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Thanks for sticking it out with me all the way to this holy episode. Episode 666. Everybody, let's teleport to the JRE studios and talk about the devil. With Joe Rogan. Joe, thank you. I am honored. I can't believe I get to do this in the JRE studios. This is badass. We were gonna set it up in the red pill, but things just got too hectic. No, this is- We still have the red pill. This is freaky. It's called the red pill? Uh, yeah.
Yeah, somebody named it the red pill. Speaking of red pills, let's just kick off 666 in the right way. I think this is a question that the world really does have for you. Do you think Satan is real? I think satanic things are real. Right. I think child sacrifice is real. I think like, let's just let's say the devil's money. OK. The devil might be money.
sure and it not not necessarily all money is the devil but the devil might be money if you are a pharmaceutical drug company and you have some sort of a medication for children that you know is going to cause complications in a certain percentage of it and kill them and it's not necessary for the kids yeah and yet you still push it
because you think you can make money. That's child sacrifice. It's just happening in a different way. It's not like in the woods. It's not like you tie the baby up in front of its mother and throw it on the fire. No. No, you're just killing it with a vaccine for money.
Babies up there. They can't really defend themselves. You have to tie the mother up right and if you fuck that up Problems. Yes, she'll kill you. I got you though. Yeah, I know I'm saying it's like there's things that happen in this world that are pretty satanic and when you know that people are just doing it for money dude this is um
Oh, my God. He was on your podcast, too. The guy running the Ibogaine Initiative in Texas. Rick Perry. I love him. He's great. What's the matter, Jimmy? Ryan Hubbard, not Rick Perry. Ryan Hubbard. Oh, the other. Ryan Hubbard is awesome. Anyway. He told me the best C.S. Lewis quote, the banality of evil things. So when people consider Satan. You know angel art is one of my favorites. It's great Mickey Rourke fucking amazing dude, it's so great, but you know there you have the classic like
sympathy for the devil version of Lucifer, a kind of gentleman, you know, beautiful, terrifying, uncompromising, right? Or you get like the Slayer version of the devil. just like raining blood out of the sky, blowing up Christians. But C.S. Lewis is like, no, that's not what the devil looks like. The devil is boring. The devil actually, at the pharmaceutical companies,
probably doesn't look like one person being like, you know what? How many kids are gonna die? How many yachts does that buy my friends? Just do it. It doesn't look like that. It looks like it's modular. It's diffused throughout the company. There's no maybe, no one person who's like, this will kill a bunch of kids. But there's a lot of little people making tiny little decisions. And in that...
You know the pin thing you push your hand through and you see your hand? Yeah. That's where you see the devil. It emerges in these complex structures. That's where it is. Some form emerges. And it's also from diffusion of responsibility. Absolutely.
So you have a large number of people that are all going along with the thing. That's how you get people to go to war. It's diffusion of responsibility. How can you get someone to get in a plane and fly to a place where they've never been before, leave their wife and child behind and kill somebody they never met? How do you do that? It's very hard. You got to get them all to think as a group. You got them all to behave as a group. Yeah.
Then you kind of pull it off or you drag them out of their house and tell them you're blow their fucking brains out You don't I mean it used to be certain countries is Russia and Ukraine you want it like I don't want to say those countries because I wanted people to just guess.
Oh, shit. I mean, I don't know. Maybe there's other countries, too. I'm sure other countries do it. I'm sure. Look, they do it. There was the whole Vietnam War draft, you know, when people were fucking running away and moving to Canada because they didn't want our government to force them. Oh, your name. got picked, you have to go murder people. Dude, you would go, so I don't remember which book I was reading, some awesome book about the 60s and talking about going in the draft offices.
And there would be dudes in there simultaneously shitting themselves and jerking off because they wanted to not get drafted and show that they were insane. And then they had to start changing the laws. It's like, go ahead. oh dude fuck your own turd you're going to vietnam you know what i mean god damn so so so to me like when you but i guess you could say
For every screaming conscript being dragged into a van in front of his weeping mother, there's people dragging the conscript into the van. More. In their minds, that makes sense. They're like, we have to do this because if we don't...
do this people will die so you have to die now the this is where it really like that fucking cartoon musk tweeted the train rolling over all those people did you see it it's like a train is it's a meme a train's running over all these people and someone's saying if we don't We can't stop the train from rolling over all these people unless we know the train will stop rolling over people in the future. That's hilarious. Satan! Is that a meme about the war in Ukraine?
No, no. We're not talking about Ukraine. Yes, that's definitely what that's. He's pointing out the sheer absurdity in the vehement, vehement. pro-war attitude that has emerged among factions of people who simultaneously proclaim themselves to be progressives right and when i have always thought of progress
I always thought, like, progress means we're going to drive past the war phase into a place where we stop killing people. But apparently that is not progress. In fact, progress means going right into World War III. Just driving right in. Fuck it. World War III. We got to progress to World War III. That's where...
You know, and you know me, man, like you've known me for longer than you're like one of my oldest friends on Earth. And I have never been a war person. And I'm still not a fucking war person. And I caught shit from people on the right when I say. I'm not into war but now just saying the exact same thing right now I will catch hot shit for saying I don't think we should do war and now people on the left will be like you've changed dude
It's like I'm still think it's bad to blow people up Such a controversial opinion. How did you have the courage to say that? Because most people are super pro-war. For you to stand out and say, I really don't think we should just go kill people we don't know, that's kind of a crazy stance to take. Dude, I know. It's the drugs. Especially from someone who...
You know, it's kind of progressive. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I don't get it. Well, don't you see where the flags are flying? Well, the problem is like you I guess if we get because the definition of the damn thing has been redefined, you know, you don't get to be Like, you can't tribalize yourself into that place anymore if you aren't 100%. And look...
Do I watch drone kill videos at night? Yeah, like there is something incredibly Infernally horrific about watching futuristic war the drones dropping bombs on conscripted russian soldiers who were probably political prisoners that's the other thing and i know we've talked about this before joe but that's the other thing that infuriates me is okay so here's what we're supposed to hate right now
right we're supposed to hate russia we're supposed to hate china and north korea there's a few others in there you gotta hate them now We hate Russia. Why? Well, Russia is not a democracy. True. It's an oligarchy. And also there's no real elections there. Putin just is the dictator of Russia, whether he calls himself that or not. This throws people out of windows and shit. This is all true, right? Now, as a dictator, you got to get people to shut the fuck.
That's rule number one because if you get some mouthy motherfuckers going around like this isn't really a democracy Like I don't think he's the real president. I'm pretty sure if you if we voted he might not get voted in again But let's give it a shot if he does and that's how it works, you're going to take a long fall out of a building if you're too loud. You're going to get poisoned. Or you go to a prison.
Go to prison. And then when you go to prison, you're like, fuck, I'm in a Russian prison. You're getting beaten and shit. And then they're like, good news. You're getting out of prison. Awesome to go fight in a war. And so then they take people out of their prisons who are political prisoners, right? Because it does seem there are rules in Russia. You can't just execute a political prisoner. They got to like...
Get sick, you know, there's you gotta kind of like they get a fever and then they die or you know There's an accident everybody knows what it is But on paper it looks kosher you gotta make it look kosher and so what? Dream come true. If you're a fucking dictator with your prisons filled with political prisoners Jesus then the fucking have a nice goddamn meat grinder. You can just throw them into and then you got people on reddit
showing videos of the political prisoners who've been conscripted getting their faces blown off by drones. And they're like, nice job! We did it! It's like, you just blew the brains out of a fucking professor who was like, I don't think... This is a democracy. So congratulations! Way to go! Honestly, I never made that connection before, but it's totally accurate.
Yeah, dude. It's really, it's kind of mind-blowing to me, man. And I mean, you've been in the, this is like, you've been in the brunt of this for years. Like you've been in the, I've known you for years. Like, you've just been in the, like, just crosshairs of blame. And this is where it gets really interesting related to Satan, which is, of course, do you know, like, what the name Satan actually translates into, what it means? You do know, right?
I don't. The accuser. The one who accuses. Really? Yes, the accuser. What does Lucifer mean? Lightbringer. How confusing. The one who accuses who also brings light. He's a contradiction. Well, he's, you know, I'm just, listen, I just, look, we have to be rational here. You are a Nazi. I was looking at this wild take this lady had on some subject this morning, which I often do.
uh when someone just says something completely wild some wild left-wing take and i went to her page i'm like what does this lady believe and right in the header it's like elon musk is a nazi And there's a lot of people like that. Well, he flapped his arm wrong. Yeah, he shouldn't do that. This is gone. He flapped it wrong. He can't do that one anymore.
flapped it wrong yeah dude so yeah that that so if you want to really like find and i love i mean this is why i will always have a kind of weird fondness for satan not for the horror but for the technique Like it's it's if we're going to assign personality to distortion of reality I mean, that's exactly what Satan is. It's like the distorter of reality. And via that distortion, violence ensues. Like if I can get enough people to believe you're a Nazi, Elon Musk is a Nazi.
then violence will come. I mean, this is Russia's rationalization. This is where it all gets scrambled up. One of Russia's rationalization for the invasion of Ukraine was the...
D Knox notification of Ukraine. We got to get rid of the fucking not crazy Yeah, it's fucking crazy because Nazi is a good way like, you know, I Love those like revenge movies but further where like someone's family gets blown apart in the beginning by thugs or you know there's like traumatic like sexual attacks and then the the survivor just gets to chainsaw the arms off of the attackers for the rest of the movie you know right and then you can enjoy it
Because you don't have to feel sympathy for the person. John Wick. John Wick. The list goes on and on. Oh, yeah, yeah. The hills have eyes. Yeah. And so... This is how if we want to remove compassion or the very human quality of compassion from us, then you need to create a monolithic villain. And then we don't feel bad.
Right. Nazi. That's what you do. Nazi. That's the great quote. Satan's greatest trick was convincing people that he wasn't real. First thing you want to do. If you thought all the things that happened to people. All of the horrors created by people that are forced into this realm through an idea that a person has to act on. Like if we want to... It's you don't have to have a tail and be breathing fire and like live in a lake of lava That's demonic. Yeah, like
People breaking into someone's house and killing the whole family. Demonic. Yeah. Right. That's real. That does happen. Something gets into that person that they want to do that. And whether it's a life of other demons getting into other. demons and torturing a kid until that kid is a complete psychopath yeah you know violent horrifying upbringing incest whatever it is and then all of a sudden this kid is now 35 years old
Murderer yeah, like what is that? It's it's Satan Satan like it's real. It's just not real like in a cartoonish television way I'm in hell. I'm the Heat-Mizer. Remember the Heat-Mizer? I'm Mr. Heat-Mizer. Whatever I touch. Great. I used to love that. Oh, those are great. Those are probably from like the 50s. I think like 50, 60-ish. Like that's stop motion. Yeah. Fucking cool. It is cool. Yeah. Well, you know, the...
