Well, here we are. How are you doing? Welcome to twenty twenty four. We're in a new year, a new cycle. I was looking at my horoscope, but I follow the sidarial, which is the Hindu form of astrology. If you do a search for Hindu astrology and you know what your sign is when you were born and what your sign is, it tends to be a little more accurate. And I got that it's gonna be a
good year for virgo. I'm a virgo. And also I happen to be, in Chinese astrology a fire monkey, and it's gonna be a good for fire monkey. So that's good news. I will say this though, if you've been wanting or considering tending any of my tours that we're doing this year. We got Egypt in April twenty eight through May ninth. We got Turkey August fourteenth of twenty fourth, and then we have Mexico in early November. This is probably the last year I'm gonna do. I'm gonna skip twenty twenty
five and concentrate on writing. It takes a lot of energy to build up to these tours, so that should be a fire. If you're under you, if you're interested in touring, and the tours are fabulous, but there are very time consuming, energy consuming I have to do. For Egypt, I have to do advanced interviews and editing and dealing with graphics and posting and things like that, and it's just I'm gonna take a break. So although I'll miss Egypt, i'll miss Turkey. In twenty twenty five. I'm still
questioning Mexico because it's so close. It's only a few hours to get across the border into Mexico, So I don't know if I'm gonna cancel that for twenty twenty five. But if you want to come with me this year, go to Earthacients dot com, forward slash Tours, check it out. And that's a consideration. Other than that, I'm looking forward to this year, and not that twenty twenty three was bad. Actually it was okay. I
just feel, as i'm talking to you right now, invigorated. I have a new producer, Gail Tour. By the way, kudos to Gail, she is wonderful and on top of things, I'm continually growing the podcast. And by the way, in April this year we are celebrating ten years on the internet. Earth Ancients has been around ten years. Can you believe it? We launched April May twenty fourteen. Where was I and I lost it in Oakland, California, not too far away from where I am here.
But I mean, I've interviewed people around the world and it's been fun and it's been it's grown, you know. Occasionally get a letter from somebody who go, hey, Cliff, I caught your early podcast and you've really changed. Your voice has changed, and your attitude's changed, and your and your style has changed too, and that's nice to hear. And occasionally we do earth ancient special edition in the archives and we'll pull a recording from twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen, twenty sixties, those very very early years. I was on a different network, had different equipment. It wasn't necessarily that good. Sometimes I would do an interview using iPhone EarPods, which are in the mic attached to that. Those are, oh my god, They're terrible. And you can hear it. You can hear it in the recording, you can hear it in the poor editing, you can hear it on another number of
different levels. So I'm all about change and so constantly reinventing myself. You're gonna hear some format changes on the show, and it's just about tightening things up and getting it out to a wider audience. So some people have asked me to extend the show another hour. I can't do that. I just I don't think people want to hear two three hours. I'm not Joe Rogan, who can just sit and talk for two or three hours. And I mean, really, I'm all about expediency, condensing and getting the most out
of sixty minutes. Now. I have to say this. When I have certain guests who are long winded, we won't name names, you gotta let them roll, you gotta let them get it out. And some interviews I've done, I've maybe delivered six to seven and maybe even eight questions and the guest will go on for each like fifteen minutes per question. So that's the show right there. So and I let it roll, and I know you
can hear it, and hopefully you don't mind. I have another side of listeners who want me to tighten it up and get into like the thirty to forty five minutes timeframe. I will never go there. I just can't. I don't feel comfortable. I want to know more about each of my authors, each of my guests, each of the scientists who are on here.
Thirty to forty five minutes is a waste of their time. It's a waste of your time, because I would think that you want to hear more about what's going on about these people, and so I think sixty to ninety minutes is a good time frame. Ninety minutes is going to be rare in twenty twenty four. Most of these podcast recordings, these interviews are going to be sixty minutes with the interview breaks. So I'm looking forward to twenty twenty four.
We have a stellar lineup, and we're also growing on social media. We just crossed over. We have two social media pages. We have the International Group page, which has just crossed over seventy two thousand people, and then there's another site. It's the it's kind of the fan page for Earth Ancients, and that's where I have hardcore students, scientists and those of you
who really want to drill down. And that's where we post most of the galleries from interviews, and I try to do what I call show notes or podcast notes on each guest that we have, because they'll refer to some and they'll have or an excerpt from a book or a graph or an illustration, and I post those so that you the listener can see exactly what we're talking about. Now, given that information, I want to remind you that we do have a YouTube page and it's Earth Ancients Official. On YouTube. Just
type in Earth Agents and then the word official and you'll see it. It was launched about less than a year ago and the company's based in London and they are coming up to speed on posting some of these interviews from the last four or five months. Graham Hancock's on there. And I have a problem
with YouTube because they edit and they'll take you down. And I was just given a warning the other day that the portion of Graham Hancock's interview where he's talking about using DMT and the legality of it is an infringement, so that may be taken out. But that's the reason I mean. I'm posting on YouTube because I want a wide audience of people. Some people really like to
see the authors speak and give answers. I'm not a fan because they're becoming a problem and you'll hear about it from others, but I will keep posting on YouTube. We do video, we do zoom and the images captured and you can see it there. So if you want to see the last few weeks, go to Earth Ancients Official on YouTube and you'll see all the details. I mean, I like the visual part, but YouTube police is too
much. They really do and oh it's kind of a problem. So today we have the return of Stephen Schwartz and he is presenting remote viewing for the coming year twenty twenty four and the future. And I gotta say that, because this is a political year, the interview gets into the politics, but
it's not like this person's bad, that person's bad. Is actually more focused on the humanity of the parties and breaks this down is in an area I kind of agree with because when I used to talk about candidates or people in office, I would get in trouble from you and from others. And Stephen has broken it down into blue states and red states and his analysis, which by the way, is on his free newsletter, the Schwartz Report dot org.
