Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Oh hey, how you doing. Welcome to Destiny. It's a sunny day here in northern California. We are talking alien artifacts today. We've had a number of people on the program who have claimed to have possession of artifacts. Sometimes it's discovered in caves. A while ago we had evidence of alien bodies and proving caves.
And I'd say about two maybe three years ago, we had a Russian group who had traveled to Lsco, Mexico, and brought back with them evidence of alien artifacts in the form of little carvings, little figurines. It got so that even people like Scott Walter from America on Earth was promoting them. We had him on about a year ago, and Scott believes that they're actually
authentic. In fact, he's gone as far and we're talking about these Jalesco artifacts from Jalesco, Mexico, which is a state that is right next to the Pacific Ocean. Huge not really well known. The state next to Helsco's well known as Guadalajara. A lot of different food products have come out of there, but Alaska is not really known for anything until the last five perhaps even seven years where these so called alien artifacts have been discovered. Now,
my guest today is from the contact in the Desert conference. He had a very large table of these artifacts, and my team and I were looking at these artifacts, and some of them were fascinating. They had unusual script, they were beautifully formed. But I'm still at a loss to understand just how they came about. My big question is if this is a If this is evidence of a culture who came to Earth and stayed and they flew in ships
of whatever manner and propulsion very much unknown to us. Where are the ruins? Where are the ruins of this race? Where are the skeletal remains? Where are the potshards? You know? Why are we seeing these artifacts in the form of jewelry bowls, tabletop where it's all decorative and they're apparently created by the inhabitants who lived with these alien beings and to memorialize them, actually
created these artifacts. Now, again, I have a tremendous a number, I have a tremendous number of questions, and we're gonna hear on this interview today exactly some of the ideas behind these artifacts. I mean, the guy who telling them Joshua Joshua Sissler, who's the owner of this company. He goes to Jlisco a couple of times a year to meet with the locals, and they go out, according to him, and they do digs, they dig this stuff up. And I've actually seen a couple of videos on YouTube.
In fact, if you go to YouTube type Injlisco Ja l I Sco, Mexico, alien artifacts, you can actually see them digging up under three to four feet of dirt various artifacts. So what are we dealing with here? Is this a parallel dimension of Earth where these beans came and lived among the earthlings and then took off? Is this Are these manufactured by a poor
country desperate to earn a living and fulling us with their fake artistry. One of the big questions that has come about is the fact that most, if not all, of the artifacts that we saw, and we saw a table filled with hundreds of different size artifacts, none of them was broken, none of them was chipped, none of them seem to be damaged whatsoever in the excavation process or some of the stones that are used to create these artifacts or
jewelry or whatever you want to call them, is saw stone and under pressure, it would crack. So I don't know what to say about this. I am at a loss, but I want to bring it up for you because these artifacts, this jewelry, these figurines, these bowls, knives, remains are flooding our market. We see them on eBay, we see them
on other websites like Craigslist. You don't see them on Southby's. And oddly enough, the Mexican archaeological community does not validate them and believes that they're fake. Now that has something too, That's something to think about. When you have your own countrymen basically saying this is fake, then that's something to consider. Now. I have not seen any evidence or any fakery in videos in any language, in any podcasts other than the host including myself, hosts questioning
if these items are authentic or not. Again, if you go back a year and a half ago and go to earth website, clicked Scott Walters. He spent the better part of an hour discussing his analysis, his selection from these heart effects. I mean he spent several thousand dollars purchasing these, and his belief that these are not fake. Now, it would take a brilliant mind to create some kind of glue that has a carbon date of two or
three thousand years You can't just do that on a whim. So when Scott says that these artifacts are between three and excuse me, between two and three thousand years old or older, what does it tell us? Who were these beings? Where did they come from? Why is there's no mythology? Where is the ruins? Where are the body? Where are the physical remains?
