Why it was namous Obi and j R. Harman. Today we even while I broke your heard me with Coco and we got Dorito's bread bacon. We make a bacon sandwiches about the show y'all High Woods when I was broken brom nice and this reminds me of like would i'd imagine my little brother ate after school to be honest, like super simple when you when I see anything red or chips, gang some cyrial, I was actually thinking you were gonna go for cereal. But um, but I'm excited
to eat some bacon. The last time I eat bacon was a long time ago. I think now I just buy a turkey bacon, so cook me, feed me. So some people don't know how to work it, I know how to Rookie. I feel like you're a real cook because when we were talking earlier too, it's just like you're so comfortable. I know what I'm doing. So what's your backstory? It wasn't a real cook. But when I was growing up, my mama had a stroke when I was about ten. She actually had two when I was
ten and like thirteen, so I couldn't. I had to fix up. I had to, really, I had to like bathe the feed up, all kinds of stuff like that. But I didn't really know how to cook. But I got an older brother and the older sister who did a little bit more. But when it came to me, it was baking bread. You know what I'm saying, all right? And this was like this like after school dish or just around the clock dish. This was if I'm hungry. Yeah, probably like autter school or someth because at school, I
probably ate breakfast or something. You know that the schools had free breakfast and ship but really one of those that loaded up on the free sereal or mm hmmm, nah, because my appetite when I was when I was going on, my appetite was just my appetites Tuesday still like I eat this a little bit, so I wouldn't greet you or nothing, because I couldn't eat at home, but I make sure I eating stuff taking home and I see what's what they got next. Whatever. However, so when was
the last time you made this dish for yourself? It's been years years, but it ain't been that many years though, probably high school. Like I was in high school, I graduated, so yeah, but when did you get your like your first start on like your music career. I started recording when I was seventeen years old, so and then a year after that, I just worked. I worked work for a whole Australia. You didn't have straight I got signed
like November tween the eighteen to Columbia Records. So and how did you get how did you go from rapping? I'm guessing like in your your friends right, and then how did you get to Columbia? Like how does Columbia get a hold of your music? From bad Ridge um? Columbia? They like discovered me on YouTube. A lot of my stuff was going viral, million's reviews and stuff like that. By time I was signed, already had like ten or fifteen million views, like just streams without the label, Like
it just went viral unexpected. I ain't even think it would. I just shot videos. I started like taking the series like then let me try to step out. So they see this video and they immediately just reach out to you. They reach out all the label I took a trip to New York and me were like ten and labels and I was like, I'm gonna just go with Clump And what'd your parents say? Well, all this is going on.
They didn't know what the same mom. They was just like all right, because damn really they wasn't into music, Like they weren't not really for it for real. I ain't gonna say they wasn't really for it, but it was a surprise. I wasn't even tell the moms and pops. Well, I I grew up in a single home, so moms, but I talked about pops too. We got a good relationship. But I wasn't telling her like when I leave a house, I'm going to the studio. It was just going I'm
just trying to picture. What does the studio look like? Is this like a studio at your friend's house or like like an actual studio. It was a studio in my friend's house. He had a studio. He had a too speakers and a microphone set up in one of his rooms in his house. And he made he actually like uh he actually like um a platinum producer right now. We both like started like in his house and stuff.
But he uh, he actually got some success too, but but started yeah, and he's like I probably still got videos in my phone to us making one of my hits in the crib yeah, like he's like my first couple of songs that started blowing up. They came out of his carib I'm gonna just wait on. So he you both weren't like yeah, we both were just you know, it's a pushing for a dream. Now. Do you guys
still clap? Yeah? Yeah, we just Uh. I had my first arena showing Baton Rouge just past three days ago, like three days ago, first ever and we uh he came out and support came performed with me and Stiff because all my songs that's hits, he produced them. Man, we both like, you know, yeah, Chris James. This name is Chris James, probably like five six years older than you, probably about four five years older than me. So would you consider him like a mentor? Did you have mentors? Oh?
