Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. That's the opening music to the new documentary Blue Planet Red, a just released series of interviews in footage on the planet Mars. Hey, this is Cliff, will be doing well today. We are featuring the producer and a major contributor to this series Blue Planet Read today on Destiny and I have supported this work for a couple of years and happy to have the producer, Brian Dobbs here with me
today. As you know, I've been following the anomalies that have been discovered and known about now probably close to forty years on the planet Mars. And not only that, there's a great deal of research and evidence of anomalies on the two moons of Mars, Phobus one and Phobus two, and back in the seventies, the late seventies early eighties, the Russians sent two satellites to Phobus one to image it and it came back with a great deal of strange
strangeness. In fact, they lost the first satellite for for some unknown reason no one really knows why the signal was cut off. And then the second satellite that they sent to Phobus one mysteriously vanished, and there's really really odd imagery from the camera of this satellite just before they lost contact with it. In fact, there is a saucer shaped shadow passing across part of this huge satellite, which probably indicates somebody of intelligences involved here that wanted to take the
satellite out because it was getting too close to sensitive material. This program today is all about Mars, and we've had everyone from John Brandon, Burgmark Carlotto, on and on and on talking about the evidence of an ancient civilization, probably destroyed in what doctor Brandenburg believes was a nuclear holocaust. But you know, Mars at its most pristine, had huge oceans, had lush green fields, had multiple force and and then of course the big question mark is what
is this? What are the mass ruins, the cities, the huge monolithic size reliefs. And when I say reliefs, that's another word for a sculptural design. Not unlike the Nasca lines of Peru, with which are geoglyphs, the glyphs. The reliefs on Mars are massive, massive, and we're talking many. Most of them are many miles across by many miles high, built up from what was once this is theorized. Of course, what was once mountains and hills, they would uh cut into them and create birds, animals,
people. You can do a search on Google right now and sit and type in Mars reliefs and then put in kamma human or kamma animals, Comma insignias, letters, writing, and with each of those what you'll what will come back is imagery of monstrosities, these huge glyphs in a variety of shape, sizes, and themes, and it's just crazy as heck. I haven't talked a great deal about the reliefs on Mars because they're just so mind blowing.
Whenever we have Jarge George haas On from the Sidonia Institute, he speaks quite elegantly about these because he's written extensively about these glyphs, about these carvings that are on the surface. But today, this new documentary actually came out in late twenty twenty three, Blue Planet Red highlights really my frustration and those of a number of planetary scientists and hundreds of not more thousands, if not more, people who are wanting to know why NASA doesn't basically come clean with
this data. They have known about it since the Mercury satellites began orbiting Mars.
And if you will remember, the first revelation which was beyond NASA's ability to edit, was the gigantic face in the Sidonia region, the face on Mars, and we first learned about it in the late eighties, nineteen eighties, early nineteen nineties when Richard Hogland, a former science editor for Walter Cronkite, pulled together a number of planetary scientists imaging specialists and began looking at the data that was coming back and wrote a book called The Monuments of Mars.
By the way, if you want to get a real good look at some of these ruins on Mars, get The Monuments of Mars by Richard Hogland. It's probably in its fifth or sixth printing, but you can get a used copy for under ten dollars and it's filled filled with these early images that were released by the Viking missions prior to NASA's ability to do editing and whitewash the images that were coming back. Now, I've spoken extensively on why NASA fills
that they need to hide this material, keep it under wraps. And you know we've had, like I mentioned, many many people speaking on it, but that's just the way it is. I harp on this. You know. They requisitioned in a document in nineteen sixty from the Brookies Institute and they asked them to analyze the United States public's reaction to a first contact scenario.
That can be the discovery of a long lost alien race. It could be the disclosure of aliens flying UFOs which are now UAPs, or any artifacts. You know, there's a lot of rumors that there are alien craft artifacts that have been recovered in a place called Area fifty one in Nevada, and it goes with those two. If those were at that knowledge was released that we have in our possession saucers from extraterrestrials, according to this document, we would
not be able to function. We would kill ourselves, our religions would fail, our government would fall in to disrepair. Now we look at this from an antiquated, kind of out of touch, backwards point of view, and it's sad to say this, but the United States government follows this well. I shouldn't say just the United States. This European Space Agency, most of the Western countries Europe and the United States follow this outdated decree that we are
unable to have news that we're not the only ones in our cosmos. And as sad as that is, and I think it's sad, you know, this is the reality that we're faced with in our skies. Now. We have UAPs, we have UFOs, we have strange people. We just posted our last show on highbreds, a thousand year old highbreds that were found in Peru. This is all kept under wraps, and it's only through shows like
mine and other shows. There's probably you know, one hundred podcasts on UFOs, Alien Interactions, Understanding UAPs, and there's there's a whole field of experts UFO specialists, some that are former military, some are former special administration in
Europe, some come out of NASA. And today's program Blue Planet Red, we'll hear from a number of former NASA administration types and some of the top people in the country, and we'll get a sense of just what they have to say about the planet Mars. Here's a short interview done by a former astronaut, Buzz Aldrin, on his discovery on Phobus, which is one of two orbiting moons on Mars. Let's have a quick listen habitation on the Moon.
We can visit other people with their habitation. We can keep track. If there's something very important to be developed from the Moon. I'm not sure what it is right now, and I sure think we should identify what it is for America to make such gross expenditures again for human habitation on the moon. We can help. We can join with together. We can explore the moon and develop the Moon. We should go boldly where a man has not gone before. Fly by the comets and asteroids. Visit the moon of Mars.
