NORM STEELE - Bigg Steele Nachos

was like, Gangster Chronicles. I don't know you know, but if you guys know anything about Gangster Chronicles, Um, what makes Gangster Chronicles interesting is your perspective on and your mission of the show, which is you kind of get the behind the scenes of what's going on in the streets. Um, and it's not so much about gangsterism. We have to redefine what gangster means to me as gangster the Colleen

is all you're doing her She's following her dreams. This is gangster right here, she's actually producing her own show in conjunction with Black Effect. There's gangster. So gangster to me is anyone who has overcame into amountable odds to make something happen. Yeah. So those are the people we talk about. Whether it's the guy that got to prison, may have served twenty years and now he owns a chain of car wash. There's gangster right there. He's made

a change in his life. Yeah, And I like that you it's it's also like educational and you showcase the impacts of like what decisions were made that led to what certain outcomes without glorifying like a negative lifestyle. And I think, I think when you hear the term gangster chronicles, you know, And I'm only addressing it now right now because I want our listeners to like really understand like your mission and what the show is about if they

haven't already checked it out. But in the interim, I would love to know what you are cooking us on eating while broke. Well, right now, you guys are gonna get treated to big steel noxios. I like that. This is something I sort of made up when I was in college because when you're in college, you don't have

that much money, but you want to eat good. So I think, um Taco Bill might have impeded on my trademark on my IP when they start doing the reto locals tackles and all that stuff, because I like using the retos. They just gave it the extra flavor, right, And plus I didn't have the money to go out and buy a whole bunch of season. So it's almost like the ritos gave you your flavor, right and then you know you started adding I started adding stuff on

to the dishes. It's time went along and you know today we're going to be using some ground turkey versus beef. You know, you can do this with chicken as well. Or if you're vegan, you can go out and get that. What's the type of meat that they have, the false meat and beyond me, beyond me or whatever it was like that, you know, health conscious? So ready to kick it off? Yeah, let's kick it off. Start us off. What are the ingredients before? Right here? We have some

evaporated milk. Now you can use good old milk out your refrigerator. I choose to use evaporated milk because it makes the cheese come out cream here. I mixed that in with the cheese when i'm you know, know it. But or you can just go get a bag of shredded cheese if that's what you want to and it's gonna milk on his own when you put someone hot ingredients on there. Again, it's whatever you want. We have jalapenos, we have sour cream. We have ree fried beans, you know,

the whole monkey. And this right here is velvita right here. Again, it doesn't have to be velvita. You can go out and get your use your own alternatives. But first we'll be going to and then you have the cool ranch chips, the cool ranch, yeah, cool range, the retos right here. What are you gonna season to meet with them? It's right here. Good old salt and get old salt and pepper, because you remember, usually now you can do your meat with the tacole sauce to you know, taco season something

like that. You can't do that, but I didn't do that today for the sake of time. And just you know, again we are dying while broke. The Every student may not have that extra you know, guard and get the things. So first what we're gonna do. We're using this ground of turkey. We're gonna put that in here first. Already hot, and it's already hot. You know, you want to get this together because you want the meat to be really you don't want to be in clumps, you know what

I mean? You want to spread out. Yeah, get this right here. Once I shot this is that we get started on getting our cheese together. You want, let me go ahead and help you. I'll open the cheese, yes, ma'am. Yeah, you could beat my assistant. Ye see, I'm using my daughter as using my assistant. You know. Actually she's gotten the point where she's doing the whole thing. I usually just to give her directions and I stand back and kind of look, and she said, and all day you're

too critical. Oh so this is my first time, for all your listeners, that I've actually ever used Velvita cheese. Um, I actually did not know if this was an refrigerated section or not. And it's actually not in the refrigerated section. No, you can find that right right on the shelf. So dude, so I put, I put the Velvita cheese on the choppolo, and I'm going to cut this up right now right there. I'm not gonna do that to you. Yeah. So my envisioning of Elvita cheese was like this melted gooey thing.

But I guess that's the end result of what you're about to do with the Velvita cheese. Yes, I am. Can we turn this up somewhere? Yeah, so you're a burner for this? Is this one? Anyway? We can turn it up. You want to turn up just a little bit so we can get some heat on there. We go, put some salt and pepper on there. You know you gotta have some season. Yeah, of course. And nothing beats good old fashioned salt and pepper. Yeah. I've had chefs on the show, and I used to think salt was

something that seasons things. But he had told that salt is what brings out the flavor. Yes, salt is what actually brings out the flavor. Like if you're cooking steak at home. Gets another side note. I see people going to all these um different little seasons and stuff. The best season for steak is good old salt and pepper. Yeah. Yeah, I'm learning because I'm definitely one of those people that see the steak the steak seasoning sauce, and I dumped

the steak in it. Massage and go marinate. Baby is cooking. Chop a par velveta right here, and chop this up right here. Get this right here. We don't need a whole bunch of this. We probably half a half a pack of this leftover. And that's for when you want, you know, some more big steel naxos or whatever you want. To call them once you start making them. Whatever your name meals. There would be your version of nacho's. Like when you're making you can call them Colleen's Colleen's nacho.

I'm okay, keep the steel nachos. I like it. Now, Velvita cheese, Is that real cheese? Yes, the deal is real cheese. Well how come it wasn't in a refrigerated section. Well that's something you have to call then. Ass crafting these other companies, I don't know how they do it, but I just know it's nice and convenient. And you get like, I'm gonna show you the purpose of the milk because you get a nice little cream take. You know, you want to cut this assistant. Oh you are, You're

doing a great job. You want to have to get our chees together. Okay, So for all your listeners, he's chopping up the Velvita cheese into like little triangles. Yeah. Yeah, And that's the way you know you pour your milk in right, So you pour the milk into the pot.