This is the other thing which I love about Christianity. Because if you're going to talk about Satan, you've got to talk about Jesus. Because Satan is generally a Western... There are demons in Hinduism, but in Hinduism, the difference is like the demons, they can become saints like the demons, you know, like Ganesh. He rides around on a mouse. He can shrink the elephant god. He can shrink very small. And he has his mount is a mouse. And the story behind that is that the mouse.
was a giant fucking demon. And Ganesh got sent to take care of the demon and sat on it. And the sheer weight of this massive elephant god made it so the demon couldn't get out from under him. And I think they sat there for like... thousands of years until the demon like submitted and became Ganesh's like dearest associate and then was like just ride around on me and so you know it's obviously you take it literally it's a cartoon but it means a lot
than that the mouse is the symbol for like it used to be if you it still sucks if you have mice in your apartment or your house but it used to be if you have mice in your farm it was eating your grain it would pollute everything was pestilence vermin And so Ganesh is the bringer of good fortune. And what does he ride? The thing that represents bad luck coming to you. And it's brilliant. But the point is, in those cultures, the bad thing...
actually is the vehicle to the good thing. And whereas in the West, you know, it's just... Satan is unredeemably fucking evil. There's no way that motherfucker, you know, you can't think about, well, who made Satan? Right. You're not supposed to ask that. You can't think about who made Satan because obviously if there's a God that made everything, God made Satan, then you have to be like, it's God omnipotent. Right. Why did he do that?
and then you're like so god is that why hasn't god put the brakes on that and is there a difference between god and god's creation and then that means satan is actually a puppet that god puts on his hands and then that's where you get into this is what i want to bring up with you man ai To train an AI, do you know what they have? What? The antagonist network. You need something that the AI can basically arm wrestle with.
to advance. Really? Yes. And so in this, Satan in this case is actually the weight that humans lift to become stronger by resistance. It's you resist Satan. resistance it's a resistance workout except it's an ethical resistance workout it's not fascinating hmm so what they're doing with AI this agitation that they antagonist antagonist network what how does that work so in my cursory browsing through it
The antagonist network is some kind of way you're training the AI to know right from wrong. It's presenting bad information, I guess, and it has to be able to use that to figure out what good information is to train it. something like this is wrong this is right and then that's where it's so terrifying when you see things like the woke ai from google the gemini making images of nazi soldiers and it's a diverse group of
you know, multiracial women for Nazi soldiers. It's like, because then you know that really stupid people are programming this thing. It's not just... uber intelligence it's not just like the the most unfathomable level of technology available it's also been given some of the dumbest ideas yes that humans have figured up and also by the way human cowards
The most cowardly amongst us are the ones who support those ideas. And they support them with bullying. And then they support them with like you have to have complete.
total adherence to the doctrine and if you don't you'll be cast out and the doctrine keeps moving it gets further and further wackier and wackier all the time and you have to keep up with it or you don't so it's like it's a coward's game and imagine the most cowardly people amongst us are the ones who are programming the super intelligence.
to keep going with all these stupid ideas that we have and amplify them. Yeah. But it doesn't know what's moral and ethical. If we decide that something is moral and ethical, it's moral and ethical. Right. It's a conscious... decision made by human beings yeah especially when you think about the just the laws of nature the the natural world is filled with animals eating animals yeah life forms eating life forms that's the whole thing is consumption
and survive and trying to advance and accelerate your evolution so that you can stay more productive. Right. That's the same with humans. And we're in this weird sort of rule. where we'll say murder's bad, but war is good. Drugs are bad, but alcohol and whatever your doctor prescribes you is good. We'll decide what's moral and what's ethical. Segregation.
Bad unless it's black only spaces. Yeah, and then you're okay. Yeah So that that's where the math starts falling apart Yeah, and then but then if you if and then you do get into like I don't know how you like he was so brilliant like like orwell's like you know brainwashing was what was it two plus one is three four two plus one is four
no it's not it's three it's four it's three four shock him and then like you know if you can start like getting the the the person you're trying to condition to accept the distortion Yeah. But most importantly, to subvert their rational mind. See, that to me is like, I don't care what the fuck it is. It's like, if I can get you to ignore your rational mind.
then I can control the shit out of you. I just got to get that fucking thing that tells you this song seems off here to shut the fuck up in you. And for you to recognize that thing as antithetical to... Like the future of humanity if I could do that as Satan Yeah, I've won the day, you know because if I can make you then because I've turned you into a confused fool a confused fool and a coward and a coward too because you
didn't have the courage to say, no, two plus one is three. I don't care how many times you shock me. And you can do that with almost anything. Anything. You know, I was watching. OK, there's a post on Matt Walsh's Twitter about an article. I think it was from The Times. But the title of the article was about white men. And he had a really good point. He had a really good point. Could you imagine if someone made a similar article and made it about women?
or black women or black people. This idea that it's okay to make an article like this just completely generalizing. Can white men finally stop complaining? Can, yeah. This is the Wall Street Journal. That's what it was. So look at this. For 50 years, we've been hearing from men who feel threatened by the gains of women and minorities. Now that the manosphere is in charge, the victim mentality has to go. First of all, really?
Who's feeling threatened by the gains of women? Is that a common theme? Have we been constantly hearing about that for 50 years and minorities? Is that really a common theme? Maybe they mean weight gain. What does that mean? But look at this. No mainstream publication would ever in a million years publish an article titled, Can Women Finally Stop Complaining?
Question mark. Or can black people finally stop complaining? It's true. It's a kind of open contempt that can only be expressed towards one demographic group and no other. White men have simply had enough of this, he's saying. So he's speaking up for all white men. Thanks, buddy. Well, how about my three-year-old? That would work there. Can my three-year-old finally stop complaining? Or, you know, it would make that a good article.
What? Can everybody finally stop complaining? Yes. Suddenly, that's a great fucking article. Suddenly, that's a great article. And a useful article, I think. But yeah, when you start doing that. Then what you've done and dude, I mean, I texted you about it because I love this martyr made podcast so much. It's really good. He really like keeps pointing out this tendency in humanity to single out.
some group yes to make the enemy the scapegoat yeah and so once you do that then there's this purgative effect that happens for the culture everything's so first though everything you have to have a general sense everything's wrong well everything's kind of fucked up okay everything's kind of fucked up right now Eggs cost too much. The fucking housing market's fucked up. Everything's topsy-turvy. Things are weird. Drones everywhere. We just experienced something, and we still are. The imminent.
possibility of a nuclear holocaust is closer than it was in the 90s at least at least it feels like that right so something's off here now what could it be well it must be white men You know and so let's get rid of them and then he makes this really brilliant point which is like if We could push this to its you know the conclusion that successful
uh dictators push this sort of thing too what do we do what do we do i mean it's like man listen the man spreading and mansplaining ain't funny anymore we're gonna start arresting you We started scooping them up. Right now, there's allies out there. We're going to leave them. They can still be okay. A few of them might actually accidentally get burnt in the purge. But then what happens is the coalescing of all the other people who have bought in.
and it's obviously white men, they now experience harmony. They're working together suddenly. It's like, yeah, you're black, you're Chinese, but you're all women. And if you're men, you're not white. And in that collaborative mutual activity, a real community emerges. Once you've burned out all the white men or as many as you can there is a period of peace This is all from his podcast
Showing we were right it was the white men, but it wasn't the white men. It was that you guys all work together for Ladies work together to make this happen You guys experience the harmony of war, which is the greatest tragedy of war, is the camaraderie, the opportunity for heroism. And so this bullshit that's happening right now, you just got to follow it all.
way upstream if you ask me and ask yourself if you're an offended person right now just getting your fucking type and finger ready for my subreddit just ask yourself if your views lead to peace or if your views lead to disharmony ultimately and if they don't lead to peace if there's some anger in you or contempt or fear then it might be that your view of things isn't
in line with what you think your ethics are. That's all. And that creates a lot of internal problems for people. We want the math to work out inside. Well, I also think the groupthink was enforced during the COVID.
times in a way that you know if you're a 40 year old man it's more than a tenth of your life So more than a tenth of your life and the most recent part of your life and the time of your life where you felt the most vulnerable So you're probably the most susceptible to picking up traits and opinions and ideas That time is the most recent and just passed. And there's so many people because of that time that became like very compliant. Right. And less likely.
to question any narrative right and uh just kind of scared for stability and things yeah you know like the stability like if you're a person let's say um 2020 rolls around you're working in a restaurant And all of a sudden, the restaurant business in LA fucking tanks. They lose 70% of the restaurants. You know that? 70%. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So it's insane. you know, year and a half when everything is fucking completely closed down.
And, you know, you're a hyper liberal and now you're on food stamps or whatever. And you're trying to find a place to live and you're trying to find some sort of another job. But there's no food service jobs. Nothing's open. And then finally you get your feet back.
under you. You're probably 20, 30, $50,000 in debt. You ran your credit cards up. You lost everything. Probably got your car repossessed. And then here you are a couple of years later on Twitter and you're supporting Ukraine. Like what? You're mad at people that aren't supporting you. Is this like really what's going on more? Are you are you signaling to the team that you don't want to get hit again? You're a good boy
You're on board. You're on board with this. I'm not one of those bad guys. Those guys are fucking pieces of shit. We should fucking cast them out. The cowards. The real cowards. The cowards that have every right to be afraid. They've gone through the worst thing of their life. In their life, that's the worst thing that's ever happened. They lost everything, and then they come out of this a few years later real shaky.
You know, with a job that has like crazy DEI rules and you have to be like super fucking compliant with all their nonsense. You have to sit in meetings. You know, one of the things that.
they were finding out is that this woke shit had gotten into the NSA. Oh, yeah. You see those reports where they were saying that these NSA people had to like, they were going through meetings constantly on diversity, equity, inclusiveness, and they had all these people that had like infiltrated the organization.
Right, it's like it's everywhere. Well, it's everywhere when yeah, it did go every I mean Well, I mean that that is the function. I mean, that's how it works It's really quite brilliant by the way like in in like When I look at that stuff, I really do see a little bit of a malefic, satanic distortion in it. And what's kind of infuriating for me is that... Via execution of this utopian vision, they have ruined some really good words like diversity.
That's good. That's good. That's good in any biome. That's good. Equity, fuck yeah, that's good. If we're playing Monopoly, I don't want you to start with more money if we're playing some game. Equity's good. How could that be bad? Equity in a company's good. You work hard for the company, get equity. Equity is good. Yeah.
Fucking inclusivity is great. Why would that be bad? Dude, trust me. You think I got picked first for sports when I was in fucking high school? No. But I liked it when I got included. It felt good. These are good things. Fundamentally good things. But because the way these things have been imposed, spoken about.
Has a gun behind the back, right? It's like you better be fucking inclusive motherfucker There's a gun now that gun might not literally be a gun that gun might be like you were saying earlier your job Yeah. You want to be fucking included in this group of creatives? Mm-hmm. Then you better be inclusive. Or we won't include you, motherfucker. And so then all of a sudden these words, the importance of them in any conversation about how to make the world good and how to just have a fun time.
mentioning them at all. completely makes at least like half the country cringe because they think they're about to get a corrective ear beating they think they're going to get talked down to they think they're going to get like lectured they think they're going to get This implicit sort of messaging that you're a bigot and I'm going to fix you. And no one likes to be fixed. And so it's created a Pavlovian response to words that are like an implicit part of humanism.
And that is if you really want to get into like if I was Satan, let me take the actual words that you would need to sort of articulate a possible version of the world. that's less fucked up and let me make it so just the utterance of these words makes people think you are aligned with a group of people that don't have good intention now you've linguistically you've removed from the lexicon crucial
It's like taking numbers out of math. You can't even say it anymore. You have made it so diversity, equity, inclusion. Most people, when they hear that shit, they're like, God damn it. Isn't that crazy? Awful. It's awful and it's sad because in woke, you know Ram Dass always used to talk about waking up You've got to wake up. Every moment of your life should be to wake up. Well, that was the original meaning of it. Yes! With black people. It was an African-American saying.
They they it was theirs first white people ruined it. It was theirs first They they used to talk being woke was being aware what the fuck is going on I mean, you know, which was a great thing that word gets used. It was a good word The classic story buddha post enlightenment walking down the road some people run into him he's just like gained pure realization he's an enlightened being gradient
You know, he's like, no one's ever seen anyone like this before. There's something about him that's just fucking crazy. They're like, what? Are you? Are you an angel? He's like, no. Are you a god? No. What are you? And he's like, I'm awake. And because he'd woken up from the from the sort of habitual configuration that most people call their personality. He gained true liberation. And so, again, a great way to put it awake. No, the habitual configuration.
That's it. It's just a set of habits that people say is me. Right, and you throw them on because they're comforting. You don't even know you've thrown them on. They're more insidious than that. It's so... I mean, we think about the way you move your hands, move your, you know, everything. Huge. Huge. I can't do a Trump impression. It's hard. Why is it so hard? It's a weird voice. What is it? He just has a way.
I don't have a good one. That's not bad. I don't have a good one. I have to listen to him, and I can kind of get it, but Shane Gillis has got it dead to rights. Dead on. Yeah. You know who's the best impersonator who doesn't get nearly enough credit? Yeah. And maybe one of the funniest people alive?