Not really? He uh he helped me with certain things. I would say, like we help each other though, because I mean sometimes you look at me like Bertie did your thing, like hold up what I should do? And I give him? We both we feet ot. We we ment to each other for for real, like we help each other whatever. You know. So you were first record deal on two thousand and eighteen. You're not currently fine
to Columbia. Correct, No, with Empire you Yeah, so was there like a pivot or like something crazy to happen. I'm curious what happened. Uh, well, honestly it was. It really wasn't any too crazy. Columbia just was behind all time. The way I said my deal up was we should drop by this amount of time. If not, you owe me anything. It used to at that up like that
what my lawyer did. Yeah, my lawyers that, and you had people people are also coming at you, so you can kind of control that, right, Yeah, And everybody wouldn't agreeing to that. So that's why in Columbia was like, you know what, that's cool, okay. And then so it was easy to get out to deal if they didn't perform, yo, like okay, we ain't gonna give you this, but we don't let you continue your career and everything I got, my masters and all that. They ain't interfering with it
and nothing like that. So a little bad blood Columbia's still rock with him. It's all good. But I'm with Empire now. So that's that's the team. How does someone from your background, you don't have any music business experience elevate to overnight. A. Um. It took me feeling real or something going out the way I thought it would go, like come, let'ta bea I thought it alright, cool, it's up, like I ain't with about men. I know I got the support. It didn't go like that I already had.
I was thinking I either the label for support when I already had fifteen and streaming when I got signed. I was I was young though, you know, so this two thousand and eight was music distribution. It was still heavinly Le Digital at that time, right, yes, so you really didn't even need them for a distribution I made. I made a super I made a wrong decision. I did because Empire actually gave Match the same deal with Columbia. I was like, I want to be major. It didn't
make sense. But now can you explain to everybody who listening to the difference that you learned between major and independence? Yes, Major, you know all your masters or nothing like that. Distribution is just you know, they give you funds to put out whatever you distribute and through them like like marketing or studio signed. But that both okay, it's actually both. In the advance, yeah, it's everything. It's everything. A label. Dou is just but there's no record stores now like
when I was younger, you know you would get distributions. Yeah, you're wearing Walmart wherever. So now the question is this, and I hate to be the devil for the record labels, is like, what role are you really playing when you have an artist like yourself that has this yeah and can sell his own music and fill his own show the seats at his shows, like, um, some artists maybe be needing the bag sometimes and then some artists be getting the results. And then some artists do us for
different reasons. I feel like sometimes every they don't every art and then a lot of these artists I feel like, well, I ain't gonna say I feel like because that's very opinion. But a lot of people tell me like I'm one of the smartest guys, like young guys, don't safe that just that's doing music because I don't know just I'll be thinking different. I'd be thinking like this, does this make sense business business wise and all that. I'll be
like it, actually think about that type of stuff. Some people do it fuss money, you might get a two all events. They ain't worry about if their music blow they're like, dang, I was just broke my problem. But now the two hundred thousand all about back right through your Well what impart is very simple? A is uh, whatever music you distribute, that's the only way they can get their money back from you. Oh not shows, not shows, not none of that. Yeah, do we hear that in
your music? Like your business stuff? Are you not? Really? But you here? You here hot intelligent. I don't people be like, man, you're different. You do you feel like you'll ever go that route of breaking down the map on because that's a that's a huge story, you know.
I always see the rappers and I even seen in your videos like you showcase all from the money and stuff, you know, but the behind the scenes is also so important that to see that you're managing their own career, paying attention, not any mortal question and Carter here, okay for management. But at first it was a lot. But that's I was doing it all by myself, so it was way harder. I would say it was way harder, and it was way more like um, it was way
more learning process. I got all my experience from like just doing it alone going wrong, like still not because you know when you do. You are altaist. You really got too much management power to make power move you just the artist, And it's easy for somebody in position to say nah when going your way. So what do you do with your first sex? I got me a place to love. I help my mom got with which she needed. Uh not a fact, That's really what I did. I held my I bought me a car. I carried
it out on the car. What kind of car? Mustang? It was funny seven, it was funny eight thing. I bought a twenty eight team convertible Mustang. Um, I heard my mama take a She got a massive degree to be in college, but he couldn't really afford it, like for for and she needed money for this test and I gave her some money and she asked to graduated college. That's awesome. Yeah, that's amazing. How do you feel feel good? I mean I don't feel like you no other way.
