuff, Shantel. Lots of great ideas. I expected maybe like Shantel would bring me one or two, like new ideas. You're like blowing my mind with all the new stuff. I'm now gonna spend the rest of my day exploring all these things.
Well, I'm glad that I could, you know, derail your plans for the day.
Anytime my plans are derailed to explore education things is a good day. I am good with that. Well, thank you so much for visiting today and for joining us Shantel, and for all the sharing, like I said earlier, Shantel's contact information, will all be in the show notes.
Go in there, click follow, and and engage with her, ask her questions if you got any, either about, Grandma's, gumbo recipe or, Mount Rushmore or the Abraham Lincoln, impersonator or about, one of these ed tech tools or strategies that she shared today. reach out to her. Thanks so much for being here, Shantel.
Thanks for having me. I had a blast, you know, talking about all things, ed, techy volcanoes, you know, really pulling on my knowledge for some of these concepts. No, I had a great time.
Thank you for being here. We appreciate it.
Thanks. All right. Such a fun time having Shantel on the show. As you could tell from having listened, she had so much good insight and was so fun to talk to. I'm so glad I finally got to have her on. I hope you'll all follow her and check out more of her work. Uh, now I'd like to dive into some. EDU or EdTech News, to share with you, I've got, four different pieces here. First up in EdTech News, I recently dug into Google's policies for generative AI use with students.
Uh, a while back, , they made Gemini available for teens using their Google Workspace for education accounts. So teens that's 13 and up, if they're on their Google workspace for education school account, they now could potentially have access to Google Gemini. Uh, if you haven't heard about this yet, it might just be because your school hasn't turned it on, but if your school chooses to do so, it's totally free to set that up for them to use.
Google reports that this is a. Teen friendly version, not the regular version of Gemini, but a teen friendly, school friendly version built with safety front and center. the blog post with the announcement, which I'll, I'll link in the show notes, but the blog post with the announcement says that there are content guardrails to block age inappropriate material a. Fact checking feature that encourages students to verify info and even some AI literacy resources.
So one of them is a short video that's co-signed by two two groups called Connect Safely and the Family Online Safety Institute, FOSI. I don't actually know either these organizations. Well, uh, if you do let me know your take, but they position themselves as advocates for Kids' Privacy and Safety online. So it's good. If those are good organizations, which I assume they are, it's good having them partner with Google to make sure this stuff is safe for kids to have access to.
What really caught my eye about this access to Google Gemini for teens with their school accounts is this learning coach feature that they're saying is coming soon. It's not out yet as of the time that I'm recording this, but they say learning coach is coming. They describe it as a custom Gemini version powered by their tool. LearnLM LM Standing for language model. So we call something like Gemini or Chat GPT. Those are. Large language models, LLMs. This is a LearnLM, so it's their tool.
It's a language model for learning. and they're saying that it helps students study with step-by-step guidance with quizzes and with games about the thing that they're learning about. So basically it's like an AI tutor now. It's not out yet. I haven't seen it. I'm eager to see what it's like, but I'm excited about the potential of it, whether that excites or concerns you. However you feel about it. It's definitely something to make sure that you're aware of. admins heads up.
I wanna point out, as I said earlier, that this whole feature set is off by default. So you've got the wheel here if you wanna enable it. you have the ability to do that by flipping the switch in the admin console. If you don't want kids to have access to it, you've got that option too. I should point out, I'm not a Google admin console person, but I'm guessing that this falls under that change we talked about in a recent episode where schools need parent permission.
To allow student access to these non-core student services. I'm assuming this is non-core, so they automatically have access to Google Drive and Google Classroom and Google Docs. I'm guessing that this, uh, teen school version of Google Gemini is not a core service, which means parents will need to give permission for their kids to have access to this as they probably should. That, that should be the case. so I'm sure some of you are hyped about this.
I'm sure others of you are side eyeing it hard, feeling a little suspicious of it, and I wanna hear it all. share your thoughts on Bluesky with the #EduDuctTape, or you could send me a voice message at SpeakPipe.com/EduDuctTape and we could, uh, share your insights in the show. And hey, if you have tried any of this with your students, I'd especially love to hear from you. So our next item is about creating Google Slides.
