Joseph Selbie: The Physics of God

This week we're looking at the holy science, according to Shri Yukoswar, that defines the previous epochs, their science, their levels of consciousness, how humans or Homo sapien sapiens existed in harmony with nature. Did you just give us an understanding of the previous epochs that go back hundreds of thousands of years in the past and show us that Homo sapien sapiens lived over one million years ago and according to many of the Yugos scientists, as far back as fifty million

years in the past. All this and more today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, October twenty first, twenty twenty four. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you come on in and have a seat. What you're doing well? Today? Today we're discussing the

early epochs of mankind and we are looking at it through the Yuga. This cyclic system developed in India and recently, well recent is in terms of updates, over one hundred years ago actually eighteen ninety four, revised by Shri Yuktaswar who was a cosmological astrological scientist. Now, the program we were featuring today is Joseph Selby's book just came out called The Physics of God. But the

fundamentals of this are the yugas. And what makes it of importance to us here on Earth agels, is the fact that it discusses mankind in the previous ex the previous ages that go back tens of thousands of years. In fact, the Hindus believe that Homo sapien sapien goes back fifty million years. We talk about great ages. This is a science that we can look at now. Shri Ukaswar wrote a book called The Holy Science over one hundred years ago.

It's only about twenty five pages. But what it does is realign the yogas so that we understand that we are in the correct age, which he calls which are called the dwar Pa Yoga. It's not the KLi yuga. Everyone thinks we're in the Cali yuga. Tupara Yugas are all about is energy, electricity, material, wealth, greed. Obviously, we're going through a lot of we're having a lot of problems right now. We're going through a lot of changes. And when we look at this, we see that we're

coming out of it. We still have about a thousand years, but we're starting to come out of it, and we're beginning to see a realization that practices like yoga, taichi, other body systems, and contemplative practices are becoming vogue again. And when we can go inward and tap the higher wisdoms, which include the Akashik records and other realities, then we're fulfilling our physical dimensions

of being on the planet at this time. Now, one of the things that is going to be discussed today is the fact that the ancients, the earlier epochs, combine religion and science in the same manner that we hear about the Dynasty Egyptians combining astronomy with astrology. Now, I've mentioned it many times that when we do our tours each year, we make almost a pilgrimage, you can say, in Dendera, Egypt. And this is a very very

old temple reused over thousands and thousands of years. It's called the Hathor Temple, and it's an astronomical temple, meaning that the roof and the upper sections are devoted to skywatching. There's unique megalithic stone work everywhere. I mean, it's built with massive sandstone and granite. But on the very top of the temple, the ceiling of the observatory area is a huge carving of the astrological figures and their importance to constellations, and we see this with different figures of

the constellations. We see this with very different planetary systems. We don't know actually how it was used, but we do know that it's an important marker. In fact, it was so important that when Napoleon was in the area and conquered the nomads who lived in that part of the world, he had the entire ceiling cut out and shipped to Paris, and you can see it today in the Louver, one of the world's most amazing museums. I had a chance to see it when I was there a couple of years ago.

It is a monstrosity, and the Egyptian authorities have wanted to have it brought back and have pleaded for it, but I doubt that it will be removed. What they have done is they've taken an impression, and so when you go there now you see an impression of the original ceiling that has been applied

to the original location. But this temple gives us a great deal of information about how the Egyptians sanctified the constellations, used astrology and astronomy to align their daily activities, as well as using it for prophecy, for forecasting and understanding where they sat at that time, you know, thousands of years ago, where their position was, and what they can probably look forward to. But the Yugas are something that has fascinated me for a long time because it is

again giving us a sense of mankind through these cycles and its height. It's almost like Homo sapient Saping develops into a godlike or a demigod like, being able to stretch the mind and understand what's going on around them and throughout the earth, very likely piercing the veil of the conscious and unconscious mind, tapping into the cloud database that we consider the Kashik records, and also likely working

with the celestial energies and developing technology and applying it. And this technology that I'm talking about tolluric energy, placing buildings on lay lines that are bubbling up this geomagnetic energy that we consider as teluric. And the one thing that is fascinating is if you go to these temples and hathor is one. The Osirian

is another one. Great Pyramid Kufu Pyramid is another one. But there's a lot of different buildings that we go to that are sitting on these lay lines, and at certain times of year, not all of them, some of

them have been damaged irreparably and they're not functioning anymore. But at Karnak, at Luxar, at Aswuan, Elephantine Island, many many, many places that are sacred to the ancient Egyptians were placed over these telluric fields that generated energy and enhanced these temples so that when you did go into them, you and you walked in there with an intention to know more, to be healed whatever. It actually enhanced the human physiology. And we get this occasionally at Hathor.

Hathor's not functioning to its capacity because it's been torn down and damaged through earthquakes, just through age, and we don't know how to keep these machines running. And this is the big deal that we're facing right now. The techniques, the knowledge to keep these temples and pyramids active has been lost to us. So I want to play a short audio from a video called Ancient Science of the Ages of Mankind and the Yugas with David Steinmanz. He's an

author and historian who has studied the Yugas. Just have a quick listen. It was sometime in the mid sixties that a friend Alane for several books on matters Hindu and I read them. One in particular stood out. It was a little, tiny book written over one hundred years ago by a Swamish for

your Teshwar. Now the book is full of virtual teachings, but there was an introduction to the book, just fourteen tiny pages, and it introduced a way of looking at history that was entirely different than anything I'd seen before. This idea of a succession of ages called Yugos, with each age having a different characteristic And I thought, oh, if this is true, I've got

to turn upside down so much that I thought I knew about history. So I kind of sat on it and looked, and you know, was a little bit skeptical, but just to watch, because here this thing had been sitting for like one hundred years and nobody seemed to be paying much attention to it. But gradually I began to see, as I learned a little bit about history, that things began to fit. Each age changes to the next age at a time when the history book said it was a turning point.