Check it out. The Schwartz Report is free and he uses remote viewing but also specific analysis on how people are surviving in the United States. Is United States specific and it doesn't look good for Red states simply because they're kind of taking basic rights away from people and clamping down almost in a I mean, it's almost like a pre Civil war kind of a situations kind of challenging.
And I have a lot of listeners in red state areas, red state portions of the United States, and I have close friends, I have relatives in red states, and there's just a lot of change going on right now. And we're a united country. We're supposed to be the United States. Everyone gets freedom, everyone gets access to healthcare, everyone gets access to literature, and so forth, and so on, and the list goes on and
on or not. So listen along to this interview, and when he says red states and blue states, you'll hear him describing the issues revolving around this. And I will say this. You will not hear me talk about specific candidates, but you're gonna hear me start using this terminology as we get into the previews of the elections. I'm marry and then the general election, and I like the blue state red state scenario. And you know, people have
you know, supposed to be well meaning. These people who are in office well meaning, well come on it's not well meaning. And of course I'm a Northern Californian. I'm a California kid born and raised. I have, Like I said, I've been around, I've lived in different parts of the country, I've come back here. So I'm a Democrat, and of course I'm a LIB and it's short for liberal. But for me, it's not so much a party line. It's more what people are getting as a citizen
of the United States. What does that mean? What did the founders of our country the Constitution right into law? And how is that being manipulated today? So those are kind of some of the questions. So today's program is with Stephen Schwartz, and it's remote viewing twenty twenty four and the future.
As the year comes to an end and we're talking the end of twenty twenty three, We're going to take a look at what were some of the trends, what were some of the activities, What are we actually focused on as a species, and why and how are we evolving. My returning guest is Stephen Schwartz, who is a scientist, who's a futurist. He's an author and he is the editor of a fascinating daily blog called the Schwartz Report,
which I highly recommend. So I also want to mention that he is part of a consortium of remote viewers and we're going to get a look also at twenty fifty and twenty sixty. These are two different projects that he launched a few years ago, and he is able to give us a sense of where we're headed as a species, what our society might look like, and some future predictions. So a pleasure to join you, Cliff, given what we have been through this year twenty twenty three, and if we can start looking
at what is expected. Twenty twenty four is an election year and a lot of things are coming to a head, simply because our politicians are moving and shaking to solidify the votes. And we don't want to get into politics too much. But what would you say we can expect economically right now? Our administration has very positive numbers for the economy. But what do you feel is the possible outcome for the next year. Well, I think just as you
say, and as you know, ideal only in objectively verifiable facts. I don't care about political partisanship except anthropologically, the way you'd study a tribe or a cult. So I don't care about that. What I care about is fostering well being and things which foster or don't foster well being that can be objectively measured. So I think twenty four. Of course, it's going to depend how the election comes out. Biden has actually done pretty well economically.
Inflation is down, cost of many things is down. We still have a problem because most people don't really see this, and the reason that they don't is that things like inflation rate they don't really see that as part of their lives. It is, but that's not how they see it. What they see is how much it costs to buy ahead of lettuce or a gallon of gas, or to go to the movies or something. So if Biden wins, I think that the economy will continue to do better. I think we
will see an increase in hourly wages, particularly in red states. They're already very different. I mean, few people know. For instance, the average hourly wage in Texas is seven to twenty five. In Washington State it's sixteen oh two, so it's more than double. So where you live. If you live in a red state, you're getting paid per hour much less than if you live in a blue state, and so if Biden wins the election,
then that's going to continue. If Trump wins the election, I mean personally, I will say I can't imagine how a man with ninety one indictments and a long such a long list of criminality could possibly be the choice. But Christo fascism is a very significant issue in the United States, and so it's just it is not clear to me who's going to win. I certainly hope it's Biden. Biden's problem is he just isn't very charismatic. And Trump
may be a criminal, but he's quite charismatic. So that's the real problem is that people, you know, they see Biden is too old. But the fact is he and Trump. I mean, what there's two years difference or something. So I mean, if one of them's too old, they're both too old. It's that Trump is much more charismatic, and also he
speaks to the hates and resentments the racism that's present in the country. So if he wins, I think we're going to have well, first of all, we're going to stop being a democracy, will become what it's called an anocracy. That's it appears like a democracy, but in fact it's controlled by a small group, so we'll become an inocracy, and the experiment of democracy, which has lasted for over two centuries, is to come to an end.
So I am extremely concerned that Americans really realize what fosters well being for them. That's what I look at look for. I mean, in terms of the remote viewers, I know that between twenty forty and twenty forty five we're going to go through some kind of cataclysmic change. In that five year period, they describe the United States as continuing to exist, but that real power has devolved to the states and groups of states now for instances. That's
the remote viewers. Now of what we know from factual, objectively testable data is on the In March, the Republicans are going that people in Texas are going to vote whether they will succeed from the Union. Yeah, I've been
reading abous. Yeah. Texas is a unique state in that for about ten years, not quite ten years, after they broke away from Mexico, they were a separate country, the Republic of Mexico, and so from March of eighteen thirty six until February of eighteen forty six, they were a separate country. And when they wrote their constitution, they wrote into it that the citizens of Texas had the right to secede if they didn't like what was going on.
So we're going to find out just how big this chrysto fascist minority, or if it's really a minority in Texas, and we may actually see a state try to succeed secede. So and then there are other parts like Idaho, where there are a number of counties that would like to break away and form their own state. So in twenty four we may see some very dramatic changes in the political structure. I want to move on stepanto the environment.