I mean I don't. I ain't really bragg him, but yeah, I just feel like That's what I posted through Connor. She would have did it for me. So do you feel like people arrived as an artist? Arriving? Still arriving, still arriving like there's more miles songs you'd like to hit. Yeah, but you hit some of the major ones already. Okay, I did a couple of things, but not a lot
of things. What would you say is the hardest? Like, I just had my first arena show, you know, Yeah, how many people are about for a thogo when you feel it? Yeah? Wow, that's amazing. Did you have other people on the show with you? Yeah? Right, Way was on the show. He was actually the headline for real, for real. But the feedback I'm getting like I had a real good stew I'm gonna just say that. Yeah, the feedback I'm getting I had a really show. So
what was like the hardest things? And you had to go, I'm sorry the smoke. You know, what's the hardest thing you have to go through so far in your career? Uh, trying to manage myself, I was saying, trying to make moves myself. That's probably the hardest thing. Would you say, thank your hardest, sorry guys, your hardest um smile phones, or your in your career or in your personal? Uh? Well that's in my career trying to managine myself, but um,
my heart is probably personal because I'm still human. Your career always go work. I could be big tomorrow, like I'm getting support, so I ain't never don't too much be like I'm grateful. Just oh dagn this ain't working right now because I see the process. I see him getting big every day. I don't really be triggering, but like probably personally, like, can you give us like an example, yeah, like my well, my mama she more, she ain't more healthier, but like my pops, he still got that BEETI city
this day. You just got out to the hospital like yesterday. So like stuff like that. Uh, me helping out like hand bills and stuff like that for pops and moms. I got brothers and stuff like that. Are you the main source of income for your family? No? But I always feel like as long as I'm doing something, uh, as long as I'm doing something positive and generating money, I should always be other help. Maybe she give us two more pieces. Yeah, we're gonna need a third for later.
But um, I want to try this. Yeah, this is gonna be rough. I'm getting your guys. I'm getting it there smoking like I don't want to say at a barbecue, I got to kiss smoking, hold on little it's down a little bit though, Yeah, I don't want to set off on sprinkling. So your single's blowing up right now, what can we expect like in a few tire for you, uh,
some more singles blowing up? But for real? Uh, just me evolving, don't get knowledge to different different media sources and even TV and stuff like that is evolving as a all right, So tell me something that we don't know about you. Uh uh. I don't know why, but I just bought my first bed, keen bed in my house. Right, I had a CAREERIB since I got signed the first time, right, but I was sleeping on the same bed my mama
brought me since sixth grades. I felt like a twitter or something like a full size frame though or was it weeks ago? Like literally, I promise you huh didn't have a bad frame and it was a good bed. It was a great bed. It had a bad frame, yeah, Like it was a good bed. But I don't know, man, I got all this money and I'm just but i'd never be at home too though. He'd be like that, that's cool. Actually that's something I would have never even thought. I just took it up. Feel me, you did Prussia
camera time? All right? Then you how to get your bread? All right? We're looking real smooth. So I put it on there. I could really see you making this like every day. You can see me making this every day. Hunh. Why it look too good at something? It's like a go to It's it's easy. You got a lot of making. See. If you got this problem like this, you just fold it up so it can fit your bread. You see what I'm saying. You don't want too less avacan though,
because you would be like, damn, you know bread. Remove that from the hot burner because I feel like it's we're smoking. Slide it over. Yeah, don't touch that. Don't touch it. It is this. It's just because it's so hot. Yeah, I ain't gonna touch you. I ain't crazy. I burned myself out a long time ago. I'll take that one. Yeah, you can take that one. There he goes my first thank you. So I'm guessing this is how you do
your dish. You got your chips on the side. Yeah, you gotta have a spicy chips, any kind of spicy chips. It's a going You gotta have a power way to me lecture lighted something that's gonna, you know, really smooth. I'm gonna steal some of yours and drink this water to something here that's cool. You don't try to pick some of the fat off like this, right, Yeah, sometimes I do, definitely. Damn, Oh, this one's not that fatty though, Yeah, yours, I fix sure, it's good. I should have deep pop
on mind. But it's all right, all right, let me get something actually, or some of your cup first, you know what I was like, I'm sure he's gonna need mao butter something. No, none of that. Ain't we have all that? I really ain't had as much bacon. How many slices on average? Did you put? Like two? Probably about two? Probably about three? Three? About three? Max? It's good, awesome, Here we go the time of truth. Time of truth. It is a super simple dish. So I have faith
in you alright ready. And even though I think cheese would have been great, but cheese is a luxury, right cheese. If you're a cheese person, you should have had some cheese here. Good bacon soundwich, Yeah, it's the spot I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Bacon sound this would go to it really does? Is bacon and bread and some chips? Did you give it a look with? You know what? And first I was like, okay, well here's this Bob. It's totally it's the spot, the spot, man, I'm telling
you you gotta whip it up power right yep. So what's your next milestone? Mm hmm um. Honestly, I'm trying to go Plano plantum right, that's my names mostime, I want one of my riggers to go planning. So I'm gonna definitely put you on the spot. And you can't avoid the question because I know you're in this industry. Oh m hm. I'm really like, genuinely cares me get another stip? I'm genuinely curious. Who are your top I'm gonna give you up to five favorite rappers in order
mm hmm. You can't play some top five just rotating and our uh huh. If you want, I could go first to buy you some time to think on my top five to help you out, but that's really helping you out. I have to go first, go first, Thank you first? Yeah, because I always feel like if you say your top five and then someone may have forgot somebody thought later like that, So you go first. All right problem all time. Hm mhm, better life mm hmm. I'm let's say Michael Jackson tupap little baby to live baby?