And what resulted was a framework which has a place not only for facts that are generally accepted and known, but also things that seem to be anomalies, things that don't seem to fit. And what was more important is it gives direction and sense to all those things that happened in history. You know, in the you know, we learned history is just one thing after another without any particular connection. But with his system, it has purpose and direction,

and I found that fascinating. It turns out it's a little different than the Yuga system that is currently traditional in India. But what U Teeshwar did was restore something that was even older. And as years went by, I began to talk about the Yugas in the eighties and you know, time went on, ah and I learned more and more UH and now I teach a course in it actually, And so when the opportunity came to UH to work with Joseph Selby and putting together a book, that was a wonderful, wonderful thing.

And I really have enjoyed the association because I think Shrek Teshwar's message is not just intended for a few spiritual devities. It's a message for the whole world. It's a message that shows us that what's happening around us has meaning. That the the the the things that are current history, the problems that are that that is facing us, are problems to help us learn, and in each age we'll learn more. And it turns things around in history from

what we're taught. Because well, consider the development of agriculture now. But that is a great is a great advance. But perhaps before that people had a better relationship with the animals and the plants, and maybe they just didn't need to eat so much. Maybe agriculture was making do for the loss of something, a loss of a consciousness that was more holistic, that was more

unified with nature, or the invention of writing. Perhaps before the writing was invented, they didn't need it. I've presumed that ancient people were just as intelligent as we are, maybe more. But in time came when there was a change in the mental power in the consciousness, and then writing was necessary. And so these changes don't require any change of facts, but you can see them in a whole new light and In that light, you can see

that we're moving forward, that this is on the upswing. Is our present time is moving toward a time of higher consciousness. Oh, things seem to be getting worse around us all the time, but that's because we're living in a time of increased energy, which is energizing all the negative stuff that we've

got to leave behind, and that'll happen. So this message of the Yugas, I believe began to understand more and more, is something that treet Teshwar was giving to the world, and yet it hasn't really come out yet. But in this book The Yugas, we can introduce it to you and I think you'll find it just as exciting as I have. By the way I mentioned it earlier. But again, this book that Shri Yukuswar wrote is called The Holy Science. It's about twenty four pages, but each page is packed

with some pretty powerful stuff. I would suggest getting a copy if you're interested in the Yugas and it's realignment through Shri Yukuswar, and you can get it on Amazon, would you believe? So? Check that out. So today's program is the Physics of God, and my guest is Joseph Selby. A few years ago, I had an author on the program who wrote a book called The Yugas. His name is Joseph Selby, and I've been fascinated by the Eastern philosophy of Yugas for many, many years. I can't quite explain

him, and there's conflicts regarding one version over another. But we have Joseph back on the program who has written a new book called The Physics of God, Unifying quantum physics, consciousness, m theory, heaven, neuroscience, and transcendence. Now that's a mouthful right there, but this book covers a great deal and I wanted to have Joseph back. I realized that I haven't had him on the program for almost nine years since the publishing of that first book,

The Yugas. And this is an important book, The Physics of God, because he is looking at it not only from current scientific theories and views of quantum theories and consciousness, but also from a spiritual perspective, which really makes this an important book because, as you'll learn today, there's an aspect of spirituality, science and consciousness that all go hand in hand. And as you'll learn this all kind of fits into one package. So Hey, Joseph,

welcome back to Earth. Ancient's great to see you. Thanks for having me back. Cliff really appreciate being here. I got to ask you. You take on a great deal in this book, and in the opening of the book you describe your childhood as being surrounded by PhDs, mds, quite a scientific profile of a family tree. And this has obviously influenced you. But at some point you what was it that you just had too much of it and you were beginning to look at the Eastern philosophy. How did you

talk a little bit about how you have evolved as a person. Well, there was one highly influential experience that I had when I was in college. I went into college thoroughly expecting that I would get a degree and something science oriented. I was a majoring in molecular biology, which was a fascinating subject. I was really enjoying it. And as you alluded already, I have strong science background just from my family. Their approach to life was very much

science oriented. And at the same time, and this will date me as a child of the late sixties early seventies, I was taking hallucinogenic drugs for fun, you know, just as recreational drug as most of the other people who I was with in college were doing, and I started to have several experiences that were more profound than recreational, until I finally had one that was extremely deep in the sense that I felt like I was tuning into who I

was deep down and that I couldn't have described it in these words at the time, but I can't understand that I was, you know, touching into a universal soul that goes beyond just the physical body, beyond the mind and thoughts and into an expanded awareness. I wasn't sort of cosmically conscious, where you know, I was out in the galaxies and not here. But nonetheless, even though I was here and I was with people, I felt as

if I were a part of those infinite realms. And it brought with it enormous satisfaction, sense of well being, feeling of peace, just an abiding sense of happiness and joy. And this was such an amazing experience I have not forgotten any of it to this day. That it really set me almost about face in the middle of my college years to try to experience more of

that. I knew that while a hallucinogenic drug may have given me a glimpse of it that hallucinogenic drugs were not going to keep me going in the direction I wanted to go. And so that's when I started diving into the teachings of Barmhannta Yogananda. And that's the connection to the Yugas, because the Yugas is I explain them in the book The units Ore ex does teacher street Teshwar.

