Hey, Hi, how are you. We're doing a special edition. You know, I have so much content right now, I can't get all of it on a single show. And you know, we don't spend a great deal of time with each program. You know, we got an hour for the interview, and we got a few notes here and there. But there is so much happening in the world of anomalies, ancient civilizations, anomalists, hybrid humans, and on and on into god whatever you can think of,
you know, UFO, alien and so forth. And so I'm and I have this new producer, Gail tor who's always sending me stuff, and it's like I can't keep up with it. So we're doing a special edition regarding these strange humanoids in Peru, these mummies. And if you remember about what was it six seven years ago to twenty eighteen, Melissa Tittle from Gaya when she was with Gaya, came on the program and said, you know, we're doing a program, a special program on these Nasca, Peru mummies.
And I was like, well, what is that all about. Well, some tomb raiders had been climbing cliffs close to the Nasca area Nasca Lines, the world famous lines, and ran across these mummies, and these mummies had three fingers and three toes, e long gated heads, very unusual facial features, and they looked human, but they looked also very alien, like the
classic Grays. You could say. Well, Guya ended up spending perhaps a few million dollars to do a series of investigations that include well known scientists, a Russian physicist, all kinds of really amazing people, and came up with the series The NASCAR Peruvian Mummies. I think it was a seven or eight
part series. Melissa came on the program and introduced it, and there were a lot of speculations because when they did the DNA study they found that it was partially human, but then there was a whole bunch of DNA that was not It was very strange, almost unworldly. And then after that, you
know, Melissa left Gaya. We didn't get a follow up because gene sequencing takes a long time, so we didn't get a sense of exactly what was what on that, and so you know, it was fun to have around the program, but we were like, what are these are these hybrids? Are these human beings? Are these aliens? They sure looked like aliens with
three fingers and three toes. So coming full circle to today on March twelfth, just a week ago, well, now it's about let me think, a couple of weeks ago, a press release went out that said a new species of humanoid previous unknown to science, has been discovered and guess war was discovered in the Nasca region of Peru and a grouping of caves close to where these early mummies came from. By the way, that first mummy that we
were talking about that Melissa introduced was called Maria. Now I've seen pictures of this new mummy and it's a child. It's a small child that's been embombed, but it has a beautifully elong get his skull. It's got a face that looks very alien, but it's got the three fingers and three toes. They have scanned it, they have X rayed. It's biological. It's not fake. It is the real deal. So the program today is going to
feature this. And we have a award winning filmmaker, documentary filmmaker, Michael Mazzola, who I'm gonna interview, and he's done a whole bunch of research on UFOs, on UAPs and the question of high bred humans on Earth. He's been fascinated and has worked closely with the news reporter in Mexico, a guy named Heimi Mason. And it's funny. I gotta get Heimi on the program. So that's our program today. What's funny is they are thinking right
now. Early analysis is showing that these are about a thousand years old. And one of the things that they have also done with the very high res cat scan ct scan is the discovery of bits and pieces of metal along musculature and on the chest a big piece of metal that appears to have been inserted. Now, why would they insert and by the way they've analyzed the metal, it's not a platinum. It's a very strange mixture of metals that they
have found under the skin. This is the first time that we've seen this and this makes this whole discovery quite unique. And we're gonna hear details about this today. But why would they put metal in the body? I bring this up in our interview and it's fascinating. Okay, let's get some background material. I'm gonna play a few minutes of the guy at introduction to these mummies. Because this mummy that we've are going to talk about today. Looks
like a similar type. But perhaps these are kings or queens, or higher ups or administrative types that have these insertions, these metal inserts in their bodies. So here's a quick overview of what these mummies are all about, and I'll come right back. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Last year, Gaya documented several humanoid mummies discovered in the Nascar region of Peru. DNA samples were extracted from the body, feet in hands of the mummy named Maria. The
DNA was tested to determine if it matched any known DNA. The results are in. We are dealing with an unidentified organism. In my career, I can't say I've actually seen anything like this. Thanks for joining us here, Melissa, Thanks for having me in third phase of the Moon. Now, it's been about two years since the investigation by Guy into the Nascup mummies, and two years ago and the world was saying that this was some kind of
perpetrated huax. What's your thoughts. What's the new conclusion now? Well, I would say a couple of things. We just came out with a new documentary, and in this documentary that does kind of an overview of all the updates, but then kind of shows behind the scenes what happened. I would have to say that to me, we did a lot of tests, we did carbonating, genetic testing, whatever, but the high res CT scans were
unbelievable. And when you look at those, because when I think of genetic testing and I think, okay, well, there's so many questions that need to be answered. But if I look at those CT scans, you're looking
at like muscle, fiber and tissue and blood left on the bodies. You're also looking at bodies that according to all the professional people that we have shown it to, for people that do this for a living that look that are either radiologists or surgeons that kind of thing, they can't find anything altered with
the bones. So for me, that's a good place to start. So you've done some extensive research, including DNA sequencing, can you tell us does the sequencing match the code of our regular DNA human code or is this something altogether different. I do not believe that they are one hundred percent human. Again, when you do genetic testing, you can only ask one question with the sample, and then you ask another question. You run another sample through
the machine. But so we were only able to ask a couple questions, and we wanted to know, you know, what part of that DNA was human and then if there was a part of it that had biological human like genetic codes, then which ones would they match on the planet Earth right genetic testing. Those are the two questions we can ask given ask given the samples that we had. And so it did come back that there was twenty five percent of that sample did have human like DNA and of that twenty five percent,
none of that matched any modern human DNA. So that's pretty interesting considering, you know, if it's a hoax, or it's made up, or even if it's like a relative in the last couple thousand years, that's very strange. However, we haven't been able to test for ancient DNA, and that's just another question down the genetic code line. That's that's what the university hopefully is going to do well. I want to mention Michael has sent me the scans and the X rays. I'm going to post them on the Facebook
