Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. It's that time of the week again. Hey, Hey, how are you? You don't hope you're okay? Today? Hey, we're talking about prophecy today in the form of astrology. We've had a couple of astrologers on the program in the last couple of years, typically in January, because that's the beginning. You know, it's funny. I'm thinking we should get a Chinese astrologer on sometimes
maybe that's twenty twenty five. The new year starts later, starts in I think early February, and so that's a whole different animal, a whole different look at the earth and the human beings you and I that occupy the earth. Today we're talking about sidarial astrology, which is Hindu. It's ancient, and my guest today is an expert and he's been I think he's he's worked on five thousand different individual charts over the years and trained I think it's like
one hundred people. He's been doing it for over ten years, so he sounds pretty accurate. He was suggested to me by my producer, Gail Tour Thank you, Gail. But sidarial astrology follows the actions of the constellations and also the planets, and what makes it interesting isn't And I gotta say this years ago. I want to say, like twenty years ago, I had
a reading by a siderial or a Hindu astrologer. It was very, very accurate and at that time, and this was an from an I think he was from Bangalore and he was an Indian born and his whole take on things, which I kind of like now, is the energy the influences of these planets on biology on us. And it's really funny. I never really get a straight answer as to how astrology came about. It's kind of like yoga. It's been around for thousands of years. I mean, yoga conservatively has
been around for five thousand years. Astrology is probably ageless. It probably goes beyond the dynastic, well, we know it goes beyond the dynastic. Egyptians when we do our annual Grand Egyptian Tour, we stop in at Hathor, which is an astronomical temple. You go to the very top and it's made
for observing the sky. There's also a huge astrological calendar on one of the roosts that one of Napoleon's engineers removed and you can see the original one in the louver in Paris, but they made a copy of it, and the copy has been placed back where this engineer removed it, and it's fascinating and you can actually buy reproductions of it, hand painted reproductions. I have one in my front room of this astrological chart or calendar as it originally appeared.
It's got a lot of amazing energy. So it's interesting to note how far back astrology actually falls or originates. I have to think that it's beyond our history to be able to accurately understand it, because the previous epoch, those people were all about subtle energy, how the Sun influences us energetically, how the planets influence us, and your right of free will, your right as a biological entity on the planet Earth to have the ability to intend things to
happen. And so I fully believe that the astrological formulas of Hindu Tropical I think there's another one called Draco or something like that, astrology comes into being and influences. So it's really a critical way to see things because you can learn ahead of time planetary influences on your life and make decisions on that. I mean, everyone knows about mercury retrograde. When mercury is retrograding, you shouldn't be signing any documents. You shouldn't be doing anything that is related to
major changes. You should kind of be mellow while it's it's retrograding, so that you don't get into trouble. It's funny because I didn't care about it for a while and then I thought, wait a minute, I'm having your problems here during this retrograde. I need to pay more attention. And this is what happens. You've become more aligned with these phases and predicaments that you're
signing is passing into and you can make major changes relationships. You know, if your girlfriend or your boyfriend, or your husband or your wife or your lover or whatever is falling into a certain trend, you need to be clear of that. So today we're going to hear about trends for twenty twenty four and also trends that go beyond, are beyond one year or twelve months. We're going to go into some heavy trends. One of them is kind of
interesting. It's a trend it's a predicament, an outlook for the for the country of the United States of America. I'm going to ask my guest today about that. So today's program is Astrological Predictions for twenty twenty four and beyond, and my guest is athen Cimenti. Saba Tours is well organized. Everything flowed easily. It was a fantastic tour from beginning to end. To be honest, I was shocked by the private visits. I could not believe that
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the food, the beverages and the environment is first class. For more information, please go to Earthancients dot com Forward slash tours all the informations there The Earth Ancients Grand Egyptian Tour April twenty eighth through May ninth. He Each year I try to have a prognosticator on the program in the form of an astrologer. In the past, we've had people like celebrated astrologers like Susan Miller. We've had a couple of other people who are authors and this is uh.
It's always fun to have people talk about what's going to happen in the year to come and kind of projecting out beyond that. But today I'm happy to say we're doing it a little differently in the form of a much more accurate astrology, which is sidereal, which is the Hindu form of astrology. It's much more accurate because it deals with the constellations rather than just the planets, and I have an expert on today. His name is Athyn Jimenti.
He has been practicing for eleven years. He has and this is on his website, by the way, and we'll talk about his website a little bit later. He has helped more than five thousand people worldwide why to investigate their background. He's also taught more than one hundred astrologers. He's a true expert
and I'm really happy to have him on the program. So we're going to learn all about what's happening in a few areas of this year twenty twenty four, and we'll see what's going on. So come, welcome to Destiny. Great to see you, Great to be on. Thank you, Cliff. All right, right off the bat, most people are checking out and viewing what is known as tropal astrology. What's the difference between tropical and sidereal,
Right, So, if you're in the West, you're using tropical. You know, not too many people would know that or put the label on it. And the label is not important eiter either. But when you're in the West, you're essentially using a seasonal system, and it's a system that doesn't reflect the visible sky, so you know how you have your horoscope or your sun's sign, and you know, vast majority of people at least know their sun sign. The truth is is that that's not actually where the sun was
when you were born. The chances there's a chance that it is, it's a very small chance, but usually it's this sign before. Why that is is because about two thousand years ago, the West had fixed the zodiac signs around the seasons, so that you know, every spring equinox starts the zodiac and that's why you know, we have those consistent dates for all the zodiac signs, and there are always those you know, thirty days, very consistent.
But we have this what's called procession, which is a slow wobble at least that's what the signists say, is a slow wobble of the earth that slowly changes the star's relative to the seasons. So in other words, the sun doesn't actually go back to the same place every year. Now that's very subtle. It's one degree every seventy two years, So every seventy two years the sun moves one degree. That's three hundred and sixty for the whole sky.
