Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi, how you doing. Welcome to Destiny. We've talked a lot about the different healing techniques that are available. We've mentioned that there are allopathic healing techniques. I'm not a big fan of that form of healing simply because it doesn't recognize the energy bodies, the chakra systems, the auras, the systems that are designed not necessarily to be seen, but to use as a healing modality
when somebody has physical, mental, and spiritual issues illnesses. And the ancient cultures, the native, the indigenous cultures have known about this, the Hindus, the Chinese. When I go to my acupuncturists, I will get I call it a tune up. Unless I have a problem that I'm dealing with, like illness, I'll get a tune up and the needles will be placed in various parts of my body which are contacting meridians, which are energy centers.
Western medicine doesn't even recognize this. Chinese acupuncture has been around five thousand plus years, and yet our own allopathic systems just say, hey, we don't, we don't believe in this. It's crazy. And it's sad at the same time. And when we have a classically trained physician that crosses the border and begins looking at indigenous healing techniques are shamanistic techniques, it's rare. It's exactly, it's extremely rare. And when they write about their experience,
that's even more unique and something to take a look at. Our guests today is a medical doctor and she has been classically trained as an allopath but pursued shamanistic training and uses both modalities in her practice. This is a unique individual who actually has written a book and this is the basis of our program today. Now, when we look at at the healing of the body or maintaining
wellness, you can't look at it as just a disease process. And this is the real problem I have with allopathic medicine is that that's not looked at as a health system. It's looked at and I mean, it's wonderful that they have these these technologies for scanning the body, for X raying the body. When there's a problem, when you have a traumatic illness or a traumatic injury, that's where you go, you go to the alopath. But when you have subtle issues and and imbalances in the body. It can be a
problem. Allopathy can be a problem, and we're going to learn about this today in our program. Again, we are not just the physical body, we are energetic fields. When you use Krillian photography, you can actually see little energy fields around your fingers, around your arms. When we use Krillian photography and we expand it beyond the fingers, you can actually see the uric
field of the body. And Krillian photography has been around for a while now, but it still has not been analyzed to the level that needs to be. And this is the future of healing. This is the future of medicine when you begin to take on and look at the energy systems of the body as it relates to the physical body and the other areas of the emotions and the spiritual bodies too. So today's program is maximize your healing power shamanic healing
techniques to overcome your health challenges. And my guest is doctor Sharon Martin. We've got to program today. Of course, we always have a good program on destiny. I tell you we've had different aspects of healing over the years, and we've had shaman we've had mds that are kind of developed their own program. Today is unique in that we have a physician, a medical doctor
who not only is classically trained and went to John Hopkins. Wow, that is a big brand right there, and got her medical degree, but also decided to pursue a shamanistic approach to her healing. And she has released a new book. And by the way, today the book is released officially. If you go to Amazon or any of your bookstores, look for a book called Maximize Your Healing Power Shamanistic Healing Techniques to Overcome your Health Challenges. What
a great title. And my guest today is doctor Sharon Martin, and she, I mean, I've read most of this book. Is a wonderful look at not only her own personal journey, but the techniques that she's come across as an alepathic healer, the great problems, and she has a whole chapter.
I really advise you to get this book because if you are dealing and I'm here in California with the Kaiser program Kaiser Permanentity, if you're dealing with a health crisis or you want to go to your doctor, read this chapter
one. The school, the schooling that she went through because you'll understand how your doctor is educated, what the pluses and minuses are, and you can work with them because you know, look, I'm not a big proponent of allopathy because there's so many problems, there's so many disconnects, but it's what we have to work with right now, and so look at it. Check it out, look at this book, and work with it. So, hey, Sharon, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you with us.
Thanks Cliff, thank you so much. All right, first off, why did you write this book? Because my god, you have so much in there on your own transformation as a young and an upcoming person not knowing what to do and thinking, here's your psychiatrist. Okay, Sharon, you're gonna be a doctor. I want you to be a doctor, which is a shock you even write about this, The fact that we were shock a shock to hear him say that, So talk a little bit shocked. So my
journey has been a it's been a sort of long, convoluted one. I've punched a lot of academic tickets. Yeah, I'm a good a I've always been a good student. So first I was a PhD. Then I was on faculty at Emory and I was teaching medical students and then struggled with having a breakup and was seeing a psychiatrist who never ever said anything to me. He just sat there and you know, I could see the wheels of his brain durning. But he never said he never told me what to do,
He never gave me advice. And I was grumbling one day that being an academic researcher and having to get grants, and your grant has to be considered meritorious. That was thirty percent of them. Then you know, maybe six percent got funded. And I thought, that's a lousy way to live, is to chase that grant money. Didn't feel good anymore. And I was grumbling to him and I don't know about this an ah blah blah blah blah.
