Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. We're talking about cannabis again. We haven't spoken or had anyone on the show that is focused on cannabis, its use, its cultivation, and the true plant medicine that we refer to a lot on this show. And this is an election year. It's a presidential election year, but it's all in the United States, that is, and it's also there's other elections going on Senate and Congress,
local officials in every state. And I'm really still perplexed why the United States as a whole hasn't legalized cannabis. It's a slow process and the states that are still banning cannabis seem to be kind of out of touch or they have people in the administration who just don't understand that it has medicinal purposes, it has healing purposes. It's the focus used to be crazy cannabis, crazy marijuana, crazy weed. You know, it leads to the use of other drugs
and more stimulants and eventually leads to a life of crime. That's almost like a story book. It's a big myth. Really, it's a crazy myth. And you know, I wrote a book on cannabis a couple of years ago called Cannabis and Sexual Ecstasy for Men. We had doctor Pepper Hernandez on the show for a number of years, and you know it was I mean, I was really rocking and rolling with it, and my you know,
interest in other topics superseded the cannabis side. But so today we're featuring a new book, a new author who is really a modern shaman, but within the confines of the United States. She's actually an educated, highly educated therapist who uses cannabis in her practice. And you know, when it was outlawed in the sixties and nineteen seventies here in the United States, we lost years of important research that recently has been picked up and we're starting to look at
cannabis a little more. But it is a powerful healing tool. And also, you know, people are afraid of the psycho active effects, the THCHC levels and so forth and so on. We're now finding that a little THC, a little altered consciousness is good and it leads to other positive factors to the consciousness of the brain, to the emotional state. We're going to hear all about this today. But one of the things that I am really supporting
is people cultivating their own plants. And now, no matter where you live in the United States, you can purchase seeds, and these cannabis seeds when planted, you know, you can put a pot on your windowsill in your backyard. It's if it's covered or not covered, but it's shielded from the prying eyes of others, and you can grow your own cannabis plants. And I did it for years. I grew all types of strains. We're here in northern California, so we're kind of in the epicenter of good plants.
Here. We can get what they call clones with your trimmings from a mother plant or a main plant, and clones grow a lot quicker because you don't have to do the seed germination and then plant the seed and grow the seedling into a clone and then eventually into a plant. But wherever you are, if you're interested in cannabis and you cannot get it in your state, consider
growing it in your home. And when you grow your own plants, not only do you develop a strong attachment to that plant, but whatever is produced in the form of flour, leaves, stalks, or whatever can be used in all kinds of really amazing ways. First of all, when you dry your flour, that can be smoked, that can be vaped, it can be ground up and used in topicals that can be used, and if you're really sophisticated, you can make edibles. You can use the plant material in
blended mixes. And as we're going to hear today, these plant allies, these plant medicines that we can create for ourselves are extremely healing mind, body, and spirit healing to the point where it's almost criminal not to be using plant medicines in the form of cannabis on a regular basis. Now, no matter where you're at, you've all heard about the CBD revolution, and what that means is that literally everything that is for healing bone, musculature, ligaments,
organs can be affected by the use of CBD products. And the real problem now is everybody and his mother are making CBD products, and if they're commercially grown and processed with chemicals, they kind of defeat the process. We're going to learn a little bit about how to find and purchase CBD products that are helpful, and I think to date CBD is available anywhere in the United
States. It's a it's a illegal product, you can get it, I think in some of these like Farma, nott pharmacies, but drug stores, you can get CBD products. It's readily available online and eventually you're gonna be able to get CBD in the form of gummies that have a little THAC in it. And it's funny because I got a product with THC in at the end of the day that had a gummy. It was a gummy and I got it in the mail. It was weird because I didn't fill out anything.
I'm kind of I'm still looking into it. I don't know if it's a mistake or not. Of course, I live in California and cannabis is legal, and if you're in the state, it can be mailed to you. But I believe this is a company that was out of state, and I think we have certain restrictions and it could be even laws that ban out of state companies from sending cannabis products. So I'll have to look a little closer at that. But the point I'm trying to make is if you live
in a state that has outlawed cannabis, consider growing it. And it's a very easy plant to grow. You can go online and find very simple ways to germinate a seed. I've done it many times. You germinate your seed, you plant it in mineral, compost rich soil, and you let it sit, you water it a little bit. All of a sudden it's a plant. You plant that seedling in a larger pot and watch it grow. And when it's matured, you got buds, you got seeds, you got
leaves, you got stock. You got all that you need to begin working with the vital ingredients of plant medicine known as cannabis. So check it out and if you have any questions whatsoever, send me an email, send it to Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com and say, hey, tell me more about this. I want to know what's going on, and I'll try to give you some reference material. But my guest today is Wendy Reid.
She has written a book called Cannabis Therapy, a Complete Guide, and within this book you can find what you need or go to her website or one of many websites that show you how to simply cultivate a few seeds into plant medicine. All right, that's our program today. It's been a while since we've had anyone speaking on cannabis, and as you know, I did write my own book on it a few years ago. Now, Cannabis and
Sexual Ecstasy for Men. We've had a number of experts, including Pepper Hernandez and others who are in the what they are called the Golden Triangle of Northern California. Now well we call it the Emerald, the Emerald Triangle. Thank you, kin a shout out to doctor Pepper Hernandez who was one of my students. I love her. Oh, excellent, wonderful. There's a new book out and we have the author with us today. It's called Cannabis Therapy,
A Complete Guide. The author is Wendy Read. And let me tell you a little bit about Wendy. She is a certified herbalist, holistic massage therapist, plant spirit healing practitioner. She has a degree about degree in biochemistry. And what makes her unique is that she's studying not only with herbalists, but shamanic healers, plant medicine specialists from around the world. We're gonna talk
a little bit about that in a minute. And she has her own she's a spiritual counselor, but she's a founding minister in caretakers Garden, and she's taught at Motherland's Sanctuary. And you have your own institute. It's called the California Healing Institute. And she's in northern California. She's in this Emerald triangle that she's just telling us about. So, Hey, Wendy, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you. Hey, I'm excited to be here.