Very subtle. But we've been about two thousand years now into this system, and so now we're a full sign and sometimes even two full signs away. So long story short, if you're in the west, you're probably using
the tropical system. It's not where everything is visibly in the sky, and unfortunately most people don't know that, like you pointed out in the east, like in India, they have stayed true to the visible sky in their form of sidereal, but even there they've simplified things to using an even thirty degrees for all the signs, whereas if you do look up at the visible sky
you will see that the constellations are different sizes. Okay, so Leo is very large, Vigoes very large, Cancer is very small, Scorpios very small. So what we're using here is called true saidarial, which is essentially saying we're using the true sky trying to get as close to that as possible. Anyways, and it's essentially like a planetarium if you were to go onto a
planetarium and look at the sky or literally go outside. This is the form of astrology we're using, which unfortunately ninety nine zero point nine percent of the world is not using. And so when someone believes that their planets aren't a certain sign A lot of the times they're not, and so that's where ideal comes in, and that's basically the cornerstone of mastering the zodiac. Talk a little bit about energetic influences that a lot of people don't understand that astrology is
based on planets, constellations, stars influencing biology and planetary form. Here we're talking about Earth. How does that work as an astrologer? Are the influence? Says? Talk about Pluto because we're going to bring this into the discussion here in a minute. Is it the gravity of Pluto that's influencing biology human form? Is it the or another unseen force that is an influential factor of humans here on Earth. Yeah, that's a great question. So I view
it differently than the traditional way of thinking about how astrology works. So traditionally we think of Newtonian physics. We think that where there's some effect like that, the planets are having some sort of effect on us. So the planets are, through gravity or electromagnetism, whatever, having some Newtonian physical effect on
us in some way. I don't come from that belief. The way I see it is that astrology is just a clock and if you believe in cycles, and you believe that there's other cycles, maybe just the seasons, like for example, that perhaps the whole Solar System is going through cycles, or the whole galaxy or the whole universe itself is part of a giant, let's say cog that goes through cycles, then it would make sense that each piece
of that cog would be also be part of that cycle. So I think all we're doing with astrology is we're just using the planets as a way to tell time. It's really the only real, you know, natural way of telling time, the natural clock. And I think all we've done in ancient history is just notice that certain things happen at certain times when these planets go
into certain parts or certain configurations. And I don't believe that it's those planets that are doing anything as much as we're just reading what time it is in this larger cog. And when something's happening in that larger cog, it's affecting not only the whole cog itself, but the Solar System and us individually as
within. So without would probably be a good way of describing that, you know, we're all going through the same motions It's almost like you could you could figure out the whole universe by taking apart just one little piece of the universe, and within that piece would contain theoretically everything you need to know about the universe. Right, So it's the same idea that you can look at
any one piece of the universe. In this case, we're using the timekeeper of the planets to start to build a system to determine where we're at in these cycles and what that might mean for us, you know, individually who are part of that cycle, and also collectively we are going through those cycles
as well. Let's let's do a quick example. Say you're doing a chart for somebody who wants to know about their wellness, their health, and you're looking through and you're calculating what influences will be in place for twenty twenty four, and you see Saturn as a key figure in an individual's wellness. How as an astrologer do you go about figuring out if this is going to be a good wellness year or not a good wellness year? And an individual needs
to look closer make sure that they address every suspected health problem. Is that something where you would go okay, I see the numbers here falling off or give us an idea of how you would read that, right, So just tying it into you know, this idea of where we're at in the cycles. So you know when we're born the sky, you know, we're born at a certain part of that cycle. And what we figured out with astrology
is that individuals will hold the frequency of that for their whole lives. So this is what we would call the natal chart or the birth chart, which is basically the sky when the person was born, right, and we would
use that to make these kinds of determinations. Now from that point of birth, then the plants are continuing to move, so then we have what are called transits, which is where we get these what are now the visible planets or the planets in the sky now, and how that aspects are influences the
natal chart or the sky when the person was born. So when, for example, Saturn goes into a certain configuration with that person's natal chart, or let's put it simply, wherever Saturn was when that person was born or wherever their son was whenever they were born, and Saturn is making some sort of
configuration to that. Figured out that these certain con configurations are more challenging, some are more easy, and they can determine, you know, like you said, certain parts of life being activated, like career or health or things like this, and Saturn being a good example you mentioned because Saturn is the planet of more restriction, we do tend to see that when Saturn is influencing let's say a health sector, it does tend to be more restrictive. Now,
I don't come from the camp that our future has been predetermined. Fully, I don't believe we're just going through the motions of a predetermined life. I do believe in free will. But like we've said, you know, there are cycles, and that's what astrology can help us see. Okay, where are we in this cycle? And then how can we work with that cycle in the most constructive and healthy way. So if Saturn is going through a challenging configuration with a health sector, for example, we can work with
it, mitigate it, perhaps bring or light to it. And that's really where I like to come in with astrology is less like predicting the future, although it's fun and I enjoy doing it, especially for collective things, which I'd like to do, you know, in the show as well. But I really like to focus on the personal development standpoint, and that's what I really think astrology is best used for. Is how can you work with your blueprint, your sky when you were born, but also in these certain time
periods where that gets activated in certain ways through these transits. How can we work with these years or these time periods constructively as well? Oh okay, excellent on that note, how do you suggest that your clients incorporate astrology into
their lives? In other words, when you do the chart of an individual, I would think that you sit down with them and kind of go over the high points, and then do you record the work and send them with an audio tape as well as a printed layout of their of their constellations? Or how do you work with your clients all of the above. So the most common is to get a report. So I've created this report and it's
basically the interpretations of that natal chart of this guy when they're born. And that's super helpful because it gives you a roadmap and it's printed and you can reference it. But of course I do one on one sessions as well through Zoom, just like this and MP three reading. So for those that don't want to, you know, have a face to face and would rather just
listen to the interpretations that I say. Also, do an MP three recording where I just talked for about thirty minutes on you know everything I see for them, okay, and for the uninitiated person who's not familiar with astrology. When you provide a chart, are you suggesting if a person has an obvious issue with a health problem that could come up, or financial or relationship. Are you highlighting these high points low points or are you just reading it straightforward
and you're waiting for the recipient the client to ask questions. Well, I'm always open to questions obviously, and you know that's how the readings are set up, like what would you like to focus on today? And you know, what areas of life would you like to look at? Of course, but I do have a methodology and that's the first look at the life path.
