Marco Vigato: Megalithic Mexico

But we are going to Mexico and we're going to talk about some of my favorite places today, and we're focusing on Megaithic Mexico. And if you have ever been to Mexico to the old Ruins, the Maya, Aztec, whatever ancient culture you're visiting, and you look at the dwellings, you look at the pyramids, the temples. For the most part, as old of these places are, and they're made from stone, they are very refined. We don't see dolman. We don't see standing stones in Mexico like we see in Europe

and in China and in the Middle East. We don't see it. Because I think that Mexico is very, very old. It's much older than we realize. And whenever we speak of megalists in Mexico, we're talking about very refined stone work to the level of sanding and polishing, and tools that are not from the local stone quarry. We're talking about either metal or cutting tools or torches or some form of cutting technology that we're not familiar with, which makes the ruins that we see even more spectacular but

also a great curiosity. Hey, this is Cliff your Host of Earth Ancients, and today we are joined by my friend Marco Vigato. If you don't remember Marco, he was featured in the very First Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock and he was taking granted some of the Central Mexico

sites and looking at the ruins. And Graham's studied Mexico, and I believe he's a firm believer that of all the ancient countries that have the greatest possible link to a mother culture, mother culture being Atlantis or in the case of the Maya and the Aztec atland the continent and the Atlantic Ocean, the buildings are refined. They're just amazing. And when we begin studying North America and Central America

and we look at it from the indigenous perspective. These are indigenous scholars like Paulette Steves who we've had on the program, who has gone back and actually determined that many of the sites that we considered a few, you know, a few thousand years, and we're talking about the United States are closer to one hundred thousand years. And when we begin talking about settlements that are one hundred thousand years, this is where you get into some really amazing possibilities.

Now earlier in the Earth Ancients development, we had some archaeologists who had done side scans sonar. One of them is doctor Greg Little, and Greg and his wife and a team went out to the Bimini area and dove approximately thirty feet and using side scan sonar, they passed the equipment down another thirty feet so it was like sixty to one hundred feet and discovered pyramids and the

discovered temples. And when we look at these structures, they are very very similar to what we see in the Yucatan Peninsula, which is places like Ekbalam and Coba, the stairway pyramids that are there. And at that time it was almost too much for the archaeological community to even consider of a society that predates the Aztecs, the Maya people,

and Sumerians in predynastic Egyptians. These are very very early civilizations that were beginning to see we're beginning to understand and remember what we see in Egypt and likely, and I'm a very very big advocate of this, is that these temples and these pyramids were reused over thousands of years. So they were built probably prehistory, and then there was devastation.

There was asteroid hits, there was genocide, marauding, other people wiped out, you know, less sophisticated people and left their dwellings. And so when they were repopulated people places like chijinitsa ushmol Tiwa, Teva Khan and other great Maya and other great indigenous cities, they were repopulated with people who were not the original builders, who did not have the scientific and uh engineering prowess to build in the same manner that they that the buildings and the pyramid in the

cities were built under. So when it comes to the megalithic theme, which is our program today, we're looking at stone works that are highly refined parts of temples that are missing. We're going to learn about a new ruin that's just a few hours east of Mexico City, that has the potential to be a groundbreaking location with unique pyramids, with unique stone masonry and artifacts. It sets a precedent

for unique scholarship and begins stretching our minds. Now, now, I have a lot of friends and we have a lot of archaeologists on the program. Their work is incredibly important, but it ends at a certain area, and then we have to begin looking beyond that level of education because a lot of it's just not working anymore. And bring

this up all the time. If you do not look at the subtle effects of tolleric energy lay lines underneath these city centers, then you're missing out on a whole history that the native people, that the indigenous elders talk

about and they still work with. Now, in our tour are Guatemala Tour December first of the twelfth, we will actually touch base and we actually will walk and connect and in some cases reconnect with pyramids, temples and structures that are built and have been marked as places for connecting with Earth energy, gravitational forces again, the emissions from the Earth and they are enhanced and then passed over to the body, and you can do whatever you want

with that, but it's important to remember that these are keys to understanding our ancestors, and archaeology doesn't even come close to it. I brought this up a couple of weeks ago. I think it was with Ed Barnhard that you know, you guys, archaeology adapted archaeo astronomy because they began realizing that a lot of these buildings were placed in a certain manner that connected with sunrise sunset, with the seasons, the solstices, and the equinoxes, and in some

cases entire cities were aligned to constellations. And that's still one that is not accepted by university archaeologists. But the independent archaeologists who are not forced to adhere to protocols that are not necessarily very very flexible, are beginning to

open to this. And my belief is that for archaeology to expand, they need to take on the subtle energy and have something like bioelectric archaeology or field studies, field energy studies of some kind where you measure the energy that's coming out of these buildings, these temples, these pyramids, and you determine perhaps what was going on now and that's the beginning of a whole new line of thinking. So today's program is with returning guests Marco Vigato, and

