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things that he's involved with, promoting things podcasts. Plus he's got some pretty good encounters that I think we can give a listen to because every little bit of detail that he can give us that somebody out there in the woods might here, see, smell, you know, what not feel, might add a little bit to the what their experience and then make them a little bit more aware of what's going on out there in the woods or whatnot. But yeah, our mods, this Diane and Cashew, the heart

and soul of our page right now. They're the only thing that's keeping us from crashing. And I want to thank them out there and all the subscribers that out there and the people in the chat that follow us. So we've been getting a lot of support late and I we really appreciate more than I ever expected, but it's it's nice to have. So I want to thank all them people out there for that. So let's go ahead and bring Daniel on and let's get the show started because he's got a lot of things that he

can talk about. Welcome Daniel, how you But.

crunching snow. It's finally starting to melt just a little bit. But yeah, I mean the roads are all clear.

to the owners and they were very cool. They were totally all for me putting my little meeting there because yeah, some of my research team we're going to be attending there, and we're hoping anyone all set wants to come out within the surrounding area or whatever. It's a free event. The only thing that's going to cost you is to buy off the menu if you want to eat, uh, eat with us. Uh. Their menu is very cool. They've

got some very tasty stuff on there. But the title of their menu it's all big foot en cryptied bean food items. So nice. Uh?

in Lexington, Virginia. So that's what we got coming up for the next month. Of course, jumping ahead, uh up to the month of May. I host group campouts twice a year. The group campouts we do expedition. Uh it's you expbedition style. We can't h we hike and explore. Uh you know, we you know, we we put all our gizmos and gadgets to the test, you know, you know, and uh, one way or another, we always experienced something. Uh, you know, it may not be always exciting from one

year to the next. I mean, you just never know what to expect when you have these campouts. But our campouts are in areas where there's been reported sightings. It's very remote on the most part. Uh, Like there's one area that we're currently working right now that we were we were at back in October where reach there in May. So yeah, we definitely we've already been in discussions of what we want to do during that camp out. We're going to do some uh specialized what I call steakouts.

Our group, our camp out, our base camp. It's out there in the woods, but it's also into opening so to get more our steakouts will be a little bit further into the woods where you actually got to get deep into the woods, I mean, don't get wrongs where you're Even though it's in an open area where our camp is, you're still pretty far out there because it takes you a good way to get out to that open spive. Then of course from there you've got to go further beyond a fun fact about our last group

camp out. Now, yeah, we came across some very cool stuff, interesting structures and stuff like that, some possible tracks. However, during the end of the camp site, my good friends Melissa and David were still there at camp, and then there was another couple that came down from Pennsylvania that were camping with us. Well, that couple decided to, you know, ride from camp the head down to the lake and then there's a gate. Once you drive down through the

woods on this gravel road. You got a park of this one little gravel spot. There's a gate there. And then of course the lake is so far so farther back, you've got to hike your way back there because they don't allow people to drive back there. However, when they were pulling into the campsite, I'm sorry, I have a brain fart trying to remember her name, but Paul's wife went while her husband was pulling his truck in the park,

she was already looking over and looking at something. And keep in mind, she does not get out into the woods. She doesn't understand whild life. She don't know, she's never really seen much of what it looks like and how it's presented in the wild. She might have seen things on TV, but to see things in person is a whole different story. Her claim was like, she's telling her husband, oh my gosh, there's a bear over there. There's a bear. There's a bear right there, and she didn't know that.

She didn't share the details of this information. So after they left and got back to camp, I started talking with David and Melissa, and when she started sharing these details, her husband's like, you didn't tell me this information. Basically, what she saw when she was looking over her shoulder as her husband was pulling in to the right, she's looking over towards the gate and she's keep in mind

again she thinks it's the bear. She sees this bear standing there on two feet behind the tree, and next thing other, she's like, she's got her eyes locked on it and she's seeing it, watching it. And from from where it was standing, she saw it run on two feet so fast and across that little fourth road into the embankment and down through the woods. And you know,

I went off with this beard. And the thing is, you know, for anyone to understands black bears, we all know that they are capable of they are able to stand on two feet. They've been known to walk on two feet, which is not that common, right, But the way she described the speed was super fast and being on two feet standing up, everybody on a camp was like, whoa wait a minute, are you sure it was on two feet and it ran real fast? You did not see a bear and she described it it was the

most six feet tall. So I learned about this, and they actually went back there and actually did a video reenactment, well not not really a reenactment, but in the explanation at the location we're having. They sent me that video. Uh, after I learned about this, they sent me the video

where Paul was recording his wife. I actually included in our last little the film that I put together of that whole camp out with our investigation and everything, and so yeah, there's details at the end of that film. And so yeah, I'm kind of excited because, you know, the thing is this particular location before I have ever

camped there before. Well, I've actually camped there once several years ago before we actually did our group camp out there, but I've learned of various reports of sightings from bear hunters that have seen them and then other reports from people claim to see them on or Actually I had a group of young guys thirty forty miles away in

another area off camped in. They saw my vehicle, my Chevy Blazer that I had with my details on it, and I guess they felt the urge to stop and talk to me, and they pull out their phone and pull out this picture. And here's a picture of a trackway and we in snow, maybe only a couple of inches deep on this road, and there's how probably the best look of tracks I've ever seen, and very clear, just thing you can tell. These things are huge and they're going down on the edge of this road, and

I'm thinking maybe it was something nearby. I said, wait a minute, I asked him. I said, where are they from? They named the location. It's like my job on drop because at that point I've already camp there once. And I said, are you serious. So there's there's definitely a bigfoot or we could say a monster, because these things

are huge. Based off of what I've seen on this picture, there was a long trackway on this road and that road is just on just on the outside of where we can so, uh, yeah, there's there's some very interesting activity that happens there. I mean, I've heard stories of mountain lions up there, people have people have seen mountain lines up there. I mean I have seen a black panther or if you want to call it camp I see a black cat, you know, in my main research

area in twenty fifteen, so I know they're around. So so yeah, I kind of went off course. I explain what we got going on here. We're talking about the camp out and everything, but I wanted to share that because that's something I learned to after. Yeah, I don't apologize.

