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Edge of the Couch

Jordan Pickell and Alison McClearywww.edgeofthecouch.com

Two good friends and experienced therapists explore the topics that were either shied away from or dismissed because they were too big, too nuanced, too risky, or too uncomfortable to address in school or even in supervision. We want to inspire and encourage therapists to think more deeply, show up more fully, and find humour and self-compassion in navigating the messier parts of being a therapist.

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You Have to be a Therapist to be a Therapist

Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.pat...

May 11, 202238 minSeason 3Ep. 13

Saying Goodbye to Clients

The tenderness of termination sessions can be overwhelming for both client and therapist and so this week’s episode introduces listeners to sitting with all that feels raw, how to build ritual into termination, how to collaboratively prepare clients for the end, how to meaningfully and beautifully and genuinely say a unique goodbye to each client, and how to help clients begin the process of starting with a new therapist. There is so much packed into this session, all stuff we wish we had known ...

May 04, 202239 minSeason 3Ep. 12

The Messiness of Therapy - Interview with Tyndal Schreiner

This week, we're joined by Tyndal Schreiner to talk about and normalize how messy therapy can be. From post-session headaches to the reality that the middle part of the therapy journey is unpleasant, she is sharing her wisdom about how to sit with what is unpolished about the therapeutic process. Tyndal Schreiner www.tyndalelizabeth.com @tyndalelizabeth on Instagram Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jo...

Apr 27, 202241 minSeason 3Ep. 11

Take Up Space in Session

Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.pat...

Apr 20, 202238 minSeason 3Ep. 10

Why Therapists Must Go to Therapy

Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.pat...

Apr 13, 202243 minSeason 3Ep. 9

Your Dread is Telling You Something

Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch or share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram @edgeofthecouchpod, email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com, or voice note at speakpipe.com/edgeofthecouch. We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign up. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow...

Apr 06, 202243 minSeason 3Ep. 8

Own Who You Are and What You Need - Interview with Theresa Thomas

Theresa Thomas, RCC is our special guest this week. Topics include: - Her experience as a Black student in graduate school - How she is not everyone's therapist - Bias against survivors of violence - The culture of burnout in a non-profit setting - Showing up for Black clients by grieving together - Recovery from burnout Theresa Thomas www.inpowercounselling.com @inpowercounselling on Instagram Counselling resources on Etsy https://www.etsy.com/shop/inpowertherapytools Alison McCleary www.alpeng...

Mar 30, 202242 minSeason 3Ep. 7

How to Do Free Consultations

Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign up. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.pat...

Mar 23, 202241 minSeason 3Ep. 6

Chitchat Isn't Therapy

Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign up. Join us on Patreon for bonus content at www.pat...

Mar 16, 202235 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Anti-fat Bias in Therapy -- Interview with Alexandra Shewan

Alexandra Shewan www.selkiecounselling.ca @selkiecounselling on Instagram Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch i...

Mar 09, 202243 minSeason 3Ep. 4

The Insidious Nature of Competitiveness

"The therapy space is oversaturated. You're going to have to fight for clients" is just one of the messages Alison and Jordan received in grad school. Some therapists brag about how burned out they are, how marginalized their clients are, how many sessions they squeeze into the week. Students are actually pitted against each other when applying for internships. Do you recognize that burning feeling of envy in yourself? Do you ever want to take someone down a peg? In this episode, we talk about t...

Mar 02, 202236 minSeason 3Ep. 3

Finding Your Theoretical Orientation

Alison and Jordan talk about the importance of your theoretical orientation-- when it matters, when it doesn't matter so much, and when it straight-up gets in the way. They talk about their own journeys in finding their theoretical orientation and how they make room for it to continue to evolve. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch...

Feb 23, 202240 minSeason 3Ep. 2

When Things Go Sideways

In this first episode of Season 3, Jordan and Alison discuss when things go sideways in a session (or before a session!) This topic is for counselling students and new therapists who tend to plan their sessions out to the letter. Listen to Jordan and Alison speak about their own experiences, and prepare yourself to stay grounded no matter what happens in the clinical hour! Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling...

Feb 16, 202243 minSeason 3Ep. 1

Holding onto Hope

In this Season 2 finale, Jordan and Alison discuss the ethic of practicing hope, how to support clients through despair, and what happens when we as therapists are disconnected from a sense of hope. Thank you so much for listening this season! We will be back with new episodes in February. Do you have ideas for next season episode topics? Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpicke...

Jan 12, 202245 minSeason 2Ep. 16

Religion, Spirituality, and Ghosts

This week's episode comes with a content warning: Mention of abortion, conversion "therapy" In our very first episode recorded in person, Alison and Jordan speak off the cuff about relating to clients who have very different belief systems than you. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have pa...

Dec 08, 202148 minSeason 2Ep. 15

How to Leave Work at Work

In this episode, Jordan and Alison help new therapists navigate setting boundaries between work and home life, which is particularly difficult when you work from a space off your bedroom! Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management softwa...

Dec 01, 202146 minSeason 2Ep. 14

Rupture and Repair

In this episode, Alison and Jordan talk about mistakes they have made, how sometimes one person feels a rupture while the other person doesn't, and the need to apologize when we have messed up (but not for being a human.) Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram We have partnered with Janeapp, an all...

Nov 24, 202143 minSeason 2Ep. 13

Reframing Our Fear of Failure and Embracing Mistake Making - Interview with Kat DeFatta

We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, use the code EDGECOUCH1MO at the time of sign-up for a 1 month grace period. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram Join us on Patreon for b...

