Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. It has been months since we've discussed anything to do with extraterrestrials, alien interactions, abductions, sightings, even probes coming to observe us from Afar, And this week we are featuring an experiencer is what they're called, people who have had interactions with off world beings. You can call them aliens. Some people have had interactions
with what are beings of light. Some beings have evolved, some beans have turned into almost pure consciousness and appear and disappear in different kinds of ships that we can't really consider metal or made from some kind of mass of some kind. But today we're talking with actually a person who I've known for about thirty years, Robert Perrella, who had an experience almost thirty five years ago that left such a deep impression on him that he has written. He had written
a number of books on his experience and continues to talk about them. He also is the MC Master of Ceremonies for a number of conferences up and down the California coast, that's Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, and then north of me here in Marin County where there is a Mouffon Group mutual UFO organization where he speaks and he introduces new and upcoming people who are also
experience seeing the phenomenon. Now, it's unfortunate in some ways that where we're at, and when I say that, as a species on an evolutionary path, we're still kind of stuck in a quagmire of shoot first asked questions later and President Eisenhower, who was a World War two Supreme General for the United States, recognized that the industrial military complex, as he called it, was an overwhelming part of the United States, and what he meant was that it
was being fed by congressional grants of huge sums of money that after the war, continued to grow and became a dominating factor to this day where we're having the oversight of the military mindset dominating how we're react to interactions with off world
beings and what that means. And I think you're getting you can get the sense of what I'm talking about is that the policies that we have in place are militaristic, meaning that anybody who comes into our airspace who doesn't identify them space identify themselves Anybody who flies and uh hovers over military bases, over various cities, places of population is considered suspicious, and so we're we want to shoot them down. We don't you know they it's it's kind of a rudiment.
It's kind of a very out of touch, out of place way to react to an intervention with an alien race. Now, it's my best guess, and there's a number of authors who also write about this, that probably the vast majority of these et and the beings that are flying them are extremely
advanced. You know, a few hundred years, a thousand years, could be many, many thousands of years in advance of us, and they have evolved to the point where there are observers and they don't need That's the last thing they care about is to subjugate us, to hurt us, to enslave us, which I think is one of the big fears of the military.
And so we don't have the interaction that I really crave. And I've spoken about this for a number of years that I was very much involved in the et UFO UAP phenomenon and had as a side track to a conference would have the best of the best, the foremost authorities on the people who had alien abductions, who had alien interactions, who witnessed craft, who saw them up
close and personal, and this included some ex military. A number of airline pilots have come forward, and people like Steven Greer, who are going out of their way to kind of create a disclosure scenario, have become very prominent
in the lives of people who are interested in UAP's alien interactions. Now, if you follow Earth Ancients, we've had people like doctor av lob On the program, a foremost astronomer from Harvard University, and he is of the mindset that we are being viewed and inspected if you want to call it that, and observed through these advanced probes. And we're going to have doctor Lobon later in the year to give us an update on his program of skimming the water.
Remember, he believes that a probe entered our atmosphere, burnt up and landed off of New Guinea in the Pacific Ocean, and he actually went out and scratched and scratched and uh dredge the bottom of the ocean and found fragments. Now we want to hear about that. But he's also gonna go out again, and I don't know if it's this summer or the fall where he's gonna go out and dredge the dredge under the water again and see what else
he can come up with. I don't think there's a you're gonna get a lot, because when it interests the atmosphere, it's gonna break up pretty significantly. But he would go a long way to prove that the metal that he's collected is an exotic metal, not of our planet, which would be a good indicator that these are alien probes. So I think, you know, it's funny because I don't think av can really speak his mind as much as
we hear him. And when I say that is I think he's one of these people who believes that were on the cusp of a major disclosure, if not a huge craft orbiting our planet or out in the cosmos that are quite detectable. And I mean a lot of people freak out when they hear that. You know, it's like a War of the World's kind of scenario, like they're going to come and dominate us and destroy us. And that's another problem is that we have these movies that are just out of control It's never
a positive scenario where we have ets coming to Earth. It's always like, oh, they're here to overtake us, to dominate us, to experiment with us. In some of the early programs to come and actually eat us. There was a I think it was The Outer Limits had a program where the aliens came and they entered, they presented themselves and they were taking people on ships for what they were saying was a visit to their planet. Well, as it turns out, we were food for their people. I shouldn't laugh,
but it's funny. It's hilarious, and you know, it's like, those are the kind of scenarios that get it are left with us, and it's like, how are we supposed to as a civilization respond when we have idiots in Hollywood and television coming up with these scenarios. Now there's been better, there's been more positive movies that have been made, but they're in the
minority. I think people like to be scared, and this is why Hollywood makes its money when you have scary aliens coming to Earth and doing weird things. So, but today's program is more on a positive note. It's a traumatic experience when you are face to face with an et. I've always said that most of these aliens vibrating energetically a lot higher than we are, and
it's important that they kind of stay keep their distance. And this is why when there are interactions, these beans are wearing special suits, or they're in another room, or they have gently anestized anesticized the person who is on their ship, or relax them in some way, because it's dangerous for us to interact with these beings that are many thousands of years old. But today we're going to hear an interesting event that happened and left its impression on our guest
today. So today's program is the Visitors, and my guest is Robert Perella. This week is our official launch of our twenty twenty five schedule, and we're taught Easter Island. It's going to be March fifteenth through twenty third, and we are being led by none other than our good friend doctor Edwin Barnhardt. And I wanted to ask just a brief question or two because I obviously have never been there and I'm really excited to be a part of this.
It was a highlight talk about the moai. There's a number of them, aren't there. There are so many moai there it's outrageous. You see from coffee table books that there's lines of them, but in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages used to be. So we're gonna go visit a bunch of those.
