Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff dunning Well. I have returned. I have returned from the California Desert, an area known as Indian Wells, California. It's a suburb of Palm Springs, famous for Bob Hope, the stars, Frank Sinatra, many many, many stars from Hollywood moved relocated to the desert to perhaps get away from Los Angeles. And my guys, some of the homes out there are huge, just monstrous. Contact in
the Desert was excellent. What a great lineup of people. I'll be playing a number of interviews I conducted over the four dayes I was there, and Destiny will actually get a series of these interviews, things that are not necessarily appropriate for Earth Ancients, but to a person there, the lineup was excellent. As a former program director, I had a little hand in shaping this twenty twenty three program, and as it turns out, I'm hoping to be
involved. It looks like I'm going to be involved the podcast Earth Ancients in Future Contacts in the Desert because there's an ancient civilization aspect to it. It's not just aliens UAPs the abduction experience material like that there was a whole section where we had Graham Hancock, man who says today Rob Neelan talking about ancient
Egypt discoveries, Mexico and other ancient cultures around the world. One of the fascinating bits of information came from Doctors Saves the Day where we just learned that a new satellite scan was done of the Great Pyramid. And I'm going to be introducing and providing new information in an interview with man who this coming Saturday the tenth, and you have to see you have to listen to this.
You got to catch this interview because he hasn't provided not only the scientific paper that was published back late last year, but the graphs that show the interior spaces that have been uncovered are also available, and I'll be posting those images and graphs on the Facebook page Earth Ancients Facebook probably in the next couple of
days. Very very very exciting. One of the fun aspects of this is the fact that the Egyptian authorities had nothing to say about it because it was in space and apparently for fifteen or thirty seconds, this highly sophisticated imaging satellite was turned on, it passed over the Great Pyramid at Giza, and my god, it picked up some of the most amazing new aspects, including rooms. We get a clearer view of this big void that everyone's been wondering about.
And when you hear this interview, Menu, who's a physician and he's an MD, is also actually a scientist, and his explanation of how and what they discovered not only is fascinating, but it really shows and proves Chris Dunn's hypothesis that the Great Cheops Pyramid was a machine. Now you can look forward to that this Saturday. As I mentioned on the tenth of June, well, when I present that interview, today's interview is something that I used
to do, which is the alien experience or the alien interactions. In the late nineteen nineties, I've mentioned this before, I was the program director for Whole Life Expo, which was a very unusual conference held in San Francisco every
spring. And what made the program fun for me was the producer, a guy named Kin Kaufman, looked to me and he knew I was interested in a normal and ancient history as well as wellness, personal growth, spiritual and things like that, and he made me the program director after being in software for a number of years. It's really a funny story. I'm just talking
about it really quickly. I went to I was attending Whole Life Expot I think it was nineteen ninety four in San Francisco, and I sat in on some of the presentations and I was very, very impressed, but having an event background someone who manages software at trade shows, I went up to the producer King Kaufman during your break and I said, you know what if you had this, this, and this, and you should look at this person, this person. I think I stunned him and he got back to me
within a week and said, hey, you want a job. And I was working in software, you know, and even in those days, the money was amazing, and I was not happy. I was not happy as a as a marketing manager for a software company because you can imagine what kind of what kind of language I had to use, and the brochures and the annual reports and the marketing was just dry as hell and just boring. So I mean I was looking for an escape. So I jumped on it and
became the program director for Wholeife Expo. I think I want to say nineteen ninety five in a Minute ninety three. About eighteen months later, I became the program director for Wholeife Expo, which at that time was two locations, San Francisco, Chicago, and eventually it would go to seven major cities. But anyhow, this was fertile ground for my interests and reading and background studying anomalies, and as a program director, I started drawing on the latest research.
I started contacting publishers and so forth and so on, and we quickly built a two hundred speaker program that ran over four days in downtown San Francisco, and I had a blast. It was just amazing, and we became noted for the type of show that we produced, which was very much on the cutting edge of a number of topics ancient civilizations, like I said, personal growth, spirituality and wellness and whatever was in between. So really really
well fun show. But one of the areas I was very interested in at that time was the alien interactions, the UFOs, so forth and so on. And in the late nine mid to late nineties, there were three major people, three major authors who were doing hypnosis and were regressing people who had had in their own words, alien interactions. The three biggies in the nineties were got David Jacob, Bud Hopkins, and the King of the Hill,
doctor John mac who's a psychiatrist from Harvard University. Each of them put out very, very detailed books on how people were interacting with off world types. These for the most part, were considered abductions because people were hypnotized or put to sleep and either woke up on a ship, had face to face interactions on the ground, or some of them were shifted into other dimensions or other
realities and had their experience. This all came out and a number of books, probably the most famous is Abductions by doctor John Mack, and there's another book by Bud Hopkins called Intruders What You Need to check Out. So this has all been happening, and all these gentlemen, except for David Jacobs, have passed on, unfortunately, and I thought that the whole phenomenon of alien
abductions alien interactions had died out. Little did I know with my guests today that they have not, and they're just as frequent, they're just as traumatic. And we're gonna hear today from a woman named Yvonne Smith, who is a descendant of these three gentlemen I've spoken to you about and worked directly with Bud Hopkins, who I consider one of the most amazing people when it comes to the phenomena of alien abductions, so real quickly, why did they have
to abduct us? Why did they have to innestsize us or put us to sleep before we interact with him? I think it's a number of things, real quickly. I believe that if you're dealing with a being that's a thousand years old, five, you know whatever, thousands, five hundred years in advance of us, they're vibrating at a higher frequency. Add to that, many of these aliens are just scary looking, huge black eyes, unusual skeletons and body shapes. Some of them are thought to be from a insects species.