You're right here, see it's right there, pouring this in there, and we start adding this in there, right, and you know with the cheese, you want to stir as it goes along, right, you want to stir this, keep stirring because and you want to do this in the prefer FreeFly a nine stick pot because it could be some nilvents try to clean up. Yeah, there's the sticks to the pain, right, um hm, six of the pin. Okay, so you got the milk. You have the carnation milk

with the velveta cheese, and then you're gonna stir it. Yeah, I'm gonna stir and add more cheese as I go along. I may even need it even cheese. You know, I'm gonna get something like this. I'm gonna turn this up a little bit. Where is this at right here? I think it's this one? This one, right, you want to turn it up to like five, turn up like a little bit, like let's put a beat on that. Right? Are we gonna bring this to a boiler. We're just trying to see it all meshed together. We're just trying

to see the all make together. Like you know, when it goes to a little bit, it won't really boil, it won't really come to a boil like that. But you want to get it warm enough to wear milks the cheese, you know, we want to have a nice move. You want to have a nice smooth You don't want it with lumps. And you know what, we're gonna see some Naxos with big lumps in it. You know. Now, what do you say to those people that believe that use the notchal cheese that's in the jaw. They can

use that too. It's whatever, whatever it fits you. If you find some nice not your cheese that you're a fan of that comes in the jar or whatever, you can use that too, even better, even quicker, because you came up with the velveta cheese. Yeah, I came up with the velvet cheese. I just thought of added a different level to it, you know what I mean. Like I even put a little bit of pepper, and mind I'm putting no salt because she's already has enough sodium in it to where you don't want to make it

too salty. You know, you don't want to have it to wear it's too salty or whatever. You want to do this and have it to wear, it's not start together, and then another thing we want to start warming up. Two. Next we start with all this is getting together. We start getting our refried beans together, because you want thves to have a nice little texture to them, because you know, refried beans are normally stiff, right, you want to get them to where they're kind of like, you know what's smooth.

It's not too stiff, but smooth, you know. So we're gonna put these in here. You see all these come out. Yeah, it looks like a yeah, it looks like you can of care food. But it's not going to look that way by the time I'm finished. Well, you gotta show love to your food. Are you laughing behind your mask? I think I think there's laughing behind the mask because I refer to it as a can of careful. Well, this Nigel takets like no carefold when I'm done with it.

So you gotta put a lot of love until you do. You need this burner turned up to a little bit. Yeah we can. We can turn it up a little bit so you don't have to add anything to refight beings. You just have to heat it. You just gotta heat him up. I just gotta heat him up. And that's more sort of get a little bit smooth. Because you see how it came out the can. Who were going to eat that at the can? Like that? No definitely, No, not. It has just enough fluid already where you don't have

to add anything. You know it's gonna get nice, nicest move I always get I don't know enough about beings. I always getting nervous cooking with ings because I don't really know if they're like if it's like kind of how you're doing it where you can heat it and it becomes something you can eat. Yeah, it is. And you're not gonna even beaut to tail. They wasn't. They was out of the king. Let me get them that can over here. To keep your work area clean, you know you don't want to have a lot of stuff

going on. You want to keep your work area cleaning to be safe. We are not responsible for anybody out there that burns their fingers what they're doing this. And you want to make sure whether you're using turkey. I know me if I'm using turkey and ground beef, I want this to be nice and brown when I get you know what I mean. I want to be nice and brown so I can have that flavor. And we're

using turkey today, ground turkey. For those health conscious people out there, you know they want to get nice and swol like me and then ultimate shaped like me and Kyleen. I'm just joking. I need to lose a good thirty pound. You know what, It's funny whenever you're in that twenty thirty pound range, it's like a part of my brain. When I'm trying to lose anything that's under twenty pounds,

it's like I'll get to it eventually, you know. But I guess if it was like fifty or a pounds, I feel like it would be a little bit more urgency on losing it. Yeah, it is. I got to give a shout out to my wife. She loses weight and stays in shape better than anybody else. I know. She's a pisketarian, which means she only eats fishy. Look, I'm spilling stuff. So look, this can't get message because yea, I'm gonna put some more cheese in there. And that's

that's the thing you want to put. You don't want to start off with too much, but you want to put just enough so you can add more into it to your life. And I want this a little bit thicker, right, So I'm gonna add some more cheese to this. You cut me some cheese up right there. See, Look Kyleen is pulling the double due to your day. It's the chef, the big you know, his assistant to Chef Big. Still just a little bit more, just so you know, I actually don't co help. This is my first time. So

I hope you like these, uh col chef services. Is that you're getting there perfect turn out? That way you get some credit on the big steel of nachos. Then you know there we go, tell your daughter to move over. Watch out. Now you got another assistant on the scene. Do you need more cheese? Let me get some more. Your cheese looks cheesy. Yeah, we can turn this down now now that we got this, is it right here? Turn it down right here? Put this in there. So we put you on a timer. So you have like

sixty seconds left. I'm trying to see if you can make steals nachos in under ten minutes. Sixty seconds left, sixty seconds. If he was on a cook I would lose. I wouldn't you know what I wanted to be right, okay, okay, I wanted to be I wanted to taste good. I don't want you to look at him and you just look good and see some of that stuff on these shows.

Look good, but it tastes nasty. You ever seen the play the food it's played and they've got the nice look garnishings and everything around it, but you even you're like, man, what is this? Man? So it's like some stuff. They're straight from the bottom of the pot of something, you know when I cook it, when I cook. Actually, we could turn this off right now. We go stirn this in because we've got enough heat going on in there right now. He on which one to meat? Right here?

You want to turn it off? Turn this off right here? We're good. We just go turned off and stir. Okay, And then do you want men to stir the beans? Yeah? Please, you can stir the beans. That will make us even help you. I don't know if it gets me off camera, but I'm sure yeat that. Okay, beans looks stir ready. So we just want to make sure those are nice and warms. Do you typically add water to the beans or do you let them be this thick? You know what I'd like to add a little bit of water.

So what we could do today is I actually have some water right here, break out of a little bit. We want to add this a little bit, you know, like we had a little bit, so want you stir as our poor trying. Okay, that's good. I think that's cool. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm learning the bean game now because it gets them a little bit smooth that way when you're putting them on the nachos, they're not

all just clumped up in one place. And when to eat the nacho, be like, man, I got all beans on your ain't getting no meat early? You want to make sure your stuff. You see how the cheese and smooth. Now she's a moving now seeing we are actually now what we do. We can actually start plating our noxios. Okay, okay,

I get it, I got it. Not can do that if you want to what we're gonna play that for a nacho we play that we're using we could use this well, I didn't know if you're gonna qut and do the whole nacho thing or if you want to do like, well, you know what, let's put them on a plate that way, they're even down. You know what I mean that even now we could play them. We could we could do yeah, go ahead, okay, and everybody can eat over there, okay, and just you gonna do

so you want to do that. That's how we do it. That's how we do it on our shows. Okay, cool, perfect, okay, at na, Let's get some more chips on there on both of them. Might spread them out if you might have some of the food, may want to eat something, you know what I mean? All right, So we got a good looking nacho plate. Good, all right? So now what do we add next? Alright? So we go turn these off right now, we're done. We're done with these right here, all right. The first thing we're going to

add now, right now is our beans. We're gonna add beans, then we're gonna add our cheese. Then we're gonna add everything else from top of it, because those are two hottest things, right but you add meeting Okay, okay, let me sit back and watch some magic. Alright, So the taking parts done, everybody, The cooking part is there, and everything is turned up. I want to make sure but these are still hot again, everybody at home and it's still all and be careful. I want to hear about

nobody's fingers getting burnt off. We want to do this. We want to have it to where it's like uh a saucy type, a nice and sautage like right, all right, you want to be kind of right to where you spread them around a little bit, to where you spread them around to where it's like because you want to taste hopefully a little bit of everything and everybody right and right there to see. What I usually do is tossing nachos up, So it would be kind of like

to like you do it in a bag or something. Yeah, you can do it with your hands, however, you because these don't be your noxial, so you could do however you want to. But I wouldn't be wanting nobody putting their hands in my noxial. No, no, pick your one chip and exit the plate exactly. That's the name of the game when you share nochals, right, you don't be all around your plate. I do that this squak on that, or I'll reach Oldren, you know, and we could ask.