I feel like that's almost like a turn because we come across that a lot in some of our research areas where we're like, I want to get to that set of trees, but it's a quarter mile away. It's it's you know, it's it's a half a mile away. You can see it, and it looks like an amazing area, but it's all sun the entire way, you know, and you got to come back through and whatnot. It almost seems like.

forests are joined to it. However, if you look at the pattern or the territory of the George Washington National Forest right here in Virginia, which is over one hundred and thirty or one hundred and thirty plus thousand acres of land, and that doesn't include the other territories that are connects to you, like West Virginia and other forests running the other states down south well well throughout the

national forest. You know, it depends on what area because there's a lot of different branches of the National Forest. Like in my my main location, you could go in there. You've got the main Force road that runs through there. Uh, then you have these primitive camp sites, and then of course you have these other roads that branch off, but you have to park and hype them in because they're not made for you know, there's laws because there's gates

there said no vehicle will be on this point. You know, foot traffic only, blah blah blah. Foot traffic. That includes if you're hiking or if you're on horseback. They welcome horseback riders as long as there's no motorized vehicle. And yeah, there's a lot of that up here in Virginia, you know. And I don't care where you go, what part of the National courts you go, you're gonna find these. And there's gates. There's very few, Like in my main area.

There's this gate. Well, I should let me back up. There's this there's one particular road it goes up into a high ridge. Now there's a gate on both ends, and they do open them up only mainly during when there's hunting seasons on you know. So yeah, because on the one end, there's no driving up if you've got it, because the way it goes up at a sharp angle

straight up the gates right on the bottom. So if that gates closed, you better find a place somewhere nearby the park and then go hike up it unless you're on the other end. The other end is a few miles out. If you go all the way around to come back on it the gate, you could drive up a little further until you hit that gate. But yeah, a lot of these roads have gates in them, but like I said, there's only one gate one road that has the access to open up throughout the different times

a year. Other than that, all these other gates stay closed some of them. The only ones that have access to them are your forest service people. You know, uh, maybe you're our emergency staff. If somebody went hike in and got hurt up there, and they you know, had some kind of call or hey, so and so is up this low. Of course they have all their off road gear equipment right up there. But which I've only seen that happen one time so far. Hopefully nobody else

does nothing stupid to get hurt or whatever. But yeah, because people do go out there and they know they're in a remote area, they can do what the heck they want on the most part, especially when they want to avoid or disregard the laws, you know, in safety rules because you're in it. You're out there in the forest. There's wild animals out there, and and the terrain. Uh, it's depends on where you're hiking or venturing into. The terrain is not safe, you know. You know. So, so yeah,

there's a lot of that out there. But yeah, I study a lot of these areas off of geographical map as well. Like some of the areas I've been to you, I was like, I want to see what it looks like on a geographical map, and also there's other areas I have not been into. You So when I'm studying these of these maps or the layers of the terrain, I was like, wow, okay, this looks interesting. You know. It's you know, if I was a big foot, where

would I be hiding? You know. So I'm looking at deep terrain, deep in these you know, these hallows between these ridges, and look at Okay, there's water source there. These are the areas I want to go vet your in, you know, I feel like I'll find something there, you know. So yeah, I do a lot of research of studying, of observing the maps uh. And on occasions I'll look up I'll go on Google. I'll go on Google and actually look up Google Earth of these locations. Sometimes you

might you might find something I've heard. On some rare occasions, I can't say I have, but I've had others look on Google Earth claim to have seen these images on there that could be possible bigfoot. I mean, uh, I'm not gonna say it's not, but you know, I was like, how do you know they're big?

the other on the outside of my tent. I was just waking up, you know, and I was waking up. I was like, the hell and I was trying to you hear front and then you hear the paths of it run off, because I think I spooked it. When I was like, I was more, I was still waking up. So you know, you know when you wake up in the morning some night you're if you kind of drag me and you're making your grunts noise and stretching or whatever you're doing to wake up. I think, you know,

it was right there because I woke up. I was, I was alert enough to hear you can hear sniffing, you know, and then so I was like till I made my noise out and then you hear like I was like, and then you hear the paths run off real quick.

So yeah, bears sniff around. I mean, you know, because you know, most of the time, they're usually more active at night. But most of my bears, I have seen them during the daytime. So like they say, bears are more nocturnal, it's not only the case. Again, most of my sightings and bears were during the daytime. I've seen them run outside of other people's campsites at night. But you know, so, yeah, my area. What's that I said?

to me and introduced something to me. He has a studio here in Virginia and he's he does a podcast and the name of his company it's a it's a company and a podcast studio. It's called Media Squatch. And when he started presenting this to me, he started explaining a few things and gave me, hey, I want to throw this out there. I want to throw the invitation out to you, blah blah blah. And next you know, I was like, Okay, I'm really liking the idea of this.

I'm really liking this because I'm not in this like for the money, so there's no money involved. Anyway. My biggest thing is spreading awareness and putting the word out there. The more we could do that excellent And that was the biggest part of why I decided to join with his network again, Media Swatch. My my podcast is e c v r O Bigfoot Radio. Now. For the longest time, I you know, I was doing the video podcast just like this, and I decided to start charting my podcast

into on the turning into the radio platform. So a lot of my video platform podcasts I just started abtracting the audios from them and then use and towards my radio. So now since I started back for the new year, it's strictly all audio. I still use like the same platform that you're using. I still use at myself and then when they're done, I upload the audio to E C,

b R or Big Pot Radio. But yeah, we officially just got everything moved over to his platform where you can still listen to everything on your favorite podcast platform. It still gets distributed on you know, Spotify, all your Apple podcasts, iHeartRadio, Pen Door and so forth. So but we end up you know again, I just decided to