So again the natal chart can show us this path, which is super helpful because when we do have these experiences, whatever the experience is, like you said, financial, you know, career, whatever, we can navigate it. And again that's bringing in the free will side. So I really like to look at the life path it helps us tremendously with making choices. It's often where we have forks in the road, a push and pull,
where we feel the most stuck in our lives. So really, I find myself more and more just talking about the life path, because if we can get a good handle on that path and we know how to work with it, then all these other experiences are just sort of going through the you know, it's just a sort of opportunity, let's say, to readjust the life
path. And more importantly, when the life path is in alignment, when it is balanced, when we are we're never off of it, but we are consciously in alignment with it, it really does bring more fulfillment to our lives. And not that we won't have, of course, life's challenges. We're supposed to be challenging ourselves in this life and that's very healthy. But you know, those feelings of being stuck, powerlessness, confusion, uncertainty.
I believe you know, deep down, we all know what our life path is, we all know who we are, but we you know, we can get lost in the noise of things in life, and astrology is super helpful in helping sift away that noise. So that we can get back to that inner knowing, and that's really where I like to focus is on really giving the person that confirmation to connect to that deeper part of themselves that does already know what that path is and how to navigate and how to work with
it. So a lot, you know, so from that clarity and all that, but that's what I like to focus on, and then hopefully from that one session, they won't need astrology anymore. To be honest, that's at least my goal. It's nice to look at the year and to see what the weather looks like. But at the end of the day, if you're in alignment with your path, you know, like I said, it
just brings more fulfillment to life in general. Let me just ask you a real quick question and then we're going to move on to some national and global trends. If somebody comes to you who's had a great deal of problems with relationships, perhaps the multiple divorces, or are questioning a current relationship because they're getting some subtle hints about positive or negative, how can you help that individual?
So again, we would you know, what I would like to do is go deep into the life path the person is you know that they're in a relationship with is some aere is playing a role somewhere on this journey, on this path, we want to figure out where that is. We want to figure out where the person is oriented in the relationship. Are they going too far into their past karma as the Hindus would say, the comfort zones the path behind us? Are they maybe too far into the path in front
of them in the material world, maybe building too much karma? You know, So we can navigate the situation to figure out why it's challenging and then again make those calibrations and readjustments that are needed. Again, whether it's relationships or career or home or whatever the situation is, we can analyze that situation. In this case, maybe even analyze the other person and how they're again playing a role there to help us get some perspective and then make those recalibrations
that are likely needed if there's you know, challenges going on. Okay, excellent, All right, let's talk about countries. Do you look at, say the United States as an individual, how do you because we're going to ask I'm going to ask you some questions about government and different countries in the future. Do you look at it like, say, the United States as an individual, you do a chart for the US. Yeah. Again, it's like, you know, anything that's born has sky when they were born.
So the US has its constitution. I guess the Declaration of Independence seventeen seventy five, right, seventy six, Yeah, okay, so we would use the signing of the Declaration of Independence as the birth time, right right. You can do it for pets, you can do it for events, you can do it for businesses, you can do it for anything that has a birth. And again, it's not that it's an entity. I don't view it that the US is like an entity. I believe the individual is
the entity. But it is something that started at that time. And so when something starts at that time again, it's holding that frequency, it's holding that natal chart, and that does get influenced after that again by the transits, you know, and we can see that the thing that is birth there has that energy of that natal chart. So absolutely, you know, the
US has a natal chart. Other countries have it. Some other countries are much harder, you know, to differentiate what that is like in the UK, for example, like when was the birth of the UK, for example. Yeah, but you can, but you can still you know, use these beginnings of things to start to then analyze it and you know, make some predictions on it. Okay, let's talk about one that I think you suggested when we were working with you, which is a big event in the
USA's Pluto return. Apparently it hasn't been seen since the seventeen hundreds, well seventeen seventy six to be precise. Ah. So this is how accurate astrology can be sometimes. So what happened during the birth of the United States was Pluto was entering the sign of Capricorn. Now, again for those of you listening who are maybe expecting me to say some different signs right now, or
maybe you thought the Pluto return was a couple of years ago. Again, we are using the visibles and it is very different from mainstream astrology, and you're not going to hear this in the mainstream, okay, but if you literally go outside or use a planetarium, you will see Pluto is entering Capricorn. And the last time this happened was during the birth of the United States. Now, this is very significant because, as you said, it's not
just one country, it's the whole world had Pluto going into Capricorn. Now the US has this energy for its whole existence, but the whole world was going through this energy. So what is Pluto? What is Capricorn? So Pluto is considered the last body we look at in astrology, which represents final transformation. Pluto, for those of you into mythology, may know the mythology behind that, or Hades as it was in Greek mythology, as the god
of the underworld, the afterlife and death and transformation. So wherever this planet goes, there tends to be transformation, just put simply. And Capricorn, the sign of Capricorn is all about systems and structures. So in a societal sense, it rules governments, it rules political systems, it rules pretty much
any kind of system and structure that we depend on. So it's a very important sign, you know, collectively obviously, So what happened during the birth of the United States, and by the way, Pluto and Capricorn is a multi decade transit. Okay, so it's not just that year, but what we saw starting in seventeen seventy six and for the next roughly twenty years, was a complete transformation of the political systems. So prior to the late seventeen
hundreds, the world was dominated by monarchy pretty much. Then the US went into a republic. This caused Europe in many countries to do the same and a complete transformation. Now you could say monarchy is still in existence, but certainly not in the way that it was. And if you look at the French revolutions, you look at all the independence movements, you know, republics
being born. This is all the byproduct of Pluto and Capricorn. So the US is an embodiment of this right, the US Constitution and everything about freedom, individual rights and all this, but it was something going on collectively. So this is what we're going through again. Pluto is now entering Capricorn, which means it's the US Pluto return. We call it a return because Pluto is coming back to where it was in that natal chart when the US is born. So we can expect the same. Now, I'm not the same.