You could definitely ask some so I get it, yeah, because everybody may not beautiful that, you know, wacamole is sometimes I'm to be expensive depending on the seasons. Then, So we got enough of that right now. Perfect. The next thing the cheese. The next thing we're doing is the cheese right here right then, before the meat, don't after that. Put the meat on right there. See your smooth that he is right there. See your smooth that

he is right there. That looks great. You pour it on there, and you know you want to have a little bit everywhere, nice and cheese, and you know nice and cheese. You wonna put this on there. Season Staline is the whole. I'm gonna make hook it up and make sure she got cheese and every sector and every crevice. Well, you know what, I don't be a host up asking you a lot of questions and a little bit soft, too cold. Then we start off with me started at

the meeting there. We want this to be nice and green, know to where you don't have two big, bigger clumps. This looks really good. It's conuld be the bond. I'm one of those people that I go to a Taco Bell. Well, I used to go to Taco bell a lot and my order was always the Naturals Bell grand Day. I was like my go to these killing the next bill grand Day. It's kind of like, uh, you can make these and mikes you want to. You can put the guacamole on it, you can put the side with cream

and see now what we're doing right now. We got some of these right there, We got some sauce. We always want to make sure. I opened it a little bit so it's cool. I mean it's going to spill that when you shake it. It's what I got my hand over the top. Problem problem. Oh yeah, we're not playing those games in here to day. So how often would you eat this? You know what? The last time I had these was maybe probably a month and a

half ago. It's not something not eat every day because this can it's good, but it's something that they can kind of get you one bigger. Oh yeah, you can get gain weight eating if you definitely go gain some weight, you eat notchos. Everything especially not was like this. I mean this thing was beautiful with the red. Okay, so we added the salsa. The lapenos are optional, Yeah, the healepinios optional. I'm going to skip the jalepenos. See she's

gonna skip the helopineos. I'm gonna put a couple of them on there, and we gotta fork right here. I don't want to hold a bunch of them. I don't want to hold a bunch of them. Hold on. I forgot almost kind about this right here to trust the sour cream. Sour cream is stick and just for show purposes, We'll put you some clumps around there. You can always do. We'll put you some cloth. This smells and looks way better than my Natural's bell grande on this show, I

have so many guys to be like. I want you to try you first, like no, no, no no, we tried to get it. I found me a perfect one with a nice combination of salta cheese and everything else. It's too good, outstanding. First of all, I gotta get it with the cheese on it. This is outstanding. You want me too, I can always chase Hell yeah, hell yeah. So let me just tell you listeners about this cheese. I've had the natural cheese in a can, definitely nasty,

compared to this cheese. I've never had velveted cheese. I've never even thought to mix it with carnation milk. But this cheese is amazing. That's the key doing Nation new. The flavor is absolutely nuts. I wish I could take this home without it, like getting the chip soggy. Well, you know, we're usually what we would do is I would get a big like kind of flatter tree, spread the noxios across there, and I would put the beans on there, and I would I wear plastic lives and cooking.

I would kind of just you don't want to tear the nachos up, but she would kind of just to wear. So everybody that you give is like, um, an experience and experience. You've got all these different flavors of explosion and flavors in here and seeing. The thing is, I can't stress how amazing these nachos are. Like, Jared, I wish you'd come over and eat some of the drill Katie, huh, we have plenty of them at the words, you have plenty for them. After words, UM, this is amazing, all right?

My last bit? And then I can they're addictive and that's why you don't eat these every day because you have missed round. It's kind of like almost made my fried deviled eggs. What. So let me just tell you a little backstory. So Norm and I have been trying to tape with each other for months. Norm, come on, we're trying to work our schedules together. Then I was like, Norm, what do you want to make? His first option for me? Everybody was meat loaf, and I was like, he was like,

have you ever had meat loaf? I'm like, uh, if I did, I don't think I ever remember the experience. But I didn't want meat loaf. And I was like, I'm sure, norm you have something else. He was like, oh, what about these nachos? And I was like, that's a great idea. But now while we're here, you offer me deviled eggs. Deviled eggs. I've never had that. It's like, those are pretty much like the traditional deviled eggs, except

you got a twist on him. You couldn't egg whites, and half couldn't and they have you put your arm, You're you're yoking the boat right when it's done, when it's cooked right, You take those halves, You're dip them in a little bit of flour. Then you dip them in some egg white. Then you put them in the bread crumbs read crimebs. You put them in the skill of deep friar hope it with a little um, one of the little scoops. Put them in there, maybe ten seconds,

take them out, but I'm driving. You know, paper towels, napkins, you know the absorb the oil. Then you know like traditional devil the eggs. You put the eggs in the basket, whip them up, put some miracle whip in there, some sweet relish, nice sweeting tank. You relish a little bit of a little bit of you know, kayenne, just a little taste of cayenne pepper, just so it has that little bite to him. Then you want to get the bacon,

but you want a specific kind of bacon. You want the bacon that has um, like the sweet bacon, like the hickory with the hickory tasting, or you can put a cheat them, even put a little bit of syrup on when you're cooking the bacon. Right, that's a whole another story though, I was gonna say, um, when you come back, fire devil eggs will be the option. I definitely well hooked at up those take long. You can't be putting me under those stipulations with that college. These

naturs are amazing. But I really want to know your backstory on how you got to gangster chronicles and where you're at today. Now, you said you were in college when you were eating these, So tell me like a little bit about your background, Like what were you doing in college? Well, I'm originally from Cleveland, Ohio, and I was a guy like a lot of other athletes, especially in that area, to where I didn't have the academic

portion together out of high school. So a lot of opportunities I had coming out of high school I couldn't take advantage of because I've had a great So I wound up coming out here to long Be City College. There was the choice between either me coming here to a tend school or going to coffee Ville in Kansas. And they actually had scholarships and coffee Field, Kansas dorms and everything. But anybody that knows about Coffeeville, Kansas knows

it's not exactly the sexiest destination and the planet. So I chose to come out here to California. Came out here when I was seventeen years old. Um, thanks to coach weal Shaw good mentor mind steal the manness in my life that day. Me and his son are best friends. So I played football at Longbe City College, who there got a scholarship to New Mexico State University. UM. I met my wife when I was at Longbe City College.

