We head to the Turkey this week and the continual exploration and discovery found at the oldest temple in the world known as go Beckley Tepee. Now, we're also going to talk about a recent discovery of a new tepee, which is Carahan Teppee, just a few miles from Go Beckley Teppe, and the amazing sculptures of these underground temples which is revealing an unknown civilization at the end of
the last Ice Age. My guest today is Hugh Newman, who's presenting his latest book, Go Beckley Teppe. Carahan Teppee, the World's First megalis all this than more Today on Earth Ancients for Saturday, October twenty eighth, twenty twenty three. This is Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you. I hope you're well today. Come on in have a seat. Today we are talking about and discussing the oldest what is
considered a temple in go Beckley Teppee, Turkey. We've had a number of people on the program who have been there, who have looked at it, including Graham Hancock, Robert Shock, a number of people. But I would say that my guest today Hugh Newman has been there more than anyone else. In fact, he's been there almost from the beginning. To look at Go Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppee in Turkey, it's of great interest to me.
In fact, we are adding a visit to go Beckley Teppe on our first annual Turkey Earth Ancients Tour, which is going to be August fourteenth through the twenty fourth and I'm looking forward to seeing it. But today Hugh, again more than anyone else, has really captured the understanding and the essence of it better than anyone else. And we're talking National Geographic and Smithsonian newspaper and reporting
as well as a lot of independent research. Now, one of the reasons that today's interesting is that he's not only going to talk about Go Beckley Teppe and some of the newest discoveries, he's also venturing a few miles south and visiting Carahan Teppee. And we had Hugh and his other research partner JJ Ainsworth talking about and discussing in the past the underground complexity of this Karrahan Teppee and
most notably the sculptures. Now he wasn't able to discuss the sculptures with as much clarity as he'll be presenting today, because the details of these sculptures are mind blowing. And if you had a chance to see the Netflix special Ancient Apocalypse, Graham spins, Graham Hancock spends almost an entire program inspecting krahand Teppy, talking to the local Turkish authorities and getting greater clarity on what the feeling is of they would carve these into the wall and what the details are.
Now. One of the things that I think is for a look is the fact that independent researchers like Hugh Newman, like Andrew Collins, like Graham Hancock are making some profound discoveries based on past work of other people, including doctor Klaus Schmidt, who actually excavated go Beckley Teppe and it you know, some of the thinking, it's pretty radical, but it's beginning to make sense.
And what's fascinating, and this fits right into the Earth Ancients theme is these survivors of the last Ice Age are likely from the earlier epoch, the last survivors of the earlier epoch and the whole scorched earth catastrophe that Hancock talks about, and also Robert Schock and many others, so we have a lot to
talk about. It's a fascinating program. There's going to be a gallery of photographs that Hugh has recently sent me that I'll have posted on the Facebook page that gives you more detail and close ups of the sculptural release of these figures. It's just very odd and kind of shocking as well, and I don't know if that's the effect or it's just the fact that they're over twelve thousand years old and we've never seen anything like that. So that's our program today.
I wanted to speak to Jen Dale, are in house archaeologist, and here's a short recording of her impressions of go Beckley Teppy and Carahan Teppy. So this week we're discussing go Beckley Teppy and Carahan Teppy. Of course that's in Turkey, in one of the oldest parts of the world, and I am amazed at not only the great age of these so called temples. My guest today is Hugh Newman, but I wanted to bring in our own archaeologists,
and that's Jen Dalo. Jen actually has done some excavations in Turkey. I didn't know that, Jen. How are you doing? How are things going on? How are you doing classic? I'm great, good, It's good to see you too. Yeah, I wanted to bring you in your staff person here, you can kind of give us your spin. Krahan Teppe is the new discovery. But you know, when you look at either one of these so called temples, they're ancient. Twelve thousand years old. Is
like it's still putting people on a spin. The orthodoxy is kind of going, wow, how do we how do we frame it? And it's began to show up. It's beginning to show up a National geographic but they did a whole program on it. I think the Smithsonian one. Smithsonian did one too. But I'm curious, what's your opinion of these being underground? They're not surface dwellings. They're cut into the to the ground in some cases cutting
to the bedrock. And then they actually created the columns at Carahan Tippy. But why would they do that, why would they actually place them in an underground kind of a setting. Well, I mean, it's really it's interesting. How I contextualize it, or how I like to think about it is.
You know, these structures, these megalithic structures kind of mark the end of the Paleolithic period in the sense where you have the end of the Paleolithic kind of that, you know, Stone Age time of hunter and gathers, and you move into the Neolithic. We're calling this an early Neolithic site, both of the sites, and so it would seem to me, yes, there's some sort of religious or cosmological place for people to go and commune. But also perhaps it had another effect. We know that the end of the
Paleolithic was a very catastrophic, dangerous time to be a human being. Essentially, you had a number of cataclysmic events that happened to the earth, and it probably had these early Neolithic end of the Paleolithic people freaking out because I would freak out too. I tend to think of these these subterranean megalithic structures as kind of a an ode to death. Essentially, is how I percede
them. I think that they Now, how do I know that? I don't know that I'm perceiving that based on other sites that are very similar, like, for instance, in Malta they also buried their sites a couple of their sites that were also megalithic subterranean. So it tells me that there's some related behavior associated and then as far as you know, what is this death
cult? What were they doing there? So my interpretation of this is when you have a lot of dead people, a lot of people who have died, you haven't been able to manage how they're buried, the care of their spirit. So what you're going to do is you're probably going to make it so that you can do a mass ceremonial experience to put them at rest or put them at peace. Therefore, I e. The death cult. That's
kind of how I think about it. When you look at the images that they have at go Becley Tepe and Karen Tepe, they have an emaciated man holding his fallas there are all sorts of animals dancing around. And this is a little known fact, is that a lot of rock art, or not a lot of it, but a good amount of rock art, when death is presumed or when death is seen in rock art, it's generally a man holding his fallus and dying. Apparently you get an erection when you die.
When you're when you're a man, can also be seen as virility, as a way of asserting or showing that you had some power something to that effect. That's kind of my perception of it. Again, that's just my hot take. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the man holding his faulus because that was at the Karenhan Teppe site, But at both sites there are very unusual
sculptures. In huge previous book with JJ and Ainsworth, he shows this head at Karenhan Teppe that's cut into the side of the wall that apparently was used to gaze at the winter solstice. The solstice would hit it and the light would cover certain parts of the phase, and as the sun rose it covered more and more and more, and then it faded. And this only happened
once or twice a year for the the solstice. So they must have still practiced enough of the cosmological method so that they knew when the seasons were coming, which is very very important if you want to survive it. So it's your feeling that these these temples were death called temples and that they were used for kind of ceremonially wishing well the ones the massive death that was going on at that time. I think that that's definitely one aspect of it. I
know that in h I believe it's Goble Tepe. They have an image that's been scratched in the stone, of a woman having a baby or a human emerging, something to that effect. So I think that they were recognizing perhaps you know, their their finite time here on earth as well in these temples. And furthermore, I think why they were filled in. You know, that's the big question. Why did they fill them in? Why were they
covered in dirt and and soil? And I think the best answer for that is, I think that these sites became taboo if you think in terms of you know, once uh a deceased person is handled in many cultures, the person who handles them is seen as unclean or that they need to purify themselves or something to that effect. Ordinarily we see that, you know, a purification process with fire or water, but maybe it was with the soil.
Maybe when that last priest died that handle that you know, particular Gebecle Tepe side or not Sandlurfa at karen Tepe, they thought well, it's time to bury this one, will build the next one. Because you see successive temple structures built after one after the other, and they're filled in at different times, so you know, it kind of meets that idea of something becoming taboo.