Let's start by talking a little bit about your background. I have some friends who spent time in the Peace Corps, and it's funny how you describe your kind of being immersed in these different cultures. A lot of other countries, a lot of other people live Earth standards rather than the kind of artificial standards that we live in here in the United States. What was impressive about living
in Guatemala in Africa and working with and experiencing those shamanic practices. Well, I think what I was doing when I first set out after I graduated and I set out doing some real international travel, was I was looking for communities that lived closer to the Earth. You know, I grew up in Suburbia, went to school in suburbia, and could see all the detrimental effects of suburbia, and I just wanted to find people that lived a little close to
the earth. And any time I found them, any tribe I stayed with, they almost always had a traditional dealer and whose job basically was to go out and form spiritual relationships with the world around them and learn things and then bring those things back to the community and share it with the community. And so they're a direct connection to the spiritual world for their whole tribe, and
that almost always involves healing in one way or the other. And some of them are strictly spiritual healers and some of them, a lot of them also incorporate herbal medicine and herbal healing and using the herbs around them. And so I found what I was looking for and was able to work with these people.
And it was so mind blowing and heart opening and very inspirational to know that this still existed out there, even in places that had been colonialized, even places that had had their basic religions, you know, smashed by colonial religions. But that's that tie to the earth and the elements and the spirit
world is so strong in human beings that we can't stamp it out. Yeah, what do you think in your observation of these shamanic healings, these herbal healers, the difference and the effects of their treatment versus what we have here in America, which is the allopathic model. Well, that is a book
in itself, isn't it. Yes, I'm just curious about you, because if you're seeing a shaman diagnose and then working with the spirit of that individual and then using plant medicine and other systems of healing, the difference an effect is really a curiosity for me. You talk a little bit about in your book. Yeah. Well, it's like if we go to the doctor today, we wait a long time, we finally get in to see a doctor,
they spend maybe twenty minutes with us. They goes only about one aspect of ourselves, whatever our current complaint is, and they don't get to know us as people at all, as whole beings. And if you go and work with a traditional healer, they are going to take the time to get
to know every aspect of yourself, every single physical ailment. They're going to get to know your mental health, they're going to get to know if you're spiritually connected, and then they're going to put that all together like a puzzle, and work with multiple tools for helping you improve your health in different ways, So working with spiritual tools, working with mental health tools, and also
working with herbal medicines and other energetic healing or spiritual healing methods. So you're getting treated as a whole person and you're improving your health on all levels, and you're not You know, the doctors tend to offer eitherharmaceuticals or surgery. They have excellent diagnostics using machines. They are not diagnosticians themselves anymore. They can't look at your skin, your tongue and feel your pulse and give you
diagnosis. They have to put you through all the machines and the robots, and the robots give you their diagnosis, which is a blessing, you know, it is a blessing in some ways. But then you know, the pharmaceuticals will tend to mostly what the doctors diagnoses are actually symptoms of deeper issues going on, and they'll give you pharmaceuticals to suppress those symptoms, which can actually make the whole problem even worse. Talk a little bit about the suppression,
because I know what you're talking about. But for our listeners, when you get a drug. It's not necessarily to eradicate a promise, usually to suppress a pain or nausea or something that is bothering us. Right, Yeah, well, I mean there's there's a lot of examples. For example, somebody has high blood pressure and the doctor learns that they have high blood pressure. That's the only thing the doctor knows about them, and they give them
a pill to bring the blood pressure down. Well that we don't even know what was causing the high blood pressure. The person takes the pill and feels like they're healed, and no, they're not. The thing that caused the high blood pressure is still there and still a metabolic disorder, and they're not
improving their metabolic health at all. They're just suppressing that symptom. And so we see the same thing in diabetes, where you're taking a pill to get your cells to bring sugar in at the right rate, but that doesn't address the fact that probably your scleen needs, you know, cleaned out a lot of metabolic disorder, other metabolic disorders, and then probably there's some emotional endoremental component, and quite often there's a spiritual component to everything involved. And so
just treating one symptom of one condition can almost be harmful. It can save your life without a doubt. You know, high blood pressure medication can save somebody's life, but it doesn't treat the actual problem. Isn't it funny that the allopathic model does not address someone's mental condition, what stress they've been under. The questions are very limited on you know, what your relationships are, like how's your job. I never have heard any doctors in that system ask
me those questions. And that's very critical, isn't it, Because your emotions can really dictate what's going on with your body. Yeah, And I would say it's not just an allopathic medicine issue. It's a Western societal issue.
And we can see now in our societies that the mental health of people are is just mumbling, and we're having tremendous societal issues now because the mental health of all of society is crumbling and there's no support there, and no one ever learns tools to correct their mental health, and no one has support for mental health, and so we have things like homelessness, addiction, violence, you know, and on and on and on because nobody from childhood onward.
First of all, there's no one there diagnosing it or finding out that, oh, this child is having mental or emotional difficulties, let's deal with this now. And there's no one at the high school level. There's no mental health issue support and beyond, and so we're not even finding people that are out of balance early enough to correct this situation, let alone have any way
to help. If you are addicted to a drug, which is a symptom of a greater difficulty, there's not even support for addicts in our societies. I mean, if I have a client who is addicted to alcohol or drugs, there is no place that they can go to get cleaned up that's affordable. So our whole society, number one, we try to ignore mental health issues. If there's mental health issues, we try to put them under the
rug. There's shame around it, so we don't want to admit that someone in our family has mental health issues, and then we can't get support. So you have even the mentally healthy people in a family trying to take care of someone with mental illness and they're not qualified and it hurts, it harms their mental health, and so on and so on and so on. It's a ripple effect out throughout all of society. So we're looking at both the
microcosm and the macrocosm. What's the outcome of this. Do you see a movement for more of a holistic wealth this in the United States, in the Western culture, or is it just going to play itself out and we're going to have people who are walking wounded, which we have right now. Yeah. I all things are in cycles, aren't they. And if we look at the greater cycle, and we look at the greater, greater, greater cycle, say the Kali Yurga or the you know, the great cycles,
thank you. The Yugas are what I follow, and we talk about the Yugas constantly. We're in this Cali yoga kind of the dark ages of of wellness, and hopefully in a few hundred years it'll change. So but go ahead. I'm sorry. Unfortunately, the Kali Yurgo would be tens of thousands of years before we would change. So I thought we were kind of ending the Cali Cali Oh no, oh no, we've barely begun. But you know that's that's the very macrocosm viewpoint, and we can bring that, bring
that down and see. So I think part of what we see is this disparity now in Western culture between the haves and the have nots. And those people that have they might have some access to holistic healing and to mental health, they have to really seek it out, but the have nots don't have any access to that. It's, you know, been a goal of mine in my school all these years to we say we want we want an herbalist in every family and a healer in every community. Uh so that people have
access to that. It's it's slowly happening. There is a lot of education, and I have to say, for all of the down sides of the commercialization and the legalization of cannabis medicine, there's some upsides and some hope there because she alone is able to go out there and help people heal themselves holistically.
