Special Edition: The 10th Anniversary Podcast

I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. Ten years. We're celebrating our tenth anniversary this month, and while we were in Egypt, Mohammad Imbrahem, on the Grand Egyptian Tour, had a big cake. You can see pictures of it on our Facebook age celebrating our tenth year. And I mean I was standing there on the we were on the cruise ship and he presented this cake, and I was like, oh my god, he remembered because

Mohammad and I go way way back. We go back probably seven or eight years before we did our first Grand Egyptian tour, So that was fun. So I have Jen Dale with us, and Jen is really an integral part of Earth. Agis. I think didn't you start about seventeen twenty seventeen, right after we did we did a tour. I was gonna say, I thought you came on and did we do a tour after that? I think twenty eighteen we were in Mexico. No, we did. We did the

twenty seventeen tour in Mexico and then I went with you to Egypt. We did the Grand Egyptian were So yeah, we've been together for a little while. Now since seventeen. It was funny. I was thinking of Mexico. That was a very cool tour because we were at Ushmohl and climbing the Grand Pyramid, and I think that was the second time I had done that, they had opened it, and that was a fun group of people. A

couple of a couple of crazies were with us. But you know, for the most part, people go for the experience and it's fun to see them kind of like transform whether on these tours. Yeah, I think that some of my takeaways from the tours. I mean, number one, you meet amazing people. I'm still friends with a number of people that I've traveled with along the way, and those are lifelong friendships. And then I mean you have just being in these amazing places. And number three, I guess is

you meet these amazing guides and you ever want to go back. You know, you've got a connection. You've got someone that you can be like, oh, I'll just contact you know, Mohammed and see if you know he can tell me who to talk to to get into this particular site. I've thought about that. You know, it's funny you mentioned that because Memo is like a second or third generation tour guide, and he was wonderful and he continues to be wonderful. He's still our uh tour guy when we're in Yucatan.

But yeah, these are these are really rare people and we've been very fortunate to be able to connect with him. But what this go back a little bit when you first came on. Of course I knew you were an archaeologist, and I was like, Okay, Chen's gonna legitimize everything we do. And I want to think the one time you really slammed me was we were in uh Campeche, at this Campeche museum and I was like, this looks like a ray gun and You're like, no, no, Cliff,

this is an actual king. And I read about this guy. I'm like, oh, oh, yeah, I do remember that. It was at a really cool museum that had that standing steeler. It was I mean, it was a beautiful. It was a beautiful piece. And I do remember that because I came back and I thought, oh, I'm gonna have to because it wasn't It's a very compelling piece of you know, art and prehistoric work, and it was weird. I mean, you're not wrong. I

mean he's holding he's holding technology. I'm sorry, and he's holding his son, was holding his baby in an arm. And then another one. You know that the thing I think, I want aliens, I want ancient aliens. I reeled you back in, though you're like, Cliff, no, come on now, you got to be grounded on this one. And of course here I am lecturing everybody and saying, look at this, this is a technology, and you're like, no, it's probably a very intricate staff

that the king was, but I I didn't say it was shamanic. Yeah, anyhow, Yeah, so what do you remember from some of the early interviews, because you and you know, I was thinking, Adam young, Adam is now on the scene, Adam is going to be part of the Cosmic Summit. And you know, it's funny. He was one of the early collectors of these when he was in Egypt, of these stone bulls that are, yeah, very strange because they're so perfect and they're analyzing them and

they're looking like they were machined completely. I remember that, Yeah, those beautiful they were almost like vessels, like a vase vessel also bulls. And you know what's so crazy about that is that they find those in Mesopotamia as well. Really, yeah, those same. I mean, they're very similar. I haven't seen them, so I'm making an assumption. They look very same and their construction looks very same, very much the same. But yes, they also find those there. Yeah, Adam is a blast from the

past. Two also, I met him and the Yucatan with you. He was there, which was so much fun. But yeah, if I walk down memory memory lane a little bit, I think that some of the most interesting things that we talked about were I mean, I always have loved our year ends when we talk about, you know, some of the highlights from the end of the year. That's that was always so much fun with Bruce, Bruce Benton, who was also so much fun to you know, be

engaged with. I really enjoyed the front end of the pandemic with you, you and Bruce because we we we got in our content brains and decided, you know, that we were going to make more content during the pandemic,

and we did. We we made some really fun stuff where we did kind of more of that roundtable kind of a session, which I thought was really really fun and interesting, and we talked about things that I wouldn't ordinarily talk about too because we stretched you jin did you you did You're like, oh, wait a minute, I didn't read about this in my college course, but I think it's yeahsting, But you're always The reason I like you on

the program is that you're you're orthodox, but you're you can see beyond the basics and you can kind of stretch a little bit without feeling too uncomfortable. You're great though, because one of the things about you is like when you are we're speaking, we're getting closer to the ancient alien stuff. You're kind of like you go dead, silence, nothing there. I'm certainly not an ancient aliens kind of gal. That's but it's tough. I mean, I'll

always listen to it. I always want to hear what people have to say, because you know, I don't know everything. It's the epistemological question, you know. You the more you know, the less you know. So the more information you take in it just makes everything more possible, is what it feels like in my Mind's Ye, yeah, you know, it's funny you mentioned the pandemic. We did do some interesting programming during the pandemic.

It was just such a strange period that we're slowly still getting out of you know, I see it. It's funny because there's a lot of retail stores and restaurants that are going billy up, big resk. Where I'm here on the West coast California. Macy's is going belly up. J C. Penny's is going belly up. And these are institutions that just couldn't make it through the pandemic because so many stores were closed. And now I'm seeing not just

retail but restaurants. Well known restaurant chains are going I don't know what the hell's going to be left, you know. Well, I mean, so this is my my interpretation. Here's the anthropological brain of mine. I think that we are headed in a direction that is perhaps less like you said, organization like Macy's, JC Penny's, and we go down to more local economies. I mean, I live in New England, so I live in a

totally different economy than you, and we buy almost everything local. Like for Mother's Day, I got a sheep skin an old world you know, an old world comfort or luxury was my gift. I just and I'm not saying that everybody we're going to go that far, but I'm just saying, I think we're going more into local economies because it's affordable and we don't have supply

chain issues, and it is it speaks to perhaps a healthier environment. So you're saying we evolve into more local mom and pop restaurants, retail, and farmers' markets. Yeah, I do. That's that's most certainly how it is where I live. I mean, we rely heavily on a local economy. There's don't get me wrong. You can still order from Amazon here and there's still a Low's Yeah, that's never going away exactly. But with that said,

I mean it's a very mom and poppy here. Before I left Minnesota, it had it had like made in roads to get that way too, because you saw these bigger organizations just shutting down. Are like downsizing. Yeah. I want to ask you a question that has been coming to my mind lately, and I'm writing about this right now. When you have an Orthodox education, do you feel that you have to hold the banter? In other words, if someone comes up, you're much more flexible. I wouldn't have

you on the show list was it flexible. But it seems to me that if you're told not to go beyond a certain area and make comments or perceive it. And what I mean is that my example is when we were under the quest Soquato Pyramid in Mexico, Gonzalez or gomexcuse me, didn't see the infrastructure that I found in satellites, imagery and observation on the surface that went under the ground. It was like he didn't care. His only goal was to look for and his hope was to find a king's tomb in this tunnel.