join forces with him on media Squatch. And as I was telling him, I said, when time permits, when I'm mad him to, I want to come down to a studio because his studio is not just a studio, it's kind of like a from what I've seen, he kind of turned into a kind of like a souvenir gift shop. You know. Uh, he's got merchandise for sale there he has his own store. He's got tons of shirts and merchandise, which he actually sent me a few so I'm waiting for that. They should be here very soon. So and uh,

he he put together some artwork for me. I showed him what I already had going on, and then he says, I want to put something together for you. If you like it, that's cool, we can go with it. Or he said no hard feelings, we don't. We leave it alone if you want. But he presented to me what he did today, and I was like, dude, this is badass. I love this. Let's do this, you know. So so yeah, he's gonna actually end up putting on shirts for me to promote, you know. And uh so yeah, I'll put

we put on shirts. Perhaps we'll sell them out my event in June here in Virginia. But yeah, e C. B r Oor Bigfoot Radio again. It can be heard on any of your favorite podcast platforms, you know. Uh, I still use my YouTube channel. I try to mainly use my YouTube channel now for research purposes, field videos, any Bigfoot documentaries that I plan on putting together. One of the things, like with our last camp out, I actually put to get well they ain't the only one.

I've done a couple of them independently. I put together my own documentaries. Uh you know, a lot of it was filmed with Like my two documentaries, they were filmed usually just use my phone, and I actually surprived myself. I thought I did pretty good, was just using my phone. However, I have I've had a camcorder, a really nice camp order. I just haven't really put it to use much since I've owned it, but I'm working on putting that more to use, kind of getting familiar with that camp order.

It's a Canon a X one ten row. It's like a seventeen dollars camera that I got a real good deal on. I took a chance and gambled. I bought it used nowhere near that price, trust me. But again I took the chance and started playing around with it, started using it, and I am extremely impressed with it. I said, you know, for the price of what this goes for a brand new and for what I paid for it, I said, you can't be any happier. It's

it's nice. It's even got built in night vision, so the night VISI on it is good if you're up close, you know, and It works pretty good, but it's I used my I have external night vision devices that I could add to that, to add to it and actually puts out there over twenty thirty feet you know, from doing close parts. Yeah, and it works great as long as you have a device that's you know, IR cap

you know, uh, with capabilities. You can add extra attachment to it which will project and prighten up and add more distance. So that's what I did. So, yeah, we did a little bit of that. I used a little bit on the last group camp out back in October and which I did a lot of the filming right around it, mainly around the campsite. I did not take the camera out in the woods too much, you know, I just kept it. Like I said, I mainly used it around the campsite area while we were sitting around

the fire. I did one of my interviews with another individual at night with it. Most of my interviews I try to do them during the day. I thought, hey, let's whe now, let's let's do one at night. I think that'll look cool on here, you know. So yeah, but that's pretty much what I've been doing with you know, ecd R big Foot Radio podcast, and like I said

talking going back to the whole camp out there. Our next camp out in May, we will be doing some more filming where you actually got to fill our film project actually taking place during that time where our filming is going to start taking place, we are working on a YouTube series. It's going to be basically a documentary style documentary series. You know, we want to see how that pans out. If it goes in our favor, they will. There's another network that we've been talking to after we

put together what we got. If it's something it's good enough for them that they get picked up under their network. So so we'll see. It's kind of one of things we got to be careful and take our time and you know, and uh kind of play it by ear. But there's a lot going on with that then. Of course, as far as other events go, my annual ECBRO Virginia Big Book Conference, it happens every June. This year is happening June twentieth and June twenty first. It's a two

day event. I mean, I've been getting blown up with speakers now that we're I'm not excuse me, not speakers, vendors. Our speakers are already accounted for We already got them booked, but vendors. My emails have been blown up with vendors. People want to sign up left and right. So as of right now, we got we already got like twenty vendors right now, and we got room for a lot more. I mean, the indoor space is being filled up. Yeah. We we have a venue. It's an indoor it's a

very large building. We have indoor vendors upstairs or where the speakers take place, and then we have outside. We're going to be filled up the out side before long with vendors. We had a nice setup last year with the vendors, but this year we're having a mid evil renaissance group come in. They're gonna have a couple of setups on the inside. However, on the outside they're gonna be setting up I'm gonna have I'm gonna have them placed in the middle of all the vendors outside. You know,

I've never been to a renaissance fair. I've always wanted to go check one out. But this got presented to me by someone who organizes a group of renaissance individuals and they do a lot of reenactments. They dressed the part well they want to put on battles and demos, and I was like, whoa. They set me, you know, set me pictures of what it looks like what they're doing. So I'm gonna put together a promo flyar for that. And I think that alone is going to bring in

a crowd itself. I'm kind of I'm pumped up and excited to see that. I think once the public starts seeing that, hey, wait a minute, this is a big Foot event and they're they're going to be they're having this too. You know, I want something for everybody, you know, I don't want just like you know, I do whatever it's possible to bring in skeptics. I don't care if you're a believer or not. I want everybody to enjoy themselves. You know, this is a community event that's grown. I

mean we've had guest speakers from out of state. We've had attendees from out of state, you know. I mean we get people from Washington State on Texas. Yeah, We've had Florida come up. You know. So most of my speakers this year are all coming down from Pennsylvania. I think we have a shoot. I think they're all from Pennsylvania. I can't think right off the top of my head, but I know three out of the four. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm missing somebody, but I know three

of them. Maybe four of them are coming from Pennsylvania.

be staying focused on here. As promoting and marketing to the event, I'm going to be doing this a lot more than I did last year because last year I did not promote my Virginia event as big as I should have, only because I was actually hosting and putting on an event in Pennsylvania for the first time. That event got more attention than anything, and we had a very beautiful successful turnout there. Again, all my attention went to that event and I failed too cool neglect my

Virginia event. Although we get out of we had a turnout, but not as big as what we normally do. So yeah, but this year, I think I feel very positive. I think some big things are happening. Uh, we'll see what happened here. Yeah, I'm feeling very positive about it. I really am, considering I've had some situations personally going on that put me down on a damper. You know, I see some good things happening, you know, all around.