Some of them are tall whites, some of them are tall grays. I think that by itself is enough to scare people. And then the fact that they're interacting with people, usually at night, because they don't want to be seen by other people, by locals, and also the technology they will ansticize somebody and using their technology, they will lift them out of their bed
and pass them out the window or through the door. And then sometimes they make the body and transparent, and they can pass through walls, so forth, and so on. It gets really really fantastic. So anyhow, this is still going on, and I like to call them alien interactions, but you're going to hear today that they're really most of them are forced abductions. And the various races that are doing this have been doing it for probably several
decades. And again I was under the impression that it had died down, and that's not true. My guest today, Yvon Smith, will let us
know exactly what's going on. So this is my interest, and this is a conference program that is kind of a launching pad for another series I'm going to do called The Alien Experience, which is going to be headed up with Whitley Strieber, the author of Communion, who has just finished and released his book called Them tem where he goes much further and begins to describe how the visitors are working with people in some cases in other cases still taking what Whitley
calls sexual material, and what he estimates is some kind of a hybrid program creating human like beings to either walk the Earth or perhaps go to other planetary systems. We don't know we just don't know. As a side note, any of you will be wondering where is the government and all of this, Why aren't they not speaking of because it really seems like this is not a few hundred, few thousand people. This could be hundreds of thousands if it's
been going on for several, if not more, decades. There's a suspicion that this is a generational thing and families, parents, grandparents, grandparents, parents, so forth, and so on have been involved in this, and that not only is sperm and ovum taken for whatever purposes we don't know, but legions of people have been part of this, and why our government remains quiet is a real, real problem. I'll address this when we do the
Alien Experience series, and I think it's going to be October. The whole month of October. I'm going to present this. I want you to understand this stuff, and I'm bringing it to you and you might be going, Cliff, what the hell what is this all about? Why? Why this is a big deal? I talk about evolution all the time. I talk about where we're going. If there are off world types on Earth who are interacting with us in this manner, we need to know about it. It
has to stop being I mean, we cover up doesn't cut it. We need to find out what's going on. I don't have an explanation for why our government's not revealing this. And you'll hear throughout this interview and many others during the Alien Experience series that there's a lot of frustration and I think I think it's beginning to come to a head, but it may not. It may remain undercover for many, many more years. So so today's program is
about a woman. Her name is Yvonne Smith. She wrote a book called Chosen about fifteen years ago. She is a hypnotherapist. She works with people who have had these experiences known as alien abductions. She regresses people, she helps them release the trauma that can come out in illness and pain and in depression among other psychological issues. And she's wonderful. She's one of a handful
of these hypnotherapists that are around the country, around the United States. And at the end she'll give you information if you feel that maybe that you know you've had similar experience, this is a way really to relieve some of that and reduce the trauma. So it's most people repress it. They really do. So. Today's program is with Van Smith and the title of the program
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information, Earth Ancients dot com Forward Slash Tours. This is an interesting interview I did with Yvonne Smith, who has been in the UFO field for thirty years and she is also the author of two books. The first book has chosen recollections of UFO abductions through hypnotherapy and her newest book is called Coronado, The President, the Secret Service and Alien Abductions. She founded the Close Encounters Research Organization otherwise known as ZERO, and she's been part of that for over
thirty years, and that includes SERO International. She has lectured nationally and internationally at a variety of conferences. She is a very talented hypnotherapist. She worked with Bud Hopkins, doctor John Mack, and doctor David Jacobs, each recognized as an authority on the alien abduction phenomenon. Was recorded at the Contact in
the Desert conference Sunday, June fourth. We're here at Contact in the Desert and the theme for the most part, I would say eighty percent of the show is on UFOs UAPs alien phenomenon, and of course when we speak of alien phenomenon, we're speaking about alien abduction. And I have found a fascinating speaker. Her name is Jevon Smith. And she has been involved in the phenomenon for thirty years. And what a wonderful pedigree you have, you Von,
and welcome to Earth Ancients. It's great to have you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it when I say pedigree. You have worked with some of the fascinating people in the field of alien abduction. Bud Hopkins, who you personally. What a wonderful guy he was, Yes, David Jacobs, and of course doctor John mac these are all mentors of yours. Talk a little bit about you're working with them. It was a wonderful experience
back in the early nineties. I really opened up my work and my practice in nineteen ninety two, so I started traveling with doctor John Mack, doctor David Jacobs, Bud Hopkins. We went through, I mean throughout the United
States and also in Italy. We traveled over to Italy Bud night. But I was just starting out my hypnotherapy practice, so I became very interested when I first saw Bud's lecture before I even became a certified hypnotherapist, and I was fascinated by what he was talking about and showing his slides of different drawings from abductees I spoke to him a little bit afterwards. And after I became certified. I went through year of school, over a thousand hours of clinical
work and became certified. And when he would Bud would travel to Los Angeles. He would stay with my family. I was married at the time, my boys were my two boys were very young. We were very close, very close. We had an extra room. And then I would drive him.
