Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you? Come on? Name and have a seat. Today is past President Future And I say that because you know we go to these tours, these are Earth Ancients tours. We're going to be in Egypt in a few weeks on our fifth annual Grand Egyptian Tour, and on a number of the sites we visit, most notably Sikara, there are buildings that have been specially designed for healing. In fact, at Sakara, there is a portion of
a building that's still standing. They call it the hospital. And they call it the hospital because there's a series of examining rooms and that's when you first walk into the main portion of the hospital, and then along the sides are what can only be described as acoustic chambers. And when you go to these
rooms, there's only a portion of them that are still standing. And if you happen to walk into one of these rooms and stick your head into what's left of them is not only is it it reflects your voice sound, but also there's a strain, thumping noise that is emitting from deep underground. And you know, to my frustration, no one has done any ground penetrating radar in that area to discover if it's a mechanism of some kind or it's a
water delivery system that's making the stumping noise. But what we do know from the eons of people who have lived there is that that was a healing hospital, some form of an acoustic sound capturing system. We don't know exactly what
kind of healing was taking place. You know, there's a lot of discussion about you know, everything from cancers to other degenerative disease, and as the centuries passed, this knowledge was lost and all we have is the remaining buildings where these treatments and that's what we'll call these sound healing acoustic healing rooms are
that we'll call them treatment rooms. Well, when we hear that, you have to wonder what was the background, what was the thought behind that, Who were the people who were doing the healing work, where the physicians were the priests. Was the healing method something that we can relate to, or is it so advanced that people were left in the room and then acoustics were
passed through the bodies of people. We just don't know. We see the same thing in Mexico at some of these big temples that are acoustically tuned. People have done acoustic testing and they amplify sound in certain ways. We see this also in Europe. We see it at Stonehenge in England, we see
we see it in Scotland. We see it everywhere, including China, where a great deal of effort and research and research and development was placed on healing through sound or acoustic waves, and we're kind of understanding it a little bit today. Acoustic wave therapy is used for people with ed and other parts of the body that have calcium deposits in arteries or in vessels, and that's treated. I'm not sure what else they use that, But my guest today is
old school. She's part Native America, and she has written a fascinating book that is one of the better books that I've read in many years. Sound healing is not unknown, but it's not something that you'll get at your local allopathic doctor, your local MD medical doctor. They don't have a clue. They have no clue on subtle energy work, they have no clue on nutrition and vitamin therapy. They can suggest occasional treatments, but for the most part,
it's not recommended by their administrators. You're not going to go to a doctor and get a therapy on healing through sound. It's not something that you should even consider. You need to go to an alternative therapist for that kind of work. But my guest today has written her personal history. Her name is Vicky Dodd. For fifty years she has been treating people through sound acoustic
therapy. Now that's the sound of a reminder that And you know it's funny because we've had I think three or four books like that like this this year, where they are so well written and so important that they are must have, must buy one for your library books, and this is one of them. It just came out, and I mentioned that it just came out a few weeks ago, Healing through Sound, Awakening your Audible Body, And you can get it on Amazon, you can get it wherever you get your favorite
books. It's very well written, easy to understand, and as you'll hear in this interview today, very important for what I would call basic body tuning. And it gets into some of the most basic healing sound technology that you can imagine everything from humming to chanting on yourself, on your self. So you're gonna get the full spectrum of healing today and thankfully Vicky is also demonstrating some of these techniques that you can use at home. So today's program is
Healing through Sound, and my guest is Vicky Dodd. We travel to Egypt every year and it is an amazing tour that we do. We're gonna be doing our fifth annual and one of the things that I learned through our interpreter, Mohammad Imbrahem, is that the ancient Egyptians used sound frequencies for some form of healing. We discovered this in Sakara, at what they call the hospital. There were these chambers that they would send acoustic sound waves through to heal
people. And this is an art that we have lost. This is something that is slowly being realized in the last few decades, and today we're going to speak with someone who is using sound healing in a beautiful way. My guest today is Vicky Dodd. She has written what I have to say is a profoundly well researched and well written book called Healing through Sound Awakening your Audible
Body. And what makes this book not only important for each of our libraries, but revolutionary, is that she shows us how to work audibly in healing ourselves, healing those around us, but coming into balance. I think most of us are out of balance, and this is a great book for rebalancing it as well as enjoying our physical bodies. So, hey, Vicky, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program. Thank you, Thank you, Cliff. I'm so grateful to be here to be meeting you.
The book opens with you as a young child, surrounded by the neighbors and your mother, and your grandmother was a big influence in your life. But you describe yourself as kind of a country woman. You don't phrase it as a as a as a Native American. It seems like there's a native Native America influence. Are you part Native American? Yeah, part Shawnee.
Uh. We were called Irish Indian, so we were nearly everyone I knew was part Shawnee and from the you know, the Ohio Valley, coming through the Ohio River and to the Mississippi, and so yeah, you know, my grandma was nearly full blooded Shawnee. Oh there you go, my mother's mother. But it wasn't you have to well maybe you might remember, but it wasn't a good idea at the time to talk about being a Native American,
right, it was not a good idea at all. You know, it was mainly dirty jokes, and yeah, it was so no one bragged about it, and it was kept kind of secret. Talk about your grandmother. She was the healer, and you actually describe her one day a healing a wart on the inside of her mouth. That was Grandpa Baggot on the Hill. And that was her full Grandma Baggot on the Hill. And she was not she was not my personal grandmother, but she was everybody's Grandma Baggot
on the Hill. Oh, I got you, yeah, yeah, and uh yeah. She she was always known to be able to She was a good remover of obstructions. And what she did was help. She would remove warts, she would remove afflictions, you know, and said to ask her. And and anyway, we were trying to become more fluent, I guess,
you know. We had a doctor come to town, and so all of a sudden we could go to a doctor, you know, instead of Grandma Reister and her Grandma bagged There was a lot of Grandma's and so we'd gone to see doctor John and he had looked at this word that I had inside my mouth, and he said, well, you know, we're going to have to take you to Evansville, which was about an hour and a
half two hours away, to have it surgically removed. Oh. We hadn't even been doctoring, and now they're talking about taking us to the hospital. So this is absolutely beyond our comprehension or comfort. And we get to the it's a small little town I'm from, and get to the corner and there's Grandma bag It on the hill and my mother's telling her about this, and she says, honey, let me see that. And I just pulled my
lip down. I'm about four or five years old, and she goes and she just patted me on the shoulder, which you know, neuraled linguistic programming, which we didn't know a thing about it at that time, is honey, you won't have that tomorrow. And tomorrow came and I didn't have it, and we just met, well that's thanks, grandma, you know. And it was just very casual, the way part of life, part of life, which is which is when you're plugged into the earth. Yes,
that's the way it is, right. Yes, it was not magic. It was not unusual. It was not you know, we didn't let make anything of it. She did not become a saint. She was just grandma bagged on the hill, and that's what she did. She helped remove up you know warts. I love those stories of natural healing. And of course you can't define it. You don't want to try to analyze it because it doesn't fall within any kind of language. There's no language we have that describes
it. Tell us about your realization that you were very sensitive as a young person, you know, I mean you you say when you became I think it was sixteen or seventeen, that you just want to die. Oh you just were so you had either no direction or there was a turning point in your life, and you talk about this. I'm very interested in this.