So that hallucinogenic experience sent me on this path of more inner spiritual exploration, and that eventually led me to live in a spiritual community called Ananda here in northern California. But nonetheless, I never lost my interest in and respect for science as a method of discovery and as a method of verification of discoveries. So what began to happen for me not long after this sort of about

face was that I began seeing two sides of everything. I began seeing the inner spiritual side, and I began to see how that connected to the world is described by science, and the world particularly is described by physics that is a little bit bigger in its picture than say biology or geology that focus on

the kind of the hearing. Now in this world, physics goes well beyond, and in fact, the more I got into it, the more fascinating it was for me to realize that many physicists have a very profound, high minded, spiritual view of reality, not that they brought with them to physics, but that physics gave them as they dived into some of these deep, deep questions about the origin of the universe and the relationship of the human mind

and consciousness to physical reality. So it's been a wonderful kind of pairing for me, the spiritual side and the scientific side that has been with me all my life. I want to mention this real quickly that the Ananda group is. It's in northern California. It's a community. I know them well, having been the program director for Whole Life Expo here in San Francisco and having various members of the community here speak and talk about their perspective on reality.

But more importantly, it really feels like this book, The Physics of God is a chapter out of Shri Yukoswarz The Holy Science in his perspective. Now it's not entirely from his book, but I want to just read the introduction

to his book. He calls us the purpose of the book. He says, the purpose of this book is to show as clearly as possible that there isn't a sensual unity in all religions, that there is no difference in the truth inculcate inculcutated by the various faiths, that there is but one method by which the world, both external and internal, has evolved, and that there is but one God admitted by all scriptures. That's kind of that that the focal point of his book. And I'm wondering, I really, as far

as I've gotten in your book am enjoying it. Is it the need to help people understand that our current science, be it quantum physics, physics in general, unified theory, so forth, is made up of the same components but just in a different language. Or help me get a sense of what you're trying to do for the reader of this book, because I think it's fantastic. Well, I had sort of two audiences in mind when I wrote the book. One audience that I know from family members, friends that are

sort of outside of my spiritual circle, particularly work colleagues. I started a business that took me all over the United States and into Europe doing web design projects, for large corporations, and so I ran into many, many people, and as you do, you know, you go out to dinner with them, you talk about their family and friends, and every now and again the conversations come back to, you know, why are we all here,

what are we doing? What's our purpose? And I found again and again that there were people who would almost literally say this word for word, I'd like to be able to believe in God, but I can't see how it

fits in with science. And I thought, you know, as somebody who's made that connection and bridged that seeming divide between the two, I always thought it was such a shame that people would see science as a barrier to being able to experience a very fulfilling, life affirming, life expanding connection to spirit that is just a natural one that all of us can have, and yet they back away from it because of that. So that was one audience.

The other audience was that I found a lot of people who embrace spiritual teachings aren't put off by science, but they would really like to know how they go together, almost on a level of fascination and inspiration. You know, how can these two seemingly different world actually be united? And as I say in the in the book, there there can be and only is one reality. There's not a reality for scientists and a reality for people who are interested

in God in the spiritual path. There's only one reality. So there has to be ways that these come together. And so that was really the purpose of the book was to reach those two different groups. Yeah, I love it. What is your definition of religious science? What would you say when you say, and you talk about this in the book with getting into the

Holy Science, what is your take on this? Well, it's a really excellent question because my starting point with most people who think that there is a conflict between science and religion is to start by trying to clarify what religion is

and isn't and what science is and isn't. So starting with science, a lot of people mistakenly think that there is a official, agreed upon view of reality that has been proven out without any doubts, that describes all of the reality that we live in from a scientific point of view as matter and energy interacting and that's that's it. They've sown it all up. They have this perfectly cohesive picture of reality, and it doesn't include spirit, doesn't include God.

Doesn't include anything subtle, and that's just the way it is. But that's not actually true. That is the interpretation of what is actually a minority of scientists, big minority, forty one percent according to Pew, and it was done in two nine, so I don't know what it is now. But that strong minority of scientists are the ones who say, this is what

science is, this is what reality is based on science. But the other sixty percent of scientists understand that there's room for different interpretations of the same discoveries.

So a scientist who has that material bias sees in the latest discovery confirmation that everything is matter and energy and nothing more, where scientists who have a broader perspective think, well, that may indicate that that could be the nature of consciousness, that could be the origin of consciousness, that could be some clue as to how consciousness fits into this smaller picture of just matter and energy.

So the first thing you have to do if you want to understand the connection is to understand that one, not all scientists agree on what all those discoveries collectively mean, and two that everyone's take on them is an interpretation of the discovery, and they can be very convincing interpretations, but some of them

are labored, like their interpretation of where consciousness comes from. You know, they're just absolutely convinced that consciousness is born in the physical brain as a product of neurons interacting with neurons setting up electrical fields or perhaps more subtle, quantum energy fields, and that that interaction creates consciousness and everything we experience, our thoughts, our feelings, our perceptions, our minds, I view, you

know, just seeing reality as one seamless hole, that all these are the product of that. But if you dig into it much at all, you'll find that there's absolutely no proof that consciousness originates from the brain. There's speculation, there's a commitment to it by materialists, but there's very little proof. So that is an opening, if you will, to think about, well,

what other realities could there be that could be creating this consciousness? And that opens the door for further discovery and kind of reduces this tenacious grip that

science seems to have on many people's thoughts and minds. But the issue is, and you bring this up at the very beginning of your book, is that the scientific material materialism, which is the foundation for the scientific method is what we live with right now, and it's so completely limiting that we are losing tons of other data, especially in the study of consciousness and other exotic disciplines, so that we're bogged down with this. How do we get out

of this? How do we move is it? Is it the discovery method that we that we move out of it? Because if you use the site and you mentioned this in your book, you give a great example, and you just mentioned it. When we're studying, when they're studying consciousness, they have nowhere to go, they have nowhere to start and order to finish, and you can't you can't reproduce it, you know, you can't reproduce an experiment to quantify it. So talk a little bit about our current state of