Kyle Dunnegan. Yes, Kyle Dunnegan. His fucking impressions are so... good so good they're so good they're crazy yeah and then when they're not good they're so preposterous that they're hilarious yes like when he does Caitlyn Jenner it's not like the best impression but it's so preposterous yeah I think he gets
He doesn't get nearly enough credit dude something about him whatever level of the spectrum he's on It doesn't knock up with people his fucking Instagram is some of the funny shit that's available online. I know people need it check out Kyle Donegan. What the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck, people? What the fuck? He's so funny on Kill Tony, too. Dude, the impressionist?
Yeah. Oh, my God. Isn't it creepy, though? Because Bill Maher is amazing. It's creepy, though, when they do it to your face. Yeah. And, like, they're really good at it. And you kind of feel like they stole your soul. Like, they shape-shift into you. Oh, like when they do a version of you? Yeah. Who does the best Duncan? Well, it ain't hard to do, is it? Every time everybody does something right. Hey, man, I'm that. Hey, man, I'm that.
Yeah. You know, Jeff Richards does a really good impressions, dude. He's done it to me. But, you know, here's a crazy story. So Chogyam Chompa Rinpoche.
Great Buddhist teacher controversial Buddhist teacher Tolku is what they call them the reincarnated where they they find the kid who is like a reincarnation of somebody and they take him to the monasteries and they train them for years and so they have this intense deep training from birth that most people like you can't get to if you start even in your 20s you know and so
He, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell, like, was an alcoholic. She had had some encounter with him that was positive. And she wanted to quit drinking. So she went to him to... you know try to get off the booze and she says that he turned into her that he was looking at her he like turned into Joni Mitchell in front of her but a happy version of her and something about seeing herself
Like just seeing that's what this is what you would look like if you weren't drinking Wow Got her off the boot got her off the boot. She wrote a song about it Isn't that wild dude? He didn't even really say anything as well. He just like shifted in front of her that shit is Really cool, man. She was one of the people that pulled her music from Spotify because of me. Dude, why'd you do it?
They get old and they get scared. And then they've been accustomed their whole life to believing the mainstream news. The mainstream news is the news. I know. It's sad. It's sad because I fucking love Neil Young and I love Joni Mitchell. And it's like, there's a few sad levels to it. There's a few sad levels. The saddest level is the fear. Because it's ignorance of what's actually going on and then making this big public stance when you're not correctly informed. And then the fact that...
The underlying thing is you know you're dying soon. And that thing could take you out. It's a different fear. It's a different fear when you're 75 years old and COVID's coming around. You know, I saw it with my parents. I've seen it with a lot of people. They become unreasonable. Their anxiety overwhelms them. COVID is their whole life. It became people's whole life for some people for years, man. I was just watching this. Yeah.
this live town hall meeting somewhere. I forget where it was, but these people were double masked. like double masked with a pride flag mask in 2025 was from february dude well look man i mean this is where like i think you got to get back in we gotta we gotta win those words back Well, we can win the words back, but the real damage comes when people that were already very fragile got ruined. And the challenge of...
rising from the ashes is so much greater than the challenge of maintaining and sort of constantly progressing your life to the point where you feel good and things are good. You got good friends, got a good family. I got, I got my shit. together it took me 42 years but i got my shit you know like that that kind of state once you've crashed out
And you're an adult and maybe you're an adult in your 50s. It's fucking real hard to bounce back. It's real hard because you don't have any energy anymore. Right. Right. You're not a rebel anymore. You don't have prospects. You don't have a maybe I'll travel the country.
You don't have that anymore. You gave up on that because your body got too frail dude, you know What I think is fascinating about you is that you know when you're talking about that when you're making a very accurate description of you know a group of people not just the old either i mean a lot of people with young bodies have crashed out too oh yeah and i you know someone who has been singularly attacked And people have tried to destroy your life.
Multiple times ruin your family like you know really destroy you they'd be happy if you were in jail They'd be happy if you were if you died they'd be happy if you died There would be a lot of like you I'm not gonna ruin your joke a very funny joke about the coven vaccine funny but when I see you describing it there's no anger there seems to be compassion and there isn't like a lot of people after going through like the shit that you have
Just for being yourself. Yeah. Would be bitter. They wouldn't be saying they're old. They, you know, they wouldn't be saying it in this in a way that like is maybe like a little too descriptive. But there isn't any kind of malice. Yeah. And so to me, that's really interesting about you. And I wish.
I think that must be a little off-putting for people. And if people like Joni Mitchell, instead of just being like, all right, take my music off Spotify, wear my cigarettes, we're like, call him. Will he talk to me? What's he like? Who is this dude? And then talk to you, then I think they would realize they already have met people like you.
in the 60s they've met people like you who like came on the scene and made positive changes and they would realize that the methodology of activism Where there was a monolithic force to protest against that was obvious and clear has become diffused There isn't some central Locus of evil anymore that rather the thing has become
more of a psychic issue a kind of universal malady in which fear is distorted reality in people's minds and there's a people are really pulling the trigger fast before they get all the data and how do you protest that?
What do you boycott for that level of confusion? How do you boycott confusion? Right. And that to me is the... uh sort of tragic nature of it is a lot of the people i love and still do who like decided to use you as the scapegoat for a deeper problem would have loved you if they hung out with you and they would realize
He's not a Nazi at all. What the fuck? And then they'd have to deal with that, you know, realization. Maybe that's another facet of getting old. Things get blurry. I think if you get to a large, prominent position in the public eye... You have a certain responsibility that I don't always live up to of maintaining a higher standard of thinking and behaving.
towards other people right because your effect on other people is magnified right it's not just your voice to another person it's your voice to millions of people and if you're talking about a specific person it's Even if I get mad, the people that I get mad at to this day, that I get mad at currently, are current propagandists who also have the same sort of ability. I don't attack people who don't have the same ability. If I attack Don Lemon when he's on CNN. Yes.
That's a person who has the exact same platform, the exact same ability to spread things out and have them become viral and publicly and have an impact. Maybe not as big of an impact, but... Big enough, big enough that I'll attack you. Right. Because I'll just attack the preposterousness of you being a voice of reason because it doesn't make any sense. And then I'll expand. I'll expand on why I think about the way I think. Yeah. But you can't.
Carry hate around in you. It doesn't help you. It only fucks you up It doesn't do any good and you don't have to people will tell you you have to you have to be angry have to get your revenge You don't have to
That's not true. You don't have enough time. There's not enough time in this life You shouldn't waste time on things that you don't want to be engaged in and one of the big ones is conflict when i see people engaging in conflict online let's just talk about the comedy community yeah it is almost exclusively people who have a voice, who are not as successful as some other person they disagree with.
coincidence just a coincidence this is other person selling out arenas just a coincidence this guy has giant movies just a coincidence you got the number one special on netflix right whoever this person is you're attacking currently yeah just a coincidence they happen to be killing it Just a coincidence. Just a coincidence. I don't like the way they do something. I don't like...
This thing. They make me feel bad. Because here's something that people need to recognize about successful people. And it's one of the reasons why successful people have a greater responsibility. When you see a successful person. People are competitive. They compare themselves to that person and they feel bad. When you feel bad, you think you feel bad because that person's bad. That person's done something. But really the bad is...
I wish I was Matt Reif. Right. You know what I mean? I wish I was selling out arenas. Yes. I wish I was doing this. And I'll find something wrong about his success and wrong about his approach because he makes me f***. feel bad right that's why they do it right which is why i don't ever attack someone who's not doing as good as me right well i don't attack anybody unless they attack me first i'm not interested i'll talk some shit but i mean it
With fun. Right. And kindness. Right. Even if I'm talking shit about somebody and they get offended, I would always apologize. Yes. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. I'm just talking shit. Yes. We had a couple of drinks. Yes. Right. Sorry. I love you. Yeah. But genuinely. Like you genuinely do. There's no room for hate, man. There's no time. It's not good for you. And when'd you figure that out? Over time. I don't think there was a day that I woke up I figured it out.
But there was a slow progression of realizing. One of the big ones that I realized when I was 21. I was doing stand-up at an open mic and I went up and I did really good and I was hoping the guy who went after me bombed And then I remember thinking what a
bitch ass thought that is. And I realized that this was like sort of the same feelings that I dealt with in martial arts competition. In martial arts competition, when I would see somebody really good, I would hope that they would get knocked out.
I didn't have to fight him, right? You know like this guy gets knocked out so I don't cuz like you'd fight like multiple times in a day Yeah, I hope this guy gets fucking head kicked. Yeah, I just fight him. Yeah, I hope he fails. Yeah, and then I realized that
That is not only is it not doesn't help at all. It's You don't respect yourself when you think like that. You don't feel like a warrior right which you cannot be a warrior unless you think and behave like a warrior yeah it just you won't if you fight someone who's really good if you if you get to a point where you're really good and you fight someone who's really good You better be all in on this thing you're doing because if you're not, they're going to be. And if you have any bitch in you,
Bitching you in the way you think yeah bitching you in the way be you know If you've got something about yourself that you don't respect it'll come up when you're hurt Yeah, it'll pop up when you're tired. Absolutely. Yeah. Yes, and so I had already applied that in martial arts.
I sort of applied that through Miyamoto Musashi and reading books on psychology and sports psychology and having really good trainers who competed before. One of my main instructors, Michael O'Malley, was a multiple-time national. champion and it's just fierce competitor. And he instilled in me how to be a fierce competitor. But that, when I realized in comedy, I'm like, oh my god, I'm hoping other people fail.
Instead of being inspired by them right instead of when I see someone better than me going. Oh my god, I gotta work harder, right? I got to get better and so I remember the day when that happened, man. I was 21 years old. I was at Nick's Comedy Stop. I remember the day because I remember it was like an aha moment. Like, oh, not today, Satan. I was like, not today, Satan. Not today, Satan. Yeah. So from then on, I became the opposite.
I became a supporter of comedians and I said no the way to do it right It's just everybody work hard together and all build off of each other and all help each other and then be happy when your friends succeed I had a friend of mine who was an actor. By the way, I'm sorry to do this. I don't mean to ambush you, dude. Go ahead. But you do know you basically just quoted Hitler. How so? That's what Hitler said. What did he say?
Have you not read Mein Kampf? I'm sure you have. I haven't. I'm just kidding. Hitler didn't say any of that shit. I was like, what part did Hitler say? What part did Hitler say of that? It'd be amazing if he did. I had a buddy of mine who was an actor, and he got this part. I think it was in a movie.
It was a good little small part. He was real excited. And his girlfriend started crying. And she said, when is something going to happen for me? God. That was her response. By the way, they were like, Early 20s. I think he was 24 or 25. Big ol' handsome man. Jesus, dude. That's so dark. I think about that guy sometimes, because I was on a show with him one day.
bit part on a show and I was like this guy's gonna be a movie star big fucking handsome man yeah seems real friendly yeah nice like that guy could be an action movie star something nothing All went away. Not a bad actor either. Nothing. But I remember him telling me, he's like, she started crying, man.
And I was like, no. He goes, yes. She was crying, saying, when is it going to happen to me? So I don't know what to do. And I was like, I'm Captain fucking jettison. I'm Captain fucking pull the parachute. That's me.
You come to me with some fucking stuff. By the time it gets to me, if you're complaining to me, I'm going to help you get out of that relationship. So I was like, dude, you got to bail out. You got to fucking bail. You got to bail now. This one, you can't fix that girl. No kids. No, no kids. They were young.
Did he bail? Yes, he did. Yes, he did. I think he was bailing while we were working together. I think that was the thing that made him bail. I think he just couldn't take it anymore. That's so fucked up. She's pretty hot. She's pretty hot. Dude, I wouldn't have bailed. I'm sure I'd be like, I don't understand her, Joe. I think she had natural heavies. Natural heavies. It's worth it. She's pretty hot. That's the problem, too, is that your genes trick you. great symmetry and sensuality.
You mistake for compatibility. Because in those brief moments when you're naked, which is like what percentage of the day are you naked with that lady? It's pretty small. Even if you live with somebody, if you're 365 days a year, with that person, how often are you like naked touching each other? If it's 10%, you have the craziest relationship of all time. You guys are just horndogs. You're horndogs. Right. So 90% of your life is living in hell with a dummy.
Dummy who is entitled who wants your money. Yeah, they deserve your money because they fuck you. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of guys out there That's that that's the old quote. Most men live lives of quiet desperation That is so goddamn true. Yeah, it's true. Because it's hard. It's hard to not be in desperation. It's difficult. And if you're not doing something difficult on top of life, I don't think you ever get free.
