Today on the educational duct tape podcast. I'm joined by Dan Stitsel director of technology at Streetsboro city schools with a 15 year career spanning classroom, teaching tech, coaching and leadership and district technology. Dan brings a wealth of knowledge on innovation and tech integration together. We explore ways to turn whole class review games into engaging formative assessments, including tips on using generative AI to build custom question sets for. Jeopardy quizzes and beyond.
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Now, before we dive in, let's talk about the elephant in the room, or should I say the elephant in the soccer field or football field or baseball diamond or theater stage? It has been over a month, maybe two months since our last episode. Between all the fall activities and games and practices and rehearsals. Uh, I have been busy, so thanks for your patience. As I navigate the dad life and the day job. I'm excited to be in front of the microphone right now.
And I hope to release episodes as frequently as possible in the future. Speaking of updates. I've got something bittersweet to share. You might remember this interactive feature where I invited you the duct tapers to share your thoughts and insights for the podcast. So I was trying to do it. Where. We'd have an episode with an interview. We talk about a topic and then the next episode would be you the duct tapers, sharing your answer to that same question.
Uh, well, after a few episodes, I've decided to let that go. And honestly, I probably should have foreseen this educators are super busy and finding time for you to contribute to a podcast is no small feat. So while we're saying goodbye to this segment, I want to thank everyone who participated. It was such a cool experiment. You shared lots of cool things. Uh, but we're going to retire that I do have a replacement coming in the next episode. You'll learn about that soon.
That said the silver lining is that I'll be able to focus on putting out more regular episodes, less waiting between releases and more of the content you love, or I think you love it. Maybe you just tolerate this content. I'm not sure, but don't worry. I still do want to hear from all of you. You can always connect with me on social media at Jake Miller EDU. Uh, share with other duct tapers on social media, using the hashtag EDU duct tape.
Email me your questions or send me a quick message through SpeakPipe. So while those episodes where we're spotlighting, the duct tapers are being retired. There are lots of chances for you to engage, and you might just be hearing a little more about that in today's soapbox moment. But I do love hearing your thoughts and those connections are what make this community special. Uh, and so please do reach out and share, even though we don't have those dedicated episodes for doing that. All right.
Well that said let's get into today's episode. Longtime listeners of the podcast. First off. Hello, long time duct tapers. And thank you for sticking with me through all of my shenanigans. Anyhow those long time listeners, those people I just addressed right now, might remember something I used to rave about back in the day, the adjacent possible. Now I don't typically repeat soapbox moment topics, but this one is so pertinent right now. I just have to talk about it.
So for the newbies, what is the adjacent possible? Well, if you're a longtime listener and don't want to hear about it again, go ahead and skip like 90 seconds forward. But for the rest of you, it's a concept that I see as really core to this podcast. The adjacent possible is a really cool sounding term, actually that started with evolutionary biologist, Stuart Kauffman. Science teachers, if you had evolutionary biologist on your educational duct tape bingo board for today, you are welcome.
Anyhow, Kauffman explained how in the evolution of living things, new species and traits can only arise from what already exists. Evolution takes one step at a time. In other words, what's possible comes from what's adjacent to it. Kaufman also applies this idea to human creativity and innovation: new ideas emerge by combining existing concepts and building upon what is already known.
Now I'm not a big video game guy, but I like to picture the adjacent possible as the original Legend of Zelda game that I played as a kid. It's the one where Link travels through a map that looks like a series of connected rooms. When Link is in one room, the only rooms he can access are the ones directly connected to it. But when he steps into one of those rooms, then he has new doors to explore. That's kind of how the adjacent possible works.
This idea blew my mind when I first heard about it in the innovator's mindset by George Couros. Couros picked it up from Steven Johnson's where good ideas come from. And Johnson picked it up from Kaufman. That's the adjacent possible in action actually ideas evolving step-by-step one person building on another person's brilliance, and here's where we come to the new part. And those of you who skipped over that 90 seconds: welcome back in. This brings me to Twitter. Or should I say X?
Or more accurately, the artist formerly known as the thriving EDU Twitter community. For a decade, Twitter was the place for educators to connect and to learn and to share. It was an amazing space for ideas to evolve step-by-step demonstrating the adjacent possible. My career path shows the adjacent possible and Twitter was the catalyst of it all.
But let's face it over the past few years, it's felt less like the magical idea sparking space at once was and more like a ghost town with the occasional tumbleweed of inspiration blowing by and more often, honestly, a sandstorm of bots and ads and arguments and clickbait. And look, I'm not here to analyze why it became a ghost town. Not only is this not a political podcast, the reason it happened is moot. Twitter is not the same anymore and I don't need to autopsy it.
What I do need is a new place to connect with educators. Enter BlueSky. So BlueSky is Twitter's adjacent possible. It evolved out of Twitter. And honestly it feels kind of like 2013 Twitter. Full of hope and collaboration and opportunity. And for educators, it's the perfect next room in our adjacent possible. If you join us there, you'll find that BlueSky is a lot like Twitter.