those who were included in this. You know, most people, when you hear about the reports or their sightings, it's usually just a one on one thing or maybe somebody else was with them. But my I twenty fourteen encounter, this is my visual encounter. I mean I've had other experiences along the way and here and there, but for a visual this was the only visual I could ever

really account for it. So during my twenty fourteen group camp out, there were six of us that that was part of the camp out, you know, and the campout was for a whole week long and May third, twenty fourteen, after the group of us were spending time out in the woods doing some hiking during the daytime exploring. We decided by the time we came back to camp, hey let's rest, let's kind of relax, get something to eat, and you know, we more or less, you know, pretty

much chilled out there at camp. Well, somebody brought up I forget who it was, but somebody brought up like, hey, hey, let's go out tonight. And of course I was all for it. I mean, I was like, yeah, we're here for We're here to explore, We're here to investigate. You know, we're gonna have fun with I'm sorry, I'm sorry about that. I kicked my try Yeah, I had my phone sitting on my tripod and I kicked it over. So but yeah, so yeah, like I said, uh, I said, yeah, we'll

do that for sure. So I want to say it was in the evening, but it was still daylight when when we decided to step away from camp, uh, you know, leave camp. We got together again. It was in the evening, it was still daylight, and what we decided to do is there's a lake in the area. The lake was almost a mile from where our camp was, so we just sat out on foot head down to the lake, and we decided, yeah, why not, let's just walk down there and head down there. And what was nice about it.

By the time we got down there, we realized there was nobody there because usually there's people fishing, but there was not one person out there. So I was like, man, this is awesome. We got this whole lake to ourselves. So what we did we decided, okay, let's split up, and we split up in Paris of two because we had a couple that came all the way down from Vermont, Kimmy and Darren and less Darren still he's actually no longer here now. Yeah, he actually passed away about a

year ago. But anyway, Kimmy and Darren was with us, and it was me, a gentleman by the name of Cliff Stanley, my buddy Tracy Arnold, and his son, his son Elijah there. He was only about fourteen at the time. So the six of us, yeah, we spread around the lake, and Kimmy and Darren, we we let them stay. At the beginning of late there's actually a little peninsula that goes out and well it used to be a bed share.

Ben is no longer there. I don't know somebody destroyed that thing, but it was nice to have out there. But uh, anyway, by the time we got settled, it spread out around the lake, it was already starting to get dark, and but we all had radio communication, and we, you know, everybody at a radio. We stayed in communication with each other, and we you know, we didn't really have much going on, but it got to the point

where I radio down to Kimmy. Now, one thing I like to brag about this because Kimmy, for anyone who's ever heard a Bobo from Finding Bigfoot give off his vocalization. Yeah, Kimmy. Now keep in mind, she's just the short little thing. Jimmy's small, but I've always been impressed by her vocalizations. But the one thing I'll brag about is Kimmy has a settled lungs on her and but when she deservoualization, I swear it's the female version of Bobo. So she's like,

really good at what she does. So I was like, Kimmy, I'm on the radio. I was like, hey, go ahead and give off one of your vocalizations. And then meanwhile everyone else kind of quiet and chill out, you know, So sure enough we're all quiet, We're waiting for Kimmy to sound off, and then she sounds off. She gives off a good vocalization, and then after she's done, we're

all listening. And while we're listening, within mo probably a good ten seconds or so, probably from the opposite ridge from where we all were, we do get a response, not entirely show what it was. It could have been a coyote or something, but we did get a pile back, you know, from her vocalization. So that kind of gave us a little, you know, ampus up a little bit. You know, I was like, okay, maybe got something going on now, But after that nothing, we had nothing else

going on now here it is is dark outside. We're all still spreading around the lake. Kneecliff, then Tracy and his son Elijah, and then Kimmy and Darren down on the other end, and a couple of us had parabolic microphones, more the ones we had at the time. They're known as bionic years. They worked real good. They work pretty good. They pick up sound up to three hundred feet. But keep in mind, from where we were at around the lake, there was a ridge right up behind us, and you know,

we were here and stuff. We ended up starting to hear a few things, like some limb snapping, sounded like there was some football up there, but most of the time I think it was probably just deer or all the wildlife moving in. You know. So at time I had gone by and like we weren't getting no activity, we weren't really hearing anything, and we decided to, hey, guys, it's really late, let's regroup, let's head back to camp.

It should have already ran off, But sure enough, the deer just like maybe ten feet out in front of me. It just like takes his time. It turns off nonchalantly, and just like you know, continues it further disappears further into the Dartmt. You know. You know again, I know the deer smart around that area. It's like they know it wasn't hunting seasons, so they weren't spook. I know. But even then, a deer that close should have been spook. They should have like took, you know, jolted off, but

it didn't. It was like, hey, like, I don't know what to think of it, and I thought that was odd for some reason. But after it turned off and disappeared, I noticed that. Okay, well, after a disappeard, We're walking along and all of a sudden something catches my attention and I was like, what the heck is that. I stopped in my tracks and I'm looking. I'm trying to focus my eyes because you know, my headlamp, my headlamp

is reflecting off something. And don't get me wrong, for the first my first initial spot was, okay, I'm picking up one of the little reflective signs. Sometimes throughout the National Forest, there's RaSE these little signs, little yellow signs and usually all they say is no vehicles beyond this point, and I'm thinking, that's what I'm paying picking up. But it was kind of like it wasn't it was fuzzy, it was blurry. I was like, then all of a sudden it became a focus. That's where I realized it

actually blinked. And when it blinked it I realized it was actually a set of eyeshine looking at me. I was like, what the heck is that? And from my distance and want to look at it was kind of setting kind of low. And my buddy Tracy was the next one behind me. I said, Tracy, what the heck is that he's seeing? He's looking right at what I'm looking at, and our head lamps wereke glued on all you see these bright looking, yellow looking eyes and they