He would be coming out for interviews, and I would drive him to the interview and have lunch with him and the producers and so farth and here I was a rookie and going into this and and then Bud invited me to observe a couple of his sessions because he would do sessions while he was out here as well. So I'm here in California, he was in New York. And this was before the days of internet. Really, when I started my practice, we were barely yeah night, well, I became certified in
ninety two. We were barely bare or I'm sorry. Ninety one. Ninety two is when I founded my support group. We were barely doing email, barely doing an email, so everything was done on the phone. And you can imagine with David Jacobson Pennsylvania and John mc in Boston, Bud Hopkins in New York, our phone bills. I mean I had had a questionable I had to call them. You know. Now we just said a text, which is you know, we didn't know then if this was going to happen,
but yeah, he became a mentor for me. I didn't realize at the time when I spent time with all of them great friends and colleagues, I didn't know how valuable was at the time. But we would we would lecture throughout the United States. It was an organization at that time called Triad. And after the days you know, conference and lectures, we would all meet at the bar before dinner and we ordered drinks and then I would have questions. I would have your talk. Those guys that are amazing, but
it is not Let's be a little background for our listeners. The abduction experience is so traumatic when you are face to face or in a craft, an alien craft, it causes PTSD is just one of them, and this is one of the specialties of Yvon works with Evan Smith, our guest today. But we are just beginning to understand that it's not simply psychological. It could be physiological, physical problems associated with probes with different kinds of of electrical fields
being passed through the body. This is why Yvon is so unique. And the people we're talking about, Bud Hawkins, David Jacobs, doctor John mac in the nineties and a little bit after. These individuals, unfortunately all have passed away except for Jacobs, who's just very old. These individuals developed protocols and actually helped people like Yvon developed their YO therapy practice because Yvon, wouldn't you say, hypnotherapies really the front or one of the best therapies to begin
unraveling the experience. These people who have gone through talk a little bit about why hymnotherapy is a good tool. It is a very good tool, and I like to dispel all the myths about it where people think that they're unconscious, they're knocked out, they're blacked out, they're not going to remember anything. Well, what happens is rather than talk to them to their conscious mind that as I'm talking to you right now, our conscious mind only makes up
about twenty percent of the mind power. And we're not talking about brain talking about mind power. So I get into the subconscious mind as I'm taking them deep into the state of hypnosis. So you're regressing the relaxing your body, right, I'm relaxing them first, Okay, I'm relaxing them first, getting them into a deep state of hypnosis then so that I'm accessing the subconscious mind, which makes up eighty percent of the total mindpower. That's why our subconscious
is very very strong. We all have that little voice, you know, talking to us. I'll eat that chocolate cake. You know that it's okay, you know, it's like it's very powerful. But a lot of our information get stored at our subconscious, like like we have computers within all of us. So I will take that person, say, and these experiences start
in early childhood. So sometimes my client wants to go back to say they were five years old back then, and we start way back and they're living in whatever state or even whatever country, and we'll start with that particular time and place. I have instances where they the kids, you know, they're playing in a field and their friends, you know, kind of they kind of wanted off from their friends, and later on their friends and the parents. Where are you? Where were you? We were trying to find you.
You know, it's been an hour and everybody's frantic, but you know, comes walking up to them, I got you know, and does it remember or anything? But so I'm sorry, they're going back to a childhood or the earliest abduction experience, your earliest contact agent and automatic for you when you regress that. Well, I will give my client a choice when they come first, I do the I give them an initial consultation. I don't just hypnotize them right up the bat. So initial consultation and then we talk
about what's been happening and what has been bothering them. And of course they're not sleeping like you mentioned post traumatic stress disorder. They're not sleeping. They're hyper vigilant. Something's going to happen, and you can't live like that. It affects a person's everyday life. So I asked them, do you want to go back to your childhood experience or do you want to explore what happened to you a year ago or six months ago. So I give them a
choice, and it's up to the person. But as you can imagine, because this is a lifelong experience, and the experience goes on, it doesn't stop. It goes on throughout the persons. Let's talk about that real quickly, Von. So, Yeah, what you're saying, and this is being report. I think Bud Hopkins brought it up in his book Intruders, but there's others who are more present in relating the fact that when you are abducted,
it's probably something that's generational. It's in your family. This is now somewhat evidential, although it's not officially discussed because the officials are government hospitals. They're not even discuss divisions and associations. They don't bring this up. It's people like you who are training to do this are talking about the abduction experience. And when I say generational, it's individually can go back to a person's
almost you're barely able to walk. Yes. And what you're saying now, which I didn't know, is that it continues even after the most recent It goes into the perhaps the person's final days on the planets. Yes, it doesn't stop this new. Is this something thats No, it just it's a life long experience. Once the beings, whoever they are and wherever they're from, choose somebody. That's why I call my book Chosen. Yeah, they choose that person, they choose that family for whatever reason, we still don't
know yet why that experience follows them to out their entire luck. Then they have children and it'll follow it'll affect the children, you know, and the grandchildren. At every consoleation I do, I always ask about the parents or the grandparents, and it's always maybe on the mother's side or the father's side
or both. And the grandparents. You know, I have been getting reports of Oh my god, my grandmother just blurted out one day and she's at the kitchen window and she said, oh, that's where the flying saucer landed. I mean, and my clients is looking at her like, what are you? What are you talking about? It just gets blurted out like that, and you know, and this is the grandparents, and I figured, you know, some of them will talk about it. Others are very closed
mouth about it. The generation. You say, I'm sorry, it's very intimate. Oh it is, yes, it is. So when they hear their grandparents talking about it, you know they had a sighting or something happened.