Well, you know, by that time, by the time I was sixteen or seventeen, now my family had moved to a very large city, Chicago, and so now there are millions of people to be able to try to filter through me. I didn't have any boundaries. I did not know a thing about having boundaries. I did not know how to stay out of your business. I didn't know what was my business. I didn't know what someone
else's was. I didn't know a thing, and so I was just bombarded with you know, by the time I would get from one my house or apartment to the subway or the bus, you know, I'd already you know you're going through. You've lived in big cities, and many of us have. There's a lot of life, and there's a lot of people that are homeless. There's a lot of people that have all kinds of mental problems, you know, you know, because we've turned them out on the streets without
having any support. Well that's another story, but problems, and I did not know how to not take it on, and so that became That became my life work is learning about how one to know my own sounds, my own rhythms, which is I think that's where we begin. Let me know what is mine, and then I can stay out of yours. If I don't know what is mine, then I have no way of staying out of
yours. Will you say to find that a little more for us? Would you say that you were like a sponge to other people's energy, and you just naturally wanted, not knowingly, were absorbing and picking up on their frequencies, right I didn't know how not to. And I think that's true for
a lot of people that are lairvuoyant or are able to perceive frequencies. I think that that is something that we all start with and then we have to learn how to have any kind of discernment and uh and basically to make it not sound rude, but I had to learn what wasn't any of my business? And that's that's it's not you know, So thank goodness, I made it, made this work my profession at a very young age, and so that I got to be of service if you wanted me to be of service.
And I started having wonderful mentors that taught me that you waited till you were asked. You did not you did not just go, oh, let me help you, you know. And and it's like, no, this is this is a personal privacy, you know, it's none of my bi I had to start learning what was my business and what was not my business? What was I to attend to and what was I not to attend into.
It's not a heartless thing, but it's we do not want to take other people's dignity from them, you know, if they're asking for help if there's a need for it, but not to just bombard how you know, you can tell when someone's new to this energetic work because all of a sudden they're working with everyone and everything, and it's like, wait a minute, we need to ask permission. There needs to be some kind of protocol. Yeah, how do we walk the earth and not pick up on others or
stay in our own presence? Yeah? I think that. I think that first we need to learn what ours is. If I know what mine is, what my frequency is, what space I occupy. It's a lot of self work. It's an inside job. And you know, I'm laughing because you said the magical word. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of self work, a lot of self It isn't like, oh it took a weekend. You know, it's a lot of work, over and over
and over. You know. Learning how, learning what you know, learning how to stay out of your business was my biggest teaching because if you are sensitive, if you are psychic, if you are able to perceive others, if you've come from a lot of dysfunction, which is where a lot of us got our training, because that was how we started learning how to protect ourselves, what so and so was doing, what was behind us? You know, you don't live in a big city without knowing. I need to
be able to have my feelers out around me, you know. So these are actually good things, but they actually become obsessive too. Yeah, and so first I need to know what is mine and I need to have some form of practice that I work with, you know. And that's for me. It's been my life. So it takes years and years and years, and it's not like, well, I got it now, you know,
I'm fixed. Well it's funny because in your book you and actually in your press release, you've been doing this for fifty years from a very very young age. When did you uncover the healing practice of sound as it applies to healing. Is there like an aha moment or did it just gradually attach itself to you because you opened to it. That's a good question. I really, I really don't know for sureclip I I know I was always able to
perceive frequency. I was always able to perceive rhythms from people's bodies or from the land, or I was always able to see or fields, which is also what made me sick, you know, because I didn't have any boundaries. This is what I was kind of referring to a few minutes ago, is I didn't know what was mine, and so it once I started being taught through all, you know, I was fortunate. I was coming to waking up right at the beginning of the mind body explosion here in the United
States, and what a fortunate time. It was so exciting that we were starting to actually acknowledge that there was a connection between our mind and our bodies and other people on nature. And so it's a it's a life work. I think I lost your question, though, When did you first uncover that healing could be achieved through sound? Well, I I my first For about ten years, I did sound mentally with people's bodies. When I was working
with them, I was about, what does that mean? I would image the sound as I was working with them, because I was really I didn't have a voice. I had lost my voice years and years ago, and it was so frozen from not expressing what I knewesting you know, it was just absolutely frozen. You were embarrassed or just shy. Well, it kind of sounded like I was crazy, oh, because you would do toning and
you didn't want to do it because oh I hear you. Yeah, I mean you know, so I I and just given my environment, given a woman, given the times, given that I didn't have any teachers, given that I didn't know anyone else doing this, I just shut it down, you know, my whole expressive center, this throat center, I just closed it up. And and so I couldn't make any sound. I mean I talked like that. Hope you cut that. No, you couldn't hear me.
