Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, this is Cliff. How you doing. I hope you're doing well today. This is the beginning of a three part series called an Alien Experience, and we've been talking a lot about off world types. We've had doctor av Lobe here looking for probes. We've had evidence of civilizations on Mars. We've even had discussions on some of the latest images from Air Force fighters taking pictures of UAPs
UFOs. We've had some information from former intelligence officers working for the Department of Defense discussing alien craft in the possession of our government of the United States, and evidence of the bodies of the pilots of these vehicles. A while ago, we had a NASA astronomer talking about his experience taking images of UAPs UFOs in his area of southern California. And up until now, we've talked about
disclosure first contact, what that means in a hypothetical setting. Today we're talking about something entirely different. We're talking about Earth humans who have had face to face contact with civilizations from other planets. In the late nineteen eighties, there
was a group of people who were experiencing contact with ets extraterrestrials. We didn't know about it until authors like Bud Hopkins, who wrote a book called Intruders, doctor John Mack who wrote a book called Abductions Human Encounters with Aliens, and also another author named David Jacobs who wrote a book called Secret Life.
These three authors were among the leaders in the movement of alien abductions that seemed to be prevalent in the late nineteen eighties into the nineteen nineties, and by what they described were people who had been contacted by aliens and put into a trance or sedated and brought into UFOs or UAPs. Today, what's unique about these individuals is that they were in some cases given complete physicals, and within those physicals, skin was removed, hair follicles, semen, blood saliva.
At first, it seemed like these were just simple tests to determine the type of human they were dealing with. But as time went on and these people were interviewed, many of the women were being fertilized with in mutual fertilization, they were impregnated, and here we get into a whole different type of interaction where the people who are experiencing this phenomenon are being subjected to experiments without their consent, and many times these events were traumatizing, and most of the cases
that are featured in the books that I've mentioned, the individuals were sedated to the point where they didn't remember what had happened, and the only evidence of their events was the fact that they had scoop marked in their skin from the devices that took skin samples. They had pain, and in the case of many of the women, they became pregnant and had all the signs of a pregnancy, menstreul cycles, ending morning sickness, and the obvious abdominal growth of
a pregnancy. A number of people have inquired if the government is involved. It doesn't seem likely, but there are speculations. There's a lot of theories that there is an agreement with the government and these aliens to choose certain people to abduct and to run experiments on. Now, this doesn't sound very positive at all, And today we're going to hear from one of these abductees who actually had a number of visits and interactions with what are known as grays.
These are small beings with large heads and large dark eyes. They're four feet tall. This is the typical gray alien. We'll get into more about where they come from their vehicles later in the program, but the important aspect of these contacts is that they are directed at specific individuals, and apparently it's been going on for decades or if not longer, it might be centuries. We don't know why. Sometimes these people are told why they are being subjected to
these tests and impregnated what can only be considered hybrid children. These are children that are part alien and part human. Today we're going to hear from an abductee whose life has been altered because of these contacts. I haven't mentioned this abduction phenomenon until now, but in the late nineteen nineties I was the program director for a national conference called Whole Life Expo I featured by Hopkins, doctor John Mack, and later David Jacobs. This was years ago. This was
almost twenty five years ago that these authors were around. Now David Jacob is the only one who's still alive. Doctor John Mack passed away as well as as well as Bud Hopkins. But this phenomenon is still happening. We don't hear about it because it's not being reported in the same manner that these three authors reported this phenomenon. So I want you to listen closely to my guest today, and in the coming weeks we'll have two additional guests that make up
the series an Alien Experience. So this is happening. We are experiencing contact with off world beings, and it's important to be open to this information, to listen careful to the experience that these people have and determine if this is a evolutionary process that's going on, or determine whatever you feel is the end result of these contacts. So my guest today is Deborah Jordan Cobbole and the
program is Extraordinary Contact. I discovered the whole alien abduction UFO et visitation phenomenon as a program director for Whole Life Expo in the nineteen nineties. I don't want to say ninety six is when I started. Ninety seven, and at that time the only way we knew about this phenomenon was through people like Bud
Hopkins, David Jacobs, and the brilliant doctor John Mack. I was fortunate enough to have all three of them on a number of different shows here in San Francisco, but of the three, Bud Hopkins became my favorite, and Bud would join me when we would do shows in Atlanta, Georgia, in Seattle, in Chicago, and then he would come back to San Francisco quite regularly. And he was noted for a number of books, but the most
noted for me was Intruders. And this book outlined a series of individuals who he actually keyed on, and he outlined the details that they were going through and really I think was the figurehead of the phenomenon of alien abductions. Now, my guest today is featured in his book Intruders, but he protect her. He called her Kathy Davis and gave her this name because he didn't want her to be overwhelmed. And also I don't think at the time she was
prepared for what he was unveiling on her. On her, But I'm honored to have Deborah Jordan Cabal, otherwise known as Kathy Davis as my guest today. And she has written a new book called Extraordinary Contact Life Beyond Intruders, where she actually goes through specifics of not only the contact phenomenon, but you're
going to get an earfull today. She has been going through what can only be considered normal phenomenon for a number of years, and it's hard to know if this is all connected or not, but I have really wanted to have her on the program, and it so happens that I met her at a local UFO con conference here last year, and I said, Deborah, we got to get you on the podcast because we want to hear more about it. So, Hey, deb welcome to Destiny. Great to see you,
Great to see you again, clip thanks for inviting me. I want to ask you, Roff, off the top of your head, though, do you do these conferences like on a regular basis because you're in where are you, by the way, where you located. I'm in Indiana. You're in Indiana. So to come out in San Francisco, that's not that's like five four or five hours and then sit behind your you know, do your talk and then sit down and citing some books. You have to have a passion
to want to do that. Well I do. I don't do it very often. You know. I've been involved in this whole phenomenon, you know, in public for about forty years now, believe it or not. I can't believe it's been forty years since the incident that sparked intruders. But and I've never really been one to like to be I don't know, I'm like one of those people that likes to sit in the back and listen and watch, you know. But I do feel compelled every now and then I get
asked. In the past, I got asked more than I do now because but it's been forty years. There's a lot of people that have no idea who I am, don't even know who Bud is. There's a whole new generation in this field now. So I'd get asked in about fifty percent of time or more. I say no, thank you. I just don't feel
comfortable, you know, whatever happens to be going on in life. But every now and then I feel kald, like something tells me I need to go do this because there's somebody there I either need to meet or needs to hear something that I'm going to say that's going to help them, you know. So I follow that instinct. This year, actually I did two things. I did the thing in San Francisco, and then I went to Michigan and I spoke at the Michigan UFO con up there. So I mean two
things in one year that's unheard of for me. I worked in automotive factory for fifteen years and I had, like, you know, I had two weeks vacation every year, but one of them I had to hope for the July shutdown. So technically I literally had one week a year I could do something with, So, you know, was that limited me? Also?
You know, I wanted to It was funny because I had followed Bud and Jacobs and we had mac on and then his untimely death years ago, of course, but at the time, it was like, was this alien abduction in virtual fertilization program a one stop or is it still going on? And it seems to me and this conference helped me, and you helped me understand this is not stop. This phenomenon is still going on. And the curious thing about it is and you write about a little bit about this in your
book. Government seems to know something, but we just don't know what because they don't want to say we don't know. I mean, there's so much that is happening. What do you say about the phenomenon now? Well, I think there's a lot of things going on all around this, and you know, life has a way of distracting you from the obvious. A lot of times you get caught up in life and things happen around you you don't notice, and then then there's things like the June thirty eighty three thing that
happened that you can't help but notice. And obviously I believe that the governments of the world have noticed, and I think they know a lot more than they speak of. I mean, but I can say, you know, here in the last few years, I've heard more come from our government than I've heard in all the years before that that at least they acknowledge there's something they don't They say they don't know what it is. I kind of feel
like they might. They're still not talking about the abduction acts aspect of it all. That still seems to be kind of taboo. But I do believe they are full aware of it. And you know, I think there's a lot of different agendas, a lot of different things going on, and there's a lot of different agendas going on. And because I've heard a lot of different things from different people over the years, I can only speak about my
own personal experience. But I did have one experience where I I had memories of being taken to a place which I was taken to this place by a guy I was newly dating, and it ended up being a kind of a weird nightmare about going to some kind of hospital, being taken by people, not aliens, but people to some weird hospital that I felt was like under the ground, because I felt like I was going down when I couldn't see.