I mean, it doesn't surprise me. It shocks them. And then they'll ask, I'll i'd take have you ever talked to your mother or your father, and it's usually one of the parents are both, and if they're siblings, I'd say there's four kids in the family, maybe all four of them will be affected, or maybe two out of the four, And it goes in your generational So it goes on. And also you can imagine I'm working with some of these people for the last thirty two years, as long
as I've been doing this work. So talk about ZERO your organization. You formed it thirty plus years ago. And what's zero means? Zero is close Encounter Resource Organization. It's c r O. It was for the purpose and it is for the purpose of like binded people coming together to talk about their experiences openly without the fear of being ridiculed, not talking without the fear of having public come in. It's the the For thirty one years, the meetings
have been kept very private. I started ZERO in my living room with about six people because I realized that working with abductees, after they left my office, they had no one to talk to. Many times, not even a spouse, family member, certainly not a coworker. Let's stop you real quickly, And because I want our listeners to understand what happens when somebody has an abduction experience. It could be missing time, or they actually remember their abductors
or something in that vein. There's no government agency to go to, is there No, Absolutely not, so they're left to it. It was horrific, and a lot of them are not necessarily the being interaction, but just
the fear factor, and the experience is horrific. They are left to their own devices, and if they go to their psychiatrists or psychologist, what happens, Well, there's a fear there of Some of them are already seen a traditional therapist for whatever, you know, life's issues, a psychologist or a psychiatrist, and they're afraid that if they've mentioned this, they're going to be locked up, you know. And so the advantage that i have though as
a hypnotherapist, I'm almost the last person they'll come to. It's like they've gone through all that traditional therapy for years and years, they've been medicated, and there's still an area that their therapists cannot tap into. But over the years, these therapists have contacted me and I've received referrals from them, telling me, I think this is your area because they don't want to touch this with a ten football. Oh god, they can imagine they're afraid that they're
going to lose their license, and they're afraid of their reputation. Why would they lose their license for somebody who has this experience? Why? I mean, is it? Because I think it's so onto the realm of you know, what they were taught in college, what they were taught in doing their hours and clinical work. Um, it sounds crazy to people and they think that these people who are reporting this are delusional. You know, they need
they need help, they need medication. Well, I think we've we've really made some stride strides over the years since I've been doing this, that more and more people have awakened to this by realizing, Gee, I talked to my friend and my friends that he saw UFO and he thinks he was abducted. And when you know these people that are saying this to you, like, that's my friend I've known for years. I know he's not crazy. You know. Yeah, so you think, Okay, there's got to be
something to this. But this, we really have more of an uphill battle still yet to decline, because I mean, I can understand that the government and it's the government, whatever faction of the government is. I mean, they're looking at okay UAPs and they want they want to identify him as being tracked on radar, and you know the nuts and bolts of it. But there's way more to this. They're not recognizing abductions right now, So tell
me what your feeling is right now. And I want to preface this next question with the fact that when we had the Big three Hopkins, Jacobs, and mac this abduction phenomena was just in books, made into movies, made into it was discussed, discussed. Has it stopped since they've passed on. Oh no, it's still as active and prevalence, it's active, and it's you know, it's a shame. In the nineties, I was doing a lot of shows with some of my Serio members because they wanted to interview people
who have had this experience. We had the show back then, the show Sightings Encounters, Mysterious Universe shows. The TV shows were on all the time and they covered abductions and UFOs where it's not really being covered these days with just a shame, but we were on We must have been on television on those shows once a week once every two week. I mean we're constantly. My living room was turned into a studio, you know, when they want
to come and interview me. Right now, we have shows that are okay, ancient aliens. They talk about UFOs, but they don't cover you know, the current cases, the phenomenon, the abduction. But it's a popular show, but it's still it's not covering what we need to cover. Then there are a lot of ghost shows on now, which is the okay, ghosts exists, they happen, and I'll tell you which a lot of people don't know, don't understand that UFO activity contact intertwines with paranormal It's all it's
like, it's all connected. However it's connected, I don't know yet, but I know that people who have had contact UFO contact experience have also had
paranormal experiences. Let's talk about that in a minute, because there's seems to be some dimensional or as you call it, paranormal halo around some of these alien abduction experiences, Like these aliens work within this dimension of unusual perception and working with Whitley, Steber calls him the Dead in his new book Them, he's actually talking about how the visitors are ramping up the not only abductions, but it appears to be somewhat showing themselves more, which I still don't see.
Let's talk a little bit about And it was funny because when I when I saw you, I go I was like, you know, even it doesn't seem like California is on the map when it comes to abductions, you know what I mean? Talk about California because we're going to get into some people we've had on the show before, like Marion Rudnick from NASA. But such a huge state, one of the next states. I'm a by Mount Shasta and there's sightings of UFOs are on Mount Shasta. But what's going on
with California? What do you see? There are many sightings UFA activity in California, and unfortunately people don't know that because it's not reported on you know, the six o'clock news. This should be one of the biggest stories. But I have people that come to me that are from or not from but live in southern California that many of them are you know, coming in from
other states and areas. But we have a lot of activity in I'm in southern California and northern I have people coming from I'm all over to see me and now I do zoom sessions because of COVID. But um, and I'd like to accommodate a lot. I mean this when I think about this, it happens to millions of people. But in California, we have sightings all the time. We have people that have had abduction, experienced contact experience. So it's so we're just as active, you know, as any place else
that you may have read about. So it's just it's just maybe the fact that because it's not in the news, it's not reported in any large distributed paper and newsletter, it seems to me like there's nothing happened. But you're telling me this is just as active as any place. It's just as active. Yeah. I mean that's the thing is that our news channels, newspapers would ever you know online now, newspapers and magazines. This should be on
the news every day when people have sightings. I mean there's been sightings over the ocean many, many times. I had some of my serial members recorded, you know, film it as the ship's passing over the ocean, yeah, or over the ocean. Some of them are described as orangey color. Others. This one that it was not too long ago, maybe a couple of years ago. It almost looked like the triangle that was hovering over Phoenix.