Obviously history does not repeat, but it does rhyme. So I'm not expecting you know, bloody revolutions like the French Revolution or anything like this, but certainly similar in that it's time to transform the current systems and everyone feels it, and everyone knows it, and it's just everyone knows we're on the cusp of it. So over the next you know, twenty years, this
is what we'll see. Our political systems will likely be extremely different twenty years from now than they are now or have been since the late seventeen hundreds. We have noticed some patterns here that we might actually go back to a more monarch or centralized control system as a possibility. I say that because there seems
to be an oscillation. So the Age of Enlightenment was the last time we had the Pluto, you know, just when it started coming out of the Dark Ages, and then prior to that was the Roman Empire transitioning into different forms, you know, entering into the Dark Ages. So we see this
kind of oscillation between more controlled systems and then or freer systems. So hopefully it's not too much controlled and you know, and again it's not going to be anything that's repeating exactly, but we could say that the earth might be, you know, civilizations might be oscillating between what we might call like I don't know, you know, like a kind of you know, more controlled government and then you know, more individual rights or freedom types of governments,
because you know, it all goes back, you know, as far back as Greece in this case, and we started having these kinds of governments. But but yeah, anyways, either way, transformations and it's a process. But the energy is actually starting this year. Pluto does enter into Capricorn just this February. I've been talking about this a lot for the past years.
It's it's this year and Pluto will officially enter in December. So these months don't mean anything, say, because the plant that there's no line between the constellations, So the planet Pluto, it's not like he just you know, enters and then all of a sudden this happens. It's like a barometer,
it's a spectrum. But the energy is certainly starting this year. Do you see a trend where we need to rewrite the constitution or added the laws replaced within the constitution that add and allow for more change that you're suggesting, Oh do I what? I'm sorry, Well, I mean, are you looking
or projecting changes in the American Constitution and the laws being changed also? I mean, I mean, I personally hope not because I think they're based on natural laws, natural rights, but I think there's certainly going to be transformations to the way we use it. The Constitution is of course more than the Bill of Rights, So the Constitution absolutely, I think hopefully, Like I said, the Bill of Rights stays me personally, but yeah, either way,
I think we could be seeing a complete change to the political system of the United States, hopefully again, you know, not too much. Countries like the UK, you know, I'm foreseeing that they'll probably get rid of the monarch completely. Maybe in other places as well, Australia, places like this, Europe I think will have each country would very much be transforming.
And then we'll see in the East. You know, it's possible that obviously a country like China could could adopt more maybe republic kind of principles, you know, is possible as well. So I am expecting that. Yeah, and across the board. So in the United States, we have a fairly divided political system. I think recently the Speaker of the House is being more compromised, focused more on compromising and getting laws passed between the Democrats and the
Republicans. We don't want to get political on the program, but this is a big year for the United States, and that it's the presidential election, and this is bringing up a lot of questions about what the future holds for the United States. You're giving us a hint that the political system is going
to change over a period of time. Obviously it won't be over twelve months, but you're foreseeing that this is the beginning of a shakeup, right, and so within that shakeup, I just want to re kind of pass over it again. What's going to change? Uh? Within other than the political system that you're suggesting. Uh? Is is it going to be some other systems that are we that are adopted or is it just an evolving spectrum situation. Yeah, like you said, I mean, it's it's systems across the
board. So now we can look at it maybe from the corporate perspective, you know, in the US, you know, we've got these companies that are still holding onto power basically, so I'm expecting complete transformations of you know, societal power, because that's a Pluto represents where we can transform and it brings in power and control and all these things of course, and and anything
that's holding onto the existing structure the most difficulty with it. So I think, you know, it's good collectively to be open to change with this transit in our own personal lives, to be transforming our own structures, our own dependencies, the things we've built, to be open to that. And that's the you know, the individual personal development side. Societally, I think we
should all be working together. I think no matter what, at the end of the day, no matter what your political ideology is, we all want the same thing. We all want the same outcome for the most part, as in individual freedom, I would imagine, so we can work together. I think working together in community and that's something that you know, we can see as well because we have Uranus and Taurus, which I want to talk about briefly as well, which is which is a big one. But you
know, we can come together to make the changes constructive. It doesn't again have to be a bloody revolution or anything like this, or civil war or something like this. Again, I don't think history is going to repeat in that way because we've evolved and so we don't have to fight wars literally anymore. As we've seen we don't need to do that. So using energy constructively, being willing to change, getting together for change, being open to change,
finding solutions for it. In the most harmonious and constructive way possible. That's what would have avoided the really deadly and really intense stuff we saw in the late seventeen hundreds. So now that's society is advanced more with information, with technology and all this, it doesn't have to be this way. So I would say anything that's about connecting, sharing ideas and being open and having these kinds of discussions no matter what the ideology is, I think is the
most important thing. So all in all, being open to change and implementing it constructively and positively. And yeah, not just in the political system, but through every kind of system right now that is just old and outworn and needs to go. You know, I think we can do that together. Yet, we're going to take a short commercial break and allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, Ethan Chimente
talking to us about siderial or Hindu astrology. We'll be right back. My guest today is Athan Cimente. He is a Saderio astrologer. This is the ancient version of the commonly used astrology that we pick up in our newspapers. This is much more accurate and He's given us a sense of what's happening. What are some of the things we can expect in twenty twenty four and beyond.
Let's talk about some trends that are happening in the United States. One of the big ones I'm really curious about is artificial intelligence, simply because it's being and I'm moving beyond chat, CPT or GPT and getting into the incorporation of artificial intelligence and everything. What do you see for that starting with this year? Right? So this was another true sidereal alignment because as soon as this whole AI think started wrapping up a year ago, Saturn entered Aquarius.
So we spotted this cycle of Saturn and Aquarius. So Saturn is the planet of structures and things we build, but Aquarius is about technology and innovative stuff. It also rules things of the sky and aliens and all kinds of other things that are very different that can really change society. The last time we had Saturn and Aquarius was when was in the mid nineties when everyone started to transition into the online realm with AOL and email and chat and all that.