This has been one for me, and we've had serious climate alterations around the world, and I'm curious in terms of climate change or environmental change, what is on the front for the next year, and if you can move into perhaps the next few years, what you feel and what you see through the
remote viewers that you work with for the world. Well, one of the first things a cliff that when I began doing the twenty fifty project, I've been doing it for forty five years now, So in nineteen seventy eight, when I began the twenty fifty project. I had two big concerns. One
was where we going to have a nuclear war? Because I had been a member of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Secretary of Defense Study Group on Innovation Technology in the Future, and I had held the same position in the Smithsonian Institution Discussion Group on Innovation Technology in the Future. And I had the number of high classifications because I was the special Assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations. So I was pretty concerned. I'm almost sure that we were likely to have
a nuclear war, not just by intention, but possibly by mistake. And in fact, although very few people know this, were it not for one Soviet colonel Stanislav Petrov, we would have had a nuclear war. He just
wouldn't push the buttons. And by the time they sent a troop out to arresting, they found out that what was originally thought by the Soviets this is the Russians, but the Soviet Union period, they thought there were incoming American missiles, and so they ordered the officers who controlled the missiles to fire them back, and he wouldn't do it. And by the time they got to arrest they realized that there was a malfunction in their computer radar system, and
that there were no American missiles. So that's how close we got to an accident. Wow. And the other thing that I was interested in because I had begun to read about it in very obscure scientific papers, was about climate change. Because I couldn't imagine climate change. I just didn't make any sense
to me. I didn't know, I didn't understand what it meant. But what happened was I interviewed for the fifty project about four thousand people all over the world, not just Americans. But what really set me off was my lab at that time was in Los Angeles, the Mobius Lab, and I was getting people to remote view the year twenty fifty on the same day. So if it was the twenty eighth of December, I would say, go forward in time to the twenty eighth December twenty fifty and tell me what you
see. Anyhow, in one case, I was down in Santa Monica and I asked the person that I was interviewing, you know, what does it look like, what's going on? And he said, well, large part of Santa Monica is underwater, and so is Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach and Newport Beach, all the coastal areas they're underwater. And I thought, why
in the world would they be underwater. I went to a friend of mine who was one of the leading climatologists in the United States, and I said to him, can you tell me why I keep getting these because that wasn't the first one. Why I keep getting these stories about the coasts of California And in other countries Bangladesh for instance, India, Japan, France, anyway,
a whole bunch of countries where I had done these interviews. I said, so many of these people on the coastal areas talk to me about the coastal area being underwater. Now, why would it be underwater? And this was before climate change was really generally even discussed in the science community. I mean, it really didn't get started until ninety one with an article that was published in the American Scientist. Anyway, And my friend said, and we'll
leave him nameless because I don't want to embarrass him. He said, that's just nonsense, you know, world, you that's just crazy. There's no reason that it should be underwater. You just you know, remote viewing, it's just you can't trust it. And I said, well, so far it's beginning to look pretty accurate, and you said, well, then I
don't know what it is. But then, as I said in ninety one, the first paper that I saw, which was actually about ice coring, but which dealt with climate change, was in nineteen ninety one, and subsequently more and more papers about this. And now if you do a Google on you know what will be the situation where you live in twenty fifty or twenty
sixty. What you see is large parts of the country are going to be underwater, about half of Florida, the outer banks of North Carolina, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Philadelphia, Washington, d c. The projections are that we're going to see a significant sea rise. And the other thing that the remote viewers talked about was that there were also parts of the country in which water there was not enough water. It was a huge problem. And again
I couldn't make any sense out of that. Why would that be a problem. But if you look, for instance, at the Colorado River, seven states depend on the Colorado, what you see is it's drying up, Lake Mead, Lake pal the Great Salt Lake disappearing. The Mississippi River is drying up. So I think also the remote viewers more of the twenty sixties than the twenty fifties. But both they talked to me about three big migrations. One migration was away from the coasts because of sea rise, and as I
said, you can already see that happening. I mean, for instance, in Florida, the insurance companies who pay very close attention to this, you can't get home insurance or only at an exorbitant price, because the insurance companies are leaving Florida because they don't want to ensure they're because of climate change anyway, So sea rise causing migration away from that southwestern United States, migration out of those states because not enough water, and because the temperature gets too high.
And again you look at Phoenix, they're talking about one hundred and fourteen degree temperature for a number of days in the year, particularly in the summer. That was actually my next question, and the severity of the temperature changes. I think you're just mentioning Arizona. They had a whole month of triple
digit heat that was on record never before having that. Is that something that we can look forward to in the coming Yes, Okay, We're going to see significant temperature rise and not enough water migration out of the Southwest, migration out of the Central States because of cataclysmic weather events like tornadoes that destroy whole
towns. And that's already going on too. I spoke at a medical conference in Oklahoma, and I said to They had a dinner afterwards, and I was seated next to a I don't know, a county commissioner or something like that, and I said, well, what do you all think about climate change? And he said, I don't believe in it. It's just a misinformation being provided by the Democrats, which I thought was a rather bizarre answer.
I said, well, then what are you concerned with? He said, well, what I'm concerned with is how many times do you rebuild a town? And I said, I don't understand. He said, well, we have a town. It's been destroyed by tornadoes twice, and so the question is how many times do you rebuild a town? And I said, and you don't see that as climate change? And no, no, no, nothing, It's just variations in the weather. So we're going to see
three these three big migrations for which we're completely unprepared. I was speaking at another conference, again a medical conference, and I said to these doctors who had asked me about climate change, I said, what would you do if five thousand diabetics showed up in your town? Where would they get their insulin? And who would treat them? And after I spoke, the group of these doctors came up to me and said, we couldn't possibly cope with that.
I said, well, where would these people go to the bathroom? Where would they sleep? And they said, we have no idea, We have not made any preparation to deal with things like that. And I said, well, you know, you asked me to talk about the future, I would begin preparing for that because that's what's going to happen, And in fact, that is what's happening. So what we're going to see with climate
change is really radically different environment. It's also going to have a big effect on the breakdown of the what I call the matrix of consciousness, all the thought the ecosystems of the earth, as things go extinct or have to adapt. And another thing that I think we're going to see is more pandemics. That's another thing that was first brought up to me by the remote viewers.