There's also the quarry. There's one quarry where almost all of them were made, and a lot of them are still half made lying in the quarry. That thing is just a sight to see how grew up briefly, and I didn't realize they have an observatory there. Is it a planetarium or is it more of a setup for evening sites. It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man named EDMUNDO Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of
the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty years now. He knows more than anyone and he put together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with the visitors that come to the place. Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a lot in during those seven days, right, I tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across, there is an endless amount
of things to see there. Looking forward to it fantastic all right? For more information, you go to Earthancients dot com forward slash tours, look for the photo of Ed standing next to one of the Big Mai sculptures and registered as soon as you can. I want to let you know that we are now looking at being fairly full. The maximum we're going to take us thirty people, so we might be getting really close to that. So again, go to Earthachiens dot com forward slash tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you,
Cliff. It's been a while since we've talked about extraterrestrials and I live here in northern California, and I, over a period of time, have come to know a lot of the local legends and ongoing sightings that are here. If you're not familiar with northern California, the most famous location is a place called Mount Shasta, and Mount Shasta has quite a history. A lot of
people believe it was part of MoU or Limoria. There's sightings of Bigfoot, but there's also a tremendous amount of UFO activity in and around the actual mountain and the neighboring city of the area. I live in the Bay Area and there's a lot of activity here too. There's a Mouffon Mutual UFO group that
is in Petaluma. There used to be one in santase And as a program director for Whole Life Expo and in other conferences, I've been fortunate to meet a number of interesting individuals, and today I'm I'm welcoming Robert Parala, who's been with God. Robert's been around the Bay Area for decades and he had his own experience which is quite profound, and wrote a book called The Divine
Blueprint a number of years ago. And I wanted to have Robert on the program not only to get his personal perspective, his experience, but also to get a sense of where we're going, what he feels personally on this whole phenomenon of ET interaction. So, Hey, Robert, welcome to Destiny. Great to see you. Hey, thanks, Cliff, It's lovely to connect with you too. Yeah. I hear a lot about you and your show, and it's really good to be on. Yeah. Sure, yeah,
you know it's funny. We've known each other. Must be close to thirty years, right, because we go back to Whole Life Expo and this event that happened to you, you was thirty five years ago, right, Yeah, approximately nineteen seventy seven was the first one, and the second one in nineteen ninety seven, so long. Yeah, it's funny because I remember you publishing your book, The Divine Blueprint, and there's another one. I guess
the revised edition is The Divine Architect. But this was a profound event. Now, let's kind of go back a little bit before the event. Were you because you were part of conferences, you had your own business and things like that. But were you kind of a UFO enthusiast or talk a little
bit about how you where you were at prior to this experience. Well, I was raised in a house where we were well aware of metaphysics, and my mother was always holding little meetings with these ladies that would come over, and they were experimenting with seances and transcendental meditation, which was really far out when you were a boy in the mid sixties. And I remember at one
point we had a reputation that if the furniture was moving by itself. You were probably at the pirellas you know, and they were very so my mother was very experimented with that. So we knew about UFOs, and we knew about metaphysics and the esoteric in the mystery schools. But really it wasn't until I was on a skiing vacation. I'm actually sixty eight years old now I'm
sixty nine next month in August, but in December of nineteen seven. And by the way, I'm probably one of the oldest speakers now on the UFO circuit and one of the originals that met with j. Allen Heinek, the founder of this industry, more or less in community in the early early days. But the long short of it was, now, I was on a skiing vacation in nineteen seventy seven. I'm really given UFO as much thought at
all. I was on a skiing vacation and I was studying a little bit about meditation at the time and learned that thoughts were real things, that they're tangible, that your thoughts don't just residing inside your spirit or your brain, but in fact actually can be broadcast out to a multitude of This aspect of what we call the divine intelligence itself, and so I just literally just so
strange. I asked a question, if there's anything out there I'd like to know someday, And it was just as simple as that, never thinking anything was going to happen or certainly immediately. This is like what like the nineteen seventies. This is December twenty sixth, leading into the early morning of December
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy seven. I was nineteen seventy seven, Okay, I was twenty two years old, and the middle of the night, we were in kind of a chalet that was up there in Heavenly Valley of all
things, on this ski trip. And for some reason, whatever however these these entities work, the house seemed to It was almost as though the fantastic arcing storm entered the room that was divide the imagination, your room, your your mind doesn't have room for something like that, And it seemed like almost like the side of the house fell away, and it was almost like the
sun was coming through. This brilliant light of violent green indigo, purple silver speckles seemed to just completely envelop me, and suddenly I was encased in kind of this frozen position, and down came down. What I know? This sounds incredible. You'll see images later in the show. What down came what looked like three astronauts of some kind. Now, this story I've stayed with from the very very beginning. It hasn't altered. It just defies the imagination.
Now something like that could happen. And they I didn't see any faces. They wore silver, glowing space suits that looked like the suit itself was even like the suit itself was alive, and they had like an orange antenna on top and an advisor across where there would be a face. But I saw no faces. I don't remember any They didn't speak to me, which would make it much better story, but they didn't, unfortunately. And suddenly
I was whisked away in a tunnel that was of this brilliant light. And as people have described your death experiences, the wonder of going through the beauty and the tunnel and how beautiful it was, Well, unfortunately that's not this story either. The tunnel light I went through actually was very painful, and at one point I thought I was going to even surrender to death because it felt like being on fire. What what were these beings with you as you're
going through this temple a tunnel? Excuse me, it was a tunnel going up to the craft into this earth where what was the direction the It was just in a forward motion. I didn't know if they were behind me or in front of me, or even with me. All I know is I was being projected, you know, in this in this light. And then I suddenly arrived in this room and it had no nothing in it. It was it didn't even have corners in the room. It just seemed to be
a gray kind of hue everywhere and no definition. And then I remember floating in a suspended animation, not being able to move, and even my thoughts were frozen, and it didn't sound look at a glass object of some sort. I don't remember it being a long time, and then I was brought back and I was lowered in this blue bubble that I was in, and lowered down onto the bed, and these astronauts whatever they were, stood there,
and then suddenly everything closed back up. It's as though the atmosphere that had closed up this light had closed up in that and the room appears again and I'm lying there on the bed incomplete and totally complete shock. I have no idea what it was. And eventually I threw up over the side of the bed, and eventually I did crawl out of the bed and I crawled across the floor and I made my way to this little vanity that they had, which was a little bathroom. I turned on the light and I pulled
myself up. I thought, a splash some water, my faces said, But I thought I'd had a nervous breakdown. I thought, well, maybe this is some kind of implosion that I've had or something, some kind of some kind of mental break Yeah. Yeah, So I was soaked in kind of about an oil like material, like a honey oil like material, and I was sunburned. Now, when something like that happens to you, there's no reference point or in comparison. You're wondering what's happened, and there's there's
this feeling of I thought I've had some sort of manifestation and that. But I know what I saw, and I was in such a shock. And I'll speed up the story because I think to get through these other sort of aspects of other things that people might be interested in. But long story short, I was brought home that next day, and I didn't say anything about
what this was. I didn't know what it was. And that day I arrived at my little apartment in Las Guttas, California, which was down the street from a little metaphysical bookstore of all things, and I locked myself in my apartment. And actually that was the first day I was going to live alone. It only moved out of my house the year before, out of my parents' house, and only lived at the roommate for one year, and
this was actually day one where I was going to live alone. I called in sick to work and I stayed in the apartment for about seven days and I tried to make sense out of this cliff. I really had no idea what this was. And I made my way to the bookstore, thinking maybe this has some kind of manifestation, and long story short, I found a book called the UFO Chronicles bike Doctor j ellen Heinich, and there was a book by Brad Steiger called Alien Meetings. I remember Brad Steiger, Yeah,
incredible guy. So and then incredibly there was a magazine, UFO Magazine, and I was just sort of getting idies, does have anything to do with space beings or something I didn't have a narrative for it. And as I opened up the magazine, and this is absolutely the same story that I've stayed with. So now I was twenty one, then twenty two, then I'm sixty eight now so and I opened the magazine and to my absolute utter astonishment, there is a photo of something that's really close to what I saw.