So we're seeing the same pattern there. So yeah, so this is very likely. So Saturn has been here for years. Saturn will still be here through the whole rest of the year, and so I'm expecting it to be a very similar to the mid nineties, just the foundation. So obviously, again we're talking about cycles, so every time a planet comes into an area, it starts the cycle. So cycle is still being birthed this year and
next year. We could say we're in the halfway point of the birthing of it, which would mean that what we're probably going to see over the next for Saturday, in the next twenty nine years will be the things we see get birthed last year and this year, which, as you said, is very likely to be AI. So it's very likely that what we're seeing is a new way of communicating, a new Internet, if you will, all
this stuff we're seeing with automation and robotics. In other words, we're probably not going to see any which like literal new things after twenty twenty four, as much as we're going to see the building of what's already been birthed in
twenty three and twenty four. In other words, much like the Internet has evolved so much for those twenty nine years, we could still see that it was birthed in the mid nineties, so good time to pay attention for that, and again to do this in our own lives, to use technology to the utmost, learn as much as possible about innovative things right now, really
start the process as quickly as possible, get ahead of the curve. I think that's going to really help a bunch of people and businesses and whatnot. And again, it's all part of the larger cycle, so we'll see new companies, obviously, new things coming out of this, new technologies obviously we're seeing, but it's all in the very very early stages and probably a transition out of the previous cycle. So you know, we're probably not going to
use the Internet by the end of the cycle, is my guess. For example, the Internet will probably be more like the library where you only have to go, you know, search for things if you're doing like research or something. So what you're suggesting, understand, uh, Ethan, is the the the AI will come in and it's adoption will basically render the Internet obsolete. And you're talking about forms of communication where you ask a question and you
get immediate data from an AI source. Is that what you're suggesting that's what I think. Yeah. So obviously the internet is it was is part of it. So, but the Internet will be more like the neurons of the AI. You know. It's it's it's it's like getting cloud cloud cloud data is what it will be. Yeah, exactly. So it's getting all the information from the Internet and you can feed it information to the net and you
can go look at its brain thro the in net, you know. But I just mean, you know, in the way that we've used the Internet, where you like with a mouse go to the to a website and make a purchase or whatever, you just won't have to do that. You know, You'll just say, hey, I need some new socks, and the AI will say, okay, it'll be to your house in well maybe in a couple hours because we'll have drums, you know, but whatever. It will be more I think conversational, more, you know, maybe glasses or
something. I don't know. But the point is is what we're seeing these couple of years is extremely important for the foundation of technology for the next twenty nine years for sure, and also a transition from the previous twenty nine into this new twenty nine. Let's look at it from the other side for a minute, there's a great deal of fear of a AI that is ultimately the
demise of human civilization. I think that's more of a negative aspect. But can you address the fear that a lot of people have when you have a self replicating entity in a way, not necessarily with a soul, pure technology, but perhaps some scientists is able to imprint human cells or something and all of a sudden it can replicate. And I'm just giving you the worst case scenario. What do you see on that at all? No, that's that's exactly how I say. No, I'm scared. You know, you know,
there's things to be constructively scared about. I don't like fear, and I don't like promoting fear, but there are things to be concerned about, and I think it's definitely one of them. Yeah, I mean you don't even need cells to do it, because with robotics, I mean, you know, we're basically the way I see is, we're basically birthing a new species and in many ways we'll be superior to humans. Not in a fundamental
sense. I don't believe in a fundamental sense at all. I don't think that we could birth something that is fundamentally in a natural sense, you know, more powerful than us in like a spiritual way particularly, But we are birthing i think, a new species, and it's very important that we you know, maintain as much control in this process. But it is inevitable. So again, the systems and structures, I mean, it's all, you know, it's all part of the same site. You know, it's just
different cycles and it's all telling a story here. And you know, I think just society as we've seen it is going to be changing over the next
twenty years. And you know, it's very likely that you know, for example, we just don't have to work and there is like a universal basic income, and we are living in a more socialist or monarch type of situation where you have like lords and vassals again where like landownership becomes everything because well labor is not worth worth anything anymore, so it's really just comes down to
resources. So it similar you know, to that. But at the end of the day, again, this is why it's good to be adaptive and flexible and again build a system that benefits everybody and not just the elites. We're obviously trying to maintain all the power, which is why we're seeing such as squeezing in society. But again this can transform for the better, just the same way it did, you know, in the late seventeen hundreds.
So either way, I see, you know, I don't see the death of humanity or the destruction of humanity or anything, or even in a grand scale at all. If you look at the grander scheme of things, we've been in a spiral up trend. Now it's not always up, but I say trend because it's up and down. But the trend has been up for individual freedoms for sure, Like if you look at the birth of civilization, individual freedoms have been incrementally increasing since then. So I think it's all for
the best. We just yeah, have to be careful so we don't have too much what's the word casualties or what's the word flashback of you know, shrapnel from this new technology. Yeah, I think there's something very positive about it, but I think there has to be guidance in place. On that note, and you kind of hinted on it. The economy of super wealth and on the other side, people who are deeply in despair and for lack of education, for lack of resources have fallen into this subcategory of poverty,
which is becoming more prevalent in the United States. How do you see, say, the next five years, including twenty twenty four, for the people who live in the United States, it will be a bit more sol programs to help them. Is government looking because it doesn't look like government's looking right now at the average Joe. It's kind of like you're on your own.
Here's a few social programs. I will say this though. The baby boomers are a huge, huge part of the population, and there are some social programs in place, but social security doesn't provide a parachute a landing for a lot of people, and a lot of people are expecting that as a source of income. To talk a little bit about United States social programs and the inequities of super rich and the super poor. Yeah, and I'll talk about
it for the whole Western world. I mean the whole world because it is part of this Uranus in Taurus. So Taurus is the consolation of finance. Okay, in the zodiac when you're looking at it collectively like this, So economics financed what we consider money value resources at the most fundamental level. Night
natural resources and fundamental level. So Uranus is going in here. Now Urness is the technology planet, so there's going to be lots of innovations here for his what will be eight year actually more like ten year transit, which is again also starting this year, which is again why I've been talking so much about this year for so many years. But Urine, it starts to enter here in a in May or yeah, April, he'll con join Jupiter. In May, he'll start to enter, which suggests that we're going to see
a lot of innovation here. So obviously, you know, it goes without saying we're going to see more technology with finance. I mean it's going to
take the form of what we've seen so far as cryptocurrency. But obviously it's going to happen in a societal sense where you've already got governments like the Year Union talking about cbdc's you know, central bank digital currencies and basically a system where the central this is what they want, and I hope it doesn't turn into this personally because it's just more centralized power, but what they want.