And when he didn't find it, he was like almost unhappy and pissed off, and he closed the whole tunnel so no one could look at it. And I'm just curious what your thoughts are on this, because I'm just wondering that this is could be our problems that the archaeological community cannot see these anomalies that are being referenced here on our program. Well, in my experience

I experienced, I've experienced gatekeeping is what I call it gatekeeping. It's so recently I had been to a university doing some you know, just some research in their archive and the archivists were wonderful and were you know, they were helping us access access all of this, you know, Uh, support and things like that that were really really tangible, and you know, I could look through them and I could make discernments based on what I find. When

I went into the museum afterwards. Uh, there was an archaeologist there who was a I think he was. I'm this is terrible that I don't remember this, and I probably should have. I don't remember his name, but he anything that was incongruent with his set of beliefs was just ballacy. It was wrong. It was categorically wrong. And I found that so interesting because and I didn't reveal that I was an archaeologist to him, and even so

I'm only a master degree archaeologist. He was a PhD. So there's the little, you know, the status hierarchy level that goes on there as well. What I will tell you is funding plays into how you have access to a site. And I have to give some context to that too, because you know, if you're funded by a university and there's a status quo involved with that, yeah, you're gonna go after the thing that the university wants you to find or try to find, versus like saying private funds where it's

maybe more treasure oriented. You know, let's find that goal. Whereas you have researchers like just researchers like you, or folks that you know follow Earth ancients who have no vested interests, there's no money involved, there's no money to be exchanged. It becomes like something that drives them. They want to know the truth about said thing, or they want to collect as much information as they can so they can understand it on their own terms versus what they've

been told. So I think you have those three things, but heavily get kept. This gekeeping that happens is problematic, and that's why scholars are afraid to go into different directions. And a really good case and point of that is, like, let's talk about the peopling of the Americas. I mean that's been blown out of the water. That's a dune deal. I mean, we've got the twenty three thousand year old footsteps in New Mexico now that I just saw that. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it's done well.

In Chesapeake Bay near where I live, they are finding along the areas of refugia where glaciation wouldn't have taken hold. They're finding they're finding things that don't line up with what we know to be true and the artifacts that they believe that they have found, I don't believe that they have good dating on it are twenty six thousand years old, they believe, and they're doing that based on stratigraphy where they found them in the strata, the geologic strata.

So you know, I don't know how much longer gatekeeping can go on because the archaeological finds and record now say something very different than what we've been at, what we've been told to be true about the peopling of the America. And then we have places like go Beckle Tappy that date to twelve thousand, five hundred years in the past, and there's archaeologists that still fight that. It's it's it's kicking them out of their comfort zone to the degree where they

just can't you believe it absolutely. And let's just talk about the new dating techniques that are coming out. I mean, it's going to re establish a lot of different things and the things that we can date now that we weren't

able to previously. Is just I predict in the course of the next probably five to seven years, they're going to be going around to these different schools museums, repositories, archives, and they're going to retest a lot of materials that can Oh my god, is it going to be like retesting the old carbon fourteen dating. I don't I think samples that were originally carbon fourteen dated. Yes, I mean, but there are soil samples that have been taken.

I can't tell you how many soil samples I have taken over the course of my career. And I think about all of the genetic that, like the DNA testing that they can do with soil samples now that like I'm waiting for that amazing Yeah. Oh wow. Well, hey, it's been so much fun having you on the program, and we'll continue to have you on the program as we continue forward into the future. Hopefully we will be around for another twenty years or another twenty years, another ten years and celebrate those

as well as do some touring together. So you're a great part of the program, and I want to thank you for your perspective keeping me agrounded. Well, we have a pretty good time together, Cliff and I haven't really enjoyed your trips over the years. The tours I highly recommend you know,

if folks have the opportunity. I like that you're switching it up. I think that that's really really smart doing different places and you know, always always expanding the boundaries of that, whether you're going to Turkey or you know, Guatemala, the Yucatan Easter Island, wherever that might be. But yeah, I'm definitely I see a trip for I'm going on one of your trips in

the near future, for sure. I need a trip. Excellent, excellent, fantastic, Jen And always great to have you on the program when we can get you because you're a busy person yourself. So thank you for joining me today. All right, so we're going to continue on the program. We're gonna have the best of the best this week. You'll be listening to the very first program with John Anthony West, some of the early Graham Hancock programs, and many others that were highlights for the last ten years. So

that's our program today. The selection of programs that I am featuring on this program are kind of the best of the best. These are people that I admire that I might have known about for a number of years before becoming a podcast host and producer. And if you listen closely at the earlier programs, the first program which starts in June of twenty fourteen. It's a long time ago. It's not that long ago, but it's long ago when you are

talking about podcasting. Podcasting really started around twenty two thousand and nine. Seven two thousand and nine. I got into it helping clients. I was a marketing analyst, a marketing consultant and was helping clients launch their podcast and getting the sense of how the public would react to it. And I had, in its infancy, had launched a Facebook page called Earth Ancients Facebook where I

was. I mean, if you've been listening, I've been involved in fascinated by ancient history for since I was a kid and read a great deal about it. And so when I launched Earth Ancients and I launched this Facebook page, and they kind of coincided with each other. And the Facebook page obviously is photographs and articles and things like that. It's stagnant, whereas the fluidity of podcasting is just unmatched, and I would think that it's going to continue

to evolve. And somehow, I mean, they're saying now that you should have that you should have a YouTube channel with a podcast. I don't know if that's the best thing for a lot of people. I have a YouTube channel, it's called Earth Ancient's Official. I post there, but I don't have the same draw that I have with the audio version. But I mean,

I'm picking it up with I contribute to both mediums. But what you're going to hear today are a selection again kind of the best of the best, some of the fun interviews that I've had who can speak to change in our understanding about our past. And that's the whole reason that I launched Earth Ancients, is that we're really spoon fed and forced to follow a narrative that

has a lot of holes in it. Greek deal holes, and that's why I appreciate archaeologists who are willing to come on the program who admit there's holes. And one of my favorite is obviously doctor Edwin Barnhardt, who have I really admire, but also I got to tell you he is a great tour leader. So today's program is the best of Earth Ancients. It's a tenth anniversary program. I hope we're I hope we're around another ten years because I

want to see what the future offers. So much is happening right now so much is in discovery and the barriers are constantly being pulled down and allowing this free flow of thought. Now there's a lot that still needs to be done, and we're on the trail to see what the future holds. But I'm feeling more confident. I'm feeling more excited about what the future holds for our

history. So here's our program today, the Best of Earth Ancients. It's our anniversary program ten years twenty fourteen to twenty twenty four and this was fun to put together. We open this anniversary program ten years of podcasting with the very first interview with my friend John Anthony West, otherwise known as Jaws. And it's funny because I had had John in San Francisco at Whole LIFEX book talking about ancient civilizations for probably ten years prior to launching the podcast, and

John was philosophical. If you haven't read Serpent in the Sky, his famous book that highlights Schwala de Lubitch, who he wrote the book on this genius who could see patterns in the buildings and in the statuary gray of Froonic Egyptian lifestyle. You got to get that book. But I wanted to have him on the program because he eloquently presents the need for revised history. The Sphinx, of course, what he's most famous for, and in Shock's discovery that

the Sphinx was significantly older than what Egyptologists presented as. And this short clip on the importance of go Beckley Tepe in its place in history and how it will eventually it has changed our understanding of the ancient past and ancient culture. So here is the first bit of information, the first clip from the very

first interview on Earth Ancients June of twenty fourteen with John Anthony West. But the main thing was that the big Smoking Gun is sound not in fact in Egypt, but rather in Turkey. Some of them are some of the listeners today may have heard about or seen clips of the site in turn be called go Beckley Tepe. And this was discovered relatively recently in the middle nineties or so, and it's been under excavation ever since. And it's it's a big,

big site. It's a it's a whole hill actually that was completely covered over. This is a really huge mystery because it was deliberately covered over by whom we don't know, but we do know when it was covered over and what it consists of it was Let me dispact track a second. It was the head anybody familiar with National Geographic, It was the lead article in National

Geographic. I think it was May twenty twelve. I think anyway, if anybody wants to google it up, there's a ton of information on it about g O E b E k l I tepe t e p E. It's the words and it consists of about twenty two closely adjacent stone circles, like

many stonehenges, but not that many. These extraordinary structures are have two central columns big limestone slabs of limestone weighing between ten and fifteen tons each that come from a quarry downhill about half a mile three quarters of a mile away.