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Mystery Traditions throughout the Ages. This is an excellent book, and I'll tell you one of the reasons that Marco is a unique individual is because he works with the academics in Mexico and in parts of South America, Central America, I should say, and we'll talk a little more about that, but he has recently finished a couple of videos that I saw that are excellent, and we're going to talk about those today and his ongoing quest to uncover evidence

of a very, very advanced civilization that predates the Aztecs, the Maya and the other cultures that are noted in Meso America. So hey, Marco, welcome back to Earth. Ancient it's great to see you.

about ancient civilizations or prehistory. Let's just use the term prehistoric. What is it? Why is INA and these other archaeologists much more open to it? Is it because they have this indigenous background of these people that are part of their lives, and so because of their family history and because of being grown growing up in the culture that is much more loosely framed to prehistoric people, that it's more acceptable in these archaeologists.

history or prehistory have been lost. So yes, I have found, maybe they will not admit it publicly, but I have found many archaeologists within within the what it would call consider the academic mainstream here in Mexico are pretty open

to this idea of a lost to civilization. And to your point, a part of that may be also a legacy of their traditional background, that there are still many, many traditions, many both mythical accounts ancient records from allver mes America that speak about how their civilization essentially came here from some so that may be part of the reason why they're so open to this possibilities.

What do you say to.

But then I would say since about seventy years ago, since the nineteen fifty is when a new generation of Mexican born and locally trained archeologists started taking over a lot of these excavations, bringing in new pressure perspective, something that to me very well symbolizes these atension between North

American and Mexican or Latin American archeologists. So is the discovery or what they called discovery of all mexivilization, because that was started by American archaeologists like Matthew Sterling, for instance, or Racker. But then you have many Mexican archeologists who continued in their tracks significantly expanded that body of knowledge.

And it's interesting the position that many of these US North American archeologists took back in the nineteen forties nineteen fifties, according to which the Mayas were the pretty much the only advanced civilization in meso America. There was this very Maya centric view which was completely shattered during the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties with the discovery of the Omega.

And this was led in large part by Mexican archeologists like Roman Pinachan, like Luis and Miguel Kovar Rubias, just to name a few.

the east. The raise a for instance, a very famous Aztec codex called the Codex Boturini, which is on display the National Museum of History in anthropology, which the bigs Aceland as an island completely surrounded by water, from which the ancestors of the Aztec people then migrated into the Valley of Mexico. But there are also accounts that situated Aslanta on the mainland, in a region that would more

or less coincide with the southwest the United States. So the location of Iceland is pre controversial, and these mostly belongs to the world of mytha and mythology. What is true is that so many of the ancient meso American civilizations, including not only the Aztecs but also the Mayas, they had very clear traditions about the arrival of their ancestors from the sea from the east, so from the direction of the Atlantic Ocean, and there are plenty of these accounts.

For instance, Bernardino of Saraguna, who was one of those early Spanish historians at the time of the conquest in the first half of the fifteen hundred. So he speaks about this tradition that the ancestors of all the meso American people, they came from the sea on ships, they landed on the coast of what is today Vera Cruz or Tamaulipas, and then moved inland to become the founders

of meso American civilization. And also among the Mayas, you have very similar accounts in the popul War, for instance, the annaus of the Kachikels, which are different religious tacts from different Maya groups. The Mayas, for instance, who also speak about their ancestors coming from some land in the east after a very long journey over sea and land.

So this all suggests at least a belief that there was shared among the meso American people that their ancestors were not native of meso America, but they came here from some other land that was likely located across the Atlantic Ocean to the east.

or Russia. But there's more and more independent archaeologists who believe that they traveled and they migrated by ocean routes, and actually the South American archaeologists have spoken with believe that Antarctica at one time may have been a place where the earliest ancestors came up through South America into Central and North America, which is not even considered by

the American universities because it's not in their purview. It's like, it's like we need to have speaking about the United States, we need to have more more of a collective thought when we think of the migration of our ancestors. What do you say to that regarding Mexico.

a very early human presence in the Americas. One of those a little controversial is a ceotique master on site a close San Diego would pushback the arrival of the first humans. We don't know whether they were anatomically modern humans. Maybe the under tells maybe denis Ovans, but that show there were people here in the America, probably as early as one hundred and thirty thousand years old years ago, which is a lot earlier than when this alleged migration

through the Bearing Strait occurred. There's also evidence from plenty of sites across Mexico, central South America the show a very early human presence, probably as early as twenty or thirty thousand BC, which is again much earlier than when archaeologists paleontologists believe these ice recorded or existed between Siberia and Alaska through the Bearing Strait. There's also this mystery

about the so called palaeo Americans. There are obviously very few skeletons that have been discovered and from which DNA could be recovered dating to such an early time period, but it's interesting to observe that all these early skeletons were talking about three ten thousand BC that have been found in the Americas, like the Kennectwickman and the Spirit Keith Mummy, for instance, many found in senopees in the