There's a monolith there, a very unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that goes around Mars once in seven hours. When people find out about that, they're going to say, who put that there? Who put that there? Well, the universe put it there, if you choose God put it there. Now, it's funny that came out almost a decade ago,
and I had to wonder. You know, these astronauts have to sign non disclosure agreements, so you have to wonder, is he going to be reprimanded, Is he going to fall out of his car or not wake up someday because they gave a poison. I mean, that's fairly that's fairly raw. I mean, he's divulging that there's a giant monolith on Phobus. I I'm going to post that image for you to look at because it's been known about for probably twenty years, and I'm also going to post some other photographs that
are part of this new documentary. So my guest today is Brian Dobbs and our special guest is doctor John Brandenburg, and the program is called Blue Planet Red. As you know, I've been fascinated by Mars for probably three decades. I go way back to the work as a program director I did at
Whole Life Expo. And this is I want to say late mid nineteen nineties when Hogland, Richard Hogland released his book Monuments on Mars, and I had Richard at the show with just a groundbreaking series of photographs of ruins on the planet Mars. And at that point it was just mind blowing speculation and suppositions
and ideas behind the possibilities of that. And I've followed it and I've moved along and I have had a number of people on the podcast, including doctor Mark Carlotto who's a regular discussing the images that we have found on the planet. Up to this point, NASA does not acknowledged ruins, does not acknowledge
any life is there. We're getting billions of dollars spent on search the search for microbes, and it's been a frustration of mine because I've had a number of experts, former NASA imaging specialists on the program with data, with excellent, excellent photographs. And then we've taken it a step further with doctor John Brandon Burke, who is a plasma physicist, showing in his book Death on Mars that there was an explosion a few million years ago, perhaps more going
full circle, we are now coming up with a new focus. I mentioned this last year the release of a new documentary called Blue Planet Red, and we are going to discuss this documentary today with the producer, Brian Dobbs and our own friend, returning guest, doctor John Brandenburg. And this is an important documentary not only because it highlights a lot of these questions, but also gives us a sense of what we can look forward to in terms of revelations
on the planet. So, Brian, welcome to Destiny. Great to see you. Oh, nice to see you again, Cliff. It was wonderful being able to include you in on the documentary itself. And uh, first, first things first here, Cliff. I you know I mentioned this in person when I was out seeing you, but I really gotta give you credit for inspiring me to make this film. I mean, your your podcast has done so much for many people across this world in terms of educating them on
the origins of human history and beyond. And uh, you know, originally coming across some episode of Earth Ancients related to Mars, it blew my mind. So you were part of this deep dark rabbit hole that I went down, and I'm glad I did so, thank you very much. Yeah, I did. I do have a few minutes in the in the documentary. I failed to mention that it's kind of fun, fun to be on camera. And of course, John, welcome back. We've had you on many,
many times. Pleasu you're a cliff to be on your show. It'll be great to touch base with you as we continue this discussion. Brian, your co producer is MJ. Craig. We've had him on the program. He has written books on the planet Mars. What inspired you both to take on the dynamics of a documentary because we both know and I'm sure this is You're completed now and you can say, yeah, Cliff, I'm not sure I want to do this again, or I enjoyed the exp and it's something
I really appreciate. Well, I'm glad you mentioned MJ. Craig. Yes, he was part of He was featured as a guest on a previous episode of Earth Ancients and of which I listened to. And I listened to it. I remember it was probably just a year and a half ago, and man, it really intrigued me. Here's this guy. He didn't seem sensational at all, and he has been archiving a lot of Mars images and some data on his website. So after I had listened to that, I had
reached out to him just with the general curiosity. And I think by that time I was reading doctor Brandenburgh's book as well. You know, again, i'd listened to Brandenburg on your program too, and I'm like, man, I am surprised that given the evidence for life on Mars, and evidence of a whole lot more going on with Mars, that someone hasn't put a film together about all of this. You know, all of the information is out there on the internet, published or discussed in some way, but there's there's
really no one documentary putting all of this together. And I said, somebody really needs to do this. There's there's some really good stuff here. Yes, we have all these books, we have all these publications, we have all these independent researchers, but I'm sitting around here trying to I was looking at Mars documentaries, just trying to find some. And yes, maybe you'll have an Ancient Aliens type program where the Unexplained files with William Shatner touching on
some of this stuff. But really there's a whole lot to Mars that I don't think people really understand. And I'm sitting around here, man, someone should really do a film, and having this internal dialogue with myself and you know, telling myself, well, Brian, you're a filmmaker. You could do it, and I'm saying, no, that's way too much. I've never done something future length before. But you know, a good way of of growing, as as you know, in your profession, is by challenging
yourself. And so I said, okay, well, uh, you know, I sent doctor Brandenberg an email and I said, if if this guy gets back to me, then we're doing it, and he responded to me and I'm like, okay, I guess that's okay. So thank you, doctor Brandenburg, because you absolutely, Brian, I couldn't refuse, you know, it was off on the first step towards volunteering for something is to say, well, somebody ought to do something about this. Yeah, yeah,
but you know I wanted to help you bring this out. Thank you. I uh, you know, I'm mostly you know, upon getting into all of this, I just had a general fascination with Base like most other people do Star Trek. You know, we all grew up in the same things. But you know, I'm I'm a storyteller and I'm trying to gather the data and trying desperately to prove all of this stuff wrong, because if it's right, it means that I completely have to rewrite my you know, my
perspective on this, this next door neighbor of ours, planet Mars. It's not just this dry and desolate landscape that we all think of it as. There's a whole lot more going on with it. And you know, getting into all of this, meeting all the people and interviewing everybody, you know, I now consider myself part of this Mars community that has been well established for decades or so, relatives a fine array of people. Yeah, and credit to MJ. Craig who has been really doing a lot of this work