were kind of setting kind of low. And when he's noticed it, I was like, is that a freaking mountain lion? Of course I use other language at the time, because I was like kind of pumped up. I don't know why I was. I didn't know what to think. And I was like, we're staring at this and we watch it like jet off, like it chose out of the area, like, what the heck next? You know, Tracy's telling the rest of the group, guys, get up here. We got some eye shine. It was exciting because we we we just

weren't able to identify it at that time. You know, it could have been anything. So we get up into the area. We all regroup and we're in that very single spot where we've seen that set eye shine, and we're all standing together in our little cusser group and

we're looking down in the woods. And to keep in mind, from where we were standing, the ground did slip down settle feet and the level back out, and we're looking down there and all of a sudden, but there it is again, a good between thirty and forty feet out. Now it was in I guess what you would call a clearing because there was a lot of trees and bushes in there. But we picked up the set of

eyeshine again. And even though we're looking down at it, you know, you can still tell we estimated whatever that was at that time was about maybe no more than four feet tall. But here's the interesting thing about this set of eye shine. Even though we're not picking up any physical details or seeing any shape, or anything. We're seeing the eye shine, and it was doing a sway in motion side to side pretty swiftly. You know, this

is interesting. What the heck is this? And we're all focused on seeing this set of eye shine, just to see it, you know, going side to side pretty swiftly. Well, it wasn't even maybe it was less than five minutes. It was somewhere between two to three minutes or so.

Over to the right of that one, maybe about another four or five feet or so, another set of eye shine appeared, same color eye shine, a little larger, but also a little taller by at least two feet, easily two feet, So we have a four foot subject the swaying side to side. That like, I'm not registering what the heck this could be. And I'm very familiar with a lot of wildlife in the area. And here we are, we have a second set of eye shine that's appearing.

It didn't have any movement except the eye shine blink a few times. That would make sense. Whatever we're looking at. We all had someone us had some bright lights on our heads, you know. But then again it's just we believe it was just outside of that beam of light,

you know, I just it wasn't making no sense. But we're looking at two sets of eyes, one swaying inside the side, the other one just looking at us with blinking its eyes on occasions, and so you know, it's like I'm basically almost scratching my head, you know, and not at all, not during one moment in my thinking that you know, these could be squatches. I'm not even thinking about Big Port, the sasquatch or anything at the moment. Then while we're all observing this, I start kind of

looking around. I start slowly panning my eyes to the right, and you can see some bushes, you can see the trees, and it's really dark. But all of a sudden, my headlamp or whatever, I'm picking up another set of eye shine, a third set of eye shine. This third set of eye shine looked like it was literally almost on the ground itself, and it's like I'm staring at it. I'm

like my eyes are glued on it. And all of a sudden, while I'm staring at this third set of eyeshine, I'm watching it kind of grow like raise up, and like it was slow, but it kept raising up. I watched it. I kept my eyes on it. And it came over top of the bushes, and by the time it stopped, I swear to you, is stopped another two feet over top from the six foot one, the one

that we estimated to be six foot. So now here we are, we have three different sets of eyes at three different sets of height levels, a four foot, six foot and another two feet taller. So there was our eight foot. Now my buddy Tracy, he was watching some of the two and he's the one that spoke up and said, guys, we got squatches. Now, as I tell everybody, I wanted to believe that. I really did. I just needed something more to confirm that because we're just seeing

eye shines. We're not seeing no physical shapes, we're not seeing no details and nothing, just eye shine. Well, it did get a little interesting because that tall one actually made a maneuver. It turned to its left, or at least appeared to it turned to its left and had taken a step or two. And then when it turned back looking right back of us, back at us, blinking

his eyes. Well, I believe the light, the light and angle and position, everything just worked together all at once, because what I saw, without no mistake, without doubt, was a set of very wide, broad shoulders and a big round head sitting on top. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, because I knew this was not no bears. Bears don't have shoulders. Bears from their heads sloped straight down, this went out. These were very wide and broad, and here it is eight feet tall. What the heck else

is this going to be? And this is where, you know, kind of relating to what Tracy said, I don't know what gave him the thought that these are squatches. I don't know if you saw something different than I did, but from after seeing that shape, I was convinced that these word squatches and what else would they have been? I mean because after observing that, it wasn't long after that where it looked like all three of them turned off and disappeared further into the darkness. And after disappearing,

we decided, okay, guys, let's head back to camp. But we're walking along and you can hear the treat, you know, you can hear in the woods, like like limbsnapping and you know, whatever they're stepping on. Kimmy, Kimmy was the only one that ever expressed anything that's any type of fear or nervousness. However, it was exciting for everybody. I don't know. I mean, maybe could I felt scared? Would I could I have felt fear? I think if I observe all that by myself, it could have been a

different situation. But I think because having other people with me was a whole different scenario. But Jimmy was the one that was like that after we started walking away, She's like, she started freaking out, like guys are following us. I say, they're just walking through the woods. Doesn't mean they're following us. I mean. But we made it back to camp, and we were back at camp, we were talking.