And these these these limestone pillars certain are carved in high relief, meaning that the surface of animals and birds and also the symbolics symbolic figures, and high relief means that you have to carve away the surface of the stone in order to allow the relief to picture the sculpture as it were to emerge from the stone. This is ten times more difficult then carving into the stone, and the dating on this, which is this is the breathtaking bit of it.

The archaeologist in charge of the excavations is an absolutely orthodox archaeologists, German flaus Schmidt, very careful worker, and he dates this enormous stone stone complex to ten thousand DC and maybe older. Because they continue to excavate, they they're coming on some very slow work. They're coming upon other circles that they think predate the ones that they that they've already uncovered. And the reason that they

can date them to ten thousand DC and they're unbelievably good shape. They look as though they've been carved the day before yesterday, is because for reasons that at the moment we can only guess that they were deliberately covered over by somebody so that you didn't see these structures. In other words, you take a look at stonehands or the thanks or things in Egypt, most of these amazing sights were covered over to a certain extent by sand or silk or whatever.

But you knew there was a temple there or a sink there because the head was above the sand. With go Beckley tepping. It was just a hill. There was nothing there. A farmer whose land it was accidentally with his plow hit the top of one of these, one of these central pillars, and he thought it was just a boulder and started digging down, and they couldn't get the boulder out, so they dug some more, and then they realized they had found a column or a pillar, and one thing led to

another, and there go Beckley tepping. Have you actually been to that site? John? Oh, yeah, yeah, I've been in Chalk's been a couple of times. It's it's okally amazing and okay, go ahead, But I was split working very carefully. And Soaka is a geologist, so he's very familiar with the ins and out of all of these dating techniques. So he dates the fill to around eight thousand BC, meaning that the structure has put in there in order to be covered by the fill eight thousand BC,

and so he estimates a ten thousand year date. More or less, this is rough for these closely adjacent stone structures. So as far as Laner is concerned, we don't we still don't have a potshard. But what we do have is a whole gigantic complex of twenty five carefully carefully decorated adjacent stone circles.

Like not so many stonehenges and dated by the archaeologists involved in charge of the work a ten thousand BC, and unlike the abuse that we had that we had to put up with when we came up with our water weathering theory. The archaeologists are very silent on this one, but they acknowledge the dating. What they're silent about the implications of the dating, because this means that as we contended from the very beginning, and this goes back. I mean,

it took me ten years to find shock. And this is a long story that we don't have time for on and on our hour here, which is the last twenty minutes of which we'll be questions, questions and answers. I mean, I've been on this trail since I was doing my first commission to do the book on swallow dilubids, The Serpent in the Sky, and it was the Lubat in a book the Genius with the unpronounceable name, when one of his books shortly before he died, called The Sacred translated as The

Sacred Science. The King of the Pharaohonic Theocracy, it was Schwauer who noted that the Great Sphinx had been weathered by water and not by wind and sand. And I to me, this came to me as an epiphany because nobody had ever set suggested this before. I think Schwaller himself did not realize what a bombshell he had he had discovered, and he died about a year after that book was published, so I don't know if he really realized how important

it was. But I did because I realized that if he could prove that the Great Saints, the greatest, the most spectacular sculpture on Earth, and it's adjacent temples, which are built of blocks of stone that weigh upwards of one hundred tons, flotted into place like like like like pieces of a gigantic chicksaw puzzle, you would you would totally destroy the basic femis of what I call the church or progress, which is the which is the credo of modern

progressive rationalist materialist philosophy. Perhaps one of my favorite interviews is with doctor Ardie six Killer Clark, a native in the Northwest who actually chronicled the history of star people in her book series Encounters with Star People, The Untold Stories of American Indians and These. She had two books, This is one and the

other one was on Mesoamerica. She actually was able to get these native tribal elders to talk about encounters, physical encounters with alien beans and also the historical notion of interactions with earth lanes and star people. Here's an excerpt from one of the interviews taken in twenty sixteen. So why don't you give us an

example of a contact story? And then I'll ask you, can you give us an example of possibly at an historic story where maybe the person who you are speaking to describes what his elders had told him about the contact with Mayan or native people from Central America. But let's start with just a general contact. What can you what's a good example of a story that you encountered in meso American Native Americans. My driver Matteo in Guatemala, that we met him

for breakfast one morning. He says, let's hurry up and eat because I'm taking you to mass. And we went to Mass and after the service was over, he said, uh, let's wait here into everyone is gone, and the priest came back in and sat down, and the priest was a childhood friend of my driver, and he explained to the priest, he said, you know this is doctor Clark and what she's doing. And he said,

I thought your story would be something that she should hear. So the priest begins by telling me the story about being awaken in the middle of the night with these bright lights. And he said, I could close my eyelids and I could still see these lights blinking and on and off. And he said, I looked out the window and I saw this machine. And he said I had never I'd only seen lights a couple of times. There was

no electricy in our village. And he said that he walked out and he came upon one of the creatures and he called him a man, and he called him a star man or sky man, and he talked to about having a conversation with this man, asking him what he was doing there. And he said that the skyman pointed this instrument at him and it stung his arm, and the starman told him, he said, you will never remember what

happened. And he said, I looked out into this field and hear all the people in the village and they're lined up and they're going into this machine. And he said, the Starman says, you this way, we'll be able to watch this village. The people of this village, I keep back of this. And he said, I'm wondering why they would want to keep track of us. And he said, but I I made up my mind I was going to remember. And he said, I looked and I saw

my friend Matteo, who is my driver, standing in line. And he says, I run, I have a tale. And I try to pull him out of line, but he's like stone and he won't move. And he said, hey, I'm sitting there on this log and I'm crying because I don't know what's going on. And he said, the Starman comes back and sits with me and tells me, don't worry, don't worry, you will be fine. And he said, I looked at him, and I

said, I will remember this night. And the Starman left him. And he decided that he would pick up a rock and he would take it home with him, and then he would put it the put of his head and the next or just prints of his amazment sorry, and at the next morning, if he got up and there was a rock there, he would know that what he saw was true, and if there was no rock, he would know he had been dreaming. And he said when I got into the rock was there so I know what I'm telling you is true? And they

discussion. Was there a discussion as to what was happening to this village going into the machine? Were they just testing them or analyzing them or marking them or were they doing no discussion at all? Because he didn't know, and Madeo didn't know either, but you know, he the only experiences he had was his talking with the starman who told him that he was going to be keeping track of their village. But it was an interesting story and a police told it to me, so I might be true. Yeah, their wow.