When we had already six Killer Clark on the program, Doctor Clark, she talks of a story in Central Mexico of the locals knowing and reporting of alien contact. In fact, her book on Mesoamerican alien contact is filled with references where they came from evidence of their contact. And in one wonderful story, she talks of a local contacting a regional archaeologist, bringing them to a cave and finding skeletal remains in what appeared to be a space suit. See that's
hard evidence. That's very very hard evidence. And when we hear that, that validates a contact, That validates a people communicating with off world or alien beings. So I want you to be up on this. I want you to be aware of Helisco artifacts. The typical artistic representation of these beans big Amani's big heads, little bodies kind of looks like kind of the grays,
the typical artwork. And by the way, I will be posting an entire gallery of many of the typical artifacts that come out of Helisco and what you can see on eBay, what you can see on local Craigslist, regional Craigslist,
and it's all over the place. It's flooded the market. So this is something to be consider of. Here's a quick audio from History Channel on ancient artifacts, giant megalithic stoneheads, figurines of what appeared to be flying crown, and statues that evoke cultures found on the other side of the world. According to ancient astronaut theorists. It is this information that the Catholic Church sought to suppress when they attempted to destroy all traces of the Maya culture nearly five
hundred years ago. Now what's interesting is all these great ancient cultures, including the Mayan, seemed to have knowledge of math and science, which we can't explain how they got this information. When you ask them, they always tell you it came from the gods. If the proof existed, not only of cross specific migration, but also extra terrestrial visitation. Many ancient astronaut theorists belief it would have posed a serious threat to a Catholic hierarchy steeped in the bigotry
and intolerance of the Inquisition. But if this incredible theory is true, what then happened to the extra terrestrial visitors? Why did they come here only to leave or go into hiding because of various wars going on, cataclysms, And eventually these civilizations began to collapse as civilizations do. And what happened in the end was the airships they stopped coming, and then the extraterrestrial demigons pulled their
technology back. So we don't know what happened there with the extraterrestrials and where they went. And so you have to wonder if they don't want us to know that they are here. The extraterrestrials may have just decided, Okay, humans on planet Earth have got the seeds of civilization. Let's just stand back
and see what they do. In February twenty eighteen through March twenty nineteen, archaeologists made a number of incredible discoveries just in the area of Mexico alone, mine artifacts were discovered in Teotiwakan, a location previously thought to have been inhabited only by the Aztecs. Two hundred more artifacts were found in a hidden cave under the mine's site of Chichen Nitza and beneath dense jungles near Lake Pontsguaro lined
our scanning uncovered in ancient city the size of Manhattan. In the early nineteen nineties, there were these science fiction stories that one day will be able to somehow look underneath the overgrown jungle, And sure enough, here we are twenty five years later, and that technology now exists. Satellites are now able to look through the soil into the ground to see if other structures exist. Is mankind on an incredible a shold of discovery, one that will confirm that extra
drestrial visitation has occurred all over the world and for centuries. Perhaps beneath the ruins of a newly discovered sign in Mexico, archaeologists will uncover the ultimate evidence of alien contact and proof of humanities the true origins. Now, I want to mention that this is a slight prelude to a number of programs that are
in development and one of the big ones is the alien experience. These are people who have had actual direct contact with aliens, and one of them includes Willie Steber, who has a new book called Them tem We're also going to have doctor av Loebe who has just returned from the Pacific Ocean and has evidence of alien artifacts that were burnt up in our atmosp fear and deposited into the Pacific Ocean. He did a scan and retrieved a number of items. We're
also going to have a number of ex military and intelligence officers. The word is that in twenty twenty seven there will be a disclosure of huge proportions. The rumor is this is going to be basically announcing that they're here, they've been here, and by the way, meet your neighbors. Now, you all know that I have been salivating at this disclosure, at this unveiling,
because of the implications for our evolution. We automatically evolve. I'm not a scientist, but I know enough about it that the questions, the ramifications, the societies and cultural changes that take us when this happens are profound, and I can't wait. I'm looking forward to it. I want to prepare you as best I can for this unveiling because it is huge. It is huge. It is huge, it is huge. So we'll start today with this,
which is kind of a wake up call on the questionable artifacts. And my guest today is Joshua Sistler and the programs called Alien Artifacts from the Unknown. One of the fascinations of the contact of the Desert Conference is that there's an entire exhibit group of individuals who bring their wares, and as a former program director, I'm always curious to know what is the latest item, be
it a crystal, be it a novel piece of clothing or whatever. But I gotta tell you, I was pleasantly surprised to see an exhibit here by a gentleman named Joshua Sisseler, who has found and is a regular contributor to
this ancient alien phenomenon that's coming out of Mexico. These are the artifacts that I featured a couple of years ago with a Russian gentleman who actually published a book, and since then, Scott Walters from Unearthed America or is it America Unearth America Unearth, Yeah, has been on the program with some of these artifacts. And josh wasn't an entire exhibit of these amazing artifacts and that we have them with us now. Joshua, welcome to Earth Ancients. It's just
an amazing exhibit. Yeah, blessings, Thank you, Cliff. I appreciate that. And like you brought up crystals as one of the main factors here involving the higher raising of our vibration of our consciousness. I've been working with crystals since about twenty ten and also doing metaphysical speaking on channeling information and working with quartz crystals to access the earths acostic records, and so the next most
exciting thing that entered my field was these sacred ancient alien artifacts. They were presented to me in twenty fifteen, and it kind of shook my anciousness. I had already been hyperactivated by crystals, and so I was basically setting up crystal booths and calling people's energy in with the vibrations of the crystals themselves. And so these stones somehow were introduced to me and I was told to sit with them for one night and see what their energy was to me. And
the energy was so potent and unique. Every single person who came to my booth had basically a unique experience or an interaction with the stones themselves. And so one stone was a little statue about this big and it holds an ancient vibration. And so that was an instant feeling that I got from the stone, and I sense energies. I've obviously been working with crystals for a long time and also working with the vibrations of the crystals, so seeing an ancient
relic like this, it actually had an effect on me. It had a direct ancient vibration. So talk about how you became aware of this site in Mexico where it is, and the people surrounding and the people who you work with, Okay, wonderful. So I was introduced to these stones by a young man Phoenix, and he said that there was a man who lived in
Mexico who was going to be releasing stones from his private collection. And so luckily enough I was introduced to this individual and through my research after receiving my first stone, of course, what it did is it led me to want to dig deeper. It wanted I wanted to now do personal hands on physical research. I wanted to go to this location. I wanted to figure out
where this energy was coming from. I wanted to communicate with the locals of the town and read their vibrations right, see how authentic their truth frequency was? Interrupt you When was this? What year was this was a two fifteen was very early initial introduction. Yes, and then in two thousand and sixteen was when I had raised enough funds to create my own personal, self funded expedition on into Mexico to this sacred all town. Okay, what's the town.