That person dies, we move on, and it's fairly common that when a person dies or when someone passes on you you burn their house or you raise their house in some way. No one can live there again. Right. Yeah. Do you find any similar sites around the world or other Middle Eastern countries that have what looks like an underground temple or a subsurface temple that's
similar to these Tepi sites. No, but you can definitely see an evolution in Turkey from go Becley Tepe, Karrahan Tepe into like sites like chital Hayek also in Turkey, which is that it still has that underground component. You see a lot of the imagery, but you're no longer seeing megalithic structures. You're seeing things that are much more you know, they can move, they can be picked up and transported wherever that person goes or wherever that group goes.
There's also the idea that a new group of people came in and they wanted to just eliminate this idea or these these cosmological frameworks that the people had had and they just said no more of this, were burying it. They didn't desecrate it or destroy it. They just buried it because they probably didn't want the bad energy from that or you know, the bad fallout from destroying these temple complexes. Yeah. I like your idea of burying it because it
was desecrated in some way. And what's really weird is that there is I mean, we've only seen two of perhaps twenty or thirty of these underground temples, and it would be amazing if we opened another one and we found that it's actually older, maybe sixteen thousand years or twenty thousand years, and I
have to wonder why are they taking so long? Yeah, I mean I think that there is a rich history of people going underground throughout Turkey, as well as Paleolithic people, you know, going into caves and cave systems. All right, Jen, Hey, real great, appreciate the insight, and
we'll talk to you again. Do you class. So we're gonna get specific details from Hugh Newman, who has been to Turkey and both of these sites go Beckley Tappy and Karrahm Teppy and seeing actually the unveiling of the temple before any major reporting was done. And we're talking about Krahan Teppe, which is fascinating. So today's program is with Hugh Newman, and the program is Go Beckley Teppy, Carahan Teppy, the World's First Megalis. It's always going to
talk to Hugh Newman. Hugh is the world traveler. We've had him on many many times. Hugh is in England, but he is all over the place. And I mean literally, if you go to megal Lithomania, his brand, I mean really, megal Lithomania is Hugh Newman's brand. When you think of that term, that's all about Hugh. And he is traveling constantly.
He has been in Turkey most recently, and from his trips to Go Beckley Teppe and now Karrahan Teppe, he has produced a book called Go Beckley Teppy Carahan Teppe, The World's First Megalist, and I've just got a copy of it is fantastic and we want to talk about that today. So we have Hugh with us. Hugh, how you doing, man, how's it going? I'm really good, Cliff, how are you doing? I'm doing great? Hey. I want to ask you have you calculated how many miles
you've traveled in the last say four years? It must be easily a million miles, right, I just don't think about it. I just kind of best you don't think about it. But you do travel a lot, so you know, yeah enough. I mean we have plenty of downtime. You know, I have time to write this book, for instance, So we get plenty of time here in England to work away on projects. But yeah,
we enjoy it. We just get itchy feet. We just you know, we know what's out there to explore and we're just desperate to go and look at as much of it as possible. Let's talk about go, Beckley Tappy First. Now, you were out in that part of Turkey Jesus years ago when klaud Schmidt was still alive. Did you meet with him after the first announcement of this sight or how did you connect with him? In twenty
thirteen. It was my first visit in September that year. I actually went with Andrew Andrew Collins also, it was we went with Graham Hancock that year, who I've just just been with recently in America and it was his first visit. It's his first time there as well. So and yeah, Klaubschmid was around then, he was running the site. We spoke to him briefly each time We were there for a couple a couple of visits over the two or three years, and then he died a few years later, unfortunately.
But his work there was exemplary. He was the main man, and I think his ideas actually resonate more today than they did then because he was really putting the idea forward that this was the first temple, this was the first ancient megalithic temple on the planet. Was like the I think the subtitle was Quebecley to be the world's first temple, and sometimes with a question mark, National Geographic called that as well. And he was saying, you know,
this is before roofs went over it. This was before a lot of it was even excavated, to be honest with you, but he was saying he thought it could be even older, and there's going to be more sites that
match this and possibly older as well. And he was saying that back in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and he was also connecting it with like the Annarchy or possibly the watchers of the Book of Enoch, you know, even way back then, which I think frustrated some of his archaeological colleagues, but fascinated people like me you know who was just you know, realizing this is
a whole different thing that's being uncovered here. That's anything, because nothing really that old, especially megalithic and beautifully carved monoliths, anywhere on the planet. So it's a real it's a real anomaly. But now there's so much more
being uncovered. It's like it's what I call a super civilization that stretches nearly two hundred kilometers wide in this area in southeast Turkey, and there's twelve official sites called test Tepela or Stone Hills sort of culture, but as possibly thirty, maybe even forty in reality. Let's go back to its discovery, I guess what early two thousand's talk a little bit about. First of all, how what was discovered and Schmid's part of the German Institute, right the university
funded the institute. Give us the background of how it was found, and then how did Schmidt get involved with excavating that site. It began in the mid nineties. I think nineteen ninety four was when he first spotted something there, because he was already excavating a site called Navali Chori, which is further north next to the Euphrates River and that's another preparty neolithics a little bit later than kubecley Teppe, and also I think gertue Tepe was another site. He
started excavating them. But when he kind of was looking at some research that was done in the sixties by Peter Benedict and some archaeologists who were looking at the area where go Beckley Tebbe is. They thought then in the sixties, oh, it's just some Byzantine site or Islamic site. They weren't sure of its great graves. But then when Claud Schmidt went to look for himself, he realized, no, this is one of the pre Pottery Neolithic sites,
and he got permission. It took him a year or two years to get permission, but already they discovered this small human you know, stone statue. But the weird thing is that it was one of the statues with the male Pallas sticking out of it as well. And so this caught was a bit embarrassing for the religious folk there at the time, so they kept it quiet. Eventually went to the museum. Another stone at the top of a tea pillar was also found sticking out of the ground with a little kind of lizard
type figure on it. The Carlos like, really that was kind of the marker, right, the columns or the t stones were sticking out, and it's like, what the hell is this all about? Well, I think that they I think it coumbectually tepically just found a couple of things around the surface. It was at Karrahan Tepe where they were sticking out of the ground for am okay. But then so then they really they got into it. The German archaeological team supported by Turkey as well, got into it and they
started excavating probably in nineteen ninety six. Wasn't really announced to the world until around two thousand and then. Our good friend Andrew Collins actually had a chance and he visited there were two thousand and four, actually, not long after it had started to be excavated. Even then, you know, like the vulture stone or pillar forty three wasn't even discovered, for instance, you know,
back in two thousand and four. And then it kind of slowly as they excavated more they realized this is something profound, tons of artifacts coming out of the ground, huge site, and it was really noticeable because on the top of the hill is what's called the wish tree. It's a mulberry tree, and that's been a kind of place of pilgrimage for hundreds of years,
you know, before the site was discovered. Just interesting just so people know, you know, they were where the whole site was deliberately covered over at the end of its use, way back way back when you know, ten thousand years ago, so probably used for a couple of thousand years, so it's covered over. So civilizations came through, the Sumerians, the Hittites, the Christians, the Romans. Everyone else didn't even know it was there,
none of the sites in the area because they were all covered over. They were just like hills. But at the top of this particular hill was this mulberry teel, the wish tree, and there's traditions there that's still there today where women would go up there and wish for a healthy childbirth. It was like a fertility site, even before they knew anything was underneath there. And now myself and jj Ainsworth's research now kind of suggests that these sites were a
linked to fertility. It was a big thing. Now all the artifacts and the symbolism that has come forth, so yes, so you know, even though it was covered over and forgotten about. It's always called e Beeckley Teppe, which means pop belly hill. It also can translate in different versions of Kurdish and Turkish Armenian as to the hill of miracles, the wish, the
wishing hill and things like this. Even it's various out of variations, but generally it means naval or pop belly hill, which is really interesting, so that that's the kind of pregnant kind of thing associated with it. So let's get into the age. This is what makes this site an amazing discovery because it's I guess it's give me the carbon dat in the second here it's the end of the plus to scene or the ice age that this site is placed
in. US So carbon dating gives it around nine thousand plus BC, which is twelve what is it twelve five hundred or twelve and eight hundred for go Beckley Teppe and Krahan is older or younger. Well, there's a big there's big debates about this actually, but but officially the dating of Quebecley type of the oldest they found through a different charcoal they found at the bottoms of some of the stone walls and the enclosures. Enclosure D I think is the main