You know. One of the one of the things I'd like to comment about before that talking about that, is that you know, at one time in history, the stories, the ancient stories, were the stories we live by. It was our way of recording history. They were Yeah, they were oral, but that's how we passed down the history of our people to

our children, and then our children passed it on to their children. But when the scientific age was I don't know, industrial age or whatever happened, the Renaissance age, all of a sudden you have that scientific theory coming in that if something can't be proven, then it must be fault. It's just a legend. It's just a myth now, you see. You know, uh, so much of that history was lost because it was disregarded by those

you know, they're in the scientific world. Right. There was a story about the people of the Shining Hand and I had, I was my guide, and I had He asked me, he said, well, you know, would you like to take a roundabout way back to Guatemala City and we'll just stop at some unknown sites that haven't been excavated and and we'll just check

out some things. And I said, that sounds great. So we stopped at this one site that he said this is this is an ancient site that the government has never been really interested in and and so we're, uh, we pulled off and we're going to have lunch there, and this elder came to us and invited us to come to the site. He had a hut that had actually been built by the government, and apparently they've had some plans to excavate the site and then change their mind and they just abandoned the whole

project. Well, this elder in the village had just simply moved into the site and decided that he was going to be the caretaker since the government wasn't interested, so he moved in so looters couldn't come and dig up the site. And he proceeded to He had told me that at one time he had been in America. He spoke very good English, and he took me and showed me his He had a little English library that was everything from dictionaries to

Danielle Steele. I mean, he just said, so before I was getting ready to leave, and I said, here, I want to give you all the paperback books I have with me. And so I gave him a whole group of paperback books and he said, well, you know, in return, I want to take you on a tour of the site. Let me give you something in return. So he took me to this place that there were three sides standing of this this structure, and above the doorway were

these red hands. And I know you've seen those hands different places, if you've traveled throughout you know, in a native country, you see these hands depicted and in just a handprint. And he said to me, and these hands were across this doorway, and he said, you know, if you look at modern architecture, he said, you'll see these hands. And people say that the builders always put their handprint on a building, and that's what these handprints are diand for, but he said that is not true. He

said, these are the hands of the Shining People. And the Shining people are the people who traveled the universe collecting knowledge, and everywhere they went, they left their handprint. And he said, I come here every morning and I sit to remember the Shining People because they are the people of the Brotherhood of the Red Hand. And so he said, the Shining people still travel

the world, they just don't leave their handprint anymore. But he said, the Shining people are the ones who leave those handprints, and they are the gatherers of all the knowledge, and they keep that knowledge because when this world is destroyed, they will have the knowledge of the world and they can help

rebuild it. This next clip was from an interview I did with doctor Milton Wainwright, who had done some fascinating studies in Earth's stratosphere in collecting what initially he thought were spores and then under the electron microscope discovered they were what he called biological entities, and these entities were artificial. He still believes they're artificial and they are filled with biological material DNA, or material that is designed for

life. Now, since his interview in twenty eighteen, he has joined forces with doctor Chandra walk Ramsey and written a book. We're going to feature doctor Wick Ramsey in a couple of weeks to discuss this book and discuss what has happened. But this is an important description of applied panspermia, the seeding of planet Earth, either by an intelligent entity thousands excuse me, billions of years

old, or through some natural process that we are we don't understand. At the end of this interview, you can hear his frustration because he reaches out to NASA and gets a zero response. This is a brilliant scientist who has a team of scientists and students who are working with balloons collecting samples in our stratosphere and they're turning up to be quite eye opening. So here's this short clip. When I looked at it, I thought, wow, I have

no idea what that is. But what I did I said to the students, would you go back and do what we call an edex edX. Now, this is we apply an electron VIAM to the sample and we can determine it's atomic structure. So for example, we can determine if it contains carbon, if it contains iron, all the elements we can determine. So we put across there on the ball and they press a button and we get this wonderful array of elements, and to my great amazement, the main element was

titanium with a little bit of zirconium. Oh my god. Now when I say titatum, because it doesn't necessarily mean it's titanium metal. It may be titanium oxide, but it's titanium anywhere titanium. And I oh wow, Okay, Now, for some amazing reason, I don't know why, I just said, wouldn't it be interesting to look behind the ball right because it was a perfect sphere? And I asked and students Alex and Chris by the way,

if they could just move it across now. Fortunately, they add some tremendous machinery on the electron microscope, which most biologists don't have because they're injuryars. They have far more sophisticated microscopes than I would be used to using. And their microscope had this amazing ability to produce like a little wire that could be manipulated and using this wire. Remember we're extremely high magnification. This very

fine piece of wire could be used to drag the ball across. So when they dragged the ball across and brought me the images again, I was absolutely stunned because there was a material oozing out of the sphere, right And when we analyzed the material, it was biological. It was carbon. It wasn't titanium. It was made of carbon and oxygen, a little bit of nitrogen. That is the signature for biology, and that's the signature we use with

all these biological entities while we're trying to determine if they're cosmic dust. Cosmic dust comes across as aluminium, iron. Biological has come across as carbon, oxygen and a little bit of nitrogen. Okay, let me stop you right there just for a second. At this this biological entity, this metal.

Or would you say that it's artificial because when I look at it, it's perfect round, it's exactly well yeah, yeah, when I when you say, I say it's artificial, I suggested maybe, because you can't be certain about these things. And on what's the board? It was again extremely interesting is when we look to the surface, the surface was made of knitted material, knitted strands, a bit like what you might imagine a knitted wool jumper

would look like. It was made of material which was like knittered strands. And this again heed Axt came up as biological. So what we have here is a sphere made of titanium, made of a little bit of other metals that mainly titanium, and inside there's biological material on on the outside there's biological

material. And so obviously there are a number of suggestions to this. Possibly this material was like a shell hermit crab, in which it was a physical a physical sphere there was somewhere else in the cosmos, and the organism had crawled into it for protection. Yeah, and crawled and developed on the outside of it. Or of course it could have been synthesized in that way. Or of course it could the organism could have secreted the titanium on the outside.

Well, I'm thinking something else, and I'm just my next question to you is is like these orbs or a delivery system? Yeah, right now, I did suggest this in a newspaper report, not because I necessarily believe it or I've necessarily got any directly formation but just to cover all the bases, as you would say, because it occurred to me that this may be a synthetic means of delivery organisms, which would be in lign with this theory

of directed panspermia. Yes, the idea that some alien civilization was seeding the universe in some kind of delivery system. Now I have no direct evidence for that. This is a suggestion. It's a very plausible suggestion. But of course unless we find out, unless we found a name on it, you know, comes from planet Zenon. Yeah, or we could directly go back and see these aliens spewing these things out at rockets. However, it can

only remain a suggestion. But it's a very interesting suggestion and it fits in with the look of the of the of the structure. Let me ask you you you have targeted the Earth's stratosphere. Is there something about that location that is a good collecting h area for these bacterias before they delivered to the actual surface of the planet. Uh, why why did you pick that area?