And that's part of what this book is about. Is if you have this book in your hand, you can address your issue use on the mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical level, and learn how to use cannabis to help you shift all of those Yeah, I want you to talk about the latest revolution in cannabis, which is discovery of the endocannabinoid system as it relates to wellness and how we can use cannabis to work with the body's natural system and get the benefits of that. Well, that is that's a really
big question. So well, I mean a little bit of time here, Yeah, just to talk a little bit about why it's important to use cannabis and not just because, oh it makes me feel good. The body actually has a cell system, a physiology that's complementary. Two. Absolutely, Yeah, let's talk about that. Okay. Well, to understand to truly understand the endocannabinoid system, which we sometimes call the E, you really have to
look at its evolution, and so you have to go way back. You have to go thirty four million years back to when we had little single celled organisms floating around in Mama ocean. And these little single celled organisms were self contained in all ways except for they, like us, needed community. They needed to communicate. So to communicate with each other, they would send out
little chemical packets of information and let it float around in the ocean. And if when they wanted to receive information, they would send out a little receptor and they would fish that chemical packet out of the ocean, bring it inside themselves and learn the information. So those little chemical packets, if they were sending out and receiving were actually cannabinoids. They were actually small twenty to twenty two carbon molecules that would they would bring into the cell and it would turn
up cellular function or turn down cellular function, regulate it that way. So these little single cell organisms, eventually they learned that floating around together and like a little raft was great because the people on the outside of the colony could take in nutrients. So people on the inside of the colony were really really protected from viruses and predators. So they formed colonies. They went on to form multicellular organization organisms, you know, by putting a cell membrane around all
of those cells. But still within that organism, they're sending cannabinoids back and
forth throughout the system in order to regulate all the system's functions. And so we could come all the way up to today where every single mammal and bird and some well we don't say insects, but spiders, we found half this endocannabinoid system, and we are all still sending cannabinoids out into our bloodstream, bringing them in through through our receptors, and they are telling ourselves to speed up the function, slow down, a function change the function, or in
general, they're inhibitors, so in general they slow down functions, but they do all the things. So every system in our body is regulated by the endocannabinoid system. So your hormone system, your nervous system, your digestive system, your reproductive system, your respiratory system, and systems that we don't even know about are all controlled with the endocannabinoid system. And the ultimate goal of the endocannabinoid system is to bring us into balance or what the doctor's call homeostasis.
So always is a constant biochemical adjustments, tiny little adjustments all the time to the machine to try to keep us into balance. So this endocannabinoid system can also be supplemented with what we call phytocannabinoidoids or plant cannabinoids. So up till recently, the only plant we knew of that produced these cannabinoids was cannabis.
And so here's this plant that co evolved with us for all those hundreds of thousands of years, and it's producing molecules that will come in and balance our systems in addition to many other functions, which I'm sure we'll talk about later. Yeah, So does that answer your question very beautifully and thank you for that, because that's a lot to bite off, and you do it elegantly. Thank you. It's funny because when I began studying the cannabis plant,
it's almost like it was made for human beings, our physiology. And I always think, whoever our creators are, And there's a lot of people who believe that we come from another planetary system and that we were placed here. It's like, Okay, we're going to place you on the planet Earth. And by the way, here's a plant medicine you can use to heal, to enlighten yourself and to enjoy being physical. It's just such an amazing plant. Why would you limit that to just human beings? For me?
And why would you limit that to just human beings? Because that plant has coevolved with all the man right, But I'm being selfish. I'm thinking just for the human right, right, but your little dog too. But what do you say to that? Is it? Is it? When you began
studying, it was like, Wow, it's funny. It has the same cellular cannabinoids and it can heal and it I mean, it's so funny because it was legalized and we lost years of research because it was not allowed to be studied, and so we're still we're just kind of picking it up now in the last decade or more in terms of its healing ability. Yeah, the research, the best research was coming out of Israel, and they did discover for well, first they discovered THHC way back in the sixties. They
discovered the end of phenomenon system in the early nineties. But of course, in America, you know, it was illegal to do any research. So most of the research was coming out of Israel, a little bit out of Spain, and it was there, but it was just sitting there and nobody
was able to, you know, say hey, you know. So another reason I wrote this book was because the book is full of the research, and since then we have been able to do a lot more research, and just more recently it looks like they might reschedule it from schedule one down to schedule three, which is still kind of bullshit. Can I say that on your show, of course, but it opened up it may open up a little bit more ability to research it. I mean, there's so much research
that we could benefit from here. But as an herbalist, when you come from the herbal viewpoint, we very strongly value oral history, and we very strongly value stories or what the scientists near anecdotal stories, right, So we follow these stories back through cultures and history through time, and we see that this plant has been used in all these ways extremely successfully for seven or eight thousand years that we know of, you know, and before that, all
the animals you know, and all the humans we're also using the plant. There's just no records of that. So it's it's we have co evolved with it. It is part of us, and we are part of it. And it's a little similar to well, we all have an uh, well
now we know what it's called as an orphan system. So when we discovered human beings discovered or started using opium poppies, which was probably you know, ten thousand years ago, scientists wanted to figure out why opium affects us the way it does, and they turned out, oh, we have our own opium system inside of ourselves. We call it an endorphin system and though meaning inside fiene meaning you know, an opiate like morphine, heroin, all those
things. So we have we we've co evolved with herbs and funguses and things in our world. And because we've co evolved with them. We can use each other in a in a tremendous way. And we're not just using marijuana. She is using us. I have no doubt whatsoever that she is using
us. I mean, even in our little Emerald triangle, the ability of these master growers to read this plant to at such an extent that it's unbelievable how much change they put into this plant, and how much change they're still putting into this plant, and the plant, how much the plant is thriving, and how much they love each other. So she is using us as well, because we have an ability to breed her and help her reach her potential, just like she gives us the ability to reach our potential. Let's
talk a little bit about the use of cannabis. I want to start with the one area that people kind of are concerned about people who are new to using cannabis, and that is the psychoactive effect. Now, when I was growing up in northern California, you know, we would get bags of cannabis that had seeds and stems and stuff, and that was a very weak version. Perhaps it was grown in Mexico, I don't remember, but there was
a psychoactive effect you got buzz, you got high. And today's cannabis is so much stronger, so much actually a better product, and it's much more refined. You only need one little hit and you're you're done. But is the high of the THC, which is the chemical, important for healing or is that just one aspect of using the plant? Well, absolutely, it's
important for healing for for many, many, many many people. So when when the Eerald Triangle brewers got a hold of this plant, they the only thing they knew that it did was make people high, So they bred it for stronger and stronger high, which turns out it's a higher and higher concentration
of THHC. THHC is the only psychoactive chemical in cannabis. Although there's over one hundred and fifty different cannabinoids and dozens and dozens of terpenes and phenols and alkaloids and you know, all these other medicinal components, but TFC is really
the only one that is very psychoactive. So they bred for this really high psychoactive cannabis the one hit wonder right, But now that we but when we started learning about this about twenty years ago, we got we got involved with this and learning about the other cannabinoids, and also learning about cannabinoid acids, which are an entirely different chemical in cannabis, with entirely different palette of medicinal
factors. We started breeding I guess you could call it heirloom plants. We would find the old strains and lo and behold, these old strains had a much more broad profile of not just cannabinoids, but all these other dismal effects.