Oh, but I could visualize this sound that I was mentally sounding before it could go through the nervous system where it could go through the different channels talk to different chakras. So it was helping me develop a very strong mental body of visualization and trying to think. When I finally got brave enough, probably maybe the late sixties or early seventies, I got brave enough to start. You know, would you mind if I made a sound on your body?
You know, and you know, would that be okay? And this? No, this was the very This was like nineteen eighty. I was living in Chicago and renting an apartment and there was I think there were Polish refugees because Chicago was loaded with refugees. It was a very exciting place to be. And and and this my landlady had been in a concentration camp, which I had not known. And so she started letting me give her bodywork and in exchange for some of my rent. And so I'm working with her,
and I've said, do you mind if I make some sounds? And by this time she just says, you know, I don't care what you you know, very very Eastern European, I don't care what you do. Just don't stop doing what you're doing, you know, and doing what you're doing. And so I kept doing what I was doing, and I started making these sounds, and all of a sudden she just started really really sobbing, crying hard, not just little tears, which is not unusual when you
when you touch people. But and then she starts telling me this story which still to this day Cliff just touches me so deeply, of being taken to this I don't know. She didn't know either, some kind of room that was filled with water up to her knees, that's what she remembered. And it was dark, and it was crowded, and and I could only imagine when she was saying that the kind of electricity just running through that water.
The terror because you don't know what's going to happen to you. You don't know who you're with, you don't know what's in the water, you don't know anything. And she said, there was this she and so that's what when I was working in her and started sounding, she said, you're singing her song. I'll always remember this. That just brings You're singing her song. And then she starts telling me that story. How there is this woman that she never did meet, and she was sounding, but I was sounding
mm. She says, you know, we didn't you know, we didn't say and she had lost some toes, you know, she had lost some some of her body parts being in that water for so long, but she says, but we did not lose our sanity. Was that a death camp that she was? So that was like one of the death camps in Germany exactly. And so this was so again, this was a teacher. People's bodies have been teachers for me. It's like, oh, all those memories right there, let me just listen, let me just listen to what the
body wants to express. Now, I didn't know that she had been in a death camp. I didn't know her story, but her body memory was so needing to have another layer that moved, released, heeled, mended. No, And yeah, that was a great learning tool. Oh my goodness, gracious. Yeah, people's bodies have been my teacher. You mentioned in a number of times throughout your book that the body is seventy plus percent fluid, and talk a little bit about how sound heals and how the fluid is
kind of like a resonator. Well, you know, I don't know how sound heals. I just know that it does. I just know that it does. Mainly. It sound heals in so many possibilities. It creates movement through this liquid. And we are seventy percent liquid. In the sixties and seventies and eighties, it kept changing. We were seventy or eighty percent fluid. It was according to what the decade was. And I don't know. We may be losing our fluidity with being like you and I are right now
on computers and we're always on electronics. So we actually need to be doing sound even more for our health to keep a resonance going in our body. That is that equals health, keeping movement going through this fluid because it's so easy for because the sound doesn't mean to it's not a bad thing, but it congeals us. You know, I'm not sound, but our electronic world it starts creating a certain congealedness, you know, and to our liquid, and you know, I don't know what was her name? Yeah, yeah,
I can't find it. I'll come back to it. But about stay in liquid. We are seventy percent liquids. We used to be eighty percent ken sau We want to stay liquid. Cliff sound helps us stay liquid faster, more readily that we can depend on the nearly anything. So it's using our voice is never contraindicated to anything else we're doing any other vitamins and medications
or disciplines. So it's a complimentary thing. It'll helps stay liquid. It gets my circulation moving, it gets air moving, it gets my oxygen, it wakes up the cellular system. So has nothing to do with being able to be a singer. I don't know a thing about singing, but I know a lot about sounding. So I can wake up, wake up, what's tired. I can image the sound. I spend a lot of time just imaging sound because I would be in places where I couldn't make an audible
sound, or I would take a cushion and I would sell. I would sound through the cushion, you know, so because you know, I lived in apartments a lot of my life where you know, my window here is their window there? And and but I still needed to be moving, you know. I needed to move my anger. I needed to move my frustration. I needed to move my joy. I needed to express it, move it through my body without feeling that someone was listening to me. Is the
Is the mental focused mindset sound as effective as actually audible sound? Oh? I think so? So what do you We'll go through some exercises in a minute, but you're thinking the sound and then you're sending it to someone for healing those No, well, I would only do that if they ask me to. Oh okay, I mean seriously, I'm very very serious about that. Okay, you know it's none of my business. That's what I had
to learn. Yeah, so they had to ask for a healing or ask for you If they're asking me to do that, I would be gladly do that. Yeah, but mentally sounding in which I did for years and years and years, because really, when I was beginning this, I knew no one doing sound as a body work. There might have been people more in the twenties or thirties, but World War Two kind of closed us down to
so much of the wisdom that we knew prior to World War Two. And so then in late by the late fifties or mid sixties, we were being waking up. We were waking up again to what we had forgotten. That generations or so before World War two had a beautiful, powerful amnesia effect on our wisdom. And I have that fascinates me of how how strongly it brought
amnesia. Why would that be beautiful though? To forget? Well, I don't mean beautiful to forget, but beautiful in the sense of like seeing the power, seeing the power of fear, seeing the power of track trauma, of what it can do, how it can create this amnesia like I don't remember how to be well, I don't remember, you know, And so sound helps us remember again what we forgot. That's one of its beautiful, beautiful medicines. I want to ask you you you said something interesting and something
that I'm very concerned about. You say that the frequencies like WI FI are microwave ovens. The frequencies that come out of monitors are are are thickening the fluid? I think you use another term. Yeah, how I mean, do you see this as a huge issue that we need to address. I see that. I see it. Remember when, uh, with the first
home computers. Maybe you don't, you might be too young. But the first home computers, they said you should not have a home computer, not unless that you're by an open wind, you by a window with lots of light. And within about two seconds we were all in little cubicles with flora florescent lighting everywhere. And we have forgotten that. And then then there was a thing called the ought Ott lamps that you should never have a computer without