So I wound up twin around playing professional football in the CFL and Arena Football League for a few years. That really wasn't my thing. So I came back. You know, I had a son already, so I wanted to be in my son's life. And it's not like I was making millions of dollars playing arena football, so I had to make a choice. I came home and started kind of integrating into the real world. Always had a love for music. You know, my family food musicians, right, So

I was always had this love for music. So I wound up somehow through one of my friends, Mario, he could add them. I wound up getting involved in the music business distribution. At first, UM we were going out to some conventions, you know, conventions that they had back then, sex as Jack the Rapper and all this different stuff. And then we wound up going out to a convention called mid Him that's where all the distributors meet up worldwide.

From there, I met one of my um like the guy that would become a mentor to me and the music industry, Dim run Pillow from the UK. Wound up doing a lot of business with them. So I started distributing a lot of records here from United States overseas. Our company did two million dollars our first year. And you when you say our company like your own, your own company. We had our own distributors, We had our

own distributors. We were distributing the albums. We were distributing the dog Pounds albums through my boy big A. Shoutut to my partner, big A. We were doing Dad's Dear Luxury Corrupt all those guys overseas and I haven't heard so long. But then what happened was we had this strange little thing to where the record company started kind of tripping on people selling. Look, it's called mixtapes. That's when you had the whole thing that went down with

DJ's drama. And even though we were selling legal you know, we were selling legal content. We wouldn't bootleg enough. And these release artists albums. The record companies was like, man, we're not getting our cut off that ship. So they started shifting everything down. So wait, how are you able

to get the record without the label? You were selling legal records, but but you were getting the material from the artist without from the artists, but without the labels involvement, without the labels involving, you know, the average artists only is getting the CD. So they got to try to

find ways outside of touring and make money. So we were doing this stuff, and I was doing some other people that were independent to those weren't the problem that one the stuff that was selling a bunch of records was the stuff that came from the record companies. So I kind of started writing on the wall with that. But through me starting to release more material that was kind of proprietary to me. I was clearing the sample one day and I called this company Mind of Music, Hey,

we want to get this sample clear. You know we're gonna pay to get the sample clear. They started asking a bunch of questions like well, who is the artist? Who is this? Who wrote this? Who wrote that? And I was like, well I did this and I did that. So they wound up needing when me in l A and we wound up doing a publishing deal. I was a writer and that was your first publishing. Yeah, so

I did want to doing the publishing with them. On top of that, they told me some goals that they had as far as expanding into a United States because this company had a huge catalog. They had like the regional rights to like the fall some of the Beatles catalog so they had, you know, the Gap band. They had a lot of catalog, right, So we wound up happing deals from near They said, hey, norm, we want to open up office here in the States. Would you

run that office? But but you're at this point you're assigned to them as almost like an artist right as a as a writer. So and then to backtrack just a little bit, can you break down what a publishing deal looks like to just the average listener? Well, the publishing deal is someone they come to you. It could be you. You can come to someone and say, hey, I want to partend is paid in your publishing rights. I'm going to advance you a certain amount of money

based on what I think it was your worth. They may say, okay, i'm gonna give you two and fifty dollars and we're going to share in. We're gonna do a co pub deal, which means mean you're going straight down the middle. You get twenty five percent and I get you get fifty percent. And in turn, they're usually people that are able to take your music to different places to work those assets. So I wounded up working with them maybe six years. Um I wanted up coming

the head of Urban music Um. The first record that we actually got placed wind up going platinum. It was ice cream paying job. Shout out to my little partner two months. That was the first producer I ever signed. He wind up going platinum at the gate Um. But I started having issues with the publishing company because I brought some artists in there that I feelt could have

been a really revolutionized music. I brought Kendrick Lamar and when he was just going by, they see no. I thought, actually all the TV in there, they told me no. So I kind of was feeling some kind of way about that because I said, well, you know, you give me this job, you're not giving me the support to it. I pretty much had a pin with no ink. They let me do too much because that deal was cheap in comparison, and TD wasn't asking for a whole lot of money at that time, not comparing it what you

would have got. Yeah, you know that we did that deal, we would all probably be sitting on top of the hills somewhere. So they so you ended up walking. I ended up walking, and I was young back then, the kind of arrogant. If I had to do all over again, I would handled it a little differently. But yea, I wound up walking away. Now when you say arrogant, was do you feel like you probably took over? And you were like, I can I come make money on my own?

So I'm good. It was one of those things. And I had a lot of people at that time offered me jobs in other houses like I had. Cobalt offered me a job. I had, Bug Music offered me a job. I had different like you know, from publishing companies off from me a job because everybody wants the black guy that's connected to the streets, you know, they want the black guy that can go to anybody's studio session and just kind of pop up. And they were willing to support.

But what I didn't know was you're only good for one of those other jobs when you're working at the job. Once you're gone, they don't know if you got fired, they don't know what it is. They're not trying to investigate why. So all those same people that was blowing up my phone, you know, five six months earlier, they wasn't around no more. So I had to figure out some stuff. So what I started doing is my friend

at that time, Glasses my loan. He was hot as fish recent the streets like he was hot, he was m He was in Games camp at the time. He was running around the Black Wall Street camp. So and me and him were always friends. I started helping him more and more because he was knew he was an incredible rapper, but he didn't know the song writing. So Glasses had this situation. He was running around with Black Off Street with Game and them, and he became the

hottest guy in the streets. Like he had a song called three hundred that went crazy on the ready and at that time his brother who was managing them and um he was signed to Sony. He has signed a million dollar deal with Sony Music and m Sony One. They decided that they were getting rid of their urban department. He had an album that was already completely done finished. You know, White left Gene a whole bunch of different people on their many fresh on the production DJ to

you know, we had a real album. So in the process of the label decided he was getting rid of the Urban music department. He became a free agent. They let him walk away with the money in the album. So there was a lot of people calling and so mat Ten from Cat from on who banging records. He wanted to sign Glasses, but he wanted to do it with cash money records, and we thought, you know what, we got somebody from the west still kind of the

picture versus let's just dealing directly with cash money. So we did that deal and it turned out good. Burdman paid everything that Birdman and Mac took care of us. It wasn't. None of the descripancies that we hear about what the other artists or whatever? Did you own most of your publishing or did you have glass is always on this punty public and we didn't. I made sure that we didn't do those deals unless they was coming with a bunch of money. So the cool part of