It was further away, but you can see where this thing was not an airplane, because I say, an airplane will fly by and you can distinctly see the difference. So you know, things like that that people have been experienced seen and unfortunately, the really the general public should know that these things are flying over us. I totally agree with you because that would really help not only these experiencers, but give us an idea of what's happening on
earth with these flyovers, these these face to face abductions. Give us your definition of an abduction from visually seen an aircraft to the actual face to face. Give us the levels if you can, of the abduction experience. Well, it happens in you know, several ways. But there's one thing called the UM oh gosh, what I drive? So I drove like I'm sorry, um screen memory, I must be tired like screen screen screen screen c R E E N screen which the alien beings use to high to disguise what's
actually going on. So they'll put up a facade, fake front or something, and divert the attention of the actual experiencer, divert the attention or make them see make them think they're seeing something that's that or not. A good
example, I'm going to cover this in my lecture this afternoon. People will be driving on the highway wherever, anywhere in the United States, and they are often with family members, you know, other people, and they'll see lights ahead of them, blaking lights, and they'll oh, my god, there's an accident, you know, wonder would happen. And they're driving and as they approach it often there's almost like a fog around it, or if they're driving through, like say, passing it, yeah, and they get
to the other side, it's almost like they don't remember. So they were the experiencers of this facade, which was like, oh, it's a correct and it's actually a U it's actually something else. And I say the blinking lights right, yeah, you're burches sea lights, Well those were actually it
was a craft with probably blinking lights around it. Okay, So when they've passed it, they get to their destination and that what's really strange about this whole thing is that they don't realize until maybe much later that they arrived home, maybe an hour or two pass when they should have arrived home, and they you know exactly, I mean, they've driven that route many times. They know what, we're gonna be home by nine o'clock and it's eleven o'clock.
And can you imagine they're, you know, you're they're wait a minute, this isn't right, you know, And they're haunted by this, sometimes for many years, and but it's still on their mind. Bubble up. They'll they'll talk to their family members, family members say there's maybe two family members that were in the car. They'll see, yah, yeah, I remember that, and that we were late, and that it is. Sometimes the family members don't want to talk about it. It's like, you know,
it just it's too scary. It's it makes it real if they discuss it. So I had people coming to me twenty thirty forty years later saying, I need to know what happened. I know we saw those lights and but we re late coming home. Oh. And in addition to this, they'll have vivid dreams about eyes staring at them or an entity, you know, just or flashbacks. That's how the that's how the subconscious work. So let me let me just talk to you. So when we say abduction phenomenon,
these are events that happen against these individuals. Will right now, let
me just stop you. I want to ask you another question. So this question I'm going to ask you is, have you had any experience with people coming to you who had an alien or a hybrid or somebody who eventually identify themselves as an alien so it wouldn't be like, Okay, we're gonna a nesticize you so you can't move whatever, which is the classic so called Have you had anybody who is met or is allowed to stay themselves without any anesticization
or that's not the word, but body block and meet with them and maybe taken somewhere else, like come on my ship, I want to show you around or something like that. You mean in alien form in the grays, they're in that true form, either a true form or perhaps they are disguised, and then once the person is told who they are, then they become
the grays or something. I don't know. I don't want to I don't want to dial it up too much, but I'm just wondering if you have anybody who has that kind of abduction where they're like, oh, hello, you know, I'm here to see you, and yes, I'm an alien. Is that too? Maybe that's two Hollywood, because what you're talking about one across the board pretty much right, is phenomenon that causes a trauma because they don't know what happened, because they they know something happened, because oh
my god, why were we so late? You know, And the first indication people have asked for that kind of experience, oh you know, I want to be conscious. I want to know what happened. There's been a couple of times where somebody said, I want to know what happened when you come through. I just wanted And the beans did come in, and she saw them consciously, well, she was under hypnosis, no, she I
mean she saw them consciously coming through her sliding glass door. She thought she was ready to have a conscious abduction experience, and she wasn't, and she said it's scared her so much. She got on the floor in the fetal position, and she told me that she came to see me. She said, I thought I was ready because I'd been abducted all my life whole interesting, So she hadn't had the regular abductions. And then when she kind of mentally said, some of them will say that I want to be conscious.
I want I don't know exactly what happens. And I tell people left how a few people say that, and then they had a collegious experience. I said, just be careful what you ask for. God, I gotta shut up because it's gonna happen. Hey, Cliff, how are you doing? I think, and I want you to talk about this. I think the physiological differences of body types. And I've always I've been thinking about this for
years because I've had people like yourself, a whole life expert. When I was a program director and I had Bud, and I had John, I had David, and I didn't think about this until now. But if a species is a thousand, ten thousand, a million years in advance of us,
their physiology is different. And we don't talk about the auric field, the energy field that we have, but when you're with a round up being that is that advance, there's a there's not there's there's more than just the body that we're dealing with, and so if you're interacting with an advanced being, it could be traumatic it could cause fear. Are you talking about a
face conscious Yeah? Sure, yeah, And so your friends, your clients who are saying, yes, I want to, and then the it happens, and then you know, the poor woman who falls into a fetal position. Yeah, my god, I mean, she just she thought she was ready. So I tell people, be careful what you ask for, you know. So it didn't. It hasn't happened often, you know, because I think I think it's a good thing that they do block the memory.