And he said, and he take it for me. He never ever ever said anything, never directed me, never told me how to interpret my therapy at all. And he said to me, I want you to apply to medical school. I almost fell off the chair. I was like, I won't say his name. I think he's passed on now, but I said doctor X. I looked at him. I thought he just told me.
He just told me what he wanted me to do I better pay attention because he never says this, and all of a sudden I thought, well, if he thinks I can do it, I bet I can do it. So I applied and I got in. It happened to be a year when the director of admissions was taking intentionally fifty percent women and intentionally taking people who had other life experience, so not the straight premed you know, twenty four year olds. Why did you pick John Hopkins, a real tough,
tough med school to get into to begin with? And also, you know, one of those top research institutes as well, I guess because all of my academics were about achieving the highest so to me, that was like a big ticket to punch. Yeah, and so I think I was naive. I think I was actually clueless. It was also in Maryland, and I was from Maryland, so I had always had this vision of wanting to be around Amish country and those rolling hills, and so it's sort of fit.
It ended up fitting for reasons that weren't in my brain at that time. But you know, so I applied and I got in. Of course, the dean of admissions was taking intentionally taking people I was the oldest one in my class at the age of thirty eight, and so she did not accept a you know, cookie cutter class. We had writers and musicians and playwrights and so very broad people would already experienced life previously, which was a unique
way to take which was really cool, but definitely not cookie cutter. You talk in the beginning about your father encouraging you and so forth and so on. But did you get a scholarship because it's very expensive medical schools, just you know, horribly expensive. I think I got three quarters of the tuition was scholarship, Okay, but I still left there with over two hundred thousand dollars a debt. Oh my guy, So you you did the full ride
for four years or did you stay and do additional specialty work? No? From there, I went to a residency and internal medicine in York, Pennsylvania. Okay, two hundred grand. It's so funny. I remember my cousin when he got out of a mid school, he had one hundred and this is a years ago. He's retired since he had one hundred and sixty thousand dollar bill that he ended up working with the government, and here in northern
California Native American reservations. He worked for reservations to pay it off. Wasn't what he really wanted to do, but he ended up doing it. So the price that the money involved is out it's outrageous. Yeah, it's so I was. I moved to a rural areaft for residency anyway, and then open the clinic in a really underserved area. So that got me sixty thousand dollars of payback of you know, so I was able to cut sixty grand off of that bill. That's by working in an underserved, very very rural.
I mean the county I live in has fourteen thousand people. That tells you, I mean you live in the San Francisco area. That's what's a world of difference. Yeah, we're in the millions. In the beginning of your book, you describe how you were kind of a free spirit in terms of interests, and you were interested in people like Andrew Casey and psychic awareness
and things like that as you were learning to become an allopathic doctor. Did you obviously, and we're gonna talk about your shamanistic your shamanism approach, were you uncomfortable with this healing modality that you were being taught. Did you feel out of place or just kind of forced it through. I think before we started, I mentioned that one of the things that my cousin had real problems
with it was pharmacology, which is a huge part of medical training. You know, how drugs interact with each other, how drugs are used for various healing, which isn't not really necessarily a healing, but it's a way to work. But what were some of your issues. Well, I think a
couple of the issues were probably inherent to the institution. There was very much a hierarchy of very snobbery, a just a one upsmanship that when you've been out in the world and I had already been faculty at every university, I didn't need in a group. You know, we're in a group and I'm a medical student, so I'm low on the totem pole and the head guy asks a question of the team, and nobody knows the answer, but I do. We didn't like it. He didn't like it because it showed up
the residents or the step above me. Well, that doesn't sit well with me. So that kind of hierarchy that comes from being one of the top ivy league in this one upsmanship to me was just bs and it didn't do me well because I, you know, usually being an a student, I got a D in this one guy's class because he didn't like the fact that
I spoke up and talked back. And you know, when you're already have a PhD and you already know your biochemistry so you can understand the pharmacology and you have things to say, you don't expect to be put down for having those thoughts. But anyway, didn't read the room right. I should have just been quiet, but I'm not a quiet type. The other thing is we talked down to the patients. We talked about them in front of them in ways that if I had been laying in the bed listening, I would