The town is Ojuelos de Jalisco. Okay, state of Jalisco. So how far is that from Mexico City. It's it's probably if you're driving, maybe six and a half hours. Yeah, Okay, but believe it or not, there's actually, you know, there's not just pyramids in Mexico City like Ta te Wakan. You know, we have pyramids all over Mexico. Yeah, and there's even a small pyramid that's pretty much about thirty minutes outside of Ojuelos de Jalisco, a very like a well known pyramid. Yea.
But believe it or not, there's a connection of the Geomancic grid of pyramids spanning throughout all of Mexico. Okay, so tell us about the inception of this because a lot of people. I mean, these items are flooding eBay, and I really have a problem with that because it's like, for me, it kind of takes away from the uniqueness of these, uh, these little figurings as well as the biggest We're going to see some details in a
minute. But what is the history of this discovery? Okay? So yeah, the three would be that through analyzing these stones and finding that certain sacred stone tablets themselves were actually mosaic. So the scientists actually studied the stones and realized that there's an adhesive material that they're gluing together all of these separate stones
with. It's created a mosaic and it's also a seamless mosaic. So whatever material that they had used to create an organic epoxy, like two natural SAPs and resins from trees mixed with a little bit of ash and crusted up stone, allows it to harden and then after a certain amount of time, can actually crystallize. And so what's happening is that they noticed that you can actually
carbon date that adhesive material. That's actually the form of glue they were using the organic glue, and so what they did was they then said, well, this is amazing because we have a possibility that we can actually carbon date these artifacts. Normally, when it comes down to a stone relic that's just been carved into, if you carbon dated that stone, you'd only at the
time period of the stone itself, the element of the stone. So when you actually get into a mosaic tablet like this, notice how this top platelet is probably over one hundred different stones inlaid into the top surface, and those are all inlaid with that natural sap or resin like adhesive. And so they actually have done multiple tests and carbon dating and they've gotten results of eight thousand,
seven hundred years all the way up to fourteen thousand years. So there was a certain period of time when these cultures were teaching these ancient mystery school teachings of knowledge and they were engraving that information into these sacred stone tablets. So what's the history of the site in terms of finding these twenty years ago?
Thirty feels fairly recent to me. Yeah, you know, there is a scientist, doctor Garcia Sanchez, and he's one of the first, i think scientists to write a book on this topic, and I think his connection to the stones goes back. You know, I mean two thousand and twelve is when a lot of this information seemed to come onto the scene, But
I think his book would date back prior to that time. So this but when you get into the oral traditional teachings of the local families that I've been working with as they've gone on nine expeditions down to Aulos myself personally, and I've made a lot of very genuine connections with a lot of the families who have been known in this town for doing this research for generations, right,
so it goes all the way back to great great grandparents. Yeah. I've seen pictures of people's houses that are they were living room with these objects all over the place. So they've been collecting and for generations. Yeah, so we don't know if it goes back if the first stone even found in this town was over two hundred years ago or over a thousand years really yea, you can imagine right that and we can take you from there where you might
want to go next. But yeah, these stones possibly could span back, you know, through thousands of years. Okay, So when I had Scott Walter on the program, he was down I think in the area you're talking about there were no artificial archaeological ruins discovered, but he actually showed on his program him digging and some other people digging a couple of feet down in a certain area and finding these artifacts. So they're literally scattered within a certain area,
aren't they. Yeah. So the tiny little town Huelos de Jalisco has mountains in the surrounding area, and the mountains the masas expand, you know, they say hundreds of miles of radius that you could find these sacred relics, and it just depends on how deep you can actually get out there. So some people go on camping trips and will explore the desert for up to three days, you know, to a week, and they'll get as far out as they can and still be finding these stones. So what do we
know about the beads, the bees who are represented in these pieces. Well, to me, it's amazing because we don't just have this obvious depiction of extraterrestrial presence on the stones. We now have complete mosaics that we know have
been carbon dated with full Egyptian scenery on them. Egyptian scenery, so we have a direct connection to the Egyptian ancient hieroglyphic language and imagery and information that they were depicting in Egypt and now being also shared throughout Mesoamerica and directly this
location, Ahuilos de Jalisco. So we don't know if this was actually an apex point for this type of knowledge to be coming out, but it's all directly connected to Egyptian iconography as well as Sumerian and we have even Peruvian connections. And the more that I study these stones, I start to find that they've hidden within art certain sacred symbols that are very much have purpose, and I think they're part of the ancient mystery school teachings that the High magis with
access when they got initiated to a higher level of consciousness. Has anyone like a linguist try to decipher the language that is carved in some of these books, You know, we're calling upon professionals at this time, because when you study these stones, especially with enough passion for nine years, you start to see, as I have a vast collection of imagery as well, and I collect every single photo that's come within my presence, Okay, so you start
to see that there's many different types of forgotten light languages that are found in these stones, and they're very much intentional. Every single hieroglyphic that you see, some more advanced, some more primitive, also some that correlate with what would be proto cuneiform looking texts. So there's a vast amount of different language
as we've seen almost up to seven different types of light languages. So this could be so ancient and so lost and forgotten that we're trying to create enough information to have access to what would be a Rosetta stone to connect ancient cultures. Yeah, I mean because you mentioned Sumerian and Egyptian. Yes, is there any symbology that's similar to the hieroglyphics we see in Egypt as an example?