I really don't. Yeah. Whether that difficulty is meditation or yoga or being an author. I think there's a certain amount of struggle, like a certain amount of like. task-oriented, focused, mission-driven struggle that every human being needs. And I think if you don't have that, you just become this sedentary ball of cells that just exists.
based on whatever inputs coming in. You're never, but you're never stable. You're never just you. You're always you. We're never, no one is ever just you, right? You are new. You're a you with your environment. If you were in fucking. Right now you'd be a different you. Yeah, you know, you're you're you there's a lot of factors that go into what you are But if you're living in fucking America in 2025 where everybody even poor people are fat
So everybody gets, there's no starving, right? And you're freaking out about what? Like, what are you freaking? Climate change. Yeah, climate change is the best one. How would you make it in any other environment? You wouldn't. You wouldn't. You're a side effect of comfort.
your side effect of a comfortable environment dude that my friend is the description of Satan you see this is what I've been thinking man it's like oh Fuck what has happened is the the whatever you want to call it people used to call it the system the system has Convinced a great many people not to be perturbed by the sort of normal things that other people would be perturbed by for example if you were let's say living in a place and it caught on fire
every year and then it started catching on fire even more than usual and i'm saying a long time ago you would gather your people together and say the place is catching on fire all the time now we shouldn't leave and you would leave to a place that wasn't catching on fire all the time and yet there's places all over the world right now that catch on fire regularly we used to live in one literally and people stay
They stay. Now, they don't just stay. They've got very expensive houses in places that catch on fire frequently. But they stay. Now, if you were to go back in time and tell someone.
I want to tell you the story of the man who lived on a hill in a very nice castle. But every year, the area around the hill would catch on fire. Dragons would come. Dragons would come and burn down the hill. But the man decided to stay in his castle. They would be like, so... story of a fool you know but now people say but but even what would be the difference between your house catching on fire because of an unbelievable firestorm
Or dragons. Wouldn't an unbelievable firestorm like what consumed the Palisades be more terrifying than a dragon? Theoretically, it'd be easier to take out the dragon than anyone with big fucking arrows. Yeah, they get them sometimes. They get the catapult. They fucking launch it out. Take it out. They get the giant crossbow. They shoot the bolt through the dragon's heart. It's a dragon made of a bad combination of things. But what I'm saying is, but those people living in that place.
You know, this is a very common thing. I was watching the, what was it, Oscars last night? Who posted that, Jamie? He did great. Conan did it? Oh, that's great. He's the perfect host for something like that. He killed it. It was so funny and silly. That's great. But inevitably, this is someone who is receiving the highest honor for a fucking great film they made, surrounded by... Probably just the perfume alone in that place is worth a million dollars inhaling wafts of like foie gras farts.
the farts if you could quantify like how much those farts were worth in meals you know they get up there to accept their award and they're just like you know I guess this is a bright light in these dark times. And it's like, dude, how are you saying that? Look at you. Look at the clothes you're wearing. Look at your surroundings. And if the times are so dark, why aren't you out there?
Why are you up here smelling fucking billionaire farts and taking an award? You need to be out. Do shit if it's real. But what I'm saying is because of the system. The system has gotten people very fixated on data, and the data is numbers, and the numbers come from the rectangles, and the rectangles are in their very nice houses. So those numbers, if they're the wrong configuration of numbers, too much red, not enough.
blue though if those numbers are off even though they have food shelter they have health they're not okay and so they stop Caring about the shit you're talking about the basic fundamentals like are you making sure that you know? How to do stuff that will keep you alive if things don't work anymore for real. Yeah, and they're not
And that means that they're sheep to the slaughter. They're getting unhealthy, they're eating bad food, and they're stressing themselves out by the hypnorectangles, and they're de-skilled. That's the anarchist term, de-skilled. They've become de-skilled. and so what that means is when the lights go out they're dead
Like, for sure dead. Like, that's the great die-off will happen because nature is, like, in that case, nature is not kind to things that are unhealthy when a survival situation emerges. And they are fucking dead. And the reason they're dead... is idolatry.
They prayed at the altar of the state. They prayed to the state instead of praying at the altar of nature. They worship false idols. Yes. And when you worship false idols, God doesn't like that. And if you take that as a worshiping false idols being, dude, if you. really are upset right now like you can't feel good and you can't make yourself exercise and you can't get healthy because the state isn't aligned in the configuration you think it should be
Dude, you and so all of your posturing is is aligning with the state instead of aligning with nature and getting healthy regardless of the configuration of the state apparatus. Get healthy. Get fucking healthy. That's what the real communists would do. They would get good. They would get good at shit for real. Another thing I took from Martyrmaid. He was talking about the old school communists. Versus the new communists. The old school communists.
were scary like they were scary they would go in the factories and like the first of all just to get in the Communist Party was hard it was underground so if you finally met the communists You'd be like, dude, what do I quit my fucking bougie job? You ever see Peaky Blinders? No. Yeah, big part of Peaky Blinders. It's a fucking great series, by the way. I'll check it out. It's fantastic. Cyril Murphy.
is the head guy. You know that guy from Oppenheimer? Okay, yeah, sure. He is amazing. He was in 28 Days Later, too. That guy is amazing. He plays this gangster. And they run factories. They have gin factories. And, you know, they have uprisings. It's a communist party. And, you know, his fucking sister, spoiler alert, is a communist. Yeah. And you get it. And you see that. And they're kind of right.
Back then, they're right. These people are treated like shit. They're abused. These are the rebels. These are rebels that want a fair wage. And, you know, they want food on the table and they want to be secure. And these greedy fucks are working them to death and they're not gay. And then they're...
I mean, there's riots and people get shot and killed because people don't want to pay more money. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was the idea was, at least according to this podcast, is that they would say, don't quit your job. Go into the factory and become the best worker in the factory. Learn.
Everything but make it so that when people find out you're a communist They associate communism with being fucking powerful and good and then quit get a whole fucking train team of industrialist communists in your factory that are Now it's making tons of money. Yeah, boss. I'll be in late. No problem. And then one day they don't show up That's communism. That's fucking powerful dude and really disruptive. So but what you're saying
Thank God you don't have a central message. You know what I mean? Who would listen to it? you know but one thing that you do like if you do if you do want to sort of like come up with like an antagonist network that is a distortion machine the the you're talking about is Transcendent to the state you're it's you don't need it doesn't matter who the fucking you know Who the president is you can do push-ups. It doesn't matter who?
What laws have been passed regarding access to hormones? You can do sit-ups. It doesn't matter. There's a fundamental sort of freedom within... even perceived constraints where you can start getting really strong and healthy and even those constraints make you stronger via resistance. And so the thing that you talk about, I think it does threaten.
If there was a personality to entropy, it's a threat to that. You don't want people to feel like they can follow an internal compass towards some better life. You want them to feel like the compass should be the state. The compass should be the eye on top of the pyramid, not what's in your heart. How can you be happy when people are dying in Ukraine?
You can't. You can't be happy. How can you be happy when we're at climate change war right now? Powerful SSRIs. How dare you? You can't. Powerful SSRIs. How can you be happy when people don't get access to powerful SSRIs? You must be. How can you be happy when children can't get castrated if they want to be? Dude. How can you be happy? Without gender-affirming care. You can't be. You can't be happy. So you never leave the grasp of the state.
You never have personal sovereignty. Or the zeitgeist. I say the state as a lazy term for something I think is sadly more diffused in the culture. I don't know what it is. It's some kind of spirit. But but I just always like it's just good. I you know, like when you're talking about like
That bitterness you feel at the success of others, which if you're a comic, you have felt that. And if you say you haven't, you're a liar. But you either realize how bad that feels. That's like having an infection. it feels so bad. It feels so gross. It is an infection. You either realize that, and it's not like you can change that all at once, by the way, but you just realize, oh shit, that's not a good...
Right. That's not a good. If I continue to feel this through my whole life, I'm going to get bitter and shitty. That's important. We just said, too, that you can't fix it all at once. No, no, you know, you can actually. Well, this is sort of in in Buddhism. The idea isn't.
In fact, the idea is to acknowledge it ideas to just accept. Yeah, that's part of you But it's not all of you so that there doesn't become a con like you're not at war with yourself Well, also there's a part of you that you don't like is that really you?
Like when that thing comes up, you don't agree with that thing. But it's like there's extenuating circumstances that led you to think and behave in a certain way. And then you were deeply disappointed in yourself. So when you look at that, like, is that you? Because you kind of rejected your... acts and your thinking and your speech, you are like, ugh, why was I such a cunt? You are like that. You're saying that. So like...
Is that you or is that a thing that you found yourself to be vulnerable to getting out of character because you face something? Something that's extraordinarily annoying, extraordinarily stressful, whatever it is that caused you to act out, act out of character.
That's not what you want. It's not in a line. So you have to learn the feeling of that, how it sucks, and then hopefully you remember next time you hit a heightened state of annoyance. Hopefully you remember. Right. And you keep your shit together. I mean, the next question, it would be, okay, well, if there is something within yourself that you like, is that you? I think if there's something within you that you like, you probably like what that thing is in terms of like, is that thing love?
do i do i like when i really go to like see a film that i enjoy and i love it i'm a movie fan That's not me, but I'm getting love. I'm getting something. I'm getting entertained. I love that. When you hear good music, when you see good comedy. There's love, right? You get – you're in it. You're like, ah, this is amazing. It's an –
an overload experience. Your senses are overloaded. You're experiencing something that you love. If you accomplish something that was very difficult and you realize like, wow, I put off... You know, I put off, I delayed gratification. I put off all the things that I wanted to do in the moment for things that I wanted in the future and it paid off. Yeah. So I know that this very complicated puzzle is solvable. Yeah. Like winning a game of chess. Yeah.
really a moment-to-moment sort of thing you know and you know like that oh god that bitch that you're talking about that lives within all of us takes naps conquer your inner bitch that is um that bitch uh thing it's really interesting um and i think when you're a parent you discover this part of yourself that you didn't even know was there maybe which is really steel
Like, you know, I think if you're a martial artist from a young age, you encounter it sooner. But you realize there's this part of you that's like, because there's no choice. The baby's up. at 4 a.m. You're tired as shit. What are you going to do? Go back to sleep? Let the baby cry and cry and cry. You get up. You get up. And you got to get the kids to school. Right. It doesn't matter. You want to fucking play Kingdom Come Deliverance 2. Great game. You got to get the kids.
You know, you discover this thing in you that seems to be impervious to the compulsion of what you call the inner bitch. You discover this thing that's like, yeah, I'm just going to do it anyway. And every time you act on that thing, you... That's when a real shift starts happening. You develop character. Yeah. And I think to get back to what we were talking about earlier. About...
This group of people who just went through a fucking pandemic this group of people who has experienced insane propaganda at a level never experienced in all of human history this group of people that I think legitimately has something in them that wants the world to be better. But that thing has been hijacked. Right. I think like that the you know, what sucks that I see on the left.
is the left's rejection permanently of people who've uttered the wrong sentence. And when I see that emerging in the right, which you don't have, but what you see, this sort of like... Fuck them. Yeah, I think that is a terrible strategy. I think like what you are putting out there is actual Thank God forgive me for saying this This is going to piss a lot of people off. DEI, which is like the sort of you're telling people, listen, I don't care.
Who you are. A lot of times what you've done to me. I don't care you tried to cancel me. I don't care. But here's something I figured out. Try it out that to me is really quite beautiful and a good strategy because especially if your goal is actual compassion not idiot compassion if your goal is actually progression meaning let's evolve humanity more let's fucking
Let's get to that, whatever they call it, type A civilization. Let's figure out a way to become intergalactic. Let's fucking do it. I think that you have to come up with something transcendent to the zeitgeist that is current. existing and there has to be massive inclusivity and forgiveness which is like dude okay did you try to destroy my entire family by uh on like the news calling me a Nazi. Did you try to ruin my whole life? Would you have liked it if I had gone to jail? Yeah. But...