an ought lamp, you know, And and then we forget it. We're quick forgetters. So uh so we we initially know the importance of balancing the contraindicated frequencies that might be coming in. How do we balance that or how do we Yeah, and then we forget So we're you know, I just used to have a teacher that would say, we're quick forgetters, and we and so it's not about putting ourselves down. But I need to remember I'm a quick forgetter, so I have to remember over and over again, remember
how to take care of myself. Oh, I've been on computer for a few hours and I need to get out in the light somehow. Yeah, well, so, I you know, I'm not going to I don't want to get rid of any of these things that I've learned to enjoy and help my life. But I also need to always respect that I need to balance it with something else. No, intitively that they are sending energies that may not be great for the body, so especially for the fluid system that can
get very congested and congealed. Yes, talk about why we should see the world as energy, and you're giving us a hint of it right now. But when you write about this, you know, if we look at energy as all around us, then there's something to be considered there. I'm not quite sure if I remember what I said or why. Well, I'll continue on with another This is a really important quote that I'm going to read that you put in the book. All that has ever happened to us is recorded
in our bodies as frequencies. Yeah, talk about that. Well, life doesn't miss us, you know, No, I have been. You know, anything anyone, anything that has happened to me, got recorded somehow in this body. Now, how does that are you saying it's recorded as a memory, that is, it could be bored in the physical fluid. It could be it could be all many many things. Oh, I know, give us some definitions, Vicky, Like when you're saying that, somebody who's
like, how do I how do I visualize that? How do you visualize it? Well, you started, you started what you were mentioning in all those ways. Sometimes it's absolutely literal. You know that my shaping was was affected, my posture was affected, my attitude was affected. You know. Well, my life experience was was shaped by it. How I perceive life was shaped by my life experiences, you know. And and then there's ways
that I can change that. But I can get different kinds of body works, I can get kind of different kinds of therapies I can you know, Yeah, I can get some self help. I can start changing my attitude, you know, I don't have to be which a lot of us didn't know for a long long time. This is why the mind body explosion was so important. That there was a connection and that we could actually possibly ah, change our future, you know, by under by healing our past.
And and so that was that was quite revolutionary. Instead of like, well this is just how it is, you know, and I just resigned to it, uh, which was a lot of my family's history. It was like, I'm just that's how it is, you know, and and and a lot of it is true. You know, there's certain things that I have. You know, if I only have one leg, then I have to get get that. I have to get that. So now what do I have to do? You know? So I have to accept what my
life has brought me. Yeah. Uh. As a healer, when someone comes to you, Vicky and says, I'm just out of balance, I don't feel good, I don't ache and it can you look at them and say, well, this is what I'm feeling. Is your issue or do you need to do like a toning session to have an issue a physical, mental, spiritual issue? Come forth as and define themselves. Oh it looks it can clif, it can look a zillion different ways. You know.
Sometimes it's obvious just their posture. It's you know, they're all bent over. They can't really you know, no wonder they're depressed, They can't even get a breath, you know, and or they're ungrounded, they don't have any they're not rooted into the earth. So some of it is just really basic. So we start there, like, how how can I best start educating support for this body, teaching this body how to have support, you know, and for so many, so many of us are not taught how
to have support from the body. We're you know, we're not taught about the pelvis, We're not taught about the feet, you know. I became a body worker, you're you know, in the late sixties, I think, a long time ago. Uh, but not because of any good idea. I just needed it. I needed it, you know, because of
these sensitivities that we were speaking about earlier. It had really hurt my body, hurt me a bit physically, hurt me emotionally, psychologically, you know, wound up my nervous system, wound up my little intestines, wound up my you know, my whole being, you know, because I didn't have I didn't have a clue of how to take care of myself. Yeah,
you know. Yeah, So so when I my first sound schools were about people getting bodywork, about learning how to feed their bodies about I mean, I was really so simplistic, but it wasn't about your sound, because your sound's only going to represent everything your being. So let's get your being working for you. You know, let me start learning how to unconditionally love this body. And I don't mean like you should be eating this way or that,
but you need to learn how to feed oneself healthily. And a lot of us were never taught that, you know, we weren't taught what the body needs, and not in the sense of another diet, not about diets, but about like what is nutritional nutritional for my body. So, I mean, I'm a very basic person, and I was very fortunate that I was born where I was born, and that I was raised with people who still had a connection to nature and still had a connection to what you eat
actually influences how you think, you know and how you feel. I don't know if that's not what you were asking me though, but no, it is good because you brought up some good points. You as a child were brought up with people who were very connected to the earth. Yeah, and yeah, and you even describe we talked about it earlier. How when the
medical the doctors came in. It was like you were giving up something to go to this doctor because it wasn't necessarily natural, and people got sicker and sicker with the doctor's treatment where and this is what's happening today and with allopathic medicine. They don't know any better other than to give you a drug, cut you open, or if you have a cancer, irradiate you, which seems so out of touch with Gaya. You know, this is why I
have a huge problem with today's medicine. We're going to take a short break and allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with my guest today, Vicki Dodd discussing her newest book, Healing through Sound. We'll be right back. My guest today is Vicki Dodd, who is a longtime healer over fifty years of sound healing technique, who has written a new book called
Healing through Sound, Awakening your Audible Body. And we are getting a sense of how this healing work is implemented and how we can help ourselves through this healing method. You write about formulas, and one of the things I was curious about, how does the body reveal the formula for healing and you as a healer. In your book, you talk about the ability to see somebody and then maybe tone early, and then something comes up that you define as
the problem area. Talk about that. Well, you know, I'm not quite sure which part you're you're speaking of, because maybe some parts of that book. You know, I'm coming from decades, decades of working with bodies. So it's it's not it's not like, well then do da da then so, because it really is, it's decades upon decades of listening and listening and and and and basically, first with myself. That's where I began. Yeah, I really when I first professionally got started studying to be able to
get licensed so I could be legal, so I could touch you. It was all about this is way before the schools got all set up. It was about learning how to work with ourselves. Let me learn how to, you know, instead of instead of it being about how can I fix them?