have been petrified. But again, the average medical student doesn't have that kind of social awareness yet to have that empathy, so they just go along with thinking it's okay. Well it's not okay. We stood in front of this elderly woman's bed and talked about her risk of dying from her abnormal heart rhythm. Well, okay, those are facts and those are important for the team
to know. But they could have at least said missus so and so I'm going to talk facts about this disease to the team, and if you have any questions, you know, you can ask us after. We're just talking about this disease in general. So please don't be scared. Yeah, you write about that in the book. It's almost like it's like third person. You're like you're talking to an inanimate object. It was so gross, it was so gross. You must have felt very uncomfortable effect. You write about
feeling just completely out of place, completely out of place. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I just remember I didn't write about this. I remember one day, I'm going down the hall and he's dead now, so I think it's okay to say. Um, I go down the hall and they're in a wheelchair being wheeled passed me as David Crosby. Well, I knew who he was. I was old enough to know who he was,
you know, child of the seventies. So I followed down to his room, oh my head, and his wife says it's okay to and I just said, I'm not going enough on your team, but I wanted to say thank you for the music. And he smiled and he said you're very welcome, and I left it. As I'm walking out of the room, one of the professors, his doctor comes in glared at me. Who was I to step into the room? Who was I to think that I should
be able? But even his wife even said come on in anyway, I thought, you know, you guys are so full of yourselves that you've forgotten how to be human. Yeah. I don't want to be too hard on allopathy because I beat it up up and on and but when you need it, when you need it, you can't beat it. Well, does you need a knee replacement, you can't beat you be kind of selling first.
A strep throat you can't beat it. Yeah, if you've got a brain tumor or a lung cancer and you need immuno therapy, you can't beat it. Right, You know, it has its healing abilities. It's like a sledgehammer a lot of times. At times it is. Yeah, but here you are, you graduate. But you must have felt something was missing when you got out of school. Yeah, I did. I felt that a lot. I was petrified when I got out of residency and I went to
rural and there I am all alone. Everybody else was going places that they're going to have other faculty there, people to talk to all the time. I had cultivated a few people that I trusted that I could call when I was petrified, Yeah, to help me work it through that. Can't find that the relationships with me and the patients were so much stronger when it was just me and them and not a big, big medical center, a big clinic with multiple doctors. And so I think I really loved that. When
I reflect on, I think that was really wonderful. Would you say that, you know you're trained to get a history for every patient, would you say that you would go a little bit beyond that and get to know the person's personality and maybe spend a little more time than you were advised to take. I think I did it because that's what made it fun, when you have your heart connections, because otherwise it's dry and even though you could be
scientifically correct, it's boring. Yeah, I mean I want those heart connections. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's talk about becoming a shaman. When did you decide that you wanted to supplement your training? And I mean, this is a big step. You're talking about the other end of the healing spectrum. Allopathics don't look at shamanism of anything but woo, And you use the term in your book woo woo, you know, a meditation healing
techniques. I mean, obviously you could not have done this in the corporate medical setting, you would have been immediately booted. But what was your motivation to do this shaman work? Well, I think the first most striking one is the one I write about in the first chapter is a young man coming in who was psychic, had paranormal sensory perception and was freaked out by it and thinking he was crazy, and me telling him, I don't think you're
crazy, I think you have incredible psychic abilities. And that moment I knew that my traditional medicine, my mainstream medicine training, would have been harmful to him, that I would not promote health or healing to him, and that I was on a search for healing, not necessarily fixing blood sugars, blood cholesterol, things like that. And I was reading and shortly after I got Alberto Violdo's book He Shaman, Healer and Sage, and I just felt this
tug to an indigenous practice. I felt this tug to go back to the source, go back to the way the ancient healers did, and I thought I need to learn some of that. And it turned out that he that Alberto taught what the Peruvian medicine men and women knows about a light body and energy body. I never heard of that, right, But in those exercises that we did, I took. I did the courses over a two year period, and in those experiential workshops in our one week retreat, the things
that we accomplished. I'll tell you a story we're told to take. We were all told to bring three stones with us, and we're told to sit down with a partner from class and using your stone, tell them what you saw about them, in other words, into it, feel their energy. Whatever it is that came up. And I sat down with a woman I'd never worked with in class. I didn't know her at all, and I picked up one of my stones and I thought, I can't do this.