Maya region as well. They show physical and genetic traits that are not found among living a Native American populations. So that almost suggests the existence of an ancestral population which is generally referred to as paleo Americans, which was then replaced, likely by invaders, by newcomers that came in through the Bearing Strait at the end of the lasta Ice Age.

this event. And this is what archaeologists and each hortologists

are finding. I've had a couple on my program, and there's a whole what they're being called reuse of temples pyramids, and this is a real problem because I think I would like to hear from you on this one, that the academic world is not recognizing the possibilities of a very very antiquity period, you know, tens of thousands of years or more, where there was a very very high level of culture that was wiped out, and then there were the survivors who repopulated, and these are the people

we consider the the Aztecs, the Maya, and these other cultures that are frequently referred to as the ancients of Mexico.

These people brought the agriculture as well, so you have the appearance of our agriculture in central Mexico, in the Valley of Tewakanquebla just around eight thousand BC, which is remarkably closer to when agriculture also appears almost suddenly in the Tile Crescent, in the Middle East, China, in the South America, and so many other places around the world. So that again suggests that these people brought a more advanced cultural knowledge of agriculture, of crop domestication into all

these different places. And the Second Watershed moment is at the beginning of what the meso American archeologists referred to as the pre Classic or Formative period. So we're talking about the time roughly two thousand to fifteen hundred years of BC, three thousand, five hundred to four thousand years ago. That's when all mag civilization arises. And what you see around that time is the sub emergence of a high culture.

High civilization in the meso America appearances out of nowhere of all mega civilization, bringing in new artistic styles, a new technology. And this is I think one of the bigger, not the biggest enigma in mes American archaeology. Where the this culture that we call today the Olmecs come from.

uh influence. What do you say about their origins? I mean, if if I talk to if I talk to a classic archaeologist, like we have Ed Barnhardt on the program all the time. I love the guy, but they just cannot go beyond their educator, their training. They can't consider any other origin of their of the OMEG. What do you say?

these days, but it's truly remarkable. If you look at how these people depicted themselves or the people around them, you find that the most fascinating combination and that mixture of different types. You find people look obviously meso American or Native Americans, but you also see people that look clearly Asian, and I mean mostly like Asian, almost with Chinese or Japanese wace. So you find people who look

more like Black Africans. If you think about this colossal all maccans, and again I know this is a pre controversial subject, and you find also people represented on steelers and monument that look like Calcazoid are not gonna say Europeans, but definitely Calcazoids, maybe even Semitic. And you have all these different people apparently living together in the early pre Classic period, and then these huge diversity simply disappears. You

no longer have those representations. The artistic style that you find, for instance, during the twenty one Cana during the Maya period becomes pretty standardized, and you find only representations of people that you would identify today as Native Americans. So what happened to all these other different strains they may have come to mes America. I think that's a really really important question now about the possibility of a Chinese

at present. There have been studies, mostly by Micah Zeu, who analyze some of those jade celts from the site of Levanta. It's a pretty remarkable collection. It belonged to an offering which is presently on displaying the National Museum of History and Anthropology here in Mexico City. And these skeelts, if you observe them, they appear to be almost like miniature still as you have all these different macloid looking figures. They're standing all around them as if performing some kind

of ritual. But the most interesting part is that these celts are engraved with some symbols that look like hieroglyphics. They do not belong to any known script in meso America, but these researcher Mike Seals suggests that they are the same type of script found on Chinese oracular bones from the Shang dynasty, which is a contemporaneous with the Olmecs, dating from between two thousand to sixteen hundred BC. Now, This is controversial because it's based on there a very

limited set of symbols. But then if you also look, for instance, Olmec art, you have many of those beautiful carved jade or certain tine masks that have very clear Asian or East Asian traits. They look almost to Chinese, almost Japanese. You have the fascination with Jada, the knowledge of magnetism among the Olmecs, where you find magnetic compasses, for instance, at the site like so there are many points of conducts. But the same could be said, for instance,

of the possibility of conduct with ancient India. There is a beautiful bas relief carving at the site of Alta Hina that appears to depict a very famous episode from Indian mythology called the churning of the Milky Ocean, and it's completely out of place. At the meso American site, you have many other artistic representations that would almost suggest

a Phoenician influence. So I am personally very open to the possibility that different people's different cultures discovered meso America or the America at at different points in time and left their market. This is not to say that they were necessarily the originators of a mes American culture and civilization, which I believe was mostly on first and foremost a native and DeVore, but they may have exerted at least some level of influence over its development.