I was blindfolded. And I remember the man. I remember his face, and I remember his accent that he had, and I will never forget it. He was an older man, probably in the sixties. He had a ruddy face, he had white hair, like gray white hair, and he had a very deep southern draw and he told me that he didn't know why he was bothering to even to tell me any of this because I wouldn't
remember it anyway. And I said, I will always remember this, and then I was out, and the next thing I remember is I'm waking up in my friend's cottage at the lake. So I mean, but these were people, and that was a that was a one time thing. I've never had that before. I've never had that since. But and I've had some
strange people knock on my door. One time, I had a man nice dress suit, knock on my door in the middle of the day and he told me that he'd gotten my address from Bud, which I immediately knew that was not true. Oh you're right about this. No, yeah, And you know, he just had one question to ask me, and then I answered him because I don't I don't care. But I've always been you know, if you want to know, ask me if I know, I'll tell
you. If I don't, I'll tell you I don't know, But don't sneak around behind me and try to be y all spooky and I don't mind that. Yeah, So you know, I've had a couple of weird experiences with people. But I want to talk a little bit before we talk about the books based on an event June thirtieth, nineteen eighty three. But before we talk about that, I want to go back because you outline a number of encounters with off world types, and you specifically talk about an encounter in
April of nineteen seventy eight when two grays came into your bedroom. Talk a little bit about that you were, how old at that time and what was the circumstance I was. I believe I was eighteen. You're eighteen. I believe I was eighteen or nineteen. I think eighteen. A new just got married that April. I had just gotten married, and my husband and I were living in an attic apartment in the downtown Indianapolis. And it was not
a dream, I insisted to you. And I woke my husband up the next day and told him, you know, but anyway, we were in bed. He was asleep next to me and had his back to me, and I was awakened by these two things that were kind of appearing in my bedroom at the foot of my bed, and they came toward the foot of my bed, and I remember sitting up and thinking, oh my god, don't touch me like that. Just terrified instinct that you immediately want to think,
you know. And I and again husband lay next to me, never never moved, and at some point in this encounter, one of them had a black box in his hands, about the size of a shoe box, I think, and I either had a red light in it on top of it, you know, where I could see the red light or inside it coming out, but there was a red light on top and it just kind of floated over towards me. Because once I had that panic, and I was sitting up. Then I suddenly I was not afraid anymore, and I
don't know why. I just this calmness came over me. And I remember saying to this thing, what is you know? What is this? Can I have this? Can I keep this? And he said no, but you'll remember what it is and how do you use it, you know, when you see it again. And then he took it back and then they kind of just backed away and dissolved out of the room. These are classic gray descriptions, So give us a sense of what that is. About three
feet high, a little bit maybe a little bit taller than that. I'm five foot two, okay, so I mean they weren't terribly much. I'm going to say maybe four feet tall or something like that. The bulbous head, big black eyes. They had black whatever they were wearing was black from head to toe, from neck to you know, foot. Well, as
far as I know, all I could see was black. I don't even remember seeing feet actually, But they and they both moved in unison toward me like they were one unit, but only one of them spoke, the one closer to me. Okay. They had kind of a pale color, skin, a small chin, big black eyes that were real, like I always said, they were like liquidity, and they they would like catch all the light in the room and throw it back at you, kind of mesmerizing in
that way. Yeah. But and I don't remember speaking words. I don't remember using my mouth. I don't remember seeing them use the mouth. But I knew what they were saying. I knew they were talking to me, and I was speaking to them in the same way. I don't really telepathically thinking. I was thinking that at them. Yeah, and they but it was like speaking, it was speaking. Yes, it was weird. But so they took their box back, they slid back away from my bed,
and they just kind of dissolved. They got skinny, and just poof, they were gone. So what would you say the full time? Was it like ten minutes? Was it five minutes? Or hard to say because they kind of been time, So it's I don't I don't know. I have no idea how long they were there. I can't really even guess the whole scenario. As I tell it, that doesn't seem like more than a few
minutes, but I'm not sure. Anyway, as soon as they're gone, I'm moving, and I remember rolling over and shoving Charlie and saying, wake up, wake up, you gotta get up. You got to hear this. And he would not wake up no matter what I did, and I got frustrated. And then I got very tired, and I thought, oh well, and I slid down in the bed and I went to sleep, which I also I also realized, sounds bizarre, but I did. I just laid down and fell asleep. But when I woke up the next morning,
I remembered all of it. I mean, it was so. I was so, I was amped up. So when Charlie was up, I was telling him, you're not going to believe what happened in our room last night. I tried to wake you and you wouldn't wake up. And I was telling him, and I remember him laughing at me. He's like, what what did He says, what did you eat for dinner last night? Because you might not want to eat that anymore? Yeah, And I'm like
whatever he thought. He you know, he's like, you said a dream, and I'm like, it was not a dream, dude, I'm telling you, it was not a dream. So I called my mother because she always was more uh, supportive, you know, of all of us kids. I called my mom and I told her about it, and she's like, yeah, that's weird, you know. She didn't really say, oh,
come on, that's that can't be real or anything. But years and years later, when Bud came to the house for the first time and to start the investigation after he answered my letter, one of the things he asked my mom and dad and other family members is can you remember other weird things? And my mom told him, oh, yeah. When she called me the next morning, she was adamant that it was not a dream. She was wide awake and it, you know, so she remembered it. She
remembered it when I called and everything. Okay, I still don't know what the black box was for. I don't know if I saw it again or not. So, you know, even though this being is saying you'll be able to use it, you never fought he never followed up and gave it to you on any of the subsequent encounters. No, that's strange that maybe it's going to come it's coming up. I don't know. I'm still here, you know, hopefully I'll be around a little while longer, so I
want to talk before we get into this eighty three incident. I want to talk about the strange life that you have, the paranormal activities. One of the things that John Mack chronicles in his early book Abduction is the fact that it seems like this is a generational phenomenon that the parents, the grandparents, and the people before that may have had contact in some way or another. Is that something that your mother has talked about. Has she seen anything to
the level that you have. Has your grandmother and previous relatives had any kind of phenomenon that's similar to what you've dealt with. Well, I did not know it at the time, but then when Bud came and was talking to everybody, my mom mentioned, Now, my mother was adopted when she was two, so we don't really know anything about her, you know, her blood family, we don't know much about them, and of course my parents
are both gone now. But she did tell Bud that what she remembered once when she was very young, playing in the woods and being chased by a little boy with big brown eyes, and for some reason she was afraid of him, and she didn't know why, and she remembered chase being chased by him and yeah, I think Bud might have asked her, did you want to explore that in hypnotherapy, and she was perhaps, no, thank you, so, but I didn't even Yeah, I didn't even know that.
I didn't even know anything about that. Mom hadn't mentioned that. Of course, my older sister, she's eleven years older than me, she had an
experience in sixty five where she was actually fully conscious and picked up. She took Mom to bingo one night one afternoon, dropped Mom off at the bingo game, and then felt compelled to pull into the church parking lot down the road from where she'd dropped Mom off, and she pulled in, went to the back of the This was in the daylight too, in Indianapolis again, and she said, when she got back to the parking lot in the back, she looked up and there was this giant ufo over her car, right
over her car, and it literally picked her whole car up with her in it. And then the next thing she remembers is being waking up in her car in the parking lot. That thing is gone, but it's dark, and not only is it dark, but several hours had passed and it's time to pick Mom up. From the bingo game. So she goes, yeah,
this was in nineteen sixty five, and she talked about this. When you know, me and my brother and sister, my little brother and sister, we heard her and we just assumed that that, you know, was something that happened to people. We didn't know how, you know, extraordinary and unusual it was. And then my dad always claimed that he was psychic, you know, my my grandma always said that my dad was psychic.