Well again I must I must correct you on the bacteria we're talking now about wilunch twenty excuse me, Yeah, but we know that, but we know that are about bacteria in there. But let me tell you something about size. Now, this is very important when we do calculations. Other people have done this. The general consensus is nothing larger than six microns. These are

just measurements. If if the listeners don't know about micron, but just think in terms of sixth Anything above six cannot travel from Earth to the heights of the stratosphere that we're sampling. Now, Bacteria, as I said before, around about one micron, so they could theoretically be carried up to the stratosphere. But a viruses, of course, certainly because virus is extremely small, they could theoretically be carried up. But our entities, remember, are ten

to forty microns. Now it is impossible on current understanding to see how you could, what mechanism you could have to carry them up to that height. So the thinking is this, anything that's coming into the Earth comes through the stratigphy. Of course, if we go out to a point where we can't get Earth organisms, then anything we collect by definition is coming in from space. Now, another very interesting point about this is that the biological entities we

collect are associated with impact events. On our sampler, we get impact events from cosmic dust. The cosmic dust is very hard and as it comes in, it hits the sampler and impacts it makes a crater, much like the a crater on Earth that's supposed to have killed the dinosaurs. So you've got this crater on the sampler, and around these craters you've got the biological entities.

So again that's some indirect evidence that this material is coming in. Okay, right, Obviously, if we went twenty feet into the air, then the whole sampler would be full of grass and pollen. You wouldn't see anything, right, for what you see lots of Earth material. But the higher you go, of course, there are less chance you've got of contamination from Earth. But I've got a stress again yet again, and this is the basic point when we are absolutely certain we're right, because if this was coming

from Earth, we would have seen pollen grain on our sampler. We have not yet seen a single pollen grain. And we've sampled now I don't know, fifteen twenty times, I guess, and all over the world. Oh, by the way, not just in the UK. We've sampled in Death

about Death Valley. We've sampled above the Bonacal sub slets, We've sampled above the Aurora borealists, We've sampled across the across the prairies, sorry, the grasslands of Wisconsin, basically because we want to exclude the possibility of the local event, and it certainly isn't because we find these biological entities on all the well nearly all the samples we've We've done okay, and when we sampled over Wisconsin there was no grass. Now you know, sorry they say Wisconsin,

I mean Wyoming. When we sampled over Wyoming there was no grass, and we would have expected to have found some grass particles were they coming from Earth. So we are absolutely convinced this material is incoming else, incoming from space to Earth. And no one, I mean I've given talks about it at

meetings throughout the world. No one has suggested an alternative. I mean every you know that of course on the Internet, on the Internet interactions, they all just say, oh, hop cooms razor, it must be coming from Earth. A lot of these people don't read the papers, they don't listen to Earth because if you say that, then you would have to have found earth lit material on the sampler. We can get into the whole alien influence and the whole UFO alien thing. We're not going to go there, but

uh, you do mention that NASA is doing somewhat similar work. Are they finding these uh metal biological entities like you are? Well anything, anyone who gets involved with NASA minds themselves with an enigma and wrapped in a box and wrapped in the Yes, we know, you know all about that. Yeah, we have people. Well what an have to do it? NASA they did some work like this way back in the nineteen or nineteen sixties, I guess, and I don't know what they're doing. I don't know if they're

sampling. They should be trying to repeat our work because it's extremely low cost, extremely simple. They could do it with their technology and their budget. They could do that in six months. They could have repeated our work. So I don't know. Maybe they've repeated it, maybe they found more, Maybe they always knew about it. I don't know. I sent all my

material to various NASA scientists and not got any reply. I mean, we know they are testing the survival of bacteria in space, in the space station and so on, but as yet I don't know that they I find that amazing that they haven't responded to you. Well, it's not only amazing, it's it's absolutely incredible. We're gonna allow our sponsors to identify themselves and take

a short break, but we'll be right back with my guest today. Featured on the tenth anniversary of Earth Ancients, the podcast We'll be right back. This is a special edition of Earth Ancients. This is our tenth anniversary program. We are featuring a number of highlights that I have interviewed throughout the years, and we're gaining a sense of just how these people have shaped Earth Ancients and those who are listening. It's always fun to have two authors on a

program. We had doctor Robert Shock and engineer Egyptian engineer Robert Beaval on the program promoting their new book, Origins of the Sphinx. This is back in twenty seventeen, and some of the points they make on the Sphinx are eye opening. But this is an excerpt from information on the Sphinx Temple, which is something I didn't know about, and they bring up some very very important points and evidence of the great antiquity of that whole enclosure quick lessen the whole

structure, the whole the whole sphinx is from the living rock. As Roberts said, there's added repairs around the poles, a bit on the rum, some of them dating from Old Kingdom times, probably in New Kingdom times and recent times. I've actually seen people working and repairing these sphings in the last fifteen years or so. But it's essentially was one maybe one structure cut from

the living rock. It's actually tied to the bedrock on the ground, if you like, and so the idea that the head is detached or that's quite incorrect. I think one thing that Roberts will agree with me is that, you know, there's a lot of emphasis on this thing itself and all that Robert said, I fully concord, But people tend to forget that the sphinx is attached to two temples, or there are two temples in the vicinity of the sphinx, once one in front of it called the Sphinx Temple, and

one slightly adjacent towards the south called the Mortuary Temple. And these, I'm sure Roberts will agree, give indications also of a much much earlier date than prescribed by the Egyptologists. Do you want to take over Robert Orally, I have match I should mentioned I was mentioning my first trip to Egypt. One of the first things I studied was those two were those two temples, and I actually came to the conclusion that they were older than the traditional Egyptologists state

before. I was absolutely convinced about the sphinx, so are incredibly import to. Let me describe a couple of aspects of them that are pertinent, and I'll try not to go into too much detail, but geologically we can demonstrate, and this has been demonstrated not just by myself but other geologists independently, those temples are composed of limestone cores. So limestone cores made up huge megalithic blocks weighing tens of tons. Actually a couple of them are probably well over

fifty tons, maybe approaching one hundred tons. Those blocks did not just come randomly from anywhere. They were actually corried out of the sphinx enclosure when the sphinx was being carved, when the body of the sphinx was being carved. So those core limestone blocks making up those two temples are contemporaneous with the carving of the body of the sphinx. Do you understand what I'm saying. So those temples are as old as a oldest portion of the Sphinx. They were

later they were heavily eroded and weathered again by water. I can determine that. I've to been able to determine that geologically water in terms of precipitation rainfall coming down from above. Sometimes people say, oh, it must have been Nile floods. Now you can demonstrate geologically it was not Nile floods, because they were Nile floods would give a different type of weathering and erosion pattern.

These were heavily weathered and eroded. Then later they were repaired by the Egyptians using Aswan granite, huge blocks of Aswan granite which are later than the original temples, and those Aswuan blocks of granite have inscriptions. There's still a couple of inscriptions remaining very highly eroded on the so called Valley Temple that indicates they were there either in place or they were already there in old Kingdom times.