page, both of them, the international and the group page. Look closely at these metal plates that are just above the sternum and on the arms and in the legs. You can't really tell how they're I mean, we know they're other scin but we can't tell if they're attached to organs or how they work. This is not a random insertion. Also, remember these are approximately one thousand years old, so that when these beans were alive, that would
be walking among the Inca. That would be you know, because the Nasca Lines are the Nasca people, but they believe they're Inca like. Also important to remember general science believes that the Nasca Lines were created on the ground, but the problem with that theory is that they're only visible from hundreds to thousands of feet above the ground. Many of them have been seen by high flying
airplanes and aircraft, and they're even visible by satellites. We've had people on the program who believe they were used as gigantic maps, grids geographical surveys of pointing different parts of the planet, and that they were used as a giant roadmap when aircraft of all types came back into Earth's atmosphere and wanted to know
where the hell they were. So that's the consideration. Obviously kind of interesting to consider, but we just don't know the Nasca lines, and these Nasca mummies are anomalies part of Erth's ancient past, and that's what our show is today. So today's program is called Nasca Peru and the High Bred Humans, and my guest today is Michael Mozzola. A few years ago we featured a documentary by Gaya on these unusual mummies that were found in Peru. The documentary
was called Unearthed Nasca and we had Melissa Tittle. Melissa was a regular on Earth Ancients for a number of years, and this was a very strange documentary because it was featuring a number of discoveries in Peru that were made in twenty seventeen by actually the individual who released this data was Heimi Massan, who is
a well known Mexican journalist. And what was unique about these mummies was first they had three fingers and three toes, they had elongated skulls, they were much thinner than normal Earth humans, and they did a series of In fact, guy I paid for a series of very detailed scientific studies of these mummies that must have run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars because some of the DNA studies were sent to Russia and they came back showing that these mummies were
from Earth, but they had some unusual mixtures in their DNA. Following this documentary, a lot of information came out against Heimi Massan and that these were not real humanoids, that they were doll if you want to use a term, and that they were not valid humanoids at all. Since that time, there's been a lot of questions about, you know, the integrity of the research team and Jimi Massan himself, and we were kind of left questioning the
whole thing. I don't know how Guya left it, but they did spend a significant significant amount of money on Unearthed Nosca and I saw it and we had Melissa on as a follow up, and you know, she was a little disappointed at the reaction of the public to her documentary, but all in all it came out barely well received. Today we're introducing a new research bit of information that has come to me and Jimi Massan is in the picture again. But we have as a guest today Michael Missoula, who is an award
winning filmmaker and he's done a couple of different documentaries. One of them is called Unacknowledged Close Encounters of the fifth Kind. He's also done another one called Missing four one one the UFO Connection and the Lost Century, and Michael was able to be a part of a new unveiling. Apparently they have found another
mummy in Peru. We're going to find out the details of this, and apparently this is much much more clearly human humanoid, I should say, but there's some other characteristics that are just profound that we want to learn about. So Michael, welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you, great to be here. Thank you for having me talk a little bit about how
you got involved with this project and your connection to Haimie Massan. Yeah, I mean this is the last thing I expected to be involved in, right, So, I've been full time documentary filmmaker and UFO researcher for the last ten years or so. I've met Heimie a number of times at the Star Warks conference in Laughlin, which is no longer happening. Was my friend Paula Harris's conference. She'd always bring high me out. He'd give a presentation on
the bodies. It was always very compelling, but it's it's not something that I was really obsessed with. It wasn't my really my area of focus with the kinds of films that I was making, right, So, my documentaries
have always been more focused on on the human side of things. What have humans done in response to us, you know, talking about military industrial complex, fascism, media manipulation, cover ups, uh, false flags, stuff like that, or on the spiritual and consciousness side, like with Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind and some other projects. So, but I was kind of peripherally aware of these bodies and I didn't know what to make of them.
And then last September, Haimi Massan brought two of these bodies in front of the Mexican Congress and the story went super viral. Everybody saw this and I had tons of people asking me, is this is this real or fake? And I had I had no idea, but I realized, Okay, this is something we're going to have to confront and deal with because this story is building. It's it's not going away, uh, And I was I was leaning towards fake, right, because it's it just seems it just seems
so ridiculous on the face of it. It's just how how could these be? You know, two dead extraterrestrials or whatever or whatever they are. It just it's just, you know, they look like something out of a Hollywood special effects department. But my producing partner, Serena d C and I we decided to go down and see the bodies and interview himie and we thought, okay, we'll do a little news report, you know, we'll spend a day filming and just you know, see what we find. So we go
down to Mexico City. We're in Heimi's office. We're looking at the two bodies that he presented to the Mexican Congress. I'm sitting there and I have friends sending me articles that are breaking that day. So it was breaking news that day, and they were sending me these articles say hey, Michael, you're wasting your time and they're fake. I mean, look at these articles. And the articles were saying, Provian officials have determined that Heimen Massan's alien
mummies are fake. They're just dolls. Provian officials seized the bodies, they've examined them, they've done testing and it's it's just animal bones and glue. Right and then, and the articles had pictures of two little bodies, but they're wearing dresses and sombreros and they look ridiculous. I'm sitting there reading this and I've got the actual two bodies one foot from me, right, They're sitting right in front of me, and I'm looking at my phone. I'm
looking at these bodies. I'm looking at my phone. I'm looking at these bodies, and I'm saying, these are not the same bodies. This is this is First of all, it's weird that this story is breaking while I'm sitting here with these bodies, right, but these are these are not the same specimen. And so that's the that's when I started to suspect, Okay, something weird is going on here, you know, why are proving official saying this, you know, and and trying to make people think that these
are the same bodies right when they're clearly not. So then we got introduced to a guy named doctor Jose Salse And this guy was He's a lieutenant colonel in the Mexican Navy. He's the head of all health research and Development for the Mexican Navy. He liked the surgeon general for the Mexican Special Forces. He's an expert in DNA forensics and he's worked on a lot of criminal cases.
