Russell Targ: Remote Viewing, Past, Present, Future

This week we look at unorthodox methods of seeking data from the past and present in the future. Not using lightar, not using research investigations and documents to find ancient sites ancient artifacts. We're talking about using the mind clairvoyance technique known as remote viewing. Now we've had other people on the program talking about using

remote viewing, but today we have the experts. This is Russell targ and the team that brought us what was known as the Stargate program, which eventually morphed into remote viewing. Today's program features a new book by Russell called Third Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters, and will be part of a two part series on remote viewing, culminating with an archaeologist talking about his work and finding ancient sites. All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday,

August nineteenth, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. A note on today's introduction. I didn't realize that my microphone had stopped working, and so you're going to hear the first part of this show from a defective mike. That's why I sound like I'm in a garage. I'm sitting in a garage and speaking with you. So apologies for that, but here is today's program. There you are, Hey,

you doing, Come on in and have a seat. Excited about today's program and for the actual programming for the next two weeks is provocative, unique, and typical for Earth ancients. If you're a regular listener. We depend on the orthodox archaeologists historians to give us data through the measurements, through the scientific aspects of being able to see data on the ground through excavations of sites discovery, and this can be digging, finding evidence of ruins. We're able now.

Science is and I don't want to use the word science too much because we have issues with scientific evidence scientific practices in the field of anthropology and archaeology. They are being aided greatly with unique technologies like LDAR scanning technologies, sometimes by satellite, most often planes and helicopters that have this scanning technology added to

it, and we're getting back evidence of unseen ruins. With ruins we can't see with the naked eye, but we can see with lightar because this technology eliminates the camouflage of trees, bushes, grasses, even in many cases a few feet underground. The technology pierce pierces the surface and we get data.

But this is what we have right now. But this is in many ways is frustrating because we don't have the data inform in the form of books, evidence, hieroglyphics that talk about who, what these places are, who built them, and the time period. This is most prominently coming to bear on us when we look at places like Guatemala, where a survey was done very recently I think it was twenty eighteen from the University of Guatemala and a number

of independent scientists who scanned the Bias Fear of Guatemala. I think it was two hundred square miles and discovered not a few hundred, not a few thousand, sixty thousand unknown cities, buildings, pyramids, temples of the ancient Maya. We had doctor Richard Hansen on the program about a year and a half ago, and he flat out said it's going to take two hundred plus years for properly survey, categorize, and understand just how big this is. That's

the tip of the iceberg. When we keep looking, and we still we look at the light our scans that have been done since then. There was a team from the University of Arizona who scanned an area in the Pacific region of Mexico and came back with five hundred unknown temples, pyramids, platforms, play called them and other peculiar buildings. I say peculiar because archaeologists can only consider their training. In other words, they are using one hundred year plus

references in their teachings people that have been long dead. And I mean, I'm lucky to have ed Barnhardt as a friend and as a collaborator when I do writing and when I'm looking at ruins. But what's asked quite fascinating about light art is it's returning to us very unusual structures. These what they call platforms really don't make any sense to me because they're so big. There's one in southern Mexico that was discovered that's approximately the length and width of a runway,

an airplane runway. It's fact, in fact, it's identical if I were even to suggest this being a runway. And by the way, these are dated to three thousand plus years old. This is pre Classic, pre Classic Maya. We don't really know a lot about the pre Classic period, but what we do know is the great design and engineering of many of these Mayan cities begins in the pre Classic period. We don't know the language from that period. The hieroglyphics are kind of strange, and there's a whole group

of archaeologists that are looking at this early period. But because their training is limited and they're very challenged when it comes to pushing beyond that data that we're left with evaluations from these people that don't fulfill what we're looking at and the

data. Now today we're talking about unorthodox scanning techniques and this comes into play and we begin talking about individuals like Edgar Casey, Madame Boblaski Levasky, and the whole remote viewing phenomenon that is bringing up data from the ancient past. So today our program is on remote viewing and we have the founder co founder of remote viewing, Russell targ as our guestity. But Russell begins with the

foundation of remote viewing. We get we begin to see the evidence and then the collaboration of other sciences with remote viewing and how it has been in effective in finding not only individuals, but ancient ruins and other historic places with the technique. Now, why I'm excited about this is that This week it's Russell Tark. Next week it's an actual anthrop archaeologist who has used remote viewing to find ancient sites, and that's doctor Stephen Schwartz, who will be my guest

next week. This is a whole This whole field is exciting, but it's limited because the universities do not accept this data even in the face of great evidence. It's an orthodox They can't verify it with our current scientific protocols, and so the scientific method does not come into play. And so when we have these tools that are being used, it has to be from researchers,

from scientists outside of the university setting. Now what does that mean. Well, when you have the university setting, you can get grants, you can get funding, you can get the money you need to verify what a remote viewer or a clairvoyant has discovered in collaboration with anthropologists and other sciences archaeology.

Now why should I even bother considering this? Well, when it comes to extremely old civilizations like the Maya, I, like the Sumerians, like the Egyptians, the people who are researching these places, who are funded to look at and do excavations of these places, are limited because of their education. This goes with anything, and I've talked about this a lot, be it a physician, be it an anthropologist, and archaeologists they can only go as

far as their education. It's the rare archaeologist who is able to pierce the veils of their limited education and think about the other possibilities. Let me give you a great example, and we've had him on the show. Doctor Greg Little worked with the Edgar Casey Foundation approximately fifteen to twenty years ago, and he talked about this. Took some remote viewing, and Edgar Casey, for all purposes, is a remote viewer, even though he's considered one of the

great psychics of our time. Took some data, some readings from Edgar Casey and the Edgar Casey Foundation and actually went to a number of locations. One of them was the Bemini Islands, another place was in Honduras, another place was in Guatemala, and was able to verify what Edgar Casey said about the

landscape, about the temples and what they might find there. Now, Greg is very careful not to reveal a great deal of what he did find, but we do know that from another archaeologist, and that has to be William Denado that there are pyramids, temples, and other buildings that are in and nearby the Bimini area a few hundred feet underwater. And if you don't know who William Denado is, we've had him on the show a couple of different