Completely? Really Yes. In my book that I published, I basically have I'm an artist, the visual artist of over twenty five years, and so I've analyzed the stones and I've meticulously articulated these drawings and these hieroglyphics down into perfect precision, and I've studied over one hundred and fifty of the biggest
stone tablets. I'm talking stone tablets that are this big, that have a beautiful, full scene of information on them, and I on my first few pages of my book, I actually published the main tablets that have Egyptian symbols and scenery on them, and it goes all the way even deeper because they have the full ceremony of the weighing of the heart against the feather in the
afterlife. And even further would be that I found a scene with a pharaoh with a scare a beetle as its face, which led me to have to research Kepri, the Egyptian deity, where in the afterlife, you would weigh your heart against a feather, but then also if your feather, if your heart was a little bit heavier than the feather, they give you one more opportunity, and Kepri the pharaoh would appear and weigh your heart against a scare
of beetle, and so they give you a second opportunity to check how genuine your soul truly was within this lifetime. You hear what I'm saying. Yeah, So that was so deep because I of course we've all heard about the ceremony where they're weighing your heart against the feather, and I never knew until studying these artifacts and actually having to see Kepri found on a egypt Egyptian deity found on these ancient artifacts being found in Aholos so led me to learn more
about Egypt than what I commonly knew about Egypt and itself. Yeah, it's funny. I think that about a decade ago there was a son of a famous actor who was trying to bring these up to the general public's perspective. And I can't think of his name, but the Mexican anthropological community just has rejected this and they will not place them in any major museums. Now, I know down in the area where these items are found, some of the
local museums are filled with it. Right, But what's the deal? Maybe it's the alien aspect of big eyes, and like, we don't see this typical artifact from known civilizations in Mexico, So how is this being approached?
And I feel it's so controversial right at the top, very controversial presence, and right away I think that, you know, creates a bit of a conflict with the normal historical timeline, right, And so by acknowledging that these stones could possibly be eight thousand plus years old and yet they have so much information engraved and encoded within them, then this would kind of be a direct
you know, what would you like to call that a smoking gun? To conformation that we actually have access to something that could rewrite our historical timeline. And so for me, this is why it's been a life's purpose and a life's passion. You know, I actually like to create a physical experience to
confirm things, to create a core belief system in my reality. It's really hard for me to just read a book and then integrate something in I need to actually have a physical experience that could shift my perspective and actually test the fabrics of my reality. And if I don't have that experience, then I'm
just writing on some information that I'm giving from a higher source. But in all reality, we are the higher source, and I would like to truly confirm that through my physical additions, right, so I can I can validate my authentic divine truth through my personal experiences. What are these items telling you, especially this big saucer here with these items. I'm really happy you asked that, because this is a ceremonial piece in so many ways, this is
a ten piece UFO vemana spaceship. Yeah, let me explain it, I guess because it is Look how fragile. This piece really is right here. A lot of people might say, well are those also? Are they inlaid into the spaceship itself, But actually they're all balancing. Each one of these sacred little deities is actually balancing in a little location that they've engraved for it
to say, oh they have little Yes, they are sitting there. This first top being comes right off the spaceship and he sits perfectly balanced on the tip of the spaceship. And this is a little bit of a different deity than the other ones are, and he's sitting in a different position. So they have these body like mudras that may play a purpose in what ceremony is actually happening right here. Okay, so the one being is in the center,
we have these four that balance in harmony around the UFO. So unbelievable that we have five sacred little they call a monos, a little tiny alien that's basically doing a ceremony around this whole ten piece UFO. Then the lid itself comes off. There's actually almost like a chalice or something that you would fill with a you know, possibly a ceremonial ritualistic you know, tea of a sort, and this piece could have been used for that ritual to then
access a higher level of consciousness to truly understand what's encoded within this. Okay. And then this piece is all the material that I believe to be petrified wood. And we have actual images of us having a huge a stone tablet and when you get it wet, you can actually see the full wood grain going down that and I wish we could edit that in we could show people this is truly amazing. It's a visual confirmation that we have these stones being
confirmed as petrified wood. Wow. And then this goes even further that every single symbol on the side here actually matches up with the cardinal point on this UFO itself. So there's a way that this thing plugs back in in precision and has a location where it locks in with other hieroglyphics on the base of the ufo. We're going to take a short break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will be right back with my guest Joshua Sissler talking about
his artifacts from Helisco, Mexico. We'll be right back. My guest today is Joshua Sissler. He's been traveling for a number of years to Mexico, a place called Helisco, Mexico, which is next to Guadalajara, and he has found what he believes are significant evidence of alien artifacts and he has brought them to the United States to be studied. What's the car at the top
of that. It looks like more of a human holding an extraterrestrial the next generation, so they have a lot of humans merging their genetics with extraterrestrials. So we have a really unique story being told here. So and then even further as we're just on the seventh piece, we have the eighth piece, which is a little being sits inside and it's laying down because it's almost like it's passing over, okay, And there's two different deities depicted on this spaceship.