Nov 17, 202134 minSeason 2Ep. 12

The Beautiful, Powerful Art of Self-Disclosure

We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, use the code EDGECOUCH1MO at the time of sign-up for a 1 month grace period. Alison McCleary www.alpenglowcounselling.com @alpenglow_counselling on Instagram Jordan Pickell www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram Edge of the Couch www.edgeofthecouch.com @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram Join us on Patreon for b...

Nov 10, 202148 minSeason 2Ep. 11

Progress Notes: Often Stressful, Sometimes Dangerous

Progress notes are one of the most tiresome and stressful parts of being a therapist! While completing notes can feel like trying to catch the wind in a net, never quite being able to complete them all, a therapists’ notes (even minimal, even incomplete) hold a lot of power. What is in a note can have huge consequences for how we view the client and in the absolute worst case scenarios, notes can be held against clients in horrible ways. So what should a therapist write in a note? What should th...

Nov 03, 202127 minSeason 2Ep. 10

Practicing Joy and Play for Collective Liberation - Interview with Ji-Youn Kim

In this episode, Jordan interviews Ji-Youn Kim. Ji-Youn (she/they) is a justice-oriented therapist in the pursuit of collective liberation, located in what is colonially known as Vancouver, Canada. She aims to disrupt oppressive practices of the mental health industry and its complicities, and envision new ways of mental health care rooted in community and collective healing. She also deeply believes in liberatory rage and embodied liberation as a process, co-facilitating workshops on Processing...

Oct 27, 202144 min

I passed a client on the street! Should I say 'Hi'?

This week’s episode is all about how we manage the moments when we see a client outside of the therapeutic space-the good, the bad, and the uncomfortable. Big takeaways include inviting you to consider your personal policies, even if you live in a big city and don’t expect to see clients often; how to talk to clients about instances when you do see them out and about; and how to make sure you don’t stop living your life out of fear of a client seeing you! We'd love to hear from you. Send us an e...

Oct 20, 202144 minSeason 2Ep. 8

Multiple clients owe me money. Now what??

This week’s episode is all about the toughest, most awkward, anxiety-inducing, resentment-building money topics! Probably surprising to no one here, our programs don’t always prepare us for how to best manage these tricky moments and so Alison and Jordan share their tips and tricks for navigating a variety of situations. Littered throughout the episode are also some throwback hilariously mismanaged stories to normalize how sometimes we really have to mess it all up to learn how to do it well. We...

Oct 06, 202140 minSeason 2Ep. 7

Talking to Clients about Sex

We may know why a client talks about sex, but we don’t always know how WE will feel when that happens. As sex-positive or sex-neutral as we aspire to be, there can be topics, words, or stories that make us uncomfortable or maybe even giggle. In this episode, Alison and Jordan remind listeners that they, like all therapists, MUST do their own work around sex and sexuality, they share their stories of talking to clients about sex, and they double down on the importance of being open to whatever a ...

Sep 29, 202139 minSeason 2Ep. 6

Celebrating Humanness in the Therapy Room and on Social Media - Interview with Taylor Broughton

Alison interviews Taylor Broughton about how she approaches her 100% online practice, building rest into her schedule. Together, they explore the emerging trends in the field, particularly in the UK context. Taylor talks about emphasizing humanness in the therapy room and on social media. You can find Taylor on Instagram @NotBrokenJustHuman. We have a workshop coming up on October 16th called What Now? Transitioning from Student to Therpist. You can find more information and purchase tickets her...

Sep 22, 202144 minSeason 2Ep. 5

What the heck happens in first sessions anyway?

For brand new therapists, first sessions are DAUNTING! Where do I sit? What if the client is late for the session? What is the first question I ask? What if the client asks me about my experience? What if the client cries? Do I just read this consent form out loud to the client? How do I end a session? In this week’s episode, we hope to give you some encouragement, perspective, and a few tips for those first sessions, as a new therapist and beyond. We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at...

Sep 15, 202136 minSeason 2Ep. 4

Moving Through Client Stuckness

Jordan and Alison talk about what comes up for them when clients feel they aren't making progress in their therapeutic work. It can bring up many layers of thoughts and feelings in us as therapists. Especially for folks new to the field, it can make you doubt your worth as a therapist. Alison and Jordan offer nuggets of wisdom about what might be going on when a client feels stuck, and how to move through it. We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can lea...

Sep 08, 202140 minSeason 2Ep. 3

Re-imagining therapy - Interview with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy

This week, Jordan interviews Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy of the Modern Therapist Survival Guide podcast about their upcoming conference, Therapy Re-imagined. Listen what they have to say about "rebel therapists", the direction they would like the therapy field to move, and how we can resist the corporatization of therapy. You can save 10% on a conference ticket using the code EDGEOFTHECOUCH10. We are proud to partner with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more ...

Sep 01, 202139 minSeason 2Ep. 2

The Myth of Dressing Unprofessionally

In this first episode of the second season of Edge of the Couch, Jordan and Alison break down what it means to dress “professionally” as a therapist. As a student or new therapist, it’s hard to know what to wear to present yourself as trustworthy and competent. Before you put on a therapist costume, listen to this episode! We have partnered with Janeapp, an all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at Jane.app/mentalhealth . Or, if you are ready to get started, use the code EDG...

Aug 25, 202131 minSeason 2Ep. 1

As therapists, do we become desensitized to trauma stories?

In this BONUS episode, we answer a listener question: "As therapists, do we become desensitized to such serious issues (e.g. suicide and self harm)? How do we check in with ourselves around it?” We'd love to hear from you. Send us an email at connect@edgeofthecouch.com to tell us what you think, ask a question or let us know what type of episode you'd love to hear. You can even send us a voice note for us to play in a future episode. You can support us by giving us a review on Apple Podcasts, sh...

Jun 23, 202114 min
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