But and then of course my two kids had some strange things happened to them when they were little at the house that the June thirty, eighty three incident
happened. And just recently, after all these years, I got a text message or an email from my cousin, my first cousin that I hadn't spoken to in years, who said that he had seen me on a television show or something, or on a podcast telling the story about the Mark of the art, and he just wanted to tell me that I wasn't the only one in the family who had seen strange things, and that he was proud of me for speaking up, and he was proud that I was his cousin and
carry on, Oh my god, and I was like, what you never told me? What are you doing? Yeah? I apparently had conversations with my father about the mark in the art and about other things you know that I wasn't aware of. He's a few years older than me, so and our families kind of spread out, so we're not super close, you know. But that was shocking. I was surprised. Okay, so that's interesting. So there is some connection. Mom doesn't want to go under hypnosis to
really find out what's going on. I don't blame her. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of nerve wracking. If you can avoid it, you probably should. We need to let people know that what we're about to describe and your physical encounters are not sanctioned by you. In other words, you're not signing a piece of paper or agreeing to this. You're being
forced into these encounters. And this is why the term abduction is used unless you have another description for it. I think that's the term abduction and unsanctioned. No, I was not looking for it, no way. One question before we get into this June event, is there one being that you see over and over again, kind of somebody who maybe as a young person came into your reality and said, hi, you know, I'll be back, or was always there to kind of comfort you even though you're going through these
horrific procedures. Every time I had a contact with these grays, there was one who seemed familiar to me, whom I could feel something from, you know, like an energy or a vibe, like when you're with a person. And then there were a bunch that just were like blanks, like I never I got I never got any you know, feelings of anything from any of the other ones. But there was always this one, and he always
felt like the same one. I wouldn't be able to tell any of them part truthfully, And I also wouldn't even be able to tell whether they were male or female. I mean, they were all the same, but kind of asexual. Perhaps we know no, but this there was always that one that felt familiar, and I don't know. Maybe it was to make me feel more comfortable and allow things to happen. I don't know. Okay, So what we know of grays from the various land I don't think anyone has.
I mean, we've seen pictures of them. We don't know if they're cgi or whatever. These are beings from another planetary system. Obviously they're gray. Do they seem intelligent? I mean, obviously they're intelligent. Do they seem like they are biological? Do you do you think that they are robots?
What do you describe them as best you can from your memory, because there's a lot of talk that grays are manufactured beings and that they're they're not actual, you know self, They're not born, they're created, is what I hear. So, you know what, I don't know your impression. My impression was I thought they were alive because they were moving around and doing stuff like a live body, you know. But I don't even know if
they're from another planet. Uh, there are the things I've seen, and once I have think about it, it's like that, you know, they might be from another dimension, you know, or time travelers, or live right here on this planet in some other place we don't see, like the bottom of the ocean or something. I don't, you know, I don't know where they come from. Uh, they look like they're alive to me, but I don't know for sure. Uh there's we build androids now that
look pretty dang real, you know. I mean, you can still tell their robots, but they look pretty close and we're not going to get anywhere, but better doing that as time passes. So I mean, who's to say that that they, you know, didn't make some helpers and their own image, you know, like we are doing. I don't know. I mean that's just my opinion or my observation. But I mean they seem to be able to ben our physics and science and pass through walls and materialize and
deed materialize, and we don't have anything close to that. So obviously they are from some reality or world that has very advanced science. When you say, yeah, I would think they maybe it's their science is just different. Maybe our our physics, our science doesn't work where they live, you know, so you feel they could be earthbound in some capacity, maybe some of them. I don't think it's out of the realm of possability that there's stuff
living on this planet we haven't encountered yet. And if they're anywhere smart and they've observed us and how we treat each other, they're very smart to day, oh right, wherever they're at and not interact, I wouldn't good. God, But you know that's a different show. Okay, let's set the stage for this encounter. June thirtieth, nineteen eighty three. Why don't you give us the background and let us give us the facts. I was living with my parents at the time. I was a single mom and I had
two little boys. I was preparing to go and cut some patterns out for a friend of mine who's the seemstress to live the street behind us. I was standing at the kitchen sink looking out the window, washing my hands, ready to leave, and I noticed the light in the pump house at the swimming pool. Mom and dad had a big swimming pool in the backyard. We called it the cement pond, like the Beverly Hill billyge you know esther William Pool. And I had a pretty good sized pumphouse next to it.
And the light was on inside the door was open, and I thought, that's wrong. Something isn't right here. And I mentioned it to my mom and she didn't seem to be concerned about it. Dad was working second shift at the ford plant there, and she said he'll get it when he gets home, so I didn't. I went ahead and got in my car, and right before I left, I decided to go down the side drive to the back behind the swimming pool was a turnaround and that's where my dad's workshop
was. It was full of Indian motorcycles and little British race cars that he restored. So there's a lot of money back there. And I was thinking about burglars and prowlers and things like that, not aliens. But I was concerned that I was going to leave Mom and the kids there, so I thought i'd drive back through there and just have a look real quick before I went. And I noticed at that point the pedestrian door to the garage was
open. This was garage attached to the house and the house was a sandstone tri level. But instead of stopping, I just went ahead to dans. It took like two minutes and I called her, called my mom, and I said, hey, I noticed the pedestrian door the garage was open. I don't you know, I don't know if you opened it or what. She said, don't worry about it. Your dad will get it when he gets home. And I'm like, okay. So I hung up the phone
and she called right back right away. She called back and she said, I need you to come home right now, and she sounded scared, which was not like my mom, because my mom was not easily scared, and I was a little upset by that. I'm like, why, what's going on? And I know my friend's husband heard me because he leaned over my shoulder and he said, tell her to call the police. That's what we pay him for. And she heard him and she said, no, I don't want anyone here but you. And I'm like, okay, I'll be
there in a minute. So I told my friends, I'm gonna go check it out and I'll be right back. So I went home and I pulled
that side drive again. At this time, I parked and I got out, and my mom met me at the Florida door, the door of the Florida and my dad built, and I went in there and I grabbed the shotgun that dad had next to the trash compactor, and my mom says, you know that's not loaded, right, And of course, when I moved in there with the kids, I had specifically asked please don't leave your loaded shotguns around them, so I knew it wasn't loaded. And I told her,
I said, I know it, but they don't. Whoever's out there, I can get close enough to them to hit him. With them before they figure it out. So you know, to me, it was a stick. But I went out there, and this is all out of character for me as well, because I was a young kid, you know, twenty three, twenty four years old, not brave at all. I would have never done that under any other circumstances. Now I would, but back then no. So I went out looking around. I went back by the
workshop to make sure it was secure and it was. I found my dog, who had been in the garage under dad's ladder truck and she would not come out. I checked around the pool, the pump house. Everything looked normal. I walked across the yard and I went to the pedestrian door of the garage, and while I was in there looking for someone, I suddenly felt like I was My body was on fire. It was like a hot flash to the nth degree, and my skins felt like I was burning.
And I remembered thinking, oh my god, I got to get out of here, and I turned to run through the open pedestrian door, and when I did, something hit me in the chest like I guess solar plexus area, you know, chest belly, and it was like an intense ball of light and it spread through my whole body, and all I could see was this intense white light, and I could feel everything on me start to shake.
I could feel it was like a it went from a shaking to a vibrating to it felt like I was actually coming apart, molecule by molecule, like I could feel every molecule my body vibrate, and I saw all I could see was this intense whiteness everywhere, and I thought to myself, oh my god, I'm dead. And as soon as I thought that, it stopped. And I have no idea how long that went on or what condition, you know, how long that condition was. But when it finally stopped
and I could open my eyes, I still couldn't move. But I realized I was now outside the door, on the cement patio, maybe twenty feet or so, and or ten feet when that big but I was outside. I don't even I don't remember walking from the doorway to the patio that I could see movement in front of me out in the yard, people walking around.