One is a Nubis, the overseer of access to the afterlife, and another one is a gray looking alien holding the handbag. So the more that we look into this, we might be able to find out sacred information that connects and correlates those two and what the possible purpose of the handbag actually is. So there's the eighth piece. The ninth would be this actual UFO in itself. This piece is amazing beyond words. Do you think that's petrified wood?
Yes, from my research and from the video that I have, that could visually confirm that when you get it wet, you can actually see complete wood grain going down it. And so this to me would be the same material as the images from the video that I have. And then more important would be this piece on the very base and bottom of the ship that it all balances on is even smaller and it actually is a depiction of the sun.
So to me, this confirms that through ancient technology, eight thousand year old stone showing us that the sun could be the source that would power our ship. And so if we're looking into like ancient forgotten technology to create zero gravity or to access infinite, infinite source of energy from the Sun, this
could be a depiction of what powers the ship. And also if we get into symatic wave vibrations, we see this as the very first symbol of a simatic wave vibration, So it could also be known that simatics has something to do with what might possibly be powering the spaceship itself. Now, do you believe that these items were carved by the local natives as instructed by the aliens
or do you think any of them were carved by off world types. There's a really unique question because Bashar was brought a few of these stones and he was doing a channeling, and he was asked about the origin of the stones themselves, and he said that these, some of the original stones, were actually done by the extraterrestrials, and they came here and these were like a teaching and they taught the humans that were here on this planet the technology that
we needed to create and share this information. So I think that there's a possibility that some of the oldest stones may have been done by extraterrestrials and with certain types of technology that we may not even have access to as of now, meaning that some of the inscriptions when looked at with a digital microscope and zoomed in on, it looked like they almost had an arc spot welding mark
from heat, like they had a micro spot welding laser. But I'm talking about laser precision that's so fine that we don't have access to tools that could even comple compete with this in any way, because a spinning diamond grit drammal tool would literally tear and leave debris March. Yeah, and I've done this because I've carved crystal skulls. I've done my own personal carvings and from my passion and research for this topic, I actually have carved and tried to replicate
what a little guy would look like. But it doesn't have the patina, it doesn't have the age, it doesn't have the energy. So so the typical theme I see is figuring. I see spaceships, saucers, and that's pretty much it is. The is the faces on the on those stones, the figurings, the saucers. What else, Maybe there's a child, there's a child, and much more. Yeah, there's a depict where they show a human that's a feminine energy birthing a extraterrestrial. So we have a direct
connection of hybrid hybrids. And it goes much further than that. We don't just have the symbolism of a human birthing extraterrestrial. We actually have an image of a half reptilian, half human holding the DNA double helix in their hand. So this is the most direct visual depiction of a reptilian merging with its genetics with the human race. And so we literally have that image in my book. And then we also have the image of the female then birthing two
splicing out beings, one being reptilian and one being extraterrestrial. So we have human showing a birthing of not only this extraterrestrial looking being, but one that's also reptilian. That's pretty obvious birthing hybrids. But what other themes are depicted on this stuff? I mean, the UFOs are infinite, So from my research, I actually I am creating a UFO archive, a visual archive, because I've found over two hundred different types of UFO of ven Mona spaceships.