I'm making this stuff up. But the heck I must be tripping. But I said, okay, just to suspend disbelief. And as I'm rubbing the stone, I just thought I'll rubbed the stone. I look at the stone and I see a ship in a storm, and on the right side of the stone, the waves are big. But then on the left, the way the ship is heading, it's calm and the sun is out. And I said, and I'm thinking, to my stuff, you're crazy. She's
gonna think you're wacko. I said, you're in a ship in a storm and it's been really scary, and you thought you were gonna die, but you're coming out of it and you're heading into the sun. And I thought, well, I get, that's all I get. I'm so sorry. She starts crying. She starts crying, and I look and I said, what's the matter. What did I say? She said, I had a dream last night that I was in a ship in a storm, but I knew I was coming out of it. Well, I mean, I got
goose bumps. So I thought, where is that coming from. There's something in this experiential healing, in this ability to shift your consciousness to that unified field. What I know now, I didn't have words for it back then. To be able to into it and to connect to and train yourself with someone else, and no and no things to say that make a difference. That's huge, But I think that and the techniques go ahead. Sorry, no, I mean I just want. My observation is that you are tapping
in to who she is unified field. But also, this is what we call psychic awareness, and you're actually even though you may not use that language, it's so obvious to me to hear you talk like this. You're like you're tapping into somebody. And I think when you're working with Alberto's technique and you can talk more about it in a minute, it kind of brings out your gift. And so that training amplified my intuitive abilities, and I think
we all have them to one degree or another. They're more evident, but that training allows you to practice it, to try it out, to say these things out loud to somebody and then later have them validated. I had another experience working with somebody that all of a sudden I tell him a story. I said, this is what I see in this young man, and you're in this cave and this b b bah bah and she starts I think
this is crazy stuff. She starts crying and she said, well, that young man is my son, and I've been very worried about this and that, and he's been isolated as if he's in a cave. I'm like, what, so it does. You can teach yourself, you can practice, you can try it out, see how it flies, get that feedback and try so. I don't think you have to have special gifts. I think you might be more or less ready to roll on it. But I think
that training made it made a big difference. When you have a patient come in that has a serious illness and you obviously have to be very careful about what you tell them, especially if it's a type of a cancer or a terminal terminal disease, but serious condition, how do you approach them as their
wellness provider? In other words, are there shamatic techniques that you initially introduce into the first visit and the maybe not the first visit, but say you get their blood work or their analysis bag, you're in blood or whatever, and it shows that they have a degenerative disease? How do you approach that? I think for me, I've recognized a couple of steps. First of all, with my training, my intuitions have heightened, or my ability to
pay attention to them. I can feel when somebody's life force is draining. I can feel it, and I can feel when there's something bad about to happen. But the second thing that my training taught me is there are multiple outcomes, and we call them destiny lines. It's like you shine a flashlight and the beam scatters. Well, the least promising or least probable beam might be seem improbable, but still possible. And to set your intention, and
I think this is going to be a frontier for medicine is intention. Set your intention that we're going to look are all the other alternatives other than this badness I feel rolling through. So changing your perception, changing your willingness to see an alternative outcome. So many times we see the badness and we just go along for the ride, and we can shift it. And that's what
the book also is about, is helping people shift it themselves. So that kind of training heightened my intuition, It heightened my ability to see other destiny lines. And the other thing that it did was connected me to that vast unseen world of intelligences and energies, the forces in the universe, the things we call fairies and nature spirits and power animals and thunder gods and all of
that, whatever names you want to give them. There are many different h We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will be right back with doctor Sharon Martin. Shortly, we'll be right back. My guest today is doctor Sharon Martin, an INTERNUS they classically trained alapath who has taken and learned shamanic prac this is and incorporates them in her practice. Her book, Maximize Your Healing Power Shamanic Healing Techniques to
Overcome Your Health Challenges has just been published. When you are able to connect to something bigger, with more power than the average human, with more intelligence than the average human, a force of the universe. The other thing that a shamanic practitioner can do as a physician is you say, and I say, in my mind's eye, okay, God or beings or whatever I sense, I need you to throw a net around this person and keep them back from the edge. I need help, Come help me, Come be present
and help me. So there's a lot of things I think that seem fairly straightforward, but this kind of training can bring that can really shift time to operate in the aleopathic world. So to my mind, you're working closer than a typical alepath would work with his patient, her patient, and you're working
journeying with this individual. And as you say, if you feel really uncomfortable about a person's condition when you first get their analysis back, you would you say that you set up a program to begin working with them and see how they react to it, because I mean, some people may be on an ending journey where they're, you know, facing death, and as a practitioner, your job, your job, it may be that you need to make their final journey as comfortable as possible. Maybe there's no way out of the
terminal setting. As I mean, you're you're really a highbred. And when I say a highbred, you're an alepath formal trained physician, but you're the shamanism, from what I read and what I hear from you now, is so important in your work that it is the first step in the healing process, and then the tools follow within the allopathic setting. In other words, someone needs surgery, Okay, you got to go and have surgery. But
perhaps again we talked about this before we started allopathy, Symson. It seems to be the big hammer, and then there's you know, the shamanism is the subtlety of smoothing it out. Perhaps or I don't know. You use the words I don't want to use you. I think that I am always present with each patient with a shamanic hat on. But I'll be the first to say, in the constraints of a typical alepathic office, when I see twenty two people a day, I do not each patient doesn't have a conversation
about shamanic tools they can use. So I haven't fully blended it in the sense that it's every single patient. But when I do have somebody that I can sense is going to fight even a terminal what looks like a terminal illness, then I'll say I can teach you some things to do. The citizens science, I'll be clear to say this is a science, but it's my spiritual belief that we have an energy field, you have a drain, you have a black thickness density. Here I can teach you things to do.