scientific materialism. Well, scientific materialism is that the philosophical term that gives a broader sort of meaning to the thought that people are materialists. It means that they're committed to the view that matter and energy and their interactions between matter and energy are the only reality there is and can be, and therefore everything else has to be able to be explained by it. If that's all there is,

then it must be able to explain consciousness. It must be able to explain the origin of life, it must be able to explain the origin of the universe. But it doesn't. Now, if you have a conversation with somebody who's committed to scientific materialism, they'll just say, well, it's just a matter of time. They'll figure it out. They're smart people, they'll

make the right discoveries and then you'll see. But that isn't really an inevitable product of the scientific method, because the scientific method has been used with the same degree of exactitude to discover adomilies in that materialist point of view as it has been to create the convictions that they have that it's material. Let me

give you one example. There were a series of experiments done. It's been a while now, but I'm not exactly sure when where two subjects were asked to meditate together and they meditated together for I don't know, fifteen to twenty minutes something like that, and that at the end of their meditation they agreed to stay connected. Now that sort of would drive a material crazy because the materialist will say, well, what does that mean that they agreed to stay

connected? I mean, that has no meaning. But the next step in The experiment was to put the two subjects well apart from each other in different rooms where they could neither see nor hear each other, and they were in Faraday cages. Fara day cages block out electromagnetic frequencies, so it would be impossible for them to have fraudulently brought in you know, little tiny radios or

microphones are in some way been communicating with each other. And then they were put into identical EEGs electro and cephalographs measuring you know, activations in brain waves, the basis of a lie detector test, and one of the subjects, but not both, was hit with a bright flash of light and their reading on their EEG spiked. As you would imagine, it was very startling. They didn't know was coming and blam out, you know, you get this

blast of light in your eyes. Well fifty percent of the time, the other subject in the other cage, in the other room also had a spike

at exactly the same instant. So how do you explain that materially? And there are many other experiments, but my initial point there was to say they applied the scientific method, because it's just a methodical means of discovering things and so you can use that to uncover more and more about consciousness and thoughts and emotions, or you can use it to keep learning more and more about the

atom. It will work in any direction. The problem that you're pointing out is that the materialists simply aren't interested in discoveries like the one I just described, And if you bring it up with them, we'll bring up the tried and true must have been so sloppy science, or it must have been fraud. And that's just you know, without seeing how the experiment was conducted, what kind of controls were put in to make sure it worked, and how

many subjects it experienced it. But if they gave it a real look, they would have had to admit this was rigorous science. This was the scientific method applied appropriately. But they're simply not interested. And probably if you got them in private and they'd had a quick one or two, they just laugh at it and say, what a colossal waste of time. There just are no answers outside of matter and energy. So it's a belief system that they

operate in. But if you were to tell them it was a belief system, they'd be outraged, say, we don't work off a belief we test rigorously. The fact is they won't test everything rigorously. They only test in the arena that they believe to be the realm of reality. I think this

is a universal problem right now because it's a limited paradigm. And if we look at the previous epoch, which I leave is in the ruins of the Great Pyramid and the number of temples and other anomalies that our current science cannot explain. And this goes into archaeology, egyptological research, and things like that. They can't move beyond the scientific method to look at this earlier epoch that likely had a different science, likely had a different level of consciousness. And

I think we're at the cusp of understanding them. But unfortunately, the bearers of the of the creed, of the crime, of the crest of science belongs to these limited scientific groups. And it's just really frustrating. What do you say to that. Well, I think you put your finger on it. It's just that they are in the driver's seat of science right now and they really don't want to go try to investigate things in realms. One they

don't believe in, but two they're afraid. I think that it's a morass, that they will find themselves unable to prove or disprove things, and that they'll be uh, they'll be considered the guys that they used to laugh at, right, they'll be that they'll be considered the paranormal types out there with funny antennas and tinfoil hats. You know that they don't want to be seen as the crackpot scientists because they have, you know, careers that they value

and they want the respect of their peers. So it's a very hard group

to expect to change because there's a lot of commitment there. But luckily there are scientists and there is funding, although very little, that allows for these more open minded scientists to make discoveries like the one I mentioned, and to take a look at things in the past as you were describing, and ask harder questions about you know, how on Earth is it possible that these people could have built a building the Great Pyramid that is so massive, was so

beautiful, completely clad in white limestone, and remain the largest building in the world for thirty eight hundred years. Now, you just explain that as a bunch of people coming really stumbling out of the Neolithic, the New Stone age and suddenly said, well, let's you know, we've got nothing better to do. Let's build this perfect, enormous building so that when our beloved leader dies we can stick him in there. You know, there's no prior history

of doing that kind of thing with leaders. It doesn't last. You know, there really is no evidence that any of the pyramids were used as burial tombs. But scientists, again there's the same division. There are the the sort of mainstream archaeologists who just don't want to imagine, don't even want to consider that there were more subtle things going on that they might not understand, And they're the open minded archaeologists who you know, see real possibilities for higher

consciousness to have been the real explanation for these marvels of the past. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will be right back with my guest today, Joseph Selby, discussing his new book, The Physics of God. We'll be right back, Okay.

My guest today is author Joseph Selby, who has written a new book called The Physics of God, which looks into the Yugas but also how today's science is complimentary to what we understand as religion, but more to the point, how to understand the earlier epics and their achievements as human beings. You do talk about this in your The Yugos book. The other thing is, and I have to remember this, we're not in Cali Yuga right now.

We're in Dwarpara Yuga, and this is still a challenging period that we're in. So we we talk a little bit about that because that that has to do with some of the some of the thinking that we're currently dealing with. Well, then one of the kind of core things we can learn from the Yugos is that there is a decending cycle, an ascending cycle. So half

a circle, if you will. Mankind as a whole is going from a high point of consciousness and then gradually descending for twelve thousand years to a low point of consciousness, and then from that low point there's an ascending arc that goes back to that high level of consciousness that also takes twelve thousand years.