They'll block it completely, because memories will bubble up and then they come to me and I'm able to access, you know, the subconscious. But I don't think I would want to know everything that happened on the ship, you know. I don't think I want to see the instruments they use. I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't, you know. I don't think I would want to know and see all They used, long needle like instruments and they play some in your nasal cavity, you know, in your scalp,
in your temples, the back of your head. We're gonna take a short commercial break and give our sponsors a chance to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest Yvonne Smith, speaking on her work with alien abductees. We'll be right back. My guest today is Yvonne Smith, who is a hypnotherapist and the author of Chosen Recollections of UFO Abductions through Hypnotherapy and her second book, Coronado, the President, the Secret Service and Alien Abductions.
We're talking about her experience as a therapist and the trauma people go through as they are encountering off world beings. Let's talk about that for a little bit. What are they typically doing in your how many people have you progressed? Oh, thousands, thousands, I mean, I'm sure, um, a couple of thousand might be on the low end. But they are basically put through an examination by these beings. They are placed on a table um,
they are examined, you know, from head to toe. They use different types of instruments that, of course we don't know what they're called, but this very typical long needle like instrument. There usually is some kind of a little baby like object at the end. We finally discovered in the nineties that they were implanting people, you know, putting the needle deep in the
nasal cavity. They're placing it, you know, near the brain also the back of their head of course, in other parts of the body as well, so um, you know, and the implants of course, you know that we can only speculate. Are they tracking devices? I think that's partly true. You don't have to have an implant though for them to find you. I mean, I don't think they can find you anywhere, and they do. The ductees will move, I mean all the time. They'll move
thinking that they're going to get away. But now it doesn't work. So I have to be honest with people and tell them it's a lifelong experience. It just doesn't stop. It may lay dormant for a while, it may not happen for a year or more. But down the line, something else will happen that it'll shock many people. Like I thought I was done with them, but then something else happens, I said, And finally I start telling people, you know, once you're in their program, they will have
something for you to do. I mean, I have people in their seventies late seventies, say, what do they want with me? Now? I can't give them eggs? You know, yeah, they That's why I just I just had to develop this, you know, dialogue that you're in their program. You know, they'll they'll need you and they'll have something for you to do. Okay. People will be brought up to the craft. Usually women like a nursery, may like taking care of the babies, taking care
of the hybrid babies, giving them that human touch. You know that they don't they're not capable of interacting with these babies. I see it all the time. Others are men and women are taking aboard to help those coming in for probably the first time, calming them down when they're getting on the putting, laying on the table there abductees, they're helping them calm down. They're helping the alien beans. So I'm calling this, you know, a graduation
period. I said, you know, you've graduated and see one of these people have been very traumatized in the very beginning. And then there's a process, Yeah, going through the regressions, attending the support group meetings. You know, they know that they're not alone, that there's millions of people this is happening to, so they choose different people to bring on board. I have that in my book in Coronado. Do you think that the government is
aware of this. And here's the other scenario. You must have known this. There's certain theories that either Eisenhower are president or one of the presidents following Eisenhower signing an agreement that and this could be complete BS, but I want to hear from you that you that the Grays or certain species can experiment with us in exchange for something, either technology or weapon. I don't know if
it's weaponry or not. But this rumor has persisted for decades, especially the one about Eisenhower in the desert meeting with them, with a certain representative of this alien collective. What do you say, Oh, my gosh, I've heard that since I started in the field, and I, of course I don't have any definitive proof that this has happened. It could make sense that
the government made this agreement because they wanted their technology. This is back in about the sixties, you know, something like that, maybe the late fifties, and that they made disagreement. You can abduct our citizens for whatever purposes you have, but you know, we want to know about your technology. And it could make sense because maybe that's why partly the government has been denying
this all along, that these things don't exist. Um, you know, UAPs, UFOs, whatever you want to call them, they're all the same. They don't exist. So of course they don't exist. How could abductions happen? Um? So I you know, I have no idea if that is true. There have been a lot of what do you call it, um papers that have been passed around UM, and they've been analyzed. It's just the data is just the kind of typing the documents. Documents. Yeah,
yeah, like m J twelve. You can go back. You know, when you start into this, it's just you go down the rabbits. I mean, you come out with more questions and answers. And I thought, that's not my work. I said, I'm not going to delve into the government. I'm not going to I'm not going to request you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna file freedom of information requests. I know that I was
meant to do this work to help people. You're a healer through this, yeah, but as a healer you must feel helpless in a way because here's these thousands of people who desperately need to be relieved of this event and the trouble behind it. And to know that they're not nuts exactly. And this, you know, doing this for so many years. I mean, this can happen. It does happen to anybody and everybody. They do not discriminate.