How can I fix somebody else? It wasn't about that. It was I need to if I know myself, well, if I keep working with myself, if I keep doing you know, then you become pretty simple, you know, because you and I are not going to be that much different because I need to know about me. I need to know about this body, what happens. And I don't mean that we're the same in that way everybody else, but at the same time, were very we're more alike than
we're not. We're so much more alike than we're not. And but it has to begin with me really learning how to unconditionally love this body. And that's pretty that's deep work, that's a life work, as far as I know, for myself anyway, you know. And I don't mean egotistically, I mean just can I truly just be grateful for whatever that, for this being that I am? And you know, you know, my prayer is constantly for years and years, is like, teach me, teach me,
teach me how to love you. I don't know how, you know, you know, teach me how to unconditionally love this being that I am, that I that I'm walking on this earth being and I'm calling myself, you know, instead of and then you're not this, and then you're this, You're too fat, you're too skinny, you're too ug, you're oh, you're if the only you know, you know, you know, teach me,
I don't know how I don't know how to love. So I just need to get really really honest with myself, not putting it down, but knowing that I wanted wanting to engage the inherent wisdom in me. So when I'm working with someone else, all that I'm really They can tell me all kinds of things, but really and we're often not very kind to ourselves about ourselves. So I'm really wanting to engage that inherent wisdom in that person.
Let's talk to this person, you know, that's picture the inherent wisdom that you are. You know, yeah, instead of the personality and this is what's happened, and then you know, nothing wrong with that. But it's not going to be the it's not going to be the place of the insertion of the illness. Yeah. I was watching one of your videos on YouTube and it looks like and you're giving a gentleman a. It looks like a little bit of body work and a lot of toning. How important is bodywork?
Oh? I think body works very important. I think we need to be touched. I think we absolutely need to be touched and need to be touched appropriately. I think we need to be I need to have someone that wants to listen to what my body needs to have, needs to have expressed. I think I wish all of us could afford body work, you know. You know, we've really become almost for a lot of people were uh, we've priced ourselves out of healing. You know. I'm fortunate that I
began so long ago that I can often trade with people. If I couldn't trade with people, I don't know what I would do, you know. And I understand that it's good work and we need to make a living. But it's this I don't know. It's hard to find the right size, isn't it? Yeah? It is, because you're right, somebody work can be several hundred dollars, oh easly and for an hour and a half. And U I mean, I have a person here that's one hundred and twenty.
But I get it once a mother's So it's so much is released, so much is released. I'm so grateful to you that you're doing that. I do too. I get I. Yeah, I'm going to get a session on Friday, and I need it. Yeah, And it's not because it's not trying to fix me, but you know, you know, help me keep moving moving. What it doesn't no longer needs to be there,
right, Help me remember who I am? Help me remember? Oh yeah, honey, And like right now, you know, I've got this book coming out and I've been interviewed like I am right now, yaka yak. And it's stressful. Yeah, I hope it's not too stressful. But I understand because you have to you have to bring the book up again, you know. And what you just said was wonderful. You said, I have decades of work that are in that book, and I can't remember every everything
that happened. I mean, I love that, but it's in the book. It's decades and decades and decades, you know, and wonderful teachings for me. Yeah, and the body and then the body became my major teacher. I love that. I had to had to read more about that. Let's let's talk about some of the applications. And you have a whole chapter on humming. Uh, and I want to first hear about it, and then I would like to do an example of that for our listeners. Okay, do you mind if I have some water? Oh? Of course.
Yeah. Humming. We all love humming. It's a part of just about every sound. You make ah, there's a hum in it, you know. Yeah. And and I the vernacular where I grew up, he was always hmm. You know, there was always a home. I don't know about that hm you know, I mean just part of the languaging. And so there was always at home and people were always humming a tune. So I think that that's familiar for so many of us, so many of us humming that tune in my head, you know, hmming that tune. Well,
the hum. Uh. The first time that I heard, I I was it was brought to my awareness as a medicine that I hadn't thought about it as a medicine. I mean, I'm telling you about what my roots, but I still didn't know it was a medicine. Was by a man who started the first sound school that I know of anyway in this country in Houston, Texas, I think in nineteen fifty eight or something like that. And uh, yeah, it's called the Center for Rational something Vibrational Movement.
And yeah, so there's nothing new under the sun at all. We all, you know, when we discover it, we think we discovered she said, we just now found out about it, you know. So it's good to stay humbled a little bit, you know, knowing that we are just standing on the roots of hundreds and thousands of years and different cultures forever and ever. Sound has been, voice has been, mantras have been, singing,
has been, dancing has been the major medicines, you know. So we just keep picking it up, picking it up, another, picking it up another, not picking it up. What was your question, dear heart, So talk about how humming it's an effective tool for healing because you have a couple of h and those of you listening. If you go to YouTube and go pipe and Vicki do O D D. She has two introductory humming sessions that are about a minute or two minutes each where she demonstrates us.
But I want you to talk about this right now, Vicki, and then give us a little demonstration of the simplicity of it, because it's much simpler than I thought. It's so simple, yes, simple, the way that I uh, the way that I well, one thing our body loves I think this is my story anyway, our body loves the sound of our voice, just loving on it, you know, just loving on it. And
the hum is such a beautiful hum hum hum. As soon as we start humming, it gets that liquid, which we've already talked about in seventy or eighty percent that we're liquid. That's a lot of liquidity. So that that hum just organically loving, just gets that liquid moving through us. So it helps us our circulation, it helps our digestion, It suthes our nervous system.
So it's not just a little lightweight thing we're doing. And I think those a lot of us that had elders, or remember those elders, and
we go, you know, there was something in there. Maybe they didn't know it, but there's an inherent knowing, there's an inherent knowing that it was helpful for their digestion if nothing else, kept them being able to stay in their bodies, if nothing else, you know, just like well anyway, I've worked a lot with abuse, so with people with the home, and so the home on a very practical level, it suthes our nervous system,
it helps us relax. I don't think that there's ever been a time in history that we didn't need that, but for sure we need it now. You in your demonstration that I saw you use your name, Yeah, and the one I liked was my name is Cliff. He was like Cliff Cliff, Cliff clue. And then it's kind of revolving how long do we do it doing? Are we looking for a sensitivity or just a practice.