any other country but the original country. So that's called diffusion.

early on had presophisticated navigation capabilities. If you go back, for instance, into the time of the Phoenicians, many Phoenician ships there were circum navigating Africa at the time, or conducting trade expeditions to northern Europe to the British Isles. They're probably better suited for transoceanic voyages than many of the ships of the fifteenth or sixteenth century, including the

boats that Columbus used to reach the America. So I do think that many ancient peoples, among them the Phoenicians, the Great the Romans, right the Egyptians, the Chinese, they certainly had the capability of reaching the American continent. But this is a field that has not yet been explored to any level of death, that of the possibility of

longer transoceanic voyages in ancient times. And I do think that many of the archaeologists and scholars who have studied this subjects are generally pretty ignorant about the nautical or

navigational capabilities of these ancient peoples. And then there is a second consideration, which I think is also a reflection of the prejudice that was mentioned earlier, that anyone we even mentioned the possibility that this culture scheme from somewhere else or influenced by voyagers from across the seas immediately labeled as a racist or a white su pramacist. I think there is this sort of anti coonial bias in a way, according to which anyone who even suggest the

possibilities immediately labeled as a colonialist. I find it's funny fascinating because when it is seafarers from the Old World that coming into America, that's racist. But when you're talking about early agriculturalists from the Middle East getting into Europe and starting a civilization in Europe, that it's perfectly acceptable.

It's off racism. So there is a bit of a I think, a contradiction here in which, on the one hand, archaeologists are very open to accept the possibility of cultural diffusion when it comes from people outside of Europe, but when you're talking about given the possibility of contact between the new the Old World and the New World, then this hypothesis is immediately shunned and labeled as racist.

accounts and fairy tales. I think the Native Americans themselves, they had no clue about their origins, were just making up stories to please the Spanish. So that's at least the mains review that these stories were all made up by the measure to please the Spanish. But then it becomes hard to explain it when you find that the exact same story toll, for instance, in the popul Vu, whose origins date back to the very early times of Malia civilization, it also gives a very similar account of

the arrival of their ancestors by sea. So you do have, in fact, many of these mythical written accounts. You have artistic representations of people that are shown as barely Asians, possibly even black Africans. They clearly do not look like meso Americans. And all of these is just dismissed either as fairy tales, coincidence, or just exaggerated representation of some

very peculiar types. Now, I do think that in order to inge these partying, we need some hard facts, some irrefutable evidence, as it would be to find authentic Old World artifacts here in meso America. That's one avenue of research, and you may argue that we have quite a few of these artifacts. There is the famous case of a little lay head from a site called kalish Lawaka right outside of Mexico City, which has been firmly dated to

the second century idiots of Roman manufacturer. Nobody questions that the head is a Roman manufacturing was found by one of the most famous Mexican archeologists, Alfonso Castle, during a legitimate archaeological excavation at a then pristine site, with no evidence of later intrisions or contamination coming from a genuine Hispanic burial. So if you look for it, you will find evidence. You will find a number of objects that can show that can show pretty clearly pre Colombian contact

happened and they take place. Two other avenues that are obviously more recent there are botanical or palo botanical research and genetic research. Palot botanical research is important because that shows that the number of crops of all the world crops made their way into meso American and South America from very early times, and vice versa as well. You have the very famous case of the nicotine or cocaine mummies for instance. You have even depictions in paintings in

Pompeii many Roman sides what can only be pineapples. You have representations of meso American corn in medieval Indian temples. So there is, in fact, I think, lots of evidence that these contacts took place. The most controversial one is the genetic evidence. This is unfortunately limited by the very small number of genetic samples taken on mes American and

particularly early mes American all mex skeletons. It's fascinating that only two complete all mixed skeletons have survived that could be genetically tested, and whenever these genetic tests are conducted, there is a pretty strong evidence or at least like strong hymns and the possibility of a different yet unknown

founding populations of the Americas. There is this question about applogroup X, which is a specific DNA APPO group which has been found among ancient Native Americans and quite interestingly also among certain populations in the Near East that could potentially hint at a connection. There is a genetic evidence that different populations brought a genetic material into Mesomerican, into the genetic fool of ancient meso American population that did

not come from varying from these migrations. But these studies, as I said, there's still at a very incipient stage. There is still a lot of research that needs to be done, and the available semple also of skeletons or bonb materials to be tested limited, particularly for the o world, because the tropical climate does not allow for the conservation of those kinds of organic remains.