He's an expert in forensic anthropology and forensic dentistry, so like exactly the kind of guy you would want examining this, right, And you know, he starts showing us CT scans and X rays and and again, I'm still just talking about these two original bodies that Haimi presented to the Mexican Congress. You're talking about Maria and what was the other one? So no, not Maria. Maria is the larger one with the elongated skull. She's sort of
the human size one. He did examine Maria. We eventually talked to her, but no, these are named Clara and Mauricio. What were the two little ones that kind of went viral? Right? Okay? And you know, so he's showing us the scans. He's saying, number one, it's impossible, in his professional opinion, that these were constructed by somebody. He said, there's no signs whatsoever of any kind of manipulation, you know, and these things were perfectly mummified, so they've got partial organs intact, even
though they're a one thousand years old. You know, they were all preserved in diatamacious. He said. The the skeleton is perfectly coherent. The you know, again, doesn't appear to be assembled. He said, The joints show the wear and tear that you would expect to see on a skeleton that was used to walk around and move and live, you know. And and there was also this metal implant, this breastplate made of osmium and cadmium and pure silver. Things that, yeah, things that are toxic in human body
and other biological organisms on earth. But this thing was implanted in this being while it was still alive. He could tell from the way it was integrated into the tissue. And again and these are metals that you know, humans didn't even know existed a thousand years ago, so you know, so where did that come from? And and it was pregnant, It had eggs in its belly and various stages of development. So he was saying it's impossible,
in his opinion, for this to be constructed. And so I was so I was so impressed by doctor Salsa, And you know, he struck me as such an incredibly competent, incredible expert. And he made it clear that he had suffered greatly, you know, you know, professionally and socially for having stuck his neck out, and you know, I mean, the Navy wasn't thrilled that their their head of health basically was, you know, talking
about these alien hybrids. And that was actually the most most interesting thing he said was that that there had been twelve independent DNA analyses done on them and they all showed the same thing, which it was seventy percent combination of obo, chimp and human, and that it and that there were markers in the DNA that suggested they were spliced together. So that you're talking about genetic engineering a thousand years ago, which begs the question who had the ability to do
genetic hybrids a thousand years ago? It wasn't us, right, yeah, and then thirty unknown d right. So, and this is a really important point is you know, while we have to consider the possibility it's extras true because we don't we don't know the origin of this no lame definitively that came from another planet. But who had do genetic engineering a thousand years ago? You know what I mean? I think kind of the hypothesis here that makes the most sense, at least for me, is that even if these things
never drew breath on another planet, even if they were. You know, we're created here on earth. You know, the question is who created them? Right? So I was I was sitting there listening to this and and just realizing, oh my god, you know, there's so much confusion and miss maybe about this. How isn't it mercilessly? And now all these articles were coming out the day that I'm sitting there right saying it's just chicken bones
and glue. And so we Serena and I sort of said, well, we want to we want to keep going, we want to we want to talk to more of these scientists. And and Heine said, well, why don't you come to Peru because you've got new bodies that are then found by these treasure hunters and they're going to be handing them over to our scientific team
for examination. You come film it. So we went down to Peru and that's when we saw the body Bastion and Santiago, which Heimi has just you know, published, and Joyce Mantilla, the Peruvian journalists, these these images. I can make sure you get a copy of all of them, of these these two extraordinary bodies, and they look like children. They're they're in a Lotus city, their seated position. Did they come from Did they come from the same area that the other ones came from. Was it a the
same cave they excavated or was it a different location. No, this was the same cave, and so we we actually got to go visit the cave. Now, I didn't realize that it was a you know, ninety minute, two hour vertical climb up a mountain and I have a horrible Yeah, I have a horrible fear of heights. I got over you know, on this trip. I was I mean it was. It was harrowing. It
was so scary. And then we finally got there and I was expecting you can just walk into and instead it was this little hole and you had to like get down on your belly and like squeeze into it. And so I kind of just stuck my head and my claustrophobia just said, oh screw this. So I ended up not going into the cave. I could see the whole thing. It was not a very space. It went about eight feet
back, ten feet back. Maybe you couldn't stand up fully. My crew went in and they filmed a little bit, and so it was spae that the that was filled to the ceiling with dietamacious earth, and the entrance had been blocked by a stack of rocks. When he removed the rocks, it was just this dietamacious earth. And he started digging and revealing these, you know, artifacts, and which I haven't seen the artifacts. I've only seen the bodies, you know, the art. What are the artifacts like they
were They're like carvings. They're carvings that that depict you know, beings that kind of like these bodies, you know, And so I I haven't seen the artifacts myself. I don't know where, but I heard about them, but I can't really speak to them. But anyway, we we we filmed, you know, we we we we filmed the scientific team and these were doctors from the University of Eca and Peru, surgeons from Lima, some of the most you know, some of these people are absolute top of their fields.