So if you're repairing something old Kingdom times, you know that the original structure is much much older. Yeah, And and the weathering on those those temples is similar to the sphinx or not. It's not just similar, it's identical. It's identical. Okay, well that's it's developed a bit differently to the so it's it's you know, the average person might look in and say,

well, how can you say those id are identical. No, it's identical from a geological point of view in terms of the nature of the weathering, the type of weathering. You know. Again, this is something that we could discuss for three or four hours against on each in the field. And I do that with people sometimes when I take there, and they're very interested. But yes, and as I said, that was what convinced me initially, even before the actual of the strength. Okay, can I add a

bit more on this temple. Yeah. Notwithstanding the geological analysis that Shocks just gave, which is quite correct, there is the architectural analysis or investigation. I mean, what's all about these temples, as Robert pointed out, is that they're built with blocks ranging from about fifty tons. There's a few of them going up to one hundred tons. There is even one or two, I think going up to two hundred tons. A fifty ton block is an

enormous piece of stone. It's if you can imagine, roughly speaking, something like I would say about forty or fifty large size four wheel drive cars pushed into one one lamp. That's that's the weight and size of these blocks. But from an architectional point of view, there's something very odd about the choice of building these temples with these large, massive galithic blocks, principally because it's

it's totally logical to build to build anything with these size of blocks. Uh. And more personally, we know of a of a of a complex not far away, which is the Step Pyramid Complex, which was built just before by the dynasty of the Third Dynasty, before the so called Old Kingdom fourth dynasty. Now these uh, the Pyramid Complex, the Step Pyram Complex. There are many structures, particularly and trans wall. There's a boundary wall that's

still standing in the east southeast part. There is a few temples within so called dummy buildings. But the point I want to bring out here is that they're built with blocks that roughly are about I would say about thirty to forty kilos, the sort of blocks that today we would use. We wouldn't exceed this way, mainly because we'd expect a mason to be able to live them and put them into place. So that's the logical way to build. Now.

They obviously knew this, and they knew this in the third dynasty. So looking back now at the temples in front of the Sphinx, the Sphinx temple and the mortuary example, it doesn't make sense. They knew how to build with regular, small size blocks with perfection, whereas using this kind of assive blocks, apart from an engineering difficulty of moving them around and lifting them, I just can't imagine how this was done. It's totally tot theologically,

totally unnecessary. And furthermore, if you look at the pyramids on the plateau, none of these blocks are used. Of the size. The largest block, if I'm not mistaken, is at the bottom of the second pyramid of Haffre's pyramid, which is about I think twenty five tons. Is that correct, Robert, Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. So these temples, to me is a great mystery. They obviously are of a different type

of engineering construction. The erosions suggests them being very very old, much older, but it suggests a completely different contractor, if you like, using completely different technique, which in itself doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to use blocks of this size. It's just crazy. If today I would be asked to build a temple of that size, I would use what they used

in the Third Dynasty, blocks of about twenty to thirty heroes. So to me, everything points to a completely different phase that we're looking at the Sphinx and it's two temples and probably the temples further up closer to the pyramids on the east side. These form a complex in my mind. A regular feature for many years was the Indian research investigator and YouTube channel host Praven Mohan, and he would come on regularly and post his last discoveries, talk about his

latest discoveries. He's gone independent. We're going to start working with him again because there are so many amazing Indian temples that have not been really described with any detail or imaged with any detail. And this is an interview from twenty eighteen where he describes a very unique temple and also other peculiar carvings that make up one or more temples that he is highlighting in this interview. Yeah, so the name of the temple is hoys aal is wor a temple, and

this temple is one of the strangest temples in all of India. I've made I think half a dozen videos about this temple because in this temple you can find many strange things. You can find a carving of a telescope, and this temple is yeah, yeah, it's amazing because this temple is about nine hundred years old, and you know, according to historians, telescope was only discovered just you know, three or four hundred years ago. People we're reading

history books that you know, Liperchet and Galileo invented the telescope. But this temple shows a man holding a telescope nine hundred years ago. This temple shows clear evidence of ancient machining. This temple shows gears. But what's really amazing is that this temple shows ancient astronauts with almost the same year as we see today. They're wearing gloves, they're wearing helmets, they're actually there's not one

there. I think there's about half a dozen of them, and they're all in like a kneeling position to a god that is sitting on the throne. And the academics have to say something like that, I mean, to my mind and what I'm looking at, I mean, some people might say, well, perhaps they're divers, they're local divers, and that's a diving suit. But they look like they have breathing apparatuses on them and some other details. What are the what do they say? What do the academics say,

or maybe they don't say anything. Yeah, they don't say anything. That's that's right. Actually, yeah, they don't say anything. In India, all these out of place artifacts or out of place carvings, they're all completely ignored. You know, archaeologists and historians will not just talk about them, and they will simply say, we don't know what this is. We are yet to find out, you know that, And that's the general statement that they use. Yeah, and see, but we don't have any anything from

archaeologists and historians. But we can actually find the answers in ancient Indian texts, because ancient Indian texts talk about you know, ancient astronauts coming to Earth all the time. They're called they was in India, and they talk about how the day was came from different planets they were and there were various planets and various types of gods were coming to Earth, and there were wars between them. They were fighting amongst each other, and we have clear evidence of

how they were teaching us. They were teaching human beings about science technology. In fact, it's so well documented in Indian texts how ancient astronauts came down from the sky and they taught human beings about agriculture, rioting, you know.

And I think this explains how human beings are able to show a remarkable development, you know, like even if we think, you know, the theory of evolution is true for about two hundred thousand years, human beings have been walking, but only in the last five five thousand years they were able to go from you know, just being hunter gatherers to building the pyramids and just going to Mars. And this is all just in the last five thousand

years. Let me ask you about this temple though. Is this temple designated towards the space off world beings or is it dedicated towards astronomy. I mean, because right there you got somebody holding a telescope, you have some spacemen. Is there rocket ships or anything like a vomana or a flying vehicle outlined in these carvins. No, there is no vimana in this temple. This temple which is called the Hoisalis word temple is actually dedicated to Lord Shiva.

Lord Shiva is actually one of the very first gods who came to Earth, and he's considered the supreme leader, and all the gods who came to India after that are considered inferior to him. I see in India almost all temples are dedicated to the gods who came from the sky. Interesting and this temple. How old is the temple itself? Well, archeologists confirmed that this is

at least nine hundred years old. Okay, okay, so it is at least nine hundred years old, but it could be much much older because what it actually shows it shows Egyptians and it's actually showing Egyptian from twenty five hundred BC. So this is this temple could be four thousand, five hundred years old. I've actually posted a video about this on YouTube. So this temple could be much older because there was absolutely no chance of having an Egyptian carved

in a temple that's about nine hundred years old. We don't have any documentary evidence. Yeah, yeah, it would have to be older. One of the things I'm curious about, and I don't know if you can answer this question. I travel to Mexico and Central America and the Maya and some of the other earlier cultures, through different generations began modifying their temples. They would each generation many hundreds or perhaps thousands of years after the initial building was erected,

would modify, would enhance. It is that found in Indian architecture also, especially these older temples. Yes, yes, but we can see gradual changes. The big difference is that I think the big difference is that it's if we look at mainstream history, they not only talk about like biological evolution, they also talk about technological evolution. For example, you can if you compare the car that was built one hundred years ago or fifty years ago,

it's going to look much primitive than the card that we use now. And this is quite understandable. But we do see changes in temples. But what's really amazing is that the older the temple, the more advanced it is. Yeah, and this is not really evolution. This is actually sort of its reverse evolution, you know, to ask and the oldest temples that we see in India, for example, the Kaylasa Temple, it's just built out of one solid rock it's claimed to be built just in eighteen years, which would

be impossible. Let's talk about the Kliasa Temple, because one of your recent videos shows two temples. There's a model of the Kaliasa Temple and then there's the actual temple, and the story goes that there was a father and son