So according to Sriac Tashwar, the cycle that we're in now hit its naydier in five hundred AD, so we have been on the upswing for fifteen hundred years approximately, And if you look at just those fifteen hundred years, you can see that mankind has wrap evolved, civilizations have improved, We've seen the Renaissance, We've seen similar things in India and China. And then come the nineteen hundreds, just this radical transformation took place in the world where we started

using electricity, we started understanding that matter is energy. We started exploiting that knowledge with the invention of various ways in which we could communicate more rapidly and more at greater distances. Until now, just as you and I are doing, we're talking in real time hundreds maybe thousands of miles apart, and we think nothing of it that But in nineteen hundred this would have just been a

fantasy. So that is just one thread of howvialization has exploded. Well, sriak Tashwar says, not only have we been on the upswing that in nineteen hundred, mankind as a whole would go through a significant change of consciousness that would allow them to appreciate that matter was really energy. And we appreciate that on a level of the laws of physics. But we also see it sort of being put to work. We exploit matter to become energy in nuclear power

generation, et cetera. So I think that this, you know, kind of known dissent and then ascent gives us a glimpse of where we might be going because we can look into the past and ask where they'd in. So we're at the very beginning of ascending. What part are you? Which is often called the energy age. So if we look back in time and we ask ourselves what things were like at the end of decending to what part are yga? That can give us a little bit of an indicator of what we're

going through now and where we might go in the future. So one of the indicators is that at the end of twa para yuga, which ended at about seven hundred BC two hundred three hundred years prior to that, so say one thousand BC to seven hundred BC, we saw what's known as the Bronze Age collapse. So the Bronze Age collapse saw the end of literally hundreds of

you might think of them as you know, tie any civilization. They all had their own languages, they all had their own territory, and they disappeared. They were either conquered or they died out until by the end of the Bronze Age wasn't much left. So in our period of time from roughly seventeen hundred to where we are now, we have seen the rapid change in nation states, just one after the other. You know, we saw the rise of the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Soviet Union. We've seen the

rise of colonialism and the collapse of colonialism. We've seen all these changes to nation states. Now we're improving rather than devolving, so we're likely to come out with some degree of equable consolidation, if not soon, at least maybe in the next hundred years, this rapid change among you know, national units,

political units is likely to slow down and even stop. The other thing that I think we can see for our time now, and is a very welcome thing, is that, in addition to our age being the energy age, because of our knowledge and understanding of physical laws that reveal energy to be the underpinning of a matter, we also have changed in consciousness to where we

can directly and personally perceive subtle energy. Now you've probably done this, You've probably let people in doing this where you read, you know, you read your hands together. Then you close your eyes and you can gradually move your palms just almost touching and pulling them apart, and you actually start to feel something. It's like there's a presence there that gets compressed when you're pulling your hands together and gets a little stretched out when you pull them apart. I

believe that's subtle energy that you're feeling. I also believe that in the yoga before this one, the Collie yoga, if you had asked people to do that, they wouldn't have felt anything. They would have been unable to be aware of subtle energy. And that is the real gift of Dwapara you get to us, is that we as individuals are more aware of our subtle energy.

And this is the main reason why we're seeing things like alternative healing that involves you know, acupuncture, awakening chi and in our meridians, and chiropractic which does a very similar sort of thing by manipulating the spine and other parts of the body. But we also see people meditating because you can feel and focus your own subtle energy into higher centers in the body and gain by it

and enjoy it. If we look to the past in Dwapara yuga. All of this existed then, and in fact today we're borrowing many of the forms that were in use in this And this is interesting that you bring this up because I learned meditation when I was a teenager from Maharishi mish Yogi, and

I couldn't I could not have done any other type of yoga. He hybrid tied the whole thing for twenty minute, twice a day program rather than the traditional many hours or sometimes days, right and so, and I don't know how many millions of people turned on to that, but this form of meditation was very beneficial for a young person whose attention span is about you know this short, very short, right and and so there's a subtle current. And

I wonder about that you're feeling. You're talking about this now as people are meditating? What this what what our world is beginning to look like? With all these meditators online? You know? What is that beginning to look like?

What do you see as an observer? Well, if the past is any indicator, this will become more and more of the normal way in which everyone practiced their their spirituality, that their spirituality will be based on direct experience rather than solely on belief, and that medicine will be a complimented more and more by people learning to work with that subtle energy to improve their health.

And that I think by the time we get into the heart of to a part of Yuga, which you know, could be another hundreds of years, a thousand years from now, those things like it was in the past, like it was in with additional Chinese medicine, with the various philosophies of China that supported a meditative, interior sort of approach to spirituality, echoed in India, echoed in Egypt like it was then, we will see it in our flapara in the future, where the predominant way in which people live is with

and through attainment to more subtle realities within ourselves real quickly, How did he or how did the Yugos develop? I mean, Yukoshwar was a Vedic astrologer, and that's a science in itself, although we don't here in the West, do not recognize it as a science. But how would he be able to extract or how was the data for these ages of man extracted? Was it archaeological or astrologically focused data or were they tapping into the Akashik records and

finding these various periods of man's development. Well, Spirit Teshwar indeed was an astrologer, and there are elements of his knowledge of astrology in his description of the yugas, but he also attributes the core concept to having been in the ancient Vedic scriptures, and they're described not only conceptually, but various ages are given their names, and the lengths of those ages are also specified. So spiritt Ar took that, and then I think he sort of calibrated where we

are in that cycle from his astronomical and astrological knowledge. Okay, so he tied it all in on a scientific method real quickly. Then I want to move on to quantum science. But when he's working on these yogas, is he looking for corresponding data to confirm these time periods? So, in other words, maybe there's some writing from a person who was alive, But in the periods that we've passed that are tens of thousands of years in the past. Does he look at a temple and align it with data? How can