A few key differences is that it gives you more control over what you see and how it's moderated by letting you choose your own algorithms and customize your feed. It's not set up for things to go viral or to sell ads. It's set up for connection and that's what we want it to be set up for. I believe that BlueSky and the #EduSky community can be like stepping through one of Link's doors by making the leap you're opening yourself up to new ideas, connections, and opportunities to share.
And those may not have been possible without entering that new room. And honestly, it's making, learning on social media fun again, at least for me. Now. It's not all sunshine and rainbows. You'll encounter people there with different opinions, but isn't that part of learning?
The good news is BlueSky gives you more control over what you see and engage with than Twitter ever did so when those different opinions go from pushing your thinking, which is a good thing, to pushing your buttons, which is a bad thing, you can make it so you don't see those things anymore. So I hope that you'll join me on BlueSky. Here's what I want you to do. Number one, create your account. Of course.
Number two, follow me @JakeMillerEDU, and number three, fill out the EduSky form that I've linked in the show notes. So Alice Keeler created this EduSky or EduSky group, and this form uh, as a one-stop shop to jumpstart your BlueSky experience. So once you fill out that form, you'll be directed to a spreadsheet. Your name will go into that spreadsheet by filling out the form. And you'll see a whole bunch of other things in there. One of which are starter packs. So that's step four.
Use the starter packs. These are curated lists of educators you can follow with just one click. It's like hitting the skip intro button on Netflix, but instead of binge watching episodes, your binge connecting with educators on social media. That's step four, use the starter packs. Step five, check out the list of EDU chats. Remember Twitter chats. That's a memory that makes me smile right there. They were an early EduTwitter gem: scheduled chats where educators dove into topics in real time.
Well guess what? They're back, but now they're on BlueSky. And so far they've been vibrant and joyful. And step six. Finally, if you're a fan of this show, I'd like to create us a little community on there. So post about the podcast on BlueSky with the #EduDuctTape, I'll see that post and I'll add you to a dedicated listener list so that we could see each other and connect with each other. So in conclusion, why BlueSky? Because it's not just the next step in social media's evolution.
It has the potential to present to us the next step in our evolution as educators. It's where we can learn together and grow together. As part of each others adjacent possible. So, what are you waiting for? Press pause, join BlueSky and step into the next room of your professional growth adventure. Today's guest is Dan Stitzel. Dan has worked for the Streetsboro city schools for 15 years as a classroom teacher, district technology coach, and now as the Director of
Technology . Through these years. Dan has had the chance to present at the district, local, state, and national level on various tech integration tools and strategies and Dan's current tech obsessions are generative AI and computer science. you can connect with Dan by emailing him at D N Stitzel at gmail. com. And as always, that is in the show notes, but not in the show notes actually here in the podcast is Dan. What's up,
Hey, how are you, Jake? Thanks for having me.
I'm doing good. we're like finishing something we started four years ago or something like that. Dan is a half guest in the past. I mean, what do you even call that?
Yeah. It was like the real like 20 minute what's one little strategy and yeah, but it's been a long time.
Yeah. That was 2019 maybe. I feel like with, like when you do, I'm a big SNL fan and you know how they'll have like the three timers club and the four timers club and they get like the special jackets and like John Hamm's been on like seven times or whatever. You're gonna have your like one and a half guest appearances jacket. I don't know what it's gonna be.
I just have a little piece of duct tape, not the whole role. Like it's just like a little, little,
as one sleeve and a half of a
yeah, that's perfect.
something.
That's perfect. It's good for Ohio weather
right. Right. Because in the morning, you're gonna be glad you have the full sleeve. In the afternoon, you're gonna be glad you have the half of a sleeve. That's perfect here in Ohio. Um, I don't even remember the predicament that led to that interview. So, Missy, your colleague in Streetsboro, had been at a workshop that I did, and we recorded an episode. live in person and then I lost the recording somehow. I don't even, I don't know.
Like I, it was probably in the, in the, uh, in between the cushions and my couch or something, I don't know where I lost it to. And then, uh, we were like, we have to, we have to record it virtually. And so we did. And I think Missy needed your help connecting or something like you had it all ready for her while she was
yeah. yeah. And so then it was like, hey,
let's, I was, We're already here.
two for the price of one. Perfect.
Yeah, exactly. Well, they were half, so
Yeah, that's true.
a half, I guess. Because there were just many
I forgot my jacket has one and a half sleeves. That's that's right.
Right. Missy's only has a half of a
True. That's true.
got It's half tank top, half
Yeah, it's perfect.
Uh, we're, we're rambling here, Dan. Um, as you can tell, Dan and I have known each other for years. We're both Ohio natives and like to, meet up at the local ed tech conferences and hang out and chit chat about pop culture and ed tech at the same time, a little more about the pop culture and dad life and a little less about the ed tech, but today we'll talk a little ed
Yes. We have a lot in common when it comes to music and food. So that's what we talk. That's what we talk mostly about tacos and music.
For sure. Um, my most recent concert experience, Dan was Melanie Martinez. Do you know Melanie
I Do not know Melanie Martinez.
not run and look at Melanie Martinez. This was for my daughter. This is my daughter's favorite artist. It was her Christmas gift. It was a trip to see Melanie Martinez and it was a sea of pink in the crowd and just like crazy outfits, but she was giddy. So it was all worth it. So that is not a music that a distaste for that might be a music musical sharing of the two of us. All right, Dan, let's get to some actual educational duct tape.
