Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey there, how are you welcome to Destiny. Come on in, have a seat. We're talking about plants and foliage this week. And about forty years ago a book came out called Secret Life of Playing and it was written by one of my favorite authors, a guy named Peter Tompkin, and his co writer a guy named Christopher Bird. I actually knew Christopher Bird. He was at a
number of whole life experts in San Francisco in late nineteen nineties. But between them, they were focused, and they wrote a great deal of scientific evidence that plants, trees, foliage in general was sincient. They had that plants had consciousness and could feel pain, and they were aware of their environment and most notably their human counterpart. And a lot of people were up in arms when this was published, and in fact, there were a number of scientists
that tried to disprove it. Of course, now we know that plants do feel pain, are aware of our presence, and this is all evidence based scientific testing that's proving all this. But what makes this topic so fascinating is that and we'll hear it from this here from my guestity on more details, it really looks like these are plant allies, is what I'm going to call,
or plant spirits are here to help us. And it's funny because I talk about going out for a walk in nature once or twice a week, sometimes more if I can whether permitting, and there is a real healing and reconnecting of the earth with living us, the living beings on the earth. And when you get out and you put your turn your phone off, you put your leave your phone in the car, whatever, and you are uninterrupted in your walk, hike, whatever you're doing in nature. It actually is
a great health benefit. It's been shown to reduce stress, quiet the mind, help with anxiety depression. There's a huge list of benefits of simple hiking or walking in nature and how nature responds to you entering its domain. Now, I live in an area that is noted for its redwoods, and they're not close to me right now, I have to cross the bridge. The
closest redwoods are in Marin County, which is Mill Valley. And then you go further north about at least fifty miles, and then you begin to see what's remaining of the Sequoia redwood Sequoia redwoods are noted for being the oldest and the biggest. I mean, we're talking three hundred plus feet tall, is wide as a house. They're huge, and that was the wood that was
used to build San Francis going much of the Bay Area. But when you are around these trees, they exude a certain energy that is actually palatable. And I have been in situations where I have been visiting my relatives, my son and other relatives in northern California in areas that are surrounded by these trees and purposefully would spend at least thirty minutes if not longer, in walking among them to get relief from stressed, to just kind of to dial it down.
And I can say unequivocally that you since you feel a shift when you are with these trees. They have shown that these redwood trees and old other old grove forests actually exude spores and other micro fungi that that doesn't sound good, but that's what they are. That can that are in the atmosphere that you take in, and they actually are forms of healing remedies. And we're
just beginning to figure this out. And this is why the benefits of nature are huge, and we need to actually get back into the swing or the practice of walking among nature. Now, my guest today is going to talk about plants and plant spirits, and this is something that we haven't talked about. And it's funny because if you find that book, and by the way, I really recommend if you haven't read Secret the Secret Life of Plants, get the movie. You can get it for free on YouTube and watch it.
It's a couple of hours, but it describes our place among our allies, our plant and tree allies. And once you read it, you become more sensitive to the plants that you grow in your yard, the food crops, the plants you have indoors, and the and the plants and trees and bushes that might be in your home, around your yard or nearby, and they all play a part in creating this environment of healing, of nurturing,
and most importantly of balance. And I don't say that lightly. When I come back from my hike, I'm you know, tired obviously from the hike, the strain of the hike, the exercise, but I find that my mind has been cleared and if I've been having an issue in creativity, like my writing. I'm trying to write a couple of books right now, trying to finish them. I should say I get more insight. One of the that I learned years ago is that if you have a critical problem, be
at health, family, relationships, work, whatever. If you have a question in your mind and leave it there and you go for a hike or physical activity in nature and you come back, it's gonna you're gonna find yourself having answers to that or more more likely solutions to an issue. And as crazy as that is, you can actually do a search for nature solutions or
or how nature can answer questions. It's funny because I laughed, because it's I've actually had some profound answers to questions on specifics on ancient civilizations, which is kind of funny. And then you verify them, of course. So I want to play a short audio from a video from a scientist this is about ten years ago, who used some technology, hooked them up the plants, and you'll actually hear the plan seeing certain sounds in relation to the feed
they're getting the impetus their input. You can hear them responding to the input and it sounds like music, but listen to what the scientist has to say. This is a very short few minutes. I think it's two and a half minutes. Plants communicating. You were listening to the sound of plants communicating.
Back in the seventies, there was a lot of research about plant consciousness and some of this was Some of this was had to do with the fact that plants reacted to signals that were coming from other plants, and these could be detected very much like the sensors we have here. In fact, Clive Baxter was a man who had electro that was a lie detector equipment wired plants up. Found that one plant that wasn't wired up would react to harm that
the plant that was hooked up, and vice versas. So you had this plant symbiosis of signals, something like a perhaps it's some field phenomena happening between plants. He even went so far as to hook up shrimp that would we're on a timer and at a certain point the shrimp would fall into scalding water and the scalding one they would die immediately in the plant on the electron cephalogram or go we you know, it's just a signal would go crazy. It'd
be screaming, essentially feeling the demise of the shrimp. I'm thinking that it's possible that by running these signals through audio processors sophisticated ones, that we're revealing more of what's in the signal, not just adding something to a simple pitch shift, because of the fact that there's a complex by bology involved, that
we're opening that signal up. The more it opens up, the more it seems the plants want to do. The more range you give them of expression, the more they seem to work with that range and produce an incredible, uh you know, deeper effects. Just like there, all of a sudden, I'm talking about it, and the next thing we know that things boosting itself right up, you know. So there's this funny reciprocosity between the plant
and the operator and whatever else is going on in the room. You put on some music, all of a sudden, they seem to be pegging themselves to the music. Is that a magnetic phenomena or is that a biological phenomena? I can't say, you know, but it's wild to see it. These things are also interacting with other invisible realms. I mean, how do I know that there are there isn't you know a gnome living in that tree that's taking advantage of this to express itself. I say that was really interesting.