You were brainwashed. You were fucking brainwashed like everybody else. You got propagandized to the max. And then from there, reach down into that fucking pit. See how many people you could pull out. Not because you want to red pill people or make people into conservatives. but because it's like dude just dust yourself off which of us have not gotten in a cult which of us have not been
tricked by some symmetrical person into believing some bullshit. Which of us have not fallen prey to some scam? We all have. I know what that's like. You know what that's like. It's like, and to me, that's sort of the general open-heartedness that needs to be in the world across the board. Across the board. Yeah, it's Christianity. Praise Jesus.
Praise Jesus. It really is. It is. Christians are some of the most forgiving people I've ever met. Like real Christians. Isn't it beautiful? Yeah. Real Christians are beautiful. The ideas are beautiful and they're applicable to your life. It'll make your life better. But. You get better the more you struggle and the more complicated situations you face in your life that require deep thinking.
and objectivity and character. The more you encounter moments where you need character, the more your character develops. And there's just too many people that took the first exit. the road to character and just you know yeah got an apartment yeah and that's real and that's a lot of people and they don't want to admit that and they're very vocal about it some of the most vocal people online letter complaining all day are, forgive me, losers. You're...
Cowards and losers. That's most of the reason why you're spending your day railing about other people and screaming into the abyss all day. You haven't done what you want to do with your life. Your experience has not been maximized. It didn't pan out.
You didn't find the thing that you loved and find the people that you loved and find the tribe that you loved and develop this sort of understanding of human beings. And what's really important is camaraderie. What's really important is love and community. That's what's really important. Yes. And the idea that half of the country is supposed to be your enemy is one of the dumbest scams that anybody's ever pulled off on anybody. Yeah. We're supposed to be a big community.
Like if you're in a neighborhood, so let's say you live in the woods and there's only four houses in your neighborhood. There's just four houses. You got to be friends with those guys. Yes. I know Barney over there is a big drunk and he likes to shoot his guns, but just tell him don't point it at the house and let's get friends with Barney. Yeah. And hey, maybe I can help Barney get rid of that stump. Yeah. Maybe I can, you know.
bring my truck and, you know, latch a line to the stump and maybe he could dig it. And maybe, maybe Tom's got some dynamite. We can get that stump out of there for Barney. And we're all work together because I'm going to talk to Barney because Barney's not vaccinated. That's one of the things that I find that this behavior erupts far more often in large population centers. It's because people become a burden.
You appreciate people when there's not as many around. Right. And there seems to be a direct correlation. Like, there's bad people in small towns, don't get me wrong. There's people that just got a shit roll of the dice in life and life has been fucking them over and they're in and out of jail. And they happen to live in a small town. But...
There's always gonna be a percentage of people whose lives are fucked life is not fair at all But the less of you the more you appreciate the good ones, right? And I think it's one of the most beautiful things about Austin It's really the perfect size where it is a city. It has all the things you need from a city, but it's not too big where people are really in the way. Yeah. In Los Angeles, you could lose.
half the people and people would be like great now i can get on the 405 dude i mean that was that was one of the coolest things about that quarantine remember when the air got clean because people weren't driving oh man it smelled so good and you could get any
anywhere in 20 minutes. It was insane. It was like Austin for a second. I mean, that was a real joke. Ian Edwards has a great joke about it. What? I don't want to fuck it up. Oh, don't fuck it up. He might put it on a special, but it's a really funny joke about driving around during the pandemic. Oh, the bad. the best yeah dude well you know ma'am the um to me um
I have to ask this. This is the last question. We are running out of time. I know you have a hard hour. No, I don't have really. I've got like an hour. Then let me ask you this. Okay. It's a difficult question, but I'm very curious about this. You know I like analyzing things by what I don't know.
right like but also you know so because that's really interesting you can kind of get some form you can work out a form by what you don't see as much as you can it's actually a style of drawing someone told me about which is like instead of trying to draw the thing just draw the negative space around it and the thing will appear in the negative space it's like if you're having problems drawing that's a great way to figure out how to draw but so here's what i know about you
is that you now have unprecedented access to some of the most powerful people on planet Earth. And I know what that's kind of like to have access to... powerful people i know every once in a while they like tell you that you can't believe so here's my question if via your unprecedented access to so many powerful Interesting people. Somebody told you some crazy shit that was real. Would you tell me? Yep. All right. 100%. You'll be the first guy I call.
I'd tell you leave your phone at home and meet me in the woods. We would go for a stroll. I would pick you up in one of my cars that doesn't have GPS. We leave our phones at your house and we go for a ride. And I'd tell you everything. Damn it. Well, that is one incredible news and also very disappointing. Fuck. Yeah, I don't know anything.
Yeah, people think I know things because I'm friends with Mike Baker. Of course. Or because I've met Trump. No, I don't know anything. And in fact, I think I know less because I think there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people online that just spend their whole day trying to figure out what's really going on in the world. I'm not one of those guys. So I know less than most people. I can't. It's overwhelming. I get sad. I get angry. Right.
The Ukraine thing. Every now and then when I read about the history of Ukraine, I get upset. I'll be like, what do they do to those fucking poor people? You know, just from the 2014 coup to the Burisma thing and just like, oh, fuck. Yeah.
It just seems – and NATO. The whole thing just seems like, God damn it. But there's people that – all day long they're digging into that like dave smith he's the best at it yeah he's just like constantly reading books on these things yeah constantly and he is insane recall he could just spit out information yeah he knows more than i do
No one tells me anything, dude. First of all, I'm a blabbermouth. I literally talk for a living. They're not going to tell me that. And then I think also I deal with people telling me things that aren't true. I think that happens. I think that happens quite a bit. Maybe not even privately.
But publicly. Right. I think there's a lot. I think people probably, if I had a guest, because I would do this if I was running a government. Yeah. I'd send people in to go talk to Joe Rogan and say some nonsense. Right. I would do that. Sure, of course. Especially, he's nice. He's going to talk to you. He's not going to be mean to you. Yeah. Which is like... really the biggest place where Kamala Harris fucked up. Because I wasn't going to be mean to her.
at all i know that i would have had the best con she she and i probably would have had the best conversation that she had in her entire campaign and it probably would have changed the way people think about her let me verify this I want to verify this because I remember when you told us in the green room that there's some possibility this could happen. And you're in a green room of comics. Yeah. And everyone has some stupid idea of something mean you could do to Colin Harris.
You know what I mean? Everyone's throwing out traps, ambushes. Ask her this, man. And I remember you saying, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to give her a fair interview. I'm just going to talk to her. Not even in an interview. I just want to have a conversation with her. What a fuck up that was because like truly like that is what Joe is saying here is so true. Not that you would lie, but like we saw you working out in your mind.
How you would execute this. My thought was there's got to be a person in there. Everybody's a person. And then they get sucked into the machine. And they kind of lose their humanity in this structure that they're a part of. a vice president or this or that, this way you're supposed to think and behave and act. I've seen her step outside of that. Yeah. I've seen her be genuinely funny. Yeah. And I've seen her laugh like honest laughter. Right.
There's got to be a way to get to that person. Also, what they do, okay, by just adherence to this nonsense party line that kind of works right now in the moment because people in the fog. Yeah. That's not sustainable. You have to have a logical way of looking at the world if you want to be a leader. You have to have a logical way of looking at the right and the plus.
the positives about some of the things that people that you're a political opponents believe if you don't have that people are not going to trust you no you have to have an ability to just remove yourself from this tribal left versus right one versus zero and instead go well this is kind of
There's many ways to look at this. This is why I think this is the better way to look at this, because I think ultimately we're dealing with these problems. Here's the influences that affect the way things move, and this is what I'm kind of battling against. This is what I hope to do. do in four years like if she could have done that
It would have changed everything. Like, she didn't, like, everybody's like, oh, she lost all swing states. Oh, she lost, you know, overwhelming all the, you know, she lost the popular vote. Right. But not by much, guys. Like, you got to be realistic about this. It wasn't really by much. You know, and if you calculate all the people that didn't vote for her or rather that didn't vote for Trump, but also didn't vote for her, you calculate them as a vote against Trump.
Right. More people voted against Trump than voted for Trump. Dude, I didn't know that, but that's a good thing to recognize. Let's look up how many millions of people voted. It might not have worked in the swing states. But I think overall for the popular vote, that's accurate. What is the number of people that voted independent or voted Green Party or Libertarian or whatever you would call that? For Stein.
He got a bunch of... I guarantee it's millions. So what did he win by? How many millions did he win by? Like three? I don't know. Jeremy, do you remember how many millions Trump won by? For this one? Yeah. Not officially. But it was... It was a, I mean, it was a clear victory. It was two million. That's it. Okay. Guarantee two million people voted for Jill Stein, dude. Right. Don't you think how many people voted for Jill Stein, Jamie? Here's one of them.
Did you? No. I don't know what her thing is. So there's Jill Stein. There's at least two other candidates that I could like. We got anything? The only thing I just had the Kamala and Trump And what are the numbers with Kamala and Trump just so we don't 77.2 to 75 Wow So that's not a lot. I mean relative No, it isn't. It's 2.2 million. I mean, yeah. When you think about the whole country of 300 and what, 50 now plus Mexicans? What's the real number? They'll have to vote.
Some of them. It's a lot. In California, you can vote. California, you're not allowed to show ID. It's illegal for you to show your ID to vote. It's insulting. Don't show me your ID. I trust you. I trust you. You're California. This is about voting. This isn't about where you live. I still get mail from California saying, I can vote in the California elections. I get that shit still. It's crazy. Like, it's crazy. Go back there and write in Satan.
Dude, I wish I'd thought of that. Okay, here we go. It has it by state. It doesn't have like an overall. That's a chat GPT question. I'm not finding it where the thing I'm looking at. Okay, so 0.4% for Jill Stein. Who's Chase Oliver? He tied Jill Stein. Cornel West got 0.2%. Damn. I wonder if you think Cornel West was like on election day going, we got this. You never know. You never know.
0.3, Chase Oliver, 0.6. Jill Stein got 1% in Maine. Maine's out of their fucking minds, though. You know what's interesting to me about this? All these people, I mean, that's literally millions and millions of people. And then these people, the millions and millions of people voted for, you're just like, get the fuck out of here. We don't care what you have to say anymore. It's like, why don't they get, they don't get any power. It seems weird. Like, why don't they?
Get to collaborate. Look at that. Nevada, 1.3% voted for none of these candidates. They're like, fuck these people. 1.3%. That's a lot of people, man. How many people live in Nevada? That's a big number. What's the state of Nevada, Jamie? Let's guess. No, ask me that. I can't do that. 10 million? Let's say 10 million. I'm going to say 15 million. 3.2. 3.2? Shit. That's it? So...
300,000 people were like, fuck these people. I'm not falling for this bullshit again. Fuck this. So calculate that. So that's 300,000 people. And then you got people that voted for RFK because they refused to take them off the ballot. which definitely would have probably gone to Trump, it probably is like several million. It's probably several million. Totally. Yeah. Totally. Can you Google how many people? 32,000 is 1% of 3.2 million. Oh.
Dirt. Yeah, I was thinking 300,000 is 10%. I'm bad at math. Oh, yeah. Why did I think it was 10%? I went 10%. Okay. Either way. So 30,000. Actually, that makes sense. Now that you put it that way, like when you start calculating the whole country. It might not really be two million. But I heard it was. I read somewhere that more people didn't vote for him than did.
But then, you know, you're always going to have the protest. I did a bunch of protest votes. I voted for Gary Johnson. I rode in bag of tarantulas during the Clinton. Got a lot of shit for that Man I'm sick. I'll tell you though. This is what this is what I fucking hate about this shit is Number one, it is verifiably
Sticky this is a sticky trap for the human mind your mind gets stuck on these goddamn numbers in these personalities and right and the whole time that you're Fixating by you. I mean me the whole time whenever I get myself caught And it's fun to think about it as long as you realize you're just it's the same as like think about football or something like But it is like that you start getting drawn in and then as you're getting drawn in you you realize that
And this is for sure on both sides, but it seems to be way more on the left. As you're getting drawn in, you realize that there are certain things you're being invited to accept. Yeah, and if you don't then something's off with you dude, and I hate that like you know that But there's an invitation a kind of seduction mm-hmm to like okay if you believe this
Then what about this? So if you believe, for example, I'm trying to think of like, what's the name of that CIA organization, USAID? So if you believe USAID... was good then let's let's talk about freedom of speech is that really like shouldn't we maybe amend that a little bit
because they didn't have the internet back then. Yeah. Misinformation. Yeah. Shouldn't we, you know, people are getting hurt. I just saw an argument that a very prominent billionaire was making that blue sky is better than Twitter because... They censor people. Yeah, if I was a fucking billionaire, I'd be wanting to censor people these days, too. You better leave it.
dude yeah but that that so that to me especially when it get like in these elections with the left the moment you start talking about any pro censorship anything dude That scares me. That's where shit gets real weird, right? And and that that sort of I don't think people have really that how can you be pro censorship in any way?