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as you know, we've got to start off with. Two truths and one lie. This is a lot of
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okay. You're whole team. Okay. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm going to mess up the game. Cause that's what I always do.
All right. Here we go.
Okay. Whenever you're ready.
Number one. I was born in Kent County, Michigan, and then I moved to Ohio when I was two years old, and then 16 years later, I went to Kent State in Kent, Ohio for my undergrad. So, born in Kent county Michigam
Okay.
and then I moved to Ohio, and then I went to Kent State in Kent, Ohio. So, lots of Kent. All right. Number two. When I was born, my parents could not agree on a name for me, so they let my four sisters name me. So, they And in true late 1980s fashion, I was named after Ralph Macchio's character of Daniel LaRusso from the Karate Kid. And, so, and then my third here is, you're actually, currently talking to royalty.
I was crowned the 2004 King of Hearts at my high school Valentine's dance and the Queen of Hearts is now my wife.
Okay, I believe the third one, for sure, because you just got Riz, as the kids say nowadays. And I'm 99. 5 percent sure that you and your wife were high school sweethearts. So I'm, I'm believing that one. Um, the second one, I even forgot, I forgot what the second one
second one? is that, uh, my sisters named me after Daniel LaRusso from the Karate Kid.
So, I know, like, there are a lot of sisters in your family, so I know that much, so I believe that part. Is it four? I don't know. Um, what I'm questioning is, Was the karate kid out before you were born? That seems a little bit, that's close, right? It would be, it would certainly been super hot if it was, you know, like, like they, Ralph would have been, you know, people have been pretty pumped about Ralph and I've never heard you mention Michigan before.
So I think I'm doubting both of those. I think the first one is the lie.
Ah,
I think, I think that's the
I thought I had you. I really did.
you did. I was like, I was like, I was struggling. I was struggling there.
I really, I, that's, that's an entire lie because I was not born in Kent. I actually had to look up today other Kents. Um, and so I was not born in Kent County, Michigan, and I didn't even go to Kent State.
a Kent County,
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And I was doubting
yeah,
You went, where did you
I went to Bowling Green, so I actually started my lie when I was born in Bowling Green, Kentucky, and then went, to Bowling Green, State University, but I'm like, That's not an entire lie, because I did go to Bowling Green State University, so I had to, like, bring it all back and lie entirely, um, but yeah, Kent County, Michigan evidently is where Grand Rapids is, so it's a pretty populated area. But yeah, I learned some things today coming up with lies, but yeah, you got me on that one. So
But I, but all that matters is that we both learned.
it's true.
we both learned
That's true
I learned new things about you. I, I don't think you knew, I knew you went to Bowling Green. I don't, you probably have told me and I just am not a good listener, as my wife would confirm. Um, I did not know you were named after Ralph Macchio. I didn't even know, I didn't know that those years would have matched up. I thought, I thought Karate Kid was more like later 80s. I thought that was like right at the end of the 80s. So, I'm surprised by that,
Yeah
See, there's a lot of
unless they've just been lying to me my entire life and I was actually just named daniel randomly and then they Connected it later, but but no that that's the story my parents could not agree on a name and so they just let my sisters decide and Here I am. And then, uh, yeah, and I'm, and I am a King, I'm the King of hearts. And actually my mom just got rid of my crown like two years ago. So, um,
do that? Why would she do
I know, or she put it somewhere, but it was hanging up in my old bedroom for, you know, ever.
Now I learned. See? It was worth it. It was fun.
I thought I had you.
Okay. All right. Let's get into some educational duct tape, the real educational duct tape now. So this is a reminder for the folks listening, whether they're new or just, they're like, I haven't listened to this podcast in three years. How does this work? educational duct tape, Dan, I don't have to remind you because you were my talented free editor for my book, educational duct tape. Thank you for that by the way.
But Dan knows the metaphor well, because he's like, had to hear me drone on through the book. not hear me read me droning on about, but educational duct tape is my metaphor that, educational technology is at its best when we use it as a tool to solve problems like duct tape, rather than as the goal of our lesson. So we'll always ask a question that's like teacher wants to do this. What technology or technology related strategy can we use to help us?
So my question for you, Dan, is what tool or strategy would you use to do a whole class review game with formative assessment included? So I want to give a disclaimer here. This might not be. You know, I've learned a lot since I originally started talking about this formative assessment educational duct tape. I don't think review games always give us the richest formative assessment data, right? But the operative word here is we want to do a review game.
We want that fun piece and we will get formative assessment data out of it. So we're not, maybe there's certain tools where we're like, wow, that's an amazing formative assessment tool, but here we're focused on it being a game experience too. So just want to give that disclaimer. So what would you use Dan?
So I love this question because gamification and just making learning fun is always been a big part of my integration. You know, you have to do it meaningful. You can't just throw a game and into the lesson. But your students are still, a lot of them are still young, they're still kids, they're, it doesn't matter how old you are, everybody loves to play a game. Um, the challenge is exciting. And actually, gamification really became something big to me when I went to ISTE in 2019.