I'll post that video up for you to take a look. If there's a couple of others. If you do plant communication scientific plant communication on YouTube, you might be surprised to see that there's a bunch of different practices or experiments where plants were hooked up and there was something that's happening around them and how they responded either angry voices, happy voices, singing, screaming, and you know, you get a sense of how plants react to humans in their
environment. So fascinating study and it's something to consider. It's something really to be conscious of as you interact with plants, and as you'll hear today in this fun interview, they are our spirit helpers, they are our physical helpers, and they are important in our life. So today's program is communicating with plants, heart based practices for connecting with plant spirits. And my guest is author Gin Fry. Hey, I love plants. I have a few endored
plants. I'm kind of a nature boy in some way. Living here in northern California, and we're always looking for new books, books that are communicating working with nature because so much of our lives here in the Western culture, and I'm speaking of those of us in the United States are kind of out of touch with nature. And when you're out of touch, you let in a lot of problems, like psychosis, like mental health issues, physical issues. If I don't get a hike in once a week, I am in
a big, big trouble. And we came across a new book called Communicating with Plants. Heart Based Practices for Connecting with Plant Spirits, is by an author named gin Fry, and I had to have her on the program because the book reminds me of a very old book came out about twenty maybe almost thirty years ago called Secret Life of Plants with Christopher Bird and Peter Tompkins. They basically are proponing thatts have some form of sentience or consciousness, and they
were able to show somewhat proof of this in their writing. I think the book we're talking about today does have some of those elements, and that's why we have Jen on the program. Gen Welcome to Destiny. Great to see you. How you doing, Thanks Cliff, Thanks for having me. And I hate to start this off by like depressing you here, but that book actually came out fifty years ago. Oh my god, Oh my god, you're like Cliff, it's my reference book. I have it right up here.
It's got dog eared corners and okay, wow, oh that shows you how old I am, we're how fast time flies? Right, Yeah, that's true. Hey, let's talk about you. What got you involved in I mean, what was the path that you have been taking to kind of connect you with plants to the point where you write this book. Yeah, so I would say, I mean, first of all, we'll take you
on that whole journey because it's a long, circuitous, lifelong journey. But you know, I know that book that The Secret Life of Plants so well because I inherited it from my grandfather. So I'm like, oh my god. Okay, my maternal grandfather bought it when it first came out, So he and my paternal grandfather are really the two people that started me on this
path that just taught me about nature and particularly plants. And for my paternal grandfather was really about grow your own food, and the best medicine is your food and it comes from your backyard, like he They lived in the suburbs in Leicester County, had like less than half an acre of land, but grew most of their own food, including nuts and fruits, and like wow, going to their house was just wonderful that I could climb trees and eat
apricots. And then my maternal grandfather, he was an organic gardener from like way back. And where did they live? They well, so my maternal grand father was a Methodist minister, that was his actual profession, so also in Pennsylvania, but he looked around, you know, So they lived in the country, and then they lived closer to Philadelphia, so all around.
But they always had the biggest question whenever they moved. For my grandfather, my grandmother took care of the entire household of moving my grandfather's like how are we going to move the greenhouse? And how are we going to move the compost pile? And those were the biggest Wow. So they actually took the plants in with them. Oh yeah, yeah, that must have been a
chore. Oh. I was fortunately young enough whenever they moved that I missed all of that, but I do remember, like my dad a punk role and you know, them all complaining like, oh no, here we go again. Yeah. But but what my maternal grandfather taught me was because he always played music in his greenhouse for the plants, and so he taught me that we had to ask permission when we're harvesting, and we would sing, particularly to the strawberries when we were harvesting, we'd always sing, oh my
god. Yeah. So it's just just sweet thing like I feel like now. So my grandfather, my maternal grandfather, had dementia, and it was a very slow progression, like it started in his forties. So that's why he gave me all of his plant books while he was still with like somewhat conscious. He knew the dementia was getting pretty severe. And unfortunately I didn't read that book until he was too far gone, so I never got to talk to him. But I suspect that he was actually communicating with plants but
didn't have anybody to talk to about it. And so now, you know, like in my life, as I'm going through it, I'm like starting to unravel, like, oh, I think this is what he was talking about. Oh I think. So that's really the start came from my grandparents. I love that a young age yeah, I love that you're just like
immersed in this plant life and this nature. Did he or any of your relatives or in your research, did you get a sense of how our ancestors were communicating with plant We know that the indigenous people, and we've had many Native Americans on the program that connect with the forests and so forth and so on through ceremony and ritual, But did you come across any sense of early Americans or anyone working with plants where you are communicating with them? So not
from my own ancestors. Again, like I'm only thinking that my grandfather had those experiences, he never voiced them. And you know this was back in the seventies and eighties, and again he's a Methodist minister, so so you know, when The Secret Life of Plants came out, that was like such a shocking book, right, it was just like what plants are intelligence? It's like radically right radical, and it actually marked like a whole lot of
backlash. There was like all these scientists that were set out to prove disprove it, and now of course we have the opposite. There's this whole field of plant intelligence that all these people are trying to show like, actually they
are. So I don't have any definitive proved from my own ancestors, like you said, with indigenous peoples, and we all like for some of us, we have to go really far back, but we all have ancestors who are indigenous to a place and who and by indigenous, I mean they lived really closely connected with nature, And so yeah, I think it doesn't take It's not a big stretch to recognize that we survived because our ancestors understood and
communicated with not just plants, but all of nature. Is to like, you know, this food's edible, Like the idea that they did trial and error. I'm just like, really, you really think that's how we figure this out, not that it never happened, but come on, like yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a sense thing. And you use the term ally in your book quite a bit plant allies. You know, if you are communing, as you call it, and working with these plant entities,
it's going to come across in some form of of communication. And I love how you use the word amnesia or amnesiac pretty much to the possibilities of working with plants. Talk a little bit about this amniesia, how it has grown and how we had to clear that. Oh sure, I'm like, oh, you can do it in a few minutes. Come on, let's do it, because like, dude, that's the whole book. You just be and more and more, that's our whole process of earlier I think.
But but first, I just want to back up a little bit. So going back to the communicating with plants part, you know from my own self. So while even though I told you about my grandparents and that experience, I knew from such a young age that people communicated with plants, but I didn't think that I was able to communicate with plants. So my own experience was that I was receiving messages from them, and it took me a long time to recognize that they were coming from the plants. And this is thing
I see again and again in my students, my clients. You're just people I meet in life that we're all able to receive these messages, but often we just don't have a framework or at context or even an understanding. I'm going to stop you real quickly. Give us an example of receiving these subtle messages and being like totally out of it, and perhaps they're like, oh, that's just me talking to myself. Is it like a voice that you're
hearing. Is it something on a level where there's communicating that is understandable, or is it more subtle. I think all of the above. So, you know, example from my own life, which is how I finally discovered that, oh I'm getting them from the plants, and I talk about this in the book. Is that you know I had was there was a very challenging time where we took in my nephew who's six foot three. I also had two young boys at home and we are all living in a tiny house
of six hundred and seventy five square feet. Oh boy, exactly. Fortunately we were on a farm, so we had you know, lots of land outside. But I was homeschooling my kids at the time. I also was helping my husband and his business, so there really wasn't a moment of the day for me. And there was all this drama that was coming up with like normal, right, bringing in somebody, new children, all of that, right, there's always drama, but it was a really dramatic time period.