I mean every part of it is shaped like eight different yes, because if Amana is a very different, unique ship wonderful, Yeah, then it's every single image of the UFO is a little bit different. I mean real, two hundred different types. And I'm still as I'm analyzing these stones, finding new UFOs to add to this library every day. This is something that almost
feels so expansive that it could create a lifetime of research. Why don't you hold this big head with this black onyx stone and talk a little bit about that, because that thing is huge, wonderful. So this piece in itself is what I believe to be the petrified wood material hardened and crystallized, and this isn't. So what we have here is a beautiful depiction of an elongated
extraterrestrial. Half of its face is completely covered in hieroglyphics, a forgotten light language, and the other half has a little bit of a story being told with planets and a human and ceremonial position. So a planet up above, so it was almost a ritual of planetary alignment. And then on the back, which is pretty powerful, we have an image of a Nubis and a
gray alien and behind them is a geometric star map. Okay, and so there's a lot of information that has been encoded within these and I think that if we put all the pieces together, and what I've done is tried to analyze as many of these powerful tablets and put them in a sequence in my book to where you can start to try and help us decipher the story being told. Yeah, so this is a huge piece. How was it found
and where was it found? So this piece was from one of the local families, and they're almost like the most well known local family from the town, and this is a piece that has been in their family's collection for generations. So this wasn't necessarily one that I have evidence of being unearthed recently, but more of a piece that they had acknowledged that they had had in their family for a long time. So I want to just get into that real
quickly. So if they've been handed over and collected for generations, are we saying four hundred years, five hundred years? I mean, how would generations as far back as their recollection of their lineage would go. It would be, you know, to their great great grandparents. But that's when they start to lose track of how long these things have been in their collections. But
there's also pieces that are actually being found as of now. So I'm I'm working with probably ten different families who have almost designated different parts of these mountains respectfully to different families who have been doing this for lifetimes. So certain mountains are actually almost respected as this family's mountain to go explore on. So for the individual who's very speculative on this whole thing, there's no bodies of aliens
that have been found, there's no ruined buildings. Obviously it's a very poor, remote part of Mexico, so there's no archaeological digging, going down to see if there's any ruins of any kind. How do we take this on just your word that these are actually authentic. I think the science is going to come out no matter what. And as we merge the scientific world with the metaphysical world, a lot of information is going to come out from the
carbon dating. And then once you have actual carbon dating of one piece, as an artist, we can artistically analyze the artistic signature the same way that we would check and make sure a signature was actually authentic, because every artist has an artistic signature the same way that you would stroke a pen, the
same way that you would shape a ufo. And so what we'll start to do is we will analyze the pieces that have been carbon dated with C fourteen scientific analysis, and then we will then start to visually analyze and connect the artistic signature of that stone that we have carbon dated, and then you can start to notice that that exact artist has then created that same art on thousands of other stones. So we start to have a basically an artistic way of
analyzing these stones and making sure that we have pieces that are connected. And it also is the material. So when I've looked at probably I mean, in all reality, more than ten thousand stones, okay, two ten thousand carved stones. Wow, Okay, And so that in itself, as an artist, I have to start to question who and what culture created such a vast collection of this sacred energy. And I'm not talking that twenty thousand of
them were replicated. I'm talking twenty thousand of them are all holding a different piece of the puzzle. That's why, even after studying one hundred and fifty stone tablets, I still have a lifetime of work to do. So, yeah, show us the piece that Scott Walters featured on his Oh Wonderful program, and if our cameraman can zoom in on that, that's a great piece. This was on his program, right, Yes, this is on Scott
Walters America Unearthed. And what they did as the skeptics, of course, because we're all skeptical about this topic until we go and have physical confirmations of actually unearthing a stone, or feeling the energy of the local families right reading their vibrations, or even working with psychics. But what they did is they found that just like the mosaics, this stone itself had an area where there was three separate inlay stones. So what how do you inlay a stone into
another stone? We have to once again create that adhesive like material. So what they did is they would mix together I believe it was natural SAPs and
resins from trees and they created that apoxy like glue. So they scraped out this whole area underneath the mouth here, and they tested this at one of the universities, and then through an anonymous check, they scraped the adhesive from the eye itself and they went to a different lab, so we could get two results that were unbiased, right, And what came back was eight thousand, seven hundred and something years and eight thousand, nine hundred and something years.
So they got a common connection through the carbon dating of each location on this tablet. Right. Yeah. Is it your feeling that at some point when they get perhaps not necessarily archaeologists, but perhaps a geologist or somebody to begin digging a little bit, that maybe there will be evidence of buildings? I think so for sure? Yeah, I mean, is there any historical
or locals or sand yable? Is there is? I believe I was taken to one of the bigger pyramids there and it's they believe it is so old, you know, imagine eight thousand years worth of aging and weathering. There's little bits of remnants and debris of what was left of this mountain. And even the locals said that they went up there with the group and they sent a camera into the mountain and they actually found a mummy like situation in there.
And it was hard to communicate at that time with the elder that we were working with and what he was trying to guide us too, but it sounded like they've actually found mummies inside the mountains. So I don't know how we could further obviously validate that, but it's going to take maybe a crew and also the world accepting that there's something sacred there for us to move forward. Are there? Is it the indigenous people of Mexico that we're working with
these people? And if that's true with these off world types, if that's true, uh, you know, we should hear more buy in from the remaining indigenous people of that area. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. This is really powerful and really important because a lot of my research has come in unique ways right where sanchronicities will then offer you the right information for you to find your confirmation. And while working with the Weiratica tribe, they
call him the Huiles. The Weirratica tribe goes out on pilgrimages into the deserts of Wirikuta and they go on pilgrimages for the Peyote itself and their oral indigenous oral myth of creation says that they brought humanity to this location ten thousand years ago. That location is two hours away from where these artifacts are being found.