And that photo was taken by an off duty police officer, Jeff Greenshaw from Folkville, Alabama. It was shot in October nineteen seventy three. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, I thought, My God in heaven, that looks I mean, it was only ten percent. It's a black crued black and white photograph, so all the light is missing, all the storm arcing storm that was coming out of it and off of it was missing. Doesn't can you describe it? Is it? Is it an
actual ship? Is it a is it a bubble? Does it have a it's a two shot. There's two pictures of it. One is a single being which what looks like a silver spaced humanoid of some sort with advisor and you can see the little dot at the top, which is what the photograph was able to take and that was the orange antenna. And then there's another shot of three of them and they look semi transparent, as though they were
moving from physical to non physical. And yeah, and so would you say that this photograph is this would you guess of the same race of beings that connected with you? There's really it was still to the stand as no aid to Really I've never traced it as to where they really come from, you know, souls. And I've said this before, and I'm kind of going along the lines of some of the early predecessors that maybe you've on your show,
things like that. The old days there was Barbara Marsiniac and the Pleiadeans, it was Barbarahan Klow, And I felt like for my research it does appear. In fact, it even says in the Lost Books of Job, which is not included in the standard version of the Bible or port King James version. The Lost Books of Job says, you are descendants up the House of Pleiades. You are descendants of the House of Seven Sisters, and in that is an area where I believe humans may come from, which is this
It's about forty what is it forty million light years from here. It resides in the constellation of Urus, and in that is a series of cluster of stars called Tigeta Maya Era Electra Elsion Mob and it's from this era. It is highly likely, perhaps that humans are coming to the material world here as an adjunct to their studies. They come here by divine appointment, I believe,
And so are these beings from there? I couldn't say, but I brought the photo to the very first UFO conference of its kind, which was held in May of nineteen seventy eight, and it was put on by doctor j Ellen Heinik. Wow. I looked at that ad and I said, this must be the go to guy. This is the go to guy. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna take this photo. I'm gonna take this magazine. I'm going to go to this guy and tell him. I went and I arrived there. Now JJ and dasre Hertdak aren't sure if they were there.
I remember them being there. What city was it? Where was it? Hell was in South San Francisco at the airport. Okay, it was at the San Francisco Airport Hilton, which is now a parking lot. So it's long gone and does Rain and j J. Hertuck were there, and William Shatner, incredibly was there. And I was telling my story to Jale and Heineke and you remember those little cassettes that we used to have where you push them into the cassette player and you close the plush, push play and
record. And he why would I give to have that tape today? And he said, tell me what happened? Well, as I was telling him that this guy was kind of trying to intervene in a moment with Jail and heinich Is, I was amazed. He was talking to me really and and then it turned. I turned around and it was William Chatner. So that was quite a moment for me when I later thought about it on the way home and thought, well, well, that's really not the story I'd ever
want to tell. You could never go home and tell people you think you've seen an extraterrestrial You told the leading science researcher in the country. And Captain Kirk was listening in as well, because William Shatner, years before was Captain Kirk in the TV series Star Trek. But that is how funny life works. So and that's how it happened, and then I didn't go public until nineteen ninety four, So you were dealing with what I would consider trauma from
this event. Now, since that time, have you been able to have more of a memory of what actually happened? Is there lost time in your situation during this experience? Well, interestingly enough, I never saw that ever again to this day, not even a dream, nothing. But as far
as the emotional impact, it absolutely utterly sort of shattered me emotionally. I kept thinking, is there a law or is there a physics law that says the body as we're living now can actually move between the planes with the body or even without the body, But do we move between planes? And that became a study for a long time. That led onto researching. Of course, you know tons of people that would be like on your show, that
have near death experiences go to the other side come back. In fact, I interviewed and talked to Anita Moore Johnny last year at Conscious Like Texpo, and she has one of the best testimonies of being taken out of her body and coming back and then forth then had a tale to tell what is awaiting, And so that became a real big part of what So in the community that we're in, if I was going to be compared to anybody, I'd
probably be more compared to Danny and Brinkley kind of experiencer, type of guide than I say. I'm not the pre eminent researcher, and I'm certainly not the social media missile. Yeah, but Robert, you had a unique experience, and you've said some very key things during the experience that you felt ill and you at one point it was so I think you said painful that you almost felt like you were dying. What was that all about? Why would
they subject to you to that? Was it? The I mean because when I thought when I heard that, I thought about a number of cases where I've heard people walking up to the craft and because the craft is powered by some unknown electromagnetic energy field, they when they touched the craft, it either shocks them into unconsciousness or it is extremely painful burns. So where do you think you fall Ooh, you know, there was really no reference point for
that. I don't know. I came out of the experience very disoriented and had a soundburn that only lasted about a day before it disappeared. What it's from that would be a great story to say it was radiation burns and I was standing right next to the ship. That's such a great story. I
know, there's so much missing in my own experience. I can only go on what I experienced and what I visualize, and I try to stay within the realm of, you know, some kind of truth and not embellish on it, because I had to totally understand that community is loaded with people that would love to sell a book and embellish the story and then add a conversation or becoming a necessary or ambassador even or But unfortunately, you know, my
story is just exactly you know what it is. How the burn happened. I don't know. How about how about the missing time? You remember we used to have at the expo. Bud Hopkins, who wrote Intruders, he was always recording the people who were taken on board for observations and medical exams. A lot of them were anesthetize and they had tremendous amounts of missing time up to half a day sometimes. How about in your case, is there
any sense of time at all? Well, there was an experience I had, It wasn't the missing time during my personal encounter was maybe it's hard to say it was. You know, it was almost immeasurable. Really, it didn't seem like the event lasted very long, but three minutes perhaps, if I were to measure in time. But souls are taken momentarily at all different
points of consciousness, even in my own case. I remember one time thriving home oddly from the San Francisco Airport many years later, and I was suddenly in math in view, and I remember it really shocking me that, you know, in a blink of an eye, it was suddenly a non view. And I know it's not just when you go daydreaming on the freeway. I remember that particular moment. But souls have direct contact with everything and anything
imaginable. It's not for them to interfere or disturb us in any form, because from what I've calculated, the soul's agreement is to come here and to concentrate on its lessons, which is largely a personal growth story. It's one of learning about tolerance and selfless kindness and compassion and forgiveness and understanding and tolerance.
And it's really almost a galactic personal growth agreement that we come here and be and we're almost closed off visually, mentally, and emotionally to these other support systems that are actually walking all around us every day. Now, many people, like on your show, would say, I've had glimpses and came out of my body and I saw people walking right past me and saw the
footsteps that they were stepping in right right past me. So you see, actually, when you when the body is is calm enough and when the mind is calm enough, the literally the the center of the AJNA center or whatever you want to call it, that that is able to see into the ethers witnesses a community. Actually, you might even say this community as they walk by, not even your not even only your thoughts or even your own you're
actually sharing the space. And sometimes you think of thought and it just pops in your head and you hear it in your own mind's voice. But that way it's comforting. You know, it would be very disturbing somebody among the other sides in your thinking to yourself and then they said, well, Cliff, can I answer that question for you? It would be very disconcerting. Yeah, I'm curious because you're you're kind of getting into this near death experience.