Who who would I say? Like the little baby? Now? Yeah, little baby. I had to go from back all the way to now from baby a little battery. Mm oh you thug, young thug and probably Boost a badass because I'm from bad rouge and that's just I'm judging you right now. There's the top five. Yeah, that's my top five. I gave you two points. I'm gonna give you mine and let's see if you still stick with your top five. I'm gonna stick on my top you think so, yeah, because I mean I listened to a lot of music.
But mm hmm, Okay, here we go. I'm gonna give your credit on m J. H. Well, you know what, are you sure you don't want to switch on MJ because technically he's not hip hop? So I'll artists, I'll hip hop, hip hop, hip hop, lou Wayne Baby, Little Wayne, Little Baby, Kode Black, Kevin Gates, and Boost is Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, okay, and y'all can rate this, okay. Um, I'm gonna my team, you know, whatever, it's up to perspective. But I think you're gonna change
after here. Mine, I'm gonna go with I have to go with j because that's my favorite rapper of all time. Ok Um. I have to go with Drake because I think he's just phenomenal and he creeps up in my my rotation a lot um Little Wayne for sure, just on respect overall, um eminem m okay, and then there's so many greats after that. What was that at for um? Damn, I'm gonna mess this up. You didn't say Tupac in your top five just now when you redid it. Yeah,
it's always hard. It's always hard when someone says five. I'm gonna go with. I mean, there's so many, there could be d M X Tupac. Uh, there's so many. And then on the female side there's Cardi. I love Cardi. Yeah. What do you feel is your biggest threat to your career? Now? Just I don't know. I can only get in the way of was I heeard of me, so I would myself, my country get myself was Yeah. I think from hanging out with you, I've learned that you're so versatile and
your turnover. It's like you learn a lesson and you're just like, I learned a lesson, I made a mistake, I moved back, I moved from it, you know. And then the fact that you yourself garnered your own career, fighting for your own dreams. It's really cool. What advice would you give to someone that's following behind you. Y'all told him, never stopped. They will stop working and just keep working. There's always somebody who just have a moment
and they stopped. Yeah, they see something go wrong and they stopped. They give all, they discouraged thing, they're not excited about whatever, they whatever goal is they trying to meet. So I just tell me, just keep working. Yeah, I always keep working. What I thought was interesting when I was trying to book you with your team, one of the things that stood out was we were trying to
figure out whether to do a morning interview or afternoon interview. Now, most rappers always it's like late interviews slash possible cancelations just unfortunately they just the missfights or whatever, and it's just something I got used to. But what was interesting about your team was they were like, um, we can do eight in the morning. Jay will go Jay's j
will Ja doesn't miss his stuff. They're like, it doesn't matter what hour we could book him, And I thought that was different, Like the way they were talking about your work ethic. I'm available and tell them unavailable, Like if I'm just booked, if I'm booked every alway and I can't, then that's the point where I say, I can't make it. Yeah it ain't gonna work, but I'm working. I ain't missing nothing nothing that's for me, you know
what I'm saying. It was step with my journey, like it was still count So I just you know, this experience I've never been even on even for yeah, but I just want my baking up on that. Yeah, Like I don't miss. I only trying to miss too much stuff for me because I know sometimes to just be one in a lifetime chance sometimes and then after that chance you take and they go, well, now you've got a hundred more chances other than that chance you took.
Now you've got zero chances. And another stereotype that I hate to do two rappers in general is the whole smoking or drinking, and you don't you're definitely not high, so you don't do any of that. I mean, I smoke, but I don't when I have to be, when I have to present myself, I'm always presumable, and I'm not gonna you know what I'm saying, because it's just too I don't know people people people looking for that, you know what I'm saying. Like you say, I ain't drunk,
you could tell like I'm just chilling. People always see that, So I just do it on my own time for real, for real. Okay, do you feel like hip hop's definitely stepping away from from because there was a point where hip hop was like we Chris Stall and all that stuff.