he correspond these periods of time in some form of scientific method? Well, I wish he had, But as far as I know, and I would love to find out I'm wrong. And there's some secret tone as of yet undiscovered in his belongings where he, you know, makes that effort to connect the specific things with different parts of the Yugas. But what he mostly concentrated

on was the immediate future. And he was writing from the end of the eighteen hundreds and the immediate past of like two hundred years before him, right, And he used that as a, you know, a good illustration of how mankind had passed out of the material age of color yoga and into the energy age. And there's a lot of fascinating information in there, but it's very short. I don't know if you've seen that. I've kind of scanned through the Holy Science. Yeah, it's just the first sixteen pages. It's

not at all. It's not very much at all. So no, he didn't really do that. But on the other hand, he was a highly intuitive spiritual master. And you get the feeling that I get the feeling having you know, read his other works and read all the things that yoga on To said about three of Teshwar was that he was a man of cosmic vision. So this would have been something that I'm sure, he intuitively felt was true, even if he didn't get into the specifics of kind of anchoring it

to actual data. What do you real, quickly, Joseph, I mean, do you believe there's an a Kashik field, a Kashakh records that has all the previous president and future data? Yes, it's hard to believe, isn't it. But it's insane. I've had a lot of people on the program talk about it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it because I don't have an understanding of what the key is to get in and access

this day this day. So I keep having people like yourself on to tell me how, Tell me how, and maybe it'll come up in a meditation. Aha, you know what I mean? Well, I think one way to describe it is that our memories in this life are also in the acacia layer. Science would have it that our memories are started the brain, but

it's another theory that has absolutely no basis in any proven scientific fact. Memories if you think of them as similar to computer memories, and think of the brain as a computer one movie, the amount of storage it would take to store one movie would fill our whole brain. But yeah, so we're already

making records in the Acashak records in this lifetime. So people who can access more of the Akashaak record generally do so because they're able to either inter temporarily into a state of consciousness where they're not aligned with their body and this sort of smaller version of ourselves, or like great masters who are always not aligned with that one small aspect of themselves and breaks them free from just accessing their

own memories, their own memories of this life. So you're you're already accessing the Nukashiak records. I just don't know it. You just don't know it. You know, it's funny real quickly. It said that Einstein, Tesla, some of the great minds of the Western culture got their greatest ideas either in a light sleep or in dreams or whatever. But you have to wonder if maybe they were tapping into the Akashik records and downloading, because we know

Tesla downloaded very advanced machines that he could not conceive of. But there's one example, which is the Warrencliffe Tower in New York, where he was trying to make energy free bright enhancing the atmosphphere with particles that could drive a plane, a boat, a car, or whatever. I think he was way ahead of himself by perhaps a couple hundred years. And obviously free energy was not what Westinghouse or whoever was backing them at that time was wanting to do.

So he lost his fund. Yeah, well, he he was quite a character. His His benefactor there that was giving him the money to build that enormous tower actually thought he was doing something else entirely. Tesla just told him that that's what he was doing, when in fact he was trying to broadcast electricity. So it was in my mind he deserved to lose that funding. He was he was, I didn't know that he was leaving his financers. That that is not a good sign, not a good thing, not

anything. But I think that I would draw a distinction that the way in which I understand the acotic record is that it has to do with memories of lifetimes, where I think what Einstein and Tesla and other geniuses are tapping into our eternal truths. Now, this may be a bit of a quibble if you don't believe either one's possible, but I think there is a significant difference that we all have the intuitive capability to tap into really deep truths, no

matter our education, no matter our reason. It's not something that we can do lightly. Takes a lot of concentration and a lot of determination. But to use the phrase in a different way, the truth is out there. The truth is not something that has been created by civilized man. The truth is out there and is always accessful, fascinating. Let's talk about a positive that you write about in your book. It's quantum physics, more specifically quantum

mechanics, which is the intelligent observer. The breakthroughs in this field are wonderful. It's much more flexible. Scientists can go outside their fields and start working in things like remote viewing, and in fact, I've even heard about a quantum computer that's in a theoretical stage, but apparently they're maybe they're getting close

to actually producing it. What is the beauty of this form of science, Well, in many ways, what quantum physics contributed most centrally to the understanding of all physicists, not just quantum physicists, is that there is a reality that and it's described in many ways, and its relationship is described in many ways. But that reality is called non locality. And I might be unusual in picking non locality as the you know, prin simple contribution that quantum physics

gave to our world. But prior to this notion that there could be a reality, to hold off for a minute as to what that reality is. But the notion that there could be a reality separate from the physical universe, or beyond the physical universe, or in which the physical universe existed, is a huge step beyond relativity and classical physics. So non locality is a very awkward word, and when you first hear it, it has no intuitive meaning

to you. It's unlikely to have any intuitive meaning to you because what it was meant to describe was a reality where local behavior stopped happening and non local behavior started happening. So local behavior is all what we think of as classic physical laws, the way the law of gravity works, the lay of the way the laws of electromagnetic magnetism work, that with which we're very comfortable with

which we have done amazing things. We've transformed the world modern society. It rests on uh the abilities to exploit electromagne magnetism and matter and gravity the way it has but quiet the physics says, yes, that's all real, but there's this other reality that doesn't behave the same way. And this is where you get what's known as quantum weirdness, where you have the observer paradox, which says matter and energy, uh are two sides of the same coin.