times and what he's brought back is pretty fascinating. Again, Donato and doctor Little have to use their own funds to do the research, and this is where we have a fall off. We have a break from the research because it's just it's expensive. It's hector to rent side scan sonars and even today, even though the price of using lightar has dropped significantly, it's still a

core of a million dollars to access the technology. And then with anything else, you have to find an interpreter who adjusts the scans and extracts the data. And in this case with light ar, the data are the ruined temples, pyramids, buildings, complexes and cities. So I'm excited because I've been wanting to have Stephen Schwartz on the program for a while. He is our guest next week and he's fascinating. But today we're going to hear the fundamentals

of using remote viewing, and I'm going to play real quickly. Here a recording that was done by Courtney Brown's team, and he is the president of the Farsight Institute. We've had Courtney on the program of couple of times. But here is an individual who is looking at the building of the Great Cheops Pyramid, the Great Pyramid at Giza, and gave two of his top viewers evidence or excuse me, targets. And when I say targets, these are

some cases. It could be the geographical coordinance, the latitude and longitude of a location. It can be evidence of buildings for descriptions of an area close to the pyramids. That helps the remote viewer target and actually see what's going on. But he asked these two individuals and the one we're going to hear from his dick Leeghry, who will describe for us a couple of different features in the building of the Great Pyramids. So let's how a quick listen.

Then the viewer notes that large numbers of subjects were associated with this target, and there is a sense of activity that is both scientific and shamanistic. Crystals are used in some manner. There is a tremendous display of energy that is witnessed by these many subjects. There is also the sense that the energy is connected to a grid or lay lines. Now, let's look at a video that was recorded live while Dick Algier was doing one of his sessions for this

target. Listen carefully to how he describes the mining activity that was used to obtain the largest rocks used to construct the Great Pyramid of Giza. Radiating lines of energy. Okay, so like all focused on a very precise point. So this is and it's not. It's like focused beams, but it's not in the visual. You wouldn't see it physically, but I can see it remote viewing it. I can sense the energy coming in and it's I don't get a is there a sound to it. It's a very high frequency.

It's harmonic. Energy converges, integers multiples of component frequency that rings like a bell tesla. Just intensely focused beams all converge and cause a reaction right here that radiates outward. I can't draw it right radiates outward. It's a compression. It's a it's a it comes in, converges, it becomes almost like

a black hole, and then radiates outward. And it's like when you watch a nuclear test from up above in uh Nevada Desert and they show you can see the land, and the land kind of it kind of burps, interrupts and bubbles up a second, and then it uh it collapses down into itself and then radiates out. So it's this energy comes it reacts, it comes up, and then it collapses down and then it initiates a reaction and it

it keeps radiating out. So here's the initial reaction after the these beams of energy that are not visible, but there's frequent waves, not sound waves. There's something very compact and compress. It happens and it affects the land. And then I just keep coming back to the Nevada test site where the land you can just see that instant of detonation underground something and it's not a I

don't think it's a nuclear detonation is way cleaner than that and different. It just the land reacts comes up ever so slightly buckles caves in like a like a fast acting sinkhole. So the land kind of sinks and deflates, and as it deflates, it sets off other reactions where the land, the rock cracks and I think there's secondary fissures and this happens, and this is just all within a very brief time span and break this down. I'm going to

place this video, which is over an hour. Obviously we can't play the whole piece here on my program, but I'm going to place the YouTube video on Earth Ancients Facebook and that's the group and the international page, which will automatically populate to the Earth Ancients dot com page, and you go to Facebook feed, you'll see it. But you can actually hear the descriptions of how the Great Pyramid was built, what the manpower was, and what the technology

was at the time. Now, it sure looks like there were some sound vibration technology in play when you hear these researchers looking that far back, So that's kind of cool. It kind of gives you a sense that, wow, this is something to consider. Now, how do we validate remote viewing? Well, first of all, we need the funding to find and go to the location. Number two would be target the location through excavation. Excavate the area, remove the sand, remove the dirt, remove the foliage.

If there's budget, do a scan, do a light oar scan to extract specifically where the details are now. Remember, lightar is so good that it is literally saving archaeologists serious money obviously, if they can target the specific location and years of plodding through and digging the area the guests area up and hoping to find the details. So the program today is an introduction an understanding of remote viewing with Russell Tar and the program's called Remote Viewing, Past, Present

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love the food. So the Curious human condition has a number of amazing faculties and one of them is clairvoyance and other sensitivities that we consider psychic abilities. And we've had a number of people on the program talking about the great psychics like Edgar Casey and other individuals who have used their psychic abilities to delve into the ancient past. We've had other individuals that have discussed the term remote viewing.

One of them was Courtney Brown, and today we have and I'm really happy to have him with us. We have the founder and the one of the top individuals who designated and actually used this technique with a program called Stargate at SRI back in the and the and the eighties. He worked with the CIA to develop this. And this is Russell targ Is my guest today. The book we are discussing is Third Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters. And I just finished this book, which was very, very well put

together. And one of the beauties of the of the design and the content of the book is that russ presents some of the top people that worked with this organization star Gate eight in Palo Alto, California. And I'm really really honored to have him with us today. And that's rust start. Let me tell you a little bit about him. He is a physicist. He was a pioneer in developing the laser and laser applications. He has two awards from

NASA Inventions and Contributions and lasers. He is the co founder of the CIA sponsored SRI, which stands for Stanford Research Institute Investigation into Psychic Awares, which was basically remote viewing. And he actually and I didn't know this, and he published a lot of his work in Nature, which is a fascinating scientific

research paper. He's co authored eight books dealing with scientific investigations and psychic abilities, including a book called Limitless Mind and his autobiography called do You See What I See? Which is fantastic. So hey, Russ Russell Tark, great to have you on earth. Ancients, happy to be with you. I call. I published a book called do you See what I See? Because my vision is very poor and in general people don't see what I see.