Do you want to do that? And some will say yes, and the others will say no, not really. But then I can bring him back in another visit and teach him a few techniques. I had a woman who husband father had died, and he had died from a blood clot and one of the blood tests must have the abnormality must have stuck in her mind, because she came in requesting that I test her for this test, and I said, it means so many different things. I don't think that's going to
be valuable for you. No, she insisted it was abnormal, only a little bit abnormal, but that took her down this whole path seeing specialist that they never found anything. But I said to her, I said, I'm worried that this is about your father dying and that that energy is still with you. Well, yeah it is, but I don't care. I don't
want to talk about that. Well, she knew that her father's energy was still and that was what I was sensing, is that she was so fixated on this abnormal blood test, which implied in his case, a blood clot of which he died from, that that was still resonating in her field. And I could census, and I said, do you want me to help you let him go? Oh no, it's not that big a deal. I'll I care about is this blood test? So there are people don't want
to hear it. One of the big things I see with Western culture is that people are out of touch with their bodies, and as a shaman, I would think that one and you can talk about this. Some of your techniques would be doing if somebody has a very serious diagnosis, that you would help them get in touch with their bodies doing by doing vision quests or meditative
techniques. Talk a little little bit about some healing techniques that you would introduce with someone who has a serious condition, who seems to be out of touch with their body, who's in their brain, who's in their head? A lot? And this is something I think is a big problem with Western culture
is that we don't look internally enough. So well, I like and I trained also, I am trained as a certified hypnotherapist, and one of the things I love is to use visualizations and even to write down a self hypnosis and record it and then play it and go on that journey inside your own mind. I do believe that when you engage your higher self, you can make a lot happen for your body. And I'll come back to that in a second. The other thing, what you said, so many people are
stuck with the energy up here that it's not all flowing. You can have a whole lot of thoughts, a whole lot of cerebration. But if you can't bring it down and manifest it into form, you've got a lot of jumble. And I think we have a lot of jumble. Our technology keeps us in jumble. But anyway, I would suggest to somebody a visualization I love and I learned the basics of this from drun Below Melchisedek, a teacher
back in the Gosh. I'm going to say nineties. Maybe, Yeah, he's all around, he's in the New Mexico, I think, I know, yeah, probably Sedona area. Yeah, Well, he taught about the sacred space of the heart, and there is a tiny sacred room in the heart, and a person can intuitively find that if you ask them to take your mind's eye and journey to that and when you enter that room and sit in that room, and I have people say, look around, see how
it looks to you. Everybody's sacred groom is different. And then invite in your either wise person that's yourself, your higher self. Maybe invite in your healed self and have a dialogue about what can be done, what can change, and the insights that people get are phenomenal and leading them into that. And I think in my book, I have dialogues like that that a person could record and then listen and follow along. For me, it's easier to
follow a guided meditation than it is to sit and just go on. I'm not a good sitter like that. I need my brain. But yeah, fascinating. In the book you talk about ritual. Why is ritual important in healing? To me? When I say chul, I'm assuming that you're going to do a chuel in sacred space? Well, what do I mean by sacred space? First of all, that all parts of you are present,
so your mind's not wandering, You're able to sit. You're just able to sit and come to center, and then you connect to your higher beings, your higher self, your God, your guardian angel, you're whatever. When you're in that space, when the full force of you is present, then the action, the lighting of the candle, the spritsing of a stone that you're rubbing, the drawing that you make, can all have greater meaning, can have more powerful meaning for you, And it's engaging every part of you.