one. They go back to nine thousand, six hundred BC or eleven thousand, six hundred years ago. But you know, I've looked at the data and you can see all the tests they've done and some of them do appear within a few hundred years either side of that, So it could be a
bit older. It could be twelve thousand years old, but they've only tested certain amounts of things there, so it could actually be older than this, because we've found sites now up near the Tigris River further to the east, to the east northeast where they're at least twelve thy to thirteen thousand years old,
like Bond Chocolutala called it Tepe, grief Lahoyek and other sites. And now there was a big thing that came out about Carahan Tape as well about a year and a year and a half ago, claiming it was older than qebecley Tepe. Now I've talked to them thoroughly about I've talked to some archaeoli, we talked to the landowners about this, and there's a bit of a
bit of an error there. What it is that the earliest dat and they've got for a constructed part of the site is nine thousand and four hundred BC or eleven thousand, four hundred years ago, so two hundred years younger than Quebecley Teppy. Now, I'm not sure why the balloon is just is your birthday coming up? I just got a bunch of balloons in my face? Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. That's quite funny. Yeah, maybe you want to edit this. Well, that's the video. People are
listening along. We're good to go. Go ahead. And so with Carahan Tappee, there was a thing that came out like a year year and a half ago, claiming it was older, you know, and it's not. It's actually nine thousand and four hundred BC, eleven thousand, four hundred years ago. But what we found, is what they found up on the site is that it was occupied. There was people passing through there, like hunting gatherers going back at least a thousand years before that now, but none of
them. But there's nothing constructed they can find before nine thousand, four hundreds. That's why people think it's older, but actually the site itself is not, because there's people moving around this landscape you know, all over the place
at this time, this was a hunter gatherer society. Why are we calling it a hunter gatherer because when I think of that, that's stone age And the other problem with that terminology is, and we're going to talk about this in a minute, Hugh, these pits, these temples have very ornate carvings, very ornate cuttings of these pillars that weigh tons, and how can that be? Hundreds of gatherers, to my knowledge and my feeling, are very
rudimentary people. So define it a little better. Yeah, So you've got like traditionally like before Quebec, except even during the first phases they claim now it was like a hunter gatherer population. So the you knows, as it stated in the name, it's just people appear to be wandering about, not really settling anywhere, moving around through the different seasons, hunting through the different seasons and everything else, and collecting wild plants and you know, hunting animals
and things like this, and fish as well in the rivers. But you know, really, you know, it's difficult to kind of agree with that anymore, because they found a whole bunch of site, as I mentioned, up near the Tigris and possibly there's going to be more found out down near kubeckley Tepe. There's a CYC called Kkmac Tepe as well, which was a settled area that's older than Gobeckley Teppe for instance, but unlyar the Tigris.
All these sites here they were hunting gatherer populations, but they were also settling. They were building constructions. They were building small mud brick houses, possibly roofs on and things like this, and so it's not as as clear cut as what people think. And even the first phase of Goebeckley Teppe appears to be supposedly built by hunter gatherers because there's no evidence of any you know,
plant domestication or you know, animal domestication or anything like that. So it kind of, you know, it didn't really come out of nowhere Quebecley Tepe, but something was innovated really quickly around nine thousand, six hundred BC, and it reached another level of complexity and innovation. Before that, it was not so advanced. So yeah, it's quite intriguing that you have that.
And then then one of the weird things is and this is now agreed upon by archaeologists, even Nesmi Carol mentioned this, he's the head archaeologist Carahan and Goebeckley now said that yet, definitely agriculture developed after the building of the structures of Carahan Tepe and Qebecley Teppe, not before, not you know, at the very beginning, but that they almost it's almost like the people who built
these sites were instigating this new way of life. And weirdly, even the Sumerian stories talk about this Age Old time of the gods in the very first time building constructions of wood and stone and then laying out channels for water, which you do actually find at these sites, and then agriculture developed after that. So even the Sumerian myths and stories and the tablets talk about what actually
was happening much earlier around sites like a Beckley Teppe and Carahan Teppe. I want you to talk a little bit about, and you refer to this at the very beginning, that these beings are possibly Nephelin or they are the survivors of perhaps Atlantis or a very sophisticated society. Because these temples, these underground temples, are not simple at all. Talk a little bit about the actual I mean, because there's no today, I don't think, and I read
Schmidt's white paper. They never found any bodies. There's no skeletory means in either of these sites. Are there very few There's not many hosts skeletons for instance, But I think they found fragments, skulls and things like this. There's there's even evidence of like a kind of skull cult at sites like Beckley Teppy. Also at Chiano, which is more famous, it's got like the skull house there. We visit there recently. It's hard place to get to
much further north. But yeah, they found they have found some human remains. We actually saw some human remains in a brand new excavation one of the Testabola sites called say Birch. Whether they're going to announce that, we don't know, but we just happened to turn up there and see them ourselves. We're like, whoa, you know, this is like still just there, you know, in the excavation pit. So yeah, so there is you know, there were you know, there is evidence that they were in some
sites that they were burying people under their under their houses as well. We get that later at Chattelhoyat. But as for you know, who these people were. This is what I mean. You start looking at the Sumerian stories. There's something me and JJ have been doing a lot recently in this article a second article for Graham Hancock's website, and it just all starts, it
all fits in. It's really weird. Suddenly these sites are kind of, you know, making the links with these old myths and legends which actually were probably now stories and histories. And so we get that very strongly. And so the Sumerian stories seem to match what's coming out of the ground in some extent. They talk about the same rivers, even though whole Mesopotamia is much
further south. These are the same rivers in the north. And then you have the Watchers of the Book of Enoch, and these are fascinating piece of work. And if people don't know, it was discovered in the seventeen or early eighteen hundreds, and they found lots of versions of it. Now versions of it are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls area and come round in the Palestine Israel area, and these are really interesting. It's very similar to the
Sumerian they're talking about a similar thing. They're talking about these great beings who arrived appearingly out of nowhere on this sacred mountain with all these arts of civilization and culture fully intact and building these sites, and like with all these and each of these angels and watchers had these particular skill sets. A lot of
these skill sets they talk about. They talk about building, they talk about surveying, they talk about astronomy, astrology, even you know, health and nutrition and herbs and plant growth and things like this, and so all these things are evident. Now it appears at sites like a Beckley Teppe and Carahan Tepe and so, you know, so it starts all these myths and stories
and starting to match. One of the most interesting aspects, which maybe hopefully we'll get into, is the fact that they talk a lot about going off to measure, taking urial, taking enoch, going off to measure different parts of the landscape and sites, and mathematics and geometry. And now I've been finding lots of very intricate geometries, numbers, systems, and advanced metrology at all these at the sites I've been looking at. Really quite easily, I
couldn't quite believe what's coming out of there. So this kind of proves that a lot of what we find in Egypt and stoneheads and other places around the world that have that encode. All these numbers and geometry and metrology may have originated actually at these particular sites like a Bakeley Tepe, etc. And this is also recorded in the Book of Enoch, And so yes, there's little things like this are kind of it could be a massive coincidence, But I
just don't think so. I think there's something kind of what's coming out of the ground is going to change the way we view history. Yeah, I see them as learning centers, and I think that was what Graham wrote about in his work. What is it about their building under the surface. What does Schmidt conclude because these things are pretty much one hundred percent under the ground? Is that for protection? Is it because they wanted to be able to
connect with the earth more fully? I mean why dig well? I mean, as an example, Qubecley Teppe looks to be ten feet under the ground when you look at the floor and measure it to the surface, right, some of some of it is, yeah, for sure, I mean, but you've got to remember as well, a lot of it was covered over
at the end of its use. But there's also talk that they were covering over certain enclosures during the process of living there and like working there and having ceremonies there and so forth, and so yeah, but I think a Carahan tapeou get that even more. To be honest with you, you actually get carving into the bedrock, you know, the limestone bedrock in the area of
the Tech Tech Mountains where it's located. And they're like you have like the pillar shrine or Structure AB a Carahan tape, for instance, you have Structure AA or the pit srine. You have half of the main enclosure, the tea pillars and the kind of benches are carved out of bedrock, and then the rest is free standing pillars around the rest of the kind of circular area.