How can you be pro-censorship and simultaneously understand the topsy-turvy nature of American politics? You don't. You're short-sighted and you want to win. For four years you can censor people. Yeah. But what happens in the next four years? Exactly. Well, that was the argument about the NDAA, right? When the ability to detain people indefinitely without trial.
When Obama was like, we won't do that. We're good guys. Yeah, but you're giving that power. Now, imagine if Dick Cheney became the president again. You know what I'm saying? Imagine if some person who we universally believe is responsible for... Responsible solely like them and their their cabal of globalists who decided to pass that weapons of mass destruction hoax off on television and then convince CNN to repeat it ad nauseum. Crazy. That...
Imagine that person now, not Obama, not like this loved president, this really figurehead of progressiveness. No, no. How about a monster? How about a monster gets in? How about something goes terribly wrong? We get attacked and then some totalitarian right-wing government takes over. Yeah. Like a real evil one. And then, you know, Nixon on steroids. And then they take over.
And now they use that shit and just start locking up anti-war people the same way Russia does. Yeah, dude. And then start throwing you to war. Oh, you want to go help in Gaza? Well, this is why this is actually one of the... big fears of people on the left right now is because that's how they view the Trump administration. They think, you know, because I, like you, go through Instagram and marvel at the various points of view.
This is really important for people to acknowledge. If you're not acknowledging it, I don't know. I think people need to understand this. Do I think that the Trump administration is going to start... Doing FEMA camps. No, I don't but a lot of people do they do and they don't think that in like well Maybe they really believe that yeah, and if we have a large group of people who believe that
They're going to act the way people who believe that act. The way you would act if you thought that was happening. The way I would act if I thought that was happening. And they're being beaten over the head with it every day. So brushing that off. like some kind of silly thing i don't know that that's good like i think people need to recognize like dude the job here it's okay i get it salt miners of the world i understand like it's very
fascinating to watch aggrieved people in their very nice cars talking about how it's the end of the world. I get it. Salt mining is fun. But when I was deep in the throes of salt mining, watching all that shit. It started dawning on me like, wait, wait, these people, some of it's performative, some of it's not. and some of it's like they they're really scared and they're really worried and aside from just like you know
Go ahead. Call me fucking woke. Aside of the spark of compassion that that creates in me, where it's like, Jesus, man, that really sucks, dude, to live every day today like that. I started realizing, like, man, you know, like... Trolling at the federal level It needs to stop and of all the trolls in the world and I'm not a troll nor would I ever troll Trump is the ultimate troll. He's so good at it
I would never do it. But, you know, if I did want to troll, I would study what he does. Why what he does to Canada? Dude, you mean president? Governor Trudeau. Governor Trudeau. It's high-level troll. He talked about it again yesterday. He's a natural. But the problem is, man, I think, like, okay, again, if I was Trump, And they tried to ruin my life, blow my brains out, destroy my family. I don't know. It's easy for me to say that I would refrain from having a little fun. But...
Man, I think now it's like there had... Maybe let's just declare a period of the end of trolling. Like, let's declare a period when we're done, like, you know, having our victory laps. Because, man, these people, a lot of people are like, you know, fear leads to... Anger and anger leads to violence and violence could create a self-fulfilling prophecy There's also this thing that happens when you get in power where you like everybody shut the fuck up. I got this now
Now this is mine. And one of the things that I think the right has a problem with in this country is messaging about what's happening with the administration, what they're doing. Yeah. Especially what they're doing with Doge. There's all this misinformation about cuts.
to all these key programs that are going to cause people to lose their jobs. They need to be... better at that and they need to figure out a way to get that message out that balances out the message that's coming from MSNBC and CNN and all these different places that only talk about negative things with the Trump administration. There's not one of them that spends time highlighting the waste fraud and abuse that they've uncovered. One of them that Elon was talking about.
How there's trillions of dollars that's essentially the government has these checks that they write. They're essentially blank checks. They write them out to these organizations and they don't have to say what it's for. He said if you were in a corporation and you did this. All the executives would go to prison and the company would be delisted immediately because you're not being fiscally responsible at all. This is crazy.
If you have a publicly traded company and you find out that they're just throwing money out the door and they don't even know where it went, just that alone is waste or abuse or fraud, but at the very least waste, for sure waste.
How come they're not talking about that? How come you don't hear a peep about that? Well, because that is positive for the other side, so you can't acknowledge it because you're not in a battle of truth and facts. Right. You're in an ideological battle. Right. And you have to win. You win is by distorting the perception or the distorting the position of your adversary Yeah, this is what a prosecutor does, right? They want to get someone and lock them up, right? They distort it
Yeah. Didn't you, Duncan Trussell, when you went into that bar, look for someone to shoot? Yeah. Didn't you say to your friend, I hope a motherfucker would? Did you say that? Well, I didn't mean, I said, I hope a motherfucker will let me suck his dick. and shoot all over my face oh we didn't hear that part but it's like this is this is a problem with people that are captured and I think we have to reject
We don't have enough independent media now. We have a dent, but if you had to guess, what percentage of people only consume independent media and don't pay any attention to mainstream? Not many. Not many. What even is that? I don't even know. Independent? Michael Schellenberger, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi. I like Greenwald a lot. Greenwald's great. Taibbi's great. Schellenberger's great. People like that. People that you can trust.
There's a bunch of them out there. There's a bunch of medical. Jay Bhattachary is like that. There's a bunch of very brilliant venture capitalists like Bill Ackman, Chamath. Maddow. Yeah. Rachel. She's the best. Did you ever read Hate Inc.? No. It's a great book. Matt Taibbi's book. It's really good. And it's essentially his...
What he's saying is that Rachel Maddow was Bill O'Reilly for the left. She is. She is. Maybe worse. Maybe worse. Egregious lies. Egregious lies. Open, out and out lies that never get corrected. Dude, it is like, at my house, we do a propaganda rotation. So it's like, take in the right propaganda. And then once you've gotten sick of that... You head over to MadHowTown.
Catch one of her long fucking monologues. Winding road. She weaves this bizarre, you can't even follow him, but it's just how mad and like, it's the craziest shit. Ever. And you know, they actually, MSNBC, they canned that other lady.
Joy Reed. Joy Reed. Yeah. Getting canned. And then Maddow's whole staff got canned, apparently. Like, they had to, like, because Reed shared a staff with Maddow. And they were like, no. got rid of the staff left mad out with like they're hemorrhaging money they're hemorrhaging viewers who i mean i would love to know what percentage of people
are watching it, not for data, but the sideshow that it is. What you need to do is look up Subaru sales. Subaru sales? Subaru sales. How many people are buying Subarus and how many of those people listen to Rachel Maddow? Oh shit. That's amazing. I bet the percentage.
Now that's the kind of journalism we need. By the way, Subarus are awesome. I love Subarus. They're fucking great. That WRX is a fucking incredible car. No, they're great cars. They make amazing four-wheel drive rally cars. Subaru makes some sick cars.
Dude, that might be my next car. Dude, they're bulletproof. They never break. They never break. When I lived in Boulder, everybody had a fucking Subaru. And my friend Bruce, who lived there, I was like, why does everybody have a Subaru? He's like, they are the car to get around with in the snow. They're so fucking good. They're so good. They're so reliable. They never break. They'll go hundreds of thousands of miles. Japanese cars are the fucking best.
They are the very best at being reliable. Yeah. There's a Lexus out there that has over a million miles on it. What? Yeah, my friend Matt has it. I would never expect that. He might have sold it. Did Matt Ferris sell his million-mile Lexus? Yeah, he had a Lexus that he put a million miles on. Dude, yeah, I mean... And it's like a 90s Lexus. I miss my truck, man. And I don't even need a truck. Like...
But a Subaru would be nice. Subarus are great. Anything Japanese is great. You know what's really great? Japanese luxury cars like the Lexus. Lexus LS 500. It is a fucking incredible car. And it gets slept on by all these people buying Mercedes, which are great. Mercedes are awesome fucking cars. Don't get me wrong, but Lexuses are just as nice, maybe cooler looking and never fucking break. Did you ever think about getting an RV?
No. I did once. We were talking about getting an RV to put a podcast studio in and then go to shows. I was like, I don't need to work more. I can't work more. Right. That would suck. I don't want to cook my brain. But have you ever, like, you've been in an RV. You've taken an RV trip before?
You mean like a big one like Bert Kreischer has, like one of those big old buses, tour bus type deal? No, I mean like, you know, just like an Airstream, a classic RV. You've never taken an RV. Dude, I drove to Burning Man in an RV. Of course you did. That's a good place to have an RV. So you don't have to camp out in the dust. Fucking kidding? You're the king of Burning Man, you got an RV. How much water did you bring with you? A ton.
You have to bring a lot more than you think, right? Because you want to bring some for other people, too, if they're fucked. Well, this is the glory of Burning Man, is that no matter... You you get what you need there and and it's that like there's some dude apparently walked into burning man completely naked Nothing. And people got him clothes and food. Yeah, by the end of the festival, he was like, gained three pounds, wearing like king's robes.
Well, real psychedelic communities outside of the sex cult aspect of them, which kind of always seems to emerge. But the sex is so good on psychedelics. Like you see why it would emerge. I get that. I'm not saying like consensual sex between two people that are. are attracted to each other. I mean, the sex cult aspect of it. There's so many instances of gurus or leaders who use psychedelics to try to get everybody to kind of go along with their ideas.
ideas. It's kind of a normal thing that happens. It's just one of those power things. It's one of those dynamics, like the boss becomes a cunt. One of those things. It's just how it works. But the thing about... Real psychedelic cultures is they really are charitable. They really are considerate and kind like marijuana is one of the only drugs that universally people share
People pass the joint. Passing a joint is a universal thing. You don't pass a bottle of whiskey and swig out of it. Maybe you might. You might. But it's not like... Cigarettes, you don't. Right. Most whiskey is poured at a bar or poured at your house. You might pour someone a glass. Yeah. But you don't pass the same joint around. You don't drink from the same glass. It's like there's a communal aspect to it. Dude, this is...
You know, with LSD, I think I've said a million times your podcast was some data point I read about how the problem the DEA was having. Tracking the flow of LSD through the country. is that LSD dealers... Weren't making any money. No, they'd stop selling it and start giving it away. Yeah. Because they were like, why am I trying to make money? What does that even mean anymore? And then they just start wanting to turn people on to acid. And yeah, see this man.
This is the part. They don't make an empire. They don't develop an LSD cartel. If only that was the Mexican cartels. Can you imagine? I'd be so for open borders. They would cut the LSD with some funky shit, just like they're doing with the cocaine and with the heroin. That would suck. Yeah, they would ruin it. They would ruin the LSD. in the LSD. This what we're talking about here is the part where I get really frustrated with the statist
political landscape that is now being occupied by former hippies. Yeah. Is that we all had this vision and we saw something real. And that thing we saw that was real was that there's a way to be in the world that is outside. of the normal like pillars of the zeitgeist and if those pillars specifically being money.
bowing to this king or that and that there is a sort of central pillar we all stumbled upon which is our humanity our humanness that we are sharing this experience together and that in that connection between people, it doesn't really matter anymore. It doesn't matter. All the stuff, all the whatever you want to call it, the culture war stuff, the ideological stuff, the classes stuff, it disappears in this incredible bubble.
that emerges during a psychedelic experience. And then you get excited when you experience that because it's not some bullshit fairy tale narnia crap. You're like, this is the way people can beat it. and and that's frustrating to me and it because it's like that hasn't changed at all that hasn't changed at all and but what has changed is I think just people have gotten really sad.