But my publisher was interested that by vision guests to be legally blind. So when the old days, you guests had a income tax deduction on the kind of blindness. But Reagan got rid of that to prevent all the blind income tax cheaters from getting a deduction on how to blindness. So that was the end of that. But I read, well, yeah, I can't see into the distance very well. Yeah, you're right about your your eyesight and your book. As a young person, since you were a kid, you've

had a vision issues. I'm fascinated by this work that you did, Russ. You present early in the book a number of noted people who apparently understood clairvoyance and second ability, and you present people like Blavatsky, Helene Blavatsky, and I'm sure you're aware of Edgar Casey, But did you have an interest in clairvoyance before you started this organization. I was a part of the Theosophical organization in New York, so I knew all about Helena Blavatsky and her team.

And what interested me is the scientists, is that in the eighteen nineties Blavatsky asked one of her any bessents. So but I did. I did pull out an absent who is a prodigious psychic. And Levatsky said, I'd like you to look at a block a paraffin and see if you can see what they what adams are available for you to see. And she gave a very good description of what is now known as a quirk. He said,

they are triang they're triangular things. They're pairents of triangular things, but make up what we call a proton, and the triangular things they are held together by bands of energy, which is what we call today gluons. And she drew those triangle things held together, and it now greatly resembles would be called quirks and gluons. So my book, my book, I show what she drew in eighteen ninety five and compare that with the contemporary drawing of what a

profoun looks like. And she drew all that about fifty years before that was known. So the question I have is that there is you have an understanding obviously that each of us possess this psychic ability to look at unseen items, people places without being there, but also the ability with training to look in the past and look into the future. Talk a little bit about that,

well, remote viewing is what we would do. I've been teaching people remote viewing now for fifty years and basically the government was interested in it because that, sir, we were able to help people look into the distance and look into the future. So when we were working for the CIA, we were able to describe Soviet set I instead of blocking has some pictures behind me of ah, there we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have those in the book and I'll definitely post them for the listeners to check out.

All right, So I don't need to play with that now, Yeah, I don't have to worry about it. The picture right behind me with not for the CIA. This is where they remote viewing. Where we were doing a series of tests where by partner helped put off went on vacation after a long period of working. We went to South America, was given a vacation holiday there and each day the great psychic path Price was supposed to describe where he is and what are he doing. So we're going to do five of

those. In the first one he Price described a market and then they described a volcano, that they described a church, that they described something else, and the next day didn't show up. So I'm in my little electrically shielded room with Pat Price. So they's talking to the tape recorder. There's a remote viuit with rust target Pat Price. There's a fifth of the series, but it doesn't But it looks like Price is not going to show up.

What had happened? His Price had done such a good job at describing the crane which I show right next to the airport behind me. Yeah, and that was a saw the weapons factory in Siberia, and the CIA decided that Price was too valuable to be hanging out with the hippies in California, so they made him a demand offer to come to Washington to work with them, and he was ready to leave. And on day five of our trial for long distance into South America, Price was packing up ready to go to Washington

and left me in my shielded room by myself. So I said, well, it's the longest, it's an important experiment. We don't want to I'll try and do it myself. So I closed my eyes and I said, I see what it looks like an airport. There's a grass and sand on the right, and the airport building on the left, and the ocean at the end of the runaway. And that's what I drew. I was just

sitting by myself and shoulder room. And you might be able to see on your screen depending what you've got a picture of an airport on an island, right about that. So, Russ, talk a little bit about your research. You wouldn't say, so I made this drawing. Yeah, and the drawing that I made with a good a match to a distant target as anything

we had had in the series. Yeah. The reason that I'm showing this is not to puff up my psychic abilities, but on the contrary, to show that remote viewing it is so easy that even a scientists can do us. Yeah. This is something that's very important for our listeners to understand, is that remote viewing isn't the a technique that only special people can use. With proper training, everybody can can become psychic and use remote viewing as a

tool. Is that what you're suggesting, and they can look into the distance and look and look into the future. I'm very interested right now in how you can trade yourself to look into the future. Because one of the things

they did shortly after leaving the program I did. I wanted to do something that we had been in the New York Times and we published in Nature and proceeding the Electrical Engineering Society, and I had the idea that if we could forecast the stock market, that would get us back into the newspapers, which you did. Yeah. So I set up a program. We're going to do nine trials. So each Friday, notice psychic. Keith Harare and I would sit at my coffee table at my house in Palo and I would ask

Harari, tell me what you're experiencing. I'm gonna put something in your hand. Here we are on Monday, on Friday, when the market closes, I'm gonna put something in your hand. I don't know what it might be. I don't know anything about this target pool, but I will put something in your hand, and I want you to tell me now what's you're experiencing. Don't tell me what it is, Just tell me what you're experiencing.

What do you feel? For example, he might say, well, I see something round, is kind of floppy and as an odd smell, I don't really like. This object is round and floppy with the bad smells. What I get? I said, Well, that's as terrific description, Keith, because I know that there are very few things that got match that this world, so so that that they description of a weird object. So I says, Tripan, I'll see you Friday, and I'll give you this object.

Remember what I'm got up put in your hand. So then call the broker and Marin fifty miles north of here and I and I asked him, okay, you've got your four objects with mean up, a little up, a lot, down, a little down a lot. Can you the object I have? Or tell me what you've got? He says, well, I got a lab here, and I've got a cup of coffee, and I got a flower pot, and I got my leftover pancake from breakfast. It sounds to me like Keith's describing your leftover pancake. What does that made?