It's happened to I've had doctors, lawyers, scientists that I've worked with in my in my practice. Um, people that are you know, in because I live in southern California, people are in the entertainment industry. And of course everybody wants to keep it quiet because you know, people don't like I don't want to be known as you know, the abductee and the crazy
one. But they know. But you know, others have come forward, Um, Sammy Hagar um uh Francis, Oh shoot, there's a there's a few of them that have actually said that they think they've had an experience. Several people, I mean, you know, famous people that have signings. Um, it just takes It's going to take one or two real well known celebrities that come forward and say, you know, I've had the six experience since I was a little kid, and this is real. Oh that it's
gonna be okay to talk about it. They're going to have to have a motivation though, and they're also going to have to have some form of support, because even a big name celebrity to go out on a live and say I was abducted and this is what happened, that's going to be very rare circumstances, you know, unless they were in a movie that's made et like Steven Spielberg's movie. And I think Steven Spielberg's an abductee. I mean,
he's so interested in this subject. You know, talk a little bit about the different race of beings, because I think up to this point, we're all considering the grays, and these grays are these unusual, attractive beings that are at fault for doing all kinds of very negative things to Earth humans.
But what other beings are involved in the abduction experience. Well, the ones that I've come across the course in my work, we've got the small little grays that are now in commercials and you know that, uh, they're in our consciousness now, but they are the ones that usually come in and abduct the person. They'll take them on board, and then once the person is on board, they report other beings there. They'll be taller grays. They
look just like a little winds, but they're taller. Sometimes they will wear a uniform type fitting uniform, sometimes a cape, but not always. And then there's the praying mantis. Oh my god, I hear about these insects and I'm like, are you gotta be kidding me? They matthis has these big claws, has an insect head. How the hell are they? They's still into that. It's a being that they described as being very tall.
It's got you know, the head, and they call it a Praing Mattis type because it's got the head of a pre Mattis with the big eyes m and he stands usually and I get him in just about every case I worked with. You get them now, oh yeah, oh yeah, they're they're very prominent in the abduction experience, and they usually are the ones that are
in charge. They'll come in and they'll you know, everything's done telepathically, but they seem to be communicating with the grays like do this, do that, you know, and they're standing you know, back a little bit from the table, but they're giving direction. Sometimes they will interact with the person, you know, with the eyes staring at the person. But they're there all the time. Um. Also, the the ones that look very human. Now they we think they're We used to call them Nordics back in the
nineties. The very human. Yeah, very human, tall, very human looking. Um now now, I was talking to David Jacob several years ago. We think they're those are their perfected hybrids, you know, because they could walk. They're probably here at this conference. You can walk right by them and you wouldn't even know that they're you know, aliens at they're hybrids. The other ones would be a little obvious. But then there's the beans that are um like the light beings. They're almost you know, um,
they glow in a way. I don't come across them often. I mean I do, but they're not like prominent like the others. Then there's the reptilian type who will be there. I don't come across them as often either, but they're there. And they got the scaly skin, they got the you know, vertical I mean, I don't think i'd want to open my eyes and see that in my bedroom. Did so it's like knocked me out. I don't want to see it, but they're there. So they and
they all seem to work together on the ship. They're taken from the abductee's taken from one room to another for different purposes. Some are shown pictures of devastation on our earth, either in their mind or they'll watch it on the
screen. And they're always told we're not taking care of our planet, that general theme, or just me because I hear that, I mean, because that's been going on for days, that's been going on since I've been doing this for thirty years, your planet, that we need to clean it up, that we're not you know, we're not showing it love. But now with the last maybe eleven years, I've been hearing abductees saying that they feel there's something coming soon, that things are going to change. They don't know
what, but they feel an anxiety. I called it in my book Chosen the Urgency. Many are saying, I know I'm supposed to be doing something, but I don't know what it is, and I'm not happy with the work that they're doing, their career that they're in, and they have to change somehow. Some of acty change their careers to work more on our improving
our environment. And lately the last couple years, it seems to they say it's ratching up whatever it is, and no one and I've really paid attention to this because none of the abductees I talked to have given any date or year, like going through, Oh my god, the year two thousand, you know, all of our computers, We're going to blow up and things. And then twenty twelve, the mind calendar that was going to be the end of the of the world. Well nothing happened. You know, we
went through this periodically. But I'm paying attention now because no one is predicting a date. But they're all saying the same thing. And people still don't know each other that are saying this, Yeah, I've been feeling like something that happened. They will store up on extra food, extra water, look at a generator. Nobody's saying either that you know the world's going to end, or but they they've been shown pictures of bombs exploding, building's fallings,
tsunamis. I covered this in some of my lectures of flooding, and these are calmly apocalyptic dreams that just about every abductee has, I guess has been. Yvonne Smith. She is a hypnotherapist. She has the author of Chosen and it's wonderful speaking with you if you could. As a final question, give us a sense of what this abduction phenomenon is resulting in. I mean, Streeber believes that there are hybrids that are being created to save our humanity.
Another person I've spoken to says that they want to create beings that can walk among us. And this might be going on right now. You give us you know, there could be humanoids that are look just like us, but they're like alien. What would you say? I know now. And I couldn't have said this twenty years ago because it sounded too crazy. Even talking about the hybridization program sounded crazy. I never covered it on a talk show and never said anything about it. But I have to go where my
research takes me. Yea. So I feel that the hybridization program has been very central to this because people are being shown these babies and children in different stages of growth. They're told these are there. Some of them have been thanked, you know for these children, Thank you for helping us. I feel that they are walking among us now. Really, I've had people say,
you don't, you don't, You wouldn't. You couldn't tell unless like they have a conversation with them, and there's something about their eyes, like almost like they're reading you, and they're some of them are very thin, you know. I had a picture that one of my clients drew of she thought she met one and it was like a movie premiere, and she goes, I thought he was homeless because the way he looked just really gone. But he was very intelligent. He drove a car, and so she got
some strange feelings about it. There's been many. My own mother, I think, had an encounter with a hybrid in the sixties. This was right after the Betty Barney hillcase, and it was she walked into the restaurant where she was having a coffee break, very tall, you know, very just manicured. I mean he looked he was very they're usually very nice looking, but this was in she worked and we lived in a Predomity Hispanic area in Los Angeles, and my mom didn't drive, so she worked in her office.