on his website data. He's been posting a lot about the images and the data, and he knows all the people, He knows the community really intimately, and so he was able to point me in the right direction trying to, you know, figure out who we're going to interview for the film and what story elements we wanted to you know, rather information data we want to include. So so credit to MJ. Craig for doing a lot of this
work over the years. And to my surprise, there's a little spot on his website which said, Hey, if anyone out there would like to make a documentary and all this, please contact me. And I didn't know that at the time. He only told me about that later because I had contacted him and I'm like, hey, I'm thinking about making this documentary. Doctor Brandenberg got back to me, I've got some images. You know, you seem like you know what you're talking about. You seem like you're really familiar
with all of this stuff. You know, would you like to partner with me and make a documentary, and you know, to my delight, he said, yeah, so you know, Michael, if you're listening, thank you very much. Couldn't have done this without you, buddy. You the documentary's roughly two hours. You must have shot significantly more than two hours worth of film and then had it to edit it all down. What did you what did you end up with? Like twenty hours or thirty hours worth of
footage? Yeah? Well, on average each interview was about let's say an hour and a half two hours times two dozen people, so that's easily forty hours worth of stuff. A lot didn't make it in to the cut. And what I plan on doing now at this point, because you're right, I'm I finished it. It's over and done with. What do I do
at this point? Do I start working on a new documentary? I don't know, but I think what really interests me is continuing to work with Mars, And what I think I might do is start a YouTube series, sort of adapting all of this content into a YouTube series, piece by piece by piece, keep that same high production quality, a more cinematic look, and not only reuse, or rather not only use a lot of the stuff that didn't make the cut for the film, but shoot new stuff, new interviews,
and just continue telling this story because I think that the more we tell the story of Mars, the more we'll, you know, we'll be able to get this out there to the general public. Yeah, you know, I can't sit back and just you know, dust my hands off and say a job done. It's out there. It's good. But now I have
to. I think I just feel compelled to continue telling the story of Mars, and continue working with everybody in the community to preserve their legacy of work and try to act as some sort of liaison between their scientific work and the public. The stuff's been published for years, but it surprises me that virtually no one knows about this kind of stuff, even academics, you know, they don't necessarily stay up to date with the latest and greatest published research.
What would you say? The theme is of the documentary, and I want to get into it without giving it away. Sure, but you open the documentary asking basic questions, what do you think of Mars? Where is Mars? Things like that, and it's the general reaction of people is it's fairly ignorant of really what's going on other than this red planet. Right, Yes, Well, what I discovered along the way making this thing is well, rather what I confirmed, Okay, what I confirmed is that most people don't
know a lot about marsd know a lot about Mars. I knew that we sent these cute little rovers there and we study the rocks and you know, back in college, I remember seeing online there was this image of a face. Okay, and that's about it. And so what the stuff I was learning, Well, the bottom line up front is that Mars used to be a lot like Earth. It used to be another blue planet. And when you really think about what that means, what the potential like, look at
Earth from space, it's a blue planet. That means we have water, we have an atmosphere. You know, where there's water, there's life. So there is a lot of evidence, compelling, well researched and well presented evidence for life, not just current but also passed. And then there's a
whole lot more. And the whole lot more really challenges the general public in terms of how they view Mars. Okay, And to get to that whole lot more, I knew we had to start with what people already know, which isn't much, and I wanted the viewer to feel safe knowing that, Look, it's okay if you don't know much about Mars, We're going to start with what you know. And if that's not much, that's okay. We'll just baby step you along the way to keep telling you this story.
We keep going deeper and deeper, but I got to get you comfortable with the safe stuff. First. Oh water, okay, well, yeah, that's not so bad. I think I heard maybe they were looking for water. And then drip by drip by drip get to the more heavier elements of the film. Yeah, yeah, I like that. It's funny. I was just thinking the face on Mars. Mars revelation is now a whole generation
ago. Jesus John. When was it revealed? Nineteen six? What was the what was the satellite and not what was the name of the satellite the Viking series? Ye, And and the NASA's revelation was it was a trick a light and it wasn't anything to be concerned about. But there were a group of scientists that actually were concerned about it and started really looking at it.
Talk a little bit about Carlato's work in refining the data on this to really this is really the marker when you say the marker of a lost sophisticated civilization. Give us the basics about this this space, well, it appears
to be a modified landform. People didn't build it brick by brick. I don't think they took a hill and added brickwork to it to make it look like a face, which is interesting because it faces upward well and unlike see, you couldn't make or the thing is a roughly one and a half kilometers long and about a kilometer wide. You can't make an upright face like that. The engineer the rock won't support it even on Mars and Mars gravity.
So it appears to be a modified landform. And then the Petro and Molinaro began this because they got the original data tapes and of the original photo and they found out there was also a pyramid within about fifteen kilometers about ten miles from the face, and they so this is memorializes the DNM pyramid, and it's a five sided pyramid. It also looks like it's partly eroded, but
some of the faces on the pyramid are really quite pristine. So they had a face in a pyramid, and often they're in the same frame, but NASA would never publish that pyramid in the same frame as the face. Then they also discovered that there was an additional picture of the face, and the NASA put out the story it was a trick of light, and they took up that picture an hour later on the next orbit and it was gone.