Ancient Guatemala December first to the twelfth. We are actually going to connect with pyramids, climb pyramids, temples and actually integrate with them and the ley line energy that comes forth up through them. For all the details, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours and see for yourself all the details. Now back to our guests, Marco Vigato coming to us from Mexico. Are you saying that there's a DNA genome of the OMEC that's been traced to other parts of the world.

a pretty partial view. However, the same study and also later study showed the genetical mixture from what is called a ghost population, meaning that it cannot be traced to any living meso American descendant or any known population of

the ancient world that has been genetically sampled. And this is typically referred to in academic papers as eupop A, with a second the unknown ghost population, also recently discovered, called eupop B. The reason why these are referred to as ghost populations is that the geneticists have no idea where they came from. They do not match the genetic profile of any living Meta American people or any extinct

people that has been genetically sampled. Now, this is not to say that they came from the oil world or from some other origin. It just says that we do not know where they came from, but they were likely not Native Americans.

I do think that here in Mexico as well, we find evidence of the same worldwide megalithic culture they built in a very similar way you find sophisticated stone worker. You find evidence of stone working techniques that imply the use of a pres sophisticated technology for cuting raising these huge stone blocks. There is a colossal monolith which now stands in the center of Mexico City that weighs over

one hundred and sixty tons. There was likely and for the city of a totti Wacan it's a colossal statue which is interpreted is a representation of the rain, and now nobody really has an idea about what deity that

represented may have been a ruler. For what we know, there is an evidence all over toti Wacana, for instance, of an earlier megalithic layer that what we see today with the pyramids, the ceremonial avenues of the palace was in fact built over a much earlier megalithic sides, and you find many remnants of these megalithic architecture throughout the site. I've personally documented several of these megalithic sites in very remote parts of Mexico in the state of Morelos in Guerrero.

The show remarkable affinity with the megalithic structures of Peru in the form of giant polygonal wolves, for instance, a huge megalithic structtures with perfectly fitting stone blocks, monolithic architecture carved directly from the bedrock. There is a beautiful site called texcot Single, which was also featured in the Ancient Apocalypse show, which was a part of with the Graham Hancock. The show's exactly the same kind of monolithic architectural rock,

cup surfaces, stairways. There's a beautiful, almost perfectly circular tube at this site, which bear an uncanny similarity with the megalithic monolithic sides throughout the worlds. It's really a similarity you find across megalithic sides, and the fact that those megalithic architectural layers they always tend to be the oldest up on which later cultures then built upon and they

erected their own temples, own sacred site. So you find pretty much twelve the entire ancient world this part turn of reuse of earlier megalithic sites.

and it's a pretty obscure site. You will not find it on any major publication of mes America, even though for a very short period of time in the nineteen fifties it was at the center of a very significant academic controversy because you have these two archaeologists, including Charles Wicki, a very famous mes American archaeology erote extensively on the Olnecks who visited the site, and upon seeing these perfectly carved megalithic architectural huge stone slabs, they immediately published an

article suggesting the possibility of a connection with South America, particularly with Tijuanahu and Charles wiki was very qualified to make this comparison because he had studied extensively the inch and sites in Peru, particle in the area of the Sacred Valley in New Organtic Tambo. He had done several excavations in Peruin, mes America, so it was very well

trained to recognize those kinds of similarities in stonework. Obviously, this was immediately dismissed by most meso American archaeologists based on one very interesting observation and the fact that these huge stone slabs, some which weigh up to fifteen tones,

must have been carved with metal tools. That was the conclusion of those meso American archaeologists, mostly Mexican archaeologists, who by observing the very precise cuts, right angles, perfectly flat surfaces, very much as you find at Duanacud or some very small drill holes, there are only a fraction of a millimeter in some of these stone artifacts from some meetic

staff and exactly is you find at Tiwanacu. And what this archeologist said is that you must have had metal tools for even still tools to do this kind of work in a wrock as hard as buzzalt or undeside. And so they essentially dismissed all these incredible stone work as colonial. They believe they must date to the colonial period, to a Spanish period, and probably be part of some church or some sort of colonial building. And so that

was the situation. There was a state of research up until the site was in a way rediscovered over the last decade or so. It was one very important discovery. It changed this picture completely in the early two thousand when two of these slabs were found inside a sealed chamber under the main pyramid of the site. The chamber was dated to seven hundred eight. Now this is the dating of the chamber. We don't know if the slabs were contemporaneous. I actually believe these labs were much much older.