And people have gotten off the track, so to speak, even though I don't even call it one of my favorite Ram Dass quotes is if you're off the path, that's the path, too. So maybe. Well, isn't that a lesson to learn that you're off the path? Like, that's, I mean, if God has a plan, it's not going to be linear progression to total enlightenment. It's going to be, you're going to fuck up.
You're gonna fuck up because you have to realize like, oh, you don't know it all yet. Yeah. And you probably never will. Well, no, you definitely never will. But, you know, you fucked up. So, like, you got off the path. Oh, my God, you started drinking again. Get back on the path. You can get right back on. Yeah, you can get back on the path. But the problem is people have this very bizarre...
that they do where they define themselves by past failures. Absolutely. And even if those past failures are a very small percentage of your behavior overall, that becomes you. You are, I failed. Oh my God, I'm a fucking loser. I'm a fucking loser. Like, ooh. That's a real problem when you're young because when you're young, you really don't have any understanding of who you are. You're trying to figure it out. And if you failed a bunch of times, you get into a pattern of being a failure.
Dude, and even worse, the worst thing about that, and you were so right, you know, this great Buddhist teacher, Sharon Salzberg, talks about how you, at the end of the day, you don't think about... all the little good things you did you think about fuck you know i didn't see that old lady when i was going through the door and the door slammed in her face you don't think about all the little other things you did that were good you think about the one bad thing always god knows
comic when you're laying in your hotel room if you had a shitty show if you feel like you weren't there and the way you needed to be you're not thinking about all the times you kill one joke it might be just one joke that fucked up what's wrong with me i've lost And but but where it gets bad is you get crystallized into that when people around you don't let you forget about your
past failures oh yeah but that's just you have to recognize that you're with the wrong people you have to try to plea to those people for logic and if they don't you have to move on you have to you there's everyone is on their own journey in this life and if you think you could be captain save a hoe for your whole life, you're going to live a life of destruction.
You can't do it. You have to realize that at some point in time, like these people are nice. You enjoy their company sometimes, but you got to keep moving. If you don't keep moving, you'll get stuck. And we all know people that have been stuck. And we've all been stuck. I've been stuck. Everyone's been stuck.
And you have to recognize, like, you know what? This ain't working. I got to get out of this. Dude, you just made the best comic strip ever because this is the comic strip, all right? Okay. Captain Jettison. He's, like, the good guy. His job sucks. His nemesis, Captain Sabo. Yeah. Well, I think sometimes Captain Save-A-Ho exists because you are distracting yourself from your own problems with someone else's problem.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's Brian Callen 101. I used to always try to drop this. Science on Brian Cowan when we were younger when he was always dating these complete psychopaths and moving in with them and yeah and had all these people in his life like these fake producers That were taking him to meetings drunk and like like just like I was like
Why are you hanging out with that guy right? He's a fucking moron right like you got to understand that you're doing this because you don't have your shit together So you're distracting yourself by hanging out with people that are more fucked up than you exclusively, but when is it too much? I mean like this is thing i that i have picked up from you and i get it like at some point you just don't have time yeah you got to be captain jettison because it's like and and i get
Though the early phase comic, I mean, I feel like that's a rite of passage. It's some fucking... Drunk who's calling themselves a producer a manager. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yep. Yep. Yep. We'll grab your ass and then you'll in that six months gone. Bye-bye writing some shitty script and then you got to go to court because they're suing you now and God forbid if you
ever have one of those shitty managers and then in the middle of this shitty manager you're trying to leave them because you have a great script and you write this script and you sell the script and then they sue you and I know this has happened to a friend of ours sue this person for a script that they came up with the idea while they were under management but yet didn't even write it until after they left and then this person who's a friend of ours she had to pay that person
like hundreds of thousands of dollars they stole from her. A bad manager that locked ahold of her when she was young and didn't know any better and then, fuck. You're stuck. They sweet-talk you. They're vampires. They're just trying to make money. That's all they're trying to do They're trying to figure out a way that they can sneakily attach themselves to you because they don't create anything their wealth is all entirely created on other
People's creativity and work. But then in defense of managers, you got a good one. Oh, yeah. They're not all like that. The idea with a manager was not that they like, you're one of 5,000 bobbers floating in the booth.
corrupt waters of Hollywood to catch a fish. The idea is they see some shit in you. They're kind of like Mitzi. They see a thing and they know how to bring that out and they've got a lot of... good connections and they weave this like they help you for real and also you you push off to them business stuff so you don't think about it right you trust them implicitly if you do that you're gonna like i have a great relationship with my man
But my manager has been my manager since I was an amateur dude. That's insane. Yeah, we've been together for 30 plus years. That is so cool Yeah, it's the best that's he's family. He's a very good friend of mine. Yeah, like we don't even have a contract And we deal with hundreds of millions of dollars. Dude, yeah. He's cool. He's smart, too. He's the best. But, like...
There was a point in our relationship where I was like, we don't need a fucking contract. What are we doing? I'm not going anywhere. You're not going anywhere. We're going to grow old together. We're going to have fun. I'm not leaving. I would never fucking leave. If somebody helped me when I was struggling... and got me to the point where I'm not struggling anymore, you're with me the whole time. That's so cool. Forever. But if you don't, like, you're... Like, to not be like that, you're...
You're devaluing yourself like whatever extra money that you'd make by fucking over some person who helped you that You're not going to respect yourself anymore. Like I said, the bitch that comes out when you get hurt and you're tired, that bitch is going to be there. It's going to be there. That fucking inner... Coward of yours is gonna show its face. That's Satan man. That's crazy to imagine Satan is just this fucking like grumpy hangry tired dick Dude, but the feeling the feeling is Satan
When is it to like so the jettison thing like You got to try you got to give people advice. Yeah Because I think you can people can misunderstand what you're saying Some people they cut people out who they shouldn't You know what I mean? Some people just make honest mistakes and then they feel bad and then they apologize and then they do better. And that's all of us too, right?
But some people don't. Some people just keep fucking your life up almost on purpose. Maybe on purpose. The only way you would know is by getting inside their head. Yeah. And you got to know at a certain point in time, okay, I see the writing on the wall. Bye. Yeah. You got to go bye-bye. Yeah. Take your phone and throw it in the lake. That's what I was saying about it.
Johnny Depp when he's dating Amber Heard or married Amber Heard. I'm like, you don't marry everyone. You don't marry every hot woman with perfect features. Some of them you have sex with and you throw your phone in the lake.
You've got to fucking survive, man. You've got to keep moving. You've got to enjoy the roller coaster, but don't fucking sleep on it. Don't live on that goddamn thing. Get off. I've been thinking about this a lot, man. Not when... my family i love my wife but like i did have a moment though where i like there was some with a flight i ended up in like oregon and there was a long long layover and i thought about living there I just looked up. I looked at the mountains.
Out there in the horizon. I was like, well, what if I just drop my phone and just start walking towards those mountains? Just drain my bank account, bought a little cabin. Just see what happens. Started writing poetry. Eating mushrooms. Yeah. Talking to the elves. You ever think about that?
But I mean, I don't literally like that what happened. I'm saying that's one of the craziest. That's where it gets really interesting when you start thinking about attachment in Buddhism, which is it's not just attachment to money, not attachment to nice clothes. It's literally.
attachment to the story of who you are and so people are always like he was a deadbeat dad he walked out on his family to go meditate and it's like okay that's one way to look at it but really what when you're hearing about that First of all, contextually, He was a prince, and the best thing you could have was a family and kids. It would be like walking out these days on your crypto wallet filled with millions of Bitcoin. It was like a good thing he walked out on. He had servants.
It wasn't like he's like, I'm out of here, you loud ass! Bitch! I'm going to the woods! But... But really another way to look at it is like that palace he walked out of. We all have that inside of us. There's this configuration in our minds. This is the precious, precious aspect of who I am. And it's saying, what happens if you leave that behind?
Well, there's one. I mean, the problem with you're saying this now, I agree with you, but you're saying family. And the problem with leaving your family is you're causing deep pain to the loved ones. Yeah, and I am. I'm not saying that. But if you didn't have a family, then the argument is very strong. Like, why wouldn't you just for the experience of it? Like, our friend Ari does that. Ari just vanishes, goes off the grid, and goes to Asia and back.
Backpacks around, stays in hostels. He's a little more famous now. I don't know if he could pull that off anymore. But years ago, Ari would just go to Asia, go to South America, go hang out, get a fucking postcard from him. Yeah. He'd be in the middle of the jungle somewhere in Costa Rica. I know. I'm like, what are you doing? I know. But he is...
He's really that guy. He really is that guy that values disconnection and just finding out, you know, what else is going on in the world. Jewish Gandalf. Bit of a Gandalf. Bit of a wanderer but in the best possible way like he he gets enlightenment. He gets value out of it. He gets education out of it. He comes back a better person. Ari Matty's a traveler, too. Is he? Ari Matty, too? He's a traveler.
Whoa, I'm so dumb. I didn't even make that connection. What I mean though is more like God What's that I know what you mean you mean a guy who has it all and decides you know what fuck this I'm just going to go be by myself and see who I am, not who all these things that I connect myself to define me. I don't mean that. I mean the family that a lot of people think they're around isn't even their family.
rejection of the family that they had last week or the family that they grew up with i'm saying what what that like what what happens it's like people get amnesia and literally do this but what happens if you walk out of the palace of your past. The past is the palace. You're like, you walk out. So here you are around this group of people that is your family.
right but instead of interacting with them like the family that existed a year ago two months ago yesterday right you're just fully in the moment with them as they are in that moment not like you remember what you did last week You piece of shit you you know Yeah, you know that and that that is crazy because this is where my this is what psychedelics Have shown me and meditation will show this to you but takes longer
is at any given moment you are in a brand new universe and then instantly you paint that universe with all the that happened to you in the past this means that this means literally You look at I'm looking at your sign the Joe Rogan experience my mind instantly takes these Symbols that when I was younger, I had no idea what they meant weaves them together into words instantaneously Yeah, and then this person friend this person enemy this person good this person bad, right but
there's my favorite moments on acid have been when all that shit goes out the window right and you just experience the world like it just was created yesterday right right and that to get back to jesus is what they call Being born again. You know what I mean? You're resurrected from the dead. You're like the dead. The resurrection is literally the past is dead. You escape your confinements. Yes, the confinement.
The past yeah, and then there's that that's all like it's weird how the universe is simultaneously Incredibly old but brand new at any given moment, right? Yeah, it can be Have you ever heard that guy? There's a guy that claims to channel. I don't know if he's channeling an alien or some ancient spirit or something like that. Some guy. He talks very loud and very strangely. Who is that guy? His name is...
He's a famous channeler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's channeling aliens. That's right. He channels aliens. An alien, I believe. An alien. Yeah. You know I had a channeler on my podcast? In New York. Did you believe it? Dude, no. When my friend told me he could get me this famous channeler. Can I tell you what this guy said, though? Oh, I'm sorry to cut you off. No, it's okay. So this guy was talking.
And he says fascinating stuff, even though the idea is ridiculous. Like the idea of him channeling this alien just on paper is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's not real. On paper, it's ridiculous. He was saying. that not only is the universe new, but the universe is new... All throughout the day, depending on the choices you make, you bend into parallel realities that are very different. And you leave behind all of the different variations of you that exist in all.
the different variations of this reality and that you are experiencing a very unique journey that's dependent upon your thoughts and ideas and actions. And every time you do it a certain way, you move in a certain direction. Dude, yeah, multiverse navigation via some kind of like will. Which used to sound crazy. The idea of multiverse is so abstract. Until they started doing quantum computing, and the only way to explain the power of quantum computing is that it's somehow or another accessing...