He said, Well, that's the down a lat object. And he gave a very good description of the down a lat object. So I think we should sell silver. So because Ferrari saw a smelly pancake on Monday, we're gonna put thirty five thousand dollars in the market short selling silver, even though the brothers are buying buying silver. So by Friday the market had gone down and we made quite a lot of money on that one trade. What year was it, That was nineteen eighty two. We did nine trials on

nine were correct by Harari. The broker didn't like two of them because he was Harari was viciously selling silver into a rising market. He said, you know, we have an investor here who's given us a lot of money, and I'm his broker, and he's gonna think I've gone crazy if I continue selling lots of silver into into a rising market. So he passed on two times, two out of the eight, two out of nine. So he traded not He traded seven of them, and we made a quarter million dollars

wow, trading into the silver market. H We had all Harari had all of them correct. We did not trade too because broker didn't want to be caught embarrassed selling silver to a rising Marcus. So he passed on two of them. But as far as the statistics go, we were nine out of nine. Wow, that's pretty amazing. But one of them it's like one in one hundred thousand. And we made in cash money quarter million dollars to share with our organizations. Is called delphia sosis. Share that with the broker

who gave us the money. So everybody chipped in or did someone donate the money? Uh? Win, an investor who gave us quite a bit of money, and I'm not sure how much she gave it because he gave it to the broker. But the deal was we could keep whatever we could won and we and he would observe the losses. Okay, so what happened. We made a quarter million dollars, of which jelf I got to keep one hundred and fifty thousand. Gotcha. Let's talk about the beginning that made it

to the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Yeah, you mentioned that. Let's talk a little bit about the forming of the organization at SRIRU. When did you meet Ingo swan Well. Ingo was a well known psychic and visionary artists in New York. He had how Partov had written to a couple of people in New York about wishing to set up a society, a research group in California, and Ingo had heard about that, and how invited Ingo

to come and do some experiments with him. So when I came on the scene in June of nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy two is when I came out of the scene, Hal and Ingo were already there. There's no program going on. Howl was hired a laser physicist. He was doing esp e clemence with Ingo and were able to convince Ingo to try and fat a super

conducting system in liquid helium at Stanford University. They not only was able to describe what was there, he was able to stop something that was oscillating the part of a massive experiment, And everybody was extremely upset about that because this thing was famous, because it was imperturbable. Was sitting with little super conducting sphere hanging out in a vial of liquid liquid helium, and it has its own natural period of oscillation, driven presumably by the noise in the room.

And Ingo was able to stop that, so that everyone was very shocked and not amused, Wow, so you, you and Ingo Swan must have published your psychic research and this is what got the ear of the CIA. I guess, huh. Now Ingo didn't. Ingo wasn't interested in publishing things. In the beginning. I went around looking for money and in a great coincidence,

So I'll try and shorten down to you. I was I was invited to give a talk on Soviet and American research, and I was standing in for Mike Murphy, who was sick, so I was giving a talk for

somebody who wasn't there. And one of the people who did come was named Art Race, who was the administrator for New Projects at NASA, and he was having a conference on speculative technology, the same as as since Simon's Island off the coast of Georgia, and he asked me if I would like to come and give the same talk as a physicist to a group of people at a conference on speculative technology. And I said, I'll come if you send me a ticket, because I'm already thinking you But had I had built a

very powerful laser. I built a thousand and what laser today was powerful laser in the world at that time nineteen seventy two, and I thought this would be a good time to bail out of lasers and start something with ESP interesting.

So I was happy to go to the conference, and I brought with me a ESP game ISP teaching machine to offer feedback and reinforcement as people try to guess Wisher for I would become illuminated, and I brought that with me and at the conference, among the people I met, there's Werner Ron Brown, who was very interested in this ESP game. We realized if you could help astronauts get psychic, you might have avoid an accident such as they almost

had with Apollo thirteen the year previous. Didn't crash, It almost crashed, but Von Brown was standing there for a day to watch the guys put it back together with Scotch take literally and they were able to save the spacecraft. Excellent excellent movie made about Polo thirteen and what the guys had to do to avoid crashing. Brown was very sensitive to the ethan. When I used to be psychic STLF with my grandmother, who was very so if we could teach

these guys to be psychic, I would support that. I said, well, I want to do a program with this ESP teaching machine that Brown Brown did very very successfully, ringing the bell again and again. So he took me to the administrator of NASA, top guy Jim Flesher, and said, russ has built laters for us in the past, and now he wants to use his esp tching machine to help astronauts become psychic, and I think we should do that. All he wants is eighty thousand dollars. Eighty thousand.

Yeah, that was peanuts in the NASA's business, but that's a lot of money in seventy two, yeah, thevery nineteen seventies. Who Okay, there was a moderate amount of money to start a program, a tiny amount of money for NASA. So Fletcher said, okay, if Russell can find a place to do that work, we can give him the money. And it just happened that as we were talking, edgar Mitchell walked by. Well,

the astronaut. The astronaut. Yeah, he said, well, I'm just starting a program with SRI and I think that I could arrange a meeting with Charlie Anderson, the president, if you would come by and support the idea that you're going to help him do a program. I think we could do it. So a week later we had a meeting with hell put Offers already there, Shirlie Anderson and the president of SRI, and Edgar Mitchell and Charlie

what we call the trade piling on. So we all got together with Shirlie Anderson, the President of SRI, and he did, well, if you keep a low profile, you can do this program. Here, we can start a little program. So that's the So it was the coincidence of my running into Edgar Mitchell and Worder von Brown that allowed us to do this program. So what was NASA's criteria. If they're going to give you the money,

they must have wanted something back. Well, they wanted me to do a program where I showed significant learning among people with one hundred and fifty people. And this ESP game which you can now download that from. Oh I saw it in the book. It's an Apple It's an Apple application. Yeah, I saw it in the book. Download ESP Trainer and the fourth choice game Random, the game if you can do much better than random for many

many trials. Then the shows that you made some kind of repport with the ESP game and those that were claiming that you can learn to learn to look in the future with feedback and reinforcements. Interesting. Now, in the book I published that It's a real real It's the real thing. Yeah, you have it. Now. In the book you outline a number of exceptional remote viewers, and one of the top ones is Pat Price, who was a former police commissioner from Burbank. How did he How did he show up at

at SRI? How did you connect with him? I don't know the answer to that. We started out with Ingo Swan, who found Hell through a letter that Hal had written to another psychic in New York whose name I can't remember, but but I the guy who was psychically interacting with plants. You might even know that, oh right, well known ESP researcher who is using its psychic ability to interact with plants. So Ingo to this guy, and

so does Hell. And that's how Ingo got to touch with Hell. Now, so we were doing this long distance remote viewing stuff with Ingo, and somehow path Price learned what we were doing. Now, deep down in the records of this program, you'll find out that Hell was a high level scientologist, and so is so is Ingo, and so is path Price. So no one, no one ever explained this all to me. But I have to assume that seeing the Scientology organization, people learned to do remote you.