They were simply reused inside these sealed offering.

buried them inside the pyramid. We don't know why they did that. Maybe it was to protect them from some invasion. Maybe it was as a way of sort of like ritually ceiling burying the site, but that essentially served as a time capsule where so many of these very early artifacts were preserved inside what is an Epiclassic structure dating

from seven hundred eighty. The importance of this discovery, however, is that it showed beyond any reasonable doubt that these beautifully carved stone slabs are genuine, ancient pre Hispanic artifacts. These are not colonial objects, so the mystery now is when were they carved, by whom and how since then? It also thanks up to the work of the Arcs Foundation and of the local side director Victorio Sordio, at least the twenty of these massive megalytic monuments have been discovered,

the insa Megaelic staff and the in nearby side. These are constantly new monuments are constantly being uncouvered, which gives us the idea that this was a huge site. Everywhere you look in some Egelic step and you find you see mounds that must have been pyramids. You find a lot of exposed stonework, huge beautifully carved stone blocks on the sides of heels up that were most likely pyramids. So that gives us the idea that the whole buried

city lies at that side of some agelic staff. And then we have barely stretched the surface, very much like a t one a Queen Bolivia.

of the site using area photographs. We're using lighter because our feeling is that this is a very large site just by an initial estimate of the size of the site is that it measures at least three possibly five kilometers long by one point five to two kilometers wide, So we're talking about the very large site, and all over this area you find evidence of mounds, piles of

warped stones, structures that suggest a very extensive site. Now lither would greatly help in order to map out the extent of the site and all these different ancient structures, as well as identifying potential target locations for conducting excavations, maybe conducting some trial excavations, digging a trench or digging trenches inside some of these mounds.

most recent structures at the site. It was one fascinating chance discovery that occurred around if not mistaken, that would have been around the twenty twelve at some Eelic step and when workers from the local phone company were laying the foundation for a mobile phone tower on top of a mound that happened to be a pyramid. They broke into a stone chamber on the top of this mound

which contained a burial. Now these people instead of just taking the artifacts and taking them away, they alerted the local authorities about the discovery, and when the in archaeologist scheme, they excavated a burial that looks like an ol burial because they found large quantities of jade serpentine objects. There is a beautiful stone mask which is made of a yet unidentified material and when I say and identifies, because no research is being conducted, it could be jade, could

be serpentine escalated some precious stone. A beautiful eighty eight tendant was found, which is totally all mech in style. With some of those micro perforations that was just describing, there are less in a fraction of a millimeter and some skeleton remains. All materials were found that were carbon dated by a local archeologist normal rays, and what was shocking was the data which was a fifteen hundred pc

three thousand, five hundred years ago. Now keep in mind that this burial was found on the top of a period, so we're not even talking about the earliest layers of the site. If true, and if confirmed, that would show that this site is at least as old as the Gulf Coast all mech Sides, if not possibly earlier than that.

Some of the earliest dates for San Lorenzo, for instance, are in the range of fourteen hundred to twelve one hundred BC, so this site will be at least contemporaneus, but possibly even older than the omax Sides on the Gulf Coast.

other material. Those tools inevitably would leave microparticles in the stone, particular in those more porosities in the stone, which can be analyzed with the use of those mass spectrometers and those devices. Those tools are now used in the field of archaeology. So this is a part of our research

proposal for some Meeli Steppa. We have not only the slabs, but we also have a pre Hispanic quarry site that was discovered by the site director of Victorious Area and myself just about the three years ago, which contains a huge monolith still in the process of extraction from a Bazout quarry, and so that could potentially provide important elements to understand the kind of tools, what techniques were employed in or to cut the huge stone blocks.

coast of Guatemala pretty or around the Squint Lab. They contain magnetic elements which give the stone a particular magnetism, and it has been shown that the way the stone was carved that was in order to amplify certain magnetic anomalies that may have been naturally occurring within the stone. So I do think this is a fascinating liny research.

It will be extremely interesting to understand whether those stone slabs are so beautiful, is so perfectly carved with these geometric shapes, where you have invertity shapes, you have rectangles, you have different frames, we're also associated perhaps with some magnetic anomalies or some specific properties of the stone.

enigma where they may have come from. I wouldn't say there was really any unexplained phenomena or anything like that, but you definitely feel a very strong energy plieve in the area of a canyon that is located very close to the site. There are many legends there that talk about the tunnels caves they are dug in the walls of these canyon. It's a very deep canyon which I had the opportunity to explore at least in part last year. There was a pretty extensive exploration along several miles of

these canyon. It's all built of huge basalt prisms, So these are essentially huge columnar basalt formations, and obviously you know basalt, it's also magnetic stone that can create different different effects, like even in some cases it's been documented a great alter red states of consciousness exactly. So to be inside like a canyon is all made of basalt and where people believe there are like caves or tunnels.