Then it was children. It looked like little kids in the backyard, coming from all different directions, and they all kind of lined up over by the driveway, to my left by the swimming pool where the gate was, and then they all just kind of slid forward towards me, not at me,
but like in my direction, and I still couldn't move. At one point, I felt someone pulled down on my shoulder from behind, but I didn't see anybody, and I felt this burning sensation in my ear, and then I heard somebody say it was unfortunate for me that I had felt pain, but I couldn't see who said that. And I'm watching these little kids, and I'm thinking, what are these little kids doing in my mom and
dad's backyard, you know, what the hell is going on? And as I'm watching them, then I see this ball of light about the size of a basketball. It's about as high up off the ground as I am I'm five two, and it went down real slow and then came back up, and I felt like it was looking at me, but I don't know why. And that's when I noticed this egg shaped craft for lack of a better term, I don't know what it was, and I don't even remember seeing
the kids go into it. I don't even remember what happened to them. I just as soon as I saw that thing, it was like, you know, you know, and I'm like, I didn't want to look at it, but I didn't not want to look at it because I need to know where it was and if it was coming near me, you know, and I don't It wasn't. It was small. It wasn't much bigger than the pump house, and I estimated maybe it was ten feet tall. Maybe
it was egg shaped. It was egg shaped, and it had four long, skinny things coming out the sides of it, but I wouldn't say they were legs because they didn't look strong enough to support it any anyway. But maybe I kind of thought maybe at one point it wasn't completely on the ground, because it kind of bobbled a little, wavered a little bit, but it could, you know. So I don't know if those things were supposed to stabilize it or what. I don't know. I'm just guessing in my
head because I don't know what any of this is. But when I see the little kids, I thought, oh my god, my kids reminded me that my kids were in the house with my mother, and what the hell is going to happen to them? You know? And then I hear that voice again that says your children are fine. Well. The next thing I remember, I hear my name being called. And as soon as I heard my name being called, it was like somebody snapped their fingers and I woke
up and all this went away and I could turn. I moved. I remember turning towards the voice and walking towards the steps up to the higher patio, and there was my mother and she kind of had her head hanging halfway out the kitchen door, and she's like, is everything okay? And I said, yes, everything's cool. But at that point no longer wanted to go and cut out patterns. So I called my friend and I'm like,
want to come over and go swimming instead, and she's like sure. I can't remember whether I went back and got them where they I think they just came over her and her daughter. It was like thirteen or fourteen at the time. So we all walked across the yard got in the pool. I forget everything I just told you. All that was wiped away from my mind.
But I felt weird. I didn't feel good, and by the time we were all out in the pool for ten minutes, we were all real nauseated and my eyes started burning really bad, and I started seeing halos around all the lights outside. So they went home and the next day I woke up my eyes or swelled completely shut. So Mom took me to the emergency room, and I don't know why, but for some reason, there was actually an ophthalmologist in there, and he says, I have an office across
the street. Can you take her over there? I can examine her better there I have the equipment. So Mom took me over there, and the first thing he says that have you looked into the arc of a welder's torch? And I'm like, no, why would I do that? You know, not telling him about this intense white light and everything, because at that point I didn't remember it. But a few days later, the family came
over for a Fourth of July cookout. Everybody was outside. The kids ran outside, and my oldest nephew came back in and said, Grandma, there's something wrong with your yard. What's wrong with your yard? So we went outside and my mom says, oh, that's where our UFO landed the other night, and they were laughing. She kind of giggled, and I remember looking at her saying, thinking, what is wrong with you? Why would
you say that. We're gonna take a s commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will be right back with my guest today, Deborah Jordan Cobble, discussing her new book, Extraordinary Contact. Be right back. My guest today is Deborah Jordan Cobble, who has written a new book called Extraordinary Contact Life Beyond Intruders. This is the story of her interaction with aliens and the subsequent birth of her daughter through a in vitro fertilization process that
she endured. Wait a minute, your mom said that. My mother, so she must have seen it without the kitchen window. My mother, she didn't tell me why she called me home for like a week. Then she tells me. She tells me a week later. She's like, you know,
I just remembered why I called you to come home that night. And I'm like why, And she said, well, I was standing here at the window and I saw this ball of light around the bird feeder, about the size of a basketball, but it was real soft, and I thought it was a flashlight beam or a car headlight that was doing it. And I was looking and she goes, it got smaller and smaller and smaller, and then when it disappeared, poop, That's what I got in my head
that you needed to come home right now. And I'm like, well, hell, if i'd have known that, I don't know, that might have changed things, you know, But she didn't even remember that for like a week. Yeah, my mother's the one who said that. So I'm thinking, what the heck's wrong with her? And then as I'm looking at the mark, it's like someone slapped me in my face, and it's like I
woke up. It was like I remember I started. I remembered the light, I remember being hit in the chest, I remember the pain, I remember the kids, I remember the egg thing. I mean, all of the memories started flooding back. And then, you know, for days and days after that, other memories started coming back of weird things that happened in my life that I just had chalked away, and you know, one of them being the incident we talked about earlier when I was first married, and
then another time as a teenager. And then I had picked up a book called Missing Time. Several months prior to June third, eighty three, I got in the library. I used to go to the library all the time, because it was free and I like to read, and I like to read books to my kids, and I'd picked up this book not fully understanding
what it was about, but quickly enough did. I tried to read that book several times, and I to this day have never finished it because I was too much too I would have a panic attack, and I a couple of times I ended up at the emergency room because I thought I was having a heart attack. Oh, it was really upsetting for you to really freaking me out. Yes, okay, you know finding My mom's like, you don't take that book back library. We can't keep doing that. I'm like,
I know, how do you think I feel? So? But I did remember that in the back of that book there was an address where you could write to the guy who wrote this book if you felt you had this kind of experience and you wanted to talk to somebody about it. And I'm like, I definitely want to talk to somebody about it. I want this to go away. I want you to tell me there's explanations for this,
you know. So I wrote him this like fourteen page letter and a bunch of polaroids, and my mom eventually mailed the letter and then he called and from that point on it was like a three year long investigation. I sold my I sold my washing and dryer that I'd put in storage to get a bus ticket to go to New York and then he came to People have to realize back then there wasn't the internet. There wasn't even cell phones. The
way was eighty three. Well it was the end of eighty three. We had snail mail and well timed brief after six pm long distance phone calls. It only last five minutes because we couldn't afford anything else, you know, so I did. I sold my washing drier for a bus ticket. I was desperate for help, and this halfway there on the bus, I almost jumped off the bus because I thought to myself and I am about having a
panic attack. What in the hell is wrong with you? You're going all the way to New York City to meet some guy who wrote about aliens. He could be an axe murderer. You're a mother. What is wrong with you? This is stupid. Get off the bus. Don't do this, you know, Yeah, but I didn't. And as soon as I got off the bus, but immediately takes me to doctor Kolmar's office in the city. That's the psychiatrist, so he probably had thoughts about that about me too,
you know. And I met with doctor Komar, the psychiatrist, and we talked, and she actually even hypnotized me a little bit just to relax me. It was nothing. Nothing came out of it. But you think he took you there because he wanted to evaluate if you were crazy or not. I think, yeah, schizophrenic or something. Well, I think he wanted he never said this, this is my I feel like he just wanted to make sure he was about to invite me into his home with his wife
and kid. Okay, you know, I wouldn't hold it against the man if he didn't want to make sure I wasn't some kind of nutjob, you know, which I was already feeling crazy eventually, I want to say real quickly. You know, my eyes were wrecked and I couldn't see a lot of detail that night, and it took weeks for them to heal. I went far sighted immediately, which I had never worn glasses before, and by the time I was in my thirties, I was diagnosed with cataracts and macular
degeneration. I have acrylic lenses replaced from the cataracts were so bad now in my eyes, and I'm you know, I have to be monitored very closely every six months now because of this macular degeneration that started in my thirties. And I blame that night, even though I can't prove it. I will always say that wrecked my eyes. But I don't think it was an intentional injury. I think it was something that I want to ask you a real