And doctor Salsa from Mexico was there also. We went I've been Lima or an Eco rather, and we were doing X rays for about five hours and then they were examining the x rays and and you know, some of these bodies had metal implants in them, you know, these weird metallica and these things have to be analyzed. You know, there's there's you know, there hasn't been DNA done on these new boss They need to do carbon dating. We assume that there are a thousand years down with everything else, you
know, all this testing still needs to be done. But just based on the tomography scans and the X rays. These scientists who are having this again, these are you know, forensic anthropologists. These are these are you know we have the top microhand surgeon in through the top head and neck. Are you know these are really looking at these scans, they're saying these bodies are
totally coherent, these coherent structures, These are not assembled. And the accusation that's been made is that, you know, it's it's grave robbers in Peru. Who are you know, getting on YouTube and figuring out how to manipulate mummies to create these things? And for me, that's just not that's not credible. You know, that's the you would need, you know, you would need a million dollar medical education to even know where to start to pull hoax like this off. Let me start, let me stop you for a
minute. Sorry, go ahead, I'm I'm first of all, I'm curious this location ninety feet up from the ground in a small cave. Is this where all these mummies have been found or just the most recent mummies? No, all of them. And it wasn't ninety feet it was ninety minutes. It was a ninety minute vertical climb. Oh, ninety minutes to get up. Oh so it was pretty high up. It was really high up. It was really high up, and it was very very sketchy, and uh
yeah, I mean we didn't know where we were going. We were like out in the middle of nowhere. We arrived and it was like this chicken coop, you know, and then we walked through the chicken coop and then there was just a trail going up this mountain. Uh. And then we got off the trail. Our guide took us off the trail and we were just climbing and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna die. But but I mean, you know what, first of all, what part of Peru is it? Is it out in the sticks? Oh? Okay?
So so obviously grave robbers were the initial people who discovered this, and they prefer the term treasure hunter. Treasure hunter, okay, okay, whatever. Uh So this has been known about for a while was the damacious earth brought in to bury these people or was it part of the composition of the
cave. Yeah, so it seems to have been brought in. So whoever whoever buried these things knew exactly what they were doing, because the dietamacious earth will pull out all of the all of the moisture and kind of preserve it perfectly. So it was someone someone wanted to preserve these and and knew how to do it. So yeah, yeah, this was out in the steps. This was this was like in the in the countryside near Agnaska is the
nearest place, and we went, we flew over the Nasca Lines. You know, we're making this documentaries, so we're we're looking at different angles and we're like, okay, these things are discovered near Nasca. The Nasca Lines are famous, these famous monuments that are really only properly visible from the sky, but they're twenty five hundred years old. So it's like, well, who were they made for? You know, well that's been a huge question
forever. You know, you only can see them from high elevations, and they keep finding more and more. They're not just in Nasca, they're up above the hills and around the area. Yeah, And it's funny because Gaya, when they did this documentary attach the mummies to the glyphs the Nasca lines,
which are glyphs. But we don't know. We really don't know, because unless you find artifacts from these mummies that somehow relate to the Nasca lines, there's no way to know what the civilization was that actually made them. Before we go on real quickly, does it appear to you as a researcher that the rouvi And government is making fakes? No? No, no, So that's such a good question. So we met a guy and we interviewed
him. He'll be in this film. His name is Manuel, and he made the two fakes that everyone has seen in these articles, and those were confiscated by the Peruvian officials. Now he says that he notified them that these were works of art that he made. It was his hope to sell them to tourists, you know, because he's from he's from the area where this was found. He's from a town called Palpa, which is next to Naska, you know. And he said, well, listen, you know,
these bodies are gonna this town on the map. We're going to get great tourism, and you know, and so he so he's so he says, he swears that he notified them that these were fakes. So he's the one who made them. Now, if you read the news coverage, it says, well, proving officials confiscated bodies similar to the ones that himI presented. Right, well, that is that is very that's very misleading, right, you know, uh, because these are these are works of art inspired by
the real ones. And again we're not claiming we know what the real ones are, and maybe they are some kind of super elaborate hoaks. But even the people who have taken that position, you know, there are some experts who said this has to be some kind of elaborate fabrication. Even they say, but that's just as extraordinary as if these were authentic, because we have no idea how anybody could possibly construct something like this, let alone a thousand
years ago, you know, like it is this insane mystery. So all we're saying is, look, they're not dolls, they're not chicken bones and glue, they're not paper mache. You know, they're not cake art, which I saw a comment I thought that was really funny. Someone said they look like cake art, and you know, we don't know what they are, but we have enough really credible scientists who have spent years examining these you
know, doctor Roger Zuniga, an anthropologist at the University of Eca. He led a twelve man team for several years examining these things, particularly the body Maria, the larger, more human size one right, and and after years of examination, are saying, buddy, this is this is not a fabrication. Now they might be wrong, but isn't you know, is that something
that we can really just dismiss out of hand, you know? And and something I have personally seen throughout this process is I've had many reporters and friends and advisors say to me with a straight face, with no self awareness at all, well, you know, it doesn't mean anything until you get American scientists to look at it. And for me, that's so ethnocentric or racist or whatever you want to do. Yeah, it's totally racist. It's totally
so racist. Yeah. So I'm as typical as typical when it comes to archaeology and anthropology as well as like, until the Americans can see these things, we can't verify their authenticity. It's like what what does that matter? But I mean, this is this is really bad. I want you. I have a number of photographs of this new these new bodies, this one child, which looks so alien. The head's long and the eyes are slit. It looks like you could maybe like a gray if you if you could
classify it. What we know about alien civilizations? What little we know? Uh? But talk a little bit about this child, because not only does it have a very elongated head, what is the guests to meet in terms of the age the in terms of how old it was in the past. Yeah, I I don't. I don't know the answer to that. Okay, Now I know that they can do these things are often estimated based on the wear and tear on the bones. But I don't. I don't recall
if I ever heard an age estimate for these guys. So I'm sorry, I don't have an answer on that. Okay, coming forward, this this this new announcement. And by the way, for those of you listening, uh this, you guys are just down there? What last week? Right? This just happened. We were down there a month ago and then last week we did a we did a press conference at the Montre on in West Hollywood where we where we unveiled this stuff, and we we couldn't bring the