Batty was we winds up signing the cash money. Now, remember I told you earlier about Glasses and this record making ability. One of the greatest rappers in the world at that time. But song structural wist. He has dope songs, but you know you're trying to, you know, hit on some trakes ship. You didn't trying to come out and just have some ship that's right here. You want to

go right here. So he got a lot better at what it was he was doing in a situation with cash Money didn't quite work out because they were talking about pushing the album back, and at that time the Glasses didn't don't know better, none of us knew any better. We probably should have just deal with their asses to him push the record back. Glasses like, no, I want to I want my record to come out. I want

to release. So we wound up getting to release from cash Money and wanted up release an album to somebody else. Even though it was technically steal through cash Money, it wasn't through the universe anymore through somebody else, So that album did would have did I think we might have wound up doing fifty thousand units, which is not that much,

you know for the caliper of artist he was. But that kind of took us through, like this soul searching period to where we really start locking in the studio. Like Glasses want to learn how to play the bass guitar. He learned how to play the guitar. He really got in his music, started playing drums. Would you say at that point you guys hit Do you think you hit like a kind of rock bottom when or was it

like a reality check? Because you're it sounds like you guys were like so confident, and then the record, you know, you you went against you went against cash Money's decision, and then the reality was the record didn't do as well as the record didn't do as well when if we were listening to Baby Team, we'd have been find And you think, do you think at that point it was a timing thing or do you think it was like the record just wasn't there, or maybe he went

with the wrong single. What the thing was, we didn't have no records there. We was trying to guess. It's like we had dope records. Don't get me wrong. These records were incredible, but they weren't records that fitting Glasses Lane. Like last I was still trying to figure out who

he was as an artist. Like so, you know, when you're looking at everybody else this popum, when you look at Tune, which is Wayne, what works for Wayne ain't necessarily work for Lashes and Wayne had a people look at Wayne now, but Wayne has been around for such a long time, it was and he went through an evolution process as an artist himself exactly. And Wayne was

going stupid at that time. It's like, I remember we went to Vegas to for the Lollipop video, and I remember Birdman just standing on the side of the bus saying, yeah, Wayne sold a million copies this week, and I was just like, God, damn, this dude is actually the baddest motherfucker on the planet right now. And Wayne is just such a cool motherfucker. He's not m how are we in here talking about? Now? That's how win niels. He's gonna come by and introduced himself to you and shake

your hand, shake your hand, or douce himself. He's gonna shake everybody in your hand, and he's gonna treat everybody from the janitor to the manager to place the same way. I So I used to have a magazine and I had the opportunity to a little way, and I think dropped the Lollipop record around that time, And I remember I worked a lot with Universal Records, but I do remember it being like, if you wanted to interview Wayne, it was completely up to Wayne, like they had no

control over anything that that camp did. It was just kind of like they were so thankful to even be able to distribute. They just didn't mess with the process. But I could not get Wayne unless I had a Wayne direct contact. At the time, it was like you couldn't go through a label. The book an interview with Tune is doing what Tune want to do? Is the man? Yeah he was. It was yeah. It wasn't even option they did even they were just like, yeah, we don't.

We don't have because it's not like he needs to cover your magazine. It's not like he needs you to play a song on the radio. If you look at if you look at Wayne's influence today on the music industry, you have what's the kid's name, the kid from Philly's name. Well, no, you don't even talk about younger rappers now. First of all, I don't. I don't even listen to the Mumble rappers star I do not you the guy that had that song,

short guy, he has a big record. Anyway, if you look at everybody, the kids from Philly, I think, if you look at everybody from young Thug to the other rappers day, everybody has Wayne's influence written all over. But Wayne, I would say that, But Wayne is I don't. I don't even consider him a rapper. He is a full string. He's he's almost on the level of her right now. Or he really is all encompassing art music. Yeah, he different instruments, like he's he's his own body of art. Yeah.

The only guy I know they can even compare to him kind of like as a level on the level of artistry he's on, it's probably Kendrick. And Kendrick is a guy I've known since he was sixteen years old, and I saw him go through his evolution, but he just figured it out hell of early. Like I remember one day he was in the studio when he made that transition. He was over a top Dog studio in Carson.

They had a studio behind the house that was just in the back, and I remember him saying one day, like, because he went through a period where he was sounding just like Wayne for it, man, he was releasing mixtapes and he sounds just like Wayne. And he said one day like, you know what, I'm just gonna be Kentried, Like I'm gonna be who I am, and his music just kind of exchanged. And he was always incredible, but then you saw him just kind of just go It's

just like it's some special people. So being around these special people, Glasses said, Man, I want to be one of these special people. So he really just evolved like on this level, and he has a level of truth and honesty to his records that may piss some people off, Like when we did the two part Much Die record. For those that really didn't listen to the record, there was a lot of people pissed off about the records.

They were just off a long. But when Glasses realized that that it has to be more than just a song and the story or nobody is gonna look at it, listen to it, nobody's gonna pay attention to the video, nobody's gonna look at it. So even if you look at his last single, Kanye shouldn't have married that bitch the language, but he knew that would catch people's attention even though it wasn't. Then they're really degrading offer Kim

or whatever. It was just a song about the scandals as girl and he tiled Kane, so he figured out the whole thing. Like, if Glasses wasn't a rapper, I think in another life he would probably be one of the biggest marketing guys in the company Sound Problem. So at this point you're managing Glasses, all right, So then how do we get all the way I'm trying to get to where you're This is all the story, so me managing Glasses and figuring out who he was as a man. He's an opinion they to do and he's

a contrarian as well. Anything you have to say, he's gonna have an argument against it or maybe for but he's gonna really and he's gonna debate. You want an intellectual capacity, he's We don't deal with emotion. We're just gonna take the truth straight out. This is what it is. Right. So with that being said, I started really getting big

in the talk radio. I was listening to a lot of talk radio, you know, just because when you work in the music and it for you don't want to hear music, or you love music, but you just want to get away from that ship. So I started listening to a lot of different people and I said, Glasses, I heard this thing people are doing called the podcast. And at this time they were probably only like thirty

or forty people doing podcasts. You figured this is maybe this is maybe two thousand and eighteen, and we're like, man, So we wanted to talk to your boy Ski over at m J Ski because Ski had com Steve has a company called um, he has this little app that he has. Right, So we were up their recording Glasses podcast. Of course, Glasses didn't do it consistently. We would do one or two episodes. Then I come show up to this law to do it and he wouldn't be there.