quick question. Do you think they were shooting some kind of a paralyzing beam at you? Or was this the radiation from the ship. Do you believe it was the cause of your eye damage. Whatever that light was, I feel is what damaged my eye, but I don't know what it was. So I mean, I don't know if it was radiation or a light beam or they did something, and I don't know. Okay, I have no idea, all right, So I go to back to Bud. So,
okay, you get cleared by the psychiatrist. So then ensues this this three year investigation. He comes out to our house several times on his own dime, and he interviews neighbors. He finds two independent witnesses from that night who you know. He took soil samples to have them checked. And incidentally, I still have soil samples from that mark in the yard. But I can't get anybody to look at him. No one cares anymore, and of course
they're years old. So yeah, I've done I want to check for radiation of something. Well, I don't know, but I still have them that. You know, he did all that. He interviewed people. He interviewed my friends. Uh, he interviewed other family members, other family friends, neighbors, my boss at the time. Yeah, my mom, Mamy's going around knocking on doors at the neighbors. My Mom's like, oh my god, the neighbors are going to think we're crazy. But you know, it
is what it is. And then I remember going to New York. He had made arrangements. I don't know if somebody paid for it or he got them to do it for free, donations paid for it or what. Uh. But I had a brain one of those things where they put wires on your head in the EEG right at the hospital there in New York. I had I think a cat scan with a diet contrast in my of my brain. They were looking for brain tumors, epilepsy, any other physical reasons why
I might had have had this episode. I took. I had six hours of psychological testing, verbal and written, and I remember telling the psychiatrists it's okay if you tell me then I'm crazy, because they make pills for that and I am more than happy to take a pill that that means that this isn't going to happen again, my friend. I mean so that I was there seeking help. I wanted to be normal. I wanted to have a
normal life. I wanted my kids to have a normal life. I had little kids, okay, and I was looking for help and I thought this guy could give it to and he did. He hooked me up with a buddy like right away buddy system that I could call anytime something was feeling weird. And I mean he did a lot of things. He wasn't only an artist, but he knew to reach out to the professionals in different fields to
help him through guide the way. You know. Okay, so can we let's talk about what came up in these hypno therapy sessions specifically about Emily. But if you could go back as early as you can remember leading up to this procedure, impregnation and so forth. Well that I didn't recall a lot of details through any of the hypnotherapy that I did with Bud, And I think I only maybe did five sessions because, like I said, I lived a thousand miles away in Indiana and he was in New York, and it
just wasn't you know, we just couldn't do that many. But the when I you know, when I found out I was pregnant, Back before all this happened, I didn't think of this at all, any any of this, you know, uffo or aliens or any of that stuff. I didn't want to be pregnant. I was engaged to Charles and we were eight. Yeah I wasn't, Yeah I was. I was engaged. We had just
gotten engaged and we're going to get married in June. And when I found out I was pregnant, we moved the date to April so I wouldn't be big because you didn't do that back then, you know, it was a different time. So I went to the doctor, got confirmed that I was, you know, pregnant, and we tried to figure out when I had gotten pregnant. I thought I got pregnant Christmas time, he thought it was
sooner than that. I mean, you know, I'd gotten pregnant earlier than that, which we fell into a November experience that I had that year with two girlfriends out driving around in the country spying on her. We were spying on her boyfriend and make sure he was where he said he was going to be. And I saw a light in the sky and I pointed out to the two girls, the driver and the girl on the back. You know,
I'm like, look at that. There was a UFO And I kind of laughed because I didn't think it was the UFO at the time when I first saw it. Then I started doing weird stuff, and the little girl in the back seat started freaking out, and it got closer and closer and was really doing weird stuff. And then the next thing I remembered was UH being pulled out of the car, but the car was like enveloped in this
black smoke, so I couldn't see anything. The strange thing is, years later, when Bud came back to UH do the investigation, the driver of the car, who was a friend of mine at the time, we found her and he was able to interview her. And when we got to the house. He goes, well, I want to ask you about this night that you and Debbie and this other girl were out driving around spying on Kenny.
I want to talk to you about the light and the sky And she said, you mean the light and the sky are the one on the ground. And I looked over at her, and Bud looked at me because I didn't even remember that the light had come to the ground. She goes, oh, yeah, I pulled over and got out of the car and I'm
like, what you know, and she goes, yeah. The next thing I remember is we're driving driving home and the son is about to come up, and she is I'm thinking to myself, Oh my god, my mom and dad are going to be awake, and we're gonna get caught being out in this late. We had to and we did literally climbed in the back bedroom window to get in the house so they wouldn't know that we had been out all night. And he asked her at that point, would you like
to do some hypnotherapy and see if you can remember more. She's like, uh no, She goes, I haven't remembered this for fifteen years, and I think I'm going to be just fine, not remembering it, so no, thank you, but it just shows she remembered more that night than I
did, but in hypnotherapy. In the hypnotherapy, in one of the sessions that night is when I remembered being subjected to some kind of a gynecological examination that was painful and traumatic, and I could see those big black eyes part of that were was already already remembered in what I called, you know, when I had dreamed of it, and then I always called it dreams because this doesn't fit in my work. I mean, if you think this happens, you crazy. It had to be a dream. It couldn't be real.
This can't be real. It's one of the things I told the psychiatrists and at that hospital. You know, it's okay if you tell me I'm crazy. But I didn't mention any of that to Bud at the time when he was doing the investigation until one night he and I were sitting in the driveway at my house, at my mom and dad's house we had gone to.
Actually he was meeting somebody else that had a siting, you know, I think it was in Greenfield, Indiana, a few years prior to that, and I took him out there to meet her and she anyway, we were sitting in the I kept thinking about this pregnancy because when I went back to the doctor after I realized that something was wrong and I was no longer pregnant, and the doctor had told me and my mother, we see this all the time. You're young, you'll have other kids. My advice to
you is to just forget this ever happened. What was a time frame from this procedure, having the doctor acknowledge your pregnancy and then losing the pregnancy that that happened in November? In late November, the event with the two girls
and the procedure I found out. I think it was in February that I had a positive pregnancy test and the doctor thought I was farther along than I thought I was, or January or February, and then March is when I think it's March when I was no longer pregnant, just a few months. It wasn't very long, no, but it was long enough that, you
know, Charlie and I both had didn't want it. We weren't trying to get pregnant, but we're like, we accepted it, and I was starting to you know, I got my baby, and you know how women have a value. You're nurturing, hoping that you know, you're looking forward to
it and everything. Yeah, And then to wake up one morning after this nightmare and no, there's something wrong with my baby, but not being able to put my finger on it, and finally going to Planned Parenthood and getting a pregnancy test, and then going back to the family doctor and having a pelvic exam, and then having him tell my mother that My first thing my mom said when he said she's not pregnant, and my Mom's like, well, does she need a DNC? Yeah, yeah, miscarriage yeah, And
he said, no, she doesn't. Everything looks normal. And that's when he said to me, you're everything looks fine. You're young, I've seen this before, this happens. My best advice to you, just forget this ever happened. And of course the first thing in my head is I ain't never forritten this. But we never spoke of it again, and I didn't think of it until June thirty eighty three. That's one of the things that kept coming back in my mind when I saw that mark, and all these
memories started coming back. So when I got bud corner in the car one night. I don't know why I felt compelled to blurt this out. I had a baby and it disappeared. I mean, I was pregnant and it disappeared. And he and I could tell as soon as I saw face, I regretted it. I'm like, oh Jesus Christ, now you're going to think I'm insane. And I start crying, you know, and he's like, well, he felt bad and he was trying to comfort me, and he's like, I'm so sorry, and I'm like, I don't know why
I'm telling you. He says, what, you know, you could tell A look on his face was like, what does this have to do with me, you know, and this whole investigation. And I told him, I don't know why I feel compelled to tell you this, but I just do. And he I guess he got like he had gotten letters from women in the same boat that I had been in. Some were even farther along than me, And as far as I know, was just that one time.