bodies the United States legally. Unfortunately, it's a whole it's a whole legal process to do that, I would imagine. Yeah, so we which is which is weird because the Peruvian government has taken the position and these are fake so you think, well, what's the issue, right, But you know, we have to do things through the proper legal channels. So that's a whole, that's a whole other process to go through, and we needed to
unveil this stuff. So what we did was the next best thing. We had a live link to the labs in Peru and so we actually had Joyce Mantilla, the Peruvian journalists down there in the lab. Then they put these two bodies through the the scanner and they were showing the live scans. It was it was really cool. Unfortunately, our English live stream failed, so I had so many angry people screaming at us online and saying you idiots, you you know, and it was so embarrassing. But the Spanish live stream
worked and it had a really really good impact. You know, We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guests today, Michael maazoo Lah discussing this new Pruvian mummy. We'll be right back. My guest today is Michael Missoula. He is a documentary film maker who specializes in anomalies UFOs u AP coverage, and he has had a chance to see and discuss this new mummy that's coming
out of Peru. Unlike the earlier mummies we reported with Melissa Tittle from Gaya, this is a whole different hybrid, a whole different type of humanoid. And we're getting an idea today just how special this discovery is. What so far other than the beautiful crany of this little child, what is unique about these new bodies? Are they similar to Maria and the others? I mean they look similar. Obviously they're bleached white because of the soil that they were
buried in. But what are some of the unique descriptives that you can present? Yeah, so the thing that they all these guys have in common is the three fingers and three toes, right, So that's why we're to get away from calling them the Nasca alien mummies, even though that's I still call them that because that's what they're known as, but we're trying to rebrand them as the tridactyl beings, right, you know, hidactyl meaning you know,
fingers. And when I was when I was first interviewing doctor Salsa a couple months ago in Mexico City, I said, you know, these things don't have These things don't have thumbs. You know, it doesn't that indicate a disadvantage, an evolutionary disadvantage. You know, if these are some sort of extraterrestrial species, or if they are the product of genetic engineering by some sort of advanced intelligence, you know, why would they have less sophisticated hands than
us? And he said his answer really cool. He said, well, actually, that's that's not the case. He said, the way the hands are constructed, they actually seem to be more refined than ours, where they don't they don't need the thumb. They're able to coil their fingers the way that they're constructed around around objects and grasp them without the need of a thumb.
So they actually might be a more streamlined evolutionary design. Is that because there's perhaps more joints in the hand, an extra joint that allows for greater flexibility. Yes, And in some of the bodies, the in Clara and Mauricio, the two that originally went viral, the way that the necks are constructed, the vertebrae in the neck, it appears as if they're able to elongate their necks. And I said, oh my god, like ET. Yeah, and just what everybody says right there, like yeah, it does
like ET. And you know, I've been in the been in the UFO field for a long time, and so you hear all kinds of lore and and so you know, I don't know what's I sometimes don't know what's true and what's what's reliable what isn't. But something I've heard for a long time from reliable sources was that the film ET was based on was inspired by our real case where a being was left behind. Now again I don't know if
that's true. It's really cool if it is true. Yeah, And but we do know for sure that Spielberg's other ET film, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. You know, he was given access for that. You know, Jacques Frolet was an advisor to the project. And I believe j al and Heinek had a cameo uh in the film. Yeah, yeah, so I mean he was he was given real access for that. So, I you know, I think I think it's it's possible that you know, et
could have been inspired by a real thing. I just thought that was so interesting that anyway, doctor Salse said they could elongate their their necks like that, that's pretty cool. Do did the I don't know if there was a pathologist there, but the scientists that did the scans on this child, did they get a sense of or a measurement of the interior cranial vault to understand if the brain was significantly bigger or that the head was just elongated and that
the brain mass was the same as ours. Oh man, that is such a good question. Uh I. I do not know about their their relative brain size, and again that would also go back to then estimating age, right, and then comparing that to a human of the same age. Let me talk to them and see if I can get an answer to that. That's a really good question. Yeah, send me that detail that I'll post it on our Facebook page to our listeners because we have a big audience on
Facebook. And by the way, those of you who are following along, I will be posting a small gallery of these humanoids that were taking photos and scans that were taken somewhat recently, including this beautiful child who looks just like an et. It's like Jesus Christ, and it's so elegant, it's so well preserved, there's no way. I mean, who knows if it's fake or not. But it looks pretty damn real to me. I mean,
listen, it looks it looks real to us too. And again we can't rule out that this isn't some kind of super elaborate fake, right, But again, what these FORENDS experts are telling us, uh, and it's not just the ones who've come forward. We've got a lot of forensic experts who are advising us who do not want to come forward yet, you know, because they're nervous, right. But they're saying to us, they're saying, this would require for these to be fakes, This would require you know,
a million dollar medical education. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment, materials and technology that we don't know exists yet in order to pull this off. They're saying, we have absolutely no idea how somebody could possibly construct this. I recently got confronted by another another filmmaker who I won't I won't name that he was he was screaming at me. He's saying, these are
these are these are fakes. It's been debunked. You know. Grave robbers in Peru are getting on YouTube and learning how to soak mummies in water to make them pliable, and then they twist them into and for for me, that is so implausible, Like the idea that these are alien hybrids is way more likely than the fact that these Because I met these guys, I met the treasure hunters. We interviewed one of them. You know, he took
us to the cave, We went to his house. You know, this is not someone who strikes me, and and not to be disrespectful to him at all, but I'm not sophisticated enough to pull off a hoax like that. You know, this guy's not sophisticated enough to pull off a hoax like that. And for what to sell this thing for a few thousand dollars dollars on the black market. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't said. Let's let's talk about what we know. So talk a bit about the DNA
evidence that been taken the DNA samples. At the beginning, you gave some generalized markers here and there, but can you give us some specifics as to how much of it is Earth human and then what is perhaps the unusual or perhaps off world DNA pattern? Yeah, of course, So again talking about the two original bodies that Heimi brought in front of the Mexican Congress, the ones that went super viral, right, because the new bodies we just unveiled