that competed against each other or something that was kind of interesting. Can you talk a little bit about that the Kaliasa for those of you listen listening, and by the way, I am going to post specific videos of what we're talking about on the Facebook page and also on Earth Ancient's website, so you can see exactly exactly what Pravine has decided to highighlight of, you know, the twelve thousand different temples. We talk a little bit about the Caliossa because

that is one of the most amazing solid rock carvings I've ever witnessed. Yeah, the the the actually, the Colossa Temple is a true megalithic marble, just like the Pyramids. In fact, it's it's in some ways it's better than the Pyramid itself because what it really is is that the entire temple is just made of one rock. There is a hill made of flood bassalt. And what ancient builders have done is that they started out from the top and

they carved an entire temple out of this hill. And it's amazing. And when you actually visit this place, you don't realize that. And this is what people get. You know, until two thousand and fifteen, people did not realize that the Kailasa Temple was made of one solid rock until I told them. Because when people walk into this temple, it's so large, it's I don't know how huge it is. It has many, many smaller shrines inside it. It has multiple floors, so people think it's been built from

the bottom down. You know, when we create a structure, right, when we create a structure, what we do is we build a foundation. We start laying stones from the bottom and go to the top. But what ancient bulders have done is that they've taken they've located a hill and they decided to start from the top and then carve an entire temple. There are tairways inside it. You would never realize that this is made of just one rock.

Yeah, and we have had kings, you know, we have had Mongol and Arab kings who came from different countries, who actually tried to destroy this temple, and it's not possible to destroy them. What they were able to do was able to disfigure a few carvings. Because if everything is made of one rock, and it's I don't know how many tons of rocks it is made of, but it's simply impossible even to destroy. And I raised the question, if human beings can't even destroy this temple, the human beings

really built this temple. I've known Graham Hancock for a number of years. He is an institution in his own right. I can remember, and I talk about this often when he came to Northern California when Fingerprints of the Gods was released in the late nineteen eighties I think or early nineteen nineties, and I knew this was somebody very special and prolific writer, an amazing observer.

And that's what really is happening now, is we're having observers question history, question what is happening, question what has been written, and begin opening the door, unfortunately with a crow bar, sometimes forcefully, but we have to change what our narrative is. And Graham Hancock is really leading the way in many, many ways. So here's a very early interview with Graham on the asteroid hit that is part of the Younger dreat In your research on this,

I'm just going to call it a terminating event. Would you say the effects were not only felt in the North American region but throughout the world. I mean, you speak a great deal about go Beckley TEPPI, Yeah, magicians of the guys. Would you say that this effect was global? What happened at the beginning of the Younger Dryest twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago was absolutely a global cataclysm on a scale that may be compared with the so called

KT event that wiped out the dinosaurs sixty five million years ago. We're talking about an event on a similar scale. It really covers a vast area of the Earth's surface. We can say that the epicenter was in North America. And remember that North America. Twelve nine hundred years ago, half of North America was covered with a massive ice camp, and that ice cap was up to two miles deep. And the evidence is that the primary impacts we're on

that North America an ice cap. But you can draw out a map of this cataclysm and there were impacts as far east as Syria as a matter of

fact. So what we're looking at is a comet swarm, a swarm of debris which this debris consists of fragments of what was once a huge comet that broke up into multiple parts, a swarm of comic debris entering the Aarth's atmosphere twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago on a roughly northwest to southeast trajectory, the primary impacts, with objects as much as one kilometer in diameter being on the North American ice cap itself, but with further impacts of perhaps smaller objects

on the Northern European ice cap and the furthest east that the fallout has been traced is a site called Abohurera in Syria, which is extremely close to gobecle Tepe. So we have to ask ourselves whether the megalithic constructions of Turkey, whether the mysterious underground cities of Turkey, for example, may have had something to do with this cataclysm, because this is not something that simply happened in a single year. We're looking at at an episode decades of bombardment taking place.

This is the transaction of the Earth with the turid media stream tends to occur with the filaments of the tourid media stream that are full of dangerous objects. Tends to occur over periods of ten or twenty years, and then declines and goes down for thousands of years and then comes back up again. So we are still in a relationship with the tourid media stream today. It was objects from the turid media stream that caused the beginning of the Younger Dryass Cataclysm

twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago. There's now evidence in a recently published paper from the same team that there were prior impacts going back ten or twenty thousand years before that, and that there have been subsequent impacts. So we're looking at a hidden hand in human history which is gradually revealing itself. When you say a terminating event, what would you give the number of percentage wise in terms of loss of human life? Would you say there was a remaining

ten twenty percent? I mean, it's hard to say, obviously, because we don't have. What we know is that exactly the same time, there were very large scale animal extinctions. These are the extinctions of the of the megafauna, the rhinos, the mammoths, the mastodons, and so on.

And there's an extreme peak concentration of these megafonal extinctions with the period from twelve eight hundred and sixty down to eleven six hundred years ago, which is the period the geologists call the Younger Dryas it's long been a mysterious period in Earth history. We've never really had an explanation for why the Earth was coming out of the Ice Age twelve nine hundred years ago and then suddenly plunged back into

intense freezing conditions that lasted for one two hundred years. The comet impact hypothesis, which is now supported by just reams and massive of evidence in all of the leading scientific journals, is the hypothesis that best explains the cataclysm of the Younger Dryers. So we see during the Younger Dryers a massive die off of animal species, and it would be absurd to propose that human beings escaped that

cataclysm unscathed. There is evidence of disruption and disturbance of human populations at that time, but honestly, the work is really just beginning. Yeah, you also highlight the work of Randall Carlson. We've had Randall on the show a number of times. Radall is a good friend of mine and he and I have done travels and adventures together, and it was traveling with Randal across the Channel scab Lads of the Pacific Northwest back in twenty fourteen was a very important

research journey for me in the preparation for writing Magicians of the Gods. Yeah, I mean, his description of these megafloods is just mind blowing. In fact, the Mexican Geographical Society has now reported that up to as recent as one five hundred years ago there were tsunamis and flooding in northern Mexico, and there's great evidence of that, and they don't know how that occurred. So

it's really brought up a whole new level of thinking. You know, I think that I think the science, archaeological science in particular, if archaeology can be called a science at all, how has a lot more work to do on the issue of cataclysms. So you can understand how this happened, how archaeology became allergic to cataclysms. It happened when archaeology was taking shape as a

discipline in the nineteenth century. This was also the time of Darwin's work on evolution and the time when modern science began to define itself as something that was completely separated from an unconnected to, for example, biblical ideas and biblical superstitions. And one of the strong ideas biblical ideas is the notion of the Great Flood, that there was a cataclysmic flood that wiped out almost all species,

leaving only a few survivors. And geologists and their archeological colleagues in the nineteenth and early twentieth century were very keen to distance themselves from such ideas. They did not want to be involved in cataclysms, particularly of the nature of Noah's flood. In any way they wanted to be. They wanted to show how scientific they were, how objective they were, how they had separated themselves off from these so called primitive superstars. But I think in the process they threw

out the baby with the bath water. Of course, cataclysms have played a huge role in the human story, and really today we're only just now beginning to realize how dramatic and how massive that role has been, and certainly in the case of the event of twelve eight hundred and sixty years ago. We are looking at an event that changed the world completely. My next highlight is with Muhammad Imbraheem. This was the first time I did an interview with him.