Just wait for me, Bro, I'll beat him thirty minutes, thirty minutes termed to two hours. You know how you we use Glasses, but with Right now, I'm hoping we can la. These will come in trust me. So we go through this thing where we're doing these podcasts, right and Glasses podcasts. Actually it was called The Unpopular Opinion, and it actually started catching people. But then we went on this hiatus with it. Then that's when I see it. You know what fun this? I went full on the

podcast and I decided to start Digital Soapbox Media. At that time, I didn't really want to do a podcast. I had plans on doing one, but I wanted to get this off the ground. I was like, I figured out the business model of it, right. So I had a friend who worked at CBS. He said, send me an air check tape. So I sent him Glass and Show.

He loved it. So now we got this deal with CBS the time, which is probably a worth deal and hit real podcast, and it was like, I think we was getting something like thirty They was paying for the studio time on certain shows, right, but on other shows they didn't pick up. I had to cover that studio time, right. So I had these shows, and I had an idea of a year earlier by the show called gainst the Chronicles. I said, dude, I want to do a show about people.

I didn't. I wanted to be a crime show, but I wanted to show the opposite effect of it. I just didn't want to be out there like everybody else, kind of like glorifying some ship because it looks cool. I wanted to tell the truth, you know, and show that it is light at the end of the tunnel. So we started The Gangster Chronicles. I said, we need to get a real street dude. If we could find a guy that worked in law enforcement, and we gotta

have a square. I played the Square for the first five episodes, but at that time I was looking at moving to Atlanta, because you know, I'm in the music industry, and I was like, man, this is really cracking and a t L. I want to go down there and plus your money districts from me and my wife had actually went down there and actually was in the process of booting to a house and I was gonna rint my house out to a friend out here. So that

didn't happened. I wound up staying. So in the course of that, I wound up hiring somebody to replace me as the square the Squares gets the moderator on Gangster Chronicles. He's not really the start. He's like the guy that kind of keeps the conversation flowing because you've got two guys. Is that the reason why you're calling the squares Because you didn't have like a gangster background. Yeah, because you

don't have no gang affiliation. There had to be somebody to be neutral, Like, we didn't want nobody in there that was, like, you know, may have the crip or blood or whatever, because they couldn't come from a really they couldn't come from a subjective place. You feel what I'm saying. They would always be about theyhood or whatever. So we brought this other guy in. Um, the whole thing leaves with that show. We knew that one of the hosts, Reggie Wright, was gonna be a head to

turn himself in. He got caught up in some stuff with his Mari wanted dispensery or whatever, and he he didn't know what kind of time he was gonna get. He didn't know what he was whether he was gonna get a year or twenty years. We didn't know what them people were talking about. Right, So luckily he wounded up getting a year. So we had him going to jail.

So I said, you know what, I didn't bring up the part about you know, everybody knowing podcasting is going through this thing and where when someone makes it big, it's always somebody discriminal and their crew that comes out talking ship like, oh he dogged me out. So this is what happened with me. This is my first lesson and stuff. Right, we got the show going and they're starting to pop because and I'm not gonna say it's because of my genius, and that's sail, but lad has

starts speaking on the show a whole lot. And at that time, the guy James was this a thing second highest still maybe the second most watched interview ever on his podcast. He was like at like something like fifteen million views or something like that, Right, James James McDonald's on one of the coasts the chronicles. Then you had Reggio, when that Reggio was a real, real controversial guy. Reggie

ain't got no filter. He kind of just says whatever comes to the Reggie's mind and he's gonna say it, right. So you already had that like kind of like um that car crash effect to where people have turned around you don't know what they gonna say next. And so we got this other guy whose name I won't mention this on that right the very the second month he was there, he tried to convince James and the other co hosts to come with him and his other guy

across the street somewhere. So they told me about it again. I don't deal in emotion, not deal in business. I need no one new Ray. She was about to go to jail and mean knowing that there's no way James could do this by myself. Now, I don't have the time to do this show. I couldn't just check this dude off the show. So I told him, hey, man, I'm getting to what you got going on. Don't be trying to impede on my show, you know what I mean? And I just took a totally professional approach to it.

I said, you know, I was gonna get attorneys evolved and everything else. But them dudes when leaving, right, So he stayed there and he just kind of just became more and more of a headache. It was always things like and at that time, the first fifteen twenty episodes Against the Chronicles ain't on film because it was the

strictly audio thing. But we had a fan base of people start saying, you guys just started recording the show, and I was thinking, like, what the hell do I find up and a person that I just that wasn't my world and I didn't get into it for that. So I had this guy did it kept in boxing me and I didn't know he was in boxing me

on Instagram, different hitting boxes and here. Because if you somebody not following you, you can have somebody trying to give you a million dollars and they didn't get to you. So I finally looked at it and I said, you know what, this guy has some pretty good stuff. I called him. I wanted to make sure he wasn't weird, because you know, dealing with the internet, you don't know you invite somebody in your studio. They might comep in, try to murder you, ask something you know. So I

met him. He wounded up being a cool dude, So he wounded up being our guy. Actually wanted up becoming an employee of Digital Soapbox. So it kind of pissed me off when this other guy would be calling him and telling him, Hey, I want you to edit this like this, And I had to tell him, like, dude, don't contradict my stuff with my employe. This guy works with me. He's not your employe. You are just to work for hire yourself. So I don't even know why

you're going through all that. You're not to produce for this show. So again, and I kept a professional. This dude just kept a bunch of stuff when he started being late all the time. This is when Raised went to jail and starting to piss James off too. Right, So Covid comes up. Clovid comes around. The whole world is in a panic. I'm pretty sure you all remember that. I remember really fast. Yes, I'm scared to death because I gotta ask mom and I don't know, man, some

ship in the air. We might fun around and go outside and pass out. We don't know what's going on. Remember I dropped something on the ground at the grocery store and I wouldn't even pick it up because I said, man, it's contaminated. Right, So do you remember that? It was like two years of straight man. It was bullshit and just it's almost like you in house the rest. You don't want to go, no where. You're scared to death,

and your kids don't give a funk. That's what makes it even more scary because they're trying out, they refusing to weard mask and all that ship. Well, it's not gonna matter, you know. And I'm looking at my daughter like, if you don't put that damn mask on, you have to sleep in the garage. So we get all scared, right, So I'm sorry. That is the funniest thing I heard a week. So at that point we got an interview of Warringe. He coming up Warreng she is my guy. So I text him, I say, hey, this is the

zoom Wing. We have interview with Warrangey. He just don't respond back. You know me, I can give a fine, like I'm just tired of just do what I'm moving. You don't respond back. But James is kind of panicking because he's like, I can't do the show by myself. Well en up, and I'm like, dude, shut up, I got you. He calls to dude like a hundred times. Dude, don't respond. I'm like, dude, stop calling him. If he want to be here, he'd be here if he don't.