haven't had DNA analysis done. Now we have a number of labs. You know, everyone's gonna get their wish. Everyone who said, oh you got to have American scientists, Well you're gonna get your wish. We've got a number of extremely prestigious university laboratories that have taken interest in this. Now it's just a matter of figuring out, okay, how do we You know, we've got to go through the proper channels. The University of Eca has to
send samples. There's a whole legal process, so that's got to take its course, right, and it has to be scientific too. It has to be you know, you know, a clean room or whatever without you know, bad air, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's got to be scial it's got all that stuff, you know, way above my pay grade. So so the the the two original bodies, they've had twelve independent DNA analyses done in Mexico and Peru. There was also I believe
a lab in Russia that was involved. Ye, and everyone got the same results. Now, they were taking DNA from the from the inside of the skull of one of these all right, is where they where they took the samples from. Wow. Right, And and actually I will say, as a side note for the radiocarbon dating, the way they determined that these things were one thousand years old, They tested the dietamacious earth that they were packed
in. They took samples from the exterior of the bodies and from the interior of the bodies, and all three of those said one thousand years old. So that's how we determine the age. In terms of the DNA it was seventy percent fibrid between chimps, bonobos, and humans. And I don't remember
the exact breakdown between between those three. But according to doctor Salse again, lieutenant colonel in the Mexican Navy, expert in DNA forensics, he interpreted the DNA results for us, and he said that there were markers in the DNA that indicated that these were spliced together. Then you had thirty percent of the DNA that was completely unknown. So for all the billions of base pairs in gen bank and every species that's ever been documented, right, thirty percent of
this thing there was no match. That's really weird, right, So seventy percent common ancestry, Right, it's not seventy percent human, but it's seventy percent common ancestry. It's bonobo's, it's gymps, it's human, and thirty percent totally unknown and again a thousand years old, and again seemingly a hybrid. So who had the ability to do that? And something I said at the press conference but my audio was cut out, we had all these all
these problems. So I think it's worth repeating here is that none of these scientists who we've met and who've come forward in Mexico and pro none of them are saying the science is settled. You have to believe us. They've been so open about the work that they've done and the work that needs to be done, and they're so anxious to have the worldwide scientific community come and participate
in this. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that you're talking about, though, is a problem because as a ufologist, which is what I consider who you are, I've been in it as a program director for conferences for years, probably over thirty years. And the problem is that because the Americans follow the Brookies Institute document that basically says if we reveal evidence of an alien or hybrid civilization, the public will lose their mind, religions would leave, people
will commit suicide, all this bullshit. This document was written sixty years ago, but it's still being adhered to by the authorities. So disinformation runs rampant, and so any revelation of a new species that lived on Earth a thousand years ago is immediately put into questions. So when you're telling me that American scientists are now opening to the possibilities of this and wanting to inspect it themselves,
you've got to be on the fence about that. I mean, tell me how you feel about that, because you know the problems we deal with when we deal with any evidence of an alien or even a hybrid species being on Earth. I mean, it's a scary premonition, not premonition, but it's a scary possibility of getting like other fake automatically going to the dark side
of all this research. Yeah, so that's such an important point you brought up, because we know how centralized scientific researches in the United States, and we know that there's a lot of sort of exposure points, pressure points for scientists where you know, if you want to suppress something, there's ways to apply pressure to people, you know. So part of the part of the
answer is to get a lot of different people involved. So this isn't resting on one person's credibility, you know, because if it's up to one scientist and you pressure Ham, then you know you've discredited the whole thing. But if you have multiple teams, multiple universities, it has a better chance of,
you know, of some kind of real science taking place. Also, you know, a number of the people who are expressing interest to us behind the scenes are people who are top of their field, but they're at the end of their careers, so they don't really care about out Oh I'm not going to get tenure or I might lose my funding. They're saying to us, Hey, man, I got nothing to lose at this point. I'm good and I just want to have fun and this this is fun and interesting,
you know. And and they've looked at the scans, the the tomography, the X ray CT scans, et cetera. Uh preliminary DNA stuff that's come out of Mexico and Peru, and they're saying, if this is if this is real, this is crazy, Like just if you didn't photoshop these images like this is so you know, the next the next step is we need we need to get these scientists down to Peru because that's that's where these bodies are, that's where you know, that's where the research is taking place.
So that's what we're working on until we're in a position where we can send amples to American laboratories or even bring the bodies out of the country. But again, that's a whole that's a whole legal process. So let me ask you another question about this the DNA. You said that doctor Benitez said there was gene manipulation. Now we here right now, well not recently, Crisper came out, which is a a gene splicing tool, and they're promoting
it as a way to remove disease make superhumans. I mean, that's the worst case scenario, How does he know that the genes were spliced? Can he tell under a electron microscope that the genes have been manipulated in that fashion? So yeah, he says, according to the way he interprets the DTA analysis that's been done, there are markers that indicate splicing. That's that's his interpretation of the data. It's above my pay right. But again, we're
not. None of these guys are saying take my word for it. They're saying, please come scrutinize, criticize, challenge scientific process take place. You
know, there's been so much cold water thrown on this. You know, at our at our press conference, we had an amazing media turnout, and we had almost no coverage because these these writers and these videographers went back to their editors and the editors said, oh, that's been debunked, you know, so it's you know, so it was really it was really disappointing for that reason. We're not we're not giving up. But you know, even in the US, I mean I would say that the and it'd be I
love this community, but it's more skeptical towards these things. Now, Like I have just friends who are not into this stuff, who think this is the coolest thing ever. And my friends in the UFO community, who you think would be all over this, they're saying, Oh, why are you messing around with that. You're ruining your reputation, you know. Oh, you're throwing your career away. Blah blah blah. You know, why are you associating with a hoax? Why are you associating with himI Massan? Personally?