So they're rebreeding plants, they're bringing back in. They're making it a more holistic plant once again, and that's going to benefit all of us because because all all the chemicals in the plant work together synergistically, meaning when they work together, the sum of the effect is much much greater than the parts.
For example, THHC is psychoactive, and C will actually elevate the heart rate, and this is an effect that makes some people feel nervous, sometimes almost paranoid, depending on who the person is, because if the body feels the heart beating faster, the body feels like, oh, I must be under threat. I'm preparing to fight or flee or freeze. And so then the mind kicks in and goes, well, what's there to worry about, you know, the mind can usually find something and that can lead to paranoia.
Now there's another a cannabinoid in the plant called CBD. Cbd is what we call angiolytic or calming. So when you use THHC and CBD together, you don't get the elevated heart rate, you don't get the paranoia, you don't get the nervousness around it, and you get a little bit different kind of high. If it's just THHC, you'll get a quick high peek and it'll and it'll fall off really quick the psychoactive effect. If you're using both together, it's kind of a long low, you know thing. So the
whole plant medicine works much better. We made a little bit of a mistake in our breeding back then because we didn't know, and so this, these really high concentrations of THC in a plant without the other cannabinoids to balance it out, may not be the best medicine for a lot of people. But to get back to the fact of getting high and why I think getting high is good for you, there's a lot of reasons I think getting high is good for you, depending on the person. Is because it it okay let's
say, there's so many reasons. It changes our perspective, right, that's one of the biggest reasons. So it changes our own view of our own problems and difficulties, It changes our view of our past traumas, it changes our ability to respond versus react in mental health issues, and it is the
great enhancer. So the key to health in some ways is happiness. And if you look at happiness research, you'll discover that you know, things like a narrow viewpoint or kind of a closed, closed attitude can actually read up to heart acts, right, it can. It becomes it becomes, you
know, a problem, a medical problem. So by using marijuana, which helps enhance activities that we may or tools that we may be using to handle stress or mental health issues, it's it's supporting our own ability to heal ourselves from past traumas or mental health issues. And it's supporting us in doing things like exercising, meditating, yoga, hiking, and my old time most important
one for myself connection to nature. So all of these things and also a spiritual connection which some people have and some people don't, but is actually a part of holistic health. Cannabis is right there to help us make those connections, enhance those activities, and face the problems that we're dealing with on a mental health level. That's a wonderful, wonderful answer to that question. Are we supposed to be altered at some point during our regular activities as a physical
being on earth? I mean, this is kind of a weird question, but I'm curious. Is it important for us to see perspective, see our reality from this altered point of view. All human beings and many, many, many animals have used plants or funguses to alter their consciousness. All human beings from the beginning of time have used substances like this. We tend to call them now and theogens. And theogens is a new word which basically means
engendering the god within or connecting with the spirits. But we can go back. We can see, like when I lived in Africa, the elephants love to get drunk. They would eat the marula, which is a fruit, a low hanging fruit on a tree after it had begun to ferment. They would go through a woods full of marula trees. They would shake the trees till the marula fruit fell to the ground. They would go away. They would come back three or four days later when the marula had started to ferment.