So what we think of is matter an atom can also behave like energy, And what we think of as energy, like light, can also behave like matter. This matter energy duality is weird, right, because we don't we don't see our toaster suddenly turn into a you know, a waveform. We

don't we don't see this behavior in our everyday experience. But in these very very controlled experiments, experiments where they're looking at you know, one photon or one atom or uh, you know, maybe a thousand photons and a thousand

atoms, but still infinitesimally tiny, uh. Subjects of the experiments, they begin to see this behavior, and they notice that things only behave as matter when there is an intelligent observer or an intelligent observation has taken place, and that otherwise they behave everything behaves as energy, and that when it behaves as energy, it is also non local. And when it behaves as matter or

particles. It's local. So these are mind bending distinctions made but for the purposes of my book, and I'm by no means, you know, the first one or only one to have these kind of insights about non locality and

locality. But for the purpose of my book, it's a great start point to understand how there can be other subtle realms, how there can be an akashic realm, how there can be a pure energy realm, how there can be heavens, how there can be someplace for us to go between lives or at the end of a life, and non locality and later sort of iterations of quantum physics that include string theory, and as part of string theory, m theory posit that this other non local realm is full of energy, it's

brimming with energy, and it's essentially infinitely larger than our physical universe, and that an unlimited number of physical universes could exist in it, like bubbles in an ocean. So this takes us, you know, miles parsecs light years from being confined to this physical universe alone as being the only reality which was big enough, right, I mean, this physical universe is mind bendingly large and for it to be only one relatively tiny part of a much larger reality.

I found really open people up to the notion that there could be much greater realities, that God's existence could be in this kind of dimensionless infinity that even gives rise to non locality as large and as extent as it is, which then in turn gives rise to the physical universe. The books called The Physics of God. My guest today has been Joseph Selby. This is not going to be easy to answer, but I'm going to give it to you just straight and you can spit it out as briefly as you want. How

do we know with quantum physics? You were explaining how we create reality. Basically, we're constantly creating our own environment, and the pluses and the minuses. The conventional science cannot explain that. Quantum physics begins to explain that, doesn't it? Yes, And conventional physics is also called classical physics, and

it works perfectly well within the physical universe. But as soon as you posit as quantum physicists have that in order for the physical universe to behave the way it does, needs to be this other non local reality, and as soon as you accept that there has to be this other realm, then it opens us up to speculate, what are these laws, how does this extra region,

this extra large reality beyond our own actually function? And that has been really the realm primarily of string theorists, an m theorists, where quantum physicists tend to be focused on still understanding how the energies that form an atom work together to form the atom, and that that's where we get things like the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, you know, where they're smashing atoms to bits,

so to speak. But all of these new frontiers and physics tend to take us farther and farther beyond just the material universe because they have to. They keep looking for the ultimate cause for why our universe behaves the way it does, and they find new causes, but not ultimate causes, and then they keep they keep going, you know, looking for what is that ultimate cause? And I believe the ultimate cause they're going to find is consciousness and

God. And there's a lot of physicists out there who also believe that. So it's it's it's exciting stuff, it's broadening stuff, it's mind bending stuff. But I think it's just part of the process of finding and understanding the true nature of reality, that is that is far greater than just this universe.

I love that. Before I we leave you, I wanted to ask you about Michael Krimo's book Forbidden Archaeology and his discovery of a modern Homo sapien sapien found in some deep recesses of a coal mine, that it was a modern Homo sapien sapien that dated over a million years. Would we use the yugas to validate something like that, a modern human that has lived over a million years, because of course the Yugas cycled endlessly, right or do they

just do? Yeah, there's no limit. And in fact, Yogananda rather mind blowingly said that civilized man, he used the term civilized man has existed on Earth for over fifty million years. Fifty million, fifty million modern Homo sape us, well, not necessarily modern, well but by mosathiens, but civilized man self aware. Is that what you just find I think you would have to be to have civilization to be I'm just wondering what your definition of

civil civilized man is though, Well, it's not Hunters and gatherers. I think it would have to be beyond hunters and gathers. Okay, that's okay. Yeah. So would that would that encompass a language? Yeah, that would suggest, you know, many of the things that not all of the things that we think of as civilization, you know, groups of people working

together language, right, not necessarily a particular level of technology. But because of the Yugas, and he was saying this in the context of the Yugas, he knew that things like technology would wax and wayne, but the notion that there was civilized man would not necessarily have to laxingly hmm, fascinating. I want to mention that Joseph will be at Sea Pack this weekend. That's

the consciousness and a precision of the Equinox conference. It will be in the Palm Desert, but you also can see it as a streaming media format. It's a SEAPAC, c p a K dot com and you can pay to see him. Other noted people will be Graham Hancock, Hugh Newman, Mark, our own Marco Vigato will be there and they have a great, great lineup and we'll find refresh our memory. Joseph, what day are you speaking on the on the program, I'll be Saturday morning, I'll be the kickoff

speaker, so I think okay, and just uh one qualification there. Although everything will be streaming, the only exception to that will be Graham Hancock's talk. Oh thank you for that. Thanks for reminding me. How can people get ahold of you? Give us the website and your contact, your social media contexts. So my website is very easy. It's Joseph Selby dot com.

So my spelling of Selby is somewhat unusual. You may have seen it as excuse me, s E l B Y, but my spelling is s E l B I E. So Joseph Selby s E l B I E dot com. I have all kinds of articles there. You can learn about my other books. You can have access to a couple of courses that I've done, one on the Yugas and one on the Physics of God. And that's a starting point for everything. My books pretty much are all in audible kindle and print format and where wherever books are found, so to speak.

And I want to put a praise for the audible version of this new book, The Physics of God, very well narrated, very well narrated and very detailed a book, but the narration really makes it flow quite nicely. So I'm not sure if you had a role in that or not, Joseph, but it's fun to listen to. I'm glad it came out well, great, well listen. Fantastic my success on this book, and let's have you back a lot sooner than nine years. Huh, it'll be my pleasure.