Well, it was dark when it was. They took the picture at sunset, original picture sunset, so to Petra and Mullinar using the data library, and the people at the data library helped them. They discovered there was a second picture of it. And what NASA did is they waited thirty days till everyone had forgotten about the initial report, yeah, and then took a new picture. And the new picture confirmed that it was a face and also confirmed
the pyramids. So they had three images of the pyramid, two images of the face at two different lighting angles. And then they got in enormous trouble from JPL. JPL wanted called up NASA where they worked at Green Belt, Maryland, and said we want these people fired. And so there was an immediate reaction to cover up, and for a while NASA even denied that there was NASA headquarters even denied there was a second picture of the face, even
though it was right. I found published scientific articles within it. So to fast forward, Dick Hobland organized a independent Mars investigation team and asked me to join it, And without going into a lot of detail, I did join it. I'm very glad I did. And we then discovered another what looked like another site. We also discovered the Mars Ocean as a result of this
investigation, and I went to a conference and published that. And uh, NASA never gives me credit for it, but that's okay, credit I give from a bank. Yeah, let me let me stop you right there, John, Yeah, I'm sorry. So, in layman's terms, this gigantic artificial man made or not even man creature made or intelligently designed, it's called that. Yeah, let's just say that face is one and a half miles long by approximately a mile across, right, Yeah, I'm sorry, not
miles occasion. Let's put this be blunt about it. NASA must have just ship when they saw this thing and had and and of course, following the Brookings document that any data released exposing first contact with any form of an alien race would freak people out, so they were adherent to that and decided that they were going to cover it up. So in the face of the Petrium molinar, two experts in imaging UH software and also satellite imaging showing this thing
because they want to. Mark Carlotto joined us. But these guys refined the raw data, published it and waited for the scientific community to respond. What was the scientific community's response when it was first presented in say a conference, Oh, the foot soldiers of the scientific community responded with enormous interest. They had people lining up to look at stereo pairs of the The two images can be used to make a stereo pairs and get some idea in the three dimensional
nature of the face. So they were received with great, great enthusiasm. But NASA unfortunately controls the research agenda in the planetary community by by either giving
or withholding grants to people. And what really was another really wonderful thing was that doctor Mark Carlotto, who was an imaging scientist trained in computing image at PhD, in it too, and he worked for the Pentagon, so he didn't work for nasty and so he joined the group investigating you know, these objects and produced even better pictures than the Petro and Molinar could, so this
thing suddenly got legs. Then we found out there was an ocean, so it was an easy thing to just say, well, this is what looks like eroded archaeology. It's slightly beat up from a time when Mars had an atmosphere at an environment like Earth. Mars was once a blue planet like Earth, and the ocean lasted most of mars history. I can prove that. And and then you know, this Sidonia place is on the shoreline of that
ocean. And then the other site we found it, a place called Galaxus Chaos, has two faces, one of which looks like the one at Sidonia, and it's also on the shore of this ocean, this northern Ocean. So we were very successful. Brian, you interview a number of prominence scientists,
which makes this documentary You really give it teeth. Talk a little bit about the goal in producing this material and getting across the importance of understanding that this is intelligent and there's an intelligence behind the creation of these buildings and what
I call relief sculpture on a megalithic scale. Talk about that. Yes, yes, well I did find doctor Mark Carlatto to be you know, you know, quite the perfect person to present how these structures will say, these features on Mars are quantitatively different, okay, because it's easy to you know, to look at the face. It looks like a face, and you know, uh, just just for someone to say, hey, what does
that look like to you? Okay? But what Mark Carlato did. And here's a guy who is you know, he's been part of the aerospace industry for four decades at least, an imaging expert, specifically as it relates to satellite imaging. Who has a software developer who has you know, run this place called Sidonia, which is just a little place on Mars. He's run this the images of Sidonia through software which generates a fravel model of the landscape.
Now what does this mean. It means, well, here here's a good example, okay, when here on Earth they run images, satellite images through this software to try to determine the different to try to determine what's a tank and what's a tree when they're looking for military vehicles or something somewhere hidden in the jungle or something, and they can tell the difference based on its structure that it's artificial in origin. Because it's so much different than the surrounding
landscape. Okay, So if you run these Sideoitia satellite images through the software, the face, as doctor Mark Carlotta puts, it lights up like a hunter Watt bulb because it is so much different than the surrounding landscape. Okay. Beyond that, what we're also factoring in here is it's symmetry and it's
repeated expressions of geometry. Now I won't get all into it, but basically it looked like there was a little bit more to its design than just it just so happened to look like a face, Okay, and it's backed up by all of this quantitative analysis by doctor Mark Carlotto. Beyond his involvement, I did feel it necessary to try to include as much as possible Folks from
Academia, folks from NASA. Okay. I was lucky enough to to uh to get acquainted with doctor Richard Hoover, who worked for NASA for forty plus
years as their lead astrobiologist. And you know, he's got credentials out the wazoo, and he's just he's sharp as attack can, can explain everything in exquisite detail, and you know here's a guy who is talking about microfossils and meteorites and knowing exactly how to explain that they're not you know, the product of contamination, earth bound contamination, but you know, uh that they are
in fact extraterrestrial. And when you have the head of a NaSTA, NASA Astrobiology department saying that, I think that goes a long way, because I think, rightly or wrongly, you know, NASA is seen as this trusted institution among the American public. We love NASA, you know, they we send rockets up into outer space, and it's it's always a fun thing to
engage with as far as the public is concerned. And so I think Richard Hoover being part of NASA for so long really adds to the credibility factor of all this, because I know with Mars comes a lot of baggage. It's a very you know, there's this needle that we're trying to thread here with
Mars. And I knew that going into it, because there's a high degree of skepticism, and so I knew that I was going to have to try to counter that skepticism, not only by you know, asking questions that the audience, the viewing audience might ask you know, well, like you know, if I ask doctor Brandenberg, you know why he comes to this conclusion. You know, I have to present the alternative, you know, what the alternative explanation might be, and have him respond to that. But you
know, if I can get qualified experts in their field, PhDs. You know, here's a guy from NASA, doctor Richard Hoover, and I got a few other people from academia, doctor David Page from UCLA, doctor Professor
Jason Wright from from Penn State, Professor Avi Loebe from Harvard University. You know, they're all commenting on on Mars, and I think that it's it's necessary to try to to be inclusive of this because I don't I was trying to make this documentary as critic proof as possible, and uh, you know it was it was unfortunate that I wasn't able to get anyone else from NASA in it. I did ask them to participate, but unfortunately they declined.