I was listening to Josh, who is the founder of GimKit, and it was an excellent speech. He did a great presentation, and he said, you know, basically, and I can't remember his exact words, but he basically said, like, how many of you teachers in the crowd have actually asked your students why they play games? And he's like, someone asked me and I said, because I like the competition. I like this. I like that.
you know, that really resonated because sometimes games and playing games get a negative view because, oh, you know, you're just playing video games instead of doing your work or whatever it might be. But there's a reason that people are drawn to playing video games or, you know, whatever type of game it might be. And a lot of it's the challenge, it's the reward, whatever it might be. So when he mentioned that in his presentation, it stuck with me.
And so I really have tried to integrate gamification as much as possible over the last few years since that presentation, recently with the huge push of AI, it's been, it's become even easier. Yeah. I mean, there are so many tools that just do it so quickly for you. but there's also so many tools that you can still really have the driver's seat you can still like, really control it, and create those games using the content you might already have, or create those games.
with a little, you know, help from whatever chat bot it might be that you're using. so the first strategy I want to talk about is just using your favorite chat, your favorite generative AI to actually generate the questions and then how you can gamify that, and do it all in about five minutes.
Something that I have showed others how to do, staff I work with, or just people in presentations, is I'll open up ChatGPT, or whatever your, you know, chat choice might be, I just always kind of default to ChatGPT, um, and I'll say before you, you know, before you open it up, copy the standard that you have been working with. so whether it's, you know, your, very specific standard, or this overarching. Topic whatever it might be, come in with the information.
So what I like to do is I because I taught language arts for 10 years, so my mind always goes to the 8th grade language arts standard. Is I copy and paste the 8th grade language arts standard for figurative language and connotative meanings and I tell the chat. I just want to say like, hey, please create 40 questions for eighth grade students for the following standard. And then the really big thing is you want to make sure that you put in there.
Please make sure each question has a specific answer because a lot of these generative AI tools will do open ended questions, which are great. They're awesome for discussions, and they're really, you know, open ended questions, and those, you know, extended response questions are extremely important, but if you're trying to gamify, you want something that has a pretty specific answer.
So I always make sure I say like, please make sure that each question that you generate also has a specific answer so I can really evaluate it. you know, in best practice, I always say, like, as a teacher, you do need to go back and make sure that, yes, that is the right answer. don't ever just push something out because You know, chat GPT says it's right. You ultimately still need to make sure it is right. And then what's nice about that is it will
and I think if you prompt really well to You can eliminate some of that stuff where you get like maybe questions that are irrelevant. Like I can imagine going into AI and asking it to generate, I don't know, some formative assessment questions relating to some historical events and it giving me questions about Locations of things or the years they happened in that we might not really care about, you know what I mean? Like, I don't need to assess the kids on those kinds of things.
So I think if I'm really deliberate about the way I prompt it, I can avoid those things. But then you're right. I then needed to go back and check it for, for accuracy. both in terms of like, is it asking the right questions and giving the correct answers, but also is it asking the things that you really need to ask the learners? I think those things are super important.
And I would advise to, Good, really good advice on your end to say, like, not just build me formative assessment questions about, whatever the language arts topic you mentioned was, which was above my head, but actually giving the entire standard, right? Not just like, give me questions about mitosis, but give it like giving them the whole standard of what you need to know about mitosis in there so that they gear those questions.
But I'd go even further and say, if you have Some kind of list of things that you know that goes with it that you just copy or paste in maybe out of your, uh, planning guide or something like that, that's going to really hone those questions that asks, like, for example, you know, as you know, I do a lot of work related to personalized learning nowadays, and we recommend that teachers, if possible, write out learning progressions, which shows as the kids progress in their
learning, they're going to start here and then they're going to master these. Skills and then these skills and then these skills all the way up till they're at mastery. Like if I could say like, here's the learning progression, then it could give me questions that relate to all levels. And I could really start to know where my class is on it, which I think could be really cool.
So anyhow, so you go into the, the AI, whatever AI chat bot you want is you give it some details on a prompt and say, give me questions that have a clear answer.
yeah. So that's just the beginning stage. So then after I've gone through, I vetted and I've talked to the chat and said, Hey, like remove this question or, you know, whatever, I kind of give those directives, then I simply say, please gamify this, and make each question worth a certain amount of fake money. and then I said, I'll take a little further and say, in order to win the game. My students need to have a thousand dollars.
So then what it's doing now is it's taking those questions and it will generate it takes my advice and then it generates those questions in an order of kind of level one all the way up to Let's say level 10 and level one questions are worth like 20 Level three questions are worth 40 and then all the way up to level 10 where they're worth 90 So, the students, you know, so what it's doing now is it's giving them a little more of that motivation They see
that money sign there You And it's fake money, you know, I'm not passing out thousand dollars to all my students, but it's giving them a goal at the end They're saying okay in order for me to show that I've kind of mastered this. I understand it.