And so yeah, they were definitely getting into the ground. And you can see the way even at Gebecley Tepe, they're carving out of the bedrock. They're carving like flat surfaces. Even the pillar bases, the big square pillar bases where they placed the big central tea pillars in these little sockets, some of those are carved out of bedrock. And so they weren't just building on top of the rock, on top of the ground. They were going
into it. And kind of creating spaces like slightly subterranean. Talk about it's the belief that Gobecley Teppy and Carahan Teppian perhaps other locations that haven't been discovered yet were observatories or had a cosmological flavor to them. Yeah, for sure. Well, there's been quite a lot of research special obviously at Uebecay Teppe it has been the only one really uncovered until recently. As Andrews Collins obviously
has done a lot of work on the northern orientation of these sites. Going through the portholestone, you get in the northern wall sort of in between the tea pillars and so forth. At Quebeculey Tepe, mainly linking with Signus and other things, and other people suggest actually they face south and actually they look into the southern sky. If was it Gigglow Magley, He's done a peeded of paper looking at the movement of Sirius just starting to emerge on the horizon.
Other people have mentioned Orion and the Piladas and Taurus and other such constellations. It's kind of this all makes sense to me. But when we went to Carahan Tepe and it just happened to be there on the winter solstice. In twenty twenty one, we had one hundred percent confirmation that Carahan Tepe was
aligned precisely to the winter solstice sunrise. We witnessed this remarkable phenomen of the light as ten minutes off in some way, as the light we shine through this poolhole stone, this is old stone across the main enclosure into the pillar strine, and it would illuminate the stone head that sticks out of the wall for like forty five minutes and it kind of moved round. The light moved around the head, so that you know, that is a direct observation.
So that was it wasn't We weren't speculating, we weren't trying to prove a point. We just happened to be there. It was a brilliant, brilliant moment to witness, and we be We went back there last year, we're going back this year just to make sure that we could be able a feeling they're going to kind of close that offend a roof over it and things like
this, which would be unfortunate. So yes, so that proves to me that they were doing this, you know, because we and we even traced it back you know, we measured it exactly how it would illuminate the head, you know, when the site was built around nine thousand or so. BC. We have a paper up on Academia dot edu. Now we have an updated article coming up on Graham Hank dot com as well, and we've
got a bunch of videos about it. But we're going to go back again this year and take more readings and get more data to kind of prove that this is the case. But you know, even before that, even Carahan tepe I mean Andrew Collins were speculating that there were some other alignments there, like a summer solstice sunset alignment in the pit shrine or structure AA, and that some of the orientations appear to go to the north again like they do
at quebeculey Teppe. And this is before we even had this kind of winter solstice discovery. But since then, this brand new enclosure has now been excavated.
It was partly excavated on top of the hill, but they found this giant two and a half or two point three meter tour seven foot six statue of this human holding this phallus, but he's like a giant basically in there there's a whole stone and it faces to the north again, so it's another sickness a lot and he's done all the tests on this, and it's going to be talking about this at the Origins conference specifically, because this allignes.
We took all the reader we just happened to be there when they'd uncovered it in September. We took all the readings, all the alignments, and even found a statue of a vulture, which is a representation of sickness in ancient times. So he's very pleased it kind of what's being discovered that backs up his research. But the winter solstice thing, to us, it kind of
nails it, you know what I mean. It nails it down as a fact that they were doing this because you know, we've done all the tests on the stilarium and different programs, and it only works that particular illumination of the stonehead through the porthole stone on the winter solstice around the December the twenty first for a few days, you know, because the sun comes to a
standstill. That sort of stuff solstice means, and it's very similar to what you find at New Grange, which is like three thy two hundred BC, very similar to what you find in some of the chambers in Karnak in Brittany, very similar. There's even winter solstice alignments, say summer solstice alignment a cycled athlete Yam where they found this is another pre party in Neolithic site of
the Coach's actually underwater off the coast of Israel. They found a similar summer solstice sunset alignment, which is the exact opposite direction of the winter solstice sunrise at Jericho as well in Israel Palestine area. This is that's the work of Rambakai that goes back to eight thy three hundred BC. But the Carahan Tepe winter solstice does appear to be the oldest one, you know, linked with a megalithic site anywhere on the planet. Why would they care about this the
winter solstice? Why would that be just kind of setting the clock to know what's coming in the next year for agricultural purposes or for like the Maya, perhaps birthing your children, so forth and so on. Yeah, I think you pretty much nailed at the I think that's part. It was part of the ceremonial cycle. It's something that JJ who discovered this whole thing with me.
Actually she's her and I have been discussing this, we're writing about this at the moment where we think if you look at you know, you look at it like a kind of symbolic kind of event. It's like the male shard of light penetrating the female holed stone into the womb like chamber where there's all these sort of phallic shaped kind of fertility. Yeah, it's it's all really about fertility. And this is this matches other cultures. This matches the
principles of other cultures that there's other European cultures. It's even linked with New grains. There's fertility ambulance like phallic ambulance were found in new grains for instance. And so we think this part and that was but that was just one
part of a great annual kind of celebration that was taking place there. Because if you look at the spring equinox as well, what we've found is that there seems to be a channel carved out towards the east where the head is kind of looking towards virtually, and that maybe may indicate the equinox sunrise.