But you know, I was wrestling with I don't understand why I'm feeling this connection to this whole thing, and I'm also wrestling with the fact that I lost a baby that I ended up wanting, you know, but it had That's the way it happened. And then I had dreams later where I actually saw her, as you know, a few years later, when she's
like able to stand up and walk. And I had a dream that I was picked up by these gray things again, was in some strange cavernous room, and they walk her in, two of these gray things on either side of her, holding her hand. And when this little, tiny little thing walks in and I see her, my immediate instinct is, oh my god, that's mine. And I wanted to jump up and grab her. And as soon as I thought that, she darted behind one of them, like
she was scared of me, like she heard what I thought. Wow it and it made me cry, and I thought, oh my god, she's afraid of me, you know, in retrospect, you know, if that's all you'd ever been used to in your life. And then you see this big horse like me and it wants to grab you. You know, I'm gonna be scared too. But and think about that, you know, till later. So when did you I mean, you must have seen this child a number of times. When did you feel that you wanted to name her
Emily. I we had it in our heads what we were gonna me and Charlie what we were going to name our baby, if it was a boy or a girl. Oh so you and your husband at the time had thought about this. Yeah, but it wasn't Actually it wasn't even Emily. That was a pseudonym as well. The actual name was Elizabeth. But I mean it doesn't matter anymore. But okay, yeah, uh hey, pseudonymed everything, even the place that it he was protecting you. He is not a
real place. That's he didn't want anybody to come out down and harass you, and god knows what would have happened back then, it was pretty unusual. So so you have these what you call dreams, which now sound like some form of anistism, ansticizing you and taking you on board. Do you remember ever being awake enough to pass through walls or anything to get into these ships or is it like they just knocked you out and all of a sudden
they wake you up again to see this this little baby. I don't remember. I don't ever have any memories of going into a ship or walking out of one. I have one time where I remembered standing somewhere and being told that I have to leave now, because if I stay much longer, I'm going to be I'm gonna get sick. But I don't actually, like, I don't remember seeing a ship and walking into it, or being taken into it or carried into it, or going through walls or being pulled out of
you know. I just I don't know. I just maybe I just pass out because I was so scared. I don't know. Yeah, I can, I can imagine at any time. Oh, let me ask you this first. When was the last time you saw this child? And at what age would you predict that she might have been at? I mean she have you seen her since she's grown into a teenager a young adult, or have you only seen her as a small child. I had something happened at the
apartment complex I lived in in Indianapolis on the East Side. And I'm trying to think of the year. It was in the nineties, so of course she would have been born in eighty two, so but I was it was during the day. I was sitting in my kitchen drinking a cup of coffee, have a cigarette, looking out the patio door, and I had a privacy fence, you know, but slats were kind of wide, cheap,
you know, you could see through the slats. And I looked up and I saw someone looking at me. I could see this eye and all this dark clothing and this white hair. And as I looked at the eye, I remember thinking, who are you? And then I thought what kind of parent dresses a kid in all black all the way down the shoes in the middle summer. And it something in me clicked and I'm like, oh my god, it's her. And I jumped up. And as I jumped up
to run through the door, she took off. So I jumped up, went through the patio door, opened up the gate, and I looked both ways behind the apartment buildings and there was no wady there. And I ran down to the edge and I ran down along the side where I could look through each row of buildings and to see if I could see her. And I never saw her again. I don't know where she went, but she
was there looking at me, and I feel like it was her. I can't prove that, obviously, but I just felt like that was her.
And that was the last time. And I'll be honest with you, there still was times for years after that, Like if I'd go to the grocery store, you know, or somewhere where there's a lot of people, and I happened to see somebody that had super white hair, which wasn't as popular then as it is now, you know, like like white headed, blonde blonde hair and blue eyes, and would I would look at them and I would think, is that her? And you know, I've talked to other
people that gave up babies for adoption. Ye And I've talked to other women who've done that, and they do the same thing. They think they see somebody and they wonder is that her, you know? Or is that him? But I do I did that for years. Amazing. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we'll be right back with my guest today, Debra Jordan Cobble discussing her new book,
Extraordinary Contact. We'll be right back. My guest today is Deborah Jordan Cabal, who has written a new book called Extraordinary Contact. Life Beyond Intruders, and this is her story of an abduction and her subsequent interaction with aliens. Did you ever get any advice or a defining period where they told you why this was happening to you, why they were taking the et sperm and your ovum to create this child. Well, they never told me they were
doing any of that. But when I was upset about it because I wanted to take her home with me because it was she was mine, and he said, you can't take her home. You couldn't. She wouldn't survive here. And I was upset, you know, and I was angry, and he looked at me, and I felt like he was saying, and I don't know why you're angry. This is a good thing. You should be happy. And then I remember feeling like this blast of emotion that came from
him, and I thought it was me At first. I started feeling all kinds of crazy emotions, all mixed up that didn't make any sense. And then I thought, wait a minute, this isn't even mine. It was coming from him to direct it towards me. So I don't, you know, and I don't know what that means. But but you do write a little bit about, uh, these hybrid children are being created for a specific
reason. Isn't there a potential either? Their planet is having problems or perhaps it's something that's going to happen in the future and these children are kind of like the byproducts of a new race that will repopulate a planet or something. What what what do you what's the general consensus that was passed down to you that they're like the next generation of us of humans? You know, like a like A I don't know, like we're it's an improvement on humanity.
Okay, So what does that say to you? Did they give you a hint that Earth is in trouble and there's going to be a cataclysm of some kind. No race is going to be wiped out. No, I don't. I don't remember anybody telling me that there was. It doesn't take a being abducted by an alien or a psychic to see that, you know,
the planet is in trouble and this is the only one we have. So I'm pretty I don't know if that's something that was planted in me by that, by the whole experience, or if it's just something that I've observed as I've watched and gotten older. But I feel very important. I feel it's very important to take care of the planet because it's only when we have and that we're as stewards of it, that it's our responsibility to make sure all
life has an opportunity to live here. And I think, if I remember correctly, it's been so long ago, but I do believe that when I was working with Forrest Crawford and John Carpenter and Jean Robinson as another gal who I she was another person who was an experiencer like me, we kind of felt like the the hybrids that were being created, at least that's what are thinking of of them, was that they were going to be populating not just
this planet, but that their race they're lacking in something and they're getting something from us, So it's improvement for it's an improvement for them. And at one point I even think I remember having the the hypothesis or the theory that they were from our few mature and that they were coming back to create fix something that got messed up or that got lost. So that's fascinating. Yeah.
What's what's curious, though, is here they are and they're telling you, you know that this Emily could not live on Earth's environment, she would not survive, and the fact that you were interacting with this ship and it was causing you physical and actually damaged you physical pain, you know. So it's like, what system or what type of science are they within that would cause that? And it seems toxic to you or humans as we stand now. So if this child were to be planted on earth now, she wouldn't
survive. So it's kind of strange to wonder what is she some kind of an experiment? Is she be created? Because Bud writ's a great deal about this. John Mack went literally around the world studying different cultures in the same phenomenon in Africa and Europe and China and so forth. So it's very odd what is happening and what the purpose is, don't you think? Well? Yeah, I mean and at the end of the day, I don't know
what the purpose is the big picture that nobody told me I've been. I participated in it unwillingly, you know, as far as I at least as far as I know. But anything that I think is really an opinion. It's not I don't have any facts because I don't know for sure other than the things I know for sure, like the market, the yard and the things, the dreams that I had and that I was pregnant and then I saw this girl later, but everything else, I don't, you know,
it could be a whole bunch of different things. I have no idea. Yeah, one thing that's unique that I'll go ahead. I was just going to say, she might not have been able to live on the planet like it was, you know, forty five years ago, but maybe she can now they've changed things. I don't know. Yeah, talk a little bit about some of the advanced attributes you've you've gained from your experience. I think
it's fast crazy. Well, no, this is really good, Deb, not only because you write about this, but it's hard to say if they brought out what's already there or that interacting with them enhance these abilities. Talk a little bit about them. Well, I always feel like I always said June thirty eighty three, Deb died in Deb two point zero was born. And I know that sounds silly, but and it was. In the beginning, I thought I was having an ever's breakdown. I couldn't sleep at night
for months. It was weird. I would be awakened by these visions and words and stuff that I would have to write down before they would leave me alone. Once I got it out of my head and where it wouldn't get lost and I could function. You know, I was really thought I was losing my mind. But in high school, I had my high school transcripts. I pulled them and my IQ was one hundred and ten, which is nothing. It's not shaggy, not shaggy at all, but you know,
nothing to write home about. My late husband convinced me to try and take the test for MENZA years later, several years later, and I'm like, I can't even bounce my checkbook. Dude, there's no way I'm going to be in MENSA. He said that, just because you don't have any money. But I went ahead and did it, and I got accepted into MENSA. And my few scores one was one hundred and one was one hundred and thirty five. One was on a hundred forty one different tests, and I
scored in the top one half percent in spatial relations. And that's when that's about the time that I started dreaming in three D and color. And then I started the lucid dreaming stuff and would always come right at the end before I woke up. And those are different because they were like I'm in them and I'm participating in this dream. I'm not just watching, are very real, and they stay with you when you wake up. The difference between a
lucid dream and a regular dream is an hour after a year awake. With a regular dream, you don't even remember you dreamt. But when you have a lucid dream and you wake up, the longer you're awake, the more
of it you remember, and it stays with you forever. And that was about the same time I started to get interested in paranormal stuff, when I had learned about something called electronic voice phenomenon, and so I started trying to record these voices because one of these my brain, it's like I got rewired, or it's like I got extra wires attached. That was like, I don't think I'm different than anybody else on this planet, but something happened to
me that changed something. I don't know whether I was that way or susceptible to that prior to the contact, or if the contact itself created this intentionally or unintentionally. I don't know, but I started read. I read book books about string theory and quantum physics. Even though I had absolutely no idea what I was reading, I felt it was important to have those words in my head, the thoughts and the ideas. Eventually I was going to need
them. I don't know why I started being I had the vision once, a lucid vision about a soap bubbles that were and somebody was telling me that these soap bubbles, these bubbles were universus and everywhere they touched that was a point of entry that where you could you could contact between these universes, but you had to be quick because it was like a soap bubble glob and it undulated and it moved, so it was, you know, moments, we're
fleeting, and all kinds of stuff like that started coming in my head. I started to be able to feel people's energy, like everybody's energy is different, like a fingerprint. And if somebody that I know walks up behind me, if I feel them, if they get close enough and I feel them, I know who they are. I don't even have to see them. But if they I don't know them, I just know that I don't know
who you are. You know, And I've had some strange experiences with people that I've met that it seemed like they were testing me to see how far I could go or what I was able to do. Or if I could hear them, you know, just strange things like that. I had this episode one time where I lost a ring. For three days, we couldn't find it, and then something told me where I needed to find it.