Now, if you are anything like me with your Google Slides, there are two modes that you have when you make slides. Mode one white background, black text. Just get the content in there because there's no time to make it look nice. That's my first mode with Google Slides. Mode two is meticulously crafted slides with a color palette that's totally on brand and transitions that are. Chef's kiss, but I barely finished the content because I spend way too long in the visuals.
Those are my two modes, and I literally have no in between. It's either. White background, black text, no visuals or beautiful visuals. Not all the content, no in between. And in both cases, time is the issue that's affecting me. Either I don't have enough time to make the slides look good, or I spend so much time making them look good that I don't get all the content in. So when companies in ed tech tools talk about. AI powered slide creation tools. My ears perk up.
I'm definitely listen, listening, that's very interesting to me. Um, so joining that list of AI powered slide creation tools is a tool I heard about recently called Alayna AI that's A-L-A-Y-N-A ai. It's an add-on for Google Slides, that generates full presentations from prompts, articles, even YouTube videos.
So you tell it what you want or you give it something to base it on and it generates a presentation for you in Google Slides, meaning you can then edit it, but you just type in that topic or upload some materials or give it an outline and boom, you've got your structured ready to go slide deck. Now there are some AI slides creation tools out there that will do this, and you just get. White background, black text content is relatively on point, but they don't look pretty. That's fine.
Uh, others, maybe it looks great, but it doesn't have the content. That's great too. But in Alayna ai, it's not just like a rough draft or a sad set of black and white slides. It adds engaging images, detailed speaker notes also to support you as a teacher or presenter. And it uses professionally designed educator friendly templates to make it look nice. So basically, you're gonna get slides out of this tool that don't scream. I made this during the last five minutes of my planning period.
So the slides actually look good. Uh, and it also supports all grade levels and subjects, and you can adjust content for different learning levels or even languages. Super handy for differentiation, which is great. With that language differentiation and learning level differentiation. You can always make more slides. Based on the needs of your learners. Now, before you dive into using Alayna ai, a few things to know from their terms of service and their privacy policy.
First of all, this is for educators only because you've gotta be at least 18 to create an account. So you cannot use this with your students. You can present the slides to your students, but you can't have them use Alayna AI to make slides. Uh, it also has a limited knowledge base. So unless you're using the web research feature, the AI's info stops at 2021. So double check anything involving current events. And last, think about privacy.
Anytime you use an ed tech tool, definitely an AI ed tech tool. Don't include student data. Stick to general lesson content. Understand that your prompts and the files that you're uploading are being processed by third party models. That's open. AI and anthropic are the AI models they're using, but they're not being used to train the ai, so it is going off to that third party AI model to process them, but they're not.
Then taking that in and using it to train the AI and finally your data, so those things you upload and stuff like that is stored securely, which is good and stays on there for 30 days before deletion. So it's good that it's deleted. But maybe most importantly with ai, you know what I always say, AI generated content is not always perfect. So proofread what it gives to you, make your tweaks, and then let me know how well did it do. I want to hear about it.
I, I've watched some videos, I've explored some resources, but I haven't really used it that much. So I'd love to hear from you. How did it do when you tried Alayna ai, um, or if you prefer an alternative to Alayna AI let me know, I'd love to hear about it. Uh, #EduDuctTape on Bluesky or speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape to drop a voice message to be on the show. Next up, Padlet just added a little sparkle to its sandbox feature, sparkle.
Sparkle. So before I get into what the sparkle is, for those of you who are familiar with Padlet, but haven't used Padlet Sandbox yet, let's talk about what that is. Padlet Sandbox is their collaborative digital canvas. It's their Google Jamboard alternative. Honestly, they came out with it right around the time Google announced that Jamboard was going away. So it's their alternative to Jamboard.
It's got more features than Jamboard, which can be a good thing if you like features, or it could be a bad thing if you really like the simplicity of Jamboard. but, Padlet Sandbox is designed for drawing, writing, dropping in media, building interactive lessons or presentations and more. So you can do lots of stuff in here. And now along with that, lots of stuff. They've added some additional features to make Sandbox a little more fun too.