I need to Reach that one thousand dollar point and I can go through and I can you know Do all the level 123 questions kind of as like to get me ready, or if I feel pretty confident, I can almost jump to those level six, those level seven, those level eight questions where they're worth more money, because I can still get myself to that thousand dollar endpoint. so it's taking. You know, and what you said is wonderful.
If you have more information, if you have all the notes, you have that learning progression, yeah, throw that in there because it's super specific. But if you're just starting from a standard, what it did is it took my, you know, where I just said, hey, create 40 questions based on this standard. Then I went through, I vetted those. Then from there I told, you know, told the robot, the chat, now let's make a game out of this.
And in order for it to be a game, I need it kind of leveled, and I need there to be, you know, an obtainable, like there needs to be something at the end that I need to reach. And then I even take it a step further as the teacher. to help myself. I just say, you know, after it's already given me all the questions, the answers just so that I can then copy this in an orderly way and print it. I say, can you please put all the questions, answers and point values into a table?
So then what it does for me is I can then go through and quickly see all my 20 level 1 question, my level 2 questions that are worth 40, whatever it might be. So that if I am going through just to kind of double check that, hey, the students really did, you know, hit that 1, 000 mark, whether that's really important or not.
I can, you know, I at least I easily have all those questions and those answers right there, and it also is really, it really helps me then kind of do a second vet of seeing the question and the answer before I do actually push this out to my students. Um, so that's just using like, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes.
cool. Like, like, this is so interesting. So, okay. So when it gives it dollar values or point values, um, how do you, do you feel like it's like, is it random or do you feel like it's being intentional about what's worth more and what's worth
I will say, like, based on the amount of times that I've done this, they do progressively get more difficult, and they get a little more in depth. So, like, for example, the standard I used was to determine the meaning of words and phrases as they are used in a text, including figurative and connotative meanings, and then analyze the impact of specific word choices on meaning, mood, and tone, including analogies and allusions. So, it's a pretty Deep standard. I mean, there's a lot there. so my,
That's not a one lesson plan standard right there.
this is, I mean, when I taught this in eighth grade, we were, we worked on this one standard for weeks. I mean, it was really complex. So level one is kind of, you know, um, we find an example here. what is the connotative meaning of the word home in the phrase a warm and inviting home? So, the answer there is it's a place of, you know, comfort, security, belonging, because it's a warm and inviting home, we get that connotation, that positive connotation out of it.
If we get down to, Like, a level, or jump down, I should say, to Level eight here, in the phrase, the silence was deafening. What is the figurative meaning? So now it's more, the silence was overwhelmingly noticeable. So it's, you know, it, it, I, I feel that it gets a little more complex. Um, and I think too, if, if, What's nice about these generative AI tools is if you don't feel like they're complex enough, you can say right back to the robot.
Hey, could you please make the level eight questions more of, you know, difficult or whatever it might be? I'm not sure what word you'd want to use, but you can have that conversation. You can, you know, you can go back and change that up before you ultimately say this is what I want to give my students as this gamified formative assessment.
And you know what I used to do was I, like, when I first started using like chat, GPT is, I would like take its response and take it somewhere else, like in a doc, and then I would make my changes to it because I was always vetting what it did. But I now realize like, I shouldn't do that outside of chat GPT. I should do that In chat GPT and tell it what I want it to improve so that it's kind of learning from me.
So if you're giving it that feedback while it goes, it's going to get better and better. one like level up that I would even suggest would be to maybe explain to it either a, what the D O K levels are and explain to it. What you mean, what a D O K level question with one question will look like two question will look like three question was like, et cetera. And say, if it's a one it's point value should be between 10 and 30 and two, 40 to six years, whatever. and really.
Really forced the AI to understand what you mean to do by that. Um, And the other option is too, if you did something like giving it a learning progression or proficiency scale, you could say, if it's a question that relates to this level of the proficiency scale or learning progression, whatever term you use for it, that could have X number of points. If it's this, it should have X number of points.
And then really, it probably does a really good job of identifying the points itself, but that could really, drive the quality there. And I love the suggestion you gave to not to totally take over, take this interview away from you here. I love the suggestion you gave of how a kid could say like, you know what? I'm this, I'm going to skip the 10 and 20 point questions. Cause I'm ready for the. 80 point questions, um, because that that's metacognition happening right there.
That's that kid going like, I'm at a high level of understanding here and I'm ready for the higher questions. And so if we really attach that with intention to either the standard or the elements of the standard or D O K, then the kid's doing something pretty awesome there when they think about what level question they want to
Yeah, yeah, and I think it's important to tell those students to like, hey, if you feel like you're confident to go to this level, but then when you're in that level, you're like, you know what? I don't know. Maybe I need to go back and revisit. Like, that's actually a really good thing. That's impressive that you're recognizing that you need to kind of go back to that level two or whatever it might be. So, you know, it's never like, you don't, it's not like a, Hey, you jumped up here.
You can't go back. I mean, that's not life. That's not reality. So like if a student tries to do a higher level question and they're like, you know what, maybe I'm not ready for this, then go back. Try, you know, try the other questions that will help you get to that point. but yeah, it's, you know, and you don't have to use like the fake money. You could use points.