I love Jimi. I think Jimi is a hero, and he's he's a brilliant guy, you know, and his motivation is just to get some kind of redemption for these beings. He understands that these beings belong to the people of Peru. It's his vision to have a museum in Peru where people could come in and see these things. You know. He has fought so
hard to stop them from disappearing into private collections on the black market. That's why I say he's hero, because all he's doing is getting criticized and attacked and slandered by in a lot by this community. You know, this community could be brutal. So I don't mind, I don't mind defending himI. I think he's an amazing guy. Uh talk a little bit about the surroundings where these mummies were found. Are there any ruins? Are there is there
any evidence of civilization in and around the caves? I mean, this is one of the big problems I have with these artifacts that are found in uh Jilesco, Mexico. I don't know if you know about these jewelry that now is flooding eBay, you can see. I mean it's very expensive. I was at a contact in the desert last year and there was a guy who
had a whole table of these artifacts. And the problem is there's no ruins, there's no evidence, and of course Mexico is very poor and so there's great some of it has has been tested, but a lot of it seems like it's coming out of a manufacturing group of people. How let's go, what do you say to that? Yeah, So I was looking to acquire
some artifacts because they pop up every now and then. And we were talking about a couple of years ago doing a UFO museum, you know, in la and so we wanted we wanted artifacts, and so I had my one of my investors was saying, oh, I want to acquire this stuff. And I don't even remember kind of how it was presented to us as an opportunity. But he asked me, he said, hey, we need someone who can help us vet this. So I got a referral actually through Gia.
I called Guia and my friend's there and they referred me to somebody. And so he was kind of giving us the lay of the land, and he said, listen, you gotta be you got to be really careful because there are big criminal syndicates that are making fake ones. I believe they know that there's like dumb, rich Americans who are just buying fake alien artifacts. And they said, you got to be really careful who you point the finger at and accuse of selling a fake, because you might be pointing the finger
at some very dangerous individuals. So I'm I'm very skeptical automatically of all these artifacts. And I know that the market has just been flooded with knockoffs and
fakes. And and the problem with a lot of this is if it's you know, if it's not being pulled out of an official archaeological dig, if it's just treasure hunters or grave robbers or whatever, you have no chain of custody, you know, Yeah, it's like, oh, I have to take a basically a criminals word for it that these were found here and what so for me, it's just not even worth the headache of trying to sort
out what's real or fake. I'm way more interested in the bodies. Wow, as we close, and this has been really fun Michael to have you on and to hear what you've discovered. You said something very interesting at the very beginning that was discovered during one of the CT scans, and that is a metal plate inserted into the body at what was about a very young age. What does this look like what is seen in the scans other than the plate? Is there any markings? Any talk about that? So there's no,
there's no markings on it. It kind of looks like a like a a chicken wishbone. And it's over to the breastplate of this being the one that's pregnant, and it seemed to be there. We don't really know why, but it's they kind of hypothesized it was there to sort of help with a fracture. Right. Oh, so it's a medical but the but the other bodies have implants as well. There's stuff in the necks, there's plates in the head. Uh, some of them have weird patterns. I mean,
it's it's really trippy. And again we we this stuff has to be studied, you know. But the preliminary analysis from these forensic experts, they're saying, Okay, these things were surgically implanted while these beings were still a lot and it was done so perfectly, it was completely perfectly integrated into the
tissue. He said, this could not have been done post mortem. And again, this metal is it's it's osmium and cadmium and you know, stuff that humans didn't even know about to the twentieth century and stuff that's you know, not great for human biology. You wouldn't want to have this stuff implanted in you. So it's just it's super weird. It needs to be properly
studied. Yeah, the reason that's weird getting I don't know if you know this or not, but in pre dynastic mummies they have found, using X rays, jewels and other precious and semi precious stones being placed under the skin and they see them in the arms and the chest and in the legs, and a lot of people have thought that they were used in some form of
enhancement because if you follow sderial astrology. The Hindus use special stones to repel vibrations during bad periods of astrological cycles, and they're also used for enhancement. So when you said there was a plate, I thought to myself, this is an enhancement of some kind. Yeah, it might be, which is very cool. Yeah, we don't know. So you'll see it in the in the press, can't We've got images of that. Yeah, oh you do have some of the some of the insertion, some of the implants.
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So Daniel sent me a whole group of photographs part of that. So do you know which Will I be able to tell which ones have the implants or not? You should? You should be able to. It's in the folder talking about yoh okay, yeah I got that one. Okay, yeah, wow, should be I'll double. This has been real fun. As we conclude, what what's ther takeaway on these new mummies? Because is it those? Is it the new mummies that the
Americans are are interested in in? Uh, it's all of the about it's everything. It's Maria, it's the two small ones, the original ones, these new ones, you know, and I'm sure this won't be the end, you know. I mean there's people digging stuff up. I see stories emerging all the time out of uh chilling, the out of comma. You know. I think I think as we become kind of normalized to this stuff, more and more scientists will step up and want to want to test it.