We'll get into more of it later when you actually had an experience in Egypt. But would you say that the pain was so great in this experience of being taken by these three beings that you were shifted into a possible near death experience. I'm just curious as to because you know, you were obviously traumatized, but maybe it was more than that. Maybe they subjected you to energies that were a little more than you could handle. Yeah, for sure,
that's that question. Also is did they take me actually physically or was I pulled out of my body and then returned back to the body. That also is unfortunate area I can't live answer. Although the sensation of being on fire was exactly like it would be if you were physical and you were standing, you know, too close to a fire or an electrical current, the evidence of being in a substance on my body was was something unknown, and
the burn lasted only until the next day. The substance itself when it first happened for the first who knows how long weeks. As weeks went by, I kept thinking at that point, the early days, it was that the body secretes its own natural emergency system somehow and secretes a different kind of sweat,
like a like a goo almost that comes from the inside. But and I never really found anything to substantiate that seemed to be something that was Maybe it was a protectant of some kind, you know, So would you getting back to the beans, did you ever, I mean, this has been a long time, decades. Did anything ever happen in a dream or other consciousness where you did get a message from them? Is there any communications whatsoever, any physical connections whatsoever? Actually, yes, in many, in a
number of different forms. Once you're open to it and you're going after it, so to speak, or studying it, researching it, and eventually I was even like you, I was interviewing people in the show up in San Francisco for a few years or three years or something. What you're pursuing can pull you towards that experience if you're approaching it with I think humility and maturity. I've been out of my body a number of times. I've seen their
footsteps in their places. Let me digress. When I was a boy and I was in the first grade, I saw apparitions, and I saw them often. These are men and women like you and I who have benefited from greater time or greater knowledge, and at one time lived physically and moved over to the next ether, and are experiencing this slightly less than physical ether, fourth or fifth dimensional what have you? And I saw these apparitions, so
I grew up with the idea even that there were beings around us. I wasn't so removed like the In fact, they made me do the first grade over again, and they on my report card, they would write things. My teacher would write things like Robert says, he sees people standing behind it. Are you kidding me? Your teacher wrote that. Yes, my teacher wrote it, and they and he says, he says he sees some people standing behind the teacher, and this disturbs the class and he's distracted. We
feel that it would be better if he did the first grade again. So I did it again. That a council come up, but I s don't remember her name, missus Mitchell, And she was asking me, as a little boy, you know, tell me about these beings. I said, well, you must have seen them. I said, well you must have
seen them. I mean, I've seen them. They're here in the middle of the night when my parents are sleeping, and then I see them sometimes I've seen them on the playground and I've seen them walk past my teacher and they just seem to walk through a wall and that's it, and I might never see that one again. So I knew the realities were malleable then,
even as a child, and so I was open open to it. And do you think that that's maybe one of the reasons why you were selected by this off world group is that you already had a nervous system adaptable to different realities, different frequencies. Uh, and you are seeing these these beings on your own plane, I think so. I think we from what I've learned, when you look at the origin of this al you you begin to see
re I look for reoccurring pictures. And I'm not the best researcher you've got on your show, but I know enough to read the important aspects of you know, and things like what pre birth planning, and it seems to be a re I look for reoccurring themes. You know, I sit up late at night watching near death experience videos and and it's an educational process. You and I see it reoccurring theme. And when I see that reoccurring theme of
people that don't know each other that share this theme. You begin to see a picture of Oh, I get it. So the soul actually lives on the other side well for what appears to be maybe the majority of the time, and then is in an agreement somehow to come to the material plane. They find a set prerequ the prerequisite set of circumstances and outline for the soul, certain time zone, you would come into, a certain geographical location,
a certain family. And then of course we have people down here that have been tracing like astrology and where did when did you come in? And where did you come in? And then those stories, and then you begin to
see a set of prerequisite lessons that you're coming into. And then there's there's even demarcation points at your life stream of when there may be an intervention of some sort, the have a miraculous happening to remind you that they are there in some form, and so you may be pulled out of your body and brought back, You may be brought to a different plane. You may have a direct visitation and stay here on this side. So it happens in a
number of different ways. So you're kind of walking through a divine intelligence that's a network of intelligent beings that we can't see all day long, who are educating us and who are watching our choices, and then those choices, when we're done with our material world existence, are looked at and evaluated on the other side as to how did you progress? And then you wake up. So you walk in from a dream and you see, oh, I was sent there as an adjunct to my studies. Oh wow, and it can
be a very long journey, as I found out. Yeah, you know, I'm just curious because you know, you talk about being taken aboard the spacecraft and here's three beings. Maybe you were conscious, allowed to be conscious just for a fraction of the time, and everything else was kind of dotted
out, you know, you were kind of you're made to forget. Perhaps you had which is classic with a lot of these abductions or meetings where you were had some procedures done on you and you were not allowed to remember that because maybe they were you know, not very comfortable or whatever. But I mean that's why I was asking you if anything has come up since, you
know in terms of this this interaction that with these beings. Sometimes you know, we have a traumatic experience and it's in our benefit, and always say that life is happening for you, not to you. And that's the only I can go on. Why it would be so painful, I don't know, because other people claim they've had a benevolent experience with this. It was just what it was. And yeah, you know, something like this you never forget. And when I went to do my first lecture in the in
July, gosh, you know what today is what the sixteenth? I think it actually was July fifteenth. I did my first lecture in nineteen ninety four. Nineteen ninety four, so quite a few years later. Yeah, and you know, so this is sort of an anniversary date. What is that? That is thirty years nineteen ninety foyeah years that it would be thirty years will tell you this. In sixteen, it would be thirty years yesterday that I that I did my first lecture. I was scared of. Yeah.
I had put up a poster in a metaphysical book store and I thought we'll try. You know, I'd actually seen some of the other speakers. I saw Sean David Morton, I saw Danny and Brinkley, I saw oh yeah, Brenvillo, mil Keys and I saw and I said, you know, I can do that maybe, and you know, I should make some notes, try one of these myself. And it was. It was in santase at the di Wein Science Community Center, and in those days they didn't have the internet, so you had to go see the guy. And it was
a packed house. I remember thinking, oh God, oh Perella, what have you got yourself into now a lecture? And there was actually a guy. I was in the last row. I was sweating together with one hundred and two that day and the guy next to me, I'm in the last row. He doesn't know I'm the speaker. He says, I sure up. The speaker is good today because the one they had last month was terrible. That's all you needed to hear. That was Santase mof On. Wow.
Yeah, that was Santase moof On. Ruben Urie already was there and you had a number of people and I went up and I gave the talk and it was like a blur. I was so nervous. I turned around. I had a few illustrations on a great big white board in those days, and it was effortless. It was just though something came into me. And then it was over. It was forty five minutes, and they were standing there cheering, and I was like what It was almost like I wasn't
there myself. It was so funny. And a guy comes up to me and he says, that is the damnedest talk I have ever heard. Listen, we have a little group that meets at Stanford University. Would you come up there and do a talk, the same talk, just this way for us. I think we charged three dollars at the door or something, and I'd never thought about it that way. My first image in my head was
that sounds to me like Jerry Lewis goes to Stanford. Fuck that bumbling idiot, you know, Like I thought, what you know, because I barely got out of high school. But they liked the sincerity, the honesty, and it must have been it must have been, you know, well presented. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guests today, Robert Perella discussing
his book The Divine Blueprint and his interaction with off world Beans. Will be right back. My guest today, Robert Perella had a et experience a interaction thirty five years ago, and has written about it extensively in his two books, The Divine Blueprint and The Divine Architect and what he believes is the future of et human disclosure. You talk about extraterrestrial science, and I'm really curious because this is something that has come out of your experience and you kind of
related to the Platheons and their race of beings. But what what what's going on with this extra extraterrestrial science, Robert? What? What? What is this something that's come through you? Is this something that you've studied talk about it? Well, it studied it, you know, on of all throughout
my whole life. So whether we were talking about some of the great authors that have come through, and I don't know, people have mentioned, like you know, Greg Braden and Drama melches A Deck and there were so many names that kind of came through. But in the last four years, I've been on a zoom call almost not every Wednesday. For a long time it was every Wednesday, but now it's more like every other Wednesday. And how many people know this? But I've been working with Danny Sheen for years.