I think we're looking for practice, and you can do it as long as you like, But basically I'm wanting to be able to do it so to the point where I actually can start feeling myself relax a little bit, that I can start being soothed a little bit and being able to start remembering that I am a body of frequency, I am a body of vibration, and and and that hum our, hum our speaking voice home can actually start waking up those sluggish places, you know, you know, if I'm on the
computer a lot, which we're all the computer a lot, and we watch a lot of television, if we're in around a lot of electronics, which today, when when I first started teaching that it wasn't true, but today it is. We're always we are never not away, you know, are you ever more than a foot away from your phone? I mean, you know, like we're always on it, so we actually need even more.
I think of that kind of self care because this is just basic as I'm going to consider it now one oh one self care let me haumme a little bit, and it doesn't take very long. And the way that I used to teach it, or used to teach it, I still teach it that way for someone who's never done it, so that it doesn't become like just a singing type thing. But we take our name, you know, like
you know, we got introduced when we first came on. My name is Vicky, and your so be right from that sound, right from that sound. I'm not like I wouldn't want to try to change how you say your name. It's your speaking voice, so that my body. So I'm not needing to be a singer. I'm not needing to go my name is Vicky. Hum no, no, my name's Vicky, and I would just start from Vicky Vicky, and then I know that I am a three dimensional body
and I know that I'm liquid. Now that may not mean a whole lot initially, but what I'm trying to suggest here is that I'm wanting my sound, my sound, my hum to be able to start embracing this three dimensional body, my front sides and back, just that you know, not a linear movement. Knowing that i am a spiral. I'm curved. I look at my fingerprints, I see the curve. I look at all my shapes. There's curves. I want to embrace that. I'm not wanting to put
a straight line. I'm not trying to become an opera singer where I need to keep that pitch at a certain place. Can you give us an example real short of introducing it and how how long we should hold it for? I would love to. So, so we're in a circle, We're in a room, and and I say my name is Vicky, and I'm going to do a hum with my name. So I say Vicky and then I let it get really messy in my mouth. You know, I've found students say, oh, like it's putting your name into a blender, you know,
and just blending it up until it's liquid and coming in. So come like this, my name is Vicky, vickying you Now I can use my hands. I'm the head is a beautiful resonating chamber. Um umm, I'm that's just the beginning of just seeing the simplicity whatever your name is. That people say I don't like my name, well then you don't have to use it. Find another name. It could be chair. There's not any magic in the name at this point. There are many exercises where the name is
important, not in this one. It's just it's just trying to be honest. It's like, all I'm trying to say is use your speaking voice, just the way that you would talk to me. Right now, what's happening when this is going on? What do you suspect is happening? Well, what I suspect and what I start experiencing is that I get more present in me. It, yes, I get more present in me. It starts moving my liquid. It literally starts moving the liquid, and I want to
keep my liquid moving again. I'm seventy eighty percent liquid. So much of my life is sitting around on computers, sitting around with the television. Right, so I need to do more than I've ever done. Right, twenty years ago, I didn't need to do it all the time. I need to do it a lot now. So I'm so even glad to even be having to talk about this stuff again so much because I need to be reminded. Were quick forgetters. I know you mentioned that. So this is a
self healing that's humming. It's so simple. And wonderful. It feels very ancient to me for some reason, and I don't know why. Maybe it's because I've been to these ancient lands and seeing these temples and pyramids and things. Is there is there an an innate knowledge of the body going Okay, we're gonna hum because we gotta. We need to clear out this blockage, we needed to clear out depression. What would you say, Is it like a self help tool, this humming. I think it's a beautiful self help
tool. I think it's absolutely essential to any other part of sounding. Often it's a way all begin my sounding. It's always a way that I want to end it, to integrate everything I have sounded, everything I've touched. But it's such a soothing see. I just I know I'm speaking a lot today about soothing, but I just I just find that we're at such a time where we just need to be soothed. You know, help me just soothe this body, soothe this nervous system. Help me get here, help
me get here, help me get here. You know, you also use the word, and I love this. You use intention, so I am intending for. I guess you could start it and I don't want to speak for you. But I think it would be wonderful to start it humming by going I intend for this to work on this area or this area or this area. I don't know. What do you suggest? Well, I never worked that way. I never I worked with intention, but I don't work with it trying to tell it where to go. Okay. I basically I
am earning over to that which is greater. I love that, Okay. Yeah, And that's where I have to stay because the truth is, I don't know what the problem is. I don't know what the problem is. I know where I may be feeling some discomfort, I know where I'm feeling pain or this or that, but but I don't necessarily know what the formula is going to show me afterwards. And that's what I talk about I think in the book about formulas, is that that I don't know the formula before
I begin. That's why it's all about listening. You know, what what what? What's what's calling me first? You know, and then it'll take me to the next piece. So it's it's about sounding. Is more about listening than it is about sounding. And we can just do it, uh, A toning or a humming for whatever length you're feeling that you need to go, I guess, huh, yes, yes, or how much time
you have. And you know, I used to love it when I would have, especially my first ten or so twenty years of my first decade or two of working with some I would literally I had the privilege to almost set aside a day that I could just empty and sound and move stuff and then bring myself back into the hamming again and integrating and then you know, just you know, whatever wanted to keep bubbling up. That was a very very wonderful time in my life because that was like being able to be in my
laboratory and it started really teaching me. And then you know, through the years it changes and now within five ten minutes one can do a complete integration, or even maybe less time than that. You know, sound works so quickly and with intention of what it. You know, please, you know, I'm needing to be able to basically, my intention doesn't get much more than just let me be connected to that which is greater. The book's called
Healing through Sound, Awakening your audible Body. And my guess today has been Vicky died. Vicky you mentioned and this is fascinating what you say here. You say, whatever is unexpressed runs the show. And so if you have a problem, there's something that's not being expressed. And then you in that same chapter you talk about when we need to be empty, and I guess
empty is meaning tell me what does that mean? Empty is meaning when I've got too much stress on me. I've got too many phone calls coming in, too many interviews coming in, too many people having trouble. I'm taking on too much stuff. I'm too busy. When you hear me going I don't have enough time, that basically is saying I need to empty. Okay, it's not about them pressuring me. It's that I need to do some self work here and I'm needing to let go, you know, so that