But I really wanted to do my best to try to not make this so one sided and just let the evidence speak for itself and not draw too many
conclusions. That's interesting you say that It would have been interesting if you had had a an administrator from NASA on the program, because I would love for them to see and these guys already know through the imaging that there's something going on on the planet of Mars. But to ask them what their opinion is of this and to hear how they deny it would be very interesting, or
how they do some kind of a spin. You know, well, we're still not sure yet after thirty years of or a linear combination of spending denial in this. But Brian, let me ask you, what did Hoover say about the imagery as an astrobiologist he's in there. I mean, which is my problem right now? We got trillions of dollars of rovers looking for microbes and I've always laughed, and I say this all the time. You must hear me. They're looking for microbes and then the rovers bumping in the staircases
of temples. Because there's all you gotta have a sense of here. It's somewhat hilarious. Yes, uh, Well, before I answer that, Cliff, let me just say you mentioned it would be nice to know what a NASA administrator thinks of all this. Yeah, Well, I've got I can
give you this. Okay, to my surprise, as I've been posting on social media, I've been posting on Twitter a lot, and I've also been posting on LinkedIn, and to my absolute surprise, former NASA administrator Dan Golden Ah not just liked, but loved at least a half dozen of my posts related to the film. And it's it's you know, sometimes the more I can tell you a little background on that controversial nature of these posts. So
I want to talk about Hoover, but Brandenburg. I told doctor Branderberg this a little while ago, and like, what do you think this means. We're going to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, producer Brian Dobbs, and one of the featured interviews of this documentary, doctor John Brandenberg. We'll
be right back with you. We're featuring a new documentary on Mars called Blue Planet Red and speaking with the producer Brian Dobbs and one of his guests, doctor John Brandenberg. This documentary is now available by going to Vimeo, and we'll give more information right after the completion of this interview. John, I
want you to talk about this for a second. But one of the things that John has always told me, and I always kind of go oh, Jesus Christ, is the fact that NASA knows, the scientific community knows, but the Brookings Institute has held him at bay because they don't want people killing
themselves. That was kind of the area that John was going at. But I get very angry at this because this is an important evolutionary fact that when we know that we're not the only ones in our cosmos, were changed automatically. Yes we are. And so there is some dynamic beholden to the administrative staff at NASA that does not want this revelation to be released because rather than going to the social media side of things and asking them, they're going to
the antiquated theologians. This is the most recent research that they did. They went to a group of priests, rabbis, ministers and asked this is like a year ago, and asked what their opinion was of the reaction. Who gives a damn people are leaving religion in the thousands, It's an outdated function of humanity. If they had asked the social media people Google, Instagram their
opinions, they would holdheartedly to it. I wouldn't say all of them, but I'd say most people would say, bring it on, we want to know what's going on. Well, if you ask, if you ask a Baptist, what do you get? What do you expect your guys? That's the problem nascessiety, Simon Episcopalian. If you ask Episcopalians, they'll say, well, that's a very interesting idea, and they'll talk about it. But you know that it varies them so that that leads to the to you,
John, what you believe that this administrator who reacted to Brian's post? Uh, what what he's up to? Oh, he's he's uh, he's covertly in our in our camp now. But what does that mean? It means that he was NASA administrator when he directed JPL to take a picture, new picture of the face and uh, then they did it, and it became apparent that they released a fuzzy picture, hadn't been enhanced, and they took it from as unfamiliar viewing angle as possible, and this is not what Golden
ordered them to do. He said, I want a straight up picture like the one before. And that's when he found out that he was not running all of NASA Jet Propulsion Lab basically says, uh, send him a note, you know, saying we don't have to follow your orders. We're part of the We're at California Institute or Technology. We're not technically part of NASA,
you know, even though we're getting all this money from. So what happened is we Mark Carlotto enhanced the new pictures and we even rotated it using a three dimensional model that Carlado developed, and it was obviously artificial. It looked like the lion mayere talking about. You're talking about Sidonia, Sidonia. Yeah, the big Sidonia picture in nineteen ninety eight that they waited till the
last minute of the day. They took it earlier in the day and then they sat on it all day, released a unenhanced picture without any explanation, and then we Carlotto enhanced it, and we made sure we had through a back channel. We made sure Golden sawd okay so some other words, and Golden then ordered more pictures to be taken. You think he's quite sympathetic to
this cause, yes, I do believe so. Yes, I haven't talked to him about it, but I know he's quite simple I believe he's quite sympathetic and his reaction to us sending him this picture because yeah, and then he subsequently ordered more pictures must be taken. Brian, did you try to interview him for the documentary? I tried. I reached out to NASA's media department and I wanted to actually go to their green Belt location in Maryland,
and JPL actually reached out to JPL. They both just said no. Actually JPL said no, NASA just never responded. So, you know, I did my best to try to get someone someone involved. I didn't reach out to Dan Golden directly. It would have been you know, had had I known he would have been sympathetic, maybe I would have done that. But you know, and there's no you know, no saying I can't do that.