We didn't invent remote youing. Yeah, and the picture on the wall behind me. They boot his name Podma Zimbaba, who brought Bood to them to Tibet, and he wrote a book called Self Liberation through Seeing with Naked Awareness, and he said, all of us have timeless awareness, that timeless awareness in our nature. If you quiet your mind, you can discover that your awareness moves into space, moves into the future. And you can do all

that if you if you don't guess and don't name things. So in the year eight hundred, Podma Zimbaba knew all about remote viewing and wrote and wrote a book. I tipped over my lamp. We're in the dark anyway. So here's his book. This has written eight hundred years ago. Self liberation,

Self liberation through seating with Naked Awareness. Okay, fascinating. So this is not this is not new age, right, So talk a little bit about how My reasons to bring that up is that l Ron Hubbard, who ran Scientology, will also will also a student of psychic abilities, which were spelled out in detail by Paba Simbaba and in the Buddhist lore, what was the taught and the project of parameter, which is the writing of the Buddha. One of the things that the repeat again and again is there is no

separation for in consciousness. M So, so this is not new age, right, So the question of us as your question, Yeah, I believe that Pat Price learned from somebody in the Scientology organization like Ingo or some other person that we were doing this work. Because it was already a secret program, so this wasn't on the streets, it wasn't published anywhere. So Ingo said, I heard you're doing these experiments and disinviewing. I've been doing that

all my life as a police commissioner. I would sit at my desk and see where they frightened person was in burd Bank and we was sending a squad car out to get him. So Pat Price was using it in his work. Yes, you used it in his work all of his life. Okay, we're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with Russell targ discussing his new book Third Ice Spies. You're right back, you way me a way me down, John

can measures up to you medicine and I yours. I guess today is Russell targ co founder of the SRI program known as Stargate, which eventually became the Remote Viewing program for the CIA, and we are talking about his new book Third Eye Spies Learn Remote Viewing from the Masters. Talk about the Patricia First

case and how the Berkeley Police came about to contact you. Well, let's see, Petrosia Hurts were kidnapped in the same year that we started, in nineteen seventy two, seventy four, seventy four, so we had been Yeah, I was trying to think that out because seventy two we would not have had publicity. By seventy four we had already published our paper in Nature.

And you might know your listeners might know they're publishing anything in Nature very difficult does a very hard prestigious science magazine in the world, Very hard to get anything in Nature. Let me stop you for a minute, rest what was the If you can remember, what was the title of the paper in Nature? Was it regarding ESP or did you actually use the term remote viewing? We didn't use either those I'm sure I could. You can find that out. I'll look it up. Look, look it up. I'm sure it

was something about remote sensing. Remote sensing, okay, is my guests. So the district attorney and Berkeley knew about that somehow was no longer by seventy four, was no longer a secret. Okay, it was probably still classified because by that time we were working to the CIA. So it's a little little mystery how he knew well enough to call us to call he called the department head at SRI. So it's not obvious how he knew that. But it wasn't the secret, okay. So he said, Patricia Hurst has been

kidnapped. Do you think you guys can help find us? Oh? I know what it. By seventy four we had published our paper, so he so he knew for a fact. He lived in Berkeley, and probably some hippie and Berkeley knew about knew about his published paper. So he said, can you help us? So Hal put off and Pat Price and I piled

in a health car and went to the police station in Berkeley. Police and we walked in and police chief said, always I quession, if we want to ask you, mister Price, And Price said, why don't we just show you how it's done. Can you give me your mug book, which is the big loosey finder that every police station had of all the usual suspects. So he laid this big loosely finder on a big oak table and we

all flustered around. Pat Price and the detective and Hew and Price started turning pages of this book picture book, page after page and finally put his finger on one guy and said that guy's the ring leader. And he just put his finger on Donald DeVries, who in fact was the ring leader. Wow, And no one knew that at the time. But Price said, I suppose you want me to tell you where the cars go on also, and he said that. Detective said, well, that would be very nice if

you do that. He said, well, they've gone that way, that north. He said yeah, and he said, well he's across the street from a diner. Here's some big guest storage tanks north And the detective said, well, I know where that is. I live in that direction. And they dispatched a cruiser to drive north on Highway one oh one looking for

a diner. Across from some storage tanks. They found a station wagon and there were still cartridges rolling around on the floor, so then they knew that Price had not only fingered the kidnapper, but directed the police to the car, and we got a citation from the police department for our contribution. Now, we did not help find Patricia Hurst because the Berkeley Police Department and the FBI and the other police organization who should have been helping us, the FBI,

Berkeley Police and anyway, nobody was helping us. Everybody wanted to be secret, right words, the word wouldn't get out, so that so they would. Hurst escaped to New York and was living on a farm for a year before she foolishly came back to Berkeley, where she was immediately fingered. So then she went to she was convicted and went to jail. Did the Patricia Hurst case help you get more funding or did it do anything for the

organization? That probably helped us get funding, but we already had pretty good funding from CIA and the Air Force and the d i A Defense Intelligence agents, So you were getting money from the government at the Oh yeah, oh, I didn't know that. Okay, I want you to talk a little bit, Russ about another very psychic remote viewer, Hella hammered Uh, who was asked by the CIA to find a submarine. I want to talk about that a little confusing now. It was our first strong army guy who found

the submarine, whom I know very well. I can't remember his name right now, sorry to say. Okay. A friend for the army, Joe, Joe mcmonagle, was asked what was going on as this big building in Virginia, and he said, well, it looks like they're building a submarine. It's very interesting. The submarine is bigger than anything I've ever seen, as the army officer. It looks like as two submarines wielded together side by side. So this is a huge thing floating in the water, and nobody

in the US government knew anything about it. But a week later they Russia's launched this double hauled submarine, which indeed was twice as big as anything else that anybody ever saw, and Joe was able to identify that without any help at all. They just said here the coordinates of the big barn like building in West Virginia. Now within Virginia with all the coasts, I think that the Navy base on the coast in Virginia, and he just given the cord

this that's not the right story. He was given the accordinates of a Russian base in northern Russia. He was saying he was stationed in the navy base in America. The Russian submarine was not found in America, was found in Soviet Russia in the north. But that's where Joe. So that they had directed Joe to a big storage building in northern Russia a quarter mile from the

ocean. But they had secretly dear dug a trench from the big building to the water and they were able to drag the submarine out into the Northern Pacific. Fascinating talk a little bit about how Lot and her her ability. One of the things that I'm fascinated in is using psychic awareness for archaeological digs. And you mentioned Evin Schwartz had done a lot of archaeology. Yeah, we got Hella. Hella has been a long time friend of me and my family.