They would eat the marula. They would get drunk, and they would terrorize villages. I mean, you'd never want to see a herd of drunk elephants. It's insane the amount of damage they can do, but they chose to do that. We have birds that eat berries that have fermented, and we laugh at them because they get drunk and they fly into our windows. But when they study those birds, they realize those birds are stuffing themselves with
berries that they normally wouldn't do just for nutrition. Maybe for nutrition they'd eat two or three berries, but boy, when those mans anita berries or those madrone berries start to ferment, those birds will just stuff themselves with it and have a gale time up in the trees. Right, So, animals and humans have always done this a way to you know, yeah, shift your
consciousness. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, Wendy Reid,
discussing her new release Cannabis Therapy. Will be you right back. My guest today is Wendy Reid, who has spent decades studying the effects and usage of cannabis, a really powerful plant medicine, and written a new book called Cannabis Therapy, A Complete Guide. I want to talk about the various applications that you feature in this book, and for those of you listening, Wendy's done an excellent job in outlining how to apply cannabis. Let's talk rogue briefly
about topicals, which are a growing trend. I use a cannabis ointment when I have rashes and it clears it up really, really fast. But talk about how this plant medicine can be used for various topical applicat sure, so she loves us so much and she wants to be inside us so much that she will enter through our skin. She will enter through our respiratory system, she will enter through our digestive systems. She will enter through our eyes and
our ears, She'll enter through our heart and our spirits. So she just can move in and out of us at will. So when we are applying a medicine with her, generally we want to apply it as close to the location of the issue as possible. So if we have a really bad knee from that high school football issue. We can apply either an alcohol based medicine which will go right through the skin, or an oil based medicine like your ointments, your salves, or your oils, and that will also go right
through the skin and into the joint. And we can add other herbs to that, because herbs always work bad or in formula, and not just do we want a whole plant medicine, but we want multiple plants. So when we add comfrey or colendula or Saint John's wort to a cannabis ointment or a cannabis save again, the healing aspects increase exponentially in a synergistic way. And so applying cannabis, you know, with a foot bath, you know you
can put there are water soluble chemicals in cannabis. You can put a little oil also in the foot bath and it will draw out more the cannabis. Our feet are very porous, and they're designed to take medicine in because we're designed to walk bare foot across medicinal plants and take a little bit of that
medicine in all the time. So footbaths, soaks, rubbing something on your elbow, using an alcohol tincture, you know, all of that will absorb into our system in different ways, in different way, So it's going to be different than smoking it. It's going to be different than eating an edible, it's going to be different than using an alcohol tincture orally. But it
will get in there and it can make a huge difference. And one of the benefits of the topical applications is they are not psychoactive, even if they're very high into each seed, so it's another benefit for some people. I want those listening to understand that Wendy has various formulas that you can make and you can actually create your own. And you suggest that people because there's so limited supply and it's hard to get topicals, you can actually make them fairly
easily, can't you. Oh, it's so easy and wonderful to make your own medicine. And I'm just going to go through a few good reasons why to do that, just really quick. I've been a medicine maker for decades and I've taught that is and making for decades, and I always teach it in the simple style with things that you can use, just that you have in your kitchen, So any anything you can get in a dispensary, you can make it home. And here here are some of my top ten reasons
for making your own medicine. Number one is you are in charge, right, You are in charge. You know what goes in the medicine. You know what you're going to use the medicine for. You're already in communication with the medicine. So the medicine, medicine and herbal medicine, it's kind of like it's kind of like your dog. So your little dog is really excited, and your little dog can do so many different things in the world,
and your little dog just wants to please you. And your little dog is happier if you tell it what to do, if you tell it to sit, or if you tell it to stay and it sits and it stays, then it's it's happier and it's direct and you're communicating with it, and it's doing what you want it to do, and it's happier doing it. And herbs are the same way. These medicines can do so many different things. But if you start from the beginning of growing it, which anybody can do
in a sunny window sill, you don't need a big cannabis garden. Grow your own medicine. As you're making it into medicine, you're telling it, oh, I need you to do this for me, and it's and it's and it's receiving that message and go oh. You know, if you're growing medicine, it will grow specifically chemicals that will benefit you uniquely. I mean,
because it's aware of you uniquely. If you if you pee on your plants, if you put your blood on your plants, if you do those things, if you simply sit in your patch and breathe with your plants, because they're taking in your carbon dioxide, you're taking in their oxygen and it's a it's an energetic cycle and they're learning all about you that way. Yeah. I actually use intention when I'm growing my plants. You know, I tend for you to be able to do this for me and so forth.
It's funny because it really makes the plant much more effective for you. Is you're you're absolutely right. It's amazing, Yes, And that's with all plants, not just cannabis. Keep in mind, so in addition to you know, being in charge and starting that communication, you're gonna save a ton of money. I mean, if you walk at a dispensary and you try to buy CBD medicine and you may be one of those people that need one thousand milligrams of teach of CBD a day for your issue. There's no way anybody
can afford to buy that from a dispensary. It's so crazy expensive. But again, if you make your own, it's very cheap. All you need is a basic oil, basic alcohol, you know, and water. So and it's very easy to make these medicines. I have the whole DIY you know, chapter in here that explains how you can make them. You're going to have a much better quality medicine. You're going to have, uh,
just a more powerful medicine for reasons we just talked. And you can make it taste better by adding your own flavorings, you know, getting it to taste the way you wanted to taste. It's very fun to make your own medicine, especially if you're a kitchen person. It's fun to do with kids. Kids love to make the lotions and potions. Oh my gosh, and my grandkids are my nieces and nephews come over. The first thing they want to do is can we make a potion? Can we make a potion?
So it's a really great activity for kids that they learn so much. And if you're a grower or a farmer, of course it's a value added thing to make a medicine out of it. To try to sell your weed is challenging these days, but to try to sell a sav you've added a tremendous amount of value and you'll get more money for it. And there's just a really, really long tradition of people making their own medicine. Women have made I mean, I'm generalizing, but women are generally the healers in the family
because they're caring for the children, and this is all very general. They've been the healers for time immemorial. It's just very traditional for them to work with plant medicines, be they putting plants in the stupot or making a little sav or making a little liniment. So all of the reasons, I really encourage people to make their own medicine, and with herbs, you can do
that wonderful and those of you should know that. In her book, she's got great suggestions for making all types of different plant topic topicals as well as some edibles. I want to get into edibles really quickly because it's kind of flood of the market. And one of the issues I mentioned before we started that my own son is working trying to develop his own edible gummies for people with various health issues. But what should people be looking for when they purchase
a gummy. Well, it depends on the person, of course. So we're always looking for medicine that was that was grown outdoor organically, because that's the only sustainable way to grow marijuana, and organic is the way to focus on rather than commercially grown. Yeah, you want to make sure whatever medicine you're using was produced from an organic plant, an organic outdoor plant. Because
I understand growing indoors. I understand we've been forced to do it all these years, but as we're not forced to do it anymore, it's really important to move away from indoor growing. It's way to resource intensive. Really, it's really full of chemicals, often full of chemicals. Often the plants aren't even grown in soil. They they're not getting natural sunlight. They're getting artificial air, artificial water, artificial earth, and artificial lighting or fire. And
it's not sustainable. It's so resource intensive. Even now we've moved into something called the light depth or where they they close off the green they're growing in greenhouses, and they shade the greenhouse is a certain amount of time because this can control when the plant flowers and when they can harvest. However, it takes so much plastic to do light depth growing, unbelievable amounts of plastic to cover the greenhouse, unbelievable amounts of the plastic in the tarps to pull,
you know, to shade them. So we really need to move back to outdoor organic grown plants. That's where the medicine and the true healing value is not just for us, but for the earth as well. So that's important. When you're buying a medicine that's already made, you want to understand what
kind of solvent has been used to make that medicine. So sometimes we call them solventless if so, people are trying to concentrate marijuana medicine, they're trying to concentrate all the medicine in it into a tiny little bit of medicine and then they put that tiny bit of concentrate into their gummies or into their oils or so, if they're concentrating a plant that had pesticides on it, they're concentrating the pesticides. If they concentrate plants that had molds or mildews on it,
they're concentrating the molds and mildews and cannabis. It's a bioaccumulator, meaning when it's growing in the earth, it is gathering up all the toxins in that area and pulling it into itself. So if you concentrate plants like that, you're concentrating whatever petrochemicals or whatever else was in the soil. So you won't want to be really careful with the source of the plant itself. And then you want to know what kind of solvent they used to concentrate it.