Now. If I want to continue doing this and doing a YouTube series about it, maybe I could reach It would be in another interview that he might be open to. We'll see. But so it's just a little bit,
just a little end note. When we presented the picture the enhanced picture by Carlato at a conference then a few months later, it received a lot of attention from people at the scientific conference, and a person from JPL showed up and assaulted Vince to Petro start screaming at him and said he was because to Petro said, you know, why did you guys release this picture on enhanced and the guy starts screaming at him. Are you calling me a liar?
I'll deck you by god? Oh you mentioned that? Yeah? Yeah, that was years ago, wasn't it, John? That was like, yes, it was like nineteen eighty five or something. I I and everyone was just stunned. I mean, there must have been one hundred people standing there watching this. You know. Let me ask you a real quick question. Uh. Then I want to get back to Brian. But sure, they have now launched and currently orbiting the planet some of the most sophisticated satellite
cameras in the world. They must, they must. They probably can see a few inches off the surface right now, so yes, they can. They can read license plates. What the hell's going to happen? This is a question to both of you, but I want to start with you John. We don't know who the first boots on the on the ground are going
to be, SpaceX, NASA, maybe even in the Chinese. What the hell is going to happen when they get the orbiter as part of the ground crew to start re imaging the planet and they come back with buildings and temples and pyramids and mass reliefs. Oh well, they're they're going to based on this photo icon they're they're playing right now, is to land the astronauts as far away from those sites as possible. Same thing they're doing with the rover.
They dump them in areas that are no esslate and they're not even close although some of the images because of the destruction. Yes, they're bumping into stairways and they're bumping in I know, and I just I'll just say. The joke we have among in this community is that they recruit the rover drivers. They actually have people driving the steering wheels and stuff. And they they said, they recruit the drivers. You have to have driven in LA traffic
for five years before you can. And that means that if you see a flaming car the road and a person in a gorilla suit waving for help, you keep driving. You don't even make eye contact with it. And yeah, that's what they do. If they see something strange, keep driving. They don't. It's funny. There was a joke. This is a few years ago. Uh, one of the other early rovers is driving by what looked like a huge statue, a megalithic statue with arm, a part of
an arm and shoulder and uh, you the camera caught it. And there's a whole group that's wiping these photos clean or or blurring them out, or or making them poor resolution, you know, very raw. But it was posted and there's another have one. They have one picture looks and it's there's two images and it looks like carving from the Aztecs of some idol. Yeah, so you know this was like through somebody wasn't paying close attention. They
were drinking their coffee. No. I was thinking about Brian, because you could do a whole documentary on the anomalous imagery that is being found not only by the satellites but by these rovers. They can't you know, you're talking about landing them into some desert island where there's no cities, buildings or ruins.
They can't help it though there the stuff's everywhere. If there's a beer can washed up on the beach and they get it in one of the pictures, I mean, Brian could Brian could do the statue about this and people screaming at each other. How did you let that through? It's a beer? Can you know? What do you say to that? Brian? I mean you could probably, like I said, you could do a whole program
on this, on these ruins that are just spread everywhere. Yes, you know, we we do devote a segment in the film talking about some of these rover images and what appears to be well, I just call them funny looking rocks, okay, called into question here, and we even have you know, one of these particular rocks examining in detail by by an engineer.
But yes, going forward, it's there's so many of these, Cliff and kudos to the independent Mars researchers out there across the world who spend their days just sifting through hundreds and thousands of images just hoping to find something. And they you know, you look long enough, you're bound to find something, and you know it's it's tireless, thankless work. But you know, I'd like to, you know, thank them today for doing that. But but
yes, I mean, it's one thing. The thing that people should know is that there are some people in this movie that hate other people in this movie. Okay, I don't anybody meaning there's there are some aspects to Mars.
If you're if you're okay, if you're a geologist, okay, and you're studying planetary geology, all right, you're not necessarily focused on the other questions related to biology, palaeontology, archaeology, okay, And when whenever you it's it's people want to have as as doctor Henry Levin, son of Doctor Gilivin, says in the film, who's a biologist, He says, NASA
isn't interested in life, They're interested in geology. So you know, I I Academia is quite reluctant to talk about anything but geology because it opens up a can of worms. Geology is safe to talk about. It doesn't feel uncomfortable. And even though you have Richard Hoover talking about microfossils and meteorites, very strong evidence too. You know, it's he's you know, he's he's an astrobiologist and he's got well he's also he's also an astrophysicist. So he's
a really smart guy. And I'm happy to have you know, quite quite intelligent folks in here, including doctor Branderberg and others. But you know, he he has a personal fascination with something called a diatom. Diatoms are these microscopic plant life okay, little little critters here that produce oxygen here on earth, a lot of it that we actually breathe, Okay, at least fifty
percent of the auction that we breathe here on Earth. And he has discovered diatoms and meteorites and so he just had a personal fascination with this growing up, even having some of his diatom photography featured in National Geographic and so he loves these things, and that's what he really loves discussing, you know, the Face on Mars and Sidonia. It's not it's it's not interested in that.
You know. Uh, I've I've had other people when making this film, you know, ask me, oh, well, you're going to talk to the face on Mars people. I said, well, I did speak with doctor Carlotto, in fact, his fractal analysis of this feature in Sidonia, you know, trying to you know, bring it bring it home here. But I think that because we've been discussing Mars for so long, you
know, the face on Mars has just been relegated to conspiracy theory. Wacko, okay, But I'm trying to to present it in a in a more more respectable way here. And I think that if you just simply listen to you know, doctor Carlotto's a smart guy, and if you could get past the stigma of the face and just listen to what he has to say and read his damn research paper where he he outlines it all and he's he's got it all quantified out in his paper. You know, I think there's something
here. I think there's enough there. And this is what I say in the film, is to to warrant a closer look. We I think it's I think it's too it's it's I question why they're NASA and JPL and others. I question why they simply dismiss these things, you know, just these strange looking rocks in the rover image, strange looking features from orbit of images. It's just like, if it looks like something, let's go take it.