You know Danny Sheen, the famed constitutional Harvard Law Yeah, and so he started this committee of one hundred which is on this Wednesday nights, and it first started out as climate change, domestic policy, international policy. But what's happened recently in studying that the science of UFOs is he was one of the nine lawyers that got a sponsorship and that sponsorship was able to produce and support room at the Methodist Building which is across the street from the House of Congress.
And in the last four years, you know, they have been writing a sort of treatise on what disclosure would look like and to be able to kind of control. Let's put it this way. YouTube is filling up with all these sightings of people with their cell phones out of a window in a altitude Blaine on its way to London, or are they caught something over a lake or whatever, And it's filling up so fast with anomalous objects in the
distances. Not to interfere too much, they're all seem to be kind of, you know, the classics, slightly out of focus or non evasive targets. But what he's been writing is is this document that preparing for first contact because they believe and behind the scenes is this talk being prepared and laws being prepared for if they're more of a direct contact happens, how do we respond,
Are we underneath an umbrella of law of some kind. Well, these guys study science, the science of how many visitations, how frequent, in what area, in what experience? Was it direct? Now, of course, the ultimate question is is why happened? Why hasn't a craft made and attempted landing in a major metropolitan area. And the easier answer for that is
it probably would shatter the fabric of this reality. And we're looked on upon as very primitive, a violent species, very unaware universal and spiritual law. We obviously don't even know how to live within the law of telling a simple truth for a lot of us, although we're learning that, and we have weaponry that is placing us in a jeopardized position of potentially disturbing the plane so badly that the incoming souls that are due to come here all of a sudden,
that platform and the material plane is not available. So we're we're at a point of heading towards a I don't want to say collision course, but we're heading towards an apex where that technology is so strong now, and this is why we're seeing a lot of activity over these nuclear silos all throughout the world. They don't seem to be aggressive targets. They seem to be curious and they they And in the meantime, this office that Danny is in is
meeting with people like Senator Mark or Rubio, Senator Kirkland. There's there's a whole list of people that are coming across the street that are talking about the matter privately. And this is discussed on the zoom. So I don't think I'm out of context here, and Danny, I'm sure is out there somewhere
discussing all this and much more detail than I can do. But that is laws like if you have an artifact of any kind that is anomalous, it seems to be a non terrestrial artifact that is falling down from space, be it you believe a satellite, a piece or whatever, or a photograph that is really significant you actually they're passing this law that you are by law directed to actually turn it into it to the government that passes it through the Defense
Department. They want every last just like your cell phone. They want to know every little move that and Robert are doing. Every day, not that we're that important, but they want to know everything that is going on because we are headed towards some kind of disclosure is unfolding kind of each and every day, But then they're waiting for this sort of pinnacle moment where it's undeniable and then how we are we mentally going to make that sh Do you think
that this is going to be a forced event? In other words, I don't ever expect to hear from our government that there's gonna there's evidence of aliens. I think that and I and I kind of agree with you that we're primitive and we shoot first and ask questions later, which is a huge problem. And we're not very bright military industrial complex, as Eisenhower mentioned it as fully effect, we were spending tens of well hundreds of billions every year on
weaponry and new equipment to blow people away. So we're not very we're not very friendly to ets. But your belief that we're coming to a maze, you're a disclosure where it's like, hey, we're not the only ones here. We want you to know that you're part of a collective of planets and you're not alone. What do you say to that? I think disclosure is
an ongoing momentary experience by every individual who's interested in the subject. It's something that is happening daily in many forms, with sightings that seem to be increasing in the graphs. The look at the data from people like Moufon and other organizations, they trace this graph that seems to be us ending in the way of visual sightings, some sort of recording or what have you. But you also have, you know, you have the side aspect, which is like
motion pictures, movies, youtubes, documentaries all piling up. And I think it appears to me that all of this seems to be this ongoing momentum just to get you used to the idea. It feels like it's more of a conscious catch up to those you know, are we going to be ready?
Because every incredible idea that has come along, you look at the old days, like when we saw the movie Oppenheimer last year, fantastic picture based on the book American Prometheus, which is really a moral tale about how we come into the atomic age and new age of energy, and it seemed like the ideas were incredible, and there was conjecture and arguments, and Einstein wanted to
meet up and hire himself. That's a perfect example of how we catch up to a new idea, new science that is birthing us into a larger expression. So I think ET is here slowly moving into our experience, be it an apparition in your bedroom right on up to a physical sighting in the distance, to get you used to the idea over decade aid so we can grow into it. And then comes the ideas well, what happens if we do
have potentially and this part is really studied. Actually, you'd have to ask Danny about this because he's the guy that I I mean, he's my teacher, you know, so he's the guy to tell you about this. But what happens at the point if a detonation of an atomic detonation at this point does go off and potentially jeopardize even a chain reaction, is that the day of disclosure? Is there actually an intervention? Is it even what the Bible
talks about about the day of reckoning? Or a second colming of some kind, or an intervention that seems a non evasive that says something in the unseen happened that saved us today. There's many theories about that. Because my theory is that et has a vested interest in this experience at a very deep and profound level. And while we have souls running around that deny it, UFOs
even exist and don't give it any thought. Then there's scholars at the other end that give theories of how this will play out, and like your show supports that very platform, which is a great for all. But I want to get your opinion, Robert, because was it a couple of years ago the Department Offense went and collected a bunch of theologians, priests and rabbis and ministers and ask their I mean and why they ask them rather than social media
heads of state or heads of companies. What they thought would be the reaction of people's realization that we are not alone, or the first contact scenario where an alien race comes and says, hey, we're here, welcome to the collective of planets, so forth and so on. Why they And they did this back in the nineteen sixty with a report on the reaction of the United States citizens, and that report said that we would freak out, we would
commit suicide. But why don't they ask social media? This is the biggest phenomenon in the entire planet. Well, I mean if they were to ask those people, I think they'd have a different reaction. So anyhow, I'm curious about your feeling on asking people of religion rather than others, what their opinion is of our first contact. Well, they're an important demographic to our experience. And they and you know, the higher ups the Pentagon and everything
they you know, or television networks, what have you. Know that that's a that's a large demographic. Whether they're attending you know, more of a clergy that is Catholic based, or whether they're born again or or what have you, and or secular churches, what have you. That's a community that is seeking a divine answer. And so they're there there. They seem a lot of people seem like, well this is the go to people. I
went through that. I would still even sit down with the clergy if I had a chance from the archdiocese, popular or not popular, I would ask them what do you feel about this curiosity? You know, are they in on it since you are reaching out to this divineness in in in the cosmos or what have you. The Rishi's the renussance in the Vadic aspect spend time in quietude and try to still their mind, to tap into the divine intelligence and see what comes through. It's always, isn't it always those kind of