And I said, well, you know, what's healthcare look like in the twenty fifty and they said, well, there's been a series of pandemics and I immediately thought, you know, nineteen eighteen Spanish flu. I mean, that's the only thing I could think of, polio. I remembered polio. And they said, well, no, it's not those, it's that it's just things that we don't know anything about, and that's going to kill millions of people. And I said, really, when will the first one start?
And they said, well, the first one will be a blood disease that crosses over from primates to humans in Africa, and it's going to come to the United States and in the world. It's going to kill millions of people. And of course that's aide and it killed thirty five million people, and then tars and H five n one, Ebola, and of course COVID and which it's killed over a million people. And also the other thing you can see clearly in COVID is the inferiority of the healthcare in the Red States.
And I think that's going to get worse. We are already beginning to see medical deserts form A medical desert is an area where you can't get healthcare. The Dobbs decision has had a huge effect in the Red States on women. So it's to such a degree that we basically have two levels of healthcare now in the United States, particularly in the Red States, women cannot get an abortion a B because of the threats of these laws that have been passed.
The obgyns are leaving. Now. You look at a city, for instance, like Sandy Point, Idaho, they only have one hospitality of about nine or ten thousand people, they only have one hospital and about oh it's about seven months now, the only hospital in the city announced they would no longer give obstetrical care, and as a result of that, the obgyns left. So if you're a woman in that part of Idaho. So, I mean, what's happening is in the Red States, particularly, the quality of
health care for women is going down very significantly. We already have the worst maternal mortality rate in the developed world by orders of magnitude by the way. I mean, it's not a little difference, it's a great, big difference. We have the worst infant mortality. So if again, if you're you're
a woman or you're a child in the United States. In some states you just don't have very good healthcare right now, what I see in the future is that from talking to the remote viewers is that healthcare has changed very significantly. Genetic engineering is one of the big reasons. And again what the remote viewers described for twenty fifty and twenty sixty is you can now see that happening. You look at the crisper technology that's going on, the genetic engineering,
that's the gene splicing technology. Yeah, gene splicing, gene manipulation, right, and what you see is that's going on. Now there's another part of this that I actually find quite scary. It's going on at the moment, principally in Asia, in China, and that is the creation of a new species of human being. I call them Homo superior. These are genetically manipulated children. You know, you want to have a child that's as smart as Einstein, that' says athletic as I don't know, Michael Jordan, and is
attractive as you know, name your favorite movie star. And that's going to happen. And it's going to happen principally with wealthy people, particularly when it comes to the United States. With wealthy people. But let me just stop over a minute, Stefan, that has to be done. That's in vitro, right, So or are they manipulating the ovum or the sperm to create a super race. Well, it's to create a super race, and they're doing both. And it isn't clearly yet which is going to become the best
way to do it. But what is clear is that, as I say, particularly in China and other Asian countries, but it's starting here in the United States. And that is all these very rich people because of the United States, you know, we basically are controlled by an oligarchy. I mean, you've got four people who have as much money as forty eight percent of the population. The tax codes are entirely written to favor the rich. We have become a country with the worst wealth inequality in the world. I mean,
America is a country in very deep trouble. And I get that very clearly, not only from doing the Schwartz Report every day and the podcast every week. I call them every month, you know, That's what I do. I study these social outcome data and again I'm only interested in facts. I'm not interested in the political philosophies and what you see is, for instance, with the Homo superior, is that the very wealthy is going to be
very expensive. And we don't really have healthcare in the United States. We have an illness profit system. We also have the worst healthcare system in the developed world. So it's going to be too expensive for average people to do it. But what's going to happen is very wealthy people will, as the technology develops, will want to have as I said, children as smart as Ienstein, as athletic as Michael Jordan, and as handsome or pretty as whatever
movies star are they like, and they'll pay to have that done. And then what happens when you have a community of Homo superiors, what's going to happen to the Homo sapiens. They're going to become a kind of peasant class. They're going to become well, I got kind of slaves in a way. Yeah, I hear you say. Is the Homo superior a fixation or in place by twenty fifty or is it more like twenty sixty, roughly thirty six years from now? Is it more well developed? Yes, it starts
in the twenty forties and by the twenty fifties it's further along. By the twenty sixties, it has become a significant issue. Okay, so let me stop you real quickly. There I wanted to interject is the poor man's version of that Elon Musk's neurallink, where he is using technology and implanting it in the brain, and this is the kind of a quick fix to get smarter, to have more intuition. We don't actually know because they're at the very
early stages of that. But what you're feeling on the neurallink, well, I think the neurallink is a part of this impulse to create Homo superior. This is the way he's approaching it. I don't think this is the way that it's going to really take off. It's going to take off through crisper and it'll be gene lining, so the children who have been manipulated, their children will also have the same benefits, and it's going to start spreading.