So maybe they just made water hash and that's fine. Water is a fine solvent. Maybe they use an alcohol solvent. You can use really high alcohol, like a ninety percent or one hundred and fifty proof or higher alcohol, and that will make a cannabis concentrate, and that's a very clean concentrate. But when they start to use the petrak chemicals like the butane and the propane, then number one, that's not sustainable, and number two, there's no
reason for it, and number three it's a dangerous process. People blow themselves up and number four, there's always going to be even a micro amount of that residue of that in the medicine. So you know, of course we test the medicines and we make sure there's no buttine left in it, but we can't test down to that micro level. And we know that there's some micro petrochemicals in the medicine, and so you want to make sure that the
medicine has used a cleaned solvent to concentrate it. So if and then of course grew organically, that would be one area. That's the farming. The processing is what you're saying to us is the issue, because if they're processing with toxic chemicals, that's going to be the issue in terms of getting that into your system. That's also going to come with the plant medicine itself.
So I guess how we do we reduce the ingestion of toxins? Is that looking for small family run production or what how do we I mean so much because today only so much is on the label. I know that's the real problem. We just don't We can't tell. So it's it's it's our culture that's always said that you need to know your source and whether you're buying vegetables or whether you're buying a cannabis medicine, You've got to know your source.
That's the only way you can trust what's going on. So you need to know who the farmer is, and you need to know who made the medicine and you need to trust them. Right, that's a good one. And then also make sure your bud tender at the dispensary knowses stuff or her stuff. Yeah, so give your bud tender this book because I wrote this book mostly for bud tenders because people walking and this is butd tenders are the interface
now between the public and marijuana medicine. They are the interface. They are not healers. They don't know anything about probably the endocannabinoid system, or they don't know anything about physical issues, physiology, medicine. They don't know anything about whole holistic healing. So that's why I wrote this book so that they can so that they can answer those questions, so that they can help people
understand what they need. I mean, every single bud test, someone walks in and goes, hey, I got this, what should I use? Yeah? You know, and how are they supposed to answer that or know that so that that's part of why I wrote this book. Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Just kind of throwout bud tender and you're saying, Cliff, I wrote this for the buttenders of like, yes,
such a perfect fit for them. It's almost like right, it has to be like a one on one self teaching program or I don't even know. Do butt tenders even go to school to know their stuff? No self taught? There is no school. Medical schools do not even teach about the endocannabinoid system, even though it has been the major most major neurophysiological discovery in
decades, and even though it was discovered in the early nineties. You never see the endocannabinoid system taught in a medical school or any other school whatsoever. I mean, I don't even teach nutrition in there. And so doctors are always dependent on pharmaceutical salesmen for their educations, right. The pharmaceutical salesman is the interface between doctors and the pharmaceuticals, so they learn everything from the salesman.
Butt tenders in the same position. Now they are the interface between people seeking edison and the medicine. Yeah, and it's a ridiculous difficult place to be. They're they're under educated and underpaid. Oh my god. Yeah, so that those are those are the face of the product. And if they're not well educated, you're going to get who knows what. Yeah, yeah, you're going to get them trying to make the most money. Right, Well, you should get your publisher to send these to the dispensary. I
would like to do. I've been going that's what I'm on for right now through the Pacific Northwest. I'm walking into dispensaries and I'm saying, please carry this book. Please carry at least a reference copy of this book. Please buy some for your bud tenders, because that's that's what's going on. But trying to reach every dispensary in the country is a bit of a challenge.
So I'm going to ask your audience to help out. You know, I'm going to ask your audience to buy buy two books, and take one down to their favorite dispensary and donate it to dispensary. That's a really good suggestion. Okay, So we talked about delivery system, talk about topicals. We talk about edibles. Obviously, if you smoke it, there's vaping, there's regular just using a bong or rolling a joint. Talk a little bit.
And this is something that you have in the book about creating infusion types of therapy where you mix plant buds with some other different flowers or whatever to create an infused kind of a environment. Talk about that. That is so cool. Well, marijuana can be infused in multiple different We call them menstrums in the herbal world. Chemically you might call them solvents, although they're slightly different. So you can and basically an infusion means you soak it in that thing
for a little while, a couple of weeks. So you can soak marijuana in water. You can soak marijuana in cool water or hot water, and you'll get a slightly different effect. You can soak marijuana in vinegar and you'll get a little slightly different effect. You can soak marijuana in alcohol, and you can be a low alcohol like your average bottle of Vodkak, or it
can be a very high proof alcohol like what they call ever clear. You know, will buy ethanol and you'll get slightly different, you know effects. But all of these you can do at home. You pack a jar full of your marijuana. It could be bud, it could be leaf, depending on how strong you want it to be. You maybe pour your maybe your favorite thing is vodka or tequila or whatever. You pour that over the the
marijuana. You put a lid on the jar, You sit it on the shelf for four to six weeks, and bam, you've made your first tink. Sure, you just strain the marijuana out of it, and you have an amazing marijuana medicine. Or maybe you soaked it in oil. You strain the marijuana out of it, and you have an amazing oil that you can either use internal or as a topical. Like I said this, this medicine wants to be inside us so badly that it doesn't really matter how you decide
to infuse what you decide to infuse it with. Wow. I want to finish with one area that I was very uh happy to see, which is you actually show how to make teas and I thought that was brilliant. Can you give us an example of a tea preparation and perhaps what it is generally good for or it could just be for medicinal whatever, happiness, wellness, a general kind of a tea for for for just basic function? Right? Yeah, No, tea's are one of my favorite, one of the most
ancient medicines out there, and they're so undervalued and it's ridiculous. So herbal teese are, yeah, one of the best ways to heal yourself. They're very, very subtle, and the more herbs you put in them, the broader a palette of medicinal effects you get from them. So I make marijuana teas for a lot of my clients and a lot of my students, and it depends on what they want. So I had a client that had very
very severe osteothritis in their hands. It got to the point where they couldn't really write anymore, which is what they like to do for a living. And they also so they So this guy's name was Peter. He really liked green tea. He drank green tea a lot, very medicinal, has very high on antioxidants as his cannabis. So we took marijuana leaves. We didn't
even take buds. We took the leaves, which have a lot of medicine in them and slightly different medicine than the buds, and we mixed them with his green tea leaves and he would make himself a little cup of green tea in the morning. And we I think in the end he had a little bit of milk. So if you add a little bit of fat to a water infusion of marijuana, it'll pull a little more medicine out. So he would have his green tea, his marijuana tea with milk in the morning,
and his hands would just literally uncurl. He was able to write. And then well, tea is more immediate than consuming something solid, but it's less immediate than say, using an alcohol tincture, which will absorb into the blood system right away. For him, it worked better because the effect lasted longer, so the tea would set in. You know, he would drink the cup of tea and maybe within ten minutes he would notice a huge difference.