Let him go in about his business. So that warrangey episode winds up turning the two episodes three episodes. We wound up doing all of episodes just me and him after that, right, and I never addressed the elephant in the room with him being done, I'm thinking, Bregg, you could be back home in a year. As soon as they come back. It's cracking. And by this time, James is getting a lot more season than what he's doing. He actually ran a few episodes by itself and they

turned out really well. So at this point we just keep on moving. Right then people start calling us. I started getting all kinds of different costs of people's research department, like Spotify hit us up and say, hey, what's going on with this show? Won't you won't can you confirm your analytics? Because contrary to what people know, these companies have ways to find out what your numbers are. It's just the best case, though they don't know for sure that.

So they asked you to see your analytics and sport making you sitting us your analytics. Sure, so they offered us something, but it wasn't really hitting on what I was interested in because I knew for always want to own my own content. Unless you've give me a bag of money. No, this is still mine, and you know what you got is yours, and it's just still mind. But unless you're giving me a couple of million dollars,

why would I just give you my intellectual property? So we get these people calls and they got a company Benchtown that hits us. Again. It was another deal that was cool. All these companies are cool, but it was just not nothing to my liking. And but I got to explain the Exames because he wondered why why we aren't taking this money from these people, And I'm like, dude, it's not a good deal. You can want to be mad at me in a year or so if we

do take this deal. Right, So then one day I'm going in the Kaiser, right, and you know this is steel a pandemic. We massed up, we outside. My phone rings a couple of times from this weird number, and I ignored the first time because you know, like your phone said scam on there and started doing a little scam thing and knowing the call. Then I finally answered like like like kind of mad, like hello Peace King.

I'm like, who is this is? Charlotte Mane? I hang up like like you know, like how to hell you get the Charlotte Maine calling me? You know what I mean? So I didn't play some mind at him. And Glasses was friends like Glasses and known Charlotte Mayne since he was just coming to business going on a little small promo tourists. He knew Charlotte Mayne before Charlotte Mayne was yeah, I didn't think it was him. So I finally answered. He was like, hey, man, you know I'm starting this network.

If I got your I'm from Glasses and I really like YO show. And so I was like, damn, this is dope. That's Charlotte Magne calling the motherfucker. You know what I'm like, I'm kind of feeling myself. I'm like, man, the people calling me, I'm answering, I gotta call you back. I'm on the phone with Charlotte Magne just let him know, you know what I mean. So we're kicking it right, we have to figure out what we go do not

tell I don't even tell James Jackson. I don't tell him nothing unless it's going down, because then you've got somebody bugging the hell out of you know, what's going on? This? What's going on? Right? So we get that. Then we set up a series of calls. Right then, me and Charlotte Maine talking one day and he asked me how much money y'all want. I'm like, damn, let me get back to you, bro. Then let me figure you know, let me figure out. So then we get a call

on the phone. I just liked the vibe everybody up there, see Dolly, and then wasn't there yet. Dolly hadn't came on board yet. She wasn't there yet. And then I called the wonder Woman, Wonder the wonder women, you know, Dolly high Cool and all of them, Chanel. They weren't there yet. But I just felt like the genuineness of the whole network. It wasn't even something much about the money.

It was about somebody that's gonna stand up on the table for you when somebody possibly talking about releasing you or something like that. They're the type people that's gonna stand from the table for you, you know. So I felt that was important. So we wound up doing a deal with them, and we had to be real quiet about it. And the hardest thing for me was keeping James kind of like because he don't know how corporations work.

When he did the deal with me, I was able to get the paperwork to them even with us now as slow as hell because we got attorneys and everything involved. Now, so I hit my attorney and I want to get a deal. Sometimes I have that like, dude, I want to ask you for the because it ain't a boiler plate. It's not just like a template on the deal. You gotta ask you throw that up from word one, right. So we're waiting on the paper and James like, man,

it's these people bullshit. Man, I've been two week. US said, dude, you gotta chill, man like, you gotta really chill, like I ain't gonna do this ship. You gotta relax. Like. So we wound up getting the deal done, and I tell you, it's been one of the biggest joys I had because you very rarely have those situations to where you like everybody you work like. Dolly is cool to see. I love Dolly, always call the President. I've known Dolly for over ten years, I think, and I've seen her blossom.

We both worked with Nick Cannon for a long time, and so I've seen her blossom and surpassed I think anything anybody could ever imagine. And even when we talked, like her level of acumen, just like sometimes I'll be talking to her and she'll you know, it's like I felt like for a long time it was the opposite, like she kind of looked up to me, and now I switched and it's for me. It's a beautiful thing.

And sometimes she'd be like, you know, I still look I'm seeing me like, girl, please don't hump ump, don't trying to make me feel good right now. In the whole crew over there is the bomb. Yeah, they're they're really good people. And so I said, as you know, what, if I'm gonna be in the business relationship with somebody, I wanted to be that way too, where we all honest each other. And it's like if they called me tomorrow and say, hey, we're not messing with y'all show

no more. It wouldn't be no beef. It wouldn't be right because they just all those people are good people. They're not going to ever do nothing like underhanded. It's like, I don't even think that way with them. I don't even have to worry about it, because first of all, it's making corporation. You don't get no bigger than our Heart media. And I like the fact that Black Effect feels its own separate entity. So when people ask me, I'll say, yeah, they go through our heart, but I'm

signed the Black Effect. I'm signed. You know, this is what we say. I will say this thought. Oh when we were at the Heart, I think I heart had that that event. I heard people were also pretty oh yeah, the Black Effect really great. So it's I just think the thing about the Black Effect, which, by the way, I remember that transition where like I heard that Charlottagne wanted eating wall Broke, which I was like, Jesus, you're you're you know, like, oh my gosh, what a miracle.