But my concern is because already my concern is the United States is really controlled as a result of the Citizens United decision by the Supreme Court which legalized bribery. What you've got is a small group of people who are using their money to rent Congress people or Supreme Court justices. I mean, look at Clarence
Thomas for instance, how much more corrupt could he be? And do you think that these people who take him on these fabulous vacations and you know, buy his mother's house and let her live there for free, do you think if they ask him to look at something, he's not going to do it. Look at his wife, who made huge sums of money getting involved in
the insurrection, do you think that that's not influencing his legal decisions? Or the other justices, and you'll notice it's all the conservative justices because again facts, the group of people who are particularly giving way to this, cooperating with it, participating in it, are these the maggot crowd, because they want to be able to be the powerful people. They want to be able to
be the ones who make the decisions. So this schism that I call it the Great Schism trend, we are becoming two countries in a single nation. And by the twenty five period that may be part of what happens that we really settle on this. And it's going to be very interesting to watch what happens. In this Texas poll that's our vote that's going to take place in March. Yeah, but the succession issue has been up in the air for
years. They've helped do it a number of times. And I think I read somewhere that their federal funding is so huge that they would be a third world country that is decided to go off on their own. Because that is correct. A third of the Texas budget comes from federal funds. So if they were to secede, yes, they would become a third world country. In many ways, they are a third world country. I mean if you look at medical care in large parts of Texas, you look at their educational
level, you look at what they're doing about healthcare. I mean, you go on and on. It's not a state, not a state I would like to live in, and particularly if you were a woman. So yes, what we're going to see, I believe, and I'm doing this research right now. I'm going to write a book on this. Is that these when I was asking the remote viewers, I didn't know enough to ask certain kinds of questions. So I'm going to have to get another I'm going to
have to do yet another group. I did four twenty fifties and I've done about twenty five hundred, twenty sixties. I'm gonna have to get because I need There were a lot of questions now that I look at it that I wish I had asked that. I just I didn't know to ask, right, I mean, who had heard of climate change? Who'd heard of Homo superior? Who'd heard of these internal migrations? I didn't expect any of that. Nineteen seventy eight, did you expect the country to be in Trumpville?
I didn't, right, So I didn't. I just didn't know enough to ask questions. So now I'm analyzing the data in order to develop new questions. But what I can see is that we are a very different country from our parents and their parents, right, yes, yes, you know, the middle class was really created after the Second World War by Franklin Roosevelt, and then it was followed on by Harry Harry Truman and Eisenhower, and then with Reagan it all began to shift. So we're going to see in the
twenty four election whether we're going to continue as democracy. Right now, that's going to depend on the people that are viewing your show exactly. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with my guest today, Stephen Schwartz, working with remote viewers and looking into our future. We'll be right back. This program looks into
our near future and distant future through the use of remote viewing. This is kind of like a tapping of the psychic awareness and looking into Earth's future and getting a sense of where we're heading. And my guest today is Stephen Schwartz. All right, we've talked about the evolution of the species I'm interested in and what you see, what you feel are the robots the aids to the human species. And in the last few years there's been a number of very
very good programs in their actual movies. Netflix just released a movie called Rebel Moon where there's one robot called Jimmy, who actually is the voice of the actor Anthony Hopkins plays Jimmy, but he's a very sophisticated robot who not only is highly intelligent but also physically able to help humankind. What do we see about the robots in our future? Well, I think AI is a big
issue. I don't think it's clear how it's going to go. The remote viewers in the future talk to me about many things are run by these highly intelligent AI creatures Automatron, but I didn't know enough to because I couldn't imagine. I just couldn't imagine it, so I didn't ask all the questions that I should have. As I said, I'm going to have to do another
whole group. But what AI concerns me about is the ethical standards that are programmed into it, because we're going to see a lot of jobs replaced by AI. You can already see as a result of the COVID pandemic and computers that the interiors of the centers of a lot of big cities are going through a crisis. I just did a piece on Cleveland, for instance, where they recognized what was happening to them, and they're turning office buildings into residences
and creating parks for the people downtown. And I'm beginning to also see skyscrapers, very tall buildings turned into vertical farms because of being able to grow the produce that they need. So cities are going to change radically. Though the world that the twenty sixties describe is much more It's much more like the Nordic countries, the architecture is minimalists. People live in smaller community ease, there's
not as much air travel. Of something we haven't talked touched on the development of the hologram, so that you can create what essentially looks like the person in your in the room with you, but it's a hologram. And so the holograms, which are part of the AI trend. People live in smaller communities, they don't travel as much. They communicate using electronics created by AI
and holograms. So are you referring to a hologram of someone you're speaking with, like a match version or they might be on your okay, So a pro in the room with you, a projection of a yeah, hologram okay, gotcha? Now you could do You and I would be doing this interview and it would look like we were sitting around a table, but we would both be holograms. Right. So that's going to radically change what society is like. There is this very different kind of healthcare in in the Progressive States.
I think they're going to create universal birthright healthcare what every other developed nation has. We don't have. The illness profits system will continue at least for a while. I can't tell you exactly how long, but in the Red States, so they're going to have very poor healthcare. So we're splitting into
two countries. And if you look at it right now, just where we are in twenty twenty three, almost twenty twenty four, in a few days, you can already see that we have two different cultures going on, and they're getting more and more different. And it's not in all the ways that you know you think about, Oh, it's just a technology, No it's not. For instance, I just give you an example. The Red States are much more religious than the Blue States, and they're much more they emphasize
morality more. And yet Red states have a higher level of divorce rate than Blue states. And Red states have out of wedlock childbirth had a much higher frequency than Blue states. So despite all this morality. Oh and finally, Red states, which makes such an emphasis on marriage, actually have a much higher divorce rate than Blue states. So that's what I mean by different cultures. You know, culture is the creation of individual choices. That's what creates
a culture. That's why you watch different sports in some countries and not in others, or as I say, that's why the Japanese cook eggplant differently than the Italians. Those are culture choices, individual choices which collectively create culture. And so what I see happening is that we are becoming two cultures, and that this is going to continue as far as I've been able to look twenty fifty twenty sixty. What I don't yet quite understand is what happens between twenty
forty and twenty forty five. Now, part of it is this culture business. I thought for a while maybe it was that we got contacted by aliens extraterrestrials. I don't see that. I mean, that may be, but that's not That's not the big thing. The big thing is the change in the culture, the change produced by climate change. So it's not one thing. It's a conglomerate of things that alter the country and the living patterns in the country very dramatically. I try to track this every day in the short
support the daily podcast or the podcast. I try to track this, you know, I read something like eighty journals a day in order to find out what's actually going on. Because corporate media doesn't cover most of the really important things that are taking place. It's podcasts like yours and others who are interested in these things, who ask me questions about them. I mean, you just don't see on the big corporate television stations. They just aren't talking about
it right now. You know, why aren't they talking about It's another issue. But in any case, what I see happening is a radical transformation. And if I were giving advice to someone, I would say, doah, google and find out what happens, what is projected to happen in your area about climate change. So I want to I want to jump into another question here. So one of the things that you brought up was UFOs alien interacting and perhaps changing our minds, changing our outlook on life. I've had doctor
av Lob on the program from Harvard a number of times. He is so unusual and so clear as to understanding his belief that we are being viewed from perhaps very old civilizations who are sending probes. The most famous is the Omaha male probe that he now believes was actually passing through our cosmos, but actually also inventoring the planets that are like Earth and so forth and so on.