And then when he would start to feel tight again around lunchtime or after lunch, he would have another cup of tea. Yeah, And so one to three cups of tea a day. And and that tea was not just tree eating his hands. That treat tea was treating the endocannabinoid system. It was killing stray cancer cells in his body. It was reducing inflammation throughout his whole
body and in his brain. I mean it does there's such such magical effects and such holistic effects that you may be taking cannabis for one thing, but the cannabis, once it gets in you, she decides where you need the healing, and she goes to the places, you know, the cells that send out receptors. She goes there, you know. And so in general, his whole health improved. And because the green leaves had a tiny bit of TC in them, he also got a slightly mellowing effect and he liked
the effect, and he liked the way it helped his writing. So it would change, you know, it would slightly change his perspective, and he felt that that helped with his writing. This is very common in artists and musicians. You don't need to take that one hit that's so strong that you're out. You can take a subtle or microdoses of THC and it can subtly alter your perceptions or pull out your creativity or filter out, you know,
all that minutia out there that so that you can focus. It's a great focuser, and so, you know, t is one of my favorite ways for people to to generally introduce cannabis into their into their world. Thank you for that, Wendy that was amazing. As we conclude. By the way, the name of this book we're talking about today is called Cannabis Therapy, A Complete Guide. My guess has been Wendy read. As we conclude, look at all those tags in there. I want you to give another example
of a client, a case study. And you mentioned Jerry who had who had asthma. Yeah, yeah, that sounds like a really good one because that's that I mean, they give people with asthma some really potent drug therapy. Yeah, and he had had asthma all his life. I'm actually just going to read a bit of this from the place a little bit here. So this is Jerry's story. Jerry was seventy six year old retired engineer and he was a really aviage cyclist. He was on his road bike all the
time. When he came to me, he actually was just looking for help with insomnia and he was averaging about four hours a night of sleep. He was waking up in the early morning and he was unable to get back to sleep. He tried all those over the counter sleep medications and the pharmaceuticals which are very harmful in the end, and he just didn't want to use them. A secondary issue that he had was a restless leg syndrome, which which is a thing. I have many, many many clients with it, and
it really is a thing. And then another issue that he had was other issues was his asthma, his lifelong asthma, and he also had high blood pressure. There were other issues as well, but those are just the physical issues. So we discussed all of his options and he started off trying some sleep drops, which is a formula I made with multiple herbs, including raw cannabis. Raw cannabis has THHC acid in it. THHC acid is non psychoactive,
but it's very anti inflammatory and very calming. So I mixed the thhca or TC acid with a CBD rich cannabis for this sleep medicine. For the reason I spoke of before is TC itself can elevate the heart rate, not good for sleep. So he tried this and he started sleeping longer and it helped considerably. Didn't solve the whole problem, it helped considerably, uh, you know. And when he came back to me, that's when we started
talking about the asthma. And he had been developing like an increased dependence on his albuterol inhaler. Albuterol is an emergency inhaler that asthmatics used when they are having an asthma attack, and you're not supposed to use it that much, but of course you end up using it a lot as your asthma gets worse. So then he went his doctor gave him a cortico steroid inhaler which is an inhaler, a steroid that is extremely anti inflammatory. It's not as harmful
as using the abuterol too much. So people use the cordico steroids on a regular basis to keep the inflammation in their lungs down and it helps their asthma. So he was using that at that point in time. He was using forty four hundred micrograms twice a day and it worked, but he didn't want to, you know, keep keep on. Yeah, So so we let's
see what did we do. We went through a trying different things, and so he tried an alcohol tincture, uh first, and alcohol tincture when you take it on the tongue, absorbs almost immediately into your blood system, so you get in a more immediate effect than an edible, but the effect wears off more quickly. So I had mixed again the THHC acid and CBD rich cannabis with some other good lung herbs, and he started with that, and
then he then, what did we do it for that? After the first week on this regimen, and this is his words, my airflow increased from two hundred and eighty liters per minute to an average of three hundred and thirty five. He was getting a lot more oxygen into his lungs. The most obvious indication that things were different was that while write in colder temperatures, I no longer had the tightening in my bronchial tubes that had been caused by the
cold air rushing into his lungs. That was amazing. He said that alone was worth all of it. He continued with the same dosages for about three weeks. His airflow continued to increase up to three hundred and ninety, which for an asthmatic is pretty amazing. He began decreasing his steroids. He decreased them first twenty five percent. We decreased them really slowly, you know, And he and he started vaporizing. So a lot of people think with lung
issues, smoking or vaporizing is a no go. But that's not the case because when you smoke or vaporize for asthma or for lung issues, you're getting the medicine directly to where it needs to go. So for some people, in some cases, smoking or vaporizing helps their lungs tremendously. And that's something that people need to know. I mean, if you try it and it doesn't work for you, don't do it. But uh, it works for
a lot of people. So he kept cutting his medicine down and he would occasionally increase his vapori, his vaporizing of the CBD, and one day he ran out of the CBD that he was using and he replaced it with something that had something else, and he had a bad effect. So he was getting less error and less oxygen into his lungs. So by the let's say, by the ninth week, he was using ten milligrams a day of CBD rich THHCA rich cannabis medicine. That's not very much ten milligrams. Uh.