You Um, just, I kinda, I don't know, for me, it's just, if there's, I was always that type of student where, like, I needed to know there was, you know, something I was really working towards. And even if it's a fake thousand dollars, whatever it is, like, I'm still, I can still see that goal and I can still work towards it.
and I, you know, and I can, like we said before, like, you can be that student's like, well, I'm going to just do 10 of these questions or you can be the one that's like, hey, I'm going to focus more on getting to that point. So that's just, you know, and that's using just your generative AI. that's just, you know, for like, like me, I'm really into generative AI right now.
Like I, like you've mentioned in my bio and so I always try to see like what I can do there before, you know, I jumped to some other tool, but, there are so many other ways to gamify in ChatGPT or in other generative AI tools. That's just one that's pretty quick. You can put that standard in, you can talk about it. And I think too, like you said, what's really important is, you know, the more information you give, obviously the better results you're going to get.
Uh, you know, and Alex Kotran from AIEDU, he was giving a speech one time and he said something along the lines of like, these prompts that people are writing, they're not a five minute thing.
Like you can't just, you can't expect a really good, Result if you're just throwing something in for like five minutes Sometimes and sometimes it comes out what you want because if you're giving it all that information in five minutes Like you said you have a save to a doc and you upload that doc whatever it might be But he's like there are people that are writing prompts for hours to get that result They're looking for and so, you know, we have to realize
if we are using these generative tools like this there is going to be some vetting there is additional information is going to be needed But ultimately you can get some really cool results
Yeah. And if you get those results, either in less time than it would have taken you to do it manually or B it's a better result than you would have gotten if you did it manually, then it's worth it. Like we want AI to be super fast, but also we want good quality. Content. And if we do it faster or better, then great. That's wonderful. So what are you doing with these questions? So, so it's created a gamified set. How do you run the game? Like what are you, what's happening next?
you can do it in different ways. you know, some teachers will play it more like a almost like Jeopardy, like as a class activity and they'll, you know, say for a 20 question, you know, whatever it might be. some teachers that I have Done this with they just they post the questions, just like in a Google form or whatever.
And based on the value and the students just take that quick little assessment assessment that way, some will put it into a different tool like Quizizz, where they can then assign values that way, based on the points. So, you know, and I've actually had teachers that will play like around the world, like go like back to like what we used to do as like a review game where, you know, you start and if you get the answer, you can go on to the next one.
So, I would say most of the teachers that I have showed this to do it more of like a Jeopardy style, but it can be an individual activity. It can be, you know, like, again, like you need to work to this value, if they're doing a Jeopardy style again, then, you know, it's not so much as like you need to get to a thousand dollars. That's more if you're having it, it's an individual review. but it can just be presented to students as like, Hey, like here's all the questions.
Here's how much they're worth. You need to get to this point. and then you turn that assessment and however you choose to pass it out.
so it's been, you know, it's been presented in different manners, but using that generative AI to get to that point, Is a time saver and I always say it's having like two brains creating the assessment because it's like you're still the One that's like really driving it, but then you have this like new co teacher that is kind of there to really be like Oh, hey, remember we talked about this or maybe we didn't talk about this and we should add it in so it's kind of nice to have that too.
I think, your suggestions are like, first of all, if you use AI to create this and then do it as a quote, unquote, analog game, you know, you don't use technology for it. Like how awesome is that? That you just like, You really use the technology to make your job easier, but then you did something in class that wasn't on technology because we don't want kids on technology 24 seven, you know? So it's kind of nice that you're doing something non technical technological.
when they do that, the other thing too, is I love your Google form option for this because you can make them not required and let them just answer the ones they want to. And you could use conditional formatting.
To make it so they have to type in the right answer so they could kind of keep track as they go of how many points they have and just submit it when they get enough, you know, like there are ways to, there are ways to hack conditional formatting and forms, but hopefully kids aren't doing that. And then the other thing too, you mentioned putting this into quizizz. Quizziz is really nice. Cause you're going to upload a spreadsheet into it. And so if you prompt.
Chat GPT or Gemini or whatever you're using or Claude, to organize the table, the way that the quizizz organize the spreadsheets, you could just copy and paste it and upload it. Cause quizizz will take, you can identify times or point values. I think when you do that, can't
yeah, you could. Yeah, when you upload that spreadsheet, that's all part of it. So,
Do you know other ones that up that allow uploads? I think blooket does.
I, yeah, blooket does and quizizz. I'm not sure about. The other ones yet, because those are the ones that we use primarily in our district. So I really focus on, like, most of my focus is on quizizz because we did actually purchase it this year. So we really used it a lot, but I know blooket does too.
Yeah. The data with quizizz is
Oh, it's incredible. We've had a lot of our science and math teachers for years. We're like, can we please get this? Can we please get this because?
quizizz has that You know ability to write the math problems in and answer With using those different math symbols that a lot of the other gamified sites don't have And or didn't have and so we finally this year we figured out a way to make it happen and just yeah the data was We used it for Majority of our formative just our quick assessments to see like where our students were at and it was really rich.