And so the only time I had to myself was early morning when my kids were still sleeping and so I'd get up and I'd go pick berries, and I like just was way down from the moment I woke up. I like all these issues going on in my life. But as I'm picking the berries, I start finding solutions to the different issues. And it took me quite a time before I realized, like, oh, those solutions are coming from the plants. So how it looks like, I think it varies to
different people. For me, sometimes I see images. Sometimes I hear like an internal voice, similar to like hearing your mother's voice in your head, but it's different than my own. It's different than like words that I would
use, or different tone or different syntex. And for others, they have feelings or there's just like that, Aha, I have this like great idea, and you know, like artists, scientists have always talked about those moments and true, I feel like the ones who are really in integrity with their truth will tell you that that comes from source. You know, it comes
from some divine being. Muse, yeah you could be your yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah So that's well, I think that's you know, So that's what I would say as far as how we were receiving these messages. And I do think, like from you know, from my work, the reason why we call it heart based is because it's easier for us to receive them if we're in our heart center and we're more receptive. But we
can receive them in other ways and we just might not know it. Okay, so I want you to and this is he could have to dig in a little bit maybe, But this symbiotic relationship of plants and humans, do you think this is what it was meant to be? In other words, they're here, we're here. They've been here since the beginning of time, probably before humans, and here we are showing up and it's like it's like they were designed to be part of a support system. Is that something that
makes sense? Yeah? I think it does. And I think the other thing though, is that it's not just that they're supposed to be a support system. That's how it's set up right now, But we're really supposed to be in close partnership, you know, like we can see it with plants and other animals, Like plants and animals have always evolved together. Usually the plants evolved before the animal counterpart, but the animals moving things around helped the
plants to move around and to grow. And so I think the ideal which I'm hoping we're going to head towards that is that you know, yes, plants are support system, but we also become their support system and together we grow. Just like in any healthy relationship when you're both really like in your fullness, you help one another to grow, grow and evolve even more.
Yeah, I like that. Would you say that they have a divine wisdom that is greater than humans or would you say that they are on the same scale and just there to kind of push us along in a positive manner. So one of the biggest lessons I've learned from nature is that they don't use hierarchy, So I wouldn't say it's a greater intelligence, it's a different intelligence. The difference between plants intelligence and human intelligence is plants remember their intelligence.
So now we're circling back to that amnesiac question, you know, like, so plants know who they are, they know like what their roles are,
they know that they are part of everything. But as humans, we've forgotten that and most of us know that like, well, we might not recognize it, but we're often walking around like I have no idea what I'm doing with my life working there for I hate this job, but I've got to live there right exactly, So so you know, we can recognize it on that level, But on the greater scheme is that as as humans, like
when we come into this world, we just forget it all. We forget why we're here, we forget that we agree to learn certain lessons, we forget that we are actually love, we forget that we're connected to all beings and that it's together that we thrive. So we just forget all of that, and the plants remember it. So that's one of the big differences. And they're helping us, you know. That's why I think it's so important that we do learn how to communicate with them, because they help us to
remember all of our own truth and help us to override that amnesia. I think it's a healthy way to live, to be close to nature and to be communicating, even though you may not consciously be aware of what you're doing. I think when you get out of nature, it kind of rubs off when you say, oh totally, I mean there's again, you know, there's all these scientific studies right of just walking in a forest just feel so
much better. And then there's the whole field of biophelia that it just says that it is absolutely required for humans to thrive to survive, that we be living in close proximity with nature. And I just have to say, even just say that just makes me like it's almost like nails on the chalkboard, because you know, we are nature, like we have all this bacteria and
as we're a whole universe of beings. Right, Yeah, I'd like to think that we can be separate is a little in its self insanity, but at the same time, we recognize the difference from living in a human built environment and an environment that incorporates our more than human kin, and yeah, it's definitely to our well being. And for myself, I don't do well, not like I know, when I'm starting to like be more reactive or getting stressed, it's just like, oh, yeah, I haven't been spending
time outside. I need to go. You probably wouldn't do well in the big city, an apartment two hundred feet in the air or whatever, thirty second floor above everything, you know. I actually lived in Madrid for a few months and it was one of the most challenging times. I love Madrid. I love cities, I love the art, I love the food, the people. It's all amazing. But oh my gosh, no, m you reference your your grandfather is kind of a mentor by not necessarily teaching you
in a school way. It's more of a just by learning and so forth. He sounds like he had a green thumb, which is somebody who can plan and nurture and work with the plants quite a bit. Do you think people with green thumbs have an advantage over the rest of us simply because they may not be communicating knowledge with knowledge, but they're still connecting with the plant
world. Yeah, that's a challenging question because so in my world, in my work, so you know, teaching people how to communicate with plants, and also I have a whole apprenticeship program which is teaching people how to work with plant spirits for healing. It's actually more challenging for people who have I guess green thumbs too, but also like have a prior herbal knowledge, right, because we can get locked in and so even with people like our gardening
programs, a lot of it's not really actually in alignment with nature. It's more it still continues that human domination. So there is an advantage of course, like you pointed out that they're in nature, but sometimes we can still get caught up in that the war on plants, like we got we got to clear out all these weeds or there's these bugs infesting and we got to get rid of them. And we need to remember that, like everybody has a right to thrive and live, and let's find out why this stuff is
happening and let's you know, work together. I love that. Describe your introduction to maulberry. I think this was an interesting simply because this plant seems to have a lot of great properties for a realization. Yeah. So, I mean, so my first introduction with maulburry again is with my grandparents, my paternal my maternal grandparents. Sorry, they had a big maulberry tree when they lived in Wallingford, and so I would climb this malberry tree and I
just would eat. I mean, I would just be covered in purple juice, my finger stained purple, you know, and I would I'd try my best to harvest baskets and they would let me set them out to sell. And all my grandmother would tell me later, not at that time, but as an adult she told me, you know, people just bought those because to you know, because they felt bad for you. I wish my mom when she read that book read it in the book, She's like, did she really say that? I'm like, oh, mo, and Mom,
you know my caller Mimi is my grandmother. She's still alive. I'm like, you know, that's totally something she would say. But uh, but I you know, later on, for my own children again on our farm, that was maulberry was the berries that I was taking in the morning. And for my kids, I saw the same thing with them. They would be covered, their friends would come over and they'd be covered. Even kids that didn't grow up in the wild area, they just were so fascinated that
they could eat a wild plant. And so maulberry is the plant that really got me, really helped me during that really challenging time that I mentioned earlier, and helped to give me solutions to different problems. Talk about this plant. Seeing to you, you had to look at your relationship a little closer. And because leaving your husband. I don't know if this happened or not.
