Today we head to Egypt and the Sakara Acropolis that has been a real mystery to scientists for the last couple of decades. Each year there seems to be new revelations of mummy or a crypt, or a pit, or an underground tunnel that leads to an opening, and no one knows why this design was
cut into this massive area. Today we're talking about a portion of the Sakara Acropolis known as the Hospital, and my guest is going to detail what he believes is evidence of sacred geometry, wisdom keeping, and also healing techniques that were just beginning to understand using acoustic wave therapy. All this and Jendeo on Earth Ancients for Saturday, July eighth, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you welcome to
Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. I'm sitting here in my studio in San Francisco Bay Area, just north of Berkeley, a little town called El Sobrante, And welcome to the program. Hey, I am got some news. We've had doctor Avy Lobe from Harvard Universe City on the program
a number of times. Remember he was talking about doing a sweep of the New Guinea Island Ocean or Pacific Ocean to find evidence of particles or a what he believed an alien probe breaking up in our atmosphere and depositing bits and pieces
of its hall in the ocean. Well, it was reported just a few days ago that he did a sweep using a very very powerful magnet, and low and behold, he produced fifty, not a couple, fifty different examples of the body or the I guess it's the hull of this probe that was which I don't know if it orbited the Earth or not, but it entered our atmosphere and broke up, and he and his assistant, who was one of his students, calculated that this was an interplanetary probe that had come from
another location into our cosmos, entered our atmosphere, and then dissolved because of the great heat. Well, he's already done some basic studies and apparently it's a very exotic metal. There's some steel in it, but it is not from Earth. It is not I guess he's saying, it's not any known combination of metals that would make up the body of this probe. And I gotta tell you he said this. You know, it's so great to have
a v on the program. He said that he was predicting this, And you gotta love this transparency from a noted astronomer, you know, not trying to cover it up, giving us straight answers. And I love it. And I just sent him an email. We're gonna try to have him on the program in the next couple of weeks to talk about this update, this
very very important update. And by the way, if you remember, he said he was reaching out to get I think a quarter of a million dollars to get a crew together, get a boat and and scan the bottom of the New Guinea area. Well it ended up causing him one costing him one
point five million dollars to do this. But you know, he's got the backing of a couple of billionaires, he's got a lot of he's got deep pockets to do this, and I think he's not necessarily going rogue, but he's pulling away from the typical institutions that would squelch this kind of information.
This is a first contact scenario where you have an ancient probe from another civili We don't know if the civilization is still with us, or it is sending out these probes to find civilized populated planets like Earth, like Gaya and then sending the material back. I'm really curious to know how far he can go in terms of analyzing the data, and when we get him on the program, we're going to drill down into this. So really really really exciting news.
Hey, we're not the only ones in though cosmos. We've all known this. For those of you who have been following me for a few years, this has been a huge issue with covering up data, covering up UFOs, covering up alien or et survey. Well, what we think is probably intelligent archaeologists or anthropologists studying our planet and our government just saying, hey, there's nothing in the sky but swamp gas. You're looking at satellites, you're
looking at reflections and things like that. It's crap. It's complete crap, and we're all tired of it. So Avy Lobe stay tuned for the details. And wow. Wow, by the way, I put an article. I placed an article on this discovery with some of the micro scanned samples that they pulled from the ocean on the Facebook page. Go to Facebook go to Earth Ancients. You can see it on the fan page and also the group page which automatically populates to earth Ancients dot com and then go to Facebook Feed
Fabulous news Fabulous. You gotta love it. I mean, I love this guy. He's amazing, fantastic. Today's program is on Sakara, and I've been to Sakara four times. It's a fabulous place. It's very very, very old and what we're talking about, and today we're presenting a book called The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid by Steve Kalman. And this is a computer scientist who went to Sakara and saw some very very advanced design in the
buildings in the pyramid. He was able to meet with a number of people, including Jean Philippe Lauer, who was the French archaeologist who spent over fifty years excavating Sakara. And also Steve met with and we're gonna hear about this today, a wisdom keeper, an indigenous archaeologist, which are very rare. Right now, we've had Paulette Steve's on the program from Canada. But Hakim Erwin is a he passed away, Oh God in two thousand and eight.
I never got a chance to meet him, but he was a keeper of traditional wisdom and combined it with classical archaeology to really cross over from orthodox thinking, which is very rigid and inflexible, to more details about what we talk about, which are subtle energies and the unseen reality that the Egyptians really embodied in a lot of their buildings. So today's program is revealing, and I'm gonna I had a chance to speak with Jen Dale or in house archaeologists about
this. We both went to Sakara in twenty eighteen and had a chance to see what is known as the hospital and the chapels, which are featured discussion today. And Jin stopped by just for a few minutes, and here's what she had to say regarding her experience there at Sakara, Egypt. I've been to Egypt now it's going on four times. We'll be going on our fifth
next year, may excuse me. April twenty eighth through me ninth. And I've had the great fortune of visiting Sakara, and I have with me the wonderful, the lovely Jendo, who also was with actually that she was with me on the very first tour Jin where are you. Yeah, very The very first time we had a chance to go to Egypt, Jin was there, and I mean I was so blown away. I know, Jen was like, what the hell is going on here? Forget it by Ayahuaska.