Let's just go investigate and take a closer look. Don't tell me that there's nothing there when it's obvious that these things look unnatural and out of place. Let me ask you, Brian, Uh, when you were talking to Hoover and of course he's looking at the in the organic remains of in uh whatever by ologies there. When you present this uh uh potential civilization markers for a civilization, how does he react uninterested? You know? But that's that's
not that's not saying he's trying to downplay it. And I'm not just speaking about him. I'm speaking about it. Oh sorry, go ahead, doctor Randiburgh. But yeah. I actually had a very nice conversation with him at one point, and he basically said, I can only handle one controversy at a time. He said, well, okay, let's put it. This I'm doing is very is very controversial, and uh, you know, I'm being attacked for that. I have to defend myself and things like that.
He says, I can't afford. You know, what's what's controversial about him that there's certain kinds of microbes that are not we didn't know about. I mean, what's the big deal microfossils and meteorites is controversial, Cliff, Cliff, your reaction is entirely logical. This is this is the whole joke that they put a multi billion dollar rover on the planet that is designed to extract
micro fossils and evidence of a dead plankton. I'm just using plankton as another term and then shooting it up to be captured by a orbiting rocket to be sent home. Who cares? Oh, by the way, they have already written papers based on the idea that once you open the canister on Earth, it's already contaminated because Earth, of course, is for life, and the
Diet Times got it in there somehow because the lab was sloppy. I mean, that's what these people we're going to say this, you know, the there's a statement that says nothing is fool proof because fools are much too clever. Yeah, Brian, As we get close to the conclusion of our program, was there anyone present or past affiliated with NASA that was drawn to wanting
to know more? Oh? Goodness, there there might be Okay to answer this question, I'd like to re answer the question you asked me about Hoover. You know, it's one thing to ask him and put him on the spot on a camera and say, hey, you know, what do you think of Sidonia? And you know, I think his his public opinion, my professional opinion might be you know, well, it's it's not for me to say I'm on an interested in that. I was my word, not
his. Personally, he probably does have a fascination with it. I know that he called me up on the phone and we talked about the Congress hearing with David Grush and and all the stuff that David Gruss was talking about, the biologics and such, which got him excited. So I think personally there's there's some interest there. But as doctor Brandebarg points out, professionally, what
is he willing to admit? You know, he can only handle one controversy at a time, and anytime you go anywhere near the face on Mars, well there's a certain stink with it, and so a fragrance. Fragrance. Yeah, yeah, I did get a sense even from working with a few people in this film that you know, they were they were hesitant to work with me because I was addressing the face on Mars uh and and other things in the film. But you know, I just stayed stayed true to to
the cause. But you know, what what we really need to do is to build public support for If you take a look at NASA or SpaceX or even the Chinese Space Agency, European Space Agency, they're interested in getting humans to Mars. There's a big public push to get humans to Mars, the colonization aspect of all this. You know, SpaceX they're not interested in answering
this question about microbial life. They care more about getting the rocket to work and getting it to Mars, you know, so you know, the public. I think the only our way into this discussion here to to include these institutions is to talk about astronauts safety, because we don't want to put our
astronauts in harm's way. So, you know, if we can frame it that way, like, hey, before you start sending astronauts to Mars, it would be you know, we need to do our due diligence, As doctor Professor Hoover says in the film of Confirming the biological microbial life that is on the planet, make sure it, you know, let's make sure it doesn't eat our flesh off or something like that, or kill us immediately.
There are these questions that we need to answer before putting humans in harms way, and we can't simply ignore it. I think we can delay having this conversation, but we can't simply ignore it. So I think we need to get the public more comfortable with the fact that there's a lot more going on with Mars, so that our institutions are more comfortable talking about it themselves. Yeah, what was the ultimate goal of this movie Blue Planet Red? Was
it just, would you say, to give people some new data? Was it a hope that they would look beyond the Red planet itself and consider it as more than just another goal for NASA to achieve man not only flight around it, but actually boots on the ground. Well, as you know, Cliff, I'm sure you could appreciate this. People with natural curiosity about who
we are, where do we come from? Are we alone? These sorts of questions that I know your podcast and your work does a lot to try to answer, at least as it relates to, you know, these these ancient historical sites here on Earth, but going beyond that, you know, especially in the wake of all of the conversation related to UFOs and UAPs these
days in the news, which is getting a lot of attention. It seems like it's blowing up online and there's a lot of credible people covering it, reporting on it, and experts weighing in on it and gaining traction each day. Doctor Branderburg can speak to this. He likes to bring up World War Two as an analogy for what's happening here, and I'll let him explain a little bit. But Mars has something to contribute to that. It's not just this desert wasteland like we think of it as. It's got a whole lot
more to it. There's a story behind it. If it once was blue but now it's red. Number one, what happened to the planet? And number two, what life is there now and what life used to be there? And when we look to the cosmos trying to answer this question, are we alone? If there's evidence that our next door neighbor not only had microbial life, but intelligent life on it, and then what happened to that intelligent life? How does that help inform us about who we are in the cosmos?