To the photographer, we have lots of children's pictures. The Hella talk and Kick Green, who is a senior scientists and physician with with the with the CIA, and he said, you know Pat Price and Ingo Swan or lifetime second psychics. But if we do this with the CIA, we want to know whether the ordinary person is going to do. You know somebody who has never been involved in psychic things who would work with us? And I said, well, I'm a friend, hell I haven't who's a woman for

all seasons, travel all of the world, highly intelligent. It's always up for a new adventure. I'll ask her if she would do remote view with it, said Sri Okay. Hella thought that that would be very amusing. She loved the idea of being paid by the CIA to be a psychic, which she had never done anything like that. But I told her our experience

is that remote doing is the natural ability. Anybody can do it. Come up to Palo Alto, can hang out with me and my wife and Pat and Pat Price the other psychics, and we're sure how to do it. So she said, okay, I'll come and stay with you for a week or two. And we my routine at that time that we just take the psychic into a quiet room in the top of the radio physics building. And my story is Pal has been sent someplace in the Bay Area. I have

no idea where he is. I don't know what the target pool is, but he's within a half a mile drive of here, someplace and Palo out of a good is a good place to hide because there's swimming pools and bowling alleys and boat docks, all kinds that were near the water, the bridges, all kinds of crazy places where you can hide. So it's a very

good place to do remote view experiments. So we so we sat down in my little road viewing room and hello, la Hella had made special socks with eyeballs crocheted out of the socks, and said, Okay, how has gone to some interesting place within a half hour drive out here? I have no idea where it could be. He quiet your mind and just tell me what's surprising? Elements, what's surprising events or objects show up in your awareness?

So how has gone to some interesting place? Could be any outdoor life in the Bay area. And she said, well, I see traffic flowing and I said that's good. Why don't you take a break? You see anything interesting? And she said, well, there's like squares within squares within squares like a trough, and I think, could you draw that? And she did it, drew it. She made a drawing of that. She's now a famous remote viewing picture of squares within squares, within squares, they greatly

resemble the pedestrian overpass, which is a why why are fence made? Him made have squares and squares and squares like fifty feet over the Bay Shore Freeway. And she she drew that excellently. We have photographs, We have photographs of the pedestrian overpass where you would enter it and you enter as ahead of heavy screen screening over it, so nobody would climb out or fall into the highway with a hurricane fence what do they call it? Cyclone fence cyclone there

you go, cyclone fence yea all the way around. And she drew that that was like a perfect matter where he was hiding. And we did nine trials with her as we did for with Pat Price, and hell of the overall match for her nine to Hargus were more significant than even Price had done. So she was very sensitive. Yes, she's very sensitive, very intelligent

and artistics. She's a professional photographer. And the drawings that Price made, they were compared his drawings were compared with the actual target while the perceptual psychologists and they had first place match seven out of the nine, which is to say, if Price had been kidnapped nine times in a row. We would have found them the first place we looked, first play, we'd have found

them the first seven places we looked. Wow, that's amazing. Can you talk a little bit about the reference that you present in the book where Hella was asked to look, I guess it's Alexandria, Egypt. And she located a column and a cistern, and this was I guess she was doing this for not necessarily Schwartz, but he was working with Stephen Schwartz. Okay, he's an archaeologist. He's an archaeologist also very interested in psychic abilities. Right,

so did she. So she found she found some some ruins or something. She found some ruins in Alexandria, and she found the cistern underground with water still flowing, and the whole thing had been shut down. They had to break into it. Let her end and her drawing of the cistern and the I'm trying to do justice. She drew an underground kirby cistern with ricks

lining the whole thing and water flowing the bottom. And she drew that whole thing and they had a break in the wall together get to where she wanted to be and her drawing remarkably accurately resemble the Cistern wow Us book called Psychic Archaeology. Yeah, he's our guest in a couple of weeks, and so I looking forward to having him. Schwartz. You and Schwartz work together, did Schwartz? We're good friends, but we have not worked together. So

he didn't do any training. Then what Schwartz did is Schwartz invented the idea of associated remote viewing. Schwartz of the idea that to forecast changes in the stock market, you can't get the guy to read numbers on the big board, and the sock exchange plikis are not able to read. But he said you could make an association like using some of four flags, and then they use the navy. He said, you have some four four flags, you put one flag up, turn leapt, two flags up mean turn right,

so forth. You can't shout left or right a mile away between cruisers, but you can hold up one flag or two flag or three flags. He said you could do that with remote viewing. You just if you have four targets, like for silver up a lot down, a lat up, a little down, a little you're gonna have four flags like that. And in my case, the broker had the shoes four objects, which should be whatever he had in his office, could be like a cup of coffee, a

flower pot, his left over breakfast, the light bulb. He shoes whatever he wants to choose, and he makes the assignments. The light bulb means up a little, the flower pop means down a little. And this in might the case they're making up. He said, the leftover pancake met down a lot, and Hurrah said, I see a leftover pancake. Right. You mentioned that the book we're talking about Today's Third Eye Spies. My guest is Russell targ Russell. You talk about Price being worried about his life.