What do you see near future and distant for either contact with civilizations or interacting with UAP UFOs more clearly, more substantially, rather than just them flying over and we look at them and they then fly off again. Yes, well, I think what's going on, and I think it's very clear actually, is that UAPs are monitoring what's going on on Earth in the same way the cultural anthropologists monitor what's going on with Primi tribes. That is, they're not
intruding on us, because that would change what they were observing. I mean, imagine if a flying saucer landed in the lawn in front of the White House. I mean, right, So they're monitoring us because every culture of every species on every planet gets to a point where the technology either overwhelms them and destroys them, or they awaken and take control in a way that allows them to use technologies to foster well being. And we're at that place.
I think this is true of every on every planet in the universe. There comes a time when your technology either takes you over or you wake up and you realize that all life is interconnected and interdependent, and you choose differently to foster well being, from the bacteria in your soil to the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and everything else. And that's where we
are. If you look at the data, you can see we are destroying the Earth's ecosystems, the coral reefs as an example, the melting of the poles as an example, the fact that it is projected that thousands of species are going to go extinct because of the largely because of the change in weather, or because of the pollutants that we put that industrial chemical agriculture is proving to be a mistake. That it treats the soil like a platform, not
like a living system. And as a result of the chemicals we use, things like round up the glyphosates, that we kill off the bacteria, and that the plants don't prosper, and the insects don't prosper. And if you look at what's happening to the bees for instance. So we're at that place.
We are standing at crossroads where we're either going to be destroyed by the things that we've done because we do not recognize that all consciousness is interdependent and interconnected, or we're going to awaken and we're going to make different choices and we're going to demand different kinds of performance. And you can see this in
the end of the carbon era. Look at what's happening. The petroleum companies are pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into advertising to protect their corporations and protect their profits. And yet anybody that's got a IQ higher than their waste sized can do a Google and in a half an hour understand that petroleum products used in internal combustion engines are destroying the ecology. So we are at the place where we're making the choice, and it isn't clear yet how we choose.
I would say that the twenty fifties twenty sixties, first of all, that tell me about this cataclysmic period between twenty forty twenty forty five, and then they say we're on the other side of it, and the world that they describe suggests that we finally wake up to the idea that consciousness is causal and fundamental in science and in life. If that's the case, then you believe that the current occupants of the UAPs are anthropologists and other scientists study in our
species. What does the future look like? Twenty fifty twenty sixty, Did you ask any of those kind of questions? Who are the occupy? Do they make contact? Do we get a sense that we are part of a collective of a group of planets, cosmos, universe, whatever. Yes, in fact, I think you know, it's it's very interesting. If you look at the abduction literature, what you find is many stories of people being probed genetically, and I think what's happening is is that that is the crisper
technology being applied. They are trying to change our species. Oh. Interesting in subtle ways. Yeah. Well, for instance, I did give you an example. Years ago, I had dinner with Arthur Kessler. Arthur Kessler was significant thinker author at the time. You don't hear so much about him now, but he was a big deal. And he said to me,
and he wrote this up later in one of his books. I asked him about the same question you're asking me, and he said, well, you know, about one hundred thousand years ago, we changed from there were several species at the same time, Homo sapien, Neanderthal, denisovan, and the Homo sapiens came out on top. And he said, I think what happened and you look at the stories of those periods and they talk about these contacts with what we would call UAPs. Well, not of the beings whose technology
the UAP are. I think he said, this is Kessler. I think he said they came and manipulated us in a way that was passed down from generation to generation, and that that's how Homo sapien came to be the dominant hominid species. And I think that may be true. He may be correct, because if you look at this, I say, if you look at the abduction stuff, you see all these stories about particularly women, fertile women being probed in the genitals. Now, why would they do that? And
the answer I think is because they are genetically manipulating us. And you manipulate, you know, a relatively small group a few thousand and over the course of centuries. If they're change passes on to their children and their children, you could change the whole species. And so I think that they are watching us to see which way we're going to choose. But getting back to that point on the twenty fifty twenty sixty, were there any discussions or revelations of
a meeting and an acknowledgement of our place within other civilized planets? No, okay, but that and also you have to remember it never occurred to me to ask the question. I'm just going to ask you that, probably because you're asking these like twenty years ago, right, Well, I started in
seventy eight. From seventy eight to ninety one, I did the twenty fifty and to give you a sense of so, just so we're clear here, they predicted and it has turned out to be true, you know, because I told you I was concerned about nuclear war particularly, and left government and and so I was really really concerned about nuclear war. They said, well, we don't have a nuclear war. And I said, well, what happens to the Soviet Union? And they said it doesn't exist right yet?