I think the endgame there for them in the banking system and the financial system is that each of the central banks will issue these currencies digitally, so they can have direct control over the printing. But the problem with the way they're printing money now is that it takes so long to have an effect on the economy because it doesn't go straight to the people. Like you're saying, they
want complete control. They want to they want to basically push a button and have everyone spend money, and then push another button have everyone stop or slow it. Not even everyone. They want they want to like completely micro manage this whole thing, and they can do it with with the blockchain. If the central bank creates a CBDC and everyone's on a form of universal basic income and the central bank is basically providing those funds to everybody, they can directly
control inflation. And I think that's what they want. I think inflation is obviously going to continue the whole financial and I hope the financial system transforms during this which is again next ten years. But of course, if you look at the any fiat system, which all the governments are using Fiat systems, they're all inflationary, and so this just destroys wealth and you can't, you
know, you have to basically work twice it's all debt based system. You have to work twice as hard tomorrow, and then the next time twice is hard, and the next day twice is hard in order to keep up with this beast of a system because you have to keep paying the debt back every time some thing gets printed. So anyways, I hope that that Fiat debt based system goes away. But the point here is I think, yeah,
it's gonna be a lot of innovation. So individually, I think it's such a good time for everyone to get financial education in general, to you know, use technologies in money that are more individual based, freedom based, you know, freedom of choice versus adopting and just buying into something that's the central Really, who I see is the elite or the banking elite getting a system system where everyone's dependent on them and they're just getting that money sent directly from
the government to them, and and you know the shot everything they buy, everything you purchase would be obviously tracked through the blockchain. It's just a very bad situation to have that much can control over individuals. If you think about controlling what people spend, or social credit system like in China where they can just turn off your money, turn off your account, or pay you based on your your social status, you know number. This is all possible with
the technology around the corner. So again another area where I hope that we can all get educated on how this technology can be used constructively, because obviously blockchain is a very beneficial system that can be used very well, uh, you know, for the benefit of everyone. And to do that, I think it's such a good time to take the reins on this one and you know, utilize this innovation in a way that's you know, constructive and breeds
more freedom instead of more top down control. When you say financial freedom technology, are you looking or suggesting that people you said it just now educate themselves on the financial outlooks but high yield savings or iras or things like that, or is there something else you're referring to. Well, at the end of the day, like the money itself doesn't really it's just a means of exchanging
goods and services. So I'm so glad you just said that, because what I really want to say about this, yeareness and Taurus, because again, Taurus is about fundamentally resources and it's about hopefully individual resources. I really hope is that everyone becomes less dependent on the system and more self reliance, but
not individually, I'm talking in communities, you know. So I hope that the world goes into a more nature based system where we can start to become a little bit more attuned to nature, so growing around food, having community gardens, growing more sustainably, not this mass agriculture that is destroying the planet, more intimate, more community situations of producing resources this way, right, And I think that's going to be a byproduct for sure over the next ten
years. I just hope that it's much larger than that. And of course cities can do this, so I'm not against obviously, like you know, larger, but once you get to federal levels and stuff, you know, I think by that point it's just it's too large. That's why smaller countries tend to do better with socialism because they're more intimate and they know each other and it's about community. So anyways, more community, you know, and more self reliance, whether it's energy, whether it's food, water, more
local, more nature based, more natural. Uh, this is what I hope to see. So so a sort of combination of you know, having a more natural, nature based system and also just being educated financially in the sense of utilizing resources constructively, because, like I said, this whole system is a completely irresponsible way of working with money. When your money is getting inflated, I mean, it's you know it, this is why things work so well, like when we had gold standards and like, you know,
things based more on actual physical commodities. This is going this is going to basically a collapse of the fiat system at some point. You know, you can't just keep printing exponentially. I expect that to go on forever. So I do hope that there's also going back to a more natural based currency system. Let's saying it has to be gold or whatever. You know, even bitcoin is more natural, way more natural than fiat because there's only a certain
amount and it's you know, can't be inflated away like that. So anyways, this kind of financial education in a sense of resources, but also how does money work and how can we work with money in a way that's very constructive so that we're not destroying our future like with debt based systems or our kids really, which is really a shame. I want to just touch on
one thing, and I'm interested in your response. I think I heard the other day that the American debt is something like thirty plus trillion dollars and that what we pay each year is just the interest. How is that going to play out? I mean, at some point we're going to have to pay that down so that it's not so extremely and I think it also places a burden not only on government but on society, doesn't it. Yeah, so this debt will never be paid off, and that's something that everyone really should
come to terms with because it's literally impossible. You literally can't with the system that we have, because it's a depth that every time the dollar, the government borrows a dollar, it owes a dollar back, and that's the only way a dollar gets created, or it gets created through your local bank when you go and get a loan. But either way, there's debt attached to every single dollar creation. So it's literally impossible to pay it off. So
you're dealing with one of two situations. Either bankruptcy, so it's like an individual who maxes out all their credit cards, and then governments start going bankrupt, and that's you know, really what we're going to see are large governments like the US going to go bankrupt. Probably not, because well, you know, they have the global reserve currency right now and you know there's more faith in it. But along the way there will definitely be bankrupt nations.
European unions already bailing countries out because they're going bankrupt basically, So you either go bankrupts or which means you don't pay it, which means everyone holding this bond, so everyone has all their money in bonds, which is really sad. That's just the government debt. But anyways, those people don't get paid back, or you inflated away. And if you look at history, the
governments have always chosen the inflated inflating away since scenario. So they will just keep printing because what happens is the more they print, the less that money is worth. So if they owe whatever trillion gazillion dollars, you know, they could print it, and the more they print, the money's worthless. So they could literally, like in an extreme example, the US could just print the gazillion dollar bill tomorrow and use it to pay off all their debt.
Yeah you know what I mean. So they'll inflate it away. That's what I think they'll do, And that's you know, again, really unfortunate. So that's why I'm recommending, you know, more financial freedom. So what I mean by that in this context is like, you know, as much as you can, and of course it's easier said than done, but being as little as little involved in the system, in the financial system as possible. Load load debt you mean, no, I mean like using dollars
or euros. Oh, I mean like pricing things in this stuff, I mean holding it, saving it. I do believe that, you know, there's good assets to all and even like companies like stocks or good assets like but when you're in the system getting paid in this and if you're in a fixed income or you're expecting some sort of I'm sorry, but if you're expecting, like you know, you know, a check from the government, whether
it's retirement or whatever, it is an inflationary system. It's practically worthless because it's just printed money, which means they print it and then by the time you get it, it just doesn't buy anything. This is this is what you see in hyperinflation. And I'm not saying it's going to necessarily go to these extremes, but this is what you see in places like Venezuela that go through this hyperinflationary situation. So more resources, more actual saving, and actual
hard assets like tangible things or cryptocurrency. If it's like bitcoin and it's actually tested and you know it's been around it, you know it's not nothing's full proof, but it's finite in its amounts and it can't be printed by the governments. Things like this I think are smart moves. Okay, moving forward, Let's move on, because that's getting a little bit depressing. I mentioned to you at the beginning that I was interested in talking about disclosure contact.
And there's a growing wave of unidentified aerial phenomenon and what it looks like as I study it is that these beings from whatever planetary systems that are coming from are obviously greatly in advance of us, but it looks like they are making an effort to show themselves a little more clearly. In other words, there's I've had astronomers from NASA on the program one or two who have taken pictures of these craft who are slowing down so that you can see the insignias,
the various design features of their craft. There hasn't been an outward meeting kind of growth. But I'm just curious what you what the what the constellations show for some kind of more greater disclosure. Yeah, I mean, I think it's certainly possible because, like I said, Saturn is an Aquarius, and so the constellation that rolls the sky and everything celestial and aliens and all of
it is Aquarius, and so it's possible. I will say this that if it doesn't happen this year, then it's not likely to happen for a while, a very long time. So yeah, so I think it's definitely a possibility this year, and we'll see how it plays out to what extent.
But it is the time of activating this if we want to drill into sometimes you know, February, just around late February going into early March, just you know, next month here we'll activate this, but it's the whole year, but I'll get activated kind of in a more immediate sense, and then again sort of April, so you know, it should you know, if it's going to it should play out however it's going to play out probably in the next four months, but give it the whole year, but it could
very well be to some extent. Now, talk to me a year ago, I was said, probably I would have been more optimistic that it would but the fact that it hasn't yet We've seen a lot and this is again where you can use astrology predictively, is last year we saw a lot of stuff coming out and still are and now governments like politicians are getting active about it, which is crazy. So yeah, it's definitely possible this year.
To what extents, I would say the chances are low that it's going to be something major at this point because we're already halfway through with this transit. But to some extent absolutely, I think disclosure is certainly possible. At least the framework for like future disclosure or future releases from in terms of whatever might get established this year with you know, the political side of it or yeah, you know, laws that might get passed regarding it to maybe open things
up more, you know, things like this. Okay, so just to kind of touch again on this, we've had disclosure from ex military intelligence people facing Congress. You touched on it also that there's people in Congress that want to get to the bottom of it. They're tired of the cover up. Do you have any sense at all of how much our government knows. There's always been speculation that they've worked with off world types in advancing our technology in
exchange for what. We don't know what. But can you take it a little further in terms of the transits that the constellations imposing more freedom of information you mean about that stuff specifically? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure. But I think it's
going to take time, is where I'm getting at with it. So I think it's a good year to build the communication frameworks, or the legal frameworks, or the systems in order to facilitate this for the future, you know what I mean. So for example, like I think it was Congress that just passed something where they're like supposed to now release some documents but enough for
another like twenty years or something like this. I can't remember exactly, but something like that, which is at least a step in the right direction. So I think with saddened, it's like we have to really think long term. Like I was saying, with the technology stuff, it's like a twenty nine year development. It takes time. When you say Saturn, that's a
slow moving planet. So that's why you're giving these long twenty year projections, right, yeah, slow moving and the energy of Saturn itself is about patients and like building structure. So like if you look at the rings of Saturn, it's you know, it's beautiful, it's like, but it takes so much time and patience and perseverance to do, you know, to to that's the that's the Saturn side of ourselves, is that patient and responsible side.
So anyway, so that's that's a good way to play it. And so let's use this year as a good foundation so that in this twenty nine year cycle when we get back to this, you know, societally thirty years from now, then everyone can hopefully have some full on you know, information and disclosure and maybe at that point, you know, a lot more. So we'll see. Okay, hey, as we close, I have a few questions on the environment, and then we want to give people a chance to
contact you. We want to give them your website and your other resources. One of the big issues that have been coming up lately, and I'm shocked at this, but the whole EV industry and electric electric vehicles has been taking it on the chin. First with hurts not renewing their teslas Secondly, in states where there's extreme coal, these electric cars like teslas are not working. It's a whole new phenomenon with environmental changes, most notably cold that these cars
are not working. And just yes, well just last week the CEO of Toyota said, we're not going to be investing in evs anymore. What do you see for I mean, and this is an environmental situation. These cars were developed so that we don't have so much pollutants in our atmosphere, which is a whole problem in itself. What do you see as a trend for evs and uh electric vehicles? Yeah, so again, so we've we've covered you know, it's main transits, so we can look at everything we've talked
about. So the the system, the structures. So from the Pluto side, you know, the oil industries, the all the industries that are built around oil, the political systems that are built around oil. All of this will hold on tooth and nail to the last breath. So you know, so there's also this very strong, you know system in place which will which will transform for sure, it's no doubt about it, like we said, but there you're going to hold on until they you know, till the very
end. So it's a funny. So it's it's a transformation of that coupled with now the innovation we're seeing with Saturn and like I said, the innovative planet of Urinus going into Taurus. I think what needs to have I think what's what we're seeing happening is that obviously electric vehicles and all this our technology, it's it going to be used positively and it's good. The problem, I think is that we're still so dependent on things, like you said,
like coal or just you know, very primitive ways of getting energy. That is the problem. So with Taurus again we talk about more nature, the more natural way of doing things, and so what I'm expecting is that over this ten years a lot of advancements in natural renewable energy. So obviously, but but I mean really ramping up. And I think this year we're going
to see it starting in terms of it ramping up. So obviously it's already on an uptrend, but I think government's starting to incorporate this again, it's way more serious now about it is really going to start ramping up this year and for the next ten years. So I'm expecting, you know, huge solar arrays, you know, wins return of bines. I mean, there's
a bit limitation there, so choose your natural technology. But I think that's where things are going to be ramping up up, and then electric vehicles and anything else that's dependent on the energy will make more sense. Right. But it's a it's a combination of a death of the old system because it's not
just and it's not just greedy people or anything like this. It's literally the way the system is set up logistics like you know, moving this stuff around the world, The whole system, all the resources, all the vested interest, the jobs, everything is set up around the way that it is. So it's a process. But I think that's what we'll see is you know, the huge advancements, not even advancements really, but you know, a huge push towards the renewable energy side, which then things like ev and all
that will start to come out naturally. But it's going to be a fight I think between you know that, and then obviously the the systems, those that are in control of the current energy system that won't want to So that's where we'll see a lot of also political you know, I don't know if you will. Yeah, my guess has been Athjimente and he is a Sudarial astrologer. If you want to get a hold of them, give us your give us your website, Athn and all your contact information. And uh,
I think you also have a blog on your website, don't you. Yeah, So on the website, it's all kinds of articles about the stuff we're talking today, talking about today. It's all based around truth, say Dariel.
So I do recommend every you know, anyone who's somewhat interested in astrology or the fact that we're part of these cycles and that these cycles don't affect us, but we're part of them, and that might sort of determine what our life energy is about to check out the online chart copulator that I have there. So you go to the website, you just click view your signs, and then you'll see exactly where all the plants were when you're born.
So for those into tropical again, you're probably not gonna like it too much because again it's not the sign you were told, probably, but it is where everything actually was. So I recommend everyone just start there. Just look at this guy when you're born, just see where everything's placed and then if you want more information, there's the report I was talking about. There's readings, there's resources like the articles, courses, you know, anything that you'd
want to go deeper with on there. But I would say, at the very least, type in your birthday and if you know your birth time, although it's not required, but if you know it, that's great too. And just type in your birthday and you'll see exactly where all the plants were when you were born. Okay, and you have a YouTube channel, what's the what's the link for that? So that'll be on the website too, on the website. Perfect, Yeah, everything's on the website. So the
website's mastering the Zodiac dot com, Mastering the Zodiac dot com. And and yeah, if it's okay with you, Cliff, I'd like to offer a fifty percent discount to your audience. So if you go to mastering Zodia dot com forward slash we'll say Destiny forward slash Destiny, you'll see the discount there. But first just check out the sky and if you want the full report describing what that might mean for you, there's also a free report you'll see
when you type it in. But if you want the full report, you'll get a fifty percent discount. Oh that's excellent. Thank you for that. Fantastic all right, athen thank you very much. Appreciate the insight into twenty twenty four and definitely beyond and not too heavy, not too negative, not too that's sad. I guess you could say it looks like there's some positives
as well of some growth that's that's coming up. So and again, to take it from the freewill side again, it's like everything's on the up trend towards the positive changes for sure. Okay, so even though some of the stuff we're talking about it's certainly deep. Again, there's things we can do and you know, working with the energy constructively. But yeah, it's all on the uptrend. It's all for the best, and it's all positively impacting
society at the end of the day, you know. Fantastic, all right, Hey, thanks again, it was a pleasure speaking with you. You Tick left, thank you. You know, I was thinking back when he was talking about the changes in the United States, how we view things politically, so forth and so on, civically structurally, I wonder what that means. I wanted to get more from that, but we didn't have enough time, so maybe you'll have to go back and listen get a sense of his
material. I'm going to post his website, his Facebook page and how to get a hold of him. And he just mentioned as we completed that he is offering a fifty discount for a for a sadarial reading. You need to have the month, the date of the year, and if you can get it the time that you were born, and he can give you a really
accurate readout and it's half price. I don't know what that is. And I'm gonna go ahead and post that on the Facebook page, but it will also be on the listing if you if you're on iTunes or you're on Spotify, wherever you get your data, your page notes on each podcast. Look there, I'll have it at the bottom under his bio. So, I mean, that was interesting. I wanted more. I wanted to get more of a sense of countrywide trends. What's happening in Ukraine and Russia, what's
happening in the Middle East, what's happening in Europe. We just didn't have time, and of course there's you know, those conflicts right now, we're heating up in the Pacific with the Chinese and our navy. The Chinese want to take back Taiwan. We don't want them to do that. Chinese and Taiwan's not so happy about it either. We have Gaza, the Israelis and the Palestine conflict. Is it going to bleed over into Egypt? God, I hope not. I mean, what's going to happen is I wanted to
get more of that so well, it's different for everybody. It's different for each astrologer too. Sometimes you have to sit on them a little longer to get more details. So there you have a bit of prophecy for twenty twenty four. Definitely goes beyond the twenty twenty four spectrum. We get into some other time periods, which is kind of fun. And I mean, I
don't know where to go for answers on this disclosure thing. I keep getting a sense, and this is maybe not good through social media YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, whatever, that there is going to be some major disclosure. And I mentioned this real quickly. I said, first of all, it seems like the off world types are wanting to make themselves more available. I mentioned that they're slowing their craft down, so you can take better pictures.
Our governments kind of coming up and saying, yeah, they're here. But it's funny because UAP's identify aerial phenomenon is more about what kind of craft are these? What's the proposal system? Well, I am interested in that, but I'm really interested in who the occupants are of these craft? What planet are you from? Why are you here? Is this an anthropological study of the earth LANs? I mean, really, that would be great to know that, hey, we're here and we're steadying you. I think it's gone
beyond that, though. I think they're going, Okay, we're testing the waters. I mean, in the sixties and seventies, we were shooting at UFOs in some cases. I think we still are. But I don't know if that's the case, that we still have the prerogative to shoot first and ask later. That's not going to be helpful at all. We're going to be decades before they sit their ships down and go, hey, welcome to the collective. I mean, we really are a military complex, in the
industrial military complex here in the United States. We spend billions, if not trillions every year on weaponry and it's gotten out of hand. God divert some of that money back into our country. Nobody would go hungry, everybody would have a place to sleep, and you know, it would be nice for those who are in retirement would get more money, and they're social Security because that's just complete crap, it really is. I have friends that have been
working in job situations where they get a retirement fund. You know, they get a pension. But that's not everybody. That's less than normal. Most people have to live on what savings they have. And also there's Social Security, and social Security is a joke. In fact, there was a lot of people that are really upset because you put in tens of thousands, in some cases hundreds of thousands of dollars and it trickles back to you, literally
trickles back in smaller amounts. So I don't know what the answer is, but it's it could be one of those situations that Athan was talking about where we have social change and they are the United States government has to change the
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