people that feel like they should have an answer. But at the end of the day, some of the best answers are probably found by the masters of those very powerful telescopes that are witnessing physical activity that's tangible and that in itself. You know, a theory is one thing, but a physical I'm sure there's stuff out there that the Pentagon says, if you photographed this, that goes to us and not too and that's part of what the laws are that
are being written within the Defense Department. I unfortunately have to say that our military and our government is backwards. We follow the doctrines of the Brookies Institute document, which is this document that was requisitioned in nineteen sixty that basically says, if we are contacted, we're not going to be able to deal with
it. And I think that when you get eight people like doctor av Low for Harvard, who is brilliant, who's looking at probes, who believes we are being observed on a regular basis, and is looking for evidence of probes, that's somebody who is opening the door, not trying to hide the fact that we're being observed by Some people believe that the observers are what we would consider anthropologists. Look, you know the human species. You must have heard
about that. But my whole thing, Robert, is that I'm frankly tired of this backward militaristic attitude of these off worlds coming here and coming more frequently to not only observe, but to the land and in your case, interact. And that's why I'm talking to you about this, because I have this feeling that on some level you were given this gift that a lot of us just would think we would like, but maybe it's not something we want to
to have because you were able to deal with it. And there's subtleties that are coming out in your work, in your writing, in your interactions with people that are planting the seed. So you're kind of an emissary in a way of planting the seed for future interactions with alien beans. What do you say to that? Well, there used to be jokes in the old days
that said, all right, what are you exact? There? Are you some kind of intergalactic Tony Robbins here well, are you the personal growth emissary you know that says that actually this is a spiritual experience and some kind of personal growth experience and everything. And I said, yeah, actually all of the above. I think we're just the souls that we are here developing in
a very harsh, almost devil like paradigm. It just seems that it's been one thing after the next of being at the hands of you know, people
that have brought us terrible wars and pandemics and things like that. But how we move through that is we rise up the daily commitment of you know, you make a commitment to yourself to grow spiritually, to think about and consider things, to have a very open mind that the population is evolving daily in ways we never dreamed possible, and as being open to the possibility every day for an experience like that, and it's we're kingship kind of like the extent.
If you think about it, we're actually the population that's here now today is actually what's left if you think about the entire incoming souls that have happened since recorded history. We're this group that is here that it is going. We're experiencing the aging process. We're experiencing a sense of time, going around the sun each day, an aging process, and an entry in an exit
level. While the others on the other side, including your parents, my parents, other lost souls, are not lost souls, but souls that have finished their incarnation. They're standing in the perpetual moment. They're standing in the existence of the absolute, which is where we reside most of the time, and then there's an interim time where we're given a time to grow in this paradigm. No matter how unusual and believing you know wells I know, it
is unusue here. You don't have to look far hard to see this is a very strange place. But at the same time we grow profoundly. It is by soul's agreement that we're here. It's not a happenstance. And each person, no matter what their circumstances are, is it is absolutely designed for them, even though it may not be very pleasant, and others seem to have gotten a better deal, more comforting area and family to live in.
It's by design. In the meantime, all the visitors that you've talked about, or in my presentation called the visitors, are are coming from you know, the ades aspect. They're coming from the serious a serious b probably how do we know that, Robert, are you kind of referring to people who have actually had enough interaction with the uh connected, the the ets that for
them to identify where they're coming from. I think at the end of the day, I couldn't say, perhaps with suret, but it seems like there's a sure a lot of authors that that study this aspect and have significant stories that that seemed to be like I've seen a few people give a presentation as We've been many lectures and expos I said, seen you for years we conduct in the desert or used to be the Bay Area UNFO Expo or or what
have you you know and conspiracy connor remember those you know so new living XP Whole Life expo. But you see people giving a presentation where I was captivated by the Some of these presentations seem to be almost more not not not necessarily an explanation uh uh that has been just gathered by research, but almost giving a treatise on the human experience as they see it. And I've seen people
go into a very deep trance where they give this dissertation. People are fascinated by people like Bashar and others that oh, yeah, channel material treatise and that's very subjective. Yeah, you know that that is very dangerous and subjective. However, it's what's It's one of the things we have to go on. And I tend to think that a lot of it is is accurate. Whether it's embellished or not, no one's to say. But but the Bible does say that, you know, it makes references. Most of the references
of us that come and go and come back again have been altered. But you find that actually in the Lost Books of job about the continuing I mean when they said that life is eternal, that meant it, and that doesn't mean you just come here then go to the other side and live eternally. You know, you're cycling, is what you are. And yeah, it's
quite a fascinating subject. So let's kind of I want to talk about your near death experience in Egypt, but before I do that, I want you to give me a sense of how this et interaction is going to play out. Say, in the next decade, do you think that there is going to be a moment where there is such a major sighting, say a shift shift is hovering over a major site or I mean, because this is going on right now, but I mean I'm talking more beyond simple observations. I'm
talking about some form of communications, because that's where it's undeniable. You know, our current government's pretty much doing the best they can to keep this under wraps. And it's always been my thought that at some point, you know, a race of beings that's a thousand, five thousand, half a million years in advance of us, it's going to say we've had enough. We're gonna just let them know what we're We're here, But what do you say
about the future next ten years? In terms of disclosure, I think it's less than ten years that the ten yere theory is is you do you believe it's within or on the other side of ten years? I think, And no one knows completely. You know, on our call on Wednesday night that very theory is discussed, and there's a number of people that are meeting that are discussing the fact they believe the theory that that there is already a direct voice that is coming from the other side, and that it has spoke to
people in various governments. Now that is the most fantastic thing. And I'd be remiss to say I know who these ones are, who these people are, and what and when the direct happening happened. But that is being that is being said that there is a direct contact so far, and that we are coming close, we're at an apex, you know, of going forward
or stepping from behind. And the whole idea of is there an intervention, should there be some kind of chain reaction here seems to be one of the top subjects of that disclosure, and it's we're living in a free will zone. So we don't know what Putin's going to do, Glad with Putin, we don't know what a person Airton Will is going to do, or Yahoo for our own government is going to do. It's an open it's an open
question. I mean, I would love to give you. I mean, all the interactions you have with the UFO community, Robert, is there somebody that is kind of like locked in saying yeah, they're about to release data. There is going to be a major unveiling because I mean, I hear, I got so tired of it after being a program director for so many years of they're coming, They're coming, They're coming. Decade after decade.
That's why I kind of threw it out the window and say, you know what I tell you, Land your craft and come out and say, hey, we're here. I don't I don't want to hear it. The Entry, it's got to look so benevolent. I believe the entry is a miraculous spiritual happening of sometime of some kind, because it has the entry of it
has to make us feel as though it is safe. The sad part is is for years and years and years we've been conditioned by motion pictures and movies which are so violent that only foretell a story of the extraterrestrials coming down that only want you on a dinner plate and a negative story and you know slaves you will become, and all this. I don't know it to be. It has to be a safe thing, and it may happen very subtly.