That's obvious that I am fascinated by the Yugas and everything to do with them. I think that when we look at these Yogis who actually leave civilization and going in the mountains and they contemplate for months, years and then they come back, we're looking at humans that have tapped into the deep recesses of the brain and through meditative practices, are actually reaching high levels of function. And you know, you read about these these being able to control their breathing and

their heart rate. I even read somewhere that some of these guys can stop their hearts or slow them down so that the heartbeats barely noticeable. And that takes a tremendous amount of practice to do something like that. But even more so when we hear about this book The Holy Science by Shri Yukuswar. Here is somebody who, through contemplating Medica, is actually accessing the higher realms.

And when you look at I mean, for me, the Yugas explained the previous civilizations, the previous epochs, and gets a little a bit of a challenge when you start looking at dates that go back tens of thousands of years and you have to wonder what the hominins the humans on earth are about. Well, if you read the details of the Yugas, higher are the lighter

vibrations or the periods where humans are almost like demigods. We're talking about being able to comprehend what's going on around the world without being there by locating, which means that you're in one place and your body can be another place. Tapping into universal mind. In this case, we now know that that is used to be what is universal mind? Well, we now know that that's

the Akashik records. We talked about Tesla Einstein, you know, and these these great geniuses are able to tap into it without a great deal of problem. They're not calling it the Kashik records. They're calling it something else, perhaps in their dreams, perhaps in meditation. Perhaps in perhaps different levels of consciousness, we don't know, But for me, it's becoming very obvious that if you can quiet your brain through some meditative practice, you are beginning to

access the higher realms of the brain. And that's the other thing, you know. I talked about meditating, learning how to do transidental meditation when I was in my teens. I think I was eighteen, and using this technique not only to quiet my brain, but lo and behold to access these higher realms. Not that I'm getting a noticeable download, but when you're meditating,

you are quieting your brain. You're quieting the noise outside and around you, and without really knowing what's going on, because when you meditate, you're just for me. There's a there's a mantra and the word that I was given it's a sound is specific for me and my physiology and it and it quiets my brain, reduces the clutter the noise, and allows me for just twenty minutes of the morning twenty minutes at night to to connect. So there's there's

a ton of literature on meditation and its benefits. I don't think we know quite how powerful it is, but the earlier epochs were less technologically focused, more individually focused. And this is where we're getting amazing consciousness, likely connecting with other intelligences, you know, and here we are at this point. Could because we're in a technological age. The other intelligences are flying around in UAPs. So how do we connect? You know? How do we connect?

The other thing is, if you've been listening to Destiny for the next three weeks, we're doing connecting. What we're doing the an Alien Experience ending with Whitley Strieber the first week of November. If you haven't caught that, check it out. Because these are humans, Earth humans connecting with off world beings. Some of the early experiences in the seventies and eighties nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties aren't so great. But I think if you can connect with them

before you physically meet with them, that might be an advantage. Or these are highly evolved beings thousands tens of thousands of years in advance of us. If they're using only telepathy to communicate, when you are developing yourself through meditative practices, this is a way to connect with those intelligences. It's funny because I don't think in all the years i've studied the ufology experience, that I've

heard of guru connecting. I do remember someone asking the Dali Lama when he was doing a talk in Tibet if he had had communications or he was in communications with alien consciousness, and he answered almost cryptically and said some thing like I am aware of their presence. These these Lamas meditate from a very young

age, and so they are very attuned to consciousness. And when he says that, and I can't remember what the guy what what the questionnaire if he had followed up or not, but it was something like, yeah, I'm aware. The Dahalai Lama says, I'm aware of other consciousnesses from other planet other planets. But he didn't go into a lot of detail, which is like why not, you know, why not tell us more about it. I think it was kind of he felt like it was kind of a waste

of his time to answer it with any more depth. But if they're aware, if these Lamas are aware, you know, it'd be nice to know are they positive? Are they negative? How do we look out for them? Because you know, again, when you're dealing with a being from another planetary system, that's ten thousand, very very advanced of us. It would

be nice to know what their intentions are. If you follow the Destiny program, Deborah Jordan Cobble was interacting with an advanced intelligence that basically treated her like an animal. Almost. I wasn't happy with that, and you know,

not actually asking her permission. Of course, there's another issue that's likely a situation where prior to incarnating in a body, she signed an agreement or she laid out a script for this lifetime that included an alien encounter where she was impregnated, delivered a child, and then that child, being a highbred, had to stay with the aliens because it would not, according to them, be able to live in her environment or our environment. So anyhow, the

book The Holy Science is something that everyone should get. It's a very small book, and it's extremely deep, and I think there's bits and pieces. I'm going to get another copy of it. I can't find my original copy, but I think it has bits and pieces of data that link us and provide details from the earlier epochs and how humans evolved. So fascinating topic. Hey, I want to mention that we're going to be talking about Chinese pyramids

the first week of November. James Wood, who's a research investigator and also an author, is going to be calling me from Shanghai, and this isn't a unique opportunity to understand not only the Chinese pyramids, but also how they are maintained. You know, what they look like, what they have found in excavations of these pyramids, and some of them are extremely old, likely

to have been created in the earlier epochs. They're not necessarily well known in terms of when they were built, but there's a few that will learn about that are quite fascinating as well as not well considered by the locals. They've been there for so long. They're probably like you know, local mountains, so some of them are huge. So James Wood, first part of November. I don't think anyone's talking about Chinese pyramids simply because here in the United

States our relationship with China is not good and it continues to deteriorate. So whenever we have somebody who has been researching and studying the Chinese pyramids, we want to get them on the program. So look forward to that. It's going to air the first Saturday of November, which is November fourth, so check it out Eramids of China with James Wood. Hey, holidays are coming

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