makes some sense. So empty is just, you know, let me empty that which is no longer mine because I don't care how much work we do. We were always exchanging energy with each other. Not that's not wrong, but it isn't is that I need to be aware of or I'm in different places, so I need to I need to that's part of self care. Let me empty that which is not mine, and not like, well, that's negative that's where we were in the sixties and seventies. Well that's negative
energy, you know. No, yeah, yeah, that we were just so smart. So you know, it's not about that. It's just that it's not mine or I need to move it up, or I need to generate it, or it needs to get more liquid, you know, whatever it is, I'm needing to keep my liquidity. Hild the Guard day Bingham, that was who I was thinking of. Do you know who? Yeah, held the Guard. That's an unusual name. It doesn't ring a bell
right now, but well, she was quite a mystic. I think it was my eight hundreds, eight or nine hundreds, and she was an incredible mystic, healer, herbalist. She had the ear of the it's the pope at the time. She was quite quite an influential person. Hill Deguard that
Bingham. She was also a composer, musician, and supposedly, I don't know if this is true, but I love this story because she was She was a prolific writer, letter writer, and she would write to the Pope of the day because she was really she They took advice from her, all these higher up politicians and all, and she would end up with stay juicy hilde guard. Now we got we kind of smiled that today, but in that day it meant stay stay wet, stay stay liquid because liquid us stay
in liquid is health. Stay healthy. Our health diminishes when we get coagulated, when our liquid stops being liquid. So our little hum can help start that coagulation. Because I'm sitting at the computer too long, I'm sitting in front of television, I'm sitting for long, I'm on airplane. Water that that our little hums and talking to this body can help remind the body to stay liquid and liquid it equals health. As we conclude, I want a
little more clarity on the statement whatever is unexpressed runs the show. Yeah, so are you saying kind of like whatever is caught in your body and it hasn't been hasn't been defined, it's gonna be it's gonna determine my perception, okay, because it's blocking me, or it's hurting me, or it's causing or it's coloring everything everything through that lens. Yeah. So that's when that's when I would really need some empty and let me see this clear. You
know, Can I trust my perception? Is it just because I'm resentful, angry, tired, you know. So, it's sound makes us honest. In my first book, I write a lot about how sound makes us honest. And that's why I think it's so important to shed everything and to own our different emotions, own our stuff. Not in terms of saying it to that person, because that does not help, but let me at least move it for myself. Let me get honest with me, and let sound be
the medicine. Let's sound, you know. So it's such a great statement because it's like defining the disease process. If you leave this stuck, it's gonna fester and manifest into something next level. And then if you don't pay attention to it, it's gonna get manifesting another level. And this is the problem I have with medicine is like we'll give you a drug to suppress that feeling or that discomfort, but you're not getting at the root cause of it.
So the drug pushes it even further into the body and then something else happens. Yeah. Yeah, it's a yeah, I hear you. I yeah. So being able to start taking some more response, not some more, taking responsibility for our own wellness and sound is a beautiful way to start.
Yeah, because it'll you know, if I got diagnosed on a bad day when I'm just kind of depressed, I'm just tired, I'm just this, I'm just angry, I'm disappointed, whatever, I'm going to have a completely different treatment, man, than if I do my own sounding, do my own movement, get honest with my own emotions before I go to have that blood checked. Yeah, you know, it's like letting me do my own homework first, Let me do my own clearing, because otherwise it's just
going to get a reading of where my stuck stuff is. Yeah, I mean, I'm making something kind of simplistic, but on some level. Yeah, you know, we need to do our own self care before we go to get care. Well that's the whole problem though, And I wanted to bring this up as we get close to the end. People just can't be bothered with this a lot of this and they're like, I can never do
humming. I just don't have time for it. But the problem is that if you don't take care of the body, the mind, and the spirit with this humming and other healing techniques, then someone else is gonna take over and you're gonna have a like you said, a bad diagnosis, or a prescription to poisonous toxic drugs or god forbid, around this liquid surface all the time. So so I mean really, in one or two minutes or even less, I can do a whole treatment for myself. It doesn't take very
long. It's just being willing to be foolish a little bit, go in that special room where you can sing or hum a little bit. That's right, that's right. You know I have a pillow over. I mean yeah, but you know, like, yeah, that my idea. And yeah, I mean just really quickly, I can express, I can move, I can bring it back to integration. Wow, you know, Yeah, why did you write this book? Tell us real quick as we close? Why? Why who did you write it for? And why did you write
it? And I kind of know why, but I want to hear in your own words, well, see why did I write? Well? I why did I write this book? Well? I wanted the information. I wanted to demystify. I wanted to make it accessible. I wanted people to know that their voice, their minds, their image, imagination could be healing for themselves. It's empowering, it's empowering and too. But basically, I'm so interested in demystifying because there's enough mystery. I don't need to create mystery,
you know. No, But so that was one of the main reason. I just wanted to make it simple. And and the truth is is that I think it's good. I think it's it's it's it's just so basic. It's just so basic, you know, to show that people can do that, we can do this. It's a beautiful self help and it doesn't interfere with anything else you're doing, right, you know, it's not contraindicated, right, you know. And so that's one of the main reasons.
And plus I'm going to be an elder here and I don't know how much longer I'm going to be around, and it's like, let me put this down. Someone might benefit from it. Yeah, oh no, it's a wonderful book. I'm so glad you feel that way. Healing through sound, awakening your body, excuse me, awakening your audible body. And the guest is Vicky dot Vicky, how can people get a hold of you? What's
your website? Sacred sound Works dot com? Yuh huh dot com? Right, And for those of you listening, Vicky also does Zoom healing work where you can contact her and register for private healing, and I would imagine she can also give you some help if you need to learn unique techniques for your situation. That's another thing she can do for you. You and I have found Viki on YouTube, So if you do Vicky Dodd, there's a number
of one of there's two or three that are about ten years old. Oh yeah, they're oh what, I need to do something new, But they're actually nice because they give you a sense of you working on people. Oh good. And also there's some I want to interview. I think it's in Washington State where you're at a you're giving a workshop and the leader, one of the people who gathered the people together, is interviewing you. It's very good. Yeah. Is there any place else people can see your work?