But I remember that period where like from Charlottagne saying he wants eating well Broke too, the period where the paperwork actually came it was like, like, you know, I remember that period of like waiting and I was like waiting on the baby. Because you're like waiting, it's like and you don't you don't want to be eager either. You can't call and be like hey, you just gotta be chilled. You gotta be like Okay. That's how it was because you gotta remember at the time on him

as other people still calling. So I have the pressure like even now when you're waiting on those renews. And that's why they tell like, do you kind of need to know because this people calling, these people with a lot of money and they I'm trying to keep them, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, I need to know what we do. But you know what I mean. And she may say, oh, norm we found you know,

I thought we was. You know, I need to know on paper kind of because it's still it was a business at the end of the day, and I know we're about to go through renewal. So I'm like sweat and bullets and the girls there are so nice, They're just like holy and I'm like, well, I kind of need to know to you know, with the next step, especially when you have interview shows because you have to take so many in advances to make sure. And that's

the big thing. And we're going down. I can't say too much about it, but we're going through a massive transition on the gainst the chronicles to where we are getting more focused on crime, but not just not just dealing with the l A stuff. You know, we're going to dealing more with the vice lords. You know what the Vice Lords had going on, you know, Larry Hoover's case, even some of the um like the Black Prison Games, like the Black Guerrilla Family and the Arian Nation, the

Arian Brotherhood. We're going to go and do a really journalistic deep dive to these people, these organizations, right, So it's like we need to know what's going on, and that's the part of the business, but with digital soapbox. But wound up happening to me was we have so many great people from Young Mouth, you know, from the Bay Area, from the Group to Looney's um, Crazy bone

on walk through our doors. Before you know, math Offer, he was with us at first, and even though and I appreciate math Offer, that was one of those situations and where it never was no beat for nothing like that he just didn't know what enough about the business to his conference. He kind of told me, big bro, let me go and do my thing four minutes so I can figure this out. And it was cool. I don't hold people of paperwork. It was just, you know,

it was cool. I didn't have no bunch of money out there with him, so it was like, you know what, man, we shook hands and he wanted to buy his business, and you see he's flourishing. Now. You know, we got some great people on network. And we went from this transition sort of like you know, I told you we had the camera guy coming in that one camera got turned the two guys that you're done with them. Next thing, you know, you've got three guys. Then you've got four guys.

Now you got a building that you're dealing with. And it kind of turned to a media company because we started putting different stuff together, different types of content together, to where now we're launching your own TV network, you know, rap television. We're kind of bringing back the old b et basement flavor to where we're playing it just nothing

but hip hop music videos. But we're also showing content, urban content, the best urban content, and which we want to bring you know, you know, and that's the thing, um, you know, because streaming has just went like this. It went from just being I remember when I first got Roku, I was invested by one. Then I saw this thick and I got I was just talking about my cable be obviously cable three dollars a month, we playing for some ship. They don't even showing little on this. So

I got that Roku stick. Ever since then, I've been off a cable man. So, UM, I just want to say thank you so much for coming to our show. Um, what advice would you give to anybody that's striving to be not just the music business or the publishing business, but the podcast business coming from I was the first thing I would say is to manage your expectations. I think people in general here so much about these deals that are often inflated. And you know that's no problem.

All these brothers I are making as much money as they can. But a lot of the more over inflated. You know, they hear about people getting five, ten million dollars, fifty million dollars like Joe Rogan also had astronomical numbers to back it up. I think this dude was doing something like a million an episode on YouTube. Same with his podcast, so he's deserving that type of money. But Joe has also been doing this since the beginning a podcast.

It took a while. I would tell people just to persevere and don't think about the money, just to keep their stuff going consistent, being be consistent what you're doing. It doesn't matter if you ain't making a dyme matter. Don't get into it for money, because that's the same thing with music. Any artists that every approached me like I'm trying to get a bag, I'm like, I ain't the one for you. Any One tells me they're passionate about their music and want to get better their craft.

I'm with that because if you're the more proficient you're becoming something, money is going to come evetiently. I don't care if you are. If you are, do to just paint pictures of cartoons in your room all day. Eventually them cartoons will be so dope where people gonna be offering your money for them cartoons. Yeah, So focus on being great, don't focus on gett into the bagage y'all.

Young people would say, focus on being great with what it is you're doing and enjoying it and enjoying its Yeah, because I don't care how much money you know, Like I said, I think with that publishing company, I was making three hundred thousand dollars a year on the salary man when they have money, but I was miserable. Yeah, I wasn't happy doing it. So I don't care how much money you've got. Money ain't gonna make you happy. No, no,

And it's it's the forever ending chase. Like I'll see people and still be a person living on forty thousand and then there's another person living on two hundred thousand. And at the end of the day, it's like the more money you make your the more overhead. It just never stops. So just finding what kind of provides you piece and not being a slave to the system. And then's the thing. Remember this, and this is from my brothers out there, guerrillas only below in the ejumple. They

don't belong in the boardroom. You're going to have disagreements. Sometimes you can't take stuff personal. So I would tell people think more with their brain and not with emotions. Everything is not a personal attack. So I see a lot of people play themselves like that like they may be having a problem with the label and think the labels all the time trying to cheat you. Sometimes it's just it's just what it is. You know, you want to get an understanding with them, But everything about cussing

people out, you always want to maintain your professionalism. Yeah, I think as a woman, that is probably going to be harder advice to take. Well, y'all go through a lot more too. Yeah, y'all go through a lot more too. It's a difference. And you know, I'm the six ft four, big black dudes, so people people, people are going to handle me a certain way versius you. They may feel

like they can handle you in a certain way. And I do know this personally that some of the strongest people I know are women, Like my mom is a strong woman, and I've seen it sometimes in the home. I always laughed because when I'm dealing with sometimes with some of our female holes, they're always professional, but they'll let you know, Hey, I'm here and I'm strong when I'm willing to fight for as me laughing, I see, I got your system. You ain't gonna have no problems

out of me, but they will let you know. Yeah, Well, I'm so thankful that you took the time to come on my show and took it took a couple of months to get it together, and you bless me with one of my favorite dishes on the show, which is very hard to say. I think I have like three favorites on the show. This is in my top three.

YEA have to send I'm gonna have to send Prayer as a copy of this song and you know, and you guys can get this recipe in the Eating wall Bro cookbook when it does come out, so you can make it at home. And it took us about less than fifteen minutes. In minutes, and we had the best nozos for a couple of bucks literally probably max twenty total and that's because we had turkey meats or yeah, or you could just eat nachos without the meat and

it could really be pennies on the dollar. And I definitely would advise the LV to cheese over the nacho. It hits way different. Um, thank you again for coming. And if you guys want to check out Gangster Chronicles,

you can check it out wherever you get your podcasts. Um. We are both on the Black Effects, so you can also check out That network also's out for more eating While broke from I Heeart Radio and The Black Effect, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.