I think it's a very energetic, energetic spot and we definitely plan on going back if there is any truth to these legends that speak about hidden tunnels and keys in the size of the canyon.

in inverted shapes, square rectangles. It's a very geometric art, very much like ti Wanaco for instance, which I think again is one of the most distinctive traits of these early megalithic sites that you find around the world. If you think about sites like Tijuanaco for instance, the megalithic temples in Giza, the Usian in a video. So what you find is there is purely megalithic monolithic architecture. There are no human or animal or other representations. Really, it's

like very plain architecture, very geometric. And this is also what you find Samieli stap And so now we do not expect to find a lot of anthropomorphic representations at the site, but yes, we do hope up to uncover some tombs. Unfortunately, even the tomba I was mentioning that may day to fifteen hundred BC yielded only fragments of bones, obviously because of the Great Age, so no complete skeletons.

But you do have evidence, if not from some mealic sup step and itself from some nearby sides, of the practice of cranial deformation is shown at many sites in the Valley of Mexico, at Latilico, for instance, among the Old Mexico all these people that practice some form of cranial deformation to alter the shape of the skull in a way as to other to conform to some canon of view, or as many researchers also suggest, so they would look more like their gods.

the site. We use a combination of three different non invasive geophysical methods which include the ground penetrating radar, electrical resissivity tomography and seismic noise tomography to map the underground what lies beneath the site of Mitla, which is a fascinating site. If you've never been to Mitla, it's one of the most megalithic sites in all of Mexico. You have a huge stone blocks, some of which are over seven meters long, the way over fifty tons, and that

continues under the ground. You have several perfectly built as stone chambers underground, the built with huge megalithic stone blocks. And now what this new research has revealed is that these chambers, these tunnels, they continue underneath the entire site. It's part of a huge network of a huge labyrinth of subterranean chambers which the ancient zappottext considered to be an entrance to the underworld. There are accounts from the

early colonial period. They speak about the tombs of the Zappotech kings as located within a subterranean labyrinth underneath the site, which was sealed off by Spanish prests and the missionaries in the early colonial period, and these accounts suggested the entrance may be found underneath the main church of Mitla, which is exactly where our geophysical survey shows that a very large subsurfaced subterranean anomaly exists which extends down to a depth of at least eighteen meters or all most

fifty feet below grounded. That's as far as our instrumentation could penetrate, but that then branches out right four hundreds of meters maybe even more across the entire side.

personal site because they're excellent, very well done. But this geomagnetic resistance scanning that you're doing is turning up not only the posits, but it looks like an underground canal system of some kind.

the ancient side. Started off in twenty twenty two, just focusing on the church group and the columns group, but then we expanded twenty twenty three the research perimeter to include some of the other groups of structure and what we found was again very similar, with several subterranean chambers tunnels that appear to form part of an interconnected system.

It's almost as if it were all subterranean city underneath the site, potentially containing and including several different layers, several different levels, and lightly connecting to some natural key system that makes tend for miles under the area. So that's what I find the passing eating. Now, all these chambers have been they have been sealed off since at least the colonial period, so nobody has been in there in

at least five hundred years. The next stage of the project will likely involve a drilling down into some of these chambers in order to insert a camera or a photographic problem, maybe even a laser scanner, in order to understand the size, orientation, and the potential contents of these subterranean chambers before a larger scale excavation can be attempted.

The reason why I mentioned those techniques like drilling or boring down into those chambers is that they're located a very great depth, in some cases up to fifteen eighteen meters. We're talking about forty five or fifty feet below on the truly hard rock. This is not in the ground, this is in the bedrock. So that's the reason why we need to drill down to see what may lie below the site.

of the discovery of the subterranean chambers of Mitla. When the first Spanish missionaries arrived in Mitla, according to Father Burgo, they founded the entrance to a subterranean temple, what is described as a crit located underneath the main Zapotec temple of Mitla, and there Burgo speaks of four interconnected chambers, the first one which served as a shrine for the idols for the Zappotech gods, the second one, which was the tomb of the high priests, the third one, which

was the tombs of the kings of the Zapputland. It was the name of the Zapotec province at the time, and Burgo describes the mummies of these kings that were laid to rest in the huge subterranean chambers covered in gold, with their battle instruments, the weapons shields, a huge quantity of offerings, and then the fourth chamber, which was, according

to Borgo, a sort of each way to Hell. There was a chamber which contained a colossal altar which could be moved, and underneath the altar was the entrance to a massive subterranean library, which is what Burgoa calls leo Ba, which is a Zapotech world, which means underworld. This is what the Zapotexts believed. There was a genuine entrance into

the underworld. And from Burgo's description you can tell at times that he may be talking about some natural cavern because it describes these vast cavernosa space that according to him, extended for many, many miles in all directions. But then there are some elements in his description that suggests that this could have been maybe an artificially modified cave, because it talks about colossal pillars that were supporting the roof. It talks about the passages branching out a regular distances,