Actually, it may be allowing us to, like we do with various stories that come our way, allowing us years to get used to the idea and believe it with a lot of conjecture. And is we're seem to be in that period now and have been for years. As to do you believe that this is really happening, and the very question that you asked, you know about the moment that disclosure happens. Do you believe that that's going to happen, and that that's a long discussion at all these things? You know.
This is why I have a problem with asking theologians, religious types about their opinion, because when this disclosure happens, we as a as a humanity, as an earth based civilization, we change immediately. We change immediately. We're not the only ones on our planet. We're not the only ones in our cosmos. I mean, when you when you think about that, Robert, if you are the if you're thinking you're only ones and you only have to
deal with our problems and our planet, that's pretty limiting. If you're become aware that you're not the only ones in your cosmos, you're changed. And I think that's the big question is what is the what are the roles of humanity when we are contacted and it's disclosed that we're not the only beings in our planetary system. I think it is hugely profound, And I think that some part of me thinks that the military knows this and they're not They're not
sure how to react. So they're covering it up. Baby, they're covering it up. It's the greatest story ever told, and it's the greatest misunderstood, misunderstood story ever told. So many people feeding into this story. I know we've I wouldn't mention any names, but you know, because I tend to be the kind and more out of the way than get him to the
conjecture. But we have a number of authors that are out there that are basically jumping to the gun and saying, well, this is the way it's going to happen, and this is what my people are telling me, and we have direct contact and so, and it's sensationalism. And you and I know that a lot of those stories, when they say there's a date, there's a place, this is how it's going to play out, it never
does. And so the our members that are visiting here have control over how this is playing out, are probably looking the collective consciousness as a species, yeah, and perhaps deciding at some point where there's an entry point where it won't be misunderstood. Because an extraterrestrial introduction could be misunderstood as an advanced weapon from a foreign ads. That's the worst that's that's that's how our that's how our military thinks. Uh, you know, there's a weapon to subject us,
to annihilate us, to imprison us. You know, this is such bullshit I'm really tired of. It's so funny because I years ago when I started doing podcasting now, I wanted to do a podcast called Talk to an
Alien. And I was naively thinking that if I broadcast, asked the idea and let people know that if you're out there, because there's a lot of theory that there's a white race of aliens and there's other races here on the planet that looked just like us, if they were to step forward, you know, flandestinely not hidden, you know, and say yeah, I'd love to interview with you, I was like, Ah, what a great podcast that would be. That would be kind of like first Disclosure. Now.
I almost stepped into it by inviting people who channel like Bashar you mentioned earlier, who channels et and et race. But channeling is so is a challenge for me because when the information is coming through a human being, there's the possibilities of ego being involved in other the person's consciousness being part of that, and so I kind of wanted to stay clear of it. But that's where I'm at, Robert. I'm I'm like, come on down, folks.
I think it's healthy. I think it's healthy. You know, be skeptical. Yeah. Hey, as we conclude, I want you to talk about an event that happened to you in nineteen ninety seven. You were in Egypt and I don't know if you were in the Great Pyramid or you were in a building or a temple, and you had a near death experience. Talk about that, yeah, real quickly. So I was on I was one of the unlucky souls that were there was fifty of us on a boat in
Luxor. Oh, you're on the Nile. Wonderful. I was actually on the Nile in nineteen ninety seven, and Tricia mccannon actually was going to be on that trip, but she got ill and didn't make the trip. And something the guy looked at me like, well, you'll be one of the speakers on it. And that was terrible because I didn't know anything about Egypt. I was writing the first book and going to be looking at what this was about. But anyway, we got forty out of forty seven out of
fifty I got violently ill. Oh, food poisoning. And then the trip was just starting. We were only in our third day of a fourteen day trip. And I mean, I don't think I have ever in my lifetime gotten that sick. I didn't know people could get that sick. Was it
food from the now cruise ship or was it the hotel food? Well, it would be lovely if it was a cruise ship, but it was a small boat that would cherry probably about sixty five seventy people, and there were fiftieth on it on it, so forty seven out of us got violently ill. And then we went through the trip and everything that is bad that can happen on a wonderful Egypt trip like this happened. We were all throwing up
and getting violently ill. We got stuck in the desert for about two days, and that turned everybody yelling that they wanted their money back and what was this? And everybody was at a different place as far as were they able to recover and a degree of sickness, and oddly enough, I was not recovering. And we got all the way to the end of the trip, and I remember being at the balcony in Giza, and I looked at the
pyramid, and this is the last day. The following day we were to get on an airplane on a egypt Bear to London that would take us to New York. And I remember looking at this the pyramid and thinking, God, I traveled nine thousand miles and I felt five hundred yards short. I
was too sick to go into the pyramid on the last day. Well, suffice to say, I did make my way up into what they call the King's chamber, took photos, came back, and then a doctor finally got to us, finally, and he came to my room and I was alone. I had a roommate the whole trip, but he was out, and the doctor told me I was to turn myself into a hospital, that I was not well enough to get on the plane. I was ripped with fear because I can't get on the plane and I'm not gonna be stuck in Egypt
when everybody else leaves. I had this terrified feeling of, you know, I'll get stuck in the hospital and then I won't be able to get out of the country. And so he said, well, then I'm going to give you this that'll help you, and believe it or not, I took an injection. It gave me both. That immediately gave me an injection of something. To this day, I don't know now that's unheard of now, but I accepted it at the time. He says, this will help you,
and I took an injection. That night, I came completely out of my body and suddenly I was just sort of I remember realizing I was sort of a part article point out in space looking at the Earth, and my thoughts were the same. I was me, but it was only just a personality trying to find an anchor for itself. And I wasn't unpleasant. It was pretty pleasant. As a matter of fact, my pain was finally gone.
Long story short, I arrived there on site at some kind of stream, and I noticed my feet were in the stream and I was physical again. And I looked up and there was a man, a man waiting for me, and he held up two things that came off of his hands and they almost looked. I know, it sounds so funny. It looked like tablets of some kind. You know, people are thinking it was Moses. No, it probably wasn't. Most's but better story and the tablets. When
these letters came out. These letters came out, they turned the fire and they spoke to me, and it showed me like a life record. And I looked at these and I saw good news. The first good news was I could I could live with myself, and that was sort of a moment. I remember thinking, Oh my gosh, now that that's that is the apex. That's the moment, whether you can live with yourself or not.
This is that moment. And there was good news. And then there was the news of the things I needed to work on, and that was so great. Long story short, I went to this area to live in and everyone there that I saw, I knew were souls that had passed away. And I asked where I was, and I was told that I was just here, that I wouldn't understand exactly where I was, and supprised because we're
getting the end of your show to and to speed us up. It's like a waystation of some kind that souls don't necessarily just go all the way to their waiting destination. Some come to a midwak a point of some kind, and there are there's an interim where they are there to learn something and then they maybe go on to their final destination, or actually they will be set back. And I remember being there and it was very pleasant, and I saw many people just like us. I knew they had all passed away.