So that's ritual to me is when all is engaged and you're in a sacred moment, and you make that moment sacred by your intention by all of you being present and usually by connecting to a higher source fascinating you know you mentioned intention a while ago. It's funny because I've been in this personal growth field for most of my adult life, and we used intention twenty five years
ago very sparingly. But all of a sudden, in the last few years, it's becoming much much more practical and beneficial to upfront say I want to use my intention. I intend this to happen. I intend. It's almost like you writer program talk a little bit about your use of intention in your new book, Maximize Your Healing Power, and why you think it's so powerful
as a healing tool. Well, I think what's happening in the last ten many of the spiritual teachers are starting to bring forward the role of our consciousness and the power of our consciousness Joe dispense, A Dawson, church Lynn MacTaggart, to name a few. When you set your intention, which is your thought, engage in your entire consciousness, then you are linking up with the
entire field of the unified field of consciousness. And I think this is the frontier of medicine that you then are linking up with power in this information field,
the acastic field, whatever you want to call it. What we don't know a lot about what structure it holds in physics, we don't know that yet, but you we're linking up with that, and when we do, we have healers who are able and I think people for themselves are able to say, I'm setting my intention that my X, Y, and Z will be healed, and that power of our consciousness is actually something that I believe
we're going to learn how to tap into. More fascinating, Sharon, I want you to give us an example of a patient of yours who came in with an obvious problem that was perhaps detected after some analysis where you applied an allopathic solution along with a shamanic solution and the results. Okay, we'll talk about this person who came in with a feeling of low energy, of being drained, joint starting ball, feeling pretty down and out and not having any
motivation. From an alepathic point of view, I thought that his joints looked abnormal, that he may have had rheumatoid arthritis, and I initiated the testing for that and then the subsequent visit to the rheumatologist but that didn't totally explain
his lack of motivation as feeling drained. And it was then that I found out from him that he had suffered a traumatic event some years prior that he still had nightmares about and that he had seen something bad happened to somebody car accident and was still literally traumatized in flashbacks about that an alepathic thing for that could be using medicine to help break that depression anxiety PTSD cycle. But what I said to him, as I said, and again I always say this,
this isn't science, this is my spiritual belief. I can teach you something to do to clear that. I believe that that person you saw die in the traffic accident, that their energy is still around you and they and then the person will say, yeah, it is, it is it still is. I mean they know it, they never knew somebody could tell them
that it actually happened, could happen. And so I said, here is how I want you to sit in a make yourself an altar, make yourself a sacred space, have a candle, and I want you to every day, a few minutes a day, I want you to release person back to the light, release them back to the light. And meanwhile, my shamanic intention is to get that other person energy you's now in the spirit world, but didn't quite make it all the way, get them out of his field,
the patient's field, and return to the light. And together he did that, and the next time I saw him, he felt probably eighty five percent back to normal. Would you say that the trauma there was the trauma causing his inflammation of the joints or was it just exasperating it so that it was not something that was healing under normal conditions or not related. I just
happened to see him both at the same time. It's I think it's highly probable in the shamanic view of things that when you've got foreign energy zipping around your energy field that stirs up all kinds of short circuits and clogged up places where your life force isn't flowing, that it could easily have manifested as bad joints. Fascinating. What is the disconnect between energetic medicine, which I've known about for years, and the allopathic system of not thinking about energetics except that
they do use MRIs and things like that, which is energy medicine. What I mean, it's I guess it's that the typical alopath is a scientist and uses the scientific methods. So if you can't see it, you can't test it, you can't recognize it. Is that the problem? It is reductionist.