We hadn't even done a tour yet, and I wanted to get a sense of his involvement in the history of the Pharaohs, but not only that, what his take was from a different perspective. As you know, he's trained as a classic Egyptologist, but began seeing things at a very young age that really changed his position and his perspective on ancient Egypt. What do you think of their point of view? What do you think of keeping the party line and uh, you know claiming the Sphinx was from Kufu and the Great

Pyramid was built during the Dynastic period. When you when you hear these party lines, what can you do just speak to people when you meet with him on tour or do you write about it? How do you get the word out from your perspective? Of course, I don't you know. I feel sad about this because there are two levels of understanding this. There is yourtology level, which I don't deny. By the way, I agree it happened so many of the stories happened. But the first living, this is I

call it the second living. The first level is that big question. What we are saying it happened, this was the only thing happened. As an example, we can say the Great Permit was used as a tomb. Okay, I agree with this. But if this is the only thing happened, and if or is the Great pyramit was built to be used as a tomb, this is now the question. And that question is not based on imagination. It is based on so many evidences, so many questions about the techniques

and the size of the buildings. That's why I'm trying hard to do many ways of trying to answer this question or presenting this point of view during my tours on Facebook, on YouTube, lectures, writing some documents like in academia website. So I'm trying to show the people why we think that the Permit

wasn't built as a tool. Well that's great. Have you ever talked with some of your professors following your work as a professional, like speak with Zahi Hawas and say, hey, Sahai, you need to look at it like this or take a look at this a little closer. So on and so forth, because you know, Sahi h Was goes way back with people like Chris Dunn and Graham Hancock and a number of authors who have pointed out huge anomalies, huge bits of evidence that a lot of the structures from the past

on the Giza Plateau are we're created with the machines. What do you say to that, Look, I can tell you Unfortunately, the chance to meet them is very limited, if not very hard. That's why I am meeting the juniors, and I talk with the juniors, and many of them don't correspond, they don't agree with what I say. Right of course, when you say juniors, you mean newly graduated Egyptologists. No, No, like ten years after graduation. Okay, okay, yes, not very graduate fresh

or and not high of fish in between, okay, okay. Because we do have one major problem that Egyptology is a very old is a very old science or subject in Egypt and in the whole world. You know, I can tell you with great confidence Egyptology started from the Greek Roman time, not only the Middle Ages. So it became like a Bible holy book. So when you argue with the Bible, it means that most of the people will not believe you. When you say Bible, you mean like the Greeks were

studying the various pyramidal structures in Egypt and they wrote it. Yes, that's why the word pyramid is Greek. The world the timbill is Greek. The word kiops, the word for most of the ancient Egyptian or most of the Egyptology terminology is Greek. Wow. When we say how oras isis was Iris, this is all Greek names. Hmmm, I didn't know that. Let's

get into this. Let's talk a little bit about the hard evidence. Now, what have you uncovered which leads you to believe that the pharaohs, the dynastic pharaohs, did not build the structures on the Giza plateau, including the Sphinx? What? What? What? What? What was your what's the biggest takeaway? What is you? What have you found independent of your training that made you believe that the pharaohs that we understand uh today were not the

builders? Okay? Number one is when you look to the stone and the material they claimed they cut the stone was, it doesn't make sense. Like, as an example, in the Great Pyramid, we have two materials inside the Great Pyramid lime stone, which is not very hard material, but we still have some big blocks till twenty tons and granite. Now this is the big problem, the granite. And according to Egyptology, till the Middle Kingdom, or like all the time of all the Kingdom and the beginning of the

Middle Kingdom, ancient Egypt didn't use any iron. They were depending on bronze and copper. So when we come to the fact that can coober cut limestone, yes, not easy job, but it can happen. Can cobber cut granite? No, how strong you know, completely no, absolutely no, impossible, right, Okay, So this is one of the main evidences.

I use it to explain to my friends because sometimes I take my own colleagues and my friends who are interested in this subject to the Pyramids and to Gize Blatau, and also to the Egyptian Museum, because there is a great evidence in the Egyptian Museum, the unfinished books, which we can see when they were trying to cut the lid of the books from the same block, it seemed that the mistake happened, so they broke half of the lid, so

it became like wasted material. So when we look to the cut now and we are lucky that this mistake happened. So when we look to the cut, it is not a cut of a chessel at all. It's a cut of a big circular SOO, okay, what in your what is your feeling about the people who actually cut? How? Who are these people? How old? How far back do we go to recognize them? And where did they come from? Who are these people that actually built these great structures?

Okay, I want like two minutes to exiplain to you as a small story. Yes, okay, So number one, how we say that there was advanced tools because we can see the mark the result of that advansit tool, the black tools, right okayes Like we can see in in next to the Great Pyramid on the eastern side there is a great basalt foundation. They say that it used to be the base of a big temple. I agree with this. We see some so cuts like modern tools, no way to and

it was happened by any manual tools. Cannot do this any any person, even the very restricted minds. When they see it, they will immediately understand this is a modern sow cut or a so cut like modern tools like power tools. Also in the Great at the Egyptian Museum, as I said that box, which is very clear, and most of my friends when I took them there, they completely convinced because you don't only see the cut mark,

but also you see the curve. That's why I said circular sow. I was very clear when I was also explaining the shape of the saw does not straight, so circular sow because the mark of the curve on the stone. You can see that curved mark. Right. Okay, number two, we think that this kind of tool wasn't during the nesters. Why because the us

are structures. We are very sure it was built during as an example, the Forced dynasty surrounding the Perimit. When you look to the technique and the material and the quality and the finishing, it doesn't match the same like the Great Pyramid. Someone will can tell you no, because this is happened by the royal architects and workers and this is maybe not. Now I can say no, he will be wrong because this is all royal cemetery according to the

Egyptology terminology. So if we have any structure in this royal area will be done by the royal group, nobody else. So we must have the same technique. Even if we took about big scale or a smaller scale, the

technique will have been in both structures. Okay. The last thing that during what we call the pre dynastic time, which is we explained as primitive people before the dynastics, and they were collecting food, they didn't even had any kind of civilization, and they started, yeah, the hunter gatherers exactly, and then they gathered in small villages and then towns and then cities and the

regular type of civilization happened. In the tombs of those pre dynastic people, we found very primitive tools and very primitive products like pottery, and even not in a good shape, so some of the tombs were made before the invented the buttery wheel. But the surprising thing that with this collection of primitive products you find very fine selection of perfect products from very hard stones like granite, like some soft materials were very delicate like alabaster, like schist, some foreign

materials like ametists like labis, lazuli. So here's a big question, very big question, how come those primitive people did this. We are denying that the dynasties, which I agree and I don't underestimate their civilization. They had also great civilization and they managed to achieve great things. But when we come to the power tool, we must stop. So if we deny that they were able to do this, how come those primitive people and everybody, a

Gyptologists or other people was alternative stories. We all admit that this era was primitive. How come they made such perfect designs and great products? So here is my own answer, and so many us people that do things were found by the primitive people, and they used it and they kept with them, and when they died, they puried it with them. So the word found means it was made before them. Okay, so this is how we think

that there was a civilization before the Egyptian civilization. So we can call the Egyptian civilization the one we love the dynastic civilization, so that there was previous civilization and it seemed that it was more advanced than the dynastic time. I hope you enjoyed this reminiscing over the years of various interviews here on Earth Ancients, And I gotta also mention our little sister Destiny. Destiny has also carved a path in the podcast world, and if you haven't listened, to Destiny.

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