And what we found is not only if that it's all filled with rubble at the moment this channel, so we're not sure, but that may have had half a porthole store on top, so that could have been illuminated on the equinox. And that's nine months before the winter solstice. So we are suggesting and putting this hypothesis forward that that was the kind of the kind of fun time, that was the sexual rights, that was the sort of fertility dances
and celebrations and sexual rights and all this kind of stuff. And then nine months later the birthing would take place, you know, within the pillar shrine, perhaps on the winter solstice around that kind of time of year. And then it would also be a case of regeneration as well, which is something that JJ's been looking into a lot, where then the sun would start coming back a few days later around the twenty fifth of twenty sixth. So yeah,
there's all these possibilities with it, but we don't really know. We just kind of looking at other cultures and relating it to this one and how all the symbols and how the astronomy, how the sun moves and things like this. But must also remember that it's two things. Actually. One of them is that at the time of the summer solstice, the opposite side of the year. The moon would move in the same position as the town sun does on the winter solstice. So at nighttime around the summer solstice, the
moonlight could illuminate the stone head through the porthole stones. It moves along the same path as the winter solstice. That is pretty frete. That's pretty trippy. Yeah, And then we've got stuff. We've been looking at stuff on venus as well, because like at New Grains, where Venus rises along the same path as the sun or the winter solstice, it also does at Carahan Tepe and that can be so bright that it could illuminate the stone head and
venus, as does this whole cycle of eight years. It creates this five pointed stuff and a great forty year cycle and so forth. But we also have a similar thing that era of it. It's the Venus rising at the same path of the sun on the equinox. So we've got this venus thing going on as well. It's amazing for our listeners. Istanbul is the capital of Turkey. How far away is Gobeckley Teppy and Carahan Teppee from the capitol. It's an extremely long way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't
know how many miles put what a thousand miles? Yeah, to basically fly from Istanbul? Where do you land to get to go Beckley Teppe. Yeah, these site, all these sites, the main ones are based in near Shandlerfa, which is the ancient ancient city of Odessa where Abraham the biblical tradition was was born and lived and so forth. So it's got this whole kind
of biblical connotation linked with this particular area as well. But you can, you know, you can what we do on some of our tours, we actually be cut through the whole of Turkey, stopping at loads of call sites on the way and then end up there. But sometimes we fly down there, then head then head further east because more and more sites are being uncovered. But yes, quite a long way from Istanbul, but you can get
direct flights there from Istanbul. Okay. Good. The book we're talking about today has just come out is called Go Beckley Teppy Carahan Teppy, the World's First Make a List. It's a real fun book because Hugh has found somebody or his publisher has found a really really good artist who can illustrate not only
the smaller artifacts, but these amazing statuary that are fascinating. I want to talk about Noah's arc in Stone, about the details that show up on that stone, and those are the animals and the bird like creatures that are carved. But there's also some symbols in there too, isn't there. Yeah, you have all sorts going on, be honest with you. Animals is a big thing, but we have some really interesting symbols which we can talk about in a minute. But yeah, you get I mean, Beckley Teppi,
you have what ten to twelve fourteen different animals depicted. Yea prominent The most sort of prominent one is probably the serpent. All these sites, you get a lot of serpents. To Cara hand Tabbe, you get the fox or something kind of canid creature a Cara hand Tape especially, you get the leopard.
I think that was a big thing at Cara hand Tabe. We're going to be writing more about that because we found stuff in the kind of night sky that might link with that, even links back to the time of the links with the Sphinx as well, which we're going to be getting into. But I mean, some people have suggested, as you said, and we actually put that as a subtitle of Ancient Animals chapter in the book. Is that is like a Noah's ark and Steine because there's so many animal depictions.
Let me just give you a bit of information. I mean, basically, we have in Enclosure A, we have made This is odd because in certain enclosures you have specific animals dominate the carvings in that enclosure. So you know, was that then, is this like a sort of cult. It's like a sort of animal cult of that particular and wok a total. So Enclosure
A is mainly the snake. Enclosure B is mainly foxes or canids. C. We have bores, and D it's mainly birds, although a huge bore statue has just been found in Enclosure D. Finally enough, it's one of the new discoveries. It's just emerged. But what I'm finding really intriguing is the fact that the leopard is so strongly documented at carahan Tepe, and even
there's talk of a new statue that's been found that we can't find. We haven't seen images of it yet, but we heard that there was a third statue found at carahan Tepe as long as along with the human and the vulture, because you know, even if you go way back and watch what the movement of the stars. Again, we'll just talk a little bit about the
astronomy, just because this is really intriguing. We know that Graham Hancock and Robert Ruval spoke about the Sphinx on the equinox in ten five hundred BC or thereabouts. The Sphinx is watching the sun rise on the equinox, but before the sun rise, Leo the constellation rises in the east, and it's that's why they partly believe why they thought that was part of the kind of construction,
the orientation to the east of the Sphinx. Now, but at Carahan Tepe, which is just one thousand years later, we have the sunrise are carrying, and again we have Leo coming up as well before the sun or around the same time as the sun and so and then you see these leopard carvings there. So we're we're thinking, hang on a sect, did they see Leo as a leopard rather than a lion? Is the Sphynx a leopard as well? Is it a leopard? Because you find all these all these
I mean, you even get a Carahan Tappet. You even get some of the upright statues, the ones carved out of bedrock have what looked like leopard pelts around the around the waist, so they would be giant people if they got leopard pelts, and and so you've got things like this as well, and like you have these statues at Carahan Teppa, these leopards on the back
of humans as they're dominating them, or of something similar. So yeah, there's a lot to think about when you start looking at the symbolism and relating it to the sky at the time these sites were built. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, Hugh Newman discussing his trips to Turkey and Go Beckley Teppy and the news say Carahan Teppe, you're right back.
My guest today is Hugh Newman, a field researcher and an author. His new book is Go Beckley Tepee Carahan Teppe, The World's First Megalists, and this is chronicling his trips to Turkey to see these sites, the in depth nature of them, the great age of both of these sites, and what is the latest news and discovery. Yeah, you actually posted some fascinating photographs, excuse me, videos of your visit to Carahan Teppe. One of these
temples is part is under a house that you actually go into. You got were able to get permission to see talk a little bit about the size of that temple, and it looks like the builders of the home were not aware that they were built on top of this temple and as they were excavating, they're like going, oh, we got a problem here is talk a little bit about that discovery because that's a fascinating video. Yeah, that that's that's a site near near the area. That's a cycleed say Birch. Yeah,
that's it's one of the test teblo. It's not Caran Tape. It's near there though. It's all part of the same kind of similar age to Carahan Tappey. Actually, but this this is odd. This is like a village called say Birch and they found this has came out a year or two ago. We've been we've been visiting there for quite a while because we've got to know the family. They let us in, give us the you know, open the door open, and they kind of gated it off to stop looters
and damage and things like this. But they found a huge panel carved out a bedrock. So this is basically it's like half of an enclosure has been is literally underneath this house, and they managed to get access to it. They kind of you know, you can actually get in there and have a look at it. The other half is still under the house. They're going to apparently get to demolish the whole village. This is This is south west
of Shannelerfer, that kind of area. This panel is amazing. It's got like these two leopards again almost going towards this man who's carved down in three D. It's only like three feet tall or so, and he's holding his fallus. He's got a V neck, a V neck symbol. We finding lots of the statues in the area, which we think is significant, and then another jumping man's on the panel. But this is all carved out a
bedrock and there would have been t pillars there and other such things. And we even got access because we got chatting with the family and it said I'll come with me, so we followed him. We went underground at say Berts and no one else I know has done this. I don't even know if you even the archaeologists know about it. If they listen to this, they will And you can actually go down into this underground room carved out of bedrock
under the ground, and it's huge. It's like something like it's like Darren. It's like a small section of Darren Coou at say Birch. So that really blew our minds. And they're carving out of the bedrock there like they are a carahan tepe. There's all these symbols, carved heads and other such things. Now there's this whole field next to the house which they've started excavating
and they're realizing and quite a lot has been done already. And this is run by these Turkish archaeologists and they've uncovered potentially four or five enclosures there and that's only a small section of what is going to be found. We found this huge U shaped drome ors stone type thing that could be a huge porthole stone, which we I could send you. I can send you some pictures off which we has only just been excavated. We just happened to be there
at the right time. That's where we saw the skeletal remains, there's other things that being found there, and so it makes you realize there's something significant going on in this part of the world. And also the name say Birch is really interesting. It sounds like it's the standard Turkish name. Whatever. The sea has got a little thing off the bottom of it sa y b u r c. But say means counting or you know, numbers and things like this. But Birch pure see the little thing on the end means sign
of the zodiac or horoscope, which I thought was really interesting. But birch in a Kurdish means tower or watch tower. So and there used to be a tower built in the village which got demolished back in the early nineteen hundreds. So there's something going on. So that even the names like the counting and sign of the zodiac, they seem to be saying. Look, even the name may be ancient. And this is what it's remembering at this site
that there was astronomical and astrological kind of observation area. So this underground room that you found, was that a gathering space or was it? I mean, because it has this panel, you're talking about ceremonial or is it just another mystery that we just don't have a clue about. We don't have a clue, Cliff, to be honest with you, I mean, to me, it doesn't feel like what the people, a lot of the archaeologist are
saying. They're all saying these are community spaces. These are just where people would meet. They're not temples. There's no ceremonies and things like this. But I just don't feel that. I feel like something profound going on here. And you know where they're building these particular sites, especially you know, say birds, you know, you feel something beautiful and wonderful there. It's not just a basic thing you go and hang out in like a community space.