So I ended up tearing up the carpeting and the padding in my kid's bedroom, and there was under the carpet and the pad in the middle of the bedroom. Yeah, you pulled up the nails. Yeah I heard. I read that, and I was like, who put it underneath the hammer? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know a lot of weirds. I collected seeds for a long time and then woke up one morning and they were all gone. I would take apart radios and other mechanical things to see how they worked
and how they went together. I mean, I just did all kinds of weird stuff. Soa and I started being able to draw certain things that I was I'm not artistic at all. And the first book I wrote with my sister I just kind of poured out of my head in the middle of the night. After it took like a couple of weeks, and uh, you know, it was almost like I was just a vessel that it wasn't profound or anything like that. But still I was doing things that I never did
before. Yeah, if you were to kind of close your eyes and think about how my mind has expanded, how how I have turned into Debora two point zero. Would you say that they maybe expanded the brain's capacity to its fullest or would you say that something happened in your experience that shifted you to a higher vibration or higher octave of being human? Well, in your own words, I'm putting. I don't want you to I don't want you to use cliffs words. I just want you to go, this is what I
feel happened. I took a drug, and this is what I feel. I am more aware, uh of everything around me, the energies around me. The sound is very important to me right now, the vibration of sound. And I don't know why, but uh, I feel I feel like I've been expanded my awareness of the life around me. I feel like most people are. I always say this tube type radio is in Adobe Digital surround sound world. But I've upgraded to the circuitry a little bit. I'm not
a tube type anymore. You know, like TV signals and Wi Fi signals and all kinds of signals are going right through you right now, but you're you're not aware of it, right because you're not wired for that. You're you're not you're not ready to receive it, so you don't perceive it. But like my, my, my TV can it can pick up the televisions that will broadcast the picture, because that's how it's what it's made to do well. I think human brains are the same way. And it's not that
we don't use, you know, a lot of our brain. It's that we don't know what a lot of our brain is capable of doing. And I think that in my case anyway, something some extra circuitry got grown in or rewired or something, because I can perceive these energies around me that I didn't I couldn't before, and I know that they're there, and I've even been able to pick them up on some of my EVP on my electronic equipment. You know, I've heard voices. I got a voice one time that
said, are the spirits listening? I mean, clear as a bell, And another voice behind it said, can I listen too? And I had this little epiphany, Oh my god, somebody somewhere else is listening for me, I'm I'm a spirit somewhere else. And then it was like a door opened up in my head and I realized, we're not alone right here in this room. They're here, and sometimes I can perceive them, and I don't know how I do that. I don't know when that started, other
than I know it started after June thirty, nineteen eighty three. And it increases as I get older and I acknowledge it, it increases, it gets allowed to happen, and I'm not afraid. The thing of it was, when I was younger, I kept hearing. I would wake up and hear, don't be afraid, because being afraid just slows it down. Don't be afraid because it just slows the process. And I lost the fear that I
had. Everything I had happened to me when I was young was so traumatic and scary and weird and didn't fit in life, and I just wanted it to go away. And you know, I just want to have a normal life for me and my kids. And now I'm sixty five years old, and I look back and I realized I couldn't have done I couldn't be me
without that, so and that was important. I don't fully understand why, but I know it was important, and I know it's put me on this path where I'm where I'm going, And I mean all kinds I'm just my brain just went. You know, I'm open to all kinds of stuff. Now. The books called Extraordinary Contact Life Beyond Intruders. My guest today has been Deborah Jordan Cobble, and I have one last a couple questions as we conclude. You're retired now, congratulations, Thanks. What do you say when
you and I don't know if you know this or not. There's been intelligence operatives coming to Congress and saying one gentleman in particular is saying that there is going to be a major disclosure twenty twenty seven where apparently the aliens or the ets or what a group's going to come down and say we're here, we've been here and welcome to the planetary system or something. I don't know what.
But when you hear that kind of thing, and with your experience, what do you feel is that a possibility if they're around you all the time, is it what do you I mean? Was it Phil like, well, you know I've been hearing that for forty years. I've had a million dates. I've heard a million dates over forty years, you know, and nothing happens. Honestly, I don't know, We'll see. I don't think disclosure is going to come from any government anywhere, on any in any country.
I think disclosure is happening right now, and it's happening because of people like me that are talking about what's happening to them, and it's gonna there. The more stigma is removed, the more you're gonna hear. I'm happy about the government like trying to make it easier for pilots and military people to make these reports without having to worry about losing their pensions and stuff, because
those guys have seen some stuff and ain't nobody gonna tell nobody nothing. And for every one person like me that's out there talking about what they saw, there's probably fifty thousand people that has crazier stories than me that you're not gonna hear about for a while. But so in one way, I'm like, whatever, dude, I've heard a plenty of plenty of that before. We'll
see. Time will tell. I'm not gonna get overly excited, but I do feel a shift in the consciousness and the awareness of the next generation, and that makes me feel hopeful. So you're thinking maybe the next generation won't have the great fear that our generation has, that maybe we'll be more prepared for the eventual contact. Oh, they already don't. It's already different than even forty years ago. They're already not as afraid, you know. I
mean, I've seen a big shift slowly. But like I said, it's not going to disclosure. It's my opinion. Then that's just my opinion. I could be so wrong, because I have been wrong about things. But my opinion, disclosure is not going to come from a government. It's going to come from the people who've had the experiences. And it's them, those who are doing this when they are ready to make themselves known widely. You
know, they're the ones driving the bus. If you met the group that the off world types, the ets, whatever you want to call them, that I've initially met with you and uh put you through all this, what would you say to them or what would you ask them? I'd ask them why why was? Why? Why me? First? First of all, why me? And then I would say, well, I got some stuff that's messed up. If you want to come and if you can fix my back and things like that mostly be why why me? Why why did this
happen to me? And and have I, uh, have I been what you thought I would be? Am? I am I on the right path? Mm hmm. You do occasionally hear what you think could be them in your head? Do you think they're kind of following you your life and and maybe perhaps not necessarily looking out for you, but you know you're part of a family in a way that sounds so paranoid as it's not like that at
all. But I do feel sometimes protected, Like you know, I keep my mind and my feelings pure, you know what I mean, and intentions good intentions, and I feel, you know, some somewhat protected, you know. I don't know, maybe maybe that's coming from me. I don't know my higher self or whatever, but yeah, I do some sometimes feel as if I got a big brother somewhere. They've got an eye on me. Fascinating. That's fascinating. Now, are there support groups that you're affiliated
with for people that are experiencing what you've gone through? I'm I'm involved in zero C E r O and they're based in California. That's Vonne Smith's group and I worked with actually interviewed Yvonne earlier this year in lah Yeah, and so is. That's her website ce r N c r O c r O and just look that up and she I guess what that is is an organization that you can look into and they will find somebody in your area. I guess, right. Yeah, it's just support for people who had these experiences.