He continued to phase out. By the tenth week, he had discontinued his cordico steroids entirely and he was not needing to use his albuterol at all, and then he went on to reduce his cannabinoid dosage too, So he then took that dosage down, you know, in a comfortable way, until he I think at this point in time I recently saw him, he's almost off of it all together. Is the is the formula actually healing the lung tissue or is it just the effect of allowing it to stretch to the point where
you can take in more oxygen. Uh, it's reducing the inflammation of the lungs. Cannabis is very anti inflammatory. It's also an expectorant. So sometimes in asthma, you have congestion built up in the lungs and the cannabis helps break up the congestion so that it can be coughed out. Uh. And it also is a cannabis is one is the high is antioxidant herb or medicine
that you can get a hold of. And antioxidant medicines prevent oxidative damage, which is a whole nother story that we could go into another time, but that effect was definitely part of what was going on. Is protecting him from that, and it also cleans up the effects of oxidative damage. So it was cleaning his lungs, it was reducing inflammation, it was helping him break
up any congestion. Fantastic, and then he other unexpected but positive results, because this is an example of holistic therapy, other unexpected and positive results. My blood pressure is now down to a great average, My glucose levels are now down to a great average, My restless legs are no longer restless, and all the side effects from the cordico steroids are gone. So basically,
this minimal cannabis therapy allow him to come back into balance. And uh, what a fantastic story because uh, you know, I've always heard that when you have asthma, your lungs are damaged to a certain degree, not able to take in oxygen. And it's like this plant medicine actually rejuvenated the lung which is it's true. It's not that they can't take in oxygen, it's that they can't release enough carbon dioxide. Oh is that what it is?
Yeah, that's part of the issue of cannabis. So I mean with asthma, and so this this able to bring his both the nervous system that controls the breathing because it's our autonomic nervous system that controls the breathing, brought that back into balance, you know, and brought his lungs back into balance. Yeah, it's almost like there should be a therapy, a wellness therapy to use or incorporate cannabis on a reg their bases for health, wellness, health
maintenance. Yeah, everybody should be eating cannabis like they eat spinach. It should just be in all the grocery stores as a healthy green that you put into your smoothies or your salad. The flower or the leaves or all of it. The leaves are all you need for nutrition aspects and for keeping things
in balance. You don't need macrodoses for just staying healthy. And there's also a list of ways in the book of Keeping your Endocannabinoid System Healthy right, interesting, and it looks like eat the right foods, get enough sleep, get exercise, right, all those things that we tell people for us to be healthy, Well, that's what's keeping your endocannabinoid system healthy. Fantastic. The books called Cannabis Therapy a complete Guide. My guest today has been Wendy.
Read Wendy, We're going to have to have you back because there's just too much to cover in one hour. How can people learn more about you? What's your website? My website is caliheel dot org c A L I h e A l dot org. Okay, And people want to see you as a client. How do they get in touch with you through my website? Okay? So are you taking new clients? I am not at the moment, but I will be in a month or two. Probably my last Right now, you're pretty booked. So my last question is and I didn't
see it in the back, but maybe it's in there. Is there a resource for people like you in different parts of the country? What do you mean a resource? In other words, they can't see you because you're too busy. But is there other consultants that you reference in your book? I don't. I don't know of any except for the ones that have graduated from my school. Okay, right, like uh uh, they've become like doctor Pepper, and so they have become cannabis therapy consultants. Right. Doctor Pepper
happened to be a healer, so she's also a cannabis therapist. Right. If they're not a healer, they become a cannabis therapy consultant, which means they can help you. They can provide all the options, right, they can tell They can't help tell you how to heal your digestion, but they can tell you all the options of how to use marijuana, how to bring it into your life, and that kind of thing. Excellent. So, however, there are very few of us out there unfortunately. Yes, this
is very fine. Finally, I'd like to hear your perspective. Somebody who lives in a a state or a country who has been barred from using cannabis, Well, how do you suggest they use it? You mean, if they can't get it, what what do you suggest? Well, they can at this point in time, you can buy marijuana seeds off the internet anywhere in the world. Yes, I would definitely if you if your country says no marijuana or you have no access to it, you can get some of
these seeds. You can grow it in a sunny windowsill. Yeah, that's what I would recommend. Fantastic Wendy, A real pleasure and much success in this new book. It just came out. For those of you who listening. You can get on Amazon and it is a well of information on using cannabis. Thank you, thank you for giving me the opportunity to reach out to a bigger audience. I get a copy of these books, most of the books that are producer Gail Torque requests for interviews. And this is a
big book, This Cannabis therapy book is over well. It's almost three hundred pages, including references in data referrals. But I got to say, I've never thought about making topicals. And Pepper her Nance used to always tell me it's really easy. In fact, she sent me some ointment. It was really really good. She had made it. She made a whole bunch of it in her kitchen. But I found, you know, I just don't have time. I've found a number of topicals that are perfect, that have
high levels of TAC. They're great for rashes, they're great for skin conditions, they're great for muscular problems. They're great for just general aches and pains because it pierces the skin, it gets right into the problem areas. And I swear by them. I swear by topicals to the point where I bring a topical with me whenever I'm leaving the country because it's kind of like it's
like your first aid. It's literally universally available for all kinds of issues, and you know, if you're working out, or you're hiking, or you're in the sun too long and you overstretch, or you have a hit pointer or something. These topicals are amazing. They're amazing, So I hope you enjoyed that. I'm definitely gonna have Wendy back and you've got to get this
book. Cannabis Therapy just came out and the references are pretty good. It's got people like Chris Bennett, who we've had on the program before, and a number of physicians who use cannabis in their practice, you know. And most physicians that work for HMOs or big hospital they are not allowed to promote vitamins and herbs and definitely not cannabis. They just can't go any place near it. So you got to do your own thing or find an herbalist or
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