There's something profound. So I think there were ceremonies. I think it was just part of their way of life back then. They had this much more kind of ritualistic, shamanic way of life. Wow. Hey, one thing that I was very excited to read about is that you believe, and you have this in your new book for those of you listening, you can get this in this information. You believe that these saites had archaeo acoustic properties. That's the first time I've heard about that. And we know that there's
acoustic properties in outdoors sites like Stonehenge. I was just in November of last year. I was in Averbury and in the center of Averbury is acoustic properties. They've tested it, they've shown it as probable. What do we know about acoustics at go Beckley Teppe or Carahan Teppee. Fundamentally, this is something that Andrew put out in a couple of his books about about Kebecley Teppy that they're fundamentally they're elliptical in shape the main enclosures and they're very enclosed areas with
the two big T pillars in the middle. Now ellipse is the ones that were found there, and this is a general geometry. I've done much more detailed analysis of the geometry, which is much more intricate and different Alexander tom type geometries. But the ellipses are really interesting because they're like a four to three ratio. And this you get this insights in Syria as well. And this is the same kind of ratio you get when you're building acoustic uh you
know, venues and things like this. You also get this in West Kenet Long Barrow. You get a similar thing in around Gezer as well, you know some of the interior chambers of Gezer. And there was a gentleman, a scientist called Paolo Derbertolis at the University of Trieste who did some work there
and he found some amazing data when he did some acoustical test there. He found that pillar eighteen and one of the main standing pillars and enclosure d resonated around sixty eight to sixty nine hertz, with harmonics of ninety one hurts and
one hundred and thirty eight hertz. And he felt that his placement in the shallow pit meant it would hum in the wind and things like this, and it could be moved slightly for different purposes, so it was almost like a tune in for And when he tapped on it as well, he found that he felt like part of it was hollow, like it had been partly carved out to tune it correctly, which I thought was really really interesting. And also we find the general elliptical shape at Carahan Tepe and other sites, you
know, all over the whole region. Although I do find I have found that there's much more. You know, even if you've got a general not a perfect ellipse, you can still get acoustical properties. But when this guy Derbert Tollis was power de was actually like doing his tests. He also did some magnetic testing there. And you're going to like this because this is like the John Burke kind of thing and going, you know, it's it's incredible.
Man. The center of enclosure D between the two main pillars and Enclosure D is the main part of quebecley Tepe. It's the most important part and they've actually mostly intact. So they found a spiraling magnetic anomaly in the center of the enclosure and this this blew my mind. It was on this obscure paper for like two thousand and five or something. I was like, what the hell, and it made me just clicked with me. That's why they
position these sites where they're positioned. It was partly because of the natural magnetic
telluric energies was placed over perhaps a laylane. Yeah, well, well it's like a natural magnetic anomaly, and so that means that probably before it was built, it was people went there and felt their consciousness changing, things would grow better there and they realized and then you makes you realize as well, why people would go there for hundreds if not thousands of years to like go and wish for fertility because the magnetic energies were kind of, you know,
given them a healthy, healthy kind of situation that they're walking into. And so there's something profound about that and it makes me and I've take I've taken
a little trifilled magnetometer. I've tried to get inside some of the places in the area, but they just won't let me basically, So I'm going to try and leave that with my friend who works at Carahan Tepe and see if he can actually get it in the enclosure and get some readings for me, because we're not the public aren't allowed it, and definitely they definitely don't like
me and Andrew too much, so we can't really go inside anything. But the fact that he found that and it was recorded, it was documented. This was this was John Burke level equipment we're talking about it. This was just this. Yeah, it wasn't just a little magnantomoty you got on your phone or you hold in your hand or anything. This is like major So this is this is solid information. So then you have to wonder hang on a sex So they this is where they were very near to this area.
This is where they developed agriculture, where they started growing food. So did did John Burke? You know, have this is intuition. It may not have just gone back to the Megalithic era. It could have gone back to this era. They could have developed what John Burke was saying all this time
back at Quebecley Teppe and this general kind of pre pottery Neolithic culture. I mean, Graham talks about this, Go Beckley, Tippy has a reboot say, in other words, culture is restarting after a catastrophe where the planet loses eighty percent of its fauna, megafauna and human population. What do you say to that, I mean, it feels like it to me. It feels like it to me. But what you're there a hell of a lot more than anybody I know. Well, what do you say about that idea?
Yeah? The timing of it is fascinating because as I mentioned this in my book, and I know Graham's talked about it. My Sweatman, it talks about this a lot. The end of the Younger Dryest was literally like nine eight hundred BC. Then the weather started warming up just after that. Now, the earliest official dates for the building of Ebecley Teppe is nine thousand and six hundred BC, even though it could be a fraction earlier because they're plus
to minus a couple of one hundred years. So they literally were building this as soon as the weather improved, soon as the kind of chaos stopped, and they had to get started again because the megafauna, the different animals, probably lost of humans have died out, and the kind of you know, there's probably lots of there's problems of growing food and things like this. So they had to rethink everything, and I think this this is certainly the case.