I didn't know them as material anymore. I said, oh, I remembered this, even in fact, there was a memory that I understand this completely now. I was surprised by my death. I was surprised that it happened at that point in my mind. And then I came back into my body and I slammed into my body as almost like a train hit you. And then suddenly I was in extraordinary pain. I was to be blunted coming out of both ends, and I still was great, kind of a great creak.
I was very sick, and I was sobbing in control because my life had been given back, and it was decided that I should continue. And I was thrilled, beyond emotion that I was going to go home that day, but also overwhelmed by what I had seen. And I remember getting out of bed, shaking my roommate awake time to get up that I had seen it. The it that thing that you're waiting to go to, the thing
that you go to when you're done in your life. Is that I saw it, and I understood now that some of it came back with me. I understood now what that sort of process was to a degree, and the gift of life was given back. And as I shook him, he rolled over to see what is this crazy man? What is what's happening here? I said, I was solving uncontrollably, And I said, Colin, Colin, I saw it. I saw the whole thing, and and and and they gave me another chance. I'm going to get to live. I'm going
to live. You must have sounded delirious, And that sounds delirious, right. And he looks up at me with one eye open, and just it was like the fantastic meets the mundane. And he looks something one I remember when I kind of loo and he just goes, that's great and just rolls so very good. He's probably heard it before. I have been enough set free and uh and I live to tell it and be on your show today.
But do you think that that injection did something to trip this near death experience or do you think just the combination of being so ill with food poisoning was the reason it could have been both. I don't know how many people you meet that said I was in a foreign country and a guy put an injection. I mean, if you're desperate enough and you're in enough pain. And this guy looked pretty legitimate, and and and he says, you need this very badly. And I thought, dude, but I'm gonna trust that
you're not here to kill me. I'm not that interesting. I thought it might be like a some fluids or something. Because you're, you know, sick, you're vomiting all over the place. You can get dehydrated, Yeah, plasma, some kind of liquid or something, an IV. I should have gone to the hospital. That's probably all they were going to do, was put in you know, the IV bag with yeah saline. Yeah, that's probably all that was going to happen. But I was too sureful.
Was that the only time you were you've been to Egypt since, haven't you? Or no? No? That was the that was Oh, Robert, what a terrible Well I should go with you. You're the one leading these trips that you just did a truck, right, Yeah, we do one every year. We're not we're skipping twenty twenty five, but we're going. Well, we'll probably pick it up again in twenty twenty six. We go I found a fabulous operator who knows all the sites and stuff. Yeah yeah,
let me know. Happy to happy to have you come along. So, Robert Barrala, what a pleasure. Give people a sense of how they can get a hold of you. What's your website? I'm at the Robert Parella dot com. It's spelled p e r a la comes from Finland. Actually, okay dot com. If you like to order the book, the easiest and fastest way to do it, but it's either on the website, but send me an email and I generally send it out before they send in a payment, whether it's a check or PayPal, I send it out.
You know, I trust you. I try to get the books out quickly. I don't sell a lot of books like I used to, and those that get them are very happy that they got it because they're older books. And I'm an old guy that's been in this business that was lucky. You have to come on the Cliff Dunning Destiny Show today, so I'm more than great. Do you want to give them your personal email or do you have a professional email that they can or should they just go to the website and
get it there. You can get it there. Okay, it's right there. Okay, cool? And what are you up to give us the latest? You're going to be speaking anywhere in the future. I know you used to do a lot of MC but you kind of took a little downstep for
this year. But what's your future looking like? Yeah? Yeah, Well I have the fall in January, so I'm still recovering so that it's only one show I did, but I am doing a show and that is coming up in Pedaluma on It's a one day show in Pedaluma, California, on October twelfth. It's an all day Saturday event and it's a smaller version of UFO Con and it's there at the Pedaluma Community Center. Advertising by that I think is available at ufocon dot com. Ufo Con twenty twenty four dot com.
I believe is Lorraine putting that one together. Loreen Fenton produces it for sixty five, smaller show with about six speakers, and we'd like to have you there, you know, come on up and have some fun and promote your podcast and good, good, excellent. Hey, Robert, I really appreciate you coming on the show, and it was great speaking with you. It's funny because I remember you writing the Divine Blueprint and promoting it, but I kind of got I think you would let me see bits and pieces of
it. It was good to hear more of the full story and get a sense of it. So you are truly you can say that you are an experiencer. You're a contact d in the in the most full sense of the word. Yeah, thanks so much for having me on your show. It's a wonderful service that you do for others to enlighten people, inspire people, and give them another consideration. Hey, well, great to have you man.
Thanks again. I have the photograph that Robert sent me of this alien that he says looks just like the three spacemen he interacts with, and it looks like the guy's wearing a cellophane suit of some kind. Very strange. I'll post it on the Facebook page both international and group so you can take a look at it with some notes that he wrote from the book. And
it's the same kind of deal. It's like, we don't know if these are beans that are not from the same have the same atmosphere, so they got to wear a suit or these are sub zero spacesuits that protect their body. We have no clue, obviously Robert didn't get any information about that, but kind of fun to see what they're wearing when they come visit us here
on planet Earth. So that book, by the way, The Divine Architect, and also the other book, the first book, The Divine Blueprint, is available on Amazon, or you can go to Robert Parrella dot com and see what he's got on there. So his books are readily available wherever you get your book. So and I get my books on Amazon unless I get
I'm sent by the publisher directly. So something to think about. Later this week, we're going to be speaking with another author on the UAP phenomenon that's going to be part of Earth Ancients, And this is a new author who has taken a look at it and taken a cross section and is a spokesperson kind of a thought leader on where the future is heading when it comes to UAP identification. I have been trying unsuccessfully to get Marion Rudnick to come back
on the show. Remember he was the former NASA astronomer who wrote the book Intersect, which has a lot to do with current sightings and what appears to be the willingness of the craft occupants who are flying these ships to to slow down remove energy fields so people can take better photographs. If you don't have a copy of Intersect, it's called Intersect. A former NASA astronomer breaks his
silence about UFOs. You should get a copy of it, because in the back of this book are phenomenal images of ships and different size UAPs that are so clear and not necessarily so clear, but you can see the insignias, which is really weird. It's like they all have, you know, each plant has different insignias, and get a sense of what's going on with him,
and get a sense of what's happening. His phenomenon had a couple of happened a couple of years ago, so he's not currently you know, twenty twenty four material, but this is the kind of material we need to be able to think about what's happening in this phenomenon. So yeah, Marion Rudnick is a great has a good book to consider. So so we'll continue to hope and wait for the disclosure, and at some point, you know, there'll be a breakthrough. I think it's coming. I don't want to think
too much about it. But as Robert says, he thinks it's going to be I mean, what did he say. He said, it's going to happen before the next decade, So you know, we'll see you how stonent it shows up. That's what I'm saying. Hey, if you like Earth Ancients Destiny and Earth Ancients Special Edition the archive, please consider becoming a subscriber. For as little as five dollars a month, you can support the work
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