You didn't get into the details, but that is a huge lifestyle change and you have to be very very tuned in and aware of this being a positive or a good suggestion. Yeah. Yeah, so it was actually it wasn't actually Maulberry that that encouraged me to leave my Yes, I did leave my ex husband. It was Mugwort. Yes, no, it's fine. But I'll just say because Maulberry does lead in there. So one of the
lessons I got from Malberry in that was like really encouraged me. So we would play this game and Maulberry would This was after I realized I could I could listen talk with Maulberry. Maulberry would say like, so did you pick all the berries? And I'd say yes, like I looked all over. You know, of course I never picked the high ones, but I'm to look over. I picked all the berries and they'd be like, okay, now moved this way, and so I'd move that way and there's all these
other berries. And so Maulberry really taught me how to that the lesson I think we all need to learn that we're limited by our perspectives and so we have to look from different perspective to see a whole picture. So that was, you know, the big lesson from Maubury. But for sure. With Mugwort, mugg Wart was just helping me. Mug Wort similar to you know,
looking at it from a different perspective. Mugwort actually took me up to a different dimension and really showed me that from where where we sit here, we see a lot of conflict and we see we see the we like to do, the whole black and white thing. You know, it's like you're for this, you're against this, you're and we live in a world with binaries, that's the term. And when she took me up to this other place, I could see that all the binaries are all part of the same
point. You know, it's all the same, it's just how you approach it. And so really having that helped me to not that I don't need to continue to learn this lesson, but it did help me to like not feel so antagonistic, you know, like, Okay, there's more than one story here, and so let's try and try and see the bigger picture. Yeah, I love how you describe, and I mean I'm ignorant to a
lot of the uses of these plants. Is the fact that mug works great for dreams, and I wonder to make such an obviously you're you're not happy in a relationship to the point where you want to dissolve it. It's a big deal, you know, because you're divorcing, you have kids or whatever. I don't know if you had kids at the time you were divorcing, but it's a it's a lifestyle change. And here you are, mug Works
like, I think you better look at this a little closer. You're not happy, and I mean, would you say that the planets were perceiving your your despair and saying I mean, are you that sensitive to know? Hey, mug work Bush, I don't know if you have names for hm or not. I don't have names for my trees or bushes, but a billy or whatever your name is. Uh, you're not happy about You're telling me I'm not happy? What's going on? What I mean, how are you
perceiving that? I mean, is that weird or you're just so tuned in it doesn't matter. So it wasn't so much of mug Wart saying, hey, you're not happy. It was more that I would have these different experiences with mug Wart and so what was preceding this is that I was having all of these deep relationships with plants and recognizing that there is so much more to plants into our world than than the superficial life that we live. And my
ex husband didn't believe me, so he didn't believe any of them. So he was okay with me having the experiences, but then in once he came home, then we had to switch back into what I would call the very SMA. Yeah. So I was living a life, a split life, and and I was able to do it for a really long time, but he wasn't tuned in at all. Then he didn't get anything, no, and he was very numb. Yeah. Yeah, and he's you know, he works in the world of finance. So so when I say superficial life,
I really do mean superficial life. Like I know exactly what you're talking about. So so it just so it was just really challenging for me. And as you said, like, so, yes, I did have kids, I had a farm that like was my heart place. You know, there was all this that I knew was going to have to shift, and so it was really challenging. And but mug work just made it very clear
that I cannot continue to live the separate life. I need to really live my truth and live in my fullness, and and that can't continue in the situation that it is. So that's what Yeah, Okay, so you're laying out blocks of consciousness in terms of how this is disrupting your natural flow. I mean, I don't want you to get into the whole thing because it's a long drawn out kind of a situation. You just don't leave somebody in
the you know, unless it's really, of course abusive. But would you say that you were given some information on how to proceed with the relationship through not necessarily at that moment, but throughout, for sure, throughout my separation, throughout my divorce. The plants were supporting me. It was so it was, it was wonderful. That's why. That's why for me, I'm so passionate about this work because it's like we all have that support available to
us, so we just we cut ourselves off from it. And so many of us, you know, feel so alone in this world and we just feel like nobody gets us, and and we don't have a lot of resources around us. But yet it's all around us and we don't have to It doesn't cost like millions of dollars, you know, it's available. It's freely available to us. You don't need to go to shaman school to right. Right, it's not anything I mean, you know, this is how we
are meant to live. This is actually what we're supposed to do, is be in direct communication with all of nature, not just plants. But I start with plants because I find them to be easier for most people. So yeah, so the plants supported me throughout all of it. So sometimes that would look as an adding extra protection or helping me to feel stronger, or like helping to take my grief and digest it, or to show me areas where I needed to stretch myself or I needed to let go of things.
You're it's amazing how you're describing this. This is probably a matter of fact for you. But I'm looking at you and going she's getting therapy. Oh so getting therapy as she's going through this is so amazing to hear that I was. And I also was seeing a human therapist at the same time.
But but my human therapist would often say to be like, why are you here because she would give me like some insight, and then I'd be like, Okay, I'm going to go and I'd go off with my plant ends and we do the work and it would get cleared up and then it come back. It's like, you don't need meet, but I did. You know, I did need some human eyes on the on the issue as well, to verify that you were having you were going through and clearing out the
trauma and trying to heal, because that's right, that's help identify. It's really to help you identify what's like, what's going on here. So because once we have it identified, then the plants are really able to just step in and take care of That is so amazing. Let's do suggestion. Let's do an exercise. There's a second I think it's the first or second chapter at the end, it's called first meeting. Can we do something so our listeners get a sense of how we first meet with a plant and how we
develop some form of communication. Sure. So, so I'm actually going to do two exercises here because the first one I think is necessary first. And so the first exercise is about getting into your heart coherence. So, like I said, you know, we say it's heart based practices because we want to start with our hearts. Because when we're in our heart intelligence, heart coherence, heart center, however you refer to it. We're more receptive or
more creative, or more imaginative. We can see a broader picture. We are not reactionary or less reactionary. You know, we're like the cortisol levels drop, we're calmer. So so we always whenever we engage with plants as much as possible, we want to come from this place so that we can receive more information, more easily, and also more accurate information. It helps
to override a lot of our programs that can filter things out. So the first step I say is to we'll close your eyes, you know, and just say what you're grateful for, and and sometimes that can be challenging, particularly we're really stressed out. So you know, we can always start with the sky above. Of course, we're grateful for the plants and that beautiful breath of life. We're grateful for our you have children, your children, or for love, or for your chocolate maybe, or you know, your
favorite food or bodies that we can move in move with. So whatever you're grateful for, you just want to say that until you feel a physiological shift. HM. So for me, my physiological shift is my shoulders drop sometimes pretty drastically means that you keep tension in your shoulders. Oh totally. Yeah. Sometimes you'll see I'm like, you know, my shoulders are up Not quite I'm being exaggerated, but they'll be up here sometimes, you know.