So I think, you know, we're trying to answer this question about who we are, and I think we have to start looking outside of our planet, even if it's uncomfortable, to help to help inform this. And so through the problem this this discussion about the school cure Mars, there's the
UFOs and then there's Mars. And I argue there's a lot more direct evidence from Mars that we can present to people, suggesting them that they should take a look because it looks like there's a lot more to the planet than we originally suspected. And I'm being vague here because for those of you who haven't seen the film, you know, doctor Brandenburg's work is among the heaviest aspects
of this. You know, there's there's life, but then there's also death, and when we answer this question of death, it gets quite scary. You know. After reading his book, I stayed up for three nights because it just haunted me. Yeah. You know this is old news for you and Icliff, but you know, for people who don't know about this kind of stuff, it's heavy. Yeah. John. As we conclude, I wanted to ask you, Yes, I think that we're at a time in
our history where disclosure is important. Yes, And if it came out that there wasn't an ancient race of beings on the planet Mars, I think it would be a good thing. And I think by I think by covering this thing up and keeping it under under wraps, they do us a disservice, wouldn't you say? Oh? I think so. I think it's holding up the intellectual development of the entire human race. You know, Brian actually summarized it very nicely. But I'll just add that we're dealing now not with just
a UFO cover up. We're dealing with an ET cover up. We have a Mars cover up. We have a UFO cover up, we have effectively a cover up of pan spermia, you know, the microbes and the meteorites. And uh so, NASA is facing an impossible and the government, the whole government is facing an impossible task of stopping all of these efforts from moving forward. They must, we must have disclosure, and people have to well, people have to be wise, strong and brave to face the new cosmos.
But I believe, with God's help we will. Our future will look like Star Trek. It may be difficult, difficult, It's like it's like childbirth. It's difficult when it happens, but we it's the path of life. I would think that disclosing an ancient lost race that's millions of years gone would be an easier opening to ET revelation than I believe. Discussing the yeah,
discussing the pilots behind the current UAP wave that's hard for NASA. Oh yes, and the military's got involved in it, and you know, it's like, we don't want people to know who's right. I mean, they're talking about UAPs now, which is kind of interesting, but they're more interested in the propulsion systems of these vehicles rather than the beings that are operating them.
Exactly, because if you start talking about that's it said, that's above our pay grade to worry about who's flying, why they're being why are they are here. Let's just worry about how they fly. Right. The documentaries called Blue Planet Red. My guests today have been Brian Dobbs and doctor John Brandenburg. Brian, let people know how they can get a chance to see this documentary and give us your weblink and some of the contact information that you
have available. Yes for the Thank you, Cliff. For those interested in seeing it, please go to blue Planetred dot net. You can see the trailer and access the film on vimeo. There we also sell blu rays for those of you who are interested. You can also follow myself superb by the way, oh thank you. You can also follow me on Twitter at Brian
Corey Dobbs and doctor Brandenburg is on Twitter as well. He's at PhD Brandenburg and I'm happy to say, doctor Brandenburg, his popularity on Twitter is skyrocketing and I'm happy to see that. So I'm not famous, I'm infamous. So please join us on Twitter, and you know, let us know what you think of the film. All right, Hey, great to have you both, and thank you success on this, Brian, Yeah, you just you basically just launched this. What it was October of last year or of
November November, yes, November, so it's fairly it's fairly new. And check it out on Vimeo. So congratulations and much success. Thank you very much. Buff Yes, Brian, good work and thank you Cliff. You can see the entire documentary on Vimeo. I'll have it on the Facebook page. I mean, you can also go to Vimeo and type in Blue Planet Red and you can download it there. I think they're there for twenty four
hour rental, it's five bucks. If you want to buy it, you can actually buy it's almost two hours, and that's nineteen bucks for the full documentary. So he didn't mention that. Always happy to help and I hope it wakes some people up. We can't say anything more about the United States government and especially these the administrative staff behind NASA's reluctance to really give us the details. It's going to be in your face from the ets, is what
it looks like, or it's just going to happen, you know. I don't know how long it's going to take to get boots on the ground to Mars. Maybe another twenty years. I mean, these things take a long time. We didn't even talk about the Artemis program. If you remember, we had Shannance Sony, the aerospace engineer, talking about the Artemis program and the first woman will walking on the Moon and they're also going to do some
tests. I posted a number of graphics showing I think it's Artemis one, two, and three, and the ultimate goal is to get boots on the ground on Mars. I cannot remember what the time factor was, but I think it's like, you know, at least ten years, if not more, and tens of billions of dollars spent on this. What the hell the rovers are doing is beyond me. It's just really really ridiculous, almost asinine that they're spending Each of the rovers is two point five billion dollars and they're
searching for microbes. You know, who cares. If they're going to do anything, they should be preparing for our Artomis program, like looking using special satellites, sending satellites to Mars to image areas that would be good for setting up a colony. And it's likely they already know this because we have NASA has sent really top notch satellites to image the surface. And of course as they're imaging and looking for a new city colonized area, they're running into the
ruins. So it's really it's funny. It's like they somebody should go rogue on them and just expose them with some really amazing releases of photographs. I love that. Go rogue on NASA if someone's listening and they're really good with hacking, hack into their database and just start spinning on the images of not only the Sidonia reason, but Atlantis Galactus. I think that's I can't I think that was the name of it. Where there's huge ruins next to a
lake, a former lake. It's all burnt up now, but you can see the streets, you can see the buildings, and it's like, give me a break, just reveal it, you know, I mean, what, how does a scenario. Go when NASA is exposed for their lies. I guess it's the same scenario about you know, governmental agencies. I guess maybe I'm just naive. You guys listening that work for NASA are going cliff.
You just don't get it. It's it's layered in. You know, we sign non disclosures, and you know, Shenas gave us a sense of it. But she seems very I mean, wasn't she a fresh breath of air? Of course, she's an aerospace engineer, she's not an administrator, and she's not looking at camera data or footage or images from the surface of Mars. No, she's worried about the arnymous rockets and the man the program going to the moon. There's also rules on the moon apparently too on the
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