It's like it's like a reboot center. It's like where people realized we have to create a space where we have to now work together. We can't just go around in tribes and you know, gangs, you know, wandering hunter gathering, and that we have to kind of do something profound here. And they did do it. I mean, they did something awesome. I mean, and the influence of that is not just at Quebecley Teppe. I mean, this was a massive site Quebecley. They we're talking acres and acres
hectors. I mean, you know, only a few of these enclosures are being discovered. There's there's potentially twenty or twenty two of them at one site. So there's twenty plus stonehenges on one site, and there's like at least twelve of these sites that all some of them are bigger than Gebecley Teppe, you know, like ian La Joyac, even Karrahan Teppe is bigger than go Beckley Tepping, and now they're realizing it stretches over two hundred kilometers over a
vast area. Aside, the influence was so profound for these innovatives who came in at the end of the Younger Dryas. It really does raise a lot of questions about where did these ideas come from? How did they suddenly just emerge with this different level. I mean, you can trace it back that there were certain things you can trace back. You can go back even to the Paleolithic and you can see three D relief carvings in caves on stones of
the there's a lion man statue that was found. You can go back to cortic Tepe, which is at least a thousand years before Goubeckley Tepping that near the Tigris River, and they would make any stones with three D relief carvings on them. They were developing ideas there. So there's lots of places where they were developing ideas, but just in pockets in different areas over huge eras
of time as well. But really there had to be somewhere where they all came together and put all these ideas into the pop and this is where it really kicked off, and that was certainly Quebecley Tepping. Why are they waiting to uh excavate the other enclosures that are around these big openings that they've opened up. It seems like it would be a real benefit for further discovery if they were to excavate them. Is it just the I mean, I see
this problem in Egypt all the time. We go there every year, and they don't use ground penetrating radar. They're you know, they want to make sure it's us that makes these discoveries and no foreigners, and the Egyptians will become xenophobic it's us or nobody, you know. It's just yes, it's
similar, I guess. I mean because because a long time the German Archaeological Institute we're managing Quebecley Tepping, a lot got on cover and you imagine how much rubble and stone and earth they had just to move and oh why god. Yeah, they did a lot of talent tonnage, I'll tell you that. But yeah, it makes it does make you wander. But they have, you know, they have been doing it slowly. They have to do it so meticulously because things should collapse. A lot of Carahan Tape is being
uncovered. Saber, she's being excavated. Sepia Tepe is another site near Carahntab, but that's being excavated. We have Harbet zoo Van which is south of Karajan Taby and that's being excavated. So stuff is happening. But because it's so old and so delicate and it's all being piled over with this rubble and earth and stone, they have to be so careful. It's not like you're just sort of digging around to move some earth out of the way to see
what's underneath. You've got to remove everything, you know. So it's a huge amount of work. But it's frustrating because there are other areas to the north west at Quebecley Tepic. They've actually built roofs over them and some of them are exposed where they've started excavating, but they just won't let anyone go and have a look, and they kind of keep it a secret, and it's so frustrating. You're kind of looking over this fence. I think I'm
just going to run in there. Man. You'on't be able to come back if you go right in there. A lot. No, Yeah, but maybe when I'm like my last you know, when I'm super old or something, I'm just going to go in there where you like it or not. But yeah, but yeah, hopefully more. But the thing, the good thing is even though they have found a few more things at but we were there in September when they were clearing out enclosure deal. They were like the
archaeologists and the students were there. They were kind of cleaning up. I was like filming them. I wonder what they're going to find. And they found this giant ball statue with this slab with the stunning carvings one, so that was a big deal. Even next to it, they actually found like what looks like a you get a t pillar standing up. It's like it's just falling on its side and there's a whole carve through it going towards the
north embedded in the wall giant tea pillar. So there's two things, maybe three things discovered this year at Coubecley Teppe, which became big news late September twenty twenty three, which I published an icon on some videos about it, and there's more coming out about it soon. So yeah, it's frustrating. I wish they would move it forward and kind of open more up to the public, but you know, we have to be patient because these are so
delicately poised sights. Yeah. I don't want to hamper and come down too hard on the archaeological community, but I think that when this date was first released through carbon dating of you know, twelve thousand years ago, it shocked the archaeological community and in many ways they are forced to begin rewriting history, which hasn't really happened yet because you know, it just takes forever for these discoveries to trickle into their textbooks. Right. We don't see go Beckley Tepee
like discoveries anywhere else in the world, do we. I mean, I don't know. Perhaps in South America there could be some sites, but and I'm thinking of Bolivia and Tunarco, But that's a say that hasn't really been excavated to the level it could be, and we know about the early predictions of it being like twenty eight thousand years by. I think his name is Plananski. But what do you say about these discoveries and it's in the orthodoxy's
ability to handle them. Well, I think we have to refer back to the kind of Robert Shock, John Anthony West Graham Hancock all this when they were in the mid nineties, right, they put out a thing and we think the sphinx could be this old, you ten thousand BC, this, that and the other some of the sites, the myths, the astronomy suggests it's something this old, and the dating, the water damage on the sphinx and so forth, and it was said, I think it was one of
the top archaeologist. I think Mark Lerner said, well, there's nothing else anywhere on the planet that proves this, so you're talking rubbish basically, Ye, no smoking gun. And then within I think it was that year quebecley Teppe was being discovered but wasn't announced until two thousand, but wasn't really public until the mid two thousands, ten years later. So that smoking gun is now being discovered and it's now pushing back the dates potentially everywhere on the planet.
Everywhere could needs to be looked at again because even you know, you've got to remember, like carbon dating, even at Quebecley Teppe is a bit iffy. You know, it could be older. They've only found certain things in certain places to date most of its stone obviously, But a good thing about it is is that it hasn't been interfered with Quebecley Teppy and they've been buried, there's been nothing. Nothing's going to interfere and you're going to get
the wrong dates down at the lower levels, on the bedrock levels. So you know, that's the dates they're coming out with, I believe are conservative dates. They could be older. They might find more as they uncover more. Even Klaus Schmidt before he died, he told me and Andrew that he thinks they're going to find stuff at quebecley Tepe and some of the sites in the area going back to fourteen thousand years old, because we know that they
were doing things during the younger Dreas. We know that from cortic Tepe, we know that from cagmac Taepe, which is closer to Gebecley Teppy. We know that from Bon Chocolutala and other such sites where there was sort of levels of kind of stone construction taking place there. But if you look at it on a worldwide scale, I think everything needs to be looked at again. It needs to be retesting done now, more excavation becuse I know Tiwanaka and
Puma Punky have been being excavated over the years. There's a mara archaeologists involved. I know that they found more levels at Puma Punky when I was there, even back in twenty eighteen, was being fad Even I found a forgotten the kind of statue like a human statue buried in the gunn of grass in someone's garden or some farm land back there, which really blew my mind.
Yeah, Timanaku, I mean we discover that me and JJ just spent a few days there after our tour and just found this forgotten kind of vericonscious statue, which is kind of cool. I published about it, but no one,
no one's interested. But these statues are weirdly similar to the ones we're finding it in Southeast Turkey as well, So I mean, I like the idea of Arthur Posnansky and he's dating based upon archaeo astronomy, which goes back I think to what is it fifteen thousand years and it was twenty I'll keep coming up with twenty eight thousand, but I could it could be more of the teens fifteen eighth it was eighteen thousand, Yeah, something like that,
something along those lines. So that's interesting, it's good. What's too much? It's too much, it's too much for the archaeological community, they flip out. I mean, even if we conservative we say they're the same era as beckleype are still going to be too much. That's the problem. So
you can you can't really, it's really difficult to ascertain. But even at a stonehenge for instance, you know, just my local area, this whole area here, and they found these giant wooden post holes right next to stoneheads, these pine totem poles they think they were, and they are ten thousand years old, within one hundred years either side of that eight thousand BC. And so even here we're finding Mesolithic and Quebecay Tepee almost era kind of discoveries
being made. So that puts a whole new complexion on the possibility that you know, there might have been earlier sites. I mean Karanak in Brittany, in some sites in Portugal. Some of the stone circles constructions there are definitely super ancient and they go back to six to seven thousand BC. Some of them we know nab to play Out which is a very small stone circle complex, and southern Egypt goes back to seven thousand BC as well, and that
has the same geometry incidentally as Enclosure D, which is bizarre. And so you know, we know that there's little elements of these dating being found around the world, which kind of links up the Quebecay Tepee era sites with the megalithic sites we know and love. Amazing, really great to hear an update on Go Beckley, Teppy and Kara hand Tappy. Those of you listening. The book we're talking about just was released. It's called Cara. It's called
Go Beckley, Tappy, Carahan Teppy, the World's First megalis. I've been joined with Hugh Newman. Let's talk a little bit about what's going on with you. You have a a conference coming up. Let's talk about that. Let's get into what's going on with some new data. Go ahead, Yeah, well we're going. Yeah, we do the Origins conference, you know during early November, November the fourth this year in pewsey Wiltshire, and yeah, we we we like to, you know, put on our own events
really, you know, we find Andrew's involved, JJ's involved. We've got Robert Temple. Yeah, Robert Temple is huge. I love that guy. Having Finn Curly has done some brilliant work on Mesopotamia. He got irving. Is he actually going to be there physically, Yeah, Yeah, he's brilliant. Yeah. His his work on the the cuneiform, he's written extent. We've had him on the show years ago. Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, I mean getting back on the show is a brilliant, hilarious guy. Oh,
he's fun to have on the program. Now, are you going to stream the conference? Yeah, it's life stream to tell people how they can get that at data. Yeah sure, it's just basically they go to the Megalithomania dot co dot UK website. It's all up there. We're all over social media and everything else. I just want to mention that Graham Phillips are speaking Deborah cut Right as well on animism of the ancients. Graham on his Dogland research around Orkney and everything else. So yeah, so we like to
put these on this is really origins of civilization event. We really want to push back and bring all the latest research into the well. Now we used to do it in London. Now we do it in Wiltshire, so it's kind of local to me and it's a much nicer place to do it. But yeah, we do that. We also Andrew me and JJ we also take groups out Turkey every May and September, amongst other things. We feel it's important. This means I know you're going there as well. This is
this is the time to go. This is it. This next few years is the time of discovery. It's like you go back to like what the seventeen eighteen hundreds in the Jungles of Mexico. You go back to like you know, the early eighteen hundreds in Egypt. Things were being discovered and it's blowing people's minds. All these ideas were coming out. This is what's happening now on the planet in southeast Turkey, this is what people don't realize.