So what they've added are sound effects and visual effects that you can have trigger when students click on objects. So you want some confetti when they pick the right answer. You want some fireworks when they finish a project? Want an applause sound when they open the next card in a slideshow. All possible in Padlet Sandbox and all fun, uh, setup also is super simple for doing this. When you add an object, you'll see a little FX button, the letter's fx, you click that button.
You could choose from six different visual effects and 181 sound effects. Yes, 181. Why not stop at 180? I don't know. That other one must have been awesome. Anyhow, I I, I'm fully expecting someone that's listening to this right now to build a lesson using only farm animal sounds from this effects library. Please let that person be you. I. And then please send me a link. I should point out that these effects in Padlet sandbox only work in play mode.
So When you're editing, you're not gonna trigger any of those effects when you click on things in the edit mode, distraction free, which I think is really nice. But once you're presenting, then it's game on for all of these effects. Moo, quack, applause, fireworks. Ooh, ah. They're all gonna come up when you're in. play mode, presentation mode. Uh if you want to see some examples of what this looks like.
The blog post also shows examples like a clickable US climate map or a who wants to be a Millionaire Quizizz that reacts with the right or wrong sound effects based on the answer you give. Uh, is that your final answer? Hmm. Oh, wait, I didn't ask you a question yet. My question is, have you played around with these features yet? I wanna see what you came up with. Tell me all about it. Drop your ideas on Bluesky with #EduDuctTape, or send me a message at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape.
Bonus points, by the way, for anyone that includes a goat noise in their, in their Padlet sandbox, that's bonus points in a game in which we're not actually counting points. Alright, we're gonna pivot a little bit for today's final piece. This is not your standard EdTech news update, but it's actually a podcast recommendation about EdTech ish things. And trust me, it is worth a listen. It's so worth a listen that I may even listen to this episode I'm gonna share with you a second time.
I listened once. I loved it. I might go listen again. Um. It is an episode of the podcast search engine, which I had not heard of. I have not heard of their host PJ Vogt, I believe is how you say his last name. Uh, I had not heard of him either, but recently I discovered that they dropped an episode titled, what Should We Do about Teens using ai? To do their homework. Now, this episode originally had the much cooler title, Playboi Farti and Is AI Homework Machine.
And yes, that title alone did pull me in to listen to the episode and you'll understand the Playboi Farti reference when you listen. Anyhow, the episode features a teenager. That's where the Playboi Farti part comes from. Explaining his logic on why using AI to do homework is totally fine. And so I think you'll find it compelling just to listen to that. It also features an author named John Warner, who is an educator and author.
Uh, his book is headed more than Words, which dives into this exact topic and other angles on writing education and why writing is about more than just the words, right? Uh, the conversation is thoughtful. It actually kind of hurt my brain. But in a good way. I didn't walk away from the episode with any clear cut answers. I don't think you will either. But I did walk away thinking more deeply about these issues and thinking about it from some new perspectives. And I think you will too.
Uh, especially in the last few minutes of the episode where the episode lands on something that really stuck with me, which is the importance of talking to our learners about. The use of ai. So if you're feeling all kinds of conflicted about AI in the classroom, or just want to hear a teen make a surprisingly compelling case for never writing another essay himself, or you're simply curious about the Playboi Farti thing that I mentioned, this episode is definitely worth your time.
I really enjoyed it. Um, I'll leave a link in the show notes and after you listen, uh, drop your thoughts on Bluesky with #EduDuctTape. Or leave me a message at speakpipe.com/eduDuctTape. So Tuck may not offer much in the way of real time feedback, but he is an excellent snuggler. M2 from today's sponsor, not as cuddly, but those happy digital eyes on the screen, almost as adorable as tuck's puppy eyes. You're gonna wanna go check this out on the site. You'll see what I mean.
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today our guest is Shantel Lott. I said Shantel instead of Shantel, and I was planning on saying Shantel. Uh,