And I thought, you know what, And I went around to friends of mine who were in the futurist and the geopolitical community and asked these people, you know, can you imagine? I asked these people, and they say, it doesn't exist. And they, to a person said to me, that is absolute nonsense. What do you think space people came and looking away, I mean, it's nonsense. And yet, of course Christmas Day nineteen
ninety one, so the Union ceases to exist. When I said to them, tell me about health care, they told me what I've already said to you about pandemics. Right, They told me about climate change, and I didn't have any idea what to make of that. So a whole list of the things the twenty fifties told me would happen by twenty fifty are in the process of happening. And the same is true of the twenty sixties. When I look at the trends that they described, that's what I was interested in,
trends and oh, well, I'll give you another one. The twenty fifties they said to me, well, you have this thing that you can wear on your wrist and it will allow you to talk to anybody in the world. Now what you know, Star Trek. I didn't buy my first computer till nineteen seventy eight. I only had sixteen gigabytes of memory. So something you carry around on you wear on your wrist like a watch, and
it allows you to talk to anybody in the world. I mean, I wouldn't even at the time when they told me this, I didn't know what to make of that, so I didn't ask further questions. What they also told me was that the coming end of the internal combustion machine, and now the twenty sixties take that even further. And just say they're gone. They're just that they don't exist anymore. So it's all electric cars at that point,
or hydrogen or water or something. Yes. Oh and the other interesting thing is when they told me about electric cars, yes, electric, I thought, and you can see it happening again a cliff. I thought, what would end up doing would be to go to a gas station model of charging. You know, you'd go to a poor station. Yeah, plug your car, no, what the remote viewers said, and you can see
it happening now. Strangely enough, the latest one I've seen is in Florida, is that the roadways charge the cars and trucks that drive on them. Yeah, I saw that, and so you don't have to stop and get charged. So the remote viewers describe that, and it turns out it's becoming true. They describe this very different healthcare system. It's happening. So my current assessment is that the remote viewer material is eighty three percent accurate. Eighty
three that high. Yes, well, actually, remote viewing in general that over the fifty sub fifty sixty years I've been doing this is always between seventy eight and ninety three percent accurate. Wow, I mean all the archaeology projects that I've done, finding the lighthouse Affaros, one of the seven Wonders of the Ancient World, finding one of Christopher Kale, Missus Caravels, finding the Brigleyander finding. I mean all of that, and I expect to see using
multiple viewers, not everybody gets everything right. But where you look for consensus or for what we call low priory, something you just wouldn't think of, that tends to be between seventy eight and ninety three percent accurate, And my current calculation, as far as I can do it, of the twenty fifty and twenty sixty data is eighty three percent accurate. Wow, it's amazing, Stefan Schwartz. This has been a fun look at the previous year and what
we can look for in the coming years. I want to ask you about two things that aren't typical for questions that I would ask, but I want to ask you anyhow can you give us sense with your remote viewers of the previous Homo sapien or human in the last epoch in other words, the last high civilization on Earth, and give us a sense of how they perceive the world compared to what we have Now that's not necessarily an easy question, but I think there's a lot of I mean, if you look at it from
the Hindus perspective. In the Yugas, they believe that holmost sapient sapien are current. Current physicality has been around for millions of years. No, and one of the things that I'm curious about is is that there's a great deal of dissension among the archaeological community and individuals like Graham Hancock and myself and others who are saying there was a high civilization previous to us, and through uh
terrestrial collapse and changes, that civilization was destroyed. No. I got interested in Atlantis because I read all the Edgarcacy material. I was one of the people who found the what was called the Biminy Highway. Were right. Yeah, along with Margaret Adams, Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken Fame, I we thought we found an Atlantean temple. No, the reason that educasy talked about Atlantis was because the people who asking the questions were passionately convicted, kicking
convinced that it existed. And when you do remote viewing, the attitudes and expectations of the questioner have as big an effect as the impulse or intention of the viewer themselves. Wow, that's interesting. So that's a whole other subject that people, very few people understand. So then there's the whole business about Egypt and the raw Ta period and the Atlanteans helped build the pyramid and blah blah blah and all that. None of that is true. And I don't
say that speculatively. We know who built the pyramids, we know how they built them. We literally know the name of the man who was the construction chief, and we know where he's buried. So no, the Atlanteans didn't build the pyramids. We know from the genetic material. Studying the genetic material,
we know how the genetic distribution occurs. For instance, very few people in Asia have Neanderthal genes, but lots of people in Northern Europe do as an example, so we can track how the genetic changes occurred as they spread out across the earth. There is no evidence. I'm sorry. I know Graham Hancock, I don't know him very well, but we've met a couple of times. But it just isn't true. What's going on is what's coming to us, Except I do believe that Arthur Kessler, may and John Mack,
who did all the abduction research. When I talked to John about this, for instance, he agreed with Arthur Kessler. He said, I think it is entirely possible that these abduction issues are really about genetic manipulation using some kind of advanced crisper technology, and that what they're trying to do is to help us survive. That may be true. I can't disprove it. I can't prove it, but it makes very good sense to me. Yeah, I am. I think that there have in the past, long past,
there may have been contacts with extraterrestrial civilizations. There's certainly some artwork that would suggest that there are some legends that would suggest that. It's not easy to pin down for absolute certainty, but I think it may be possible. I think we may have contact in the future, and not even in the very distant future. But I do not that that is not what I am principally focused on. I don't have any question that we are being watched in the
same way that cultural anthropologists watch tribes. As I said, we are at best crossroads as to whether our technology is going to destroy us and the earth, or whether we're going to wake up and only permit things which foster well being. And the real issue for me is every day, you and I and every one of your listeners make dozens of little choices about all kinds of things, and the question is are we choosing to buy because that's like a
vote to buy things from corporations which foster well being or not. I notice, for instance again you know I look at these trends. If you look at Subaru, they in their advertising are making a big deal about how much they support charities foundations that foster well being because they've figured it out. Now not every company has. But we need to make every day in our choices to choose only those that are compassionate, life affirming and fostering of well being.