Yeah. Yeah. As much as I think that tools like blooket and Gimkit are more fun, um, and they, they have good data if you're in the pro versions, but quizizz, even the free version has really good formative assessment data. I don't want to like choose sides and say like, don't use those ones, but the data and quizizz is just
well, that was gonna yeah, and this is a good segue to because you know, the first tool I talked about was just using you know, your favorite generative AI, but I was going to talk a little bit about quizizz too, because there is with the integration of AI that they pushed out over the last year, creating formative assessments for your students, it has never been easier. I mean, there are a lot of tools that do that now.
I realized that, but we have found really good success using quizizz and it's in the free version, too. So it's not something that you have to pay for, and there's multiple ways of doing it.
So if you wanted to Prompt it you still want it to be the chat engineer and you want to type all those things in you can do that or like you mentioned you can upload spreadsheets You can upload an entire worksheet that maybe you created Years ago that you still and we all have that filing cabinet of like the paper Versions of our work that we still pass out so you can scan that in or whatever and upload it to quizizz and gamify what I love too is something else you can do
is you can just drop a link in so let's say you find a Really great article On National Geographic Kids or whatever it might be, and your students read that article, or you read it as a class, you can drop that link in the quizizz, and it will generate a quiz based on the information that's pulled from that website, and then you still have the power though, it's nice, you still have the power as the, as the teacher, the proctor of that quiz to go in So, yeah.
And make adjustments, you can take questions out, you can, you know, change questions up, you can change the response style, which is really nice. So if it generates questions as all multiple choice, but you want some extended response, or whatever it might be, you can just go in and edit that. Um, which is really, really cool. Another thing I love about quizizz too is using that AI, you can make things more, I can't remember exactly how they word it, but they're more real, I think real world.
So, what you can do is you can press the little AI button and then you can change it so it converts it to a real world scenario. So it might be talking about like A dinosaur that has not existed for a long time, but then it throws it into, Oh, you're visiting a local museum where this dinosaur bone is or whatever it might be. So it puts it into a real world situation for your students, which is really cool. And that's also in the free version.
It just does it super quick because of AI powers there. I mean, there's just, it's incredible what quizizz has done with their AI.
I mean, like the way they're all changing and adding an AI just as like mind
yeah. Well, and that's the thing, like, I love all these tools. Like, I am not picking one over the other. I mean, we are so fortunate to have all these different tools. I just, full transparency, have worked more with quizizz over the last year than the other tools because that's something that we went to, in our district. But it's just watching the advancement of all these different tools. Tools that we've used for so long. All of a sudden they just have changed so much because of AI.
is really, it's really cool to see. It's really cool to be a part of that. I think as someone in ed tech,
a little bit stressful.
Oh, it's definitely stressful, but.
yeah. Quick question. If you're playing, which one is the most fun? which of all of the review game tools you think is most fun?
Oh, I still think Gimkit's the most fun. Just like the,
Which,
just the original Gimkit. Like, I like the original power ups. Um, and I think too, maybe for me, it's a little sense of nostalgia because I remember, like, when I was still in the classroom, like, that was when Gimkit had just come out and I would tell my students we were playing Gimkit and they would, like, flip the desks in, like, a positive way. Like, yeah, they'd all get crazy. And honestly, I always loved Quizlet Live.
Like when the animal groups, like the students would get like super excited. They'd be like, Oh, we're part of the giraffes or whatever. And like, they'd get so excited. But I think personally, Gimkit is the one that I would say to me is like the most fun, just because I don't know, like, I think it started like a different movement. but they're also powerful. They're also great. So I, and Blooket, Blooket has just come in and done so many great things too.
Yeah, I think, I'm a blooket fan the most, but I'd be sad if the others were
Oh, for sure.
all. Like I want to be able to switch back and forth between them all and all the different game modes. Right. But now I'm going to generate my questions using AI. Like what a cool idea to save that time. Cause that was The time intensive part was preparing the game, right? You used to like five years ago, there'd be a game available in the database where you could just like use somebody else's game, but they were not always very good, right?
So if you could go like, Hey, I make this game for me. And then you could just, you know, Put it in, or it's already in there based on if the tool has AI and you just vet it. Like, can you save that time? Get some really good questions out of it. And like we said, give it as much information as you can. So that's as quality as it can be. and you've saved that time. You're getting some good formative assessment information. Your kids are having a blast.
They're being metacognitive as they think about what questions to ask. And do I understand and things like that? that's pretty
Yeah. And I think, you know, like you had mentioned before, like even taking your time coming up with, you know, giving all the information to the generative AI, it's still saving you time from compared to what you used to do. you know, it's still like even looking back, like, you know, six, seven years ago, you know, the amount of time that. And I would love to do it, like make these formatives, make these games for my class.
Like I'd type in every question into, um, Kahoot or every question into Quizlet. And, you know, and it was, and it was great because the students loved it. It was a wonderful way to get that data, to get those formative assessments in a fun way. but now. I mean, that took, that would be, I'd be watching, you know, whatever sporting event was on TV and I'd watch the entire game by the time that 10 questions, you know, Kahoot was done or whatever. But now it's a fraction of the time.