So they drop, I relax. My breathing slows, so our slow breathing is a pretty common response. Usually our breath deepens down into our bellies. Also for me, my hands start to feel really big, almost like I'm wearing Mickey Mouse gloves. And my feet can also feel really big, like I'm wearing clown shoes. And sometimes I don't always feel a little bit. Sometimes I will feel my heart opening, and so sometimes that feels just like
it's really like there's this expansive field in front of my heart. Other times it can feel like I'm ripping, like like I'm ripping through all the cobwebs on there or something. You know. Can actually be a little uncomfortable at first, but so so the ideal is just to say what you're grateful for until you feel a shift, and you want to get to know what that shift is for you, because that's your cloth. Then that you're in heart coherence. So after you have that down. Then we want to go see
who is the plant that we're going to work with. And so we get in our hearts space and we just invite, like if we say, well, it depends on what you want. If you just want to meet your plant, ally, I'd like to meet the plant who wants to work with me today or who is best for me to work with today. Other times, if you have a particular issue going on in your life, like I'm having relationship issue, so like who's a plant that can help support me in
this issue? Or like a job I want to make a decision about a job. Who can help me about this job? You know, if there's a particular question, then have that in mind, and and then we just see who who starts to show for us. And so in my classes, it's people will go out and walk and they'll see Like oftentimes when people come here, they already they don't know that they know who the plant is,
but they do. It's like you pull in and it's like a spotlight's on a plant and you're like, oh my god, look at that gorgeous mullen plant. And so when we say okay, go out to look for your plant, everybody's like, well, everybody's going to want that Mullen plant, but they don't. That Mullen plant was lit up for you. So yeah, So that's you're walking out and you're meeting the plant. And I think one of the keys for this is that they're that the plants want to be
in relationship to you. So that in itself is so healing for many of my clients, that there's a plant that wants to be in relationship to you and we're letting them draw us in rather describe that jen describe how they are reaching out and wanting to connect with their human ally if you want to call it an ally. Yeah. So just like I said, like that, we'll see a light shining on them other that's the signal or yeah, or
sometimes you'll see like a plant. It's almost like a plant's waving at you and you're looking around and it's not windy, you know, there's not other plants waving. This plant's waving at you, and so you go over and we'll and we'll check him with our heart you know, again we're in our
heart space and we'll ask like, okay, are you calling me? And sometimes the answers know like sometimes they don't want to work with you then, but then if we look around us, maybe there's a smaller plant on the ground and that's actually the plant who was who wants to work with you. Other ways is that we pick It doesn't happen so much in my classes, but in real life, is that we'll pay attention. When a plant showing up in your life three times, then that's a sign that they want to
work with you. So it's like, well, one of the examples I give in my book, and it's because I think it's such a drastic example is one of my students is a nurse. Was a nurse and she was going to the local conservatory for her lunch break and they had a big orchid show. So she was just like surrounded by orchids and loving the orchids. And she's walking back and it's it's in Pennsylvania in the middle of winter, there's snow and ice on the ground, and there in the sidewalk in the
middle of a city is an orchid. Oh boy. She's like, you know, somehow this orchid dropped from somewhere and there's like, whoa, there's an orchid here, Like that's interesting. So she picked the orchid up, continued to work, and when she got there here there was some lunch that you know, somebody brought in lunch and so there's salad, and she went to go get salad and there's edible orchids in the salad. So that's an
idea. That's an example of a plant showing up three times. And if that happens, and that's them really saying, hey, I want to be in relationship with you, or I have something to offer you, So let's let's communicate here. I love that We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll be right back with my guests. Jin Fry discussing her new book, Communicating with Plants. We'll be right
back. I guess today is author Jin Fry, who has written a new book called Communicating with Plants, Heart based Practices for Connecting with Plant Spirits. This is a look at our allies, our plant and tree and bush allies that have been with us since the beginning, and how to communicate with them. I guess if you have if you're indoors and you don't have a yard or something, you live in an apartment or a condo or something. It's
your indoor plants that you can work with, right absolutely. But really, even in the biggest cities, there are plants everywhere. I mean, like, one of my favorite things to do now, granted our city is not as big as like New York or San Francisco or something, but we have a city here and one of my favorite things to do is to do an urban plant walk. And we just do one block, one block, and there everybody's like, oh my gosh. You know, there's so many plants
that grow up in the sidewalks. There's always trees on the in the sidewalk as well. There's usually parks nearby people. You know, there's plants all over the place. We just have to in the cities. You have to work to look for them. In the country, you know, they're it's they're all over the place. But but they're absolutely available to us in the cities. Okay, So say, uh, as an example, I go hiking and there's this wonderful tree that at certain times of a year springtime flowers
and it's like it's it's so beautiful. It's been like it's been shaped with the sculptures knife or something, and it's always perfectly shaped and I'm very attracted to it, so I need to go up to it and sitting quietly and what would you say? I mean, I think it's reaching out to me, But is there another step I need to go and intuitively saying hey, how are your kind of thing? Or I would start with your heart? You know, you heart, that's very important there, you know, so
give yourself some time there. Like usually in my class its it's like the first meeting is usually about an hour long. You know, we want time an hour long. Yeah, and and and I'll be honest, for most people, that pushes the edges because we're so used to like, you know, yeah, what time I got to get out of here exactly exactly, so, but I try to give to encourage people to stay for a whole
hour and so, so, yeah, get into your heart space. I always suggest introduce yourself first, so you know, like say hey, I'm you know so and so, and I'd like to communicate with you, and and then with plants. You know, another nice easy step first is breathing, because we give we get our breath from them, you know, so we can just sit there and just recognize that our breath is coming from the
plant, but also direct our outbreath to the plant. And then we can switch it to so that as we're breathing in the plant's air, we're breathing in their gratitude, and we're breathing out our gratitude to the plant, and then breathing in their love and breathing out our love to the plant. And as you're there, you're just really keenly observant to anything and everything, like what are you sensing in your body? What are you noticing that's going on
around you? What are you noticing about the plant? Maybe there is a particular color that really like draws your attention, or maybe there's a shape, maybe a song pops into your head, like including like Rockabye Baby, you know, like it. It could be really silly things come forward and we just notice it all. We don't at this stage, we don't put any judgment on anything. We don't put any discernment on anything. We just want
to notice it all and gather as much information as we can. And then later we'll start putting meaning on things, and maybe some of those outlandish stuff will toss and maybe some of them actually start to make sense to us. Would you say that the plant and tree beings that are we're working to communicate with have a sense of who we are? In other words, are they ancient souls spirits as you call plant spirits who understand the human condition? Mm?