We still stayed talking about this, and we were still trying to talk and trying to debunk it, you know. And it wasn't again after we got back to camp and we were finally settling down. Me and Tracy. Yeah, me and Tracy were the only ones. And this is what we kicked. We kicked ourselves, I know, I do. I'm kicking myself with the butter about from this till this very day, because me and Tracy were the only ones that had night vision in our backpacks, and not

once during the whole situation. Did we ever think about pulling our night vision devices out to get a better observation and so yeah, yeah we had them, but we never thought about pulling them out. So yeah, we were pretty much kicking ourselves in the butt over all this, and like we could have learned a little bit more, we could have seen a little bit more, got some

better details. But we did go back the next day and we went to the very same spot and we actually did a height comparison and come to find out from what we estimated, Yeah, our height comparison with our estimates were pretty much on point. You know, me and Chlas Stanley were the tallest ones there. He was probably about six He's probably about six two six three. I'm

only about six foot. But you know, going into the same spot where we've seen the tallest one, you know, we raised our hands above our head from whoever was standing all over on the edge of the roadway at the distance that we were seeing on that, uh, everything was pretty much on point, the distance, from the views, the height, and yeah, we were pretty good. I think we were pretty good on estimating everything. Everything was pretty close to be an accurate there. And but yeah, again

that's what we all witnessed together. I wasn't alone, so there was five others that seen all this. And one other little fun fact about this I thought was exciting when I learned about this was Cliff Stanley that was with us, had his camp order out. He was actually filming the whole situation the whole time. And when I learned about this, I was excited. But after observing what he pulled up and put together on film, was like

it was a major drag. I mean, it was a major letdown because all you see is pretty much us in the film reacting and being excited about this. And now some people claim, I don't know. I just don't see it. Some people claim they seen the eyes ghine, they seen what we were. It's just in the video. I just don't see it. I mean the video as far as I know, it's still on YouTube on the Cliff Stanley's YouTube channel. I hadn't looked at it in forever. But some people claim that you could see the eyeshine

and what we were seeing in that film. But I don't know. But that was twenty fourteen May third or twenty fourteen. One thing I want to jump ahead and continue on with in that same section of woods just a year later, just around the corner as well. Because where this took place was We're still on our way out from the lake. We didn't have much further to go to the main forest road and head back to camp. But again just a year later in twenty fifteen, during

the hunting season. It was November of twenty fifteen, right around the corner. I was camping out during the hunting season. I do that a lot during that season. Yes, it gets cold around November, but it was actually comfortable whether I was by myself and there was nobody else around. Usually there's a lot of people that camp out there during not the season. Well, in that particular era, it was just me and I was near at the camp. It was dead quiet, and then after it got dark,

I had a fire going. I had like twelve days shotgun leaning up against my blazer. Well, I have to sit there again. It was very quiet, and I was like, man, it's boring, it's quiet. I'm not tired. I decided to grab my spotlight and walk, you know, grab it without turning on. I walk out to the middle of the fourth road in total dark, you know, Like I tell everybody, I do this quite often, even when I've camped with others.

I'll bring them out into the middle of woods without no light, just kind of sit there for maybe a minute, kind of chill, listen, look around. And of course, as I got out to the road, I'm standing there in the middle of the road and I'm you know, standing there in total darkness just listening. Keep in mind, is still dead quiet. I'm not hearing not one thing. You can probably hear a mouse part out here, that's how quiet it was. But so I decided, okay, my spotlight.

I decided to start shining at the tree line across from me, well over to my left. As soon as I pulled the trigger on the spotlight, immediately I spook up a deer, because you know, all of a sudden you can hear the sound of a deer jump out of the bushes and run off, like, oh cool, I spooked the deer, you know. So I was like, okay, I continued paying my spotlight from my left over to my right, and as I approached the one between the

one and two o'clock position. As soon as I got to that spot, all of a sudden, whatever was inside that tree line, I mind the tree line was probably twenty feet from where I was standing. But when I got to that spine, what everyone's inside that tree line, I promise you was extremely heavy and on two feet, because what I heard next was bipedal steps walking away, and I described them sometimes with a sound of a crunch and a pump at the same time you can hear.

I don't know that my imitation is not the best, but that's exactly the best way I know how to describe it. It's a crunch and a pump as every step it took, and you can hear it. And it was going away from me. But when I heard this again, I minded there was nobody else around. I was standing by myself. I'm very vulnerable. When I heard this, my heart like raised up in my broke and I felt

again very vulnerable. When I heard this, I started walking backwards, and with a spotlight on the tree line, and with my office hand reaching down to my keys that were on my belt loop in that panic button, make sure my car was unlocked. And as I started to edge around, make sure I wasn't walking, you know, make sure I knew I was walking. I kept looking back, you know, and all of a sudden, I got back into my campsite, and I probably threw another log or two in the fire.

But at the same time, I actually probably instantly for some reason, I instantly calmed right back down, like Okay, that fear went away, and I sat down after throwing a couple more logs of fire, making the fire a little bit bigger. I'm sitting there, you know, kind of doing my final relaxation, catch my breath. I was like, listen or running from my head what I just heard, you know. I was like bears, like I said, I like I was talking to you guys earlier about bears.

I had a lot of close encounters with bears, some close, a lot more more distant than anything. But I could tell you I don't care if you have a five to seven hundred pound black bear. They're not going to crunch a thump in the on the ground. Uh, They're not going to be that heavy. Whatever this was had some extreme mass and weight as a step. And again this was Bipuedle, without doubt. I promised you it was by Budle. But I'm listening and I'm running through running

through my head. I was like, if this meant any harm to me. It had every opportunity to run out of that tree line to sack me like a football player, you know, and I crowd probably could have been a garner, But I got to realize that it was going away from me. It was going away. Now. With this being said, one thing I like to point out about this was look at twenty fourteen and look at twenty fifteen. Each situation had a deer involved just prior to having that experience.

So my question that I asked myself, did I interrupt something? Did I interrupt or hunt? It's believed that bigfoot does like to eat or feed on deer. Well, there was a deer just before we had the encounter. Maybe that small one was spying on that deer that was nearby, you know, maybe that small one was getting ready to make the charge. I don't know. I had to like, oh, these are just brandom plots that run through my head. But again it's been said that they take deear and

they eat deer. So again, both situations had a deer prior to happening. What was happening. So that's one thing I like to question myself and think about from time to time. You know, were we or did I interrupt a hunt, you know. So twenty fourteen fifteen, same section. It woods just around the corner. So, but that was one of the things, you know, I talked about and I bring up from time to time, you know. So but yeah, you could ask Tracy Arnold. He'll he'll throw

you in on that. He remembers a lot of that too. So yeah, but yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

my friends said, they have their own production team. They actually put together a film for their first their new TV series called Hometown Haunts, but it's titled The Beast of Elkhorn Lake, which I was their first one day film an interview Twitter and if you watch that again, you can find it on YouTube. It's full the full episode, the full show on there. It's called the Beast of elfho On Lake. And of course that was based off

of my twenty fourteen car. So but again, there's other things that happened along the way or before that, you know, in between. I've had rocks thrown at me and I've heard all kinds of interesting things here and there. So again, that's yeah, that was the twenty fourteen.