This is a big enough trip by itself. But I wanted to talk to you Jin just a little bit about her impressions of Sakara because our theme today is this book The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid, and my guest is Steve Calaman. We're going to have him on a little bit later, but I wanted Gin to come on as an archaeologist to give us her impression. And Gin specifically, I mean the Step pyramids kind of rudimentary, it's kind
of like, ah, so what. But the area that I was fascinated by, and I think you were too, was the area that Mohammad titled the hospital area. Yeah for sure. Yeah. What was it about that area that was so unique for you? Oh my gosh. There were a lot of different things, but I'm just going to call out like the big
top of mind things that like just kind of blew my mind. So as you walk through the hospital doing air quotes, the structure itself doesn't look like really anything else that you've seen when you've traveled around Egypt, because the columns are different, even just the setting and how the building is laid out. You know, you walk through this long colonnade and then to either side of you there are these small little rooms, and then within these little rooms you've
got a little niche. Not in all of them, but I believe that there are in some of them. That was astounding to me because you think, yeah, it's a doctor's office. That makes sense, that makes perfect sense. Exactly. The other thing, and this might not be something top of mind for you, but I found it fascinating was that the stain on the stone still existed, that honey mixture that they stained the walls with, which would have created you know, honey is antibacterial, so it would have
really created a space that you know, was for healing. Yeah, and then I think that the other big thing about that area again, there's this big open area. It would have been where Im Hopedep did his jubilee celebration, all that good stuff, right, but there was that massive when we were there, it was a hole. Maybe it's not a hole anymore, the east side pit. Yeah, yeah, we stuck her head down there, and you didn't get a chance to come to the following two years later
they made that available to go down. We went down into that pit. Yeah, was in it. Well, there's supposed to be a sarcophagus, they kept saying it. But it had huge granite slabs that made up a big box. Oh okay, and it had a plug, this weird plug in it at the top. And it's like, this is not a sarcophagus. Yeah. I mean, even during the time that I was there, you could look down and see that, which you know, again very very cool. You could just see the glimpse of it. Remember, the light
was cascading in. It was pretty. It was vague. They get best, okay. And so the last thing that blew my mind was so you have the room with the colonnade, you go to the side of it, and then you have these I guess anti chambers are different. It's a structure, but I don't even know how to categorize it, because it would have had some sort of a roof on it to create some level of privacy. But as you go into those, you have the little niches that are very
apparent or obvious, and okay, when you go into them. There is a vibration that you experience when you put your head in it. Okay, this is what I'm gladating because this is this is like I'm thinking, I'm looking at it, jin going Okay. Now, I went to Orthodox school and I was told how to this has to be you know, very you know, linear and understandable. We're told that that is nobody knows what that thumping is about. Right, Yeah, put your head and that that little
niche a Muhammad. Our guy was saying, there's a lot of water going underneath that area, but what's causing that weird thumping sound. Everybody heard it, Yes they heard it, but they were different variations of the thumping in the various different niches that you put. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what the gentleman's name on our trip was. Oh, Australian anyway, he was a Andrew. Yeah, Andrew Andrew. Yes, I can't believe I can't
remember his name. But he had a measurement tool where he could measure the hurts and we're coming out right, and he measured them and they were all different, or the four that he measured were different. He had it on his phone, So you know that can mean a lot of different things. It can. You know, everything has its own signature energetically, I imagine. I believe that to be true. We know that through science, so
you know who's who's saying what that is. But if sound healing or sound vibration healing was you know in vogue during the Old Kingdom, it was going on there. God, you know, it's so weird. I keep thinking of those and I'm always impressed. I haven't been all through Egypt to see all the temples, but that whole hospital area is so unique. It's really out of place. It seems so out of place. It seems like it does right, and it doesn't seem like it was created by any of the
dynastic people. Well here's another interesting thing. So there was just another documentary that came out on Netflix about Egypt Unknown, and it features your favorite guy
on Mine, Zahi Hawass. I know, I know. One of the things that I thought was really interesting about it, and I don't think that this is a new fine, but to see the pictures of them in C two and the photographs of this discovery, there was a woman that they found who was Old Kingdom, who was she wasn't mummified appropriately, or she maybe she wasn't mummified at all. They weren't certain. And I didn't really get the impression that they understood what the conservation of her body was all about in
the moment that they found her. And that makes sense, they'll figure that out. But what she did have was just an extraordinary amount of just decoration and jewelry on her body. She wasn't a you know, she wasn't a pharaoh or a queen or anything that we know of. She was buried in a very nondescript way. It wasn't a very elaborate or a super conspicuous type of burial. She was buried in a plane limestone sarcophagus, and it was quite large, quite quite big. Where did we find her in one of
the local she was? She was, Yeah, she was. She was in a shared burial pit that was being used during many different versions of you know, the different kingdoms. But I thought it was interesting that they honed in on this old kingdom burial, you know, amongst all of the other items that they found in there. It was I mean, it was an amazing discovery regardless. But um, I have a feeling that Sakara has some
It just has tons of secrets yet to be found. I mean, two years ago they found the Babastion, which is that elaborate cat you know, cat and animal burial that's just yeah, exactly, and you know they're still finding things in that and they're probably going to for you know, the next twenty years. I don't know why. There's why there's such a huge problem about doing some scanning of that area, especially ground penetrating radar. There's such
a hesitancy to use it. It would really advance our understanding of what's underground because you know, at the very beginning of our awkward you're bringing up these thumping sound and how they're different in each one of those chapels or those rooms. It's like, what is that all about? Yeah, wouldn't they want to know about that? I mean, is it is it a fear of perhaps learning of some high technology that makes them go, okay, we had
to rewrite the books? Well, I mean, rewriting history is definitely daunting. I'm not going to say that that doesn't play into it, but I would gander or bet that Egypt just simply does not have the money to excavate these sites that you know, ground penetrating radar would find or I just don't think that. And I'm not saying this to like, you know, bag on Egypt, but the money that they have, they certainly don't use for, you know, upkeep of their sites the way that we might think that
they would. I mean, we've been to those sites. They're they're paying folks and they should that that's great, but you know, the sites are probably incredibly expensive to repair and keep in good shape and keep tourists in. So I think they focus on what they have and think that that's enough.
They left me. You think you're saying that if they open they find something that's unusual, it's going to open a can of worms of them having to start digging, digging and revealing what they found, is what you're saying. Yeah, And I think that that's expensive in multiple ways. It's expensive financially, it's expensive culturally, it's expensive to rewrite history or to say hey, time out. We might have been wrong about this because we know Egyptologists don't
like to do that too much, which is kind of sad. I think in many ways, we go to these sites and we see these wonderful temples, pyramids, buildings, and go, wow, we want to know more or and I think I don't know I personally, maybe it's because I go there every year. I feel a little frustrated. Open the doors to the pearly gates. Let me see more, let me see more as hell, And I mean an archaeology is incredibly destructive. I mean, by nature,
it's incredibly destructive. What do you mean by that? Once you excavate something, it's done, it's gone. I mean you're not going to find anything else there because you've taken all of the cultural remains away. So you mean earlier, I mean, so you'll be digging down into a site and you may unload the temples and stuff on top. Well, I mean you're you're you're digging down through you know, the geology of the area, through the soils. So once you remove that cultural layer, it's gone. You know.
It doesn't mean that people shouldn't go down further, because perhaps they should, and they choose not to. But it's archaeology is destructive by nature.
Okay, Well that's a good segue. You know, it's funny because I've seen pictures of you out I don't know, if it's the Middle East, diggy in the trenches and looks like you have like really either shovels or hand tools or some kind of you're working on that hill or digging it through, so you know firsthand, I guess that was a twelve foot deep Neolithic trash
heap. So that's where potter pottery shards and things were. Um, no pottery, it was pre pottery, Neolithic, pre pottery before they were doing anything like that. So it's some of the earliest stuff and that was in Jordan. But yes, yes, it's very district, real quickly, and then we're gonna let you go. Do you think when we see places like Sakara that there is a missing part of their history, perhaps an advanced culture that came that isn't in the books because the books were destroyed or what.