like the streets of a city. That's the expression. He uses this massive corridor with numerous side passages, so there are elements in Burgos description almost suggests that this space may have been artificial or at least an artificially modified cover. The extended potentially for miles underneath the side, which in my view points to with is potentially a much earlier

layer of construction. So you may have had these huge underground the city underneath Mitla, which the Zapotex later discovered that the used part of it as a burial site for their kings, for their prison, and then they built these massive megalithic structures and temples and doubts. There are many different layers to it that could go back to the end of the last Ice Age. That's the most

fascinating part of these whole research to me. There is evidence at middle of human occupation dating back almost ten thousand years to eight thousand BC, and Midla is one of those very interesting places around the world, very much like Quebec Tepe where you have evidence of megalithic architecture and the first evidence of crop domestication and agriculture. We know that Mitla was the place in all of meso America where many different types of crops, including gores, including

corn possibly were first domesticated. So you have these strange association, very much like Gobeckly Tape and many other megalithic sites around the world, between megalitic architecture, early prop domestication, the birth of agriculture in layers that may go back that may date back to the end of the last Ice Age.

That's why I think Mitla can be an extremely fascinating site and what we may and cover the deep from these subterranean chambers at Mitla has the potential quite literally rewriting the history of meso America.

was constructed. That's when, allegedly, according to many of the local people, the entrance was rediscovered, which remained open for many, many years. There's people still living in Mitla today who remember having gone down into those subterranean tunnels underneath the church until the entrance was again sealed sometime during the nineteen eighties. So we're not talking about a long time ago.

This ent and remained open for many, many decades. There are many people living in Midleft today who tell stories about having been inside those Megali subterranean chambers that were later sealed off. The reason why they were sealed off is a twofold. On the one hand, people apparently got lost in those subterranean labyrinths. In order to protect and to prevent people from getting lost while searching for treasure underground,

they sealed off the entrance. And there is also a second reason has to do mostly with the local Catholic church wanting in a way to prevent what they see as a resurgence of those like pre Hispanic beliefs.

lay offerings to the ruins today. And obviously the idea that the most sacred temple of the Zapputex where their ancestors or high prists, their kings were buried, still exists under the church, makes it a very powerful place for the local people where they would go and lay offering.

So I can't understand why the Catholic Church, particularly in the nineteen eighties in the early nineteen nineties, would want to suppress all that and completely seal off those entrances and severe that connection of the local people with their Prehispan traditions.

and she went to see what they had found. According to what she told me, she saw the entrance, which at the time was still uncovered under the outar. But the local people, particularly the local priesthood, they absolutely prevented her from going inside. She had to barricade herself inside the church because she was attacked by a mob. They ran the belts of the church to call the entire town, claiming that those archeologists had come. They wanted to steal

the mummies or their accessors. They wanted to penetrate into the sanctuary, and she had to be rescued after three days by the police.

next year in twenty twenty six. For the time being, we're opening up a new research from at the nearby site called Teticland del Valley, which is a very fascinating zapotech site. It's located only a few kilometers from Mitla. There are rumors and traditions of tunnels connecting Tilted Land to Mitla, so part of the same subterranean network. And it's very clear if you go to Teltic Land that the main church of the site was built on top of very extensive zappo. The ruins. There are some huge

megathic stone blocks beautifully carved with geometo shapes. You may you may see some of those in the video that I posted, where you can see very similar stonework to what you find in Mitla, for instance, but all of that has been reused in the local church and in many buildings throughout the center of the modern town of tiltic Land. There is also a small portion of what looks like a pre Hispanic platform, very similar to the

platform upon which the palaces of Mitla were built. So all these tells us that tetic Land was very important the ancient Zapoteca ceremonial center very much like Mitla, but

it's completely unexplored. So the idea is to use the same kind of geophysical methods to probe deeper under the ground and see if those rumors about subterranean tunnels and tombs in deetic Land are true, whether there may be a connection also with the underworld of Mitla, and in general, to create a map of the ancient the pre Hispanic site of dertic Land. Something that ensure you are find

fascinating is the name of the place itself. Delticland literally means the city of the Gods, so that's a pretty fascinating name for a pre Hispanic site, and that suggests that the site itself may have had a much greater importance in Prespanic times than the small village of Deltyland has today.

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has a big audience. There's I think they are both about twenty minutes. But you know, look at the closeups of the stone work. It's very unusual, very very advanced. You think it would be cut with stone tools, you know, poorly rendered, but it's been cut, sanded and then almost polished. Very unusual. So you can see those again on Earth Ancients Facebook, go to the group or the international page. And I mean, anything that Marco's bringing out right now

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