She walked down to the corner where there was a restaurant for her coffee break, so there was really nobody else there, and he walked in and she noticed him, you know, like oh, but then she went back to whatever she was doing and he comes right up to her and said to me, I sit here and she's looking around like, you know, there's other tables, and she sat down with her and he looked at her and he just looked at her and said, why don't you tell him what you're
thinking? And she just said he was like in my mind, like in my brain because she was thinking about someone that she really cared about. It was her boss. And the way she said, the way he said it, it was like she was he took words, you know, from her, and she goes, it wasn't like he was trying to pick me up or he was very nice, and but she ran out of there. She freaked out so bad. She grabbed her boss, brought him down to the She was like, there's this person there and it's like she just she was
just freaked out. Was there? So she comes in with her boss. The waitress comes in and she goes, who where's that man that was sitting with me? The waitress comes in with her coffee ball. She says, there was no one sitting with you. Oh that's when my mom really freaked
out. And the boss freaked out. It's like because he knows she's not crazy and the but the so that was my first experience was someone encountering, which I think now was a hybrid because he was tall, blonde, very humility, but walking around in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood where he would stick out like a sore thumb. But he probably when he left there, probably he
disappeared or went into another dimension. But she never forgot it. And you know how if you ever listened to Betty Hill talk about her experience, same with my mother. When someone is telling the truth and there's something very traumatic happen, they don't change the story. It's the same year after year. Yeah, and up until my mother died, we talked about I tried to regress her and she could only go to a certain extent of describing them.
But it was almost like she wasn't supposed to remember everything. We could talk I know hours about this. You've been wonderful. So how can people find out more about you? What's your web address? My website is hypnotherapist evonsmith dot com. And if they liked, well, my emails on the website, so they can email from there. There's forms they could download it they
like to schedule a consultation, an appointment for regression. And the big question in regarding that is, if they're in another country or another state and they don't want to cut in California. Are you part of a collective of resource? I am now doing zoom sessions, and I've done them for people in other countries. Okay, good consultations and regressions, and they have worked beautifully. After or during COVID, many of us had to reinvent ourselves. I'll
tell you COVID happened. We were all locked up, but abductions did not stop. Oh boy, Okay, Now you also mentioned that you're doing a training. Talked about your training. I'm training therapists who are interested in doing this work, incorporating some abduction cases in their clientele. It's the end of July, over a weekend Saturday and Sunday. Check out my website if you
would like to sign up. We need more therapist trained. Please email me reading the next generation of them right, because you guys are getting long enough, getting old. I didn't say old. I'm hoping I can have another thirty two years in this, but wow, you'd be a wonderful Hey, Yvonne, thank you very much, Thank you great to have you. Thank you so much. I could have spoken with her for another couple of hours
because it's fascinating, and obviously she's not giving people's names out. But there's a lot of different conditions that are caused by trauma, and somebody might be having a bad dream and then continually see these entities and that's kind of a clue, and then you know, having daydreams of it and then flashes and things like that all lead to possibility of alien contact and ultimate abduction. So there's also a class of people that are have fantastic imaginations, and hypnotherapy weeds
that out. So we don't know now. When the new series in October comes out, the Alien Experience, we're going to hear from people who have had direct contact with alien species, alien cultures, and in some of those
cases they are meeting with aliens outside of their craft at a distance. There's very rare, if ever, real close contact because you're looking at a being from another planet and they could have gravity that's different, they could have environments that are different, and have cellular reproduction that's different, and they look different. So you know, it's going to scare the hell out of most of us here. I mean, I mean, I've always said, hey,
I want to speed this up. I want to have alien contact. But you know, oh boy, when the time comes, what will be my reaction. I'll go run, run away. I don't know, I think most of us would. That's what we need to have a progression. First, Let's find the archaeology. Be it on Mars, be it on the moon. You know, there's this whole alien artifact discovery in Mexico where they're
finding all these artifacts. I'm still not convinced that they're that they're real, but something like that to make it easier, some kind of progression from archaeology to symbology to symbols to radio contact, to the government disclosing that they understand there's ships and this is the classification of ships they found the diamond shape, the triangle shape, the saucer shape, whatever, and then get a sense of the species, you know, and then it's just a progression so that
we're all kind of comfortable when you know, we they land, they come out of their ships of laughing. It's not funny, it's it's scary as hell. But we gotta get going on this. So I hope you enjoyed that. So yeah, there's all. And the other thing is there's all kinds of different types of experiences the abduction experience. As you will hear when we get Willie Streber on his program, he has lived through hell. You know, he uses words like rape and you know, sexual penetration and I
mean it's not pleasurable at all in his case. And then some of the
people that he's speaking to. So when his book came out, Communion, it scared the Bejesus out of me, not only the movie, but reading the book and following it up with the letters that I think he got in the neighborhood of ten thousand or more letters from people who responded to not only the cover of the book Communion, but the movie and basically sent Whitley and his wife and recollections their own experiences of being in contact or having an abduction
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