It's that materialistic reductionism. But the other thing is they have not been taught because again it's not been proven that we have an energy body and that we have an energy field that can be impacted by things that can have wounds in it, that can have sluggishness in it. So there's no there's no language to there's no way to even see that and understand that. Yeah,
and this is the problem I see. I don't want to beat up alipathy too much because this is so easy to slap them around, But I mean, you're very rare, Sharon. You're extremely rare in that you acknowledge that you needed more information as to become a healer, a wellness provider. Of the thousands of students that are graduated every year, I would say, and I'm just an outside observer, that there are wonderful technicians these positions that come
out, but they're disconnected from the healing. So how do we approach this. I mean, when you go to your alpath and you ask them, you know, you feel intuitive that you need more than just what they're offering, and they can't help you. What do you do? Well? When I think about the students, because I've mentored a lot of students in my clinic, they're hungry for this also, So if we could just at least
offer the alternative teachings. And I have to say there is a stereotype between mds anddo's doctors of osteopathy, but thedos are more willing to consider these other alternative things. But I often thought that my book would be wonderful for medical students to read. See it different, See that healing is bigger because you
are in awe. When you're a medical student, you're in awe of these gods of science, and you start to get tunnel vision because you're sure that this is and it is miraculous, and there's all kinds of biochemistry and things that are incredible and genetics and yeah, and so you get swept away, but there is still the hunger until it's till you're blind and you're down the tunnel vision. You don't feel it anymore. But there's this hunger to do
more, to be more. Yeah, it's funny because you in your book you write that you were reading Edgar Casey, and Edgar Casey talks about an different epic of Atlantis where the healers used energetic healing more freely. They use color healing and energy healing with crystals and things like that, which seems way
way, way, way way out. And here we are in this epic where we're on the other side of the fence, where it's all technology and very little intuition, I mean, and acknowledging the energy body worth it so well, you know, I had I had a visualization once this is probably about ten or fifteen years ago, when I saw myself healing with blue light crystals. Wow. Interesting and I that has no realm for me. I
have no nothing to where to put that. All I know is it was incredible, and so yeah, I would love to get back to that. I could describe what the vision was. Were you in a special room and there was this gigantic crystal or was it person laying taka as much as you know, it was like a handheld wand and I think I was actually in a UFO and I had a handheld wand and I could use it too.
Was cool. But you know, some of my intuition, this happened from shamana training when we had our stones and we were building our medicine bundle. I got a lot of intuition later in client sessions just by the stones, just by so I could see, you know, I could feel the validity of a blue light crystal, this wand of anyway. It was incredible. Wow. The book's called Maximize Your Healing Power, Geministic Healing Techniques to Overcome
your health challenges. My guests is doctor Sharon Martin, talk about you call it maximize maximum Medicine. What are the four a's that you highlight in your book? So I invented intuitive, intuitive, conceptualized. Every time I saw patient, I saw this journey. They were on this clockwise journey going through
four directions, like the medicine wheels of Southwestern United States. And I thought, you know, in order to tackle any problem, you need first to be aware of it, and then not just to know you have a pain or an ache or an illness, but to really intuite it all the depths of it. Then you need to allow your bigger helpers. Because our human so constricted, we need to let in. Bigger intelligence is bigger awareness is bigger consciousness. That's the allow steps so aware allow Then we need to take
action, and that is do you need an energy clearing? Do you need to repair your field? Do you need to cut yourself separate from something that's sucking your energy? And then you need to practice it over and over to make it real, you need to affirm it. So that's the four a's is that step wise process. And in my book, I teach different places, different techniques in each section of how to and you can take any life cho I taught it from a health challenge point of view and TA M fascinating.
Can you talk a little bit about the medicine will because you do have quite a bit of information on it. Was this part of your shamanic training using the medicine will. The parts that were part of the shamanic training were the perceptual states and the directions. Those are the directions are used in Native American and Celtic. And then the perceptual states were taught by Alberto. And then there are elements and each of the directions is assigned to an element,
So those things are traditionally taught by other other teachers. And then again it's this spiral journey through steps with the symbolism of gaining knowledge with each step. And then I intuited the two the forays and the medicine wheel of inner tasks. So this is all the stuff that you have developed on your own as you've been practicing. Yes, wonderful, All right, Hey, how can people get more information? You have a wonderful website, by the way,
I just had a chance to look at it. Give us the web give us the web address, and how people can learn more about your practice. Okay, doctor Sharon Martin dot com. Dr Sharon Martin dot com and how to contact me will be on there. And obviously buy my book because I think it's helpful. Just came out, my friends, it just came out today, So regulations fighting. It's really exciting. So I welcome anybody to
get in touch with me. That'd be great, wonderful. All right, Hey, thank you very much, and I'm really happy to have met you. You're I hope you're one of a many new breed of physician that is working with the old the old ways and incorporating it with your training. So thank you. Fun talking to you, yea so much. All right bye. I would hope at some point that the graduating classes of these allopathic colleges
have more tools, have more sensitivities, more awareness. I can't believe that the board of directors or the education board would welcome shamanic medicine into the general practice. I think that's too much to ask. But I think that when we began seeing scientific breakthroughs, scanning technology that begins to detect subtle energy feels like the aura, I like the Meridians and so forth and so on.