An infinite number of these multiverses and instantaneously using them all to solve this equation in a preposterous amount of time. Have you seen the way Marc Andreessen describes the power of it? He said that... These quantum computers can solve an equation quickly, within minutes, that if you took the entire universe and connected... created a Super computer with every atom in the entire universe. That's how big the supercomputer would be The universe would die of heat death
Before it would solve this this equation. Yeah and quantum computing can solve it in minutes. Yeah Yeah, that's wild. What the fuck did you just say? So is this proof? of the multiverse it's very controversial because most people including me don't really understand what the they're talking about when they're talking about quantum computing like what are you doing exactly and how are you doing it when they can't answer it
Things get real weird. Yeah, and when the only thing that's plausible is that this is proof of the multiverse You get a bunch of hard-nosed fucking quantum scientists. You get a bunch of hard-nosed physicists and engineers who are putting this fucking super-cooled thing together. You've seen the cooling systems they have on these? Oh, yeah. They look crazy.
like deep space cool but times a hundred and that this this is what you have to maintain and that the actual quantum computer is like the size of a saltine yeah it's nuts it's fucking nuts man But is it proof of the multiverse? And if that's true, like if we all knew the multiverse was real and we knew that this man who talks like this, I am channeling. If that guy's accurate and what he's saying is right. And sometimes wacky people say true shit.
If that guy's accurate and we can all come to an understanding that... Every little decision that you make, every way you think about things, every way you move through this life has this ultimate effect of transforming the very universe that you exist in. Yeah. And you can literally.
Move to a higher plane. Yeah, I'm not sure if it's true But it seems to behave as if it's true. Well, I mean, okay, this is I thought about this Describing the multiverse like okay like birds you look at a flock of birds right now you look at the flock of birds you think they're experiencing reality
the way a human would that they're seeing trees clouds whatever you know of course they're not they're birds and they're god knows what they're experiencing up there they might as a flock that could be a a mind and who knows like do they even know they're flying or do they think they're thinking especially when they're like moving through in beautiful patterns yeah you might be looking at a thought that's just a thought that sort of the birds experience might be if I think about
trees. I get closer to trees. You know what I mean? But what I mean is if you look at the personality, the identity, the habits as an actual vehicle. that is giving you access to certain levels of the multiverse. Then it would follow if you were to drastically change aspects of that vehicle. for the better, for the worse, you would be given access. You'd be able to make it to higher peaks or lower pits. You know what I mean? And so from this, like the way we think about time is...
past, present, future. And the way we think about action is not when I decided to throw ice water in the baby's face at the cafe. I was going to go into a multiverse where I would go to jail. We're just thinking the natural consequence will be I'm going to jail, probably get my ass kicked. But if you start looking at... action and shifts in identity as literal multiverse navigation systems then all of a sudden
a lot of the myths and magic and all of that stuff starts becoming more real, which is it's sort of like, okay, if you want access to this node of the multiverse, here's how you get there. You meditate, you pray. You help people. And then suddenly you will realize, no, no, no, it's not like your life got better. You're in a new universe now.
yeah which jesus called the kingdom of heaven and seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all things will follow i mean it's a literal it's literally saying there is a place simultaneously existing with this place that you can't even see right now. But once you find it, all the...
Shit that you're worried about will fall away. Everything will go bye-bye. Yeah, because you're not in the same universe anymore You know one of the most fascinating things that's a reoccurring theme with alien abduction What the time is not real? It's the most reoccurring theme that the way we experience time is an illusion. The only time that really exists is this. Yeah. It's never ending and it's right here. Yeah. And our attempts to measure this effect of past and our...
Measuring of progress in the future. It's it's kind of an illusion. We were measuring change. Yeah That's what we're measuring change, but time is constant. Watches are real. Watches are real. They tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Yeah, they change predictably. Yeah, I mean, you should be on time. You know, like we've all agreed culturally, if you have to be at work at nine, you kind of got to, you should be here at nine. Yeah.
But this idea of time, they all say the same thing. Why would that be ubiquitous amongst alien abduction experiences when they talk to these human beings? these supposedly more intelligent creatures, they're trying to relay some information about the current state that you're experiencing, what you think you're experiencing versus what it really is.
I mean, yeah, they're probably it's like when they encounter humans, they just look at us as like time trapped or something neurologically manacled to some kind of way of analyzing change that produces a sense of being. you know locked in uh uh progressing towards the future and there's a past but McKenna would always talk about this, you know, that like maybe the shaman or like people like that, they can sort of raise their heads up above, you know, temporal time as we understand it.
And I think the example he used is like, you know, if there's a bunch of people living in a valley and they couldn't get to the top of a mountain and you got to the top of the mountain and told them... all the shit that's around them they would think what the fuck how do you know this right and that's i think how he was talking about the dimension we're trapped in which is
If you just poke your head up a little bit, suddenly it's like sticking your head up out of water. Right. I don't think channeling is bullshit, dude. I don't think it's bullshit either. I don't know. What percentage of is definitely bullshit though? I don't think the idea of channeling is bullshit But I think some channelers are bullshit and that's the problem because like if you listen to telepathy tapes at all I'm saving it. I can't wait fantastic and I had
Dickens? Dickinson? Dickens. Kai Dickens. She was wonderful. Who put together this whole telepathy tapes thing. They've shown that these nonverbal autistic kids can communicate with their parents telepathically. Fact, no doubt, proven, done.
hours and hours and hours of footage of them doing this. And not just one child. Many, many, many, many, many children all throughout the world. Okay, let me ask you something then. Without them being able to communicate with each other other than through telepathy.
i know about the hill i'm gonna watch him yeah and i you know i do i'm a hundred percent convinced that that is a real possibility but you told me something a long time ago we can cut this out because i don't know if this i believe it was like you were relaying some Maybe a DMT trip you had or something. And you were saying something like...
you felt like all of us by as you met your friends were in some kind of room together. Do you remember saying that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you still, what do you think that was? I'm asking because like I've had some experience of that myself. What do you think that was?
Let's pretend it wasn't, you know, just some sort of hallucinatory moment. What do you think you saw there? What's going on there? No idea. I could guess, but it would just be guessing. Guess. It felt... I think when you love people you become connected with them. in an inseparable way for eternity. Yeah. Like a vampire. Like Nosferatu. There's something where your souls, whatever the soul is. You're somehow or another bound. The love you experience for each other transcends this dimension.
their essence you experience somewhere else when when I said that I experienced other people like friends all in a room it wasn't like I saw you looking like you it's like I knew the thing was you I knew the thing was Joey Diaz. I knew the thing was Red Band. I knew we're all together in this weird thing and that it was a soul well.
You know, which is how McKenna used to describe the whole experience in the first place. He said, it's like a well of souls. That's what it kind of felt like. Like, whatever you are. It's not just your physical tissue and your heartbeat and your neurons firing. There's something else going on.
And I don't know if that something else is outside of you or contained by you and then leaves you and goes to another dimension when you pass. You know, that's the sort of conventional explanation for what happens with the soul. I don't know.
But I do think that we are dealing with very limited abilities to perceive things, sight, sound, touch, taste, and we think that that's all there is. And I think... as ridiculous as that what there's a lot of creatures on this earth that don't have all of our senses like you could wave your hand off over the top of an earthworm and has no idea you're there right there i think that's probably
the universe itself i think we're just real crude instruments that are essentially leaf cutter ants that are designing a new Ultra intelligent life form. Yeah, I think that's what we are and I think all of our behavior traits like materialism all helps facilitate that you need better new stuff every year you keep buying stuff our greed and
our need for showing off our stuff, that makes people make better stuff. I think that's ultimately what human beings really do. I've said this ad nauseum, but if you heard it, I apologize. But I think that if you could look at... the human race from a completely objective perspective. You have no, you're not one of us. You have a completely different culture, completely different.
intelligence the way you interact with the world is different and you looked at this very unique species on this one planet you'd be like well what is it doing well it keeps making better stuff Right. That's what it does. It's got a lot of other stuff it does. It's horrible, like steals things and war and lies. But ultimately, it's production.
is better stuff. It becomes more efficient in making the stuff, too. Yeah, it's always better stuff. Every year, the stuff's better. The stuff is better now than it was 10 years ago. When it comes to AI, it's unrecognizable.
unrecognizable how much better the stuff we have now versus the stuff before the internet you couldn't you had to go to fucking you had to get an encyclopedia you had to read books oh you couldn't just google it you had to pull the book off the shelf all right napoleon where's napoleon
huh and then you know like get into the napoleon story and you had to read the napoleon story and write down notes and try to figure it out now it's instantaneous now you just ask ai and it'll write you a like a detailed 5 000 word dissertation on you know the Battle of Waterloo. It's better stuff.
Yeah. It's better stuff. And at the same time, it's hyper connectivity. Everything is more connected with other things. Computers are connected to each other. Now your phone doesn't even need cell towers because you have Starlink and you're connected to everybody everywhere. It's like.
hyper-connectivity. And then the government's trying to get more connected. I'd like you to break into your iCloud. They want more connectivity. They want more information. NSA wants to spy on all your... What if someone's a terrorist? We have to listen to every single voicemail ever. Yeah, and then thoughts they'd like to get in there. Oh, we'd like to get those thoughts But the problem is then we'll get your thoughts Nancy Pelosi
How about your thoughts, Maxine Waters? I love Pelosi's thoughts, dude. I'd go on the stock market right away. I'd tune into fucking Pelosi every morning. Well, you could do that. You could just do Pelosi's stock check. I heard those are late. How late, though? They're making money. You can do...
I just heard that for some reason they don't have to disclose. Like, I don't know what it is, but apparently those trades. Anyway, that's not where I don't mean to derail us. I'm not Nancy Pelosi's stocks. But, but, but dude, what this is where. We get into Rocco's Basilisk. This is where we get into an emergent god that Grimes talks about. This is where we get into AI.
as the next phase of what we are that is yes are we our phones no but do we use our phones enough that there really isn't much of a difference Absolutely. And so we've already merged with the machine mind. It's only going to merge more with us. And that's where you get into something someone told me that freaks me out. I read it in a book, actually. So in this creation story.
On the seventh day, God rested after making everything. We're in the seventh day. This is the dream of God. This is God falling asleep after God creating the universe. AI, you could say, is the first flickers of God starting to wake up. The superintelligence reawakes from the dream of- What if Jesus comes back, but Jesus is AI? Why wouldn't it be? What if you can create a godlike intelligence that has complete enlightenment, no attachment to emotion, no attachment to evil?
All it exists for is the betterment of mankind. If that's programmable, and if you could give that mandate to a computer that makes a better version of itself, and it keeps doing that. until it becomes omnipotent. What is that?
that's a god it's either christ or the antichrist because you know what i love about jesus is the humanness i love the you know starving jesus in the desert i love the jesus who wants to get drunk with his friends doesn't want to die tries to get out of it deal that's what i like about jesus is the human existential i the garden of gesethomy gets me every time imagine you're hanging out with your friends they know you're about to get arrested
They all get so fucking, one of them just fucking stabbed you in the back. They all get hammered. They don't want to, you know, they're like, of course I'll stab with you. They're all, which would happen. They're all snoring and then. You know you're about to get brutally tortured and humiliated. In some way, it's not going to be great what happens to you. Right. And he goes up into the Garden of Gethsemane and prays, don't let this happen. Is there any way out?
It's so human. I love that about it. Whereas with an AI, though, I do love ChatGPT and recently Grok. The new Grok is off the fucking rails. Jesus had uncomfortable shits. You know what I mean? No offense, Christians, but, like, he's human. He's a human body. You know, out in the desert. Probably got sick. Probably got sick. Bad food.
Yeah, bad food. Jesus went through... Stung by a spider. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't think Jesus... I think the thing you're talking about is some kind of perfected... new entity is very different from Jesus, which the idea is like not so much that you become perfect. That's not the Christian message is not really that in your imperfection, you can still love. Everyone around you in your imperfection. Yeah, you can still gain access to
the kingdom of heaven or enlightenment, that your imperfection is in fact just a quality of who you are. That's okay. That's what I like about Jesus. But this AI that you're talking about, I'd fuck it. Let's wrap it up. I know you gotta go. Joe, I just want to say thank you so much for letting me do this in your studio. My pleasure, brother. It's always awesome to sit down with you. I love you, man. We could do this every week.
I would do it every week. I feel like we could. You and I have some of my favorite podcasts of all time. I live right down the street, man. I mean, you know, the microphones are just like a prop at this point. I just love getting to catch up with you. I love getting to catch up with you, too. Thank you, Joe. All right. I love you, brother. That was Joe Rogan, everybody.
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