some monster black bears up here. I have seen very large fifteen inch black bear tracks here in the National Forest. So there is some monster black bears up here. But as far as when you go look at the state hunting records, I believe Pennsylvania has over an eight hundred pound black bear. Virginia has over seven hundred pound black bear. That even North Carolina's got washedon black bear. They got seven hundreds of pound black bears there. I'm not going

to say that Florida doesn't have them. Uh, they do have smaller black bearers there. I'm not sure what region, but after doing some past studies, Florida does have black bears, but they're more I guess they're more smaller.

and I heard a bear. You know, I heard that room, okay, you know, And and I went back in the next day. I told all that night, I told my wife and I know what I heard. And then I told the neighbor and we were we were new, we were new to this neighborhood at the time. And they're like, no, you didn't hear no bear. You may have heard an alligator, by the way. I'm like, no, I heard a bear.

And two days later, on the edge of our subdivision, by the roundabout, black bear was sighted across in Gatland, which goes to the corner of our roundabout, and I ended up, you know, like put my finger in his eye, like, man, I know what I heard. I know what I heard. But they're doing so much, there's doing so much development here and just tearing everything thing down so fast that the wildlife here has nowhere to go. They've theory to become a problem in our subdivisions everywhere.

you know. And yeah, he's like he's like six. He's around sixty years old now, I believe so. But yeah, back he said he made that's the one thing he made a point of that back when he was twelve years old down in Florida. This particular neighborhood where all this stuff was going on, like the big Foot stories of him, what he's seen, and what was being heard around the town. And you know, he said it wasn't it was a small town. He said, this is long before. He said, if you go to that place now, it's

all grown up and one the whole thing. One of the things that ran through my mind the whole time I'm listening to everything he's talking about. I was like, I was like, yeah, you push you know, wonder why this big Foot, you know, Pete off, because you're pushing them out of his territory. You know, you're you know, we weren't having and we're closing on them. You know. It's like my job, well, my previous job, I was

working for Amazon as the delivery driver. And some of the neighborhoods I go into, I'm going into these well populated subdivisions right just right outside of the city. And I was like, I'm walking down a set of stairs after dropping off a package and I got a deer about to run me over and I see herds the deer running through these subdivisions, like well populated subdivision. I said, these do you have nowhere else to go because these these houses are built where they used to be grown.

You know what I mean. It's people don't realize that.

I dig and research. You know, I don't know how people are, how they research, or where they're picking their information up. I'm only going based off of what I research and what I'm digging too, and I'm listening to other stories and other eyewitness descriptions, and the more and more I hear about it, it just keeps building more and more on top of what I believe. But again, my belief, my conclusion is I believe they are some type of primate. But with that being said, I'm very

careful on this because I want people to understand. I'm not saying they're a gorilla. I'm not saying they're a chimpanzee. I'm not saying there a rangutang. But I believe they are in some form or type of primate, also undiscovered, unclassified, you know, in the primate world. Because when I hear people say, oh, they're human, they're not primated, they're human. Well, let's look at the scientific point of view. You know, you guys want to use science and say they're this

and they're not that. Well, scientifically speaking, me and you we're human primates, you know, you know, so you know, there's there's different classification of primates. There's a long large range of primates in this world. Again, as human beings were classified as primates. And that's regardless if you believe in evolution or not. I don't think that has anything to do with the evolution because I have a I

try to stay away from an evolution. But you know, again I'm using science scientifically speaking or signed terms, you know, for how you want to look at them. And I'm not going to get into there's a lot of all the details. I won't really get into because I don't have my notes for me. There's certain things I bring up and present at my presentations when I speak at events.

But but yeah, with that being said, without getting too far into a deep explanation on it, I will say I believe it is some type of primate, But again I'm not saying it's equivalent to our No species are promise that we know that exists.

the NFL DNA in them. Now, a lot of people don't realize this, like, okay, the neand of AAL DNA did not come into existence, or was it discovered or was able to be recognized, I should say, so, it wasn't till the nineties. It wasn't till the early to mid nineties to the end of all DNA was actually recognized and studied and put out there. But so, you know, how many people in this world have the DNA running through them somewhere along the line, because the end of

all were a type of people. You know, people don't realize that.

difference in the cypress. But in these groups of cypresses, there are different trees in the middle, which suggests in the middle of this little cypress swamp there's a drier area with different trees growing out of it that a normal human being would not make that trek because of the gats and the snakes and you just don't know it is. I was literally tall at telling my son Ryker when me and him went out, and I'm like, my theory is going back there in the day because

look at that water. You can't see two inches in it. It's black, and we got gators all over this this state down here in the south, and when you look back on Google Earth, it's it's it's different trees. It's this pine and oak trees in the center of these cypress, which means there's a higher ground, it's a drier ground.

And I got out with my son and we started looking and literally within thirty seconds we've seen about three nine inch footprints, one in halfway in the water and half out, another one about two and a half to three feet coming up the bank, and another one at the edge of the road coming well.

and everything. And there's also a section of woodsal bands boo down there by the swamp, and they haven't seen one in there for a long time, but there's they used to be gators down there in South Carolina. They showed me where the gators used to be sparred to scene it. But their main thing is the wild the wild boards, you know, because they showed me. You know, they used to show me a lot just like you

could see. There was old barbed wire French and they used to show me all the snag hair that came from the bar on the boards. Because I got another buddy of mine that hunts down there. He's always shooting boards down there. You know and uh, but yeah, you can see the wild boards, like like on the on the bamboo, there's certain like scrapes and marks on there.