So if we want to if we want to honor oral traditional teaching from the native ancestors and listen to what their teachings are, and this is a tribe that literally holds ten thousand years worth of oral traditional teachings being held through their fire ceremonies. They were one of the tribes that wasn't stomped out by
the Spanish conquisid, so they held their knowledge true to their tribe. So when you get access to doing fire ceremonies, I've been invited to a private heava ceremony for the winter solstice three times now, and so I've accessed some of the sacred teachings from these tribes and to put together that link, which was that their oral traditional teaching is that literally they believe their gods brought humanity to this location for the first time ten thousand years ago, and then to
find these artifacts two hours away from this location, it kind of gives you a bit of a confirmation of the way that their oral teachings was expressed, that this is a possibility we have something very sacred. So what do you see the future of in having in exploring? And I would think that you are obviously in business to sell these items. Talk about what you see the future, you know, like these these stones to be honored and obviously putting
a museum, that's overall the end goal for everything. You love to see this honored and respected. These stones are very delicate and they're very sacred. Beyond words, I'm creating my own personal visual archive right now so the world can have access to the images and what I've documented as of now. So I would like for these stones to be respected, right. I would like
for them to be researched and studied on a deeper level. Right. I would like a team of help because this is the lifetime worth of information. Yeah, I mean, is there someone out there right now that is beginning to decipher and interpret what this is all about. I think I'm at the forefront of this reach you, yeah, with how much I'd studied these stones. This right here, I'll give you a quick look at my book. So this is just a book of symbols is as a land awakening, and
every single stone tablet has these sacred images on them. This is the one of the half reptilian holding the DNA double helix. And so I think in some way, since these are all done in images, we can actually try to decipher them visually with a loss forgotten hieroglyphic light language where we're left to someone's intricate research and to connect dots with basically the Rosetta stone like information that we could then decipher what these these languages said. So this book is all
sim it's all visual symbols right that we can articulate visually. We don't need to speak that language. We can actually start to see what they were trying to share with us. These are all my persons, All these these are all sketches of all these items. Imagine the art and information that's on this important stone tablet right here. That would be me studying every single glyph on
that piece and putting it into this book. Show us in your suggestion of the most complex and unique item that you think is representative of this artwork. Well, some of the tablets have full let's see here, just choose one and talk to talk a little bit about it. Well, let's see more of the Egyptian like pieces, because one of the most important pieces to me, let's see if I can get to it, would be this symbol right here pointed out right here. Okay, so this is actually found on the
third eye of an elongated extraterrestrial. And why this is so unique is because after watching the Magical Egypt series, I found that through their research, they found that there was hidden symbolism encoded within the architecture and the shapes of the rams Sphinx of Carnas, and the ram sphinx is basically a sphinx that's the shape of a ram leading all the way up to the temple. I think there's about ten of those, and every single one is echoing with a goatee.
And if you zoom in on the rams sphinx got it's actually a pharaoh. And they were like, well, this is an interesting Why would they create the pharaoh at the goatee of the ram sphinx, and they echoed in even further and they showed the depiction of a brain stem, and that image itself was showing us the intelligence of what they were encoding into their artwork,
that they literally knew about the brain stem and its purpose. The brain stem allows the cerebral spinal fluid to flush into the ventricle of the brain that houses the pineal gland. And with that secretion of cerebral spinal fluid into that ventricle system, we then can have an activation that raises our consciousness. It's basically what activates the microcrystals of magnetite and calcite that are housed within that part of the brain. And so this right here is a simple version of the depiction
of the brain stem itself. And if I didn't see on that series the ram sphinx gote matching up with this shape itself, I would have never put that together. And even deeper would be how many different versions are they going to depict of that being an activation? Because even above where the brain stem
is, this is an extraterrestrial in that shape. He's now holding the all seeing I so Look, if they're explained to you that this activation of the cerebral spinal fluid up into that ventricle of the brain then activates your pineal gland. Okay, so they hid within this such sacred information, So they're all
there, they're all for you to decode. Basically, this is exactly what I've been doing visually, and so I'm trying to get to the bottom of what I can see visually because I can't necessarily decipher the ancient hieroglyphics just yet, right, So that's an important piece to me because that was one of my discoveries. Of course. Wonderful Joshua Sisler, fantastic, give us information your website how people can get a hold of you, and we'll let people
contact you if they're interested. Amazing. Yeah, I appreciate that. And yeah, you can find my book. It's going to be on my website at Ancient Azetland dot com. That's a N C I E N T A Z E LA N Ancient Aslan dot com. And also on my Instagram is Ancient as Alan and I have another page dedicated to my crystal work as well, and that is Stargate Keys, star Gate Keys and that one's also unique because that's in relation to the knowledge I would like to share about crystal consciousness.