There is the proof that the body is more than just physical mass, that there's a subtle energy, bodies that are at work, and when they are identified, then medicine is forced to change. And I you know medicine. I mean, I've mentioned this many many times. My grandfather was a was an allopath. My cousin is an emergency room doc. I have nurses who are trained and allopathy, and there's a lot of good work that's being done,
but there's a huge, huge disconnect with this subtle body energy. And I've spoken with interviewed and featured physicians, allopathic physicians who are classically trained who have crossed over like Sharon, like doctor Martin in our program today, who recognize that they cannot practice healing without understanding these energy fields and also the other forms of healing that are available. So this is why I had sharing on
the program. She's very outspoken, and I want to mention off before the interview, she did remind me that if you listening audience have an issue, you can call her and she can help recommend different programs depending on where you live. The other thing is, and I mentioned this in the very beginning, when you are part of the corporate medical model, you're basically a number. Classic example here, I am having last September twenty eight heart issue,
rushed to the doctor. They inserted a stent into my coronary artery and recommended, you know, some lifestyle changes. But that was it. That was it. There was no discussion about what was in my going on with me emotionally. I never talked to my cardiologists until many, many many months after the procedure. And this is corporate medicine. It's disconnected from the patient and that's not how medicine should be, and that's not wellness at all. It's
it's totally disconnected. And this is a great deal of American or Western medical programs. This is what we get. This is where our dollars go. How in the hell it's in the billions of dollars is anyone's guests, Because it isn't really a positive wellness therapy or technique. It's in fact, it's
disconnected. And so I'm not going to harp on that too much. But when we begin to see other healing modalities, indigenous modalities, Chinese medicine, shamanic medicine, other forms of healing incorporated with allopathy, I think you're gonna have some real powerful healing techniques. And I guess my guess is once these discoveries are made. We mentioned briefly that alopathy is based on the scientific method, which is a problem. If you can't see it, it doesn't exist,
and that's a huge problem. So anyhow, I hope you enjoyed Sharon. I really liked her material. Get her book just came out, Maximize Your Healing Power Shamanic Healing Techniques to Overcome your health challenges. Real fun, easy read. She's a good writer. A great deal of the book. In the very first part is about her personal life, her experience as a young medical student. It's horrific. Well, I mean it's not horrific,
it's just you can't believe that they call that wellness medicine. It's just so disconnected from any help. Take a look at it, take a read, and go to her website, Sharon Doctor Sharon Martin dot com. It's a great website and follow up. Check it out. I think you're gonna enjoy it. And if you have a health problem and you're not happy with what's going on with your current physician, consider consider consider contacting her and seeing if she can help you. So there you go. As a reminder, we
have the Contact in the Desert series coming up real soon. This will be on Earth ancients as well as Destiny. This is a handful of individuals who have selected who are the cutting edge of new thought we're dealing with. Artificial intelligence is a topic, the UFO alien connection, the experiencers. These are people who are experiencing alien interaction or ET interaction on different levels. And also we're having a couple of people speaking on what is believed to be ET UFO
propulsion systems. Now, this is a whole new field of study. And the rumors are that they have a few hand down to UFO vehicles that they have begun to reverse engineer, and some of that is very positive. Some of the rumors are that some of the craft that we see as uapiece unidentified
aerial phenomenon are actual reverse engineered craft. Now that's that's kind of scary when when you consider that our own government, our own people are flying in crafts that are propulsion that have propulsion systems, propellants that are reverse engineered from off roll types. We don't they just tell us, just tell us you're flying the damn craft and you reversed engineered from from a down UFO. Oh too much to ask, I guess anyhow, it's the content in the Desert series.
I will be announcing that in the coming weeks I'll be down in Indian Springs, which is a suburb of Palm Springs, California, starting June first. I'll be there tell the fifth interviewing all kinds of interesting people. And this is a program that it allows you in the door a chance to hear from these exceptional individuals the latest thoughts on a variety of very very interesting topics. And it's part of the Destiny and Earth Ancients program, so look forward
to that. All right. I want to thank my guests today, doctor Sharon Martin, coming to us from Philadelphia. As always, thanks to the team of Ruth Thomas, Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys, you guys rock it. You do rock and I appreciate it. All right, take care of you well and we will talk to you next time. The