He was threatned, he felt like he was in danger. He died mysteriously, didn't he? I would say, so, where was he when did? I thought he was an old man, But actually he was in the sixties. He might have been sixty seven when he died. Okay, no, I'm almost nineties, so he wasn't so old after all. The Russian I mean, he was working for the CIA almost exclusively. Right, that's right, So that can be a problem. Well, the problem was that

he was a scientologist, and he moved. They moved him to Virginia at a farmhouse and it was like a farmer. Price in his overalls and he was working on plus y targets with ken Kress, who the we had two contract monitors, Kick Green with a physician, ken Krest with a physicist. Chris was working with ken Kress and he was doing classified targets looking overseas,

the classified targets belonging to other countries. So the secret or top secret, top seeker would mean that it's operational, which I doubt, but I know that it was at least secret, and that was okay. But Price was meeting every day or communicating every day with his auditor of the Scientology Organization. An auditor is like in the Catholic Church. Yeah, you have somebody as trusting person in the church who you will confess to. So an auditor in

the Psientology organization like a confessor. And what he was confessing to the secret targets that were looking after the CIA and eventually the CIA, or I think it was the part of the government that does income tax whore that the irs irs broke into the Celebrity Center and there in Hollywood and found a filing cabinet and it was full of documents from path Price describing his work with ken Kress, and that was delivered to Crest and Chris was totally shocked because he had

been working with Price for years as though Price was a trusted member of the CIA blood brother and he discovered that it had been betrayed. So his problem is what to do because what he discovered is that superman with a double agent, that is Price. So Price, Price was Price died mysteriously. Yeah, I'm curious about one thing though, russ Where are the Soviet Where the

Russians working with the remote viewing program before you established the SRI program? Or did they come around after we published this in a big journal journal the Americans. No, we published this in the I Tripoli Institute of Electrical Engineers journal,

big paper, and that got translated into Russian very quickly. And I was in Russia in nineteen well, let's say nineteen seventy four, nineteen seventy five, I was a guest, and so will be the Academy of Sciences, and I knew even at that time that they had already translated this into Russia. As they were doing remote viewing. So they picked up on that

paper in Nature and perhaps some other papers that you had. That's right written in because because when we made our film, we had documents from the DA that showed Hell put Off and rust Tart as researchers in this so he so they already knew who we were, what we were doing, and they do

about Pat Price, so they could be any suspicious. I knew that I knew that kenn Crests were early early on Pat Price read some documents hidden in the vault of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and I knew that the CIA was very worried that if you got a guy on the loose like Pat Price who could read documents, then there's no way to hide anything there. Ken Press, who they top secret long time CIA person, would cover up his desk

neatly put everything away. But he knew in his heart that somebody targeted Pat Price on his desk. They could read that, and then it learned that Pat Price was passing this on to the scientology made it feel that they had Superman working for him, but Superman with the double agents, and you had him working for you, but putting him in jail. Wouldn't do wouldn't solve the problem. Yeah, you still have him in jail, and he would

just fly out between the bars. Right as we close, Russ, I'd like your opinion on the rumors that different aspects of the government, also private institutes are using remote viewing to look into UFOs or now they're called UAPs unidentified aerial phenomenon. What can you talk tell us about that? Well, I know a tiny bit about that. I know that ken Kress was interested in UFOs and they asked Pat Price to describe are there any basis in America?

And Price described a UFO base in a mountain in Alaska, and one in Mexico, and one in the purities, one in Australia. And the CIA thought that the one that he described in Alaska and in Australia were probably a place where they already were aware that there was UFO activity. Okay, and so we were not. Our program did not have any targeting associated with UFOs. So the CIA didn't ask you to pin down information on UFOs or what

planet they had come from. We did not, Yeah, what final We were basically a scientific organization, and consequently they would not give us a target which we couldn't verify at the end. I mean if they said Pat Price said okay, I see the the UFOs are coming and from our tourists. We was interesting, but nobody knows as that's correct or not right. Real quickly, you mentioned Stephen Schwartz. He's going to be on the program in

a couple of weeks and he's an archaeologist. Have did you ever get any requests by any professional individuals or universities or institutes on lost archaeological ruins, artifacts, buildings, whatever. We didn't. We didn't do that. But Schwartz was Schwartz with the Mobius Society and he was already doing that. We were not doing lost buildings, We were not doing archaeological thing. We were finding a CIA agents who had We were finding looking for ciagents who had been kidnapped,

and we tried to find out where they were. That was successful. We were asked to describe a picture and a guy in an envelope and it turned out that he was Ambassador Queen, the American Ambassador Iran who was kidnapped

by the so called students and Iran and Keith Harari. They were described what a situation was that he was in the dark, and he was very, very sick, and he felt Harari felt that because of his sickness, he was probably going to be released, that Iranian didn't want him to die in captivity because the American ambassador, and in fact, two days later he was

released, allowed to go to Germany and get treatment. Okay, So we had and we had Joe mcmonagor was able to find a kidnapped American journal general who had been kidnapped by the Red Brigade in Italy and had been taken to Padua in Italy and found they found him. So we had acted all things like that to do. Okay, amazing. Hey, as we conclude, you have a chapter on learning remote viewing. Would you say that's a good primmer for people who want to learn how to do the techniques. Yeah.

And in this book I talk about how you can find a partner to work with, where your partner will bring you little objects. Yeah. I don't tell you how to find a find a partner. You'll find a partner by yourself. But if you're able to find a friend, you get that friend to bring you, say, three shopping bags. Each one will have an object at and when they come to your house. Your friend will not know which shopping bag has which object because you don't want to teach yourself how to

read the mind of your friend. You if the guy says, Okay, here's the shopping bag, I want you to tell me, what do you experience when I when you reach into this. We don't want a friend to know the answer, because if a friend knows the answer, you can just experience what he's thinking about. And this is not we don't want to do. It's the lampathy cast. We want the person to really look into the bag as he was there. Right. So those of you listening the books

called third Eye Spies learn remote viewing from the masters. And my guest today has been Russell targ Do you have a website, Russ on your website is espresearch dot com. Espresearch dot com. This book just came out in May, so people can get it on Amazon. Yeah, that's an inexpensive book available anywhere. Okay, Hey, it's been a real pleasure of Russ. Thank you for your time, and I really appreciate the history of a remote viewing. Thank you very much for the opportunity. I hope you enjoy the

book. That was a fascinating look at the whole phenomenon of remote viewing and great to talk to Russell and wow, what a lot he's gone through and to work with the CIA must have been fascinating. It's interesting to note if Pat Price actually was terminated by the CIA or the Russians or whatever. I guess. Remember, he was one of the top one of the first remote viewers to work with Stargate, the Stargate program, and we'll never know.