Yeah, and in all reality, each one of our chakra points is actually a stargate, and with crystals we then open up our energetic vortex points. And so with a crystal, you actually have a key to open up your stargate. So stargate keys was the way that I could encode information, even into the name fantastic. Hey, Joshua, I appreciate you coming by and speaking with us. I was fascinated by your boothy of a great display, and much of luck to you, and thanks for coming by now,
I really appreciate it. Click. Yeah, you guys are amazing. I'm gonna keep following work and I appreciate what you do. No interview would be complete without photographic evidence of these artifact claims, and we got a good one for you. Joshua sent me a huge file of some of the best pieces that he's collected, and in his own words, some of them are from families that have kept them for generations, and so he bought them from the families. I have no idea what they cost. I have seen them on
eBay and most of them are extremely expensive. I'd say the smallest ones are a few hundred dollars, and the ones that are about as big as your hand are you know, several thousands of dollars. How they can claim, how they can justify charging that much, Well, they can do that because they're telling people that these are, you know, alien artifacts. And I don't think that eBay has a kind of judicial counsel to review what's being post so they you know, as long as the thing's not hurting anybody, I
think it's okay. The problem is a lot of this is very likely fake. We don't know how it's being fake, but it's it seems very odd to me. There's too many there's just too many questions, and so I firmly advise you to observe, consider, but stay clear of trying to purchase this stuff because I don't think I don't think it's valid. That's my personal opinion. And I would love it to be the real thing, you know, I really would. I would love to see these artifacts gain some kind
of legitimacy. But they're just not. They're just not And Mexico is desperately poor and high illiteracy rate there. It's just an area that's just desperate, desperate, desperate. So I wouldn't be surprised if someone broke into a home sometime and filmed families working on these items, you know. And the other thing is, and I deal with energy all the time. The other thing is, I've had a couple of sensitives hold onto these objects and they get
nothing, no sensitivity energy. And many of them have crystals or semi precious rocks, stones like raw garnets, raw rubies, courts, crystal. I think there's a few that have garnets. Now I don't know where they got those, but I guess, like I said, it's appealing the people's interest. So you know, it's just it's just a little too much. And so but I'm I'm here to educate. I'm here to show you what's out
there. And when you do see these galleries and you can relate to what's being posted on the internet, on eBay on other auction sites, you'll be ready. You'll be prepared again. The gallery is on Facebook or to Earth Ancients group or the international page, and I'll also have it on earth ancients dot com Facebook feed. See for yourself, see what you think, See if you think they're real. I mean there's a lot of people, well, excuse me, there's a handful of people who are credible. I mean
Scott Walter, who's a friend of mine. He thinks that the real McCoy. He had him, he had some of the glue tested. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know. You decide, send me an email. Tell me what you think when you look at the gallery to send your email to Earth Ancients for you. The number for the letter you at gmail dot com. Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com. Cliff, I think it's the real McCoy, or say whatever, tell me what you think. I'm really curious.
Hey, if you want to see the real thing, come out and join me. November tenth through the seventeenth. That's our annual Mexico tour. We have a couple of spaces left. This is the ancient Maya of Tabasco and Cheapis. We meet at Villa Homosa. We walk a few blocks to the outdoor Leventum Museum. We spend the day there. Then we bust to what I'm literally looking forward to, one of the Crown Jewels, of Maya dynasties. It's polank A, and polank A is the land where Lord Pacall,
the famous and king resides his tomb. Here there's a number of fascinating pyramids. First day we'll get a general tour, and then the second day, doctor Edwin Barnard, who actually excavated and surveyed Plank, is taking us on a special tour to areas that no one gets to see. That right there, is worth the cost of admission because you know what, no one's going to see this stuff, and only he knows where it is. I gotta
tell you, I've been to enough of Mayan ruins. When you go to a temple that hasn't been excavated, or you see a pyramid that has not been excavated, just to be around them is kind of cool because you see things that other people don't get to see. And one of the big problems worth excavating a temple is there's no blueprints. They don't know how it was built, so when they tear it down and begin to reconstruct it, they're guessing. So when you see it in its raw state, a little decomposed
here and there, it's kind of cool. Thousands and thousands of years old. For more information, go to earth Ancients dot com, Forward slash tours. All the itinerary is there, get your deposited as soon as possible. If you have any questions whatsoever, send me an email at Earth Ancients for You at gmail dot com. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. So that's a gonna be a fun one. We just announced our egypt tour. It is the Grand Egyptian Tour number five. It's gonna be
April twenty eight through May ninth. Get on board. That one is already half full. I can't believe it. This shows you what this COVID did the people. They really shut the planet down. We have a lot of people that are like, hey, I wanted to go, but I couldn't get on a plane. I just didn't feel comfortable whatever. So people, we got a big crowd already, which is great. So the Grand Egyptian Tour April twenty eight May ninth. For more information Earth Ancients dot com,
Forward slash Tours see the entire itinerary. Check it out. Let me know if you're interested and if you have any questions, Earth Ancients for You at gmail dot com. Finally, we have a first ever event, and we don't have the itinerary, but it's our Turkey. It's gonna be mid August twenty twenty four. I can't believe it. I have been getting email after email about this and I'm happy to say that sixty seventy percent four, which is fun, which is fun, so we may expand it to more people.
So Earth Ancients Turkey Tour is going to be mid August. We'll have specifics coming up shortly. We'll have details if you want information Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com. It's gonna be great fun. All right, that's it for this program. I want to thank my guest today, Joshua Sissler. He's an American who came to us I believe from New Mexico. As always, the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, and Chris Hazel. You guys are great, You rock, and I appreciate your help.
All right, take care of you well and we will talk to you next time.