And so we've got to remember some of these sites are going to have roofs built over them, They're going to have be more restrictions on visiting them and things like this. So you got to like this, this is it, this is the two thing, and see them now before they go crazy and go commercial. Yeah, I mean because Quebecley Tepy's already pretty much done that, because they've now got a big to take minibuses up there, they've got visit at center stuff, and it's great. I mean, I appreciate that
that they're protecting it. It's a World Heritage site now. But yeah, I mean, this is this is the era of discovery. It's fascinating. I mean, we were taking groups out there since twenty thirteen and Carra Handteppe, as we mentioned earlier, just had a little pillar tops sticking out of the ground and we went back there many times before it started to ask weback yeah, and so you know, and we had no idea what was underneath. We were just speculating. And so now it's like, oh my god,
it's much better than we could have expected. So yes, it's a great time to get out there and do these things. Yeah. Yeah, did you say you had Hancock in this upcoming conference. He's graham going to be there. He's not going to be there. No, but I did. I saw him recently. He was at the SEAPAC conference. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, he's very supportive of of our research, especially the Winter Solstice thing. You're putting up our articles on his website. He's sort
he's very intrigued by it. And so yeah, we're very pleased about that. Andrew's really supportive of it as well. And yeah, we think, you know, something profound is emerging out of the ground in that part of the world. Yeah, okay, so people, what's the what's the webs say, megal Liithomedia dot com or where do they go get more information about you and your in your work. Yeah, they can just they could just find search for Hugh Human or they can look at Megalithumania. Yes, Megalithomania
dot co dot UK. They can find that. They're also all over social media. Megal Lithomania is most well known for the conference we do every May as well as in Glastonbury. That's the kind of big sort of six day extravaganza tours and conference and everything else. But yeah, but we've got lots of projects on the go. Myself and JJ are working on a new publication very much focused on what similar to what we've been talking about today and getting
into some aspects which haven't really been covered before. And JJ is a brilliant research I know she's been on with me on your show before on the ancient symbolism right before I let you go. I have been working with and you know everybody, And I'm going to mention, uh, Mark Carlotto, Uh, the mathematician Bill Reps who actually built an animated version of the earlier epochs.
He calls them epochs, and this is what we're using. He goes back to the very first epoch around four hundred thousand years ago, which is so long ago it's almost stunning. It freezes you. I'm still hardly trouble getting around them. But between his work and Mark Carlato's aligning these early temples, these early sites, to these earlier North poles, Mark is comfortable with places like Tiwanaku and different places in Egypt for about one hundred and fifty thousand
years ago. And I think that your research and others who are finding these dates like you know, twelve thousand and so forth and so forth, are helping us stretch to the earlier periods. What do you feel or if you could prognosticate what would be the next great number, because I'm thinking parts of early Mexico, Like I was in this tunnel underneath the Quetzoquatal Pyramid, and it's looking like it wasn't the Tiwanaku or the Ttiwacans who built that place.
They found it and this is what's coming up, and I want your quick discussion on this, a quick opinion. It looks like a lot of times these ancient sites were abandoned like Tiwanaku, and another civilization would show up, and we because we don't know anything earlier than that, they are the ones who we pronounce as the builders of these sites. Where what can you comfortably say is the next prediction? Is it going to be a twenty thousand year
old civilization or discovery or or what? What do you say? Yeah, that's a good question that I don't I'm so focused on this, I'm not sure. But one of the things that I mean, Graham mentioned that the Seapac conference actually was which kind of triggered my thinking about this, was reminding
me of the underwater discoveries. Oh, I mean, I think I think that's that's kind of the most unexplored realm when it comes to like super ancient, because you can work out when you know the water was at a certain level, and so some of the stuff he's talking about it is so deep and he's been talking about it for a long time that it would push these dates to the years you're talking about possibly twenty thousand or more years. So
that is fascinating. I can't believe that's still not being taken on board, and more research hasn't been done, because that, I think is where it's at. I think, you know, but then you know, you look at Southeast Turkey and stuff, they deliberately cover oversights and so no one, not even all these cultures coming through these areas, these you know, tribes coming through this, you know, different cultures, wars taking. They don't
even know that stuff's just under the ground. And so what else is going to be found just under the ground what people think of hills or Tepe's or Hyak's and so this is Yeah, it's bewildering, really, and I'm just delighted that it's happening, you know, during our lifetimes, that we're getting to see something emerging from zero point, you know, in Southeast Turkey. Yeah, fantastic, Hugh Newman, as always a pleasure having you on the
program. This new book Gobecley Tappy Karenhan Teppe the world's first megal. This is a fun read and it is available now. So hey, great having you on and we'll see you again, buddy, Thanks so much, Cliff, appreciate it. Yeah. I want to mention that we will be going to go Beckley Teppy. The first ever Earth Ancients t tour is August fourteenth through the twenty fourth of twenty twenty four. We are now taking reservations. I have to say this though, and unfortunately we are almost sold out.
I can't believe it. Almost to a person. We've had a really good response, and I think we're over thirty right now. I don't know if we want to take more than forty people. I think we're at thirty three thirty four. If you want to join us on this tour, send me an email, send it to Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com and I will get you the itinerary. We just got it and we're fine tuning it. We're working on the red page and everything is fantastic. It is
a really great itinerary. We all fly into Istanbul and then we go to our hotel and we begin making a slow journey going through all these ancient sites and museums, and there is so much ancient history there. It's just mind boggling. And we touch base in quebecley Teppe. We actually fly there. Then we come back and we oh, it's just an amazing itinerary. First time we're going to be going there. But I got to say, we're just about sold out, and I feel bad because I didn't realize that we
would have this kind of a response, but I think it's great. So again, if you want to join us on this Turkey tour, it is August fourteenth through the twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. It's with the it's Earth Ancients first. It's going to be an annual tour and it's a VIP. It's really top of the line. All the hotels are amazing, the food, the travel arrangements, all the sites. I haven't been to any of these sides, so I'm looking forward to it. So it's going to
be a blast. August fourteenth to the twenty fourth, twenty twenty four. For more information, go do Earth Ancients for You at Gmail dot com and we'll try to get you a space. It's looking pretty pretty full, so but we'll do what we can. All right, that's it for this program. I want to think my guest today, Hugh Newman, coming to us from I think he's in Aphebury. Yeah, he lives very close to He lives very close to Stonehenge. I found out when I was there last year.
Pretty cool as always, the team of Ruth Thomas and Mark Foster. Thank you for your help. You guys rock all right, take care, be well and we will talk to you next time. You know a