I don't know that they understand the human condition. In fact, I think that's one of the ways in which I mean, I think they understand us as individuals pretty well and can see like areas that we're tripped getting tripped up on, or areas that we need to grow, or like our potential because they can see like they can see I would say anyways that they can see our soul, like our our true essence. But as far when I when I think about like understanding the human condition, they don't. They don't
work on the same time frame that we work. You know, they don't have they don't quite understand like the necessity of hey, we have to pay
our bills, like or even like we need this much sleep. And so it's one of the things that as my particularly my students that do the healing work, when we go deeper and deeper with the plants, sometimes we have to let them know, like, hey, I understand you want me to do this right now, but I also need this, like I also need sleep, or I need to make enough money so I can pay my house, or else I can't live here and be with you, you know,
So like sometimes we have to let them know those aspects of the human condition. Yeah, amazing. Would you say that, and I mentioned this at the very beginning, that plants are sentient, that there is some level of consciousness that is because you know, we're we're from the earth. You know, we're we're created here, we were birthed here, we die here, and so it seems like it would be I use the term symbiotic a connection.
But would you say that there is a consciousness that that we're working with? Oh? Absolutely, yeah yeah, but I mean it's like okay, yeah, they're there like uh just to say hey, hi, ho whatever. But what you're saying is like you're going to get a dictionary or you're gonna get a tome here. Uh? Insight? Is that what we're getting after we have a connection or I mean, how much how much of a
how much of a connection is it? Is it like bits and pieces or is it like as much as you can let in if you know like all things, it depends on your relationship. And you know, relationships take time and relationships take effort, and so so the first time that you sit with a plant, it is totally possible you might get some information that's just going to knock you over, and then other times, you know, so like, so dandelion is one of the plants that I think of the most for
this. Like, I've been working with Dandeline pretty much my whole life. Now. Granted, you know, as a young child, I of course wasn't realizing I was communicating with Dandeline, but even like I was working with herbs before I started recognizing that I could communicate. So you know, I've been working with Dandeline in many forms, and I continue to learn from Dandeline and I continue to like just be like, oh wow, thanks Dandeline.
So I always say, the plants give us the information that we most need at that time. And so you know, part of it when I said earlier about that we the evolution together, that as we evolve, we allow the plants to evolve. So as we're healing, as we're growing, the plants are able to give us other information because now we can understand it and now we and it's what we need now. I love this. Have you heard of the You've heard of the Akashic records, right, yeah, yeah.
This reminds me of almost like a natural Cashick record. You're connecting with these plants and they're going, Okay, you're ready for this. I'm going to give you some information. You know you've been we've been communicating for a week, a month, a year or whatever. Is that what it's like? Kind of like you get what you need at the time, not too much, not too too little, just what's right or I mean, I don't know, I could be I'm I'm if you're a fool, you know
you're talking about No, No, no, not at all. No, I'm laughing because I'm having my own experience with the plants right now and I want to say, yes, they absolutely like give you just what you need at that time. And then I'm remembering times where I got too much information. No, okay, I have to hit you up for that one now. Okay. So it's like you asked, look, is this person somebody I want to work with orda day? And they probably are you saying too
much information? Like they drilled down to the point where you're like, I don't need to know that. No, no, no, no, it's that's like human information. No, okay, it's more well, this isn't with the plants necessarily that the example that's coming forward, But you know, we're we have a sanctuary here that I work with the land spirits to create.
And once upon a time, like when I first got here, I was just like, all right, show me what, show me what we need to do here, and I got all these jobs at one time, and I'm like and I was single at the time, and I'm like, how am I going to do all of this? And so that was like an example where I got too much information And then later as I'm stressing out and like overwhelmed, they're like, we didn't say you have to do that all right now, We just showed it to you because really were insistent that
you wanted that information. But it's only you know, it's one thing at a time. So yeah, I can't give you an exact example of a plant right off the top of my head right now, but it's definitely happened where it's just like I get and part of it's myself, like it was in that situation you know I'm a double air. So I'm like, give it to me. Give it to me now, I either I'll take it or I won't. In your right right, yeah, you're you're knocked unconscious
because it's so heavy. Right, Yeah, that's amazing. I'd like to I'd like to experience that. I'm a writer as you are, and I'm kind of going through a mental block right now. I need to get out for a hike. Talk a little bit about a term you call energy hygiene, and I like that term because I think that a lot of us who sit on our fanny for hours a day and can't get up because of our job description fall into that that term. So talk about that. Yeah,
So I would just say it's all of us. It doesn't matter if you're sitting down or running around. So you know, so we are energetic beings and we live in the sea of energy, so there's energy all around us. Like I don't know if you remember, but when COVID first came out, like before we really had all the restrictions and stuff. I think it was the New York Times, but I saw some other organizations also had articles of like if you could see the virus, you would be really scared.
And I'm like, if we could see what's around us at any momentute time, whether that virus is around or we would be freaking scared. Like there's just you know, and it's a good reason that we can't see at all, but we just are surrounded by this you're talking about negative energy and just a heaviness peoplespression and the society and the bickering and all this cr ap.
Yeah, I mean like really, there's just there's so much energy around us, whether we whether it's so called negative or beneficial, you know, there's just a lot floating around us at all times. And it's great that we can't see all of it because we would be so overwhelmed. But still it's
there. And unfortunately, with our society, the way our culture, the way it's set up right now, it's very hard to have strong or so or or is the protective protective membrane maybe you would say that surrounds our energetic
bodies, and that's what keeps energies that we don't want out. It's what allows you know, good energies in and so, but it's hard to have a strong aura because of the ems, the you know, WiFi, the like, everything that's around just also just the running constantly, not eating well and so so then we all can be affected by this negative energies that are
around us. And then of course our culture, particularly I'm talking about in the States, is really lately into the whole vitriol like just you know, we say it like, say it like it is, but really it's just let's be mean and vindictive and say nasty things that we would never say to somebody that we actually like care about what's in their best interest. Are you
talking about the political divide and that whole issue. Of course you're in Pennsylvania, which is kind of the heart of the United States political side of things, so that can bring out a lot of beds bed I mean, yes, but I think political divide is only part of it. You know. There's just like I mean, we saw it with social media, right, social media just encouraged people to be really nasty because they didn't have that face
to face interaction that you wouldn't say this to somebody. So there's all of that too that feeds this nasty energy and it's going around. And so the other issue with our culture is that we're not recognizing that we're impacted by this energy, and so energy hygiene is the process of clearing it out, getting it out of our auras, getting it out of our bodies. And we all need this, Like you know, way back when we didn't recognize the
importance of physical hygiene. Now we generally do. We generally know that we need to wash our hands, we want to brush our teeth, you know, we want to shower like we want to we want to clean our bodies. And I think it's going to be the same thing with energy hygiene as well. That I hope. Anyways, at some point it will become more common that we're going to recognize that we need to clear our energetic bodies.