We'll never know if he was assassinated or if he died of natural causes. When you read this book Third Eye Spies, his accuracy was phenomenal and it really makes you think really closely if this is a natural Well, according to Russell, this is a natural ability that we all have. We all have the ability to remote view objects. And he has an entire chapter in this

book on understanding and learning remote viewing. You need someone to help you develop the technique because obviously somebody has to place an object in a bag or a location and then be the one who is setting up the target and the target's key to developing a sense of I mean, developing the whole process. So fascinating this book came out in May Third Eye Spies and you can get it

on Amazon now. It just came out. In fact, Russell's publicist reminded me this the other day, so it's also available on audible and I actually had a chance to listen to it. It's very, very good. It's not a huge book. The audible totals about three hours, so you can

get the whole shebang and all the details. The only thing about audible is that it does not have the graphs that the book has, and I am going to be posting a number of the graphs that he features in the book, including this submarine that was discovered and a number of other objects that were uncovered during Russell's work at the SRI. So fascinating topic. Now, obviously

this is something to consider when we're looking for archaeological ruins. And our guest next week is doctor Stephen Schwartz, who spent a considerable about a time in research for evidence for artifacts for ruins in other countries, and I'm curious to speak with him on just how this was used. Why we're not using remote viewing more ray regularly. I mean, the obvious answer to that would be that there are opposition, great resistance to this kind of an occult science.

But you have to wonder why not, especially when it comes to finding evidence of ruined cities and things like that. Lightar is taking us so far in advance that I don't think archaeology is able to catch up with it when we as I mentioned in the very beginning of the show, when we have lightar scanning jungle areas and coming back with thousands and thousands of unknown ruins, then there's a catch up period. And I don't really believe that archaeology can is

able to do or able to catch up given the resources it has. It's like anything else. You need boots on the ground, you need able bodied people to go out and find these areas. We do know that in the Guatemala when we had doctor Richard Hansen on the program. Remember Richard is the director of the El Meador project in Guatemala and he's excavating El Miador. He mentioned that it's going to take two hundred years to get people down and to

start excavating that. I mean, the resources are so thin and and this is a huge problem. You know, unless we unless you get big institutions like National Geographic the Smithsonian or the government to to sponsor these digs, these excavations. Then it goes, you know, it's it's left for someone else's it's left for some technology CEO like an Edward, like an Elon Musk or one of the Google founders, or somebody who's got deep, deep pockets who

can really jump into this. And I would love to see a really good group pulled together by a tech entrepreneur who's got really deep pockets, has tens of millions of dollars and you can spare a few million to put a program together and to go to Egypt. You know, it's funny because when we reported that the two Italian scientists had come back with a new type of acoustic scan and scan the Cheap's Pyramid and found all those new rooms and tunnels and

passageways, they didn't even talk to the archaeological community or the Egypt Egypt Antiquities Department because they would have huge resistance. This is the kind of thing that we I mean, we need to step over this long tooth, this dry, this outdated, antiquated way of going about receiving data. You know, if somebody were to use the same system on let's say Ushmal or Chichi Nitsa,

the main pyramids there, or scanned to call. We would find out probably that the pyramidal structures at a certain location would come back with some very similar internal design. And I'm waiting for this to happen, you know, at the at the current rate, it won't be for many, many years. Someone's gonna have to do that. Someone's gonna have to point one of these high sophisticated, high level satellites at some of these Mayan pyramids or even

the Camere pyramids in Cambodia and see how they're constructed. I would bet you that they are quite intricate. I say this because I am currently writing about the opportunity that we had with doctor Sergio Gomez at the Quitoquadal Pyramid when we had a chance to go into the pyramid, and subsequent photos that I found and also Ed Barnhart delivered to me, revealed that there are a number of surface and internal canals that are feeding water into this tunnel and no one's talking

about it. Now Ed, and I mentioned this before, now Ed came back to me and said, well, this is just how they designed them. Because the water means the underworld, and it's kind of a symbolic contribution to any pyramid design. But you know, if I want to talk to Chris Dunn about this, I want to talk to about other engineers about this. I think the water was fed into these pyramids took to deliver another element in a combustion scenario, so water, and then we see mercury, and

then we see strange gases delivered to the tunnel. And when we were in the tunnel, if you look at this at the ceiling, it was black like there was some form of combustion going on. The twan Opkins who are attributed as the builders of Tunako Tunakin, we're not the original builders. They found it in the state it is. And there's so many reasons why I can't bring it up right now. So anyhow, technology, this kind of

technology remote viewing is very very powerful. Why we're not using it more regularly is anyone's guest. I'm beginning to think that it's probably being used by NSA, CIA and other intelligence organizations as they see fit. In fact, there's a great deal of rumor that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have been imaging and scanning the Moon and scanning other planets and scanning UFOs UAPs for the occupancy, the occupants, where they're coming from, their intent, so forth and

so on, and getting some pretty good detail. We will never ever hear about this. We will never ever get data or have anything reported to us for the next many many decades because it has to be declassified before us for us to get it. So fascinating topic. Stay tuned for more with Stephen

Schwartz doctor Schwartz next week. He is an archaeologist. I am looking forward to talking to him about what he's been used using remote viewing for why it's not used more broadly and because you know, you get you get your team together, your remote view an area, a suspicious area, that's the foundation. Then you use a scanning technology like lighter you pinpoint it, and then you get bodies down there, and then you got it. So why are

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it. All right, that's it for today's program. I want to think my guest today Russell Targ. Remember his new book Third Eye Spies has just come out. You can get it on Amazon or wherever you get your favorite books if you if you're like me and you don't have time to read, go to Ble you'll see it there. Third Ice Spies just came out, Russell Targ and really really good read and excellent material. All right, as always a team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, Chris Hayes. Thank you

very much. You guys rock and I really appreciate your help. All right, take care of be well and we will talk to you next time.