Uh, you know, I think I think the takeaway is that no one is claiming we know what these are. Okay, it's very unlikely. It's very unlikely that it's a hoax. That's why we called our film that's gonna be coming out this summer, this is not a hoax, because when we got there, we're like, oh, this is not a hoax like we thought it was. We feel like screaming from the rooftop. Oh my god, it's not a hoax. So the film will present all the research
that's been done to date. Everyone's got a theory, but we don't know. Yeah, do you have a name for your documentary? Are you still in the process of entity? This is not a hoax? That's the name. Oh, this is not a hoax. H okay? Uh? And where are you Where are you gonna be playing this small venues like conferences and things like that, or Yeah, we we might be, assuming everything's done in time, we might be showing a sneak peek of some scenes at Contact
in the Desert. Well, we'll be speaking this year, but yeah, otherwise it'll go out. We have distribution. It will go out for why digital release this summer. Okay, Hey, give us your website so people can can read more about you. I don't have a website, but you can follow me on Twitter or X. I guess at broke Back UFO is me and for all my hot takes on UFO news, et cetera. O. Yeah, yeah, Michael Mazzola. All right, so are you on Facebook? I am not? Just Twitter? Okay, just Twitter? All
right. Hey, this is fascinating, and thank you for updating us on these highbred humans. I'd sure like to know a great deal more about them, and I wish that we'd have more buy in. But it looks like from the US, it looks like it's slowly happening. So perhaps your your prognosis that simply because of the overwhelming number of research people that are involved in it, that the Americans are finally saying, Okay, we need to look at this a little closer. It'll be It'll be a slow process, but
there's there's a shift. Eventually the truth will come out, you know. And if we're not the ones to make the shift happen, that's fine, you know. We will make our contribution with this film and we'll move on. But eventually the truth will come out and maybe maybe this will blow up in our faces and it's just this incredibly elaborate hoax. Uh, And then we'll make a film about that. We'll make a film about the most amazing medical hoax ever. You know. Yeah, very expensive, if it's a
hoax, it's very expensive. You're right. So all right, hey man, thank you for spending some time, and we'll have you back when you officially release your documentary. I would love that, thanks, Cliff. I keep hoping for some miracle of revelation, information, data, research, explanation of hybrids in our past. Obviously, this is evidence of beings walking the earth thousand a thousand plus years ago, but are there hybrids among us?
You know? What's going on? And why isn't our government more fully involved in this? Why do we have to have it covered up? Why is it always a fear of our response to alien interventions? Hybrid beings likely from another planetary system, and are they connected with the UAPs, the UFOs, even the undergrounds they under excuse me, the underground and underwater bases that are quite prevalent that the military regularly reports on. Why do we have to be
kept in the dark. Why can't our media, Why can't the military, Why can't our governmental agencies just say, Look, we are part of a collective of humanoids that live in our cosmos? Is it so hard for them? Are we so backwards and high strung that we can't handle evidence of alien
race? Apparently? So? Really apparently so? You know, and you've heard me say this a billion times, is this little piece of paper that NASA requisition from the Brookings Institute known as the Brookings Report, really the foundation for this paranoia, for this lack of clarity that we just can't seem to get over, or I should say the military can't seem to get over themselves when it comes to revealing important data. And this is probably why I'm so
damn fascinated in it and have been fascinated for thirty plus years. Is the fact that these vehicles, unmanned and manned vehicles, these creatures highbred part human part not you know, and the other thing I was thinking about. I'll bring this up a really quickly. Years ago I interviewed people like Bud Hopkins, doctor John Mack, and others who had written extensively of what they believed
was a hybridization program going on between aliens and humans. Women were being abducted, They're having their ovum eggs removed, and then they were brought back months sometimes years later, and the the alien aliens would tell them that there's a child here that we want you to meet, and then the woman would meet the child and the child would be identified as theirs. You know, didn't look anything well. I mean, it looked partially human, but there was
also hyghbred with an alien. What's going on? Is this creature that we saw in this interview and discussed in this interview, is this one of these hybrids? Were they taking ovum and sperm from ancient Earth humans? What the hell is going on? And why? Why bother We don't know. It's a really big question. If you're interested in hybrids, get Bud Hopkins book
Intruders, and then also John Max's book is fairly blunt. The title is Abduction and he's a Harvard site psychiatrists that wrote extensively, not only on American abductions, but worldwide abductions, and in many cases, and this is really weird. In many cases he discovered that the experience of being abducted and taken on these ships, sometimes taken out of the Earth's orbit and into other areas of the cosmos was pleasant for people, was pleasant for the women, and
they guided them and let them know that they needed this for study. You know, I can't remember the details. If they were saying we needed to repopulate or planet it or not. That could be guesswork on my part, so don't take me directly at that. But there's a lot of interesting studies that have been done on alien interactions, and these hybrids are very, very curious. It just adds to the intrigue, the intrigue of wanting to know what's going on with Earth lanes. God help us, we need to know,
We need to know. I am of the firm belief that as soon as we have an understanding that we are not alone, that we are part of a perhaps collective, or that we're not I mean that we're part of a planetary system of beings associated with other planets. Once we know this, we are changed forever. Maybe that's the crux of it. Maybe the powers that be know that as soon as we find out, we're not going to be the same, everything's going to change. And maybe that's the other thing.
Religions are not going to be able to have their tight grip on us. You must follow the Bible, you must follow Christ Mary whoever else they want to put up on the altar and tell us to pray to That would change that. Perhaps, you know I said this before as well, why don't they ask people in the social media? Wy don't they ask Google, Instagram, X all the other social media? Why don't they ask them for
their opinions? They would be blown out of their chairs because everybody, for the most part, I'd say, they would say, yes, we want to know, No, we're not afraid. Bring it on. You gotta wonder what the hell's going on Sometimes who's in the driver's seat with some of these decisions of information repression? So wow, Hey, I want to mention that the holidays are coming up. Spring break is just well, it's still kind of going on for some people. But if you're making your holiday plans,
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