Mmm? No, I don't know. I don't know, but I tell you I am very accessible and I do one on one work on Zoom and online. So if people will be in touch with me, because I think that's I do the teachings that way, I will be. I'll be starting some teaching classes against because I really had to let everything go until this book got done. Oh, I bet you've been like pushing it the last minute
to get it up. So yeah, it's great. So a lot of a lot of my other life just kind of you know, but it's time again because there's nothing I like more than teaching and turning people onto their voices and simplifying, simplifying the health of it. Well, much success for those of you listening in. The book just came out and it is available on Amazon, your local bookstore, and you now have Vicki's email address and web web address, I should say, so if you want to get a consultation,
you can. You can reach out to her. Much success, Vicki, this is a wonderful book. I think you've done a great job, and I think you've really tapped into the wisdom of the ages on this thing. I really appreciate it what you're saying, and I appreciate you inviting me onto your show. And yeah, it's a pleasure in meeting you, and we should get together see about a session. You'd mentioned it, so I'm
just reminding you definitely, Yeah, I think you'd like it. This book is really and I can't say this enough, it's really one for your bookshelf because the techniques are easy to understand and practice. The other thing is go to YouTube, type in Vicky do d O D D V I C K I E D O D D and look for the self healing. There's two self healing videos that are about two minutes each and it's about humming your name. You mentioned your name and she did a little bit of it and then
you begin moving in audibly. It's very cool and I've tried it a couple of times. In this it does something to your solar plexus, your heart area, which for me is very sensitive, and I can't wait to work with some of the other techniques. I'm actually gonna get a session with her because I need to have some extra help and we're all on different stages of healing and dealing with wellness. So I really enjoyed that interview. I hope you did too. And her website is full of material as well. Sacred
Sound works with an x dot com and she's on the West Coast. She's in Washington, so if you're having issues, consider doing a personal or a private session with her. She doesn't through zoom or she doesn't through the phone because she wants people. She told me this just recently. She wants people to lay down while they're getting a session so they can take in the energy. And I think that's fantastic. So these therapies were known to the ancients,
you know, and they're so simple to use. And she made a very very good point that we've kind of lost touch with our ability to heal ourselves, and we kind of give up and go to the doctor. And unfortunately most physicians are skillless when it comes to real profound healing. You can't heal with medicines. They're so toxic now, and obviously we don't want to have surgery if we can avoid it. So these kind of books are self help and we need a little effort, meaning that you need to have a
little effort behind applying these sounding techniques. And I'm excited to read through this book a little more. I scanned through it and read a couple of chapters, but I want to read the whole thing. It's not much of a it's only like one hundred and what is it here? That's one hundred and
fifty pages maybe, which isn't a lot. So check it out. Healing through Sound Awakening your Audible Body with Vicky Dodd We're actually going to be in Egypt, and I'm leaving on the twenty sixth of this month, will be there for a couple of weeks, so I'll take some photographs of this hospital.
I think I had some of Sakara last year, but I didn't get enough details of these rooms and they're very very cool, and some of the other sites in that area that are considered healing healing facilities, healing chambers, and there's a lot of interesting and unknown acoustic properties. Too. Many of the buildings that were rated and the techniques are lost to us. We don't know what they were doing. But some of these temples you can actually do
sounding, so are toning. I want to also mention that we're going to be in Turkey and things have died down in the Middle East. The Israelis are leaving Gaza and things are much more comfortable, less hectic, less frightening, and we have space available for our August fourteenth through the twenty fourth tour of Turkey. It's the first time we're going to be there. Our host is going to be Mohammed Imbrahem. We meet in Istanbul and the our terrary
is excellent. Will be all over the place, including darren Kuru, Cappadocia, Go Beckley Teppe, and some other other places that are around here that are ancient. I mean, go Beckley Teppe's one of the oldest in the world. Now. That ends in August, and then we're going to be in Mexico November seventh through the eighteenth, and that is going to be excellent.
If you're in the United States, you need to come to that because the temples are right across the border and they are beautiful, sacred and healing. And we do a number of climbs. We practice at Mayapan, and then we'll be in Chichinitsa, my favorite city, which is the ancient Maya city of Ushmol. And then there's some other areas we're gonna be. We're gonna be at ekbalam Loabna, on and on and on. For more information on any of our tours, go to earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours
and you can see all the details. If you have any questions about our tours, send me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com and I'll get right back to you on there. I want to mention twenty twenty five is already shaping up. It looks like we have most of our tours will be in Guatemala at Tika in the early part of the year, one of the big beauties. And I'm only it's funny. I mentioned this tour that is coming up, probably in the summer Easter Island,
and I've been wanting to go there. I found out from Doctor Ed that he's taken a few groups there, and I said, you got to take us, You got to take us there. Talk about it once in a lifetime. So that's going to happen in twenty twenty five. If you have any interest in any of these tours, let me know and I'll get back to you right right quickly. We're also number three will be in Turkey
again. I was not going to do it, but I've decided that we're going to skip Egypt in twenty twenty five and we're going to go to Turkey instead. So the Jungles of Guatemala for Tikka, which is a fabulous We're gonna go and stand on the one pyramid, the New World Pyramid that was tested by John Burke, and you can actually fill the energy coming out of it. So that will be Guatemala, and then we will be in Easter Island in the South Pacific and then Turkey the finish of the year out.
That's why I think it's going to be Any interest in any of these tours go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours. I think we're about half full for the Easter Islands, so if you want to join us, send me an email Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com. Our tours are a blast, by the way. Also, I make sure that they're reasonably priced. You're not paying out of the nose for a visit to another country, I promise. All right, Okay, that's it for this program.
I think my guest today Vicki DoD coming to us from Washington State. As always, the team of Gil Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right, take care of be well, and we will talk to you next time.