Like I was like my friends was like, this is this is from their tuxt this is where they rubbed their tuxt on here, you know, like oh cool, you know, I mean it was kind of educational, you know, like because we don't have as far as I know not it's like we don't have wild boards or you know up here in Virginia. Really, I think if you go now, I believe if you go to the Eastern Shore that runs down into North Carolina, like North Carolina supposed he has has farh hogs and stuff. But I don't know

how popular they are down there. But I know for my research and from what other hunters have told me, yeah they're in North Carolina, so maybe they might be in parts of Virginia. But then again, I got some friends of mine that are involved a bit. But buddy mine here, he's a veteran. When he goes up to Ohio, I guess on his father's property they have him up in Ohio. So I don't know, maybe we do have him. I don't know. I just haven't never seen no evidence

myself of a wild board here in Virginia. But yeah, but yeah, he goes up to Ohio and then you know, like I said, North Carolina, South Carolina. Yeah, but it.

I mean. I've been five feet from one, but I didn't want to look at I didn't spend time looking at it. I turned around and ran both times. I I didn't I I didn't want to see it. It was a monster to me. Yeah, and as an I want that opportunity again. That's why we do what we do. You know, like, what's your what's your ideal distance to soak in all that information and process everything you're seeing and get questions answered that you wonder.

you don't want. Nobody wants to be put in harm's way, you know, because we don't understand these beings, you know, if we encounter them, if we have the like I've heard stories right here from Virginia where individuals have been face to face, you know, and I believe these are the stories I've heard where I believe them because you know, I don't believe everything I hear. But when I hear

certain stories, I get drawn into these stories. When I get drawn into these stories where I'm visualizing what's happening, I tend to believe those stories. But not every story I hear. I get like that. But there are stories that came from Virginia here where the people had close encounters. I personally have never been faced to face that close, but I've always imagined it. I've always thought about it.

So my thing is if it happens, I pray that I don't get harmed, you know, because again we don't understand it. People say, oh, they're hard with Well, it's just like any wild animal, even a snake, a venomous snake. Don't put you, don't put yourself in that situation, or don't put them in a position where they have to strike at you.

that's venomus. Sneak is going to protect yourself. It's going to struck that he so as I tell people, just like with any species of wildlife, I don't care if it's a bear. Bears ain't gonna bother you. Just leave them alone, let them go about their business. You know. Yeah, they get nosy and curious, they come into your camp whatever. Most of the time you just make noise and scare them out and they'll run off on the most part.

But again, any bit of wildlife, just don't put yourself in that position to where they are forced to protect themselves, because you know, wildlife is gonna be wildlife. Raccoon, Oh my gosh, my father used to hunt records. He's told me stories about what they'll do to a dog. They'll shred a dog to pieces.

You know, that's kind of false advertising, because again they're wild animals and they will destroy you if they want to. You know, so keeping this, especially if you see him during the daytime. When it comes to a raccoon, stay away because it could be rabbit.

He had no desire to be aggressive. He just wanted to be left alone. I'm trying to push him off of where we are, and he's like, Noah, I'm good, just just leave me alone. And it wasn't until we stepped back then he was like slithered away. And you know, I think if you step them one, yeah, he's gonna be like, Okay, I ain't got time for this, you know, get off me type of thing.

few years. But I'm hoping because of these temperatures a lot colder than what we've had we've have been getting the last few years, I'm hoping it does some good on that part. Yeah for sure.

learn from people that's got more experience. And I think that's one of the things that what you're doing, what we're doing, reaching out and trying to network with people and hear their encounters, hear their shows, talk about their experiences, talk about their projects that are involved with bigfoot and cryptids and whatnot. There's no wrong answers in this. You can have a belief that they're flesh and blood, but

that's your belief. That's not a fact. If it poops in the woods and it bleeds in the woods, it's it can be other. But that's that's neither here nor there. I just think that you know, in this subject, if you aren't open minded to bigfoot alone, you're gonna limit

yourself to what you're actually looking for. Meaning, if you don't believe tree stock structures have anything to do with bigfoot, and you could be walking by fifty of them, you're not really doing all the research that you could be doing because you're getting information you're walking right yet by

We don't know for a fact. I don't know for a fact that bigfoot make tree structures, But we have seen tree structures where footprints walked right up to x's, took a right turn in front of that X, right up to it, took the right turn behind it, directly behind it, and walked away. Meanwhile, it broke off everything thing else in its path up to that X, but it did not break that down.

big point would only be our last consideration. So I'll never dismiss a structural information and say Bickford didn't do it. But I will also will say that he did not do it. You know, either he did or he did it again. We we would have to be observant or

witnesses to that. But uh, but again I always believe there's that possibility with most of what we find, uh, because I mean I've come across a lot of crazy stuff on the woods, and yeah, I have a collection of tracks I've gotten over the years, and uh, I still have some of those tracks, but I've actually given some of them way for souvenirs that some of my past events that I hoped so but because you know, I kind of want that put out there. You know, I haven't found the track in a while, and I'm

out there in the wist part of it. I find impressions and promising things, but I haven't found anything good enough to really cast again. You know, I'm sure I will eventually again, but it's going to take some time, but real quick. One of the things, I don't know if you guys travel or like the venture elsewhere, but I've got my group camp out coming up in May. I wanted to throw the invitation out, the invitations out to you guys.

whatever topic and site you were bringing up. He was popping it up as you were talking about it, like live feed editing.

a huge festival. I'll be speaking there. Then my event June twentieth and twenty first in June here in Virginia, and then West Virginia Suton, West Virginia is June twenty sixth, seventh, and twenty eighth is the Sutton, West, Virginia Bigfoot Festival, another huge event. So June's going to be very busy a month. I'll be speaking at events and hosting my event.

So but yeah, my event is. If you want information, just look me up Daniel Baignoire on Facebook ecbro O ninety eight or go to my website VA Bigfootcon dot com.

let everybody get out of here. Everybody have a great night. We'll see you next time later, Bob.