We are more than just these physical bodies. We have other levels, and these energies can come in and if we're not clearing them, they can have really serious impacts on our lives, including like disease, illness, but also anxiety. Like I find my clients with high anxiety. Most of them have too much energy in their auras that it's it's just too much going on. It's like all these TVs are playing at the same time, and get it cleaned out. Yeah, talk a little bit about somebody who lives in the
city how they would do a hygienic cleaning. I mean, I think meditation is a big one simply because you quiet the brain and you can maybe reach into the higher levels for healing. But any suggestions for oh sure, you know. So one of the great things about nature is that whenever there's a need, nature provides so many options. So, you know, one of the easiest ways, and one of the most common ways that we're seeing it
is through smudging or burning up plant materials. Yeah. So the one I talk the one I use work with the most in my life and that I talk about in the book is with mugwort, right, And I like mug wart because mugwort is a where I live. On the East coast. West coast, you have a native version of mug wart two, which is wonderful. But on the East coast, the mugwort that grows here Artemi chabel garris isn't actually native, and they're so prolific, they grow so easily, so
we can harvest quite a lot. And whereas many of the other herbs that we traditionally think of is in smudging, such as white sage or poly santo. They're more endangered and we need to protect them more so. So yes, so smudging burning of plant material to clean our aura. That's one of the easiest ways. I mean, yes, in a city you might have to be a little bit more cautious about this, depending where you go.
But also we can harvest some plants and I say a little prayer as we're harvesting the plants, and so we take them and we create what's called basically it's like a broom. It's a bundle of the plants, and we just brush our bodies with the plants and then when we're done, we give them to a tree or to running water. Yeah. I love that. The book's called Communicating with Plants, Heart based Practices for Connecting with Plants spirits.
My guest today has been Gin Fry. Talk a little bit about psychotropics, because I wrote a book on cannabis a couple of years ago, and I think it's one of these plants that's unfortunately being abused and people are using it too much. I don't think our ancestors used it every day. They used it more ceremonially. What's you're feeling on psychotropics? You talk a little bit about it in the book, but I want to hear what some thoughts are.
Yeah. Absolutely, So, you know, whenever I talk about communicating with plants, people automadly think that's what I'm talking about, that I'm talking about ingesting psychotropics psychedelics, and then we have like this really vivid experience and and actually we don't have to ingest anything to be able to communicate with plants, and I still like, without ingesting any part of it, I still have really incredible experiences with them where I, like I shared with Mugwart,
you know, I went to another dimension, like so, yeah, I'm gonna keep that one. But so anyw, So no, I'm absolutely not talking about digest or ingesting anything with psychotropics. So I always get the caveat that there is a serious addiction in my family. So I you know, my father is now in recovery, but he was an alcoholic. So as a young, very young young age, I knew all about addiction and and I was really cautious then because I knew I had the gene and I could
become addicted as well. And so so psychotropics is not an area that I ever, like really went deep into Meanwhile, I have all these friends and all these people who think, like when Michael Pollan's book came out, everybody's calling me asking me where they can get mushrooms, and I'm like, oh, god, your backyard. But but I you know, I think again, like again, there's all the science coming out, Like I mean, they're plants. I don't have any issues with them, but like you said,
it's about how we work with them. And I think I think that's true when we work with any plant, that it's always about our intention is absolutely important, and it goes back to that amnesiac thing that we have this tendency of wanting to consume everything and wanting to use everything, and that is, by all means the basis of capitalism. You know, it's what the system that we all live into exactly, and no matter how hard we try,
we can't fully extract that out of us. We can try, we're trying to shift things, we're trying to look at it differently, but we all will go back to that. So I think it's an issue with any plant, but with psychotropics, and maybe that is one of their great gifts, is that we definitely have to be in our integrity when we're working with them, right, And just like you said, there is I think quite a bit of abuse. And it doesn't necessarily mean that it has to look
like addiction. It also can just be that we're looking at them to be that magic pill, and so we just go to them rather than doing our own work. That's a good point. Yeah, especially when it comes to CBD. You're seeing thousands and thousands of gummies for healing this and healing that, and there's I mean, because cannabis was illegal for so many years, we're just now getting back into the research. It's a very powerful tool for
healing. And are you saying that you haven't really used or smoked cannabis or is it just the fact that you're already so fine tune. You can get high just walking in nature. So yes, I can get high walking in nature, but also just some you know. Like so one of the exercises in my book is journeying with the plant spirit, right, So I've worked with journeying a lot, and those journeys, I mean I can go explore
all kinds of places that I don't need to ingest anything. So the thing all right, So the thing I wasn't going to share is that my children have done experimentations and sometimes they'd be like, yeah, well mom, I got to go experience this place. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know exactly where you're talking about. I've been there too, but I did it in a journey. And they're like what, And I would give them some more information. They're like, that is where I was so
funny. So you're doing your own vision vision quest and you're going you don't need to do that, you can do it this way. Well, you're just advanced gin. You're just a No, I'm not. It's what it's that's what's open to all of us. Like this journeying bit. You know, it's a fift We're talking fifteen minutes. That's it. It's a fifteen
minute process. And we all can have access to this information. And I think that's important to know that we And again I don't want to put down because these psychotropic plants are beautiful, Like I have san Pedro growing right in front of me and I'm waiting there's a little bud that I'm waiting for the blossom to open, you know. So and I work with the spirit of ayahuasca and my healing practice almost oh my god. But I'm not ingesting the
plan. I'm working with the plant spirit. I'm happy to hear that because I have a number of authors who are actually consuming ayahuasca on a yearly basis or annual basis, and I just I just have a fear of going to that side of things because it's you lose control and you're just like taken to the dimensions that are like pretty pretty challenging, right, and again, it depends on the intention and how the ceremony is set up and my teacher,
my teacher, well i'll leave her out of it, but my teacher's tradition where where she is in Ecuador, then I want you to They don't want the whole puking andcouraging thing. It's not that intensive an experience. It's more about focused on the love and the connection to all and the healing that that brings in for you as well. So it's really about your intention. And
she would say, you know, she's very strict about it. Actually that from the American standpoint, we do tend to be like let's I want my patch again or I want my badge again, Like oh, I just did another ceremony. I did another ceremony. I collect the badges and she's like absolutely not Like she's like, it's really you should only be going to this plant in ceremony in that case, not working with the plant spirit, but in ceremony a few times in your lifetime. Like yeah, it's pretty intense.