Do you feel like hip hops evolved so far away from that because I feel like all these rappers now have their own and like you own your own lane, you know, but there's no more push of the alcohol or the vices I feel, you know, yeah, because it is more I ain't gonna see. It's all the way just far away from me because a lot of rappers
every almost every rapper smoke, almost every rapper drink. But I've been meeting more rappers like, oh no, I don't smoke, bro, I'm good, And they'd be like, hello, who have you met? So far that shocked you. That doesn't smoke. Oh, it's a guy named Playboy. He's from my city. He also like multi gold and platinum, so he he also artists, not to like you got a couple of ruggers going on going in, but he smoked like a drink. Like he'd be like, bro, I ain't trying to I to
be like, bro, all right, it's cool. I'll be like all right, Now, have you met or worked with like your dream person that you wanted to work with or is there someone on the line up that you do want to work with? Yeah, like the Little Baby somebody like that. Ain't gonna lot like he inspired me, like anybody any I'm gonna say you, this is anybody who like doing good consistently, Like I like make the Stallion CARDI b Megos, they successful, anybody that's successful and they
did they they for show, like yeah they certified for show. Yeah. It just inspired me so like and you kind of come from the same background where you built your own audience. Yeah, she's smooth. She did she had to do. I respect that. Do you feel like that? And Rouge supports you for some people that arena show that I just had the first time they support me. Yeah, yeah, they support me.
At first, it was like, huh, it would be hard, like I'll be back home and they would be like sometimes scared to support me, like or they'll be like I was scared to ask you for a picture because I don't know bad rules, just way totally different ages. All friendly and sweet is not? Its completely the opposite. So everybody like just on their own time and still but they really used to be like, man, I thought you was gonna be mad if I asked for a picture,
like scared to support it. They probably do it on their own time. But but the rend of show it showed me like, all right, they don't. They don't care. Have your friends switched up at all? Um? Yeah, I may not know, not my real friends, but who I thought that was friends? Because you have two different types of switch ups. You have to switch up where they're like, um, they act like you owe them something. But then you also have to switch up where people that are your
friends are afraid to call your phone. They're like, I didn't want to bother yoursel so big. Now you know, do you have both or do you just have the ladder? Yeah? Even my mama would do that sometimes I thought you was busy on call. I'll be like, what's wrong with you to call me? But yeah, I got a lot of that going on though, But I don't be too mad, dude. I called up. I called my friends whenever I'm thinking about it, or my mom or whoever, who all, who
ever feel like that. I just always make sure I get him a call tool, because if you don't call, then it is way easier for them to say, yeah, he's busy. You ain't talk to him in three months. He ain't called me. He's too way too busy he is. You can't reach you no more. So I always just called back home, whoever, my friends, my real friends, even if they don't you know what I'm saying here my phone or what though. Yeah, I saw this thing on CARDI B. I think it was yesterday or one of
the days. She had a birthday party for her daughter and she just went on there. It was like, if you're related to me, if you came out of my grandma's coach, you know, just DM me and I will send you the information, like you know, like I may forget who to send it. That was so real, because that is an actual problem that people face when they blow up. It's like all of a sudden, people are like, well maybe you forgot about me, or or maybe I
wasn't invited, and it just get famous. It's so many people they be they be looking like man, so many people. He don't even know who I am. Normal, like bro, I know who you like that? Yeah, yeah exactly. But but I think it's cool that you know you've got you and she you guys take the extra step to like reach out or say you know I'm here. But it is an additional responsibility. M. But anyways, thank you so much for feeding me today. This sandwich is pretty good.
I was yapping you ate all yours. Yeah, so this is my meal for today. I really had a struggle meal today. It's my lunch. M. It's delicious. Um. Thank you again for taking the time after day eating your first meal for shore for the day. Now, I know I appreciate. I don't need eggs and cheese. Eggs and cheese, I said, I won't need him. Oh, I was about to say, I think I said you don't eat eggs and cheese. I was about to say, you know what I'm saying, like if you know I'm running short on
groceries and bacon and bread. I could be like up that Obian special. I'll call it special, and you guys could check out Obian's special in the Cookbook of Eating Wall Broke, which is really simple. Obviously, bread and bacon. You're pretty good to go. Thank you so much. I gotta make that bacon right though. Yep. For more Eating while Broke from I Heart Radio and The Black Effect, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.