And I'm still putting in more information, information that I had, information from blogs, information from everywhere, cause I can drop those links and whatever I can throw in there. and it's still, it's saving me time and it's just giving me really awesome, questions to ask my students.
Yeah. and I think too, like a kind of a pro tip with anything, any repetitive task you do with AI is to save the prompt so that you can keep reusing it. So once you write that prompt, save it so you can copy it and paste it and just change out the topic and the standard and things like that. Or certainly if you like, for example, I currently am a subscriber to, GPT plus or whatever they call it. And so I could build my own GPTs.
Nice. Yep.
a skill. So I could teach it. I could teach it. D O K. I could teach it. Depth and complexity. I could teach it the way to ask questions. I could teach it the way to assign points. I could teach it that I always want it to be questions valued from 10 to a hundred dollars, and there always needs to be 40 and there always needs to be worth about a total of a thousand as the goal, whatever. and then I could just say. Here's the new standard and learning progression, make me the quiz.
and it can keep learning. I could teach it how to like, what, like, no, not that kind of question. Not this kind of question. Like I could really get it really good, by building it. but if you don't have that, if you're just using a free version, just kind of save that prompt and keep tweaking that prompt to make it better and better so that each time you get
Absolutely. Yeah. And I don't pay for the updated chat GPT, but the recent updates that have rolled out with chat GPT 4 coming through for free, It's, I've noticed just the features that. It was powerful before and I'm, you know, it's just getting more powerful and yeah, it's still, you can still organize it. But I do have an entire folder in my Google Drive that is literally just prompts that I have developed.
And then I can just Copy and paste that prompt in and just change a couple of words, change, you know, the standard, whatever it might be, to get results based on, you know, that, that modified, search. So, yeah, always just save them. I mean, especially like a Google drive or your space is essentially unlimited or very close to it. just make a folder
Yeah. Pro tips. Pro
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Thanks for having me, Jake. This was fun.
I had such a good time chatting with my buddy, Dan. I was expecting him to just be like, oh, I like BlueCat or, oh, I like book it. If he wanted to pronounce it incorrectly. Or maybe he'd say, Ooh, GIM kit is good. And either way it'd be a good answer, but he went and surprised me by reinventing the idea of a class review game formative assessment with a total AI re-invention of the idea really surprised me with that very cool stuff. Uh, I hope you enjoyed it as well.
Before we sign off, let's take a quick look at some ed tech news. That's caught my attention. First up, I keep mentioning canva's updates in this segment this time I want to focus on their entire suite of AI tools, which have been recently enhanced to make your creative process faster and easier. They've added so much stuff. So now they've got magic media magic, right? Magic design, and styles. All of which let you whip up graphics or personalized text or create high quality templates.
While keeping everything on brand. And if you need some inspiration or a quick design tweak, which is what I normally need, I want it to get me started with an idea. And then I like to run with it myself. They've got layouts and resize and magic switch to help you out with that kind of stuff. Plus they've got a photo editor and a video editor that come packed with AI features to perfect your visuals with ease. Uh, so many new additions to Canva. Honestly, I haven't even explored them all.
I need like a week off of work to just sit and mess with all these different tools. Uh, what part of canvas magic studio are you most excited to try? I'd love to hear about it. Connect with me on blue sky, as I mentioned earlier, and let me know about it. Use that hashtag EDU duct tape and tag me at Jake Miller EDU. And let me know, what are you most excited about in canvas magic studio?
Next let's talk about some Googling news, Google added new question types in Google forms for the first time since. No, maybe ever, maybe since the beginning of the tool, I'm not even sure. Anyhow, they've added customizable ratings questions. You can set a specific rating scale and even add fun icons like stars or hearts to make it easier for students to share their opinions and their feedback. Star ratings. What does is Amazon? Uh, this is a great addition though. I'm really excited about it.
And I'm curious, how are you using this in your classroom or school? Again, reach out on blue sky. Let me know all about it. Finally, on the magic school front, they've added a presentation generator to their cornucopia of amazing tools. Every time I go into magic school, I'm like, there's so much stuff in here to look at. It's kind of like Canva. I haven't even seen it all in magic school yet. I use it little star to put my favorites up at the top so I can come back to them.
But there's so many things in there and now there's a presentation generator as well. It can turn topics or learning standards or. Going to upload a Google doc or give it a YouTube video or a link to a certain thing, like a URL. Even give it your lesson plans and it'll turn them into presentations. So you just type it in or Lincoln in or upload your content. Tell it what grade level it's for. Tell it how many slides you want. And it'll generate the skeleton of a structured presentation for you.
It doesn't add any design elements, but it gets the content in there for you. And it does a really good job of it. You should try it out. Uh, I'm curious. I gave you three new updates, three pieces of ed tech news. There. Uh, Canva magic media, Google forms, adding those customizable, rating scales and magic tools, presentation generator. Which one are you most excited for? Uh, head over to blue sky, create that account.
Connect with me, use the hashtag EDU duct tape and let us know which one you're most excited about. All right, that does it for today. I can't wait to connect with you all on blue sky. I hope you're doing well. Thank you for being here. Have a great day.