Yeah, And it's just like and when you're there, you've got to be really clear, why are you going to there if you're just going there to say that I did the ceremony or to heal all of your issues that you're not wanting to like look at yourself. It's not fair to the plant. Yeah, I'm sorry. Have you been down at Ecuador? So you joined in one of these ceremony? Oh, I didn't go for ayahuasca non study, So okay, I'll say her name because I mentioned her in the
book. So one of my teachers were Ceo Alacan, and she's an Ecuadorian Corndero Corndera, and so I want to study with her. I had been studying with her up here, and I had learned a process called Oglympia that's another form of energy hygiene. And she has a center in the Amazon. So I actually almost didn't go because I did not want to experience ayahuasca.
I have my own reasons for it. But bub we did get to have a very sweet, very loving, very gentle In fact, when I came out of that experience, I was like, oh my gosh, I see more vivid things in my waking life than I do. Did she prepare a brew that you consumed? She did not, But there is a There is an Aawascan shaman who has since left this world. He was like in his late nineties when we worked with him, he was the sweetest man. Also, you actually who did a ceremony? Wonderful? Yeah? Right, okay,
good. I feel vindicted, not vindictive, but I feel like I've been shown that you. Yeah, it's interesting. Uh, this is fantastic. We could speak for another hour on this fantastic book. Uh. Something that everyone listening should check out. How should people read your book? How should they consume the data? What you know? Obviously it's not for everybody, but I would say that we all have to kind of focus on the natural world. This is a good starting pointment. What are your suggestions for
the new reader? So that's a challenging question to ask me because I'm a very much front to back reader. But you go through it and yeah, start to finish. Okay, it doesn't matter like I you know, that's just me. But actually for the book, there there are just an option. So the book is written that each chapter there are sixteen plants, and so each chapter is about a plant, and then there's an exercise that goes
along with some of the lessons from the plant. So so you can read it, just read the lessons that the plants gave you, not do any of the exercises, or you can also use this as a guidebook, and so in that way, I always suggest that you start with the first two exercises, so it's the the heart exercise and then finding the plant, and then from there you can you can dance around the exercises. They don't have to go in the order that I wrote them, and you know, so
yeah, read it however you want to. Fantastic, Hey, Jen, real pleasure. Let's get some information to those who want to know more about you. Where's your website. It's Bridget'sway dot com and I spell bridget brig IDs Way, oh right, and this is the organization that you you you've also no that's so so yes, I've just stepped down from the board. Actually, oh, so you're not doing that anymore? No, but I was. I mean, I still love the organization. I was on the
Organization of Nature Evolutionaries for like I said, ten years. It's our tenth anniversary. So wow, amazing. Okay, you have a YouTube channel, talk about that is what. Let me see here? Can they find it under your name? Jeno? Find it under I think it's maybe under Jen Fry, but definitely under Bridget's way. You can find it. You can find it from my website and there I have some videos of the plants singing and some other videos. Wow. And you have a Facebook and you have
an Instagram. Okay, sure they can get that from your website. So fantastic. You're you're locked in the social media, which is fantastic. Great Jen, real pleasure having you on the program, and I really appreciate your insight. Well, thank you clip. This has been a very interesting interview.
All right, much success, take care. One of the things I wanted to ask Jen is we kind of ran out of time, but you know, gaining inspiration from being in nature but also working with your plant and tree allies plant spirits, tree spirits to develop inspiration, because I mean, if you work a lot and you're not getting the feedback from your human counterparts, your relationships, it can become depressing. It's like what is it all
worth? What's going on? You feel down? And I have found that if first of all, going for a walk in nature without your cell phone is huge, The benefits are immeasurable. It's like you're gonna get a good dose of what you're made of. It's your essence nature. You're a part of nature, so it's your nature essence. But I also think if you're dealing with the problem you know, at work, at home, personally, whatever, when you walk out in nature, you can actually solve it.
I'm almost I mean, I am very aware of this, having done this many times when I'm writing a chapter and I'm stuck on something and I kind of like, oh, what can I do? What do I need to do? How do I navigate this issue? When I go for a hike, I feel clear, And a lot of times I'd say ninety plus percent is the answer. The creative influence, or as we like to say, the muse, the harmonics. The creative muse comes through and it's like gifts
you with a little bit of creativity. I need more of that right now. I should have mentioned in the middle of writing this book, and it's it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, and it takes up a lot of time, and it's it's some days it flows, some
days it's to challenge, but it's all worth it. So anyhow, walking in Nature, I really suggest getting her book, and she does have a couple of videos communicating with Plants. It just came out a couple of months ago, three hundred plus pages and tons of good reference and practical advice and lessons for accessing the creative mind to communicate with plants. So good to have her on the program. And we got Tours Earth Ancients, Destiny Earth Ancients
Special Edition. The archives all combine to promote and suggest that you come with us on tours Mexico. You heard Ed last week. He's mentioning get one or two spots left. We could probably do three. But if you're want to join us in Mexico, Ed's leading the tour. We land in Mexico City and then you take a jumper jet into Villa Harmosa's a couple of miles a couple of hours away. We next day we go to Lavento, which is one of the strongholds, one of the great cities of the Olmec.
And then there's this outdoor megalithic museum that is fabulous, huge altars, huge stone carving, statues, so forth and so on. One of the real joys of that tours is seeing that museum. We get at a bus and go to a couple of miles a couple of hours drive to Chiapis to see Polank. And Polank is one of these amazing Mayan cities partially excavated. But remember Ed was one of the only to survey it a couple decades ago, and he knows that place forward and backwards, so we're gonna see it from
his point of view. Will be there a couple of days, which is great. Then we go to Bottom Peck and some other locations. This is a short tour November tenth to the seventeenth. It is a blast. For more information on any of our tours, go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash Tours t O U R S. I want to quickly mention we have our Egypt tour that's confirmed now where Jesus, we're almost three corps is full.
That is April twenty eight through May nine with Muhammad Imbrium. If you have any questions whatsoever, email me at Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com and I'll get back to you. Egypt is a fascinating tour. And then we're doing for the first time ever, we're doing Turkey, landing an Istanbul and doing a twelve day tour there. That's going to be mid August. I'm about to launch that itinerary and we'll have more information about it,
including a brief from Muhammad that you can listen to. I'm really excited about that because let's go back the Teppi, Carahan Teppi and the Sacred underground city of darren Kudu. Those are three days, three different locations, but we are going to see a ton of stuff each day. Our tours are amazing. More information, more details or ath Ancients dot com forward slash tours.
Right. That's it for this program, and I think my guest today, Jen Fry, and her new book Communicating with Plants, coming to us from Philadelphia. As always, the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock You really do all right. Take care of me, will and we will talk to you next time.