Well, I'm I mean, do I think that there's something that predates the Old Kingdom? Yes, because when Old Kingdom shows up, it's it's a full blown culture. That's true. So I mean I feel like there's got to be something. It needs to have a predecessor of some sort. Now what that is, I don't really know. I mean I feel that way about the Sumerians as well. They're kind of a fully cooked culture already. Just rive. Yeah, it kind of seems like it, doesn't it amazing
where from Jendo. Always great to see you. We'll get you back here real soon. Sounds good, see a cliff. Always good to speak to Jen, And she's very insightful and of course a traditional archaeologist who has done a great deal of field research on her own. So, by the way, our program next week is with Professor Robert Temple, who wrote this amazing book called All the Serious Mystery based on his research of the Dugon people of
Africa. And I've been I'm studying preparing for that interview, which will be early next week. This is not a program to be missed because this book, The Serious Mystery is really quite an amazing study. It was such a riveting report in this book that people like Carl Sagan and many of the Orthodox just had a cow and said it was all bs and stuff like this and this. And Temple doesn't screw around. His research is the epitome of good
research. And he's got references and statements all through it. But anyhow, that's next week. Jen's gonna join me real quickly to talk about the Dugon, so we can expect to hear from her again in next week's program. All right, today's program is the Secret Code of the Step Pyramid of Dozier at Sakara. Ancient wisdom revealed. And my guest today is Steve Kalman. Hey, this is Cliff Dunning and Ed Barnhart inviting you to join us November
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join editing myself for one week of fun, adventure and exploration. Every year we do an amazing tour. We call it the Grand Egyptian Tour, and we've been doing it for We're coming up on our fifth year and one of the great sites that we visit is Sakara, and Sakara is considered very, very old. It includes a pyramid, the Dojoor Pyramid, the Step Pyramid, which many archaeologists, many Egyptologists, believe is older than most of the
pyramids on the Giza Plateau. I have an issue with that, But other than that, it is Sakara is a wonderful place. They keep finding more and more evidence of early early people there and it's fascinating to go in the tunnels into the crypts, and every time we visit it is an eye opener. My guest today has written a book called The Secret Code of the Step
Pyramid of Dojer at Sakara, Ancient Wisdom Revealed. And he takes a good look not only at the Step Pyramid, but at the surrounding necropolis of Sakara, which are the buildings and temples and surrounding pyramids in the area. And he also looks at the architect behind that entire area. In Hope Tep. He is an old Kingdom physician. We're going to talk a great deal about
him, as well as King Dojer himself. And I gotta tell you this is a book to get He just came out with it a couple of years ago, and it is filled with wonderful photographs of his own making, as well as a number of unusual photographs of the excavation of Dojor Pyramid. My guest today is Steve Kalman. He's coming to us from Ohio. Steve, Welcome to Earth Ancients. It's great to have you on the program. Pleasure
to be here. Thank you for having me talk about the title. The secret code of the Step Pyramid is the code what you uncovered in the design. Why would you say secret code, just the whole what you discovered after visiting the site many times. It's more the architectural not so much a secret because it's all out there in the open. But if you look at it with a different pair of eyes, you can see some of the things that
Imotep tried to impart as far as the design of it. The thing is it was a project that was went through five or six different building projects, so he was able to evolve his original intention towards providing a burial place for his king. But then he went up more a bit farther and he added something called the heaven Said Court, which in those days was a temporary facility made of wood or other materials that could easily be dismantled and taken throughout the
country to celebrate the king's continued reign through the head he said festival. So he is an interesting individual, and by studying the architecture, the almost get a sense of the man himself. It's it's very different from every other pyramid or temple complex. It was never added onto like other temples, like said karnak Or in Memphis at the Temple of Toss that there was always ongoing as to these temple complexes. But this thing seems to have survived in its pristine
architecture, even though it was dismantled. The limestone was carted off and reused for other projects. So it was a kind of a labor of love for me just to dove into what he was attempting to do and for what he was giving us in the future and teaching us through this architecture and what he was focusing on. I think it's important to realize that this particular step pyramid
is by far. I think now that I've studied it so long, that it's far more interesting than say that all the Pyramids at Geezer because yeah, it's got so much going on, it really does. Yeah, you know, I want to say that it must have been a real thrill to meet the architect, the archaeologist who worked on Gene Philippe Lauer. You had a chance to meet with him. Did he give you a sense that through interpreter, that it was a constant discovery in his excavation or was it just a
job? I mean he was there for what fifty years? Wasn't he almost like seventy years? Wow? Yeah, almost up until the day he died. I think, except for the last year. He worked on that project for over seventy years. It's amazing just to see video of him working with the Egyptian artisans rebuilding things, putting things back together, you know, replacing stonework that was missing. He was an interesting fellow. I mean we didn't talk to him all that long, but even though it was brief, I
was really impressed by his acumen and his stick duitiveness. It's just to stay there for many years. Now I understand why he was so obsessed with it. It's been so funny because when when whenever we're there, Muhammad mentions when we're on Elephantine Island, that there's a German group that's been there for over fifty years continually excavating that one little bit lot. So it must be just so amazing to uncover ancient relics and artifacts that you just can't leave it.
Yeah, and it's even the smaller things that they discovered, just inscriptions, that sends them down a different path than they thought they were going to go on. So it Yeah, I gotta I gotta give them credit. It's it was worth it the effort. And yea, his efforts, I was able to glean a lot more. Yeah, it's a gorgeous place. I want to mention that you are a retired computer systems engineer hailing in Cleveland, Ohio, also a musician, and so you have an analytic brain. It's
just that that's your makeup. And so what we're going to start talking about today does get a little not too technical, but you do get into some sacred geometry that I do want to bring up, which is very very important. What do we know? Oh and by the way, not only did you meet Jean Philippe Lauer, the archaeologist who was in charge of excavating Sakara one of your influences and your dedication of the book is Hakim Erwin, who
is an I call him an esoteric archaeologist. I've known about him quite a long time. Talk about his influence on you and what he felt was an important contribution of Sakara. Well, the two trips I took there, we had Hakim as our tour guide. Yeah, and he would always give us a greater understanding of what lay behind just these blocks of stone, you know,
the reason for these things. And when we got to Sakara, he was talking about it as being a temple of healing, a sacred place for healing with sound, which kind of rather profound when you think about it, because recently are they starting to use ultra high frequencies for healing. And it's his influence I think just opened up my eyes to greater possibilities. There's more than just a pile of rocks sitting here. There's something but else going on.
Yeah. So he was quite an interesting fellow in and of itself. I think the people who were given the opportunity to have him as his tour guide were probably given the best treat I think, because I thought he was unique of all the tour guides. You talk to other people who have gone to Egypt, and you get this canned yeah speach and it's like, yeah, okay, what else is going on here? And they're just, you
know, give you a blank stare. But yeah, what he's talking about esoteric knowledge, that's like some of the sacred texts and sacred data that was handed down by his teachers. I guess right, yes, quite. And more than that, his um families, the family of his uncle, gave him a greater understanding. And these these wisdom keepers are rather amazing in African cultures. These well call them basically walking history books. Just the amount of
day that they're able to remember. And then part And I think he he was very unique and I truly respected him. Yeah, very cool. Let's talk about Imhotep. He is a visier, which is a prime minister. He lived around twenty six hundred BC. He was the chief architect for King Dozier. Talk a little bit about this guy. He is truly a renaissance man. You actually call him a polymath, which is a genius in a number of different fields. But what's what's uh, what's this guy all about?
He comes out of nowhere and later he becomes a god. I guess yes he was. I think the men like triad was the god Pata sex and effort m, and he replaced an effort Um as one of the gods of men. This he People think he came out of nowhere, but I don't think that's actually actually true. His father was Conos, who was himself a royal architect, and his mother was Karduwak. And it's interesting that not
only was Imhotep deified as a god, but so was his mother. It's relatively recent discovery, and she was It's difficult to know anything about him because we don't have their tomb to look at, and usually they'll inscribe something about their life in the tomb. But the fact is most of the history of ancient Egypt, a son followed his father in his profession, so he inherited
the title of royal architect from his father. But the interesting thing is he was also the royal physician, so we don't really know where that is. My intuition tells me that maybe some person in his mother's family was a physician and that's why he had sort of had a dual occupation, and maybe even his mother was a physician, because some of the earliest mentions of doctors and physicians in ancient Egypt included female physicians. I think the earliest mention of a
physician was a woman named Marit Pata. She was actually the king's physician, and I think it was of a king prior to Jose or just after, but it was. It's important to realize that women were part of the medical profession. So it's entirely possible on his mother's side that she was a product of this vast family that were architects on one side and doctors on the other
side, and he was. You know, it are the intriguing issue, if it's an issue at all with m. Hotel, is that he was considered to be a commoner who was raised up to this exalted position and based on all of his titles, especially one called hereditary Lord. This also leads into the common practice of inheriting your father's title and profession and position, in this case within the court. So he wasn't really somebody from out of nowhere.
He was part of the Egyptian elite and a courtier, and he was It's hard to describe this guy because his mind must have gone all over. He's kind of like a da Vinci, you know, Leonardo da Vinci more so than that. Yeah, he was the chief carpenter and sculptor, vizier, which is a prime minister of Egypt, Royal physician, royal architect, the what were some of the other titles he had. I mean, he had like sixteen titles that he accumulated over the central and he was the man
was just must have had a totally expansive mind. I can't imagine anybody in recent history, even going back to the Italian Renaissance, who could even come close to this guy. Yeah. Now, one of the things I want to mention is that you bring up a civilization, very very early civilization called Msue Horror, who's prior to the first dynasty. They go back as far as recommended or suggested thirty thousand years, and you hint that m Hotep may
have had documents from earlier civilizations. And I have to ask you this. The architectural design of this area known as the hospital, which we're going to talk about in a second, is so different from anything else I've ever seen in Egypt. It's it's almost like it comes out of another period. Talk a little bit about your impression of that. They're called the chapels. Yeah, they're called chapels because that's the only archaeologists have for those. Yeah,
it didn't initially. The he said court, which are where these chapels are, served as a festival site for It's called the Festival of the Bull's Tail, where the pharaoh would go around a circuit kind of like a race track with two large monolithic pieces of stonework on either side of this track. He would run this course and it solidified his reign as a pharaoh, so he
would basically continue on being a pharaoh. Supposedly they were given on the thirtieth anniversary of his assigning the throne, but most pharaohs didn't live that long, so they would often do this sooner. The thing about the heab said court is that it has features which are part of the heab said ceremonies. For example, the daists that's at the south end of the court, and a couple of chapels which may have served to have royal effigies in I believe would
or similar similar makeup. But then after the said's over and after all the people have left, what would this he said court function as now, maybe other pharaohs used the he said court or the Great South Court to the south of the step pot imperiments for their he said festivals, but have said buildings as such were temporary structures, and they were meant to be broken down and taken down the Nile to other major interesting and they would perform the ceremonies at
that point and then break them down and take them further south. And this is how the pharaoh interacted, which is people and they kind of instead of because this the civilization is on Nile rivers like seven hundred miles long, and even though traversing the Nile is considerably faster than traveling overland, people may have felt distant from their pharaoh. And so the heb said went a long way
and solidifying his relationship with people and also legitimizing his reign. But the odd thing is it wasn't until the eighteenth dynasty, about thirteen hundred years later, when permanent stone built he said sites were constructed. I'm going to hope that the third had two heab said festivals and a site that was constructed of stone. So this one was in the third dynasty of the Old Kingdom is extremely different. I can't emphasize more that the fact that it's an anomaly le lends
itself to being interpreted in more than just being a festival site. For ye. And this is what you spend most of your book on. Is this area known as the heapset Court right? And not only is it arch architecturally amazing and unique, and it seems totally out of place there, uh we we learned later that uh it is a healing center, it's a hospital.
And you hypothesize that the design is based on the human skeletal system. Talk about this and this is this is actually a brilliant theory simply because when I go there, I we go to the chapel Uh one and two which are the ones. Part of zero is still around, but one and two is there. Now you can hear a very faint thump if you stick your head in one of these cubicles. But I want you to explain a little bit
of what your theory is. And in the minute here we're going to talk about the healing process which is very very unusual that was taking place at this at these chapels. Well, the first place you approach when you go to the step pyramid enclosure is the entrance hall. The entrance hall is has is
a unique architecture. The pillars or the columns down the hall are attached to the side walls right and archaeologists said, well, m. Hotel wasn't very confident that these pillars, which resemble read bundles used in domestic architecture, would stand on their own. The problem with that is at the end of the entrance fall there are four standalone columns ranted they look like double columns in the Eggit vestibule. And then when you go out to the Great South Court they
are standalone. I mean they're not attached to walls or anything like that. So I looked at at this entrance fall and for many many times I intuitively I said, there's a human spine in this. So if you take a ground plan out of the hall and reverse the colors black to white and white to black, something that resembles the human spine pops out. There are things in our spine called traverses or transverses. There are bony growth that are on
the sides, some of which are attached to our rib cage. But I felt it was the one thing that was really just stood out. Is the entrance vestibule when you walk right in, it is trapezoid in shape, which is very reminiscent of the human satrum, which is the pelvis. Yeah, and that sort of led me like, this can't be a coincidence. But as I went further on, it was more and more apparent that the spaces between the columns were meant to resemble the human spine. But I was running
up a problem. We have twenty four bones in our spine, but we're only twenty two spaces. Now, what's going on here? I goes right hand, and I couldn't figure out what the heck. So I kept looking at this and friends of mine, who are a couple of them were nurses, and I said, and one of them, I said, oh yeah, at T three, you've got the bones of the arm attached there.
So instead of being a space for a T three and L five, which is where the appended the legs and arms are attached him, Hotel changed the sense. So you really have to pay pay attention to get that. I mean, you're gonna say twenty two spaces and so what. But there's twenty two spaces and two sets of columns that are meant to point you towards the spots or the places on the spine where the legs and the arms are attached. And then in the egit vegetable view where you have these four rectangular shape
pillars, there's other things going on. The spaces equal bone and in those spaces you have the eight primary bones of the skull, the two sides, the front and the back, the jaw, and the nasal bones. And it's get You can't walk away from this and saying it's all a coincident because it's anatomically correct. Let me stop you. Right, there is their course stuff corresponding buildings that are close to those areas of the spine, like there's
Chapel zero, one, two, three, four and so forth. Do those correspond with a pathway that connects to an area that may have been a treatment center for various parts of the body. Not in the entrance hall itself, however, there is a doorway that goes out and eventually goes into the headset cord. How that is at a space which was at L three, And a nurse friend of ours said, oh, that's L three is where the spinal cord exits. The spine, the interior core of a spine and
goes out to the parasympathetic nervous system. And she was told a story that they had to be sure when they give spinal injections that they miss they get it lower than L three, so that the L three goes out to the L three doorway, I should say, goes out to the head set cord. And the east chapels there are twelve of them. Are have a unique design and for some reason I just picked up on the thing. If you look at a human brain, we have these folds and very undulating pattern on
the brain. And the east chapels, they're twelve of them have that same undulating type of architect you know, architecture. For your answer, and you have to go around the corner in such a and those correspond to the twelve cranial nerves. Yeah, this is brilliant. Now. Of course, this parallels the work of Schwaller Delubich in his book The Temple of Man, where he looks at looks our Temple. And this is what John Anthony West used
for his book The Striping in the Sky. The study of de Lubich's skeletal frame within the so Or temple and the energetics. Now, I don't think John Anthony West goes far enough and understanding this, and I don't think he possibly knew it. But it's possible that these temples sit on geomagnetic lay lines underneath them that are pumping up to lyric energy into the atmosphere. What is your sense. Did Hakim talk to you at all about geomagnetic energy coming up
through these temples to assist healing? Now? I don't think delus His idea was more that this is a something to consider in how the Egyptians designed their temples. But what do you say in this healing area at Sakara that is a possibility for energetics. Well, Hakim mentioned that he thought there were how many in states, like twenty two underground springs or underground vaults, and until
recently there hasn't been any confirmation on that. And then they've got those three large they're called masses or magazines or storage magazines, which have a lot of underground tunnels, and there are several other tombs which have very elaborate tunnel systems
in there. But recently they did a ground penning trading radar and they found a tunnel going from the south to against the south wall to the main burial chambers within the step pyramid, and there's there's like three other ones that go from the eastern side that go into those burial chambers. So there's a lot of things going on there. And if you have to also remember that during the time period when this temple complex was built, Egypt was a far more
green and verdant environment. What we see nowadays occurred about one hundred and fifty to two hundred years later when it became the desert in in hope, that's time there were trees, plants, flowers, when in fact, in the book there's a wonderful illustation by a guy named Sandro Vanini who had a before and after picture of paintings of what it looked like, and it's hard to
imagine that were there were trees, almost like forests in that area. So it's it's quite an interesting conundrum that we don't understand what was the area was like, and it's I think incumbent on us to look at things with a
little bit of more of an open mine. Yeah, you definitely have to when it comes to these early dynastic periods, Yeah, there's probably a lot more underground water systems because the Nile River was like half a mile closer to the Sakara plateau and it just migrated over the centuries due west, I should say, And so there could be a lot of underground springs. And this
is water. Sound energy travels something like five times faster in water. It wouldn't be surprising at all that there are remnants of underground springs and rivers. Did this um underground survey the scans that were done, did they detect anything in the chapel area, which is what our concentration is, I mean, because we do know there's a great deal of canals that run water up and
through the whole Giza plateau. I don't think they actually did that they I think it's the Latvian scientific mission, or the Tutelage, or the supervision of a French archaeologist what's his name, Bruno descends or something like that. Anyway, they really concentrated on the Step Pyramid and the Great South Court to the south. I don't think they ever went into the area of the heb said
court. They underground tunnels they found went from the east side of the Great Period out to something called the Great Ditch lack of a better name, and that's what they found so far. But I suspect if they did some more work in the heab said court, which at that time when they did the survey, was filled with rubble and large locks of stone, they would have to have that all clear it out and then run the ground penetrating right over
it in order to discover anything. Yeah, we're gonna take a short commercial break to give our sponsors a chance to identify themselves, and we will be right back with my guests today, Steve Calaman and his book The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid, will be right back. My guest today is Steve Kelleman, who has written a new book called The Secret Code of the Step
Pyramid. Of Doze are at Sakara. Ancient Wisdom Revealed, And this is a look at a specific area of Sakara known as the Hospital and it's unusual underground system likely waterways, and his belief that the ancient Egyptians used acoustic wave therapy as a form of healing. Let's talk a little bit about this discovery that you made in these chapels, these buildings. Again, they look out
of place. There are very anomalous buildings. They look like they could be nineteen thirties, something you know that you would see in the Americas or in Europe, very modern style for supposedly being built during the Old Kingdom period, which is almost five thousand years ago. Again, when I was there, we were told to put our head and listen to whatever we could hear.
And there was a subtle thump that we kept hearing, like there was some machinery under their or water being dropped into into storage tanks or something very very very very odd. But your belief is and you were told that these are these chapels are resonators and that they were using harmonics for healing. So talk about this discovery, how the patient was interacting with the physician and how the
healing was taking place. According to Hakim, the two niches that are in Chapels one and two, the patient and would sit in there and below the physician would create audible sounds or humming or chanting into Yeah, I think that's
what it's called, and it's um. I suspect that when these things were fully built, and we may not be able to prove it now, that when they were complete the harmonic residences went up to the patient and it may have induced like a trance state through which I think the physician priest would in tone, uh harmonies or sounds. And it's just I mean, our voices
only have a very limited range. But they're finding out now that frequencies in the above the audible range and like one hundred thousand hurts are capable of producing healing of major diseases. So something in the design of these chapels must have resonated and created a higher frequency, which in turn aided the physician and healing patients. It's difficult to know. I mean, they're so incomplete right now, it's difficult to even guess and to how the whole mechanism worked, but
it'd be interesting to find out. I'm curious, did you ever get an explanation for what is inside the buildings of these chapels. I was always wondering if there was like special stones that were great for resonating or perhaps carrying geomagnetic charge or so forth and so on. Do we know? Did M Well?
They were ically filled with limestone bricks or very rough. It would have been about two feet wide, about maybe five inches tall, ten or twelve inches deep, and they were stacked up and it's loose packed stone in there. If you go, you can go on top of there, if you're adventurous enough, you can see the infill material that hit up the inside. They're not hollow um. But being as it's mostly used limestone um, there's
part probably a lot of crystalline material in the stones, like crystal. Yeah, and it just helped amplify the toning that the priests will do interesting talk a little bit about and you write a good deal about water as an important conductor of sound. Uh. And this would go into the thinking that perhaps m hopep designed these chapels underneath a waterway or canal carrying water, and perhaps they would pool underneath each each chapel, so that each chapel was used for
a specific part of the body. But talk a little bit about how water is incorporated. That is highly speculative. But Aquin thought that there were water channels underneath the head, said court. Now how they were used, where
they were located, we just don't know. But water is a conductor of sound electricity more so than for example, like I mentioned, sounded frequencies traveled through water about four and a half to five times faster than through the air, so you can rapidly develop a healing I can put a frequency in water
more so than in air. So if there were provable columns or these, if there was some sort of channels of water which have since dried up because of the climate change, then we'd go a long way and try to figure out how these things were used. Hopefully one day we'll we'll actually be able to get into the tunnels that did Latvian scientific mission discovered and see what's going on there. It's interesting that there's a tunnel going from the south to to
the underground chambers in this step pyramid itself. Yeah, I mean that. I mean I don't know if any other temple or burial site that uses that kind of underground structure, unless you're talking about Giza and some of the things
that might exist there. Yeah, you know, it's funny we mentioned in Hoptep as the architect behind it. But I'm suspicious, and you kind of give me this suspicion in your writing that he may have found an existing temple and added to it, not not that does your pyramid, but some of these advanced buildings and using his thinking and enhancing that, because this is what a lot of these ancient civilizations do. They'll build on earlier temples. And
we know that the Great Pyramid was modified many times. It's likely. Don't you think that Sakara could have been modified from an earlier people? You know, yes, it probably was, now depending on your perspective. How far back in time were these earlier people. Were they relatively recently, within a hundred years of jose building his step pyramid or were they thousands of years?
You just don't know. I suspect though, that when Josiah wanted to build a permanent monster liam for himself and perhaps his family, that they went to Sakaran and they discovered a few unfinished buildings, like what is known as the
North and South pavilion. So these I think were mustabas that for some reason they stopped the building, but he took them over and started to renovate them and create these rather ornate looking pavilions, as well as the original Mstaba that had the two this tomb shaft that originally was to the surface that hadn't finished. And it's kind of funny if did you get have a chance to go inside this pyramid this time. Yeah, we will. I've gone twice.
The last two times we visited. We got to go into the heart of the pyramid. Right. Here's the interesting thing that I when I'm looking at all the old photographs from the original excavations, the sarcophagus in the main tumb chamber is the largest one in Egypt. It's bigger than even the bull sarcopha guy at Sarapeum, and the other sarcophagus in the south tomb is a smaller
version of it. And it's the only ones in all of Egypt that we're built out of blocks of I think it's grantite if I'm a yeah, And other sarcopha guy are solid piece of granite that are carved out and then hoisted into position into the tomb. These are the only ones made out of tinker toys. The big strips like big blocks of granite that they've stacked. Yes, they don't look like SARCOPHAICI at all. They look more exactly And and
there's no lid. There's this big giant plug. And the funny thing you watch other programs on television and they have illustrations and they show a couple of guys trying to lift this plug out of the tomb so that they could put in the pharaoh's body. But this thing is two and a half tons. And that's the suspicion that a lot of people have, especially with the Eastern sarcophagus, is that it's not a resting place for body at all. It
was another some other purpose exactly. And so when if you look at what the one photograph that was taken when they were first excavating in the interiors that pyramid, there's a there's about was it seven meters of rocks and rubble that are even with the top of the sarcophagist. My suspicion is imputs have found it that way twenty six hundred BC, and he said, this ain't gonna work. See that your suspicion is My suspicion is that that he found a
series of buildings and just just enhanced them. Yeah, I mean, when you're taking to the fact that Joseph's reign was only nineteen years. Yeah. And there's a egyptologist, an Egyptian egyptologist who I saw him on a program. He took some Stonemasons and they took a wall of limestone and they chipped away for about an hour and they got in like an inch deep, and
it's a pretty large, you know, entrance size. And what he did and literally back at the alvelope calculation, he said, well, it would have taken twenty years, twenty four hours a day with a large expansive crew to kind of dig out all of these tunnels and two and chambers underneath the
step pyramid. But Joe's here's ragin only lasted nineteen years, yeah, which which shows that he probably discovered it when oh yeah, and all the things like there are forty thousand vases and let's talk about that for a minute, Steve this because because you talk about these uh forty thousand and you also write that and some of the vases and stoneware it's marked with kings of the first
and second dynasty. Yes, but one of the big questions that have been coming up with these forty thousand pots is that engineers and people in uh ceramic arts have shown that they are of a high skill level. Oh yeah, and they're not common for any dynastic period simply because the ones that are great elegance and that are in museums must have been cut on a lathe, which is a machine that spins a block of stone very very fast and then it has to be cut. But some of the stones are quartz hard door,
right, that's very hard to cut. So how in the hell do they cut them so well? They had a technology that we don't understand and have yet to replicate exactly. You maybe have a simpler way of doing things without the use of a diamond lathe or laser cuts or whatever. Yeah, you just don't know. Now. These vases are, like you said, very very beautiful, very intricately cut. There's one called from the First Dynasty that's in the Chiro Museum. It's called the disc of Sabu, very very usual.
Yeah, it's got three it's a three parts of it are overhanging the interior bowl and it's cut way, it's it's made out of What is this? What are they doing? How do they do this? And this is why I'm thinking that the High Period, the Classic period of the Old Kingdom is actually greater than say, even the New king because there's a lot of
things going on that we're commonplace. But a rather sad period of time called the First Intermediate Period, when the climate of the whole planet and especially the Nile Valley changed from a green, verdant savannah to a desert that takes up the entire north half of Africa, and whatever reason happened, yet that skill set was lost as well as the esoteric knowledge was lost, and we can't we could speculate as to what happened there. But the documentation we do have,
the first in media period was major civil war. People said said the Pharaoh has failed us, the gods have vailed us, and things just went to hell. Yeah, things got destroyed, Memories were forgotten, esoteric knowledge was destroyed, you know all that, and a lot of this information is um how can I say it? It's it was an oral tradition, right, and when the priests were vacated, had vacated all these temples, things just got lost and they never really were able to reconstructed. Kind of a
dark kind of a dark age, very dark. Yeah, stories of cannibalism, I mean, things got that bad. I'm curious though, I want you to I'm going to bring up something else that you bring up in the book. Doesn't it feel like in Hotep might have inherited a lot of the science from a previous people. Perhaps there there are books their texts there, and maybe it was handed down. He was higher up, and he had access to a sacred library that doesn't exist anymore that had this healing technology and
perhaps other technology. It's entirely possible. Yeah, there's something called the Edwin Smith Papyrus, which the author of which in ancient Egypt claimed that it came from im Hotep. So having a larger library of eso arret and medical knowledge is not impossible. It's sad to say, we just don't have any proof
of it, but it seems logical that he did. And again there the oral traditions that were passed down through the temples, and he was a high priest in the temple in Heliopolis, so that there it's most likely that there was an esoteric tradition that was handed down to him. Given the from an architectural standpoint, using the sacred geometry, the enclosure of what's the fellow's name
up writing about it was a second dynasty. The actually the predecessor to Joser had a very large enclosure in Avendos, and I discovered I thought that Imotep was not operating in a vacuate he had to have some sort of tradition of sacred geometry that was given through his father and his grandfather, who may have
been architects themselves. So I went and examined this. It's fascinating to see that the sacred geometry, which even Egyptologists and said, well, that was something that the Greeks invented and carried forward to the Romans, etc. But when the Greeks came and invaded and took over Egypt, they brought back the knowledge of sacred geometry. It's kind of like taking coals back to Newcastle. It's something that they they returned with it, and it was what I discovered.
It was kind of a simplified version of sacred geometry, but it was very prevalent after the rough period of the First Intermediate Period. That doesn't seem to be very widely spread. I haven't done a wide range of looking at plans of other temples from the middle of late New Kingdoms, but they don't seem to have that level of aherence to sacred geometry. It's something something very
close, but it's it's not quite the same. Let's talk about that sacred geometry you suggest in the South entrance that there is a design that is similar to the human geome. Right now, I want you to talk about that, because that's that is a very very sophisticated statement number one. Number two. If the Old Kingdom, the Old dynasty had that knowledge, that would be extremely extremely advanced, a very um. It's entirely possible that they inherited
this information from an earlier civilization like the Shemsu Bore. Yeah, however they may not have understood it. It's kind of like you're you've got a blueprint for a Boeing seven forty seven and you give it to a very relatively simple people and he said, this is a great thing. That's a really great
Steve, that's a great I didn't even think about that. You give somebody the schematics for a machine and say build it, and they're like, well, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, because I can't. I'm not I didn't, I don't have the tools. But will worship the gods who created this blue print. Well that's what that's what happens. It did. Yeah, so the eggs and vestibule uh just pop. If you look at it, it's like two semicircular columns with a central um bunch of
stones between them, and to me it looked like the terry telamaries. Um uh, losing my headache. It's telomaries part of the A when like for example, when A when this sperm injects itself into the female egg, it goes through a gene splitting or cell reproduction, cell reproduction at some point it has when it before it becomes two separate cells. It resembles the columns in
the eggs and vestibule. Think yeah, so it's at the moment of separation of the one cell into two cells that's called the telomeras and then separates. It comes two separate cells, and nose cells separate, and on and on. Now, the interesting thing is in the entrance hall itself is a replication in the stone. If you go on and take take that further, the
twenty two columns in the entrance hall correspond twenty two of our genes. There is a twenty Yeah, the DNA that the twenty third is what differentiates male from feldmale. You got two sets for female and two sets for male, two X chromosomes for female and an X and y. So that makes twenty three. So if you're going to replicate the human genome, you have the twenty two columns of the um entrance hall. You go into the exit vestibule
and you have two different sets of columns. Yeah, you still mention twenty third. You're mentioning that. And when you go through that entrance, there's little rooms between the pillars, and perhaps those rooms were a little examination rooms
or healing rooms or something's going I don't know if that's the case. There is one there's a pair of of or a chamber which is kind of a U shaped chamber, and as you go up the spine, the two lungs are roughly at that position right further up, and you have another chamber off to the north. I call it the heart chamber. This one is a little different in that it's at the position of the let's see the fourth thoracic m spine, spinal bone. Yeah, right around in that area is the
human heart. Right, So you have a number of different parts of the human body that are relevant to the canopic storage of the bone. The internal organs when they are put in the anopic jars and stored with the person, the mummy, right, and it's kind of interesting that that still holds true, you know, with their burial practices. So does in hope that suggest any of this theory in any of his writings that we have left. We
have nothing from him. He has written nothing. Well, if he did, it was probably lost during the first Intermediate period, like I discussed. And the other one is the Edwin Smith papyrus, which was written by a person of Bath thirteen hundred years later. Yeah, well, accredited to im Hotep. So it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy
of a copy, And so we really don't have anything. But if you look at the architecture of the Step period enclosure, in a sense he has written instructions in a sense of how to approach the architecture and how that relates to the esoteric knowledge. Right, you just have to put on a different set of glass. So tell me what your feeling is when you read um the Temple of Man by Schwallow Dlubitch. Do you feel that it's the same
conveyance in the dot design because it looks our temple. He's telling us that the structure of the temple is the human skeletal body. Yeah, this cranium, the spinal column, the chest, the ribs, the legs, the
bones, the feet are the temple. Now are you? Are you suggesting that the design in um uh, this medical area, that is the chapels and the hipset is a your suggestion as to human body, right in a sense, yes, the human The thing is it's different than the temple of look sort, where the entire temple is an analogous to the human body and its totality. The entrance hall is strictly the human spine from the sacrum to the base of the skull well includes the skull. Actually, okay, here's
the interesting thing. The god of healing was the god Pata. He was also the creator of the universe, okay, and his The symbol for Pata is the gen pillar. The gen pillar is supposed to represent Pata's spine, and the our spine is also analogous to supports the structure of our body, while the jed pillar supports the structure of the universe. Now, the interesting thing is the number forty two pops up in Egyptian culture in many different ways.
There were forty two gnomes or states along the Nile River were governed by no marks. There are forty two pillars in the entrance hall. Number forty two is very in there's forty two judges that judge a person after they died, before they can enter into the field of reeds. So the number forty two is quite constant in ancient Egyptian culture. But if you reverse that forty
two, it becomes twenty four. So that the interesting thing is the entrance hall includes the number forty two, which is the number of the gods, I would and the number twenty four, which is the number of man with their spine. So if you look at it that way, the gods are forty two. If let's say your four fingers on your right hand are forty and then your thumbis number two. Is that human beings were created in the
image of God. So forty two is the mirror image of twenty four, or rather twenty four is the mirror image of the gods number forty two. So that esotericism, I think was really passed down and continued on until say Moses, who was living with the royal family and probably had esoteric knowledge available to him. So when your genesis says man was made in the image of God, that's where it began. So the Book of Genesis in a sense
was written in stone and the entrance hall for the step Pyramid. It's it's it's really fascinating. It has both the stone is the number of gods and the spaces between the stone is the number of man's part of the same architectural reference. Wow. The book's called the Secret Code of the Step Pyramid of dojor At Sakara, Ancient wisdom revealed. My guest today has been Steve Kalman. What is the what do you want to what do you want to leave
us with on this book? Steve? Uh, there's so much in your book, And yeah, I mean we didn't even get into sacred geometry, which is a huge part of this this entire place. Um, what are we left with in terms of a evidence of advanced uh culture medicine. I mean you're hinting at a sound vibration for healing. That's the tip of the iceberg, right right right. In fact, Imhotep even had a birthing center built in this complex for women to give birth, so it was far far
ahead of our time. In fact, most of the medical paprietary we have about forty percent of them are related to women's gynecological issues, so they took care of their female population far more than than he was previously thought. Yeah, this whole complex was probably added working as a hospital for a while one
hundred and fifty years until the bad times of the First Intermediate Period. But time frame, the idea of having a hospital in your local temple translated down into to other temples like Temple at Ludsore, other temples like the Temple of Karnak. They probably had a physician priests on their staff. The local temple was also the local hospital, so in hotel created a greater probability of better healthcare. I mean, physicians in those times basically worked out of their homes
individually. But in this case, I think there's also a teaching hospital like we have now today. Very efficient physician priests were trained by older priests and there that knowledge kept being improved and written down and passed along to future generation. So it's much more than just a healing place. I think it inspired
other healing sites throughout Egypt. Fascinating. You know, it'd probably make a great deal of difference if they the antiquities would allow more scans ground penetrating radar. We just had a couple of people on the show that revealed the satellite, new satellite that's using a stick sound ways to pierce the Great Pyramid and discovered all kinds of new rooms and channels and shafts. We sure could use another scan of this Sakara, couldn't we? Yeah, I think that may
well happen. The last one was in two thousand and seven. However, the situation in the Middle East is a little dicey for you know, that kind of exploration. Plus there might be some of agiatologists who are reticent to allow future or other expeditions to do even more. Why why why do they allow that? Why don't they allow that? It's kind of the not invented here syndrome. Yeah, that's because I didn't discover it, nobody else is
allowed to discover it. Yeah, yeah, so's They're very territorial. No matter where you go, Archaeologists are very territorial. Right, They're funding is dependent on them producing the goods. Yeah, exactly. Uh, Steve, where can we get the book? I think it's on Amazon, right, It's Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It's also on my website. Stevecoalman dot com it's k A L L M A N. Steve Steve e Commen dot Stevecoalmen dot com. Um. And you have a website Steve Stevecomen dot com.
Uh uh which has other information. Uh okay, it's a site for purchasing the book, right right, So what's coming up for you anything in the future, anymore work? You're gonna get over that Egypt again, I hope. So I'm in a contact with Patricia a Lion, and I hope to go over there and beat up with her and do some more work on the step pyramid enclosure and see what else is going on there. Maybe you can get down in there. Like I said, every time we get into
the interior the Dozier Pyramid, we have another shaft to explore. They open it up to people. So yeah, well kind of great. Yeah that when I was there, it was totally closed off. Yeah, I couldn't get inside, which is probably just as well. Yeah, but I hope they clean up the north court, which is, you know, almost like a spoils dump unfortunately, which which I think was originally going to be used as a small farm from growing the herbs and vegetables and food for the staff.
Healing herbs, and I think that's what the intention of that was. I mean there are granaries there. I mean, yeah, kind of store stuff, you know. You know, the real sad thing is that it's so dry and humid and not human but just very dry and windy. Nothing can grow there. Now. Yeah, it's sad, but you know that's what happens. You know, global environmental changes exactly ruined it for the rest of us. Steve, real pleasure to have you much success on this book,
and thanks for joining me. Thank you very much, Cliff Steve presented is just one of the many aspects of Sakara that are coming to light. I mean, the indigenous people of that area have known about this so called hospital for centuries. And you may have remembered Muhammad speaking on how different locations, different temples were used and during the different seasons of the year they were sanctified in terms of ceremony. You went there for healing, you went there
for blessing. I think that in the ancient times, perhaps even before the Old Kingdom, the previous civilization would use intention to intend on having a successful, healthy, happy existence or period of time or and I have a sense of that we don't have any writings on that, and this is something that's totally foreign to Egyptological communities or Egyptologists, and I think it's a sad statement that they're unable to use or consider other forms of information that have been handed
down. And this is not something that is widely accepted. It's in some of the doctrine, it's in some of the writing about subtle energy, and it's just overlooked by orthodox archaeologists because it doesn't fit into their mode of education or thinking. Huge loss, huge loss. We see this in Mexico with the Maya and the fact that they do not speak with the indigenous people who are still there, and including scientists where they're known as day keepers. These
are the calendar ocal scientists who keep the calendars up to date. And I mean this is a terrible loss, and hopefully up and coming generations of archaeologists anthropologists begin to open their minds a little bit for the possibilities that indigenous wisdom has an important part, It is an important part, it has an important contribution and isn't very important in our community and needs to be looked at a
more open mind. So I got to say this too, this is The real problem we have with our history right now, with our current crop of archaeologists and egyptologist is the fact that they are not open to these wisdom traditions, these oral traditions, and we are losing tons of historical data because they will not consider oral traditions. And even I think the bigger problem is that they're using carbon dating as the be all determining factor for age and it's looking
more and more, especially in the pottery that we find now. Sakara has just you know, sixty thousand plus pieces of pottery. No one talks about that because they don't know how to explain it. They're all cut on machines.
It's all not all of it, but a good portion of it that you can see, and it's in the local museums is cut on a lathe or some form of machinery, and that's not a dialogue that they want to tackle because they can't explain it. So a lot of a lot of things go by the wayside, and we just need to get a new crop of are more open minded and transparent scientists who are working on our history. And as Jen said, you know, it's a real pain in the butt to
start writing re writing the books. But they're gonna have to, They're really gonna have to. So good to have steal on the program again. That book's Secret Code, The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid is available on Amazon. It's got a ton of wonderful photographs, and he really gets into the sacred geometry. We could spend another hour on the sacred geometry that he goes into and how the different sections of this hospital relate to the health of the
body, the physical body itself. And you know, one of the things that he didn't talk about is that there were what they call surgical ward areas that sat on top of very interesting stone casines and stone floors. And I have a feeling that those floors were resonating because if they're granite floors, there's a lot of crystal crystalline aspects of that stone that can help in vibration.
So perhaps, I don't know, we don't know. We have no idea what kind of healing properties and are healing techniques they were using, but they're sure advanced. Real fun to hear. Hey, I do want to mention we just released our new dates for Egypt in twenty twenty four. It's going to be April twenty eight through May ninth. We all meet in Cairo. This is and by the way, this fills up really fast, so if you have any inclination to want to come with us, it is a world
class tour. Everything is covered. All you gotta do is fly yourself out to Cairo. Everything else is covered, and it is twelve days of discovery of just amazing temples, buildings, pyramids, lots of it is private, meaning that we go out on our own bus, we enter and we explore on our own and the food, the beverages, the hotels from the start
to finish are just world class. In fact, we jokingly say that this is a diplomatic tour and everyone who comes is a diplomat, and it starts as soon as you and as soon as you show up at the airport, you are treated like royalty, like a diplomat, and everything's handled and you are skirted away. So if you have any inclination on coming, it is again April twenty eighth through May nine. For more information, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours. Look for the banner that says Egypts.
Look at the itinerary. We change it a little bit every year, but it is pretty solid and we do a lot of amazing things. Register as soon as you can, i'd say, announcing it. We're a third full and we only think about thirty people, so we ten people that are already ready to go, some of the some people that I've been wanting to come along. We had a lot of people that canceled during COVID that are now reregistering and they are joining us. Get on board as soon as you can.
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