It's up to us because culture is created by multiple choices. So if I can tell your people anything, it's make choices which foster well being. Stefan Schwartz. It's always a pleasure, and I appreciate the time that you have given us to take a look at the twenty twenty three and into the future. I want to mention to you listeners that Define has an excellent daily blog called the Schwartz Report and he posts articles and compliment uh comments from around
the world. Uh. I suggest that you take a look at that is it? Is it the Schwartz Report dot org or dot com, dot net, dot net. Okay, that's the one. Give us your uh uh your web address and your also your your podcast data. Okay. My personal website where you can see movies of my archaeological remote viewing projects by the way, and actually watch people do this is Stephan s t E. P h A n A s c h w A r t z dot com. Stephana Schwartz dot com. That's my personal website. You can get all my papers,
my books, uh videos, all continents. Go to YouTube, search on my name. You can get all my papers. You can go to YouTube and search on my name and get all the videos. You can go to Schwartz Report podcast and get my weekly podcast. Sorry, the podcast is only posted on the on YouTube. Right. No, it's on all kinds. It's on TikTok and Spotify. Okay, good, all kinds of things. So you got it on the internet. Name. One that I look
at is YouTube. Okay, excellent, you can get them. I make all this stuff available for free, and I encourage you because I want us to survive and prosper much appreciated always, it a pleasure to speak with you. Have a good holiday, and Happy New Year's to you. Happy New Year to you. You take care now. Stefan had a lot of interesting things to say. I am concerned personally on the environmental issue. I know a lot of people believe that's just humbug, but I think it's something to
pay attention to. We have issues with water in California. We had a deluge of water last year, and we have reserves. I mean we're over I think it's like one hundred and ten percent over normal, So that's great, but we're having sporadic rain right now, so we may need that water
later. The other thing about California is we grow seventy five to eighty percent of the fruit and a lot of the nuts that the rest of the country consumes, and so we need our water and we need a regular rainfall to replenish the soil and to water the plants, and so when we have dry spells, it's serious. It's a problem. So and I have a close friend that lives in Arizona, and he was telling me about the triple digit heat that they were going through this past summer. And I mean we're talking
one twelve to one sixteen, one hundred and sixteen degrees. It's unbearable. I can't imagine. I was in Vegas one time for a conference. It was like one hundred and I will say this, it was like one hundred and twelve. And I didn't know it because it was dry heat. But when I looked up some hotel and there was a temperature gauge giving out the one twelve, I thought, oh my god, is it really that hot? And then I looked down and I had a pair of crape soul walking
shoes and the soles were melting on the sidewalk. And it was like, oh my god. And that's the other thing. You don't know. It's that hot. I tell you. You know, you get you know, heat stroke or something. So I quickly got off of the road or I was on the sidewalk, got back to my hotel very quickly, and had a nice cold iced tea. So yeah, I mean, environmental concerns are huge for me and they may be for you too. So nothing new,
I mean, that's something really to consider. Hey, we have Mohammed Imbraheen next week. He's got a brand new book out and it gets into the antiquity of Egypt and the Middle East. And he's got quite a few photographs that we'll share on the Facebook page and we'll share on the video. And I want to remind you that Earth Ancients is now on YouTube. The channel is Earth Ancient's Official. We've only got about I think maybe twenty videos that
we have edited. I doubt that we're going to go back to the beginning. I think we started zoom in two thousand and twenty one. We have a smattering of video, so we can't go back to the beginning. Earth Ancients to date has about six hundred and fifty programs since twenty fourteen. So if you want to go back and here the very beginning, go to earthancients dot com and you'll see the programs and you can just simply listen to them,
to them or whatever device you're using. It can even be your computer that you have speakers on. Yeah, that's those. So anyhow, looking forward to seeing and talking with Mohammad. And again, remember we're gonna take a break after twenty twenty four So this is the year to do the tours. We'll be in Egypt the twenty April twenty eighth through May ninth. That is a grant Egyptian tour, and I gotta tell you, our prices are half of what you normally would pay, and I wanted to mention this too.
We are adding a couple of different temples and kind of out of the way outdoor museums. A lot of people don't like the outdoor museums because they're not shaded, and when it's hot, it's really scorching out there. But late April early May and the weather isn't that bad. And so there's one magnificent museum. We're going to go to an outdoor museum. It's in Memphis, and it holds the Ramsey two sculpture that weighs almost eighty five tons and
it's about forty feet tall. We're gonna see that that's a real anomaly. And then outside there's a whole bunch of freestanding statues that very rarely are visited because Memphis is off the beaten path, funny because it used to be the capital of Egypt in the Old Kingdom. But it's very close to Sakara and we spend most of the day in Sakara, and then on the way home we stop at this outdoor museum in Memphis. You gotta check it out.
It's amazing. So that's one place. We're gonna also see a new interior crypt that has unusual writing says some strange things apparently about the ancient past. And then there's some museums we're gonna add too, so out some other outdoor museums. So and we each month we're adding, and I'm gonna keep adding until we make this. It already is an amazing tour, but we're gonna
make it even better because I'm not coming back in twenty twenty. I'm taking a year off, So twenty twenty four is your year to come with me and Mohammad to Egypt. Do it because the price is going to probably go up by a considerable amount, probably fifteen percent if not more in twenty twenty six. And all the information on Egypt and Turkey. By the way, we're going to be in Turkey August fourteenth and twenty fourth and Mexico. Go
to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash Tours and check it all out. If you have any questions on any tours or anything we're up to on Earth. Ancients go to Earth Ancients. The number four of the letter you at gmail dot com. Hey go say Cliff, what's going on here? What's happening? And I'll let you know. I'll get back to you quick. So happy New Year and the year's starting out. We're moving right along and best wishes to you thanks to my guests today a Stiffen Schwartz special. Thanks to
Gail Tour, Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right. Take care of me well and we will talk to you next time.