It's a safe place to speak about them and not be judged. And Yvonne has resources if people actually want some kind of help. She knows people and she also does she's a regressionist the therapy all right, hypnotherapist. Yeah. But and I moderate admin with Beverly Moore. The CERO Midwest Facebook Experiences page. It's a private page on Facebook and it's a place where again, people who've had these weird experiences can come and share what the you know,
their experience are and feel comfortable and feel like they're not alone. And sometimes when you get other eyes on your experiences, you know, and sometimes you can almost help figure out some things that maybe aren't you know, paranormal that you thought might be, you know, getting different viewpoints and stuff. But also just to be there and be able to be yourself. You know, it's it's a good thing because forty years ago I didn't have that. I
was in Indiana by myself for years and years. So we you know, I'm so I'm involved in those two groups. And of course I have my website. Yeah, give us your website. It's what's on your website. It's Dev's home dot com, you know, d eb s H O M E dot com. And it's been my husband's been doing this website for me for twenty some years. There's there's a story about there's you know, more in depth information about me in my life and things I've experienced, other things
I've done. There's a lot of news stories about the latest happenings going on in mainstream media about ufology and also all kinds of other interesting little science news bits, you know, because I'm interested in that kind of thing too. And you can also write to me. There's a place where you can actually write to me through that website. So if you want to share your story with me, it doesn't go anywhere else. It's just between me and you.
But if you want somebody to have a sympathetic ear to listen, I try to answer every email I get. You know, we've been doing that page for years. So and then I've got the podcast now me and Greg resurrectly. Oh yeah, what's the name of the podcast again, I forget. It's called Midwest Para Talk Radio. And you can listen to us live
on you Tube at Midwest Para Talk Radio on YouTube and uh. Then it gets posted to Potomatic and Midwest Para Talk Radio's website and places like that the next day and Greg and I talk about everything under the Sun, paranormal and UFO related. We have guests sometimes, sometimes it's just us shooting a back and forth with each other over a topic. We did this years ago when there was hardly any there wasn't. I mean, there's so many podcasts and
stuff now it's close. Well, I can't keep up with all of them, but back when we first started, it wasn't that many. So but it's it's a lot of fun. And we take questions from the Peanut Gallery if anybody has a subject they want to talk about or a question they have. You know, we interact with our listeners. So so Extraordinary Contact is available on Amazon, but it's also available on your website, right you can
get it through there. Yes, you can also get it at Barnes and Nobles or Books a Million, any of the online booksellers, the bigger ones. You can get it thro that too. And is there another book coming out of the Out of You anytime soon? Or what's the story on that? Are you done with writing? Well? Yeah, I feel like there's another one in there. I haven't. I haven't gotten around to doing it
yet. Hopefully I'll be able to still see well enough. I'd love to get a hear from you on these extraordinary abilities that you've have grown into you and you keep. I mean, what you said to me a little while ago was interesting. As I get older, they get stronger or they're more present, and I think that's fascinating, Like you're kind of evolving into a
new human because perhaps, as you call it, you were rewired. I feel you know, every day I feel different, and I feel like people are people don't realize how powerful they are, everybody, every human being on this planet. I feel like they have to be reminded of what powerful, magnificent beings they are and the things they can accomplish just by the mind the thought of it, that everything wonderful in the world began with the thought.
All things that you see started with the thought. And you've got to control those thoughts. You can't just you know, I mean they I want them to be power positive, not negative, because negative can be bad exactly. Hey, yeah, it's been a real pleasure. I want to thank you for telling us your story and being so forthright about it. It's like it's wonderful to hear, and it is. Uh, it still amazes me even after all these years of understanding it to a degree. But obviously I'm not
an experiencer you are, so thank you for sharing. Well, thanks for listening. I appreciate it. So we got to think about how to consider what Deborah went through and think of it in context of obviously first contact. But remember I've always said that when we meet with a being that is five hundred one thousand, ten thousand, a million years advance of us, they are going to be They're going to be vibrating at a very different rate.
And when I say vibrating, I'm meaning that their internal energetics, the cellular life what the Hindus and Eastern philosophies called the aura, the chakra system. You can't you have to be careful about interacting with people or beings of that age. Their physiology, their internal makeup, their body structure is different than ours. And I believe that when she was talking about being burned by the light, having her eyes damaged, her face flush, her body felt like
it was burning, that was their environment. And remember they told her that Emily, her daughter, her hybrid daughter, would not be able to exist on Earth as it is now. So what that likely means is that their environment is affixed to their physicality, their physiology, and so they exist in a different vibrational rate or different environment than what she lives in. And I
think that goes to their how they exist in an environment. And so I have heard this, and I believe it's true that when you're connecting with somebody at that level who's a thousand years advance of you, they're vibrating, they're different, their cellular matter is different, and so they're not hugging you, and they're rarely touching you because it could it could be damaging. And so that's what I got from from her interaction. And I just finished her book,
by the way, it's a good read, Extraordinary Contact. But John Max's book also talks about the age of some of these beings, and it's all guesstimate. We don't know if our government is interacting with these different races. There's a long running rumor, and I don't know if it's true or
not, that President Eisenhower met with an alien race in California. I think it was in there either the late fifties or early sixties, and there was an agreement made, and the agreement was that they would select certain people for these abductions and in exchange there would be some technology that would be exchanged. I don't know. This is the problem with ufology alien interaction to ets. We don't get a straight answer our government if they do know, if this
is something they've known about, we'll never know from the current crop. This could be a black option that even the government that we know, Congress, Senate, President, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army, Navy, whatever, they don't perhaps know. But it would be a real positive for them to
let us know about this. And I think that they need to apologize to these people that are being subjected to this, because I don't know why a thousand year old, a five thousand year old, a million year old race of beings can't be more cordial in their meetings with these with these abductees, these experiencers. Now, if you read John Max's book, he doesn't stay within the United States. He goes to Europe, he goes to Africa,
and in a number of cases people have a very positive experience. They leave the interactions feeling uplifted, feeling like they gain something, and so it's not all as traumatic as what Debra has presented to us and others. The problem is that it's not widely thought of as a positive experience because you're being taken
from your room. They're afraid that you're gonna you can we can hurt them physically, so you're always mobilized through through paralyzing rays, through injections or things that immobilize us or the abductees, and then they can, you know, interact experiment. I have a lot of thought about this, and again I mentioned this at the very beginning of program. This is not widy discussed anymore. There are support groups that will help men and women who have gone through
this stuff, these experiences, but that's about all I know about. I don't know. David Jacobs is in his nineties. He doesn't write anymore, and of course Hopkins and Mack are not with us any longer, so I don't know, I don't follow you apology anymore, but I do want you to get a sense of these face to face interactions. And so next week we'll have another guest talking about his experience, and then we follow up with the final part three, which is with Willy Streeper who's written a new book
called Them thhe M and that book is amazing. So this is something I want you to be aware of. And if you have any questions or you'd like to ask, you know, you want more information, send me an email at Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com and I'll get back to you. Hey, we do tours Destiny Earth Ancients. We do tours every year. We have a big one coming up in April of twenty twenty four. It's our Grand Egyptian Tour number six, you know, and I'm telling
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the Listen. Then we'll send you the itinerary as soon as I get it. So lots to consider, lots to experience. All right, that's it for today's program. I want to thank my guest today, Deborah Jordan, Cobble coming to us from Midwest. As always the team of Ruth, Thomas, Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen. Thank you you guys, rock I really appreciate it. All right, take care of be well, and we will talk to you next time. SA