John Schulman (OpenAI Cofounder) — Reasoning, RLHF, & plan for 2027 AGI

Dwarkesh Podcast

May 15, 2024•1 hr 35 min

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Episode description

Chatted with John Schulman (cofounded OpenAI and led ChatGPT creation) on how posttraining tames the shoggoth, and the nature of the progress to come...

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) - Pre-training, post-training, and future capabilities

(00:16:55) - Plan for AGI 2025

(00:29:18) - Teaching models to reason

(00:39:45) - The Road to ChatGPT

(00:51:07) - What makes for a good RL researcher?

(00:59:53) - Keeping humans in the loop